It's not even subtle anymore. Think about binaural beats and that level of audio, how the brain interprets intermittent left/right channel audio, how the brain interprets processed audio (delays/echoes, reverb, distortion, compression, etc.) and then begin to realize that a lot of high end pop studios (Katy Perry, et al.) have the top of the line equipment when it comes to signal processing.
You really think they don't know how to make the music affect your brain?
The end result could simply be to get you to get "addicted" to their music, or it could be more sinister. I don't know, but what I do know is that those processes have an effect on the brain in different ways to put your brain into different states; states such as alpha, beta, delta and theta.
Much like hypnosis, once your brain is in an altered state it's much more easily suggestible and influenced, and thus if there's any subliminal message in the music it can go right past the consious barrier into the subconscious where it then runs as a program -- again I don't know what conclusions, maybe it's buy more stuff, you're not good enough unless you make more money, work harder, be a slave. Those are mostly in jest, but the reality is music is a driving force for many people. How many people listen to music regularly?
Came here to say this, some people notice and some people can not. But at this point they barely try to hide it.
Music videos are the worst offenders in this situation now. That is where they place a lot of symbolic programming and subliminal messages. At least that is what I think.
binaural beats i believe have to be listenned to unobstructed by other sounds for long periods of time to work. so in other words, not compatible with pop. you have to do something like put a 50 hz sine wave inone ear, and 55 hz sine wave in the other ear to get 5 hz in the middle. if you have anything going on on top of that, it would cancel out the effect. also, most pop music has traditionally been made with the bass below a certain frequency (100 hz maybe?) in mono because records wouldnt track correctly with the stereo panned bass.
most pop music has traditionally been made with the bass below a certain frequency (100 hz maybe?) in mono because records wouldnt track correctly with the stereo panned bass.
The needle would jump out of the vinyl tracks. Not an issue CD lasers or mp3 decoders have to struggle with.
The other reason you still usually don't pan your bass sounds much is because low frequencies are much harder to localize for the ear than high frequency noises.
binaural beats i believe have to be listenned to unobstructed by other sounds for long periods of time to work. so in other words, not compatible with pop. you have to do something like put a 50 hz sine wave inone ear, and 55 hz sine wave in the other ear to get 5 hz in the middle.
You can also use a normal track and run it through a filter to achieve the same effect, it doesn't have to be a sine curve. (Cooledit 2000 had such a function, and Paulstretch can do it too).
Anyone else hallucinate phone alerts? Ill feel vibrations when nothing happened, hear my phone beep or vibrated like I got a message, and the weirdest one, I had my phone in my back left pocket I felt a vibration in my front right pocket (where my phone would usually be). Checked and I had a messsge.
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Yeah, they do this. Music producers are very clever, they can sell shite by the millions using various tricks. Another one for example is using riffs/melodies that are perfect for mobile phone speakers as everyone has one. I've been on buses where some teenagers at the back have been playing "music" on their phones and its clearly audible throughout the whole bus because the notes are optimised for them. I asked my friend who's currently doing a degree in pop music production and he confirmed this and even listed off a load of examples.
I've noticed the ring tone thing in tv commercials, also.
I have also noticed that every time a commercial uses one, my dad automatically checks his cell phone.
Interesting and disturbing at the same time.
It's to make the viewer identify with the situation or character in that moment. So when it happens, immediately ask yourself why they would want you to identify with what's going on. Oh, a terrorists cell just went off and you thought it was yours? Guess what that makes you? That's right, a subvert. Agent Ressler's? That's right, you're a lawful authoritariton now
You mention chord progressions.
They are not the only way to manipulate music.
The beat is another avenue of manipulation.
These days, the 'Amen Break' is a very popular beat that is being used in the hip hop world of music.
The no talent "Hick Hop" country is loaded with subliminals. The stations are playing the National Anthem three or more times a day. Most of the song are glorifying getting drunk and doing Stupid Shit, beer commercials that mention the actual brand, red neck 'Murica mentality and uneducated views of the world.
I wrote a thing about the overuse of Queen's bohemian rhapsody in film to psychopathologize people in a pavlovian association with hyperviolence, and it was severely downvoted as were all the comments. CLearly it struck a nerve with authoritarians---as it was VERY much intended. EDIT: The best example (had to look this up) will be this summers 'suicide squad' and 'hardcore henry'...it's the line 'nothing really matters to me'...but it could also be the chord progression thing mentioned.
Are you familiar with the Laurel Canyon conspiracies? The LA/west coast music scene was basically started by a bunch of CIA/military brats. Kept a lot of people in a haze for a decade or so, and then many of the originals died of drug overdoses.
Zappa was at the heart of a lot of it. His house in the canyon was called "The Cabin" where he had huge parties/orgies. The name "Cabin" is silly, because it was this HUGE house. 2000sf 3 story living room type place.
This one really hit me hard. I loved a lot of that music (even though I am younger) but now see how it was used maliciously.
They couldn't have the youth counter culture/anti-war movement gaining any momentum on its own, they needed to infiltrate and co-opt it from the top down and steer it in their own direction. What else is new?
I do not listen to the more modern music but I can tell you how this audible suggestion stuff can jar me out of whatever I'm ever doing. I often have the insipid TV on for a poor choice of background noise. There is some $&@?ing dating site commercial that makes the same damn tone I get when I get texts from my kids. I immediately jump for the phone. I even changed there text chimes but it's too late, that damn commercial has me permanently programmed
Same with police sirens in songs, radio ads, or television commercials. They use the fight or flight response tobdraw in your full attention to whatever's being said. Now, whether that works or not probably depends on the person; some will get irritated, some will buy into it. Fight or flight, respectively.
One thing I hate most of all is watching conspiracy related videos and at the beginning there's barking dogs, sirens, remote gunfire, helicopter noise, screaming babies, etc. I use this now as a metric of whether its legit or not. Because there is no need for the fear porn, and in fact, if you use fear porn I'm not going to take you seriously ever, because of the pavlovian association attempt. Who doesn't overuse fear porn?
Corbett report
Mae Brussell in her archive never did
BFP, Newsbud, alternative media that is actually trying to be professional
Alex jones uses it half of the time. I wish he'd quit
To the point of turning off the radio or t.v. One time I was driving to work and almost drove into a ditch because a car ad used the alarm clock sound. It's so awful!
Brings me to the age old question:
Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?
I ask that because, maybe instead of manipulating the audience etc, the core elements / functions of music is actually a 'translation' process by which the subtle is brought out into the foreground more comprehensively.
Ask yourself what music is in a nutshell.. Just frequencies being collected/concentrated together and (depending on processing) honed via format/source.
But music is literally not contained as we are interpreting variables to perception/tuning of almost infinite patterns that are constantly (without barrier) affecting reality and literally transforming the world at a macro level.
In the future beats music scene, it is not uncommon to use sounds from anything (including phones, computers, programs) in production. It is not used maliciously.
You are describing musical 'hooks' which work by involving the listener in the composition. Using temporal geometry one can map and appropriate these hooks. Ask me if you'd like more detail.
I had posted in another thread regarding the Eagles of Death Metal, how they're from the Cali desert, etc etc.. a simple rock n roll band, how could they be used for evil?
After thinking about all the shit that goes on in the desert, and some of the shit Jesse Hughes has been spouting off.. Could they be controlled? I'd like to think not, but you never know.
It's not so subtle.
music itself is mind control. repetition. patterns.
You can't be neutral when there is a pattern.
And if you are not neutral then you are pulled from your center.
You sway from side to side.
You become belligerent.
It's one of the oldest tricks in the book sorta speak.
But lately they have become more bold. There are some who aren't even trying to hide the "magic"
I have heard some other smartphone sounds, like ringtones, in other songs, but I can't seem to recall those. So if you know some, please post them below.
EDM producers/DJs drop lots of these in their songs/mixes to mess with people. It isn't a conspiracy, just some trolling.
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20 holographical 2016-03-29
It's not even subtle anymore. Think about binaural beats and that level of audio, how the brain interprets intermittent left/right channel audio, how the brain interprets processed audio (delays/echoes, reverb, distortion, compression, etc.) and then begin to realize that a lot of high end pop studios (Katy Perry, et al.) have the top of the line equipment when it comes to signal processing.
You really think they don't know how to make the music affect your brain?
The end result could simply be to get you to get "addicted" to their music, or it could be more sinister. I don't know, but what I do know is that those processes have an effect on the brain in different ways to put your brain into different states; states such as alpha, beta, delta and theta.
Much like hypnosis, once your brain is in an altered state it's much more easily suggestible and influenced, and thus if there's any subliminal message in the music it can go right past the consious barrier into the subconscious where it then runs as a program -- again I don't know what conclusions, maybe it's buy more stuff, you're not good enough unless you make more money, work harder, be a slave. Those are mostly in jest, but the reality is music is a driving force for many people. How many people listen to music regularly?
10 FORKinmyDICK 2016-03-29
Came here to say this, some people notice and some people can not. But at this point they barely try to hide it.
Music videos are the worst offenders in this situation now. That is where they place a lot of symbolic programming and subliminal messages. At least that is what I think.
3 mr-gupples 2016-03-29
binaural beats i believe have to be listenned to unobstructed by other sounds for long periods of time to work. so in other words, not compatible with pop. you have to do something like put a 50 hz sine wave inone ear, and 55 hz sine wave in the other ear to get 5 hz in the middle. if you have anything going on on top of that, it would cancel out the effect. also, most pop music has traditionally been made with the bass below a certain frequency (100 hz maybe?) in mono because records wouldnt track correctly with the stereo panned bass.
2 Akareyon 2016-03-29
The needle would jump out of the vinyl tracks. Not an issue CD lasers or mp3 decoders have to struggle with.
The other reason you still usually don't pan your bass sounds much is because low frequencies are much harder to localize for the ear than high frequency noises.
You can also use a normal track and run it through a filter to achieve the same effect, it doesn't have to be a sine curve. (Cooledit 2000 had such a function, and Paulstretch can do it too).
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1 mr-gupples 2016-03-29
so i guess you could say, the record wouldnt track correctly.
2 Kubomi 2016-03-29
Binaural beats only work significantly through headphones because the separate wavelengths need to be isolated to either hemisphere of the brain.
1 HITLERS_SEX_PARTY 2016-03-29
then why aren't we all addicted to T Swizzle and K Perry music?
11 awareness1111 2016-03-29
Preston Nichol's book "The Music of Time" might be a great read for you, OP.
There's PDF's out there for download, for a quick G**gle search.
He explains (partially) how music & sound can (and is) manipulated for various purposes.
2 SebastianOrt 2016-03-29
Dude, why did you censor the word 'Google'? (or giggle)
1 awareness1111 2016-03-29
Because I knew it would make you type the word "giggle", which makes me happy:).
Giggle.
1 SebastianOrt 2016-03-29
Dammit, now I feel manipulated.
2 awareness1111 2016-03-29
My work here is done:).
10 whipnil 2016-03-29
https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/46hryl/premise_raves_and_edm_festivals_are_being_used_by/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/427f7e/music_festivals_harvesting_spiritual_energy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/36xkrd/strange_happenings_regarding_edm_festivals_raves/
9 HiveNode 2016-03-29
Anyone else hallucinate phone alerts? Ill feel vibrations when nothing happened, hear my phone beep or vibrated like I got a message, and the weirdest one, I had my phone in my back left pocket I felt a vibration in my front right pocket (where my phone would usually be). Checked and I had a messsge.
Damn, brains are weird.
3 OcculusResurrectio 2016-03-29
;)
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6 JK07 2016-03-29
Yeah, they do this. Music producers are very clever, they can sell shite by the millions using various tricks. Another one for example is using riffs/melodies that are perfect for mobile phone speakers as everyone has one. I've been on buses where some teenagers at the back have been playing "music" on their phones and its clearly audible throughout the whole bus because the notes are optimised for them. I asked my friend who's currently doing a degree in pop music production and he confirmed this and even listed off a load of examples.
3 edjani29 2016-03-29
That's just a good mixdown/mastering, there's no conspiracy there.
3 Akareyon 2016-03-29
A stack of compressors and limiters isn't "good mixdown/mastering"; it's a loudness war.
6 kuzism 2016-03-29
I noticed a random tinnitus ear ringing sound during shows like Breaking Bad and House of Cards and these are shows that I binge watch.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2016-03-29
Ah yes, the "anxiety hum" thats' in TV these days.
4 Knotdothead 2016-03-29
I've noticed the ring tone thing in tv commercials, also.
I have also noticed that every time a commercial uses one, my dad automatically checks his cell phone.
Interesting and disturbing at the same time.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2016-03-29
It's to make the viewer identify with the situation or character in that moment. So when it happens, immediately ask yourself why they would want you to identify with what's going on. Oh, a terrorists cell just went off and you thought it was yours? Guess what that makes you? That's right, a subvert. Agent Ressler's? That's right, you're a lawful authoritariton now
3 zyklorpthehuman 2016-03-29
Don't remember what song but I heard the iphone 'message sent' noise in a rap song the other day.
3 CovertJared 2016-03-29
The recording industry puts appealing sounds in their music? Stop talking crazy.
3 Knotdothead 2016-03-29
You mention chord progressions.
They are not the only way to manipulate music.
The beat is another avenue of manipulation.
These days, the 'Amen Break' is a very popular beat that is being used in the hip hop world of music.
3 jimmyb207 2016-03-29
The no talent "Hick Hop" country is loaded with subliminals. The stations are playing the National Anthem three or more times a day. Most of the song are glorifying getting drunk and doing Stupid Shit, beer commercials that mention the actual brand, red neck 'Murica mentality and uneducated views of the world.
3 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-03-29
"Cant be the Niggaz For Life Crew, with a white jew telling you what to do..."
3 911bodysnatchers322 2016-03-29
I wrote a thing about the overuse of Queen's bohemian rhapsody in film to psychopathologize people in a pavlovian association with hyperviolence, and it was severely downvoted as were all the comments. CLearly it struck a nerve with authoritarians---as it was VERY much intended. EDIT: The best example (had to look this up) will be this summers 'suicide squad' and 'hardcore henry'...it's the line 'nothing really matters to me'...but it could also be the chord progression thing mentioned.
3 netskink 2016-03-29
Lol I'm reminded by Zappa's quote loosely paraphrased. "Music has a lot of love songs. If music had any effect on us we would all love each other."
Note I'm not disagreeing that the music industry is trying to manipulate people. I'm just saying good luck with that.
5 billioninmillions 2016-03-29
Are you familiar with the Laurel Canyon conspiracies? The LA/west coast music scene was basically started by a bunch of CIA/military brats. Kept a lot of people in a haze for a decade or so, and then many of the originals died of drug overdoses.
Zappa was at the heart of a lot of it. His house in the canyon was called "The Cabin" where he had huge parties/orgies. The name "Cabin" is silly, because it was this HUGE house. 2000sf 3 story living room type place.
This one really hit me hard. I loved a lot of that music (even though I am younger) but now see how it was used maliciously.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread861138/pg1
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2016-03-29
They couldn't have the youth counter culture/anti-war movement gaining any momentum on its own, they needed to infiltrate and co-opt it from the top down and steer it in their own direction. What else is new?
1 aw4ke182 2016-03-29
what bands are from that la/westcoast scene you speak of?
2 kingcubfan 2016-03-29
Prob pay big bucks to get them implanted in there.
2 OffbeatArchives 2016-03-29
I do not listen to the more modern music but I can tell you how this audible suggestion stuff can jar me out of whatever I'm ever doing. I often have the insipid TV on for a poor choice of background noise. There is some $&@?ing dating site commercial that makes the same damn tone I get when I get texts from my kids. I immediately jump for the phone. I even changed there text chimes but it's too late, that damn commercial has me permanently programmed
2 CantStopWhitey 2016-03-29
Same with police sirens in songs, radio ads, or television commercials. They use the fight or flight response tobdraw in your full attention to whatever's being said. Now, whether that works or not probably depends on the person; some will get irritated, some will buy into it. Fight or flight, respectively.
2 911bodysnatchers322 2016-03-29
One thing I hate most of all is watching conspiracy related videos and at the beginning there's barking dogs, sirens, remote gunfire, helicopter noise, screaming babies, etc. I use this now as a metric of whether its legit or not. Because there is no need for the fear porn, and in fact, if you use fear porn I'm not going to take you seriously ever, because of the pavlovian association attempt. Who doesn't overuse fear porn?
Alex jones uses it half of the time. I wish he'd quit
1 chillmorebeersnow 2016-03-29
To the point of turning off the radio or t.v. One time I was driving to work and almost drove into a ditch because a car ad used the alarm clock sound. It's so awful!
2 Theres_A_FAP_4_That 2016-03-29
It's a great theory my friend. I've found myself bopping to Selena Gomez when I'm a huge Tool fan. I never knew why... maybe this is the key.
2 GanaMana 2016-03-29
Brings me to the age old question: Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?
I ask that because, maybe instead of manipulating the audience etc, the core elements / functions of music is actually a 'translation' process by which the subtle is brought out into the foreground more comprehensively.
Ask yourself what music is in a nutshell.. Just frequencies being collected/concentrated together and (depending on processing) honed via format/source.
But music is literally not contained as we are interpreting variables to perception/tuning of almost infinite patterns that are constantly (without barrier) affecting reality and literally transforming the world at a macro level.
TLDR: Your body is a tuning fork.
2 Wood_Warden 2016-03-29
In the future beats music scene, it is not uncommon to use sounds from anything (including phones, computers, programs) in production. It is not used maliciously.
https://soundcloud.com/oshi/call-me
https://soundcloud.com/foolsgoldrecs/giraffage-hello
There are many more, just can't remember them atm.
1 drewshaver 2016-03-29
Brilliant observation. I've noticed these tones sneaking in to today's pop songs but never understood the reason. Thanks!
1 captain_teeth33 2016-03-29
You are describing musical 'hooks' which work by involving the listener in the composition. Using temporal geometry one can map and appropriate these hooks. Ask me if you'd like more detail.
1 sladygaga 2016-03-29
Lady Gaga's 'Applause' features iPhone ringtones too... I noticed it a while ago.
1 muzoid 2016-03-29
Whenever I hear the message tone on my phone, I usually feel dread and worry.
1 kraftwerkd 2016-03-29
I had posted in another thread regarding the Eagles of Death Metal, how they're from the Cali desert, etc etc.. a simple rock n roll band, how could they be used for evil?
After thinking about all the shit that goes on in the desert, and some of the shit Jesse Hughes has been spouting off.. Could they be controlled? I'd like to think not, but you never know.
1 VinceVenom 2016-03-29
Uh, yeah. It's called marketing.
Marketing is basically 95% psychology
1 HITLERS_SEX_PARTY 2016-03-29
when my fone rings I get angry about the intrusion..I rarely answer. PLEASE DON'T CALL ME!
1 NonThinkingPeeOn 2016-03-29
It's not so subtle. music itself is mind control. repetition. patterns. You can't be neutral when there is a pattern. And if you are not neutral then you are pulled from your center. You sway from side to side. You become belligerent.
1 Tad23 2016-03-29
A guy in my college class 15 years ago pointed out a random tone used in one of madonnas songs. American pie I think it was.
1 oxide-NL 2016-03-29
is this even a conspiracy still?
It's one of the oldest tricks in the book sorta speak. But lately they have become more bold. There are some who aren't even trying to hide the "magic"
Like this track for example G-eazy - I Mean it
This one really pulls all the tricks in one package
-2 CelestialWalrus 2016-03-29
EDM producers/DJs drop lots of these in their songs/mixes to mess with people. It isn't a conspiracy, just some trolling.
EDIT: Also, are you sure this isn't just a sine?
-2 jonnyopinion 2016-03-29
By making a few adjustments to the original text, I was able to come up with: https://justpaste.it/sqin
I do not think this is a coincidence.