Hormones in the food, endocrine blockers in the products, and an unchecked mental illness epidemic. Debauchery is normal, perversion is cool, and up is down. This happens at the end stages of all empires. Rome, Wiemar, etc. It's by design. Parents are getting there kids taken away from them for living off the grid, yet parents who allow their mentally ill child "pick their gender" are celebrated. This country is too far gone... I honestly don't want to be a part of it. Maybe I'll check out to Russia.

Girls are not born to wear dresses or boys born to wear pants, so really what is the big deal with breaking down the wall between the binary gender construct? Many societies have for milenias known of third-genders or third-sexes, of humans who do not fall neatly in woman or man rolls or looks.

It's honestly fine.

Well honestly from my point of view, even with all the time you've taken for your opening statement, it's no different an argument to me than how certain people argued that 'gay marriage' was going to literally end the world.

It's called progress... More different type of people are being accepted as actual humans. That's all you are seeing.

And even if many millennials are suddenly toying with gender and mixing traditionally female and male fashions even if they aren't actually trans, what's the big deal?

I also just kind of find it bewildering when any woman argues for traditional gender roles, like... do you know what you are asking for?

traditional gender roles

women were happier when the gender roles were more clearly defined...yes, I mean the 1950s. Women today have substance abuse and depression issues in record numbers. For that matter, men too.

Who would have thought not being stressed out at a job made you less stressed.

Your tin foil hat is a lil tight, huh?

Do you have source for this? This is a very grand statement to make about half of Americas pop at the time.

So eager to request someone else does your googling on this site. You can find it if aren't mentally ill

The burden of proof is on them, not me. Passive aggressively attacking me isn't helping your case. I'm trying to have a discussion. You just sound like a tumblrite, telling me to educate myself. Isn't that what this sub is for- educating others???

And this isn't a debate or legal proceeding. There is no burden of truth. It's an Internet forum. What's great is you can see claims on here that you doubt and research them yourself-- unless you're a lazy whiner more concerned with looking smart than expanding your knowledge.

Kk

You're not engaging in discussion whatsoever in that comment. You're asking someone else to google something for you, which would be fine but people don't even try first. Now you're complaining about it instead of looking it up and continuing in the discussion you claim to want

Yeah no one was depressed or drank too much in the 50s LOL

No one? Yes, because that's what I said. Learn to read.

traditional gender roles

people were happier, and made do with less. Today's Western women are very man-like.

let's meet up for some cawfee! Bonus: I like polka dots AND polka music.

Come to Oahu, I'll show you a great time. I know how to treat a lady.

people were happier

And that's why there was a huge movement to change it, obviously.

The Vietnam War, cultural Marxism, radical feminism, and marijuana glorification has done great damage to our culture. Not all 'change' is positive.

Actually if you really research feminism, you'd be surprised in who was involved in the promotion of certain feminism concepts, like women working outside the home.

I know what you are talking about but no thank you. To me it does not matter what kind of elites profitted off of women's suffrage. Sorry but women still want to be free and still fight to be treated equal to men. Under capitalism the elite always profit. Doesn't mean there isn't work to do or real progress to be made.

I actually do miss and long for traditional gender roles; however, if this is 'progress' then here we are.

Lol what do you miss about not having a choice though? You are free to be a housewife if you wish to have that life, you are also free to make other choices too. Wouldn't you want that if you ever have girl children?

What exactly do you miss about traditional gender roles that you can not have today?

But when you break them down what is masculinity and what is femininity? Strength vs empathy? Harshness vs softness? What of a man who is sensitive and quiet? What of a woman who is loud and strong?

There is nothing wrong with any trait that you or i would label feminine or masculine, what is wrong is to say 'this' isn't for men or 'that' isn't for women. It makes individuals feel as though they are wrong and unnatural when every individual is different.

If it weren't for gender roles, couldn't we all just be ourselves much easier? Why do we have to force pink and dolls onto girls and blue and trucks onto boys? Is that truly innate? Maybe for some but I do wonder what would happen if we treated all babies the same.

There was a huge push to get both men and women working. In the past, there could be one income, and a whole family would be fine. It turned into two people working full time, and that even does not a support a family very well anymore.

It is true that we've had a lot of downfalls but this is not so much due to women entering the workforce as it is due to women's work being UNDERVALUED. Women are still paid less for the same work as men. Black people are paid less for the same work as white people. Disabled people are paid less for the same work as able-bodied ppl. etc

We have to value ppl equally. There are many downfalls to capitalism and the system we live in but allowing individuals more freedoms in choice, to decide how to live or decide how to be themselves, i don't believe that's the problem.

Lol a shill for what? I just have nothing else to do right now while I'm visiting my folks for Easter : }

Thanks for replying so quickly too... are you a shill??? : P

edit: btw though i only commented for the last 40 minutes while you originally posted this a few hours ago. I'm not that weird...

How would i have a text already made to a specific comment you just made? I am just speaking my mind. Maybe you are being a tiny bit overly paranoid. I'm just a person who happened to be interested in conversing with you.

I'm loving this honestly. What shill-like qualities do I have?

Sorry I happen to have an opinion and yes tend to support trans people.

What is my agenda though?

I am thankful you are engaging me, but troubled you are so weary of me.

We have a pretty different view of what's promoted on this site. I definitely don't see this site promoting third-wave feminism, and whether I am one or not I am actually not sure, but yes I can definitely say I am a feminist at least.

I think this has been good too! : ) thanks.

What happens when we're no longer free to be housewives though, huh? What happens when women are looked down upon for being submissive? What happens when society begins to push women into providing for the family equally with the man? What happens to the children when the mother can no longer stay with them? What happens to the children when they're forced into "daycares" or "public schools" at a young age, spending more time either asleep or away from their parents and family than they spend awake with their family? What happens to the children when they're distanced from their family and instead raised by strangers that don't genuinely love and care for them? Where's the freedom in that?

What happens when we're no longer free to be housewives though, huh?

You aren't?

women's suffrage

let them suffer!

Mostly yes, but bovine hormones are not the same as human hormones.

We have no idea what hormones and antibiotics are going into factory farm animals. It doesn't affect me, because I don't shop at a grocery store. I get my meat from hunting, and eat very little of which I do not grow myself.

Comments like this are the reason i like you, Jesus =)

Cheers :)

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Nice job reposting it. I voted it up. Don't let the haters silence you, speak your truth and we will all be better off for it. Good on you

Sorry to jump in on this, but I would love to read it as well if it is as well written and thought out as this post.

Those trolls exist in every community not just /r/conspiracy.

don't forget that taking testosterone to counter balance this effect is against the rules of most sports and illegal ie: steroids.

Good post. Here's my two cents.

As a "normal" American boy raised on movies like American Pie and Old School, I definitely came to view sex as a recreational/social activity. To me, sex was just a fun activity that felt really good. Given the state of modern birth control, I didn't see any reason not to have lots of sex. People who dated for months before "going all the way" seemed old-fashioned. I didn't get it.

However, mid-way through college my views started to change. I began to notice that sex was being used for odd purposes. There were multiple false-rape accusations on campus, and certain gay kids would say that any straight behavior was "heteronormative and oppressive."

Furthermore, I started to tire of the idea that "going out and hooking up with hot chicks" is this super-cool thing for all young people to do. It's not that I consider hooking up morally wrong or anything, it's just...kind of an illusion in some ways. Like, how many random hook ups happen without alcohol? And do they really live up to the hype - like Rock Stars sing about?

Perhaps I sound a little "square" now, but it is weird to me that two hundred years of sexual mores just changed on a dime in the 60s. Of course there has always been lots of sex behind the scenes, but I don't think it was ever institutionalized like it is now with open acceptance of porn, sex Ed, etc.

The blogger Roosh also made a really good point, which very much changed my thinking. He notes that 'liberal' stances on sex and the social issues all share one thing in common: they either directly or indirectly limit human reproduction. He writes of each liberal position:

"-Abortion is a bodily “choice,” not human murder. Result: it decreases population.

-Birth control is a “choice” that allows women to better practice consumer lifestyles. Result: it decreases population.

-Promotion of sterile human relationships in the form of homosexuality and transsexuality can’t possibly result in the creation of life. Result: it decreases population, reproduction, and traditional family formation.

He then links to a chart showing that birth rates in the Western world have been steadily declining since WW2. Given the elite's obsession with population control (this could be good or bad, I'm not entirely sure), this all seems to make a lot of sense.

Basically, I think the things we're taught about sex are more myth than reality. Speaking as a guy, there's a lot of mythology around being The Man who gets all the girls, but it just never really turns out like the movies.

The reason why many modernized countries go toward 2 children per couple is that they embraced a new economic model. In the old one, more children meant more hands to work the family land or fulfill roles in the tribe.

In the modern world time is exchanged for money, so there is a limited amount of time and money available to raise children. Raising a child takes time and that reduces income potential and vice versa. So, people correctly choose to have fewer kids to be able to have enough time and money to support them.

It just makes me wonder about Japan. Their cultural views toward sex and dating are very strange, and they have a very very low birth rate.

I don't see population control as a negative thing. This planet has a carrying capacity and finite resources. Automation is making human labor obsolete with every passing year. The human population has become unsustainable.

Either we limit the birth rate, or all of us die.

The planet has more than enough space and more than enough resources to sustain life. The planet is not a giant candy machine that will eventually run out of candy. You plant a potato and it grows. You breed a new chick and it grows. This planet gives us everything we need.

Get rid of all skyscrapers and multi-apartment buildings, distribute the entire population trough respectable, livable and free space each with their own house, and you'll still have more than half of the world untouched by human culture.

However under THIS CURRENT system we're living in? It is too populated indeed. It's all a matter of perspective.

Yeah but most of us don't want our kids to just be able to live and eat. Look at unemployment rates for young people. Do you really think that it will get better in twenty years? Lower population maybe be a good thing

It's not a good thing under this current system, but I really don't think we need more jobs, we need a shift in consciousness and that are the young people. Putting young people into jobs will not make it any better any sooner.

Get rid of all skyscrapers and multi-apartment buildings, distribute the entire population trough respectable, livable and free space each with their own house, and you'll still have more than half of the world untouched by human culture.

But this is still a reduction to quality of life. And for what, to protect people who literally don't exist yet?

Then they should be open about it instead of potentially doing all this creepy evil manipulative shit behind the scenes.

and it is something that makes me uncomfortable to talk about with most people for fear of being labeled a bigot, which I am not.

This right here is what is wrong with our society; the fact that people are deathly afraid to be thought of as 'a bigot' or 'racist' just mystifies me. It is the modern equivalent of people being put in the stocks in the center of town because they saw a woman's ankle or whatever. Just people being superstitious and irrational, like they always have. History will not be kind to political correctness.

Yes I honestly am not even saying anything negative about people who identify differently

Well so what if you did? It doesn't make you a bad person. You are well within your rights to think and feel however you want, no matter what anyone else thinks.

Artificial estrogens in the environment.

My guess is that it was "The Disappearing Male" which was available for free on youtube until they recently pulled it down.

it's on vimeo

https://vimeo.com/15346778

SJW censorship.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-disappearing-male/

low quality but viewable

That kind of stuff usually doesn't last very long on youtube these days, especially for a topic as 'off limits' as this one.

cultural marxism.

the pussification of america with bruce jenner as the posterchild.

I question it, but people really do get super squirrelly if you talk about it. I got into an argument with a girl in my class who proudly declared "Gender is a social contsruct". Is it, really? Or did an article on huffpo tell you that?

It's ridiculous - gender is not a social construct at all. It's a biological fact. Sure, your brain might identify as the 'wrong gender', but until you undergo reassignment surgery and take a hell of a lot of hormones, you still belong to your biological gender.

I once had a very angry Redditor shout-comment at me a lot for 'misgendering' once when I pointed that out. I mean no offense - just pointing out that you can't just choose which gender you belong to unless you actually undergo proper reassignment.

I would argue that even with "realignment" surgery/hormone therapy, you still can't really change your gender. Men will never have babies, etc. And I don't mean to sound hateful when I say it, it's just a fact lol. I have no problem with people living the way they want but I refuse to accept any of it as natural lol

I like your post and points, but I have to say just because a 5 year old says something once doesn't mean that preference is locked in forever

Because it's their opinion about themselves, which they would know better than others.

Also realize that gender identity doesn't have anything to do with sexual identity. Someone can decide they feel like they should be the opposite gender long before they're sexually active.

So obvious of what?

Well, is Caitlyn Jenner responsible for 'the pussification of america'? Is that what is obvious to you? : /

What does that even mean...?

I would agree but only in the sense that she is rich and white.

Caitlyn Jenner is a right-winger.

they've found they can change the sexual preferences of fruit flies by changing their gut flora...i think it's part of the depopulation plan and something in the food or vaccines are causing it to happen

Plastic.

BPA is an endocrine disrupter and disrupts hormones.

Mass use of plastic began in the 60's.

50+ years worth of hormone disruption later...

Here we are.

Cultural warfare is a real thing. There's a reason why the Chinese and Russian politicians aren't celebrating homosexuality as much as American politicians. They're not stupid.

Promoting this shit creates division within society and other negative things if you look into it.

A lot of it is overreaction from people who have been discriminated against for a very long time, now that they can speak their minds publicly. This same hatred existed before too, but it was publicly acceptable because it was anti-gay

So we should be like them and let lgbt kids get beat up all the time and get treated like second class citizens?

Haha slippery slope in the wild! Dude no one wants 'lgbt kids'(if they even freakin exist) to get beat up, but they dont need to be taught about sex so young in the first fuckin place....do you even limits?

They exist whether you believe it or not.

Just like God

Which one?

I sometimes wonder if it IS the Russian's/Chinese agents promoting it. Basically using our free speech style of culture against us while ruthlessly policing their own to keep it free of degeneracy in a hope to bring us down.

If not them well it also sounds like something straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Though I know that is supposed to be fake, and it doesn't make sense to want to ruin a country you own.

It does make sense for TPTB. Ever since 2001, America has become more divided. In a collapse scenario, the last thing you want is a united population that threatens you.

You can already see the division within displayed by the political circus.

The Russians and the Chinese are already having a field day with weaponizing globalization.

Take a look at Russian media alone, it keeps promoting that European politicians are incompetent, retarded fools who don't know how to protect their countries from terrorism.

There is a spiritual aspect to this. The idea is to exchange the natural for the unnatural, to corrupt and invert and destroy the established order, not only for political reasons but to facilitate demonic infestation. Baphomet is transgendered. The priests of the ancient goddess were transgendered. Homosexuality, sacred prostitution, blood sacrifice, orgiastic rites -- these were once the norm, and they are becoming re-normalized as we enter a post-Christian era.

The old gods are coming back, and hybridism of all sorts is coming with them.

our souls are all androgynous on the inside, but mutilating the genitalia and taking toxic pharmaceuticals is not spiritual, it's barbaric...i think it's more part of the depopulation plan to keep people from procreating

You're onto something.

It's no coincidence that this site is choc-a-block full of militant tranny mods - expect to be copy-pasta'd to death for your opinions.

In cahoots with the Government's agenda we have radical regressive authoritarians doing the groundwork for the power elites. Men in dresses seem drawn to cabals, see J. Edgar Hoover and reddit's "unpaid" moderators.

Beginning in August 2014, Gamergate targeted several women in the video game industry, including game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, and cultural critic Anita Sarkeesian.

Shit like that is on Wikipedia - the infestation is becoming ever more deep rooted: feelings trump facts. Facts are phobic.

If some dude wants to play gingham dress up and sport fake tits, then it's not my business. Just keep him and his oversized stilletoes out of women's bathrooms - and for God's sake don't let them near our children.

If some dude wants to play gingham dress up and sport fake tits, then it's not my business. Just keep him and his oversized stilletoes out of women's bathrooms - and for God's sake don't let them near our children.

Yo this does make you a bigot and I'm not sorry to say that. If OP agrees with you then...

Good Lord you again? Limits, anyone? Limits?

Would we trust a 5-year old with any major decision? Would we trust a 5-year old to get a tattoo, for example? You would probably say no, but why do we (much of society) now trust a 5-year old to make a decision like this?

The decision at that age is not permanent. There's no medical intervention at all pre-puberty, and at the onset of puberty the only intervention is reversible puberty-blocking drugs. The first irreversible treatment given is hormone therapy at around 14-15, which has good outcomes.

Here is an article about the dangers of gender conversion therapy in children:

Just so you know, 'conversion therapy' doesn't refer to letting the kids transition. It refers to trying to suppress or remove their identification as the opposite sex.

I want to make it clear that I have nothing personal against any individual. My concern is that the destruction/confusion of gender roles will have a negative impact on society (and it already has).

This sounds like sort of an 'underpants gnome' sort of claim: 1. destroy gender roles, 2. ???, 3. downfall of society.

Let us also keep in mind that there is a lot of misinformation surrounding the benefits of sex changes, when in reality, many sex changes are not effective. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

That article is well over a decade old, and doesn't say what you think it says. It says that the evidence at the time indicating that it was effective had possible methodological gaps, which it did. But there's been a whole lot of research done since, and studies overwhelmingly show that post-transition trans people are better off. See, among many others,

• Heylans et al., 2014: "A difference in SCL-90 [a test of distress, anxiety, and hostility] overall psychoneurotic distress was observed at the different points of assessments (P = 0.003), with the most prominent decrease occurring after the initiation of hormone therapy (P < 0.001)...Furthermore, the SCL-90 scores resembled those of a general population after hormone therapy was initiated."

• Colizzi et al., 2013: "At enrollment, transsexuals reported elevated CAR ['cortisol awakening response', a physiological measure of stress]; their values were out of normal. They expressed higher perceived stress and more attachment insecurity, with respect to normative sample data. When treated with hormone therapy [at followup, 1 year after beginning HRT], transsexuals reported significantly lower CAR (P < 0.001), falling within the normal range for cortisol levels. Treated transsexuals showed also lower perceived stress (P < 0.001), with levels similar to normative samples."

• Gomez-Gil et al., 2012: "SADS, HAD-A, and HAD-Depression (HAD-D) mean scores [these are tests of depression and anxiety] were significantly higher among patients who had not begun cross-sex hormonal treatment compared with patients in hormonal treatment (F=4.362, p=.038; F=14.589, p=.001; F=9.523, p=.002 respectively). Similarly, current symptoms of anxiety and depression were present in a significantly higher percentage of untreated patients than in treated patients (61% vs. 33% and 31% vs. 8% respectively)."

Though this article is from 2004, you can find many examples of people regretting sex changes, even remaining suicidal and depressed after the fact.

Anecdotes prove little, and broad-scale surveys show regret rates of only a few percent (and most of those were because they didn't get results as good as they'd hoped, not because they were 'wrong' about their identification).

As you can already see, gender fluidity has increased. As this trend continues, the destruction of the traditional male and female gender roles will break down more and more. Now as there continues to be more acceptance of this (and there is), we will start to see more acceptance in other areas (bestiality, pedophilia) - though who knows what can happen with that.

Ah yes, the exact same slippery slope argument that has literally never been right in the history of the world. That argument gets made on literally every single liberalization of sexual or gender roles.

<brave new world excerpt>

I think we generally agree that Brave New World's future isn't an ideal one. But you've yet to show any causal link for how trans people would, as you seem to implicitly claim, get us there. Just because one thing is similar doesn't mean everything is - it's a "Hitler ate sugar" type of argument.

First and foremost, I never want to undermine somebody's struggles with his/her/whatever sexual identity. At the same time, in our efforts to be overly politically correct, we are not even thinking about how this will impact our children and the future in the long run.

Oh really? I've thought plenty about it, and I think the conclusion is very clear: trans people should have access to transition, because it is greatly beneficial to them and harms no one.

Note that in this video, that once children go through the transgender hormone therapy, they will be sterile.

Okay, yes, that is true (until we can stem-cell our way to functional gonads, anyway). But so what? Are we claiming vasectomies are now a tool of the Illuminati or whatever because they prevent reproduction?

There is no way that it is not permanent in some sense. Children are extremely vulnerable. You are saying that if a 5 year old chooses a gender, and everybody around that child encourages that child to continue on that path...that that in no way is a permanent decision? It is certainly extremely influential!

Well, okay, but not accepting them is equally permanent if we're taking such a broad interpretation. It hurts a lot to be rejected by your family or told that your feelings are invalid.

Here is a more recent article about pushing children to choose gender too early: http://nypost.com/2015/06/14/push-for-kids-to-choose-gender-identities-too-early-could-backfire/

That article provides no data whatsoever to suggest any harm is being done, and even acknowledges that transition-related and puberty-blocking treatments are beneficial in adolescents and adults.

I think anecdotes can be used as evidence, even if they are not the most prominent form of evidence. Many people use anecdotes like 'Jazz' the transgender kid to prove that it is a good thing. I think we have to look from anecdotes across the board.

'Anecdotes across the board' are also known as 'data'.

I never said trans people should not have access to transition. I am looking at this as a larger conspiracy. I am not saying trans people are not real. I am saying that there is a definite push for gender fluidity in mainstream society, and I am asking why.

There's a push for acceptance of fluid or non-standard gender identities because, to be frank, people are assholes about it. I got kicked out of my family when I came out, which I can promise you was not fun. Why wouldn't I push, and why wouldn't others who know similar stories push, for greater acceptance?

Thank you for your comments here.

Swear to Chel of the sea she gets around everywhere, dunno how she does it.

rotates head 360 degrees

I'm allllllways watching...

has anyone checked to see if something in our environment has switched on the XXY gene in these kids?

The hell do you mean by 'switched on the XXY gene'? XXY would be a chromosome set, not a gene, and it's inherited and has no need to be 'switched on'.

dna is switched on and off like a light switch, which affects the chromosomes

It doesn't affect which chromosomes you have, only which genes are expressed.

DNA is made out of two long, twisted strands that contain complementary genetic information (like a picture and its negative). A gene is a segment of DNA that is passed down from parents to children and confers a trait to the offspring. Genes are organized and packaged in units called “chromosomes."

...yes, I know. But describing someone as 'XXY' is a statement about their chromosomes, not their genes, so you can't talk about an 'XXY gene', nor does it make sense to talk about gene expression since it is, as previously mentioned, not a gene.

keep telling yourself that

You're a special sort of stupid, aren't you?

No, just understand biology beyond a sketchy ninth-grade grasp.

sure doesn't sound like it

I have three explanations but I can't take credit for one of them.

1. ) It's that they are trying to create more genders to market to. Thomas Sheridan discusses this brilliantly in "The Sigil and the Salespitch". You really need to listen to this video--its one of the best there is on this very subject.
2. ) It's that it's a gnostic globalist (rosicrucian alchemists) ritual of alchemical marriage between opposites, the 'coincidencia oppositorum'--they aren't trying to flip (postop) genders, they are specifically trying to create 'stuck in-between' pre-op transmen and transwomen in an act of human instrumentality (forced evolution)... FIrst you combine genders into androgyne...then combine with computers to make androidgyne
3. ) From a more nefarious perspective, that there is a 'neo-Lebensb(p)orn' eugenics (reduce population) effort happening to bring about a few trends:
   • Evolving porn into something more mainstream, through this trick called the 'porn music video' or PMV, 'compilations', 'trainers' and 'hypno' type videos (messages overlayed on top of compilation video). By tying porn to pop music and EDM music, the video can manufacture a cognitive jump of social acceptance of porn / porn messaging in the viewer.
   • The fact that these PMV videos persist means they've not violated copyrights and therefore there's a LOT of money and high production value (ie: video editing skill) behind these videos. Think about that. (google deep slut puppy vanilla) Othewise xvideos and xhamster and the like would have the shit sued out of them because they are actually many times the primary producer of these videos, even though they are apparently not monetized (no video ads) and... so how they are making their money back is puzzling to say the least (it cannot simply be from webcam banner ads alone--no one clicks that shit). I've never paid for porn and probably watched 1000 hours of it over the last 2 decades. My point is there is LOADs of money thrown at these videos, but with no attempt to get the money back. Therefore I can conclude that the "medium is the message"--they dont' need your money, they need your attention. Think about why porn tube sites work WAY faster than youtube ever did, even at night. My conclusion is that Porn is some kind of mass social-behavior / mind-control effort.
     
   • Porn addicts usually have troubled relationships / don't want to f their wife
   • Shemale porn has skyrocketted in terms of proliferation, prominence and consumption--ask any pornographer that it's the fastest growing demo in the industry in the last 15 yrs...starting around 1998 ish. See for yourself with google trends.
   • Shemale 'hypno' style videos (NSFW / gay/bi => /r/sissyhypno) are all over xvideos/hamster now to the extent that its sometimes difficult to avoid them. Now people have to put 'vanilla' into the title just so they know there's not bisexual or gay stuff in the video.
   • Hypno videos by at least 3 artists will subliminally flash a Shutzstaffel SS runes inside of a female symbol as a calling card. It may be a game (ie: video edite by trans for trans (ex: annamalice)---the artists fashion themselves to trans-dominatrix in the nazi-occult thanateros sex-death goth fetish tradtition for example, but I personally think it is much more than that)
   • The hypno videos try to make white men into females who like black men ('sissification videos'). Obviously your choice to watch them, but damn there's so many of them now. So if you assume they are nazi occultists making these videos as a kind of mass mind control program of anyone 'bi-curious', then the effort is to transify them into female and bisexualize black men, pitting two 'socially repugnant-to-right-wing-authoritarians' groups against each other to remove them from the gene pool as an effort of porn-mediated eugenics. I have to acknowledge that this is a lot nicer than putting them into gas chambers--making them a bunch of incredibly skillful porn that ostensibly violates so many copyrights like they 'just don't care about it'.
   • Because of SJWhood, you aren't allowed to say anything like I've said above about transpeople unless you are yourself a transperson. In this way, they've created a kind of sjw entitlement forcefield around themselves wherein they get to be an insular elite class that no one can remark about. In this way, they are akin to the ancient Japanese Samurai of the Tokugawa Shogunate, their sword is a finger snap and head snaking, 'oh no you didnt just say something gender insensitive'.

I think all of the above is true, but one thing is that transsexuals are essentially the perfect "elective patients". In other words, biologically healthy individuals who consume health care at a very high rate for life.

A. First, you have the hormone thing. Two drugs, a blocker for the hormone you make, and the opposite sex hormone. Both for life.

B. Regular visits to an endocrinologist to check said hormone levels, as well as visits to the GP for normal health stuff.

C. The surgeries required to switch genders.

D. The aftercare of those surgeries.

Just calculate the money spent to pull this off. Probably $10k conservatively per person. And the latest effort is to force insurance to cover these treatments. In fact, that Bradley Manning was denied this after being put in prison for essentially treason, shows just how far we are. Imagine the money to be made by creating a problem that costs several thousand dollars and creates a lifetime patient.

What gets me is that while the above elective treatment is covered, there are lots of poor people who can't even afford a doctor or dentist. For years. If you're poor, you simply don't see a doctor. There's no money in treating a poor, but there's lots of support for treating an upper class transsexual.

biologically healthy individuals who consume health care at a very high rate for life.

You make a very good point. Any way to heavily medicate people is helpful for everyone but that person. So if you have healthy folks you're going to have to find something wrong with them or make something wrong with them.

All the porn sites you named are owned by the same company. Nobody gets sued in porn because the entire industry is monopolized by one player. No politician will ever disassemble that monopoly, because none of them want to look like they care about protecting porn.

When this company enters a new market, it looks like a trend exploded. But really, it's just one company posting to their hundreds of thousands of websites.

What is the name of the company?

company name is manwin...most major american distributors sold stake in 2012 to overseas company called manwin

Feminism and blurring the lines between male and female only exist to destroy the sanctity of family... It's disgusting. God made them man and woman. And woman was not meant to be made equal to man. (And I say this being a woman myself!)

When women are viewed as equals to men by society, they will begin to be looked down upon for taking on the submissive role that they were meant to have. The next generation is loaded and ready for this to occur. And what happens next? Now we say, a man that doesnt get off his ass and work for his family is worthless! What happens when society starts saying a woman that doesn't help her husband provide is worthless as well! (Though it's already beginning!) When a woman that stays home to tend to the house and raise her children with the love and care that no one but a father or mother can provide is looked down upon, you know we've lost! When the parents are expected to leave their children with strangers that can't possibly love and care for our children the way we do... (And look around, it's already happening!) The society that operates under these ideals is disgusting, and will only serve to destroy.

Micah 2:9-10 The women of my people have ye cast out from their pleasant houses; from their children have ye taken away my glory for ever.

Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction.

You know, but my dad was Christian and he almost split up the family because I was gay. I didn't do anything wrong, but Christianity programmed him to hate, which is the opposite of what Jesus taught. So there are two sides to this divisiveness, it's not just gay people being jerks, far from it

Christianity isn't all about mushy gooey loving people the way that you think, and coincidentally, the way a lot of churches decide to preach.. Even Daniel said in Psalms that he hated those who hate the Lord...

Psalm 139:19-22 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

And according to the Bible, loving someone means caring for their soul.. Loving someone means preaching to them and warning them against sin! And a man laying with a man, or a woman laying with a woman is most definitely sinful.

If you are a true follower of Christ, you love others by preaching to them so that they might be saved also. Being persecuted and hated whilst preaching the truth all to save someone else! THAT is true love! And that is the love that Christ taught.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

God created gays so if you hate gays you hate God

Haha! God creates all things both evil and good.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I don't hate you. However, I will never condone what you do because it is an abomination. There's a difference.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

That is what the Lord decreed, not I.

Then I guess you wont be eating shellfish or wearing Nylon (mixed materials). Watch this video and learn the error of your ways: http://instinctmagazine.com/post/christian-minister-smacks-down-anti-lgbt-bigots

Kid, you really have met your match here.

Eating shellfish and wearing mixed materials were cardinal ordinances, which have been done away with in Christ.

Cor 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The difference is that eating shellfish and wearing mixed materials was not decreed an abomination. These were instead symbolic cardinal ordinances which were a shadow of things to come. Homosexuality, however, was and still is an abomination. As Christ said,

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:17-20 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Wearing mixed clothing and eating shellfish does NOT DEFILE A MAN!! However, when a man lusts after another man in his heart, he IS defiling himself, not only because homosexuality is an abomination, but also because a man can never be married to another man in the eyes of the Lord, and thus it will always be fornication as well. As Christ said,

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Whether or not you ever have physical relations with a member of the same sex, if you have found it in your heart to lust after someone of the same sex, you have committed not only homosexuality in your heart but fornication in your heart as well.

Matt 19:4-5 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Anyone who says otherwise is preaching against what the Bible taught, and what Christ taught. Such are false prophets. And this is what Paul had to say about such:

Galatians 1:6-10 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

They preach these things to please men. When the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality! The Bible says not to be effeminate!

1 Cor 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

They preach these things to please men because men don't want to be accused of their sins! The Bible even says this!

John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS WERE EVIL! For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, LEST HIS DEEDS SHOULD BE REPROVED! But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Judge not lest ye be judged, my friend. Why point out the speck in your brother's eye without first removing the plank in yours?

These are the words of Jesus.

You clearly do not understand these verses. And how can you? You can't understand the truth without the Holy Spirit. If you had the Holy Spirit you would understand your sins and you would come to the light, as the verse I already shared has shown!

Pointing out the speck in your eye:

1) You are not my brother. Brother refers to brethren in Christ.

2) This verse means do not accuse your brother when you are guilty of the same thing. I am not guilty of homosexuality, clearly, as I am condemning it. Neither am I judging you. There is one that judges you. And he already has judged you and condemned you, with the words written in this Bible.

John 3:17-18 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am merely preaching to remind you of what the Lord has already judged. And I will continue to preach the truth, because that is what the Lord has told His children to do.

Fuck off, satan. If your religion gives you excuses to hate people, it's not the true word of god.

As an ex-trans, I can tell you that it is because morals are being degraded in the west, plastics are being put in the water, feminists are putting estrogen in the water supply by means of womens birth control, and there is systemic brainwashing in the media (both through television and music. Media oftentimes contains encoded messages that rearrange brain wiring and neuron pathways to promote the opposite brain from what is natural). Not enough people have found God, and we are normalizing the LGBTQABBQ alphabet soup culture. I believe that if society instills normal, Christian values, we can beat the overwhelming wave of political correctness in society.

Normal anti-gay Christian values? Aka hated of others who don't conform? How about no

While I think we should seriously investigate chemical pollution altering our sexuality, I think so much of the fear of sexual variety comes from the fear of the judgement of God.

Evidence of this is visible in the often made assertion that homosexuality is a choice. Many Christians have evolved on that, but many haven't. If one truly believes the Bible is the word of God, then one believes homosexuality is sin, because it says so. If homosexuality is sin, then it either is a choice or God is extremely mean to homosexuals expecting them to change something they can't or live in a personal hell where they can't express themselves as they are. So, the true believer chooses to believe that homosexuality is a choice to avoid believing God is being extremely unfair to a portion of the population, which would make him seem like an evil god. Good people don't want to follow an evil god.

Look at how many posts and posters with fear of sexual variety express a faith in God, almost always Christianity for those typing in English online. It's because the Bible is believed to contain God's words. The Bible says that sex should be only heterosexual and within the confines of marriage. So, faithful people get scared that we are doing something wrong and offending God just by allowing other people to express themselves as they feel that they are.

I actually do believe in God. Belief in a creator is not the issue. Belief without question in the words of men purported to be the words of God is the problem, dogmatic belief. One can question the purported words of God delivered by human beings to varying degrees or go all the way. I consider this dogmatic belief to be the line dividing spirituality from religion. The differences between religion and spirituality stem from this personal decision to believe or not believe what other people tell you about God.

This is why spiritual people are uncertain of their own beliefs/ideas, question their own beliefs/ideas, listen to new beliefs/ideas, change their beliefs/ideas over time, are more tolerant of other people's beliefs/ideas, and are typically less fearful of God than religious people are.

Religious people are certain of their own beliefs (believing faith is a virtue), are often afraid to question their own beliefs (fear of lack of faith, damnation), are afraid to consider new beliefs, don't change their beliefs over time very much (fear of abandoning the religion/God, so not accepting Jesus as one's savior, inviting damnation), are afraid to tolerate other people's beliefs/ideas because they think they know they are misleading people (faith), and are more fearful of God (fear of eternal pain for so many things), "God fearing".

How can one know for sure what God said? The Bible? The Torah? The Koran? The Book of Mormon? None of us believe that all of these books contain the authentic words of God, but there are places in this world where each of these books is believed by many or a majority to contain the words of God. Obviously, just because a book does not contain the genuine words of God, it doesn't mean it's all false.

The story of Jesus is awesome and his teachings are timeless and relevant to our lives, even many atheists/agnostic/spiritual people agree with them. Jesus' teachings are the Christian values that we aught to be practicing; forgiveness of others; expressing a non-judgemental attitude toward others, listening to our enemies, helping the weak and needy, exercising compassion (love) toward other people, living with personal integrity, avoiding hypocrisy. Just because a religion uses the name of Jesus, it doesn't mean that encourages people to practice his teachings.

The teachings of the adversary/Lucifer/Satan/devil/divine illness/anti-life machine/whatever you call the archetype of evil, are the exact opposite of Jesus' teachings and express competition to its extreme rather than cooperation; vengeance toward others, judgement of others, condemning and not listening to our enemies, taking advantage of the weak and needy, exercising power over other people (control by fear), living outside of personal integrity for personal pleasure, expressing rampant hypocrisy without remorse.

Instead of insisting that one particular book contains the words of God while the others don't, why not just look inside ourselves and ask the tough questions about God and beliefs without evidence? Are we too afraid of damnation to consider the idea that we are being used and abused by men using the image of God to control us? Does questioning religious belief negate the existence of God? No, it doesn't. Let's stop fearing God and start loving God, creation, each other and ourselves, as we actually are. Fear gets in the way of that all too well, but it is something we choose to experience with our choice of beliefs that elicit it. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself, because it shuts down our hearts and minds.

Fascinating food for thought, some of which I already agree with.

Just a bunch of mentally ill folk that the Powers That Be tell that what they're doing is normal.

In the 70s they switched definitions so that the body mutilators are the right ones,and their critics are the wrong ones.

I don't agree with some of these theories but this is one of the more interesting things I've read on this sub lately. I'm personally curious about the demographics behind gender fluidity and the influence of media/social media on this phenomenon.

Can't add spice without a bit of controversy!

mental illness manifests itself in a variety of ways.

http://i.imgur.com/mOsI7PW.jpg

I didn't think this thread could get any better, but then this meme.

it makes every thread better! Here's the song to go with it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUGeA2lur4

I think hating yourself and being told consumerism or body changes are the way out, is the new normal

Would we trust a 5-year old with any major decision? Would we trust a 5-year old to get a tattoo, for example? You would probably say no, but why do we (much of society) now trust a 5-year old to make a decision like this?

I agree about children not being able to make fully informed decisions, one can only hope that some restrictions will be put in place to protect them.

On the other hand, I do think the percentage of people who are actually transgender/gender-fluid as adults has not changed that drastically (not counting the individuals who just hop on the bandwagon for awhile). Due to intolerance and bigotry many people were very in the closet about these issues for hundreds of years in America. In fact, there have been transgender people here since long before the white man arrived. Now that there are protections in place and the fear has slightly subsided, it just seems more common since it is more out in the open.

Source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit#Historical_accounts

Edit: spelling

I think people are just generally so unhappy because society and the economy suck so bad, that they turn to things like transgender ism, hoping it will make them happy. And our society is obsessed with gender, so it breeds a curiosity to see "the other side". Also notice how much more common it is for males to transition to females instead of viceversa. Females have a lot of power in today's society, and I think a lot of people are attracted to that, and want to be that.

Would we trust a 5-year old to get a tattoo, for example?

Interesting analogy. To make it more accurate, imagine that society has a coming-of-age ceremony where pubescent people get either a male tattoo or a female tattoo put on them. Puberty is like this, in that it is the turning point in life where major sex-specific changes occur as a matter of course.

So, imagine that some people say that this is the wrong tattoo for them. We can make it a Bloods tattoo and a Crips tattoo if you want to move the analogy away from the gender. A kid is about to get their Crips tattoo (or female tattoo), and they want to have a Bloods tattoo (male tattoo) instead. Them doing so is equivalent to transition. Them being allowed to postpone the tattooing for a few years is equivalent to using hormone-blockers to postpone breast or beard growth until they are a little older.

There was a hit piece on Australia's national broadcaster the abc on the Australian doof scene (diy edm parties in the bush). The scene has grown quite popular and a powerful avenue for transformative experiences. The hit piece had these ludicrous gender fluid idiots pulling drugs out their ass and degrading the whole issue around substance use. They could have gotten so many regular party goers and substance users to be interviewed but instead they chose the hip gender fluid fuckwits to degrade the whole scene to their audience (mostly baby boomers).

Try look for four corners-dying to dance on the abc. It might be regionally blocked though.

Lmao. Powerful avenue huh? Most of the people that turn up are purely looking to get shitfaced, nothing insightful happens at them other than the occasional idiot dropping one too many tabs of acid and suddenly thinking hes a modern day einstein

You can't see the forest for the trees mate.

Ok, I'll bite. Why did you think you were a lesbian when you were straght?

i've played around with women, i consider myself heteroflexible, but i love men, i have only dated men, and if gay chicks have hit on me, i have been completely oblivious

Yeah, we are all affected by our early experiences, more or less.

Right. We should not.

I get it but what's the big deal. I think it's natural selection at work. Let retarded parents die with their now delsuional kids. It's just up to the intelligent to thrive. That's evolution.

Well done, thank you for your research. Keep up with good work.

I'm totally for blurring gender boundaries, with the pill and new technology everything is possible.

Why would a sterile society be a bad thing? Only the wealthy can reproduce and brainwash offspring? We are overpopulated as it is.

I agree some of the sexuality/trans stuff can get out of hand. Lots of parents just let impressionable kids/preteens undergo hormone therapy and gender reassignment without a lot of careful thought that's harmful.

Related thoughts on casual sex:

I've thought very deeply about sex lately. It's probably because I've been single for the first time in a few years, but it's been refreshing.

There is very strong programming in our society to treat sex as a transaction. I especially notice this in sexually charged places, such as bars and clubs, and even more so on Tinder. Sex is treated as a commodity, something that people are supposed to give each other (especially that women are supposed to give men), assuming the "negotiation" goes well. It's treated as this drug of sorts, that everyone needs to get high off of, and get high as frequently as possible. The quality of the high is second to the quantity of the high. That's the societal programming that we are raised in.

The concept of "objectification of women" has finally hit home, even though I'm much older than I want to admit to have finally realized it. As much as women talk about the programming to be sexually attractive at all times, men are given the same programming about women. Men are quick to categorize women into sexual viability categories - "yes I would have sex with her, so I will be friendly with her" or "she seems like a slut, I should try to take her home right now" or "I think she's ugly" or "I think she's fat." As awful as it sounds, those are the primal programming messages that flow through the male mind. And it is reinforced with women - they might think if they aren't having sex, that something is wrong with them, that they are ugly, fat, or otherwise undesirable. If men aren't having sex, we are taught to think that we aren't macho enough, or suave enough, and that we are a failure. Our society places so much personal worth on the quantity of sex a person is having.

I think that also drives the counter-culture of anti-sex. The culture is so hyper-sexualized, that the opposite is complete lack of sex and sexual identity. It's the only way that some people can feel important, because they are taught to think that they aren't important without sex.

The best sex is never with a one-night stand. One-night stands are such a low-vibration way to have sex. It's so cold, transaction, unemotional. It feels so foreign, because sex is literally the deepest physical and emotional connection that human beings can have with each other.

The best sex comes from a unique emotional attraction with another. Even if you haven't known that person for very long, you know almost immediately when you meet someone, how deep your emotional connection is with them.

What I'm looking for in my next partner is someone that I hope has a similar mindset, whether they know it or not. I want to make love to their soul, by pleasing their body, and engaging their mind.

This paper is from 1999. It suggests that political bisexuality is dangerous and completely destroy civilization. There was mention of gender going away as well. Here's a link: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/eatrich/bi99.html

It sounds like queer theory on steroids.

Excellent post!

Why, if you don't me asking, did you think you were a lesbian?

Sexually is a scale, many people are neither 100% straight or 100% gay or even have the same sexuality for their whole lifetime.

Yes but we are influenced by traditional roles, family and religion to be strictly female or male in clothing, straight in choice of partners, traditional in roles of life!

You are seeing more options now and more freedom to explore. These ARE good things! At least to me.

Interesting. Did you just refrain from males or were you simply not interested in them?

Well I hope you're happy.

I think capitalism has just turned "gender" into another product for people to consume. Everyone is sooo caught up in selfie culture. People aren't discovering their sexuality and gender through human contact anymore. We've removed the pheromones, and replaced them with identity labels on a profile.

Instead of people doing the hard work of changing society, they're taught to individualize and problematize their feelings about gender. If yoy're a man who likes pink skirts, it's easier to "become a woman" than to stand up to bullies and own the fact that you're a dude who likes skirts. Lots of "gender non-conforming" kids grow up to be gay or lesbian (and "desist" from their desire to be the other sex). The pressure to "trans" kids seems to be worse in environments with homophobia. (Heck, in Iran it's illegal to be gay but they will provide "corrective" sex change surgery.)

Also, in some cases exposure to certain types of porn... "Autogynephilia" is a controversial topic, but there are undeniably men who develop a fetish for "sissification". This is by no means all trans people, but it is a significant subset.

Check out www.4thwavenow.com for some thoughtful critical analysis of current transgender politics, from a feminist (not bigoted) perspective.

If yoy're a man who likes pink skirts, it's easier to "become a woman" than to stand up to bullies and own the fact that you're a dude who likes skirts.

That's really not how it works. Trans folk tend to feel it goes significantly deeper than just clothes.

I was being a little flip. But almost every trans narrative I read seems to boil down to clothing and/or toy preferences. I have rarely read a description of anyone's "internal gender feelings" that wasn't based on tired, sexist stereotypes.

Sorry that I believe in self-acceptance. And that I think everyone should be taught to love the body they have, and embrace their individual personalities as they are.

I'm a pretty non-stereotypical female. And every single reason I've ever read for a trans person "knowing they were truly female on the inside" was stupid bullshit that doesn't apply to all women anyway.

There are a small number of people (often called "truscum" in the oh-so-accepting "trans community") who suffer real gender dysphoria. But there are waaay more people who are just re-ifying gender stereotypes because of something they read on tumblr. The kind of people who make up labels like "demisexual". (Which is an "identity" based on the idea that the majority of people supposedly enjoy casual sex, but you are a special snowflake who only enjoys it when there is an emotional connection.)

I also read stories of people who obsess about their gender identity and sexuality labels (and pronouns) but have never had sex or been in a relationship. And I think we put the cart before the horse. Instead of thinking about your sex and gender, go out and LIVE it. Mash your genitals up against someone else's. Discover the pleasure in whatever sticky mess turns you on. Worry less about the labels.

Finally, I know people who have "de-transitioned" and/or regret surgeries. People who truly believed they were the wrong gender, transitioned, and later realized that their dissatisfaction was not ameliorated by changing genders after all. People can make mistakes in understanding themselves, but it's become verboten to point out potential errors in gender thinking. Gender identity has become a sacred self-declaration. Even in 5 year olds. Who also self-declare themselves to be dinosaurs or puppies.

I'm not telling anyone how to live their life. I don't hate trans people, or want to prevent them from doing whatever they please. But I do think society lacks a healthy understanding of exactly what gender is in the first place, and how much (or how little) it matters.

"Gender" is a made up social construction, that has changed in different times and places. I think it could be done away with entirely. Biological sex matters, but only to the act of human reproduction. Other than for reproduction, sex and/or gender should be pretty damned irrelevant.

I want to be rid of gender, and let everyone live as they wish. Trans people want to re-ify gender, and increase its importance. And I don't think it's necessary, productive, or healthy for society.

There are a small number of people (often called "truscum" in the oh-so-accepting "trans community") who suffer real gender dysphoria.

This is patently untrue. Go to /r/transgender and related subs, and I'd be shocked if you saw that at all, let alone it meaning "someone with gender dysphoria." The VAST MAJORITY of trans people have gender dysphoria. If they are on HRT of any kind, they have been diagnosed with it. And when 'truscum' does come up(usually the term used is 'trutrans' or a variant), it's usually in relation to people spouting the same sexist BS that you are saying all trans people spout, and who try to police others behaviors using said BS("you aren't girly enough, you don't like men, REAL women walk in high heels, etc.").

There are a small number of people (often SOMETIMES called "truscum" in the oh-so-accepting "trans community") who suffer real gender dysphoria.

That better? lol

Great post. I've always wondered why it's considered "intolerant", "bigoted" and "trans-phobic" to simply discuss transgenderism. It seems like the idea of it is being drilled into people and that they're being told to accept it without asking questions.

Am I against transgenderism? No. I don't care what other people do with their bodies. But I'm also kind of uneasy with the idea that young children are now able to forgo these transformations simply because they want to be the other gender. It's actually quite insane to think about. What does a 5 year old know about sex or their sexuality? Like, at least wait until puberty maybe.

Anyway, the first thought I had as to why all of a sudden we're told to be comfortable with and accepting of this "trans" ideology without asking any questions about it is that it's some sort of long-term conditioning for when/if Trans-humanism becomes a thing. Now from a primitive human point of view, the idea of merging with computers/machines/robots can seem horrifying.

However, I think that this may ultimately be our next step in evolution.

---Warning: Trippy shit below---

Instead of patiently waiting billions of years for mother nature to slowly upgrade us, why not use the intelligence that we already have to speed up the process exponentially? After all, us humans and machines are basically made from the same shit when you look at it from an atomic point of view. We, and everything around us, are made out of nothing but atoms which are held together by energy. These atoms, the very same ones that you are made of, have been around since the beginning of the universe. The particles that YOU are made of are at least billions of years old.

So if the building blocks that compose you are billions to infinitely many years old, and you have only been you since your birth, then WHAT are YOU? What makes you.... you? Your thoughts? Your soul? Your consciousness? Your memories? It certainly isn't the atoms that you are made out of, because those have been around for billions of years before you became you.

So anyway, if you are nothing but thoughts/a soul/consciousness/memories living inside and controlling a body made of billion year old atoms, which is essentially just a container that contains you inside it, then why not put "yourself" inside a superior body, or "life container"? Is the body that contains you simply good enough? It's usually good for about 80 years or so if you're lucky enough to be born in a 1st world country. But then what happens after that? After your body (or life container) dies? What happens to you? Do you go to heaven? Hell? Does it turn out that you are really just living in another dimension and that all of this, all of the life around you as you know it, is just a simulation that you're playing around in... So the real you essentially "wakes up" when your atomic body dies in the simulation? Or perhaps you simply reincarnate and get to experience life as another person/animal/plant/alien when your physical body (or container) dies? Or perhaps, what if... there is simply "Nothing" after death, and that this whole life was just a 1 in infinity kind of "random" experience that you'll NEVER have again? That last thought is the one that scares me the most. That all of life was a "fluke" which only happened because of the fact that the universe itself is infinite, so even if it did happen randomly, it happened only because odds even as small as 1 in infinity were mathematically inevitable as the universe itself is infinitely old? Are you okay with "dying", and essentially risking that last scenario, where you will never have another chance to live again?

I'm not so sure some of us are. I don't think I am. Think about it, the fact that anything... "exists", is a fucking miracle. The fact that that these atoms, the very same ones that compose everything around us, could be put together in such a way that they are essentially thinking and are aware of their very own existence is mind-boggingly fascinating. Do we want to potentially waste this? Or should we guarantee ourselves an eternal "life" by merging "us" with machines, which are basically just atoms arranged in a smarter and more superior way, a way much better than our current mostly Carbon-based bodies, to ensure immortality? To ensure that you get to live, create, learn, love, laugh forever? And to ensure that you don't... go away forever?

Now I'm well aware of the fact that trans-humanism might not even be impossible. After all, we don't even know what consciousness is yet. Even the world's smartest and most educated biologists, chemists, physicists, computer scientists, mathematicians etc, don't have a clue about what makes you, you. So how exactly do we transfer you and your consciousness into an eternal, superior life container, if we don't even know what makes you, you? We are still very far away from this, if "this" can happen at all.

But think about it. If it was possible to transfer you, your consciousness, your memories, and everything that makes you, you into a mechanical life container (which is essentially just a body built from the same eternal atoms that your current body is made out of, only its atoms are arranged in a superior, non-degrading manner) that makes it possible for you to keep living, experiencing and creating new things forever, would you want to do it?

If anyone here bothered to read that bat-shit crazy hunk of text above, then I encourage you to poke some holes in my logic or even add to it. This is obviously shit I can't say in real life without sounding like a deranged lunatic who belongs in a mental hospital, so I'd really like to discuss it with you random internet strangers, no matter what your opinions are.

Edit: grammar.

I went way off topic I guess. This is /r/conspiracy after all, not /r/LSDtalk lol. I probably should've stopped at the 3rd paragraph if I wanted to maximize karma. But oh well, even if there's just one person who didn't mind reading my rant then I know I didn't waste my time.

Thanks, I enjoyed reading through your original post as well.

Wow, interesting and thoughtful post. Sorry you got downvotes for your effort. It's a shame this isn't higher up. Thank you for taking the time to articulate a very interesting idea.

And thank you also to OP for starting this conversation. Your original post is thoughtful and refreshing. I obviously have an unpopular opinion on this already. But I get sick of both "sides" of this debate shouting the same old points at each other. I see one-dimensional slogans, but not a lot of genuine curiosity and thoughtfulness.

Thanks. I don't mind the downvotes though, I understand that the majority of my post really had nothing to do with conspiracies. I guess I just felt like talking "outside the box" for some reason.

Just came by to say fuck feminism and all those other weak pussy bullshit movements that try to zap the world of testosterone and try to control people with political correctness.

Fuck Bruce Jenner too.

Yes, BRUCE Jenner.

It's just another fad.

When I was a teenager, it was "cool" to be bisexual and self harm. Later it was "cool" to be Emo or Goth. Now it seems to be the in thing to be transgender of some description.

It'll die down eventually and some other fad will take its place.

Since when has it ever been a fad to be bisexual? If anything that line of thinking is toxic to people who are bi as theyre viewed by both the straight and gay community that theyre interested in as just being stuck in limbo or "undecided"

When I was around 16/17, a lot of people I knew (especially girls) claimed to be bisexual as it was something alternative and was deemed to be going against the system. None of them were truly bi and it was a "cool" thing to do.

I was going to rock, alt and metal clubs and first started to seriously get into that kind of music around that age and I'd say about 75% of people I met claimed bisexuality. I even did it myself to seem like I was one of the trend setters. Many years later, the only thing still true about that is that I still like the music.

This whole thing with kids claiming to be demiromantic pansexual trans femme queers or other such made up rubbish is similar. It's a fad to be seen as alternative and going against the norm.

It's a fad.

How many of these kids who claim to be transgender or gender fluid or pansexual or dragonkin or some other such nonsense will look back in a few years time and think what idiots they were.

The same way that people used to tell their parents (myself included) that whatever alternative lifestyle they were following wasn't a "phase" and how they just don't understand it.

It's a fad, plain and simple. Take a look on Tumblr at all the people who claim to be various genders and also the same people who self diagnose mental illness and autism etc.

It's the done thing at the moment. That's all it is.

As did all the other fads over the years. Then something else comes into fashion and people eventually take up the new fad.

People were cutting themselves and listening to Dashboard Confessional for years.

There's nothing sinister behind this. It's just a bunch of angsty teens rebelling against the system the same way every generation has. The means are the same it's just the method that has changed.

Religion puts a lot of fear in the hearts of human beings regarding sexuality. It mandates heterosexuality confined to marriage. It is coupled with and makes sense inside the construct of our economic system. For without marriage, a pregnant/child raising woman or single father has no means to earn a living and have adequate time to take care of the child. This makes marriage an economic necessity for the good of the children, and us adults too as we were shaped as developing children.

Yet, this system of marriage, or lifelong sexual monogamy, is not universal in the human experience. It does not explain our sexual urges, tendencies and behaviors. How many married people are unsatisfied sexually with their partners? How many look at porn looking for that satisfaction? How many cheat or fantasize about cheating on their partners? Pretty much everyone does, but many, often religious folks, won't admit it. They don't want to set a bad example, endorse what they perceive as sinful behavior, even admit their sexual thoughts, feelings and unacted upon fantasies. So, they play the clean, pious, white robed puritan to convince others, and even more especially themselves, that they are following the rules set out by God. God made the world yet people keep acting in ways that undermine the system marriage He supposedly mandated.

Have any of you noticed the many people who cheat on their partners yet are so afraid of losing them when they are discovered? This is because, even thought they are not sexually satisfied with their partners, they still love them and thus continue to want to be with them. This is because love and sex are not the same thing. People can love outside of sex, being friends, family and acquaintances. People can have sex outside of love and still be loving people, having one night stands, casual sex with friends, sex with prostitutes, look at porn, masturbate, etc. Of course, sex can be a very emotionally bonding experience and it often results in a stronger love bond between partners. It is also quite possible to be in love this way with more than one partner. There are a lot more possibilities than religion allows us to feel comfortable accepting, without fear.

Don't deny the reality you can observe around you out fear of the wrath of a supposed creator of the universe, with ambiguous credibility no less. Accept it and each other and work out your problems with respect for one another and one another's known agreements with others. Judging others makes us attack them. Believing that god doesn't want them to be this or that or do this or that compels us judge them. Stop fearing this god that has so any issues with his own creation, providing seemingly endless opportunities to fear divine punishment. Question the things you were told to believe about the creator of the universe and you can more easily shed these fears, based on False Evidence Appearing Real, the written or spoken words of men stuffed into the perceived mouth of God.

Homosexuality is not exclusive to human beings. Other intelligent social mammals engage in it too. Dolphins do it, even in their blow holes. Bonobos, which are equally related to humans as chimpanzees, but to me and others appear to move and act even more like us than chimpanzees, do it too. Not only do they have homosexual sex, they have a lot of heterosexual sex too. Their balls are as big as chicken eggs. It is theorized that this hypersexuality is a form of social bonding that increases the cohesion of the pack for cooperation. It also helps them work out problems, they appear to even screw to make up.

There is also the theory that sperm competition from multiple partners deters the aggressiveness of males toward other males competing for females. Several males will mate with a single female and so it makes the paternal identity ambiguous. Most other animals will fight for and guard their females to ensure their DNA is what she propagates. The competition takes place inside the female, through multiple mating sessions, in this alternative reproductive method. It is less violent and honestly, look at how hot many humans find the practice.

Gang bang porn is popular, especially multiple males with one female. Furthermore, males are finished having sex for a few minutes at least after they orgasm, while females can orgasm after orgasm after orgasm. The females much much moreso than the males, like their bonobo relatives, make a lot of sexy sounds, female copulatory vocalization, which males find enticing. This turns them on for sex. Many human males, of course not all, report to enjoy mating with a female after other males did. How odd? Yet, this behavior is completely appropriate for a sperm competition reproduction social system, even if it is obscenely taboo in our society.

Larger testicles like we and bonobos have, ensure we have many millions of little ones to compete, should the need arise. Also the notched head of the penis, enhanced by the foreskin, actually pulls semen out of the vagina. Well, wouldn't that be a great thing for sperm competition too?

There are also many people that are bisexual. Many of them choose (lol, they are the only ones that can) to express only their heterosexual side, usually to avoid social friction caused by attacks from judgemental people who believe it is wrong. Some others of them express homosexual behavior, because they feel it more strongly. We are compelled to choose an identity and stick with it, so many tend not to explore their other side. I see so many self-proclaimed heterosexuals, who probably do really feel heterosexual feelings, enjoying good laughs about sucking dicks and screwing other dudes in their butts. Prisoners cover their social asses with machismo while they opt for gay sex, saying they love putting their sausages between the buns other men just for dominance reasons. Yeah, right. Also, there are religious areas that allow gay sex too, as long as they can use religious legalese to make themselves feel that it is ok. They often claim it isn't homosexual. They lie to themselves in this way, but they'd be better off to stop lying to themselves about God, so they could just drop the fear entirely.

I would bet that chemicals we put into our water as well as natural mutations cause some unusual sexual behavior, indeed we see deformations from it in animals, but homosexual behavior and bisexuality has been going on much longer than industrial civilization. It was rampant in many places before the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) spread. Rome and Greece were two such places. One can't deny that those who have mixed parts, boobs and a penis, or a giant penis sized clitoris, are experiencing something unusual. Yet, self-reports of homosexual urges in the modern day, as well as decades ago in previous studies, as well thousands of years ago embraced by a great many within cultures that accepted it shows that this phenomenon of homosexuality is not just caused by pollution or cultural machinations. It's part of the variety one would expect with intelligent hypersexual social mammals that engage in sperm competition like the bonobos. All of the behaviors that undermine marriage that I have previously mentioned actually fit within this alternative paradigm. Perhaps marriage, or forced sexual monogamy, for economic reasons, is the aberration in human behavior causing our apparent sexually dysfunctional behaviors.

If you want to open your mind wider on the issue of human sexuality I'd recommend these links.

Christopher Ryan is a researcher that points out the evidence that paints a convincing alternative picture of human sexuality that more closely fits our behavior and anatomy than we are used to believing.

The Mosuo tribe of China is a small group of 30,000-50,000 that has a matriarchal society. There is no ritualized lifelong sexual monogamy. While they do sometimes call sexual encounters "walking marriages," they don't usually have women leave their family household to have children. They continue to live with their household and their sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles help raise their children. This gives them a lack of economic fear about the welfare of their offspring. So, their culture has different sexual beliefs and rules.

They find it offensive if someone attempts to exercise sexual ownership over other, telling them that they cannot sleep with who they please. We do the opposite. Expressing jealousy and possessiveness is expected in our society, the norm. In Mosuo society the men and women both get to sleep with whoever wants to sleep with them. The rule is that after the male comes over for sex, he has to leave in the morning. They don't leave the household with the female and make a new household, usually. When the love in the relationship fades, instead of fantasizing about cheating, one or both of the couple chooses to break off the relationship and then it is over. This is ok, as the children are raised by the women and their family, including their several uncles. People often cite the need for good male role models in our society, but under theirs, the dead beat dad situation doesn't need to harm the children. They'll have plenty of uncles to emulate.

Men and women both work for the good of their respective households. There is thus larger households and more of a sense of community and sharing, like we have in our families and neighborhoods, not scary authoritarian communism. This culture, among other pieces of evidence, proves to me and others than our system of marriage is an integral component of our economic system. If we changed to the Mosua method of reproduction, it would change how we see going to a job 40+ hours per week to maintain so many separate households and the resources that they require. The Mosuo system is perhaps less useful as a tool of social control for owners to harness the labor of others to get rich. Why work your life away acquiring so much stuff when you can work less and hang out with the cool people you love? I couldn't help but notice how happy the Mosuo people seemed compared to how we seem, generally.

Children need our time, effort and resources, so there must be a social system to support them if we are to survive and thrive. Where we go wrong is enshrining one system over another as some absolute truth, shutting out alternative systems.

Our roles are defined by the system. What we should ask ourselves is which system benefits us and our children the most? Which system aligns with the ways we truly are? Does our current system account for our behavior or place demands on us that we so often fail to live up to?

Matriachies were more common in the past and it appears that part of the package of Abrahamic religions was to replace them with patriarchies. They are more conducive to external control, economic and religious. Matriachies appear to be less useful for power over others types as they are more community based, less economically desperate, and are in less of an emotional need for saviors to fix their problems. Notice how male oriented the Abrahamic religions are? Women are the backbone of matriachies. In these Abrahamic religions, they are virtual slaves, or second class citizens at best. This is no accident.

Marriages in patriarchies, in contrast with matriachal mating situations like the Mosuo, keep women dependent on men for their economic needs. This leads to all of the possessive behaviors in sexuality. Women don't want their men to leave them without economic support, so they are in fear of being abandoned for another woman. Men don't want to raise someone else's kids with their hard spent time and effort, so they too guard their sexual partner to make sure she does not cheat. The Mosuo don't have to fear this economic situation, so they can embrace a different system. I couldn't help but notice how happy they seemed. I talked about the Mosuo in my reply to my original post.

We already assume girls to be girls and boys to be boys at birth and most people assume all babies and children to be straight as default so allowing a 5 year old to have an opinion about themselves is already a step in the right direction.

Straight is the natural assumption because that is indeed natural. Not in a negative way, but homosexuality is an abnormality by definition.

You do not assume things to be abnormal.

But you should assume things can be abnormal, and accept that things aren't always uniformly the way you imagine.

Why would you expect something to be abnormal?

Because when you deal with a large enough sample size, there will always be outliers, and pretending there won't be is foolish

Comments like this are the reason i like you, Jesus =)

Mostly yes, but bovine hormones are not the same as human hormones.

You can't see the forest for the trees mate.

Can't add spice without a bit of controversy!

Because when you deal with a large enough sample size, there will always be outliers, and pretending there won't be is foolish