Stop calling people sheep, it makes you sound like a fool. I understand that you're saying, but that attitude is counter productive to our cause and makes outsiders look down on us.
I could look to any book for RFID information, but you recommend a 2000 year old "paste-n-pray" field book written by sheep herders. What version of the Bible will show me that tiny radio frequency transponders are the "mark of the Beast" claimed in Revelation. Even the Catholic church doesn't support the idea that Revelation must be interpreted, or was anything beyond a 'vision.' They certainly don't claim that it is a book of prophecy, anymore.
You are using subjective truth and trying to push it onto us as objective truth. Expect resistance. We don't have the same delusions as you, therefore your 'truth' is not 'the truth,' or 'our truth.'
How do you define worship? Is it merely thought, about an idea or a subject? Does it require some physical aspect, such as chanting, kneeling, or singing?
How does one define what 'the beast and his image' is in modern day society? Is it just materialism? Is it people turning away from religion?
Depending on how you define worship, what makes an idea, or object, into a 'god?'
Have you ever heard people suggest that Revelation was written about current rulers (the Romans) and cultures at that time? That the symbolic language has particular meaning relevant to the author and his century?
I would go with lithium, but not sand. Sand is a term, like fish, used to describe a 'common object,' that under closer scrutiny, is anything but common. There are so many types of sand, some with gold in them.
But gold, is an elemental metal. It's the nitrogen of metals, gently holding on to other chemicals, being ever careful not to actually mess with any of them. Additionally, it's quite rare. And we use it in the production of many products. I filter my tea with gold (1%).
That's where many deduce the value of gold. A basic equation for it:
Usefulness * Rarity = Value.
Who says the white man is worth more money than the black man?
You'd have to ask dead slave traders, or owners of professional sports teams, that one.
Is deciding that Jesse Jackson should be paid less than Jesse Helms (I vomited) for the same job, the same as deciding that that particular white man is worth more money?
Keep living in your box
It's called an Econoline Van, and this is MY river.
it's easy to tell society is FUCKED.
Well, yeah. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Come now. You didn't think I chose lithium randomly, did you?
Maybe in the coming years everyone will know how to make it out of basically nothing.
That would be awesome, but I doubt we will find a method that will allow us to convert, say, 2 tons of sand into some amount of lithium that will provide more power than what was used to perform the conversion. Because if we could do that, we could fly to the moon for fun.
You don't know what information they withhold from us
Literally, by definition.
maybe lithium will be useless.
There are some bright, hot, masses that would disagree, if they could.
Usefulness * rarity = value so sad dude
What's sad about an example equation for how the value of gold is calculated? It's not precise, but it's accurate. It's a fundamental concept of supply and demand. Just replace Usefulness with Demand.
they limit what we have and how much we have.
That's a lot of 'theys,' but I get what you are saying. For some resources, they are literally limited. Rhodium, palladium, platinum, gold, helium, etc. They are rare, useful, (in demand) and therefore, valuable.
It could be that the moon is entirely made of golden lithium, just 2km below the surface, and they've been keeping that from us. It's possible, but not very likely. I certainly won't waste time sending Ben Affleck to the moon to drill for me.
They say oil is high valued because we have none right?
It depends on where you live. There's a sizable amount of oil underneath me. Quite a bit more to the south. But it's cheaper to use our expats in Saudi Arabia to ship the royalty's oil to us (That clusterfuck is for another time.) In actuality, we (the US) do have sizable oil in reserve, but the exact figures for it are obfuscated.
I've never believed oil is rare. I think at one time, it was, and to some extent is, costly to refine. I think that so many industries depend on oil products, that, in many cases, don't have readily available substitutes. The oil industry has a largely captive market, and they're going to screw that market out of every dime they can. That's "good capitalistic business" to some.
It's even admitted that they use speculation to define market prices/caps, aka hearsay in a courtroom; Not evidence. But that's how the beheaded chicken stumbles. We try to move to a better energy solution, just to watch the feds fuck over startups in order to keep the Oil monopolies in play. It's an ongoing battle.
You are listening to what they teach in school
I certainly did, but they don't want functional adults coming out of any public education system. Hell, it wasn't even designed for that. Corporations were the first to declare that such a system was needed, and they were the one's funding it before the fed stepped in again.
The public education system is designed to create consumerist children that are unable to properly live, without constant assistance from the state. That's its current form.
Fortunately, I realized such while still in HS. I was one of the few that was able to make that system bend to my interests (tort states are cool) and give me more than it ever intended to.
listen to your heart
cue the music
what does it say?
Well the organ just follows a rhythm that doesn't seem to be an attempt at communication. Perhaps SETI could help me out on that one.
If you are asking me to listen to my conscience, then I can assure you that I do. At the moment it tells me: "This is a waste of your time. You should be programming." but I don't let it make my decisions for me. I still apply my own logic and reasoning to each situation as they emerge, just like most of us do.
I admire your passion, but I feel it is misplaced. Tell us about the harm to our privacy if we allow ourselves to be chipped. Talk about the issues of how such a chip could even be used in a secure manner for identification or authentication. To me the argument is right in line with biometrics, which is a wonderful way to replace a username in an authentication system. But it's a terrible way to replace a password, as so many implementations try to do. Your fingerprint, left carelessly about your environment, is the worst kind of password one could have, one known by a casual observer.
In the same way, RFID is great for identifying a product quickly, assuming that the RFID chip was properly installed, and it matches the actual product. RFIDs as a method of identifying individuals will work, but there are so many problems with it. I could block my signal with modifications that never touch the chip itself. I could place equipment in a glove that would make my RFID read as if it were someone else's. Could I become someone else by simply cloning their RFID? If so, can you say rampant crime?
And perhaps that's the goal, and the point you are trying to get across. But please, remove it from its religious aspects. It's literally the stumbling block in your argument, as I see it.
RFID has been in use for a very long time already. We have been using it to track people in office buildings since the early 2000's. RFID is also used to track tools and inventory in places where debris is highly controlled and the transactions are automated.
It's not the technology that you should be worried about but how people intend to use the technology. RFID could easily have the same qualities of NFC. But you are so stuck on the "RFID" term that you would disqualify NFC.
In other words... Technology isn't inherently evil. You can't attribute one specific type of technology as being the harbinger of some religious apocalypse.
The issue with prophecy is that it can be misconstrued to mean different things to different people. You and 100 other people can read a line or versus of prophecy and each of you will have your own interpretation.
For you to use biblical prophecy as evidence to your argument displays your lack of understanding. During the time of the plague people would have considered the disease to have been the mark of the devil. Others have used this term to burn individuals and accuse them of witchcraft later in history.
Today you are interpreting these words to demonize technology you are in fear of. You aren't any different from the zealots of the ages past.
For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. [Interesting correlation there between Simon Magus and the terminology of 'make him stand.']
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
How will they get the chips inside us without us noticing? Even if they figure out a way who is going to willfully and secretly administer these chips into every citizen without word getting out to the public?
No offense or not bashing the topic or claim. But that is literally what people use to discredit conspiracy theories "oh did you see it on a youtube video?". Just saying...I personally think its fine, but you say a perfect example and then just say go search for it yourself.
Lol okay...can see you're full of shit now. I was merely making an observation/comment and then agreed with what you said. Then you ramble like a crazy person.
Present your argument in a not fear-mongering & "I am superior" way - I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you or be down to discuss it, if you didn't come off like a looney.
You think you know what heaven & hell is...you don't know shit none of us do. To even pretend you do speaks volumes about the craziness in your head.
I know what an RFID chip is, my company use them for the door entry system... I am asking how anyone can secretly fit a chip into all 318.9 million US citizens? How will they do it? What's the rationale behind it? There will be public outrage if such plans ever come out.
To be honest we're already carriyng chips around everywhere we go. It tracks where you are, who you are, who you're talking to, what you're interested in and it also has a microphone to listen to what you're doing. Oh yeah the mobile phone... I don't think planting chips into anyone is going to work... It's to obvious.
I understand what you're trying to do, I know you want to help, but you seem a little misguided... Science has governed that you cannot do all these things with a simple RFID chip, I don't know where you're getting your information from. You have to start providing evidence if you want people to take you seriously.
Using God and religion as an example for evidence will not get you very far. There is no hard evidence that a God exists or that any religion is nothing more than a dream somebody had thousands of years ago. For all we know Christianity could have been created by one man on an accidental mushroom trip 50,000 years ago. It certainly seems that far-fetched to me.
You've never even read the Bible and you're slinging all these God-fearing sayings around here like people are going to go to hell if they get a chip implanted in their arm?
I'm not wrong, it is everybody else that is wrong...yeah ok buddy. Where is your proof? All you have done is throw speculation out there and then criticized anybody who disagrees...that isn't what this sub is supposed to be about
Sorry, but---what? Your position regarding a Biblical description of RFID chips manipulating feelings and thoughts is simply unfounded. The tyranny of conviction is at hand.
666 THE MARK OF THE BEAST. I remember all those 2006 youtube videos with slide shows of the pyramid on the dollar bill and bohemian grove owl.
I could be wrong here, but RFID technology doesn't seem to have the scalability for the internet of things. The "chip" you're going to get is a lot more complex than simple RFID.
Not to feed into this but the FDA is starting to use RFID chips, there are even companies trying to make a combo-product that uses RFID either through injection or oral solid dosage.
You are right. They are using them in a lot of hotel policies. That last one I worked at as head of security, officers were told to tag there RFID buttons with the back of there phones to show they where at that location. They have to do way more good before being accepted though.
Yeah people are now using braclets with RFID to get people in and out of events as well. They just need to keep finding the little things until it is in all things.
I was also a Christian for a brief time when I was young until I conclusively proven to myself that Hell cannot exist as a concept and the God of the Bible(at least old testament) is sketchy as fuck.
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Shit there is already a tiny device that can travel through our veins and listen to our brain. Military first then the rest of us. What if they can already hear our thoughts and the biggest challenge they face is parallel construction... Remember DeepVine?
It's perfectly logical, to them. [Circular logic is its name]
[My god] is the only god. If I make war in his name, and die, I am a righteous man in the eyes of my god. Bombing this bus is an expression of love and servitude to my god, and my fellow believers.
I have love for humanity hence why I am here trying to shed light on this stuff.
And that is a good reason to want to enlighten others, but you must realize where the limits are between assisting in another's struggle to determine the truth, and forcing an ideology on other's as the 'only truth.'
I have no race, I do not discriminate against anyone.
I'm a human that loves humans, but I discriminate. If I have my child in my arms, everyone else is an evil bastard, until she's secure. I don't honestly believe it, but I make sure to prioritize my child over everyone else. I discriminate against everyone that is not in my social circle, as well, because I prefer discussions with my friends & family. But not always, hence, reddit.
Suicide bombers have it wrong somewhere.
Heh. Indeed they do.
God doesn't talk to me I just have decided what is right and I am rewarded when I do right things.
That sounds like living morally, to me. What is 'right action' can sometimes be difficult to ascertain, but as long as you are making your own decisions, and realize that, there's no harm in believing you are rewarded for being 'right' or 'moral.' I don't believe there is an intrinsic reward to such. I think society has to provide it at the individual level. For example:
I see a broken down vehicle on the side of the highway. They have their emergency flashers on, and I can tell that it is a family. I'm in no rush, so I pull over and try to help them out.
It turns out that they just needed a working jack. I let them borrow mine, and they are able to swap to a spare tire, and go about their business.
I never ask their names. They never ask mine. They thank me for my assistance, and we part ways.
Perhaps a deity makes a mark in a book, at that point. All I can say for sure is, that family is probably more likely to assist someone else in that same situation. I have no proof, because we're dealing with the collective free will of that family.
Maybe they stop the next time they see a similar situation. Perhaps they are able to help someone out. Perhaps they fall for a ruse and the whole family gets buried in the desert.
Assuming the latter case, did they make the right decision when they chose to stop and help others? Did I?
show everyone on r/conspiracy the truth and getting shit on for it.
I'm well versed in the Bible, and am familiar with the passages you reference. The path is not wide and easy. You can find similar sentiment from the Tao Te Ching and other books removed from the teachings of Abraham.
However, you should know that what man believes to be 'the truth' may not be, as the wisdom of man is not comparable to the wisdom of god (what might be better termed, 'special knowledge.')
So which truth is 'the truth?' We can't honestly tell, or this would all be so much easier. The claim is that the Spooky Ghost will work his ways into a person's heart, where the 'truth' is revealed to them. It all depends on the flavor of Christianity, but the basic idea is the same.
To me, this is a distributed delusion that receives verification from believer and non-believer, alike.
"They don't believe in my truth... because the Spirit has not revealed it to them, yet..." or
"They believe in my truth, and WTF is Mackabees? Praying for the dead to enter the kingdom from purgatory... wtf? They don't believe in my truth because Satan is deceiving them."
Either side can use these tactics all day, and accomplish nothing. So I ask, what's the point of having all the religion on top of the message?
God knows I wouldn't kill a man.
I hope I never have to, but I'd take one to save one.
Yes, that is definitely the current evolution of a word that means 'deceiver.' Do you know where that word comes from, or how it came to use in that form?
you seemingly have no idea what the fuck you are reading.
a 2000 year old "paste-n-pray" field book written by sheep herders.
But I do.
I like what you have to say but I believe you should attempt to research it...
Alright. Done.
I am not well versed on the bible. But I know for a fact what I went through was very real.
But it's impossible to fully communicate it to someone else, isn't it. You can talk about it, describe it to others, but you can't encapsulate the whole of it to anyone else. What was it? A divine encounter?
Asking questions in church is what started my 'enlightenment.' Eventually their answers were held together by their interpretation of 'god's word' while admitting that such an ability was beyond them.
That's like getting a new car from a dealership, and going home with a bucket of parts. From those parts I built the 'hotrod of disbelief' in my mind, and I've been unable to be convinced since then.
It's basically noble to try to lead others out of a perceived path to harm. I don't fault you for that at all. I just don't believe that any objective truth needs an attachment to religion.
I know what an RFID chip is, my company use them for the door entry system... I am asking how anyone can secretly fit a chip into all 318.9 million US citizens? How will they do it? What's the rationale behind it? There will be public outrage if such plans ever come out.
No offense or not bashing the topic or claim. But that is literally what people use to discredit conspiracy theories "oh did you see it on a youtube video?". Just saying...I personally think its fine, but you say a perfect example and then just say go search for it yourself.
Yes, that is definitely the current evolution of a word that means 'deceiver.' Do you know where that word comes from, or how it came to use in that form?
you seemingly have no idea what the fuck you are reading.
a 2000 year old "paste-n-pray" field book written by sheep herders.
But I do.
I like what you have to say but I believe you should attempt to research it...
Alright. Done.
I am not well versed on the bible. But I know for a fact what I went through was very real.
But it's impossible to fully communicate it to someone else, isn't it. You can talk about it, describe it to others, but you can't encapsulate the whole of it to anyone else. What was it? A divine encounter?
For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. [Interesting correlation there between Simon Magus and the terminology of 'make him stand.']
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
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9 disposable182 2016-03-29
Stop calling people sheep, it makes you sound like a fool. I understand that you're saying, but that attitude is counter productive to our cause and makes outsiders look down on us.
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3 jarxlots 2016-03-29
IDK how I missed that, yesterday. Are you a Unitarian?
9 jarxlots 2016-03-29
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11 jarxlots 2016-03-29
I could look to any book for RFID information, but you recommend a 2000 year old "paste-n-pray" field book written by sheep herders. What version of the Bible will show me that tiny radio frequency transponders are the "mark of the Beast" claimed in Revelation. Even the Catholic church doesn't support the idea that Revelation must be interpreted, or was anything beyond a 'vision.' They certainly don't claim that it is a book of prophecy, anymore.
You are using subjective truth and trying to push it onto us as objective truth. Expect resistance. We don't have the same delusions as you, therefore your 'truth' is not 'the truth,' or 'our truth.'
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7 duckshoe2 2016-03-29
Yes, those words were written by members of the the sheepherding culture. Your point being?
7 jarxlots 2016-03-29
How do you define worship? Is it merely thought, about an idea or a subject? Does it require some physical aspect, such as chanting, kneeling, or singing?
How does one define what 'the beast and his image' is in modern day society? Is it just materialism? Is it people turning away from religion?
Depending on how you define worship, what makes an idea, or object, into a 'god?'
Have you ever heard people suggest that Revelation was written about current rulers (the Romans) and cultures at that time? That the symbolic language has particular meaning relevant to the author and his century?
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2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
I would go with lithium, but not sand. Sand is a term, like fish, used to describe a 'common object,' that under closer scrutiny, is anything but common. There are so many types of sand, some with gold in them.
But gold, is an elemental metal. It's the nitrogen of metals, gently holding on to other chemicals, being ever careful not to actually mess with any of them. Additionally, it's quite rare. And we use it in the production of many products. I filter my tea with gold (1%).
That's where many deduce the value of gold. A basic equation for it:
Usefulness * Rarity = Value.
You'd have to ask dead slave traders, or owners of professional sports teams, that one.
Is deciding that Jesse Jackson should be paid less than Jesse Helms (I vomited) for the same job, the same as deciding that that particular white man is worth more money?
It's called an Econoline Van, and this is MY river.
Well, yeah. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
Come now. You didn't think I chose lithium randomly, did you?
That would be awesome, but I doubt we will find a method that will allow us to convert, say, 2 tons of sand into some amount of lithium that will provide more power than what was used to perform the conversion. Because if we could do that, we could fly to the moon for fun.
Literally, by definition.
There are some bright, hot, masses that would disagree, if they could.
What's sad about an example equation for how the value of gold is calculated? It's not precise, but it's accurate. It's a fundamental concept of supply and demand. Just replace Usefulness with Demand.
That's a lot of 'theys,' but I get what you are saying. For some resources, they are literally limited. Rhodium, palladium, platinum, gold, helium, etc. They are rare, useful, (in demand) and therefore, valuable.
It could be that the moon is entirely made of golden lithium, just 2km below the surface, and they've been keeping that from us. It's possible, but not very likely. I certainly won't waste time sending Ben Affleck to the moon to drill for me.
It depends on where you live. There's a sizable amount of oil underneath me. Quite a bit more to the south. But it's cheaper to use our expats in Saudi Arabia to ship the royalty's oil to us (That clusterfuck is for another time.) In actuality, we (the US) do have sizable oil in reserve, but the exact figures for it are obfuscated.
I've never believed oil is rare. I think at one time, it was, and to some extent is, costly to refine. I think that so many industries depend on oil products, that, in many cases, don't have readily available substitutes. The oil industry has a largely captive market, and they're going to screw that market out of every dime they can. That's "good capitalistic business" to some.
It's even admitted that they use speculation to define market prices/caps, aka hearsay in a courtroom; Not evidence. But that's how the beheaded chicken stumbles. We try to move to a better energy solution, just to watch the feds fuck over startups in order to keep the Oil monopolies in play. It's an ongoing battle.
I certainly did, but they don't want functional adults coming out of any public education system. Hell, it wasn't even designed for that. Corporations were the first to declare that such a system was needed, and they were the one's funding it before the fed stepped in again.
The public education system is designed to create consumerist children that are unable to properly live, without constant assistance from the state. That's its current form.
Fortunately, I realized such while still in HS. I was one of the few that was able to make that system bend to my interests (tort states are cool) and give me more than it ever intended to.
Well the organ just follows a rhythm that doesn't seem to be an attempt at communication. Perhaps SETI could help me out on that one.
If you are asking me to listen to my conscience, then I can assure you that I do. At the moment it tells me: "This is a waste of your time. You should be programming." but I don't let it make my decisions for me. I still apply my own logic and reasoning to each situation as they emerge, just like most of us do.
I admire your passion, but I feel it is misplaced. Tell us about the harm to our privacy if we allow ourselves to be chipped. Talk about the issues of how such a chip could even be used in a secure manner for identification or authentication. To me the argument is right in line with biometrics, which is a wonderful way to replace a username in an authentication system. But it's a terrible way to replace a password, as so many implementations try to do. Your fingerprint, left carelessly about your environment, is the worst kind of password one could have, one known by a casual observer.
In the same way, RFID is great for identifying a product quickly, assuming that the RFID chip was properly installed, and it matches the actual product. RFIDs as a method of identifying individuals will work, but there are so many problems with it. I could block my signal with modifications that never touch the chip itself. I could place equipment in a glove that would make my RFID read as if it were someone else's. Could I become someone else by simply cloning their RFID? If so, can you say rampant crime?
And perhaps that's the goal, and the point you are trying to get across. But please, remove it from its religious aspects. It's literally the stumbling block in your argument, as I see it.
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1 jarxlots 2016-03-29
You're preaching to the choir.
6 Balthanos 2016-03-29
RFID has been in use for a very long time already. We have been using it to track people in office buildings since the early 2000's. RFID is also used to track tools and inventory in places where debris is highly controlled and the transactions are automated.
It's not the technology that you should be worried about but how people intend to use the technology. RFID could easily have the same qualities of NFC. But you are so stuck on the "RFID" term that you would disqualify NFC.
In other words... Technology isn't inherently evil. You can't attribute one specific type of technology as being the harbinger of some religious apocalypse.
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3 Balthanos 2016-03-29
The issue with prophecy is that it can be misconstrued to mean different things to different people. You and 100 other people can read a line or versus of prophecy and each of you will have your own interpretation.
For you to use biblical prophecy as evidence to your argument displays your lack of understanding. During the time of the plague people would have considered the disease to have been the mark of the devil. Others have used this term to burn individuals and accuse them of witchcraft later in history.
Today you are interpreting these words to demonize technology you are in fear of. You aren't any different from the zealots of the ages past.
5 dutchbob1 2016-03-29
well, if you can't beat them, perhaps join them.
just bought this puppy (OC) http://imgur.com/a/olWHk
planning to insert it in my hand
2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
...there was no fur... none. Not even a tail wag.
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5 dutchbob1 2016-03-29
Thanks!
since I'm from Amsterdam, I'll probably meet a lot of old friends there...
1 jarxlots 2016-03-29
[Rebuke mode engaged]
4 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
How will they get the chips inside us without us noticing? Even if they figure out a way who is going to willfully and secretly administer these chips into every citizen without word getting out to the public?
3 shitbric 2016-03-29
When money doesn't exist anymore. And if you want food from the new FEMAlbertsons.
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6 FORKinmyDICK 2016-03-29
No offense or not bashing the topic or claim. But that is literally what people use to discredit conspiracy theories "oh did you see it on a youtube video?". Just saying...I personally think its fine, but you say a perfect example and then just say go search for it yourself.
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3 FORKinmyDICK 2016-03-29
Lol okay...can see you're full of shit now. I was merely making an observation/comment and then agreed with what you said. Then you ramble like a crazy person.
Present your argument in a not fear-mongering & "I am superior" way - I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you or be down to discuss it, if you didn't come off like a looney.
You think you know what heaven & hell is...you don't know shit none of us do. To even pretend you do speaks volumes about the craziness in your head.
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1 FORKinmyDICK 2016-03-29
YOU are giving me nothing. Those resources and tools were there before this post and will continue to be there. You already lost us man, sorry.
1 sleaze_bag_alert 2016-03-29
You haven't "tried to prove" anything. You just rattled off an opinion with no sources...
5 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
I know what an RFID chip is, my company use them for the door entry system... I am asking how anyone can secretly fit a chip into all 318.9 million US citizens? How will they do it? What's the rationale behind it? There will be public outrage if such plans ever come out.
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3 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
To be honest we're already carriyng chips around everywhere we go. It tracks where you are, who you are, who you're talking to, what you're interested in and it also has a microphone to listen to what you're doing. Oh yeah the mobile phone... I don't think planting chips into anyone is going to work... It's to obvious.
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7 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
Oh come on RFID can not track your thoughts and emotions!
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3 EndlessCompassion 2016-03-29
I design control systems. Show me even an abstract flow chart of how this could ever work.
2 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
I understand what you're trying to do, I know you want to help, but you seem a little misguided... Science has governed that you cannot do all these things with a simple RFID chip, I don't know where you're getting your information from. You have to start providing evidence if you want people to take you seriously.
Using God and religion as an example for evidence will not get you very far. There is no hard evidence that a God exists or that any religion is nothing more than a dream somebody had thousands of years ago. For all we know Christianity could have been created by one man on an accidental mushroom trip 50,000 years ago. It certainly seems that far-fetched to me.
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3 jflippen 2016-03-29
You've never even read the Bible and you're slinging all these God-fearing sayings around here like people are going to go to hell if they get a chip implanted in their arm?
2 sleaze_bag_alert 2016-03-29
I'm not wrong, it is everybody else that is wrong...yeah ok buddy. Where is your proof? All you have done is throw speculation out there and then criticized anybody who disagrees...that isn't what this sub is supposed to be about
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1 jarxlots 2016-03-29
I'd watch it. I mean, if I couldn't reach the remote, I'd stare at it.
2 Brofoulity 2016-03-29
I feel like we have a master pot stirrer on our hands.
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1 Brofoulity 2016-03-29
I feel like you would say that.
2 ouroboric 2016-03-29
Sorry, but---what? Your position regarding a Biblical description of RFID chips manipulating feelings and thoughts is simply unfounded. The tyranny of conviction is at hand.
2 TheHottestBoy 2016-03-29
https://unitedagainstmindcontrol.wordpress.com/
They don't need a chip to control your thoughts and emotions.
1 Rockran 2016-03-29
Sorry, in the process of dropping the upvote I hit the downvote. Whoopsies so clumsy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Don't ask for upvotes.
So a 2011 story on hotels using RFID for their intended purpose, just in towels. How incredibly shocking.
What's the difference between getting an RFID implanted vs. carrying your wallet and keys, or using biometrics?
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5 Rockran 2016-03-29
How is that religiously rationalized?
In god's nine eyes, is an RFID any different than stapling your ID to your arm?
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7 sleaze_bag_alert 2016-03-29
The guy who believes he is speaking for God is calling other people brainwashed...
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2 logarath 2016-03-29
So just get one on your foot or arm and you should be fine.
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1 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-03-29
Lay off the rule 10 violations if you wish to continue participating here.
4 DrDougExeter 2016-03-29
rfid chip is not mark of the beast
3 know_comment 2016-03-29
666 THE MARK OF THE BEAST. I remember all those 2006 youtube videos with slide shows of the pyramid on the dollar bill and bohemian grove owl.
I could be wrong here, but RFID technology doesn't seem to have the scalability for the internet of things. The "chip" you're going to get is a lot more complex than simple RFID.
1 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-03-29
Not to feed into this but the FDA is starting to use RFID chips, there are even companies trying to make a combo-product that uses RFID either through injection or oral solid dosage.
1 newharddrive 2016-03-29
They do not need to implant chips as long as you carry your phone.
1 shitbric 2016-03-29
You are right. They are using them in a lot of hotel policies. That last one I worked at as head of security, officers were told to tag there RFID buttons with the back of there phones to show they where at that location. They have to do way more good before being accepted though.
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1 shitbric 2016-03-29
Yeah people are now using braclets with RFID to get people in and out of events as well. They just need to keep finding the little things until it is in all things.
1 adrixshadow 2016-03-29
I really like that the Christians are mad about this.
It's one of the few true resistance we have to this schemes.
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1 adrixshadow 2016-03-29
I was also a Christian for a brief time when I was young until I conclusively proven to myself that Hell cannot exist as a concept and the God of the Bible(at least old testament) is sketchy as fuck.
To me its Old Order versus New Order.
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11 dontlistentodre 2016-03-29
Guys, he's talking to AI. Who's the sheeple now...?
0 CichlidDefender 2016-03-29
Shit there is already a tiny device that can travel through our veins and listen to our brain. Military first then the rest of us. What if they can already hear our thoughts and the biggest challenge they face is parallel construction... Remember DeepVine?
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2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
It's like the last thoughts that go through a suicide bomber's mind.
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3 jarxlots 2016-03-29
It's perfectly logical, to them. [Circular logic is its name]
[My god] is the only god. If I make war in his name, and die, I am a righteous man in the eyes of my god. Bombing this bus is an expression of love and servitude to my god, and my fellow believers.
And that is a good reason to want to enlighten others, but you must realize where the limits are between assisting in another's struggle to determine the truth, and forcing an ideology on other's as the 'only truth.'
I'm a human that loves humans, but I discriminate. If I have my child in my arms, everyone else is an evil bastard, until she's secure. I don't honestly believe it, but I make sure to prioritize my child over everyone else. I discriminate against everyone that is not in my social circle, as well, because I prefer discussions with my friends & family. But not always, hence, reddit.
Heh. Indeed they do.
That sounds like living morally, to me. What is 'right action' can sometimes be difficult to ascertain, but as long as you are making your own decisions, and realize that, there's no harm in believing you are rewarded for being 'right' or 'moral.' I don't believe there is an intrinsic reward to such. I think society has to provide it at the individual level. For example:
I see a broken down vehicle on the side of the highway. They have their emergency flashers on, and I can tell that it is a family. I'm in no rush, so I pull over and try to help them out.
It turns out that they just needed a working jack. I let them borrow mine, and they are able to swap to a spare tire, and go about their business.
I never ask their names. They never ask mine. They thank me for my assistance, and we part ways.
Perhaps a deity makes a mark in a book, at that point. All I can say for sure is, that family is probably more likely to assist someone else in that same situation. I have no proof, because we're dealing with the collective free will of that family.
Maybe they stop the next time they see a similar situation. Perhaps they are able to help someone out. Perhaps they fall for a ruse and the whole family gets buried in the desert.
Assuming the latter case, did they make the right decision when they chose to stop and help others? Did I?
I'm well versed in the Bible, and am familiar with the passages you reference. The path is not wide and easy. You can find similar sentiment from the Tao Te Ching and other books removed from the teachings of Abraham.
However, you should know that what man believes to be 'the truth' may not be, as the wisdom of man is not comparable to the wisdom of god (what might be better termed, 'special knowledge.')
So which truth is 'the truth?' We can't honestly tell, or this would all be so much easier. The claim is that the Spooky Ghost will work his ways into a person's heart, where the 'truth' is revealed to them. It all depends on the flavor of Christianity, but the basic idea is the same.
To me, this is a distributed delusion that receives verification from believer and non-believer, alike.
"They don't believe in my truth... because the Spirit has not revealed it to them, yet..." or
"They believe in my truth, and WTF is Mackabees? Praying for the dead to enter the kingdom from purgatory... wtf? They don't believe in my truth because Satan is deceiving them."
Either side can use these tactics all day, and accomplish nothing. So I ask, what's the point of having all the religion on top of the message?
I hope I never have to, but I'd take one to save one.
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2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
Yes, that is definitely the current evolution of a word that means 'deceiver.' Do you know where that word comes from, or how it came to use in that form?
But I do.
Alright. Done.
But it's impossible to fully communicate it to someone else, isn't it. You can talk about it, describe it to others, but you can't encapsulate the whole of it to anyone else. What was it? A divine encounter?
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1 jarxlots 2016-03-29
Asking questions in church is what started my 'enlightenment.' Eventually their answers were held together by their interpretation of 'god's word' while admitting that such an ability was beyond them.
That's like getting a new car from a dealership, and going home with a bucket of parts. From those parts I built the 'hotrod of disbelief' in my mind, and I've been unable to be convinced since then.
It's basically noble to try to lead others out of a perceived path to harm. I don't fault you for that at all. I just don't believe that any objective truth needs an attachment to religion.
0 DrDougExeter 2016-03-29
You're really dropping some knowledge!
5 illBoopYaHead 2016-03-29
I know what an RFID chip is, my company use them for the door entry system... I am asking how anyone can secretly fit a chip into all 318.9 million US citizens? How will they do it? What's the rationale behind it? There will be public outrage if such plans ever come out.
6 FORKinmyDICK 2016-03-29
No offense or not bashing the topic or claim. But that is literally what people use to discredit conspiracy theories "oh did you see it on a youtube video?". Just saying...I personally think its fine, but you say a perfect example and then just say go search for it yourself.
2 jarxlots 2016-03-29
Yes, that is definitely the current evolution of a word that means 'deceiver.' Do you know where that word comes from, or how it came to use in that form?
But I do.
Alright. Done.
But it's impossible to fully communicate it to someone else, isn't it. You can talk about it, describe it to others, but you can't encapsulate the whole of it to anyone else. What was it? A divine encounter?
5 dutchbob1 2016-03-29
Thanks!
since I'm from Amsterdam, I'll probably meet a lot of old friends there...
1 jarxlots 2016-03-29
[Rebuke mode engaged]