I just need to vent this obvious Reddit conspiracy: I believe many $hillary supporters are being paid to troll.

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That sounds very similar to what happens in the major subs to any post that is unflattering to Israel.

Yeah, I just experienced that yesterday. /r/Israel won't let go of cultural bias and cognitive dissonance easily.

This is why I recommend 7 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms alone in silent darkness to help clean up that third eye. Helps to perceive reality clearly without the inherent bias that we get while being part of a certain group.

I lose my shit on psychedelics. Is there any other way to open my third eye? Or are shizo's damned from transcendence? Almost always become too overstimulated and worried. :(

Meditation along with good diet and exercise habits. Seriously.

To expand on this, I know it's a bit controversial, but self hypnosis might help too. It takes time and it's the same as meditation but I've seen it work before.

you are already transcended. the only steps you have to take are in becoming comfortable with yourself and who you are, understanding and accepting your own limitations (and those of others), meditating on dissolution of the self, and doing what makes you happy!

making actions out of love for other people is great, too. it is basically a meditation on altruism if you do that, and helps open the third eye. : -)

I can't take lsd because of my paranoia and schizophrenic effects. I really love shrooms tho. If u ever get ur hands on some start with a gram or so, wait an hour or two and see how you feel and then take more until you don't want any. I have gone up to 5gs like this and felt perfectly amazing. I try to do it 3 or 4 times a year to "defrag"

I would first recommend a mindfulness practice to take control of Your mind/senses and get to where no thoughts are running/ruining Your consciousness. Next step I would recommend transcendental meditation. There are some that report DMT like experiences after a certain level of proficiency in TM.

If You don't have time, You could try MDMA and psilocybin together. MDMA will keep You feeling good while the psilocybin does the healing energy work.

Let's clarify something. Psilocybin is a tool, much like a hammer, a screwdriver, or some nails. If you hold the hammer in your hand with a few nails in your pocket, and take no action, nothing will get built. You have to put in some work too. Eating drugs, or combinations thereof, WILL NOT cause spiritual awakening in and of themselves. The drugs are a conduit for self-driven experience.

You're absolutely right. It takes actual work to achieve the goal. The work of reading, contemplating, meditating, living, experiencing, choosing, doing, failing, suffering, understanding, adjusting, removing self-imposed limitations and learning to create and manifest desirable experiences for Self and Others. There's a lot of work to be done, drugs are merely tools.

When the distinction between the Self and the Other is no longer apparent, great things happen.

I used Self and Other in reference to creating desirable experiences in our consensus "reality". Believe me I understand about Oneness, I've been there with an overdose on LSA. Knowing it doesn't make one a perfect saint automatically. There are still groups of people I must allow myself to forgive who've caused me pain and suffering in life (freight brokers come to mind). Karma, Causality (cause/effect) make sense when one has experienced the Oneness. You're only ever hurting aspects of the Self when in ignorance, derived from the limitations of the human mind, we think we are separate and hurting others. Of course negative actions come back, because You're hurting Your Self. Nobody is outside the Oneness of all creation, both manifested and unmanifested.

Good stuff, DasChemist. Also, you can very well smash your thumb with a hammer as well as build a bookcase. The effectiveness of a tool is up to the user.

I like the smashing your thumb bit, Good stuff. Trip with discipline folks, and love always! Love is the key to the destruction of the Dominator Paradigm!

Man, you've got it figured out. ;)

vipassana.org holosync the dive wearing headphones blindfold for an hour

Prying open my third eye

Or a strip of LSD

I took 750 seeds of LSA last December. 400 is considered a massively heavy dose. I don't recommend that. Depersonalization/Derealization is the worst thing that can happen to one following a gargantuan dose.

I recommend going light. Especially with non-DMT based psychedelics such as LSD/LSA. I prefer DMT based psilocin (4-hydroxy-DMT) because DMT is already endogenous in our body. Mushrooms are the best in my experience.

LSA as in morning glory seeds? Because as far as I know, thats about as far removed from an acid trip as robotripping.

It was an extraction from untreated Heavenly Blue Morning Glory Seeds. I can't comment on how similar LSA and LSD are since I have no experience with LSD. It is the erowid.org description of LSA and people's trip reports that claims similarities between the two experiences.

As someone who has tried both, they most certainly not the same. Not even close.

Well, I wish I knew that. Because the only reason I tried LSA was reading erowid and thinking it was similar to LSD which has many glowing endorsements as a healing, transformative and transcendental experience. I won't be doing any psychedelics any time in the future. DP/DR is like tripping without drugs coupled with horrible anxiety, panic attacks and existential terror. I think it's just plain old blue pills for me like modafinil from now on.

yea i dunno i've gotten prettty insanely spaceship mindfucked off of chewing a huge amount of morning glory seeds. lol

Oh no shit, so have I. I'm not saying you don't fry balls (you will). But the overall experience is nothing like LSD.

to me it's sort of like the "come up" feeling of LSD, which is maybe why people think it's like LSD.

They're definitely related chemically but as I understand LSA is a heavier trip with less desirable side effects than LSD. I've no experience with LSA firsthand though, so take my words with that massive grain of salt.

I've had friends that tripped on an LSA extraction though who had a bad time. LSD trips, however, seem enjoyed by more people.

If only it was LSD I took. I probably would have take a lower ug first because there is so much information about dosages online regarding LSD. Some people might wonder wtf is wrong with me to take the extraction of 750 seeds. I honestly didn't know about the dosages and since it was my first extraction with any substance I didn't even know/believe if it was going to work. I followed the directions for extraction to the letter but just due to ignorance and inexperience with the substance I really went overboard and took way too much.

You are brave

Not really. I was desperate. The 3 months before I took the LSA I was suffering from a physically painful depression that made me suicidal because I just wanted the pain to stop in my heart and brain. I understood then why people commit suicide. Most don't want to quit the world. People want the unbearable pain to stop. It gave me an incredible understanding and compassion for people suffering this way.

In those 3 months prior I tried to get mushrooms from people I met and knew and nobody came through for me. If I had taken a psilocybin dose it would have cured my depression for the next 18 months as it has in the past. Instead I now have Depersonalization/Derealization disorder which I have to take modafinil and hemp oil for to keep my symptoms under control. It's really sad that one of the best if not the best anti-depressant drug (psilocybin) is not available legally for people that are suffering. I really hope Bernie gets into office as he has as vowed to end the war on drugs.

Bernie or mushrooms won't save you. A healthy lifestyle and less self pity and self diagnosis will. You can't just wholly depend on consuming mushrooms to not get depressed. Sure they help but you can't depend on them for it. Go find a hobby and a physical activity and cut out the self pity bullshit.

Right. I'm sure he's never thought of that before. Thanks for pointing out that it really is that easy

I don't pity myself. I'm just describing the facts.
It is easy to say go find a hobby and physical activities when my job during the time working 18 hour days as an over the road truck driver and staying on the road for 3 months at a time meanwhile only to return home and still be broke because the job doesn't pay enough.
I've recently sold my truck and am now lookin for another job outside the deregulated trucking industry that has been going down hill since deregulation in the 80s. This trend of blaming people for suffering is not good. Describing reality honestly is not self pity. I'm sorry You feel that it is. Many on this planet suffer far worse under this global corporate fascist police state.

No one is blaming you for suffering. I'm just saying that the way you word things and blame external forces sounds like you refuse to take any personal responsibility. It's not healthy to have the mindset of "the only thing that can fix me is mushrooms because the world is unfair." self pitying and defeating behavior is temporarily gratifying but not a solution to a problem. I'm just saying, try to stay open minded rather than focusing in on one solution for your self pity party.

Edit: also I worked as a freight broker so I can tell you that your sob story about an unregulated trucking industry is bullshit. Plenty of drivers make tons of money and certainly don't drive 18 hours a day which is illegal.

Wow, a freight broker. It makes sense now that You're a person with zero compassion for others. Please don't drag me into a pointless exercise of will and facts which You would lose as I have unlimited time to eviscerate ignorance with knowledge and wisdom.
Over my 12 year driving career I've talked to many "brokers" and they're professional liars by default. I've pulled loads that the broker gets paid $12,000 for sitting on his ass answering phones and only pays the owner operator $2000 who has to drive a heavy load across mountains with snow and ice. Meanwhile it is truckers who do %99 of the work and suffer a shortened life span (17 years) by virtue of just living this lifestyle (stress, shitty food, not enough time off etc.) let alone never have a real home life, family and friends. 18 hour days is normal if You want to turn miles. Old School truck drivers do not run Regs because they can't afford to. The only reason the DOT was created was to force the wholesale creation of massive monopolies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/28/trucking-used-to-be-a-ticket-to-the-middle-class-now-its-just-another-low-wage-job/

Owner operators went from making doctor level income before deregulation to barely making ends meet and running 10 to 11 months out of the year. When operating costs are over $1.00/mile yet brokers want to pay $1.3 to $1.5 per mile when company drivers make minimum $0.40/mile You come here claiming good money? You're delusional or a liar. Minimum freight charge for dry van should be $2.50 and we still wouldn't be where it was in 1980 if adjusted to inflation which would be $3.60 today. Brokers are the reason this industry sucks and truckers aren't making any money. You've directly profited from the corporate fascist policies of deregulation and the suffering of others. Trucking is the worst job in this country and the only industry i know of without a minimum wage. Try going over the road for 11 months out of the year and come come broke and tell me this industry is awesome. Please, this is just me venting a fraction of my capacity. Why are You even in /r/conspiracy? I think /r/hailcorporate might be better for someone of Your character and nature.

Peace, Love & Aliens ; )

Lol wow, way to label people based on a job, that really matches your open minded peace and love hippy narrative. First off, no one forced you to be a truck driver. Either way, I know plenty of drivers that locked down dedicated routes, with my assistance and/or others, and made thousands a week working 3 to 4 days. The fact that you weren't motivated enough to build relationships and network in an industry completely built around such is your fault and your fault alone. Although with your shit attitude and victim complex it makes a lot of sense as to why you wouldn't be able to build a good relationship with a logistics coordinator, broker, or customer. The government doesn't owe you for your failures at your job. Routes are paid for based on supply and demand. Your numbers are complete and utter bullshit. During winter in Buffalo for example you can't pay anyone enough money to do certain routes.You exemplify everything that is wrong with sad unmotivated Sanders supporters that think he'll save them with free shit. Get a grip, homie.

Oh, and read your Bible and stop fapping!

~Juan Begass Hole

really hope Bernie gets into office

HAHAHAHAHA! Hilarious!

Reality Chart

Bernie Sanders' favorable rating in National polls was only 4% last year January and now is at 44% and the chart shows a gradual steady climb while Shillary's approval rating is dropping like the Panama Papers on billionaires.

This is despite the corporate infotainment propaganda networks consistent attacks and slander against Bernie Sanders over the past year. He's still rising in National Polls. I'm no stock trader but if I was, I know which trend I'd be betting on in this race. Don't be so quick to pretend to know the future, because reality might come and kick You in the nuts (just ask Hitler).

1---he has no chance

2---he has ZER0 UNDERSTANDING of basic economics. His 'plans' would double the current national debt of 20 TRILLION dollars, and bankrupt the country. Do you understand that?

#SmellTheBum

Do You understand the 30 years between 1950 and 1980 the tax for giant corporations was 91% and after deductions they paid around 50%.
Ever since Reagan and deregulation aka the advent of corporate fascism (minority rule) we have seen corporations pay less and less and now most pay nothing. Ever heard of /r/PanamaPapers? Not only does he know exactly what he's doing and we will actually get OUT OF DEBT when the corporate fascists start paying their taxes but we can even have enough left over to guarantee a universal basic income. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/07/panama-papers-taxes-universal-basic-income-public-services#img-1

Just go back to the Donal Drumpf or Shillary circle jerk, I'm sure You're being missed.

You are outta yer mind if you think that commie grandpa will be the figurehead of the most powerful country that ever lived. Rich white people run this shit.

jewish grandpa, mind You.

Can't wait until it happens and all You unenlightened, uneducated, ignorant, bigoted apes lose your shit as You did when Barack Hussein Obama won the presidency.

bahaahhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

as a trucker driving all over the country I got to witness all variety and manner of hillbilly, roughneck, redneck and white trash lose their collective retard minds when a black man named BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA was elected in the "most powerful country that ever lived". How dumb are You man? countries aren't people, they don't "live"? I'm just fucking with You, I don't hate You retards. It's just hilarious, because fuck is evolution on this planet ever so slow. One day You're going to die and when You do please tell Your spirit guide I said "Next time, don't be a cunt".

You sound drunk...maybe you need to eat something and chill the fuck out. How much 'enlightenment' has 0bama brought you? Dumbass. Weren't you whining in another thread about working so hard and having nothing to show for it? Yeh, 0bama has really brought that 'hope and change' you losers were crowing about, huh?

SmellTheBum

I never voted/supported Obama. I did however, enjoy the shit out of all the dummies losing their shit.

Your logic is so flawed. You don't think an old white jew can be elected in the United States. Meanwhile in our current reality and past we have a black man as president and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. If that is possible than anything is possible. God Bless The Republic of the United States of America. If You actually knew anything about "Citizens United" and how it enables the elites to buy elections legally and that Bernie Sanders will overturn this corporate fascist ruling, would You then realize that neither Shillary nor Drumpf will ever do so as they serve the corporate elite. Go read some Panama Paper news man, You're speaking out of turn and in complete ignorance.

why keep bringing up the Jewish angle? I never did. Barry is the whitest black man that ever lived, he don't even count. Hate the man, not the slightly tan skin color. It's Hillary's turn to be President. #SmellTheBum

Shillary is an establishment candidate to the core who will only perpetuate the status quo of the corporate fascist police state elite. You're so delusional man. It's clear You've never read a book in Your life on any of the issues and lack any historical context. The Clinton's are one of the most corrupt shills of the New World Order ever.
Clinton perpetuated reaganomics (NAFTA) during his term which has destroyed the working class, middle class and increased income inequality by benefiting the 0.1% and outsourcing jobs through globalization. You think You're a patriot yet You support globalist NWO candidates that are destroying every last vestiges of the Republic (rule of law) and thereby the Constitution. Just look at the treasonous "patriot act", the "NDAA", "citizens united". Ahhhh who am I kidding, You don't do research, You don't think, You don't read. Just keep on watch Faux News, CNN, MSNBC etc.

haha you thought I was a shill for Shillary...got you good, son, admit it. I hate ALL the candidates, Cruz the least.

#SmellTheBum

Man, are You prepped enough in that bunker, son? Better stock up now before the black helicopters and fema camps.

Are there any in Hawaii? I'd prefer to die there.
Can I have dibs on the Hawaii FEMA camp?

the entire island(s)...kinda hard to flee.

Who would want to flee Hawaii?

Did You make that? If yes, I suggest switching to a different class of drugs

Man, You must love that guy since You talk and post about him a lot.

I like that one. No context, pure nonsense, what's not to love about the Internet?

Now if only Putin was wearing a checkered black and white and looked like Netanyahu, it would be apropos.

Holy shit, Netanyahu looks like a young Harrison Ford Indiana Jones in that picture.

Netanyahu is corporate fascist zionist criminal fuck but damn it's hard to get mad at that picture.

Ummm, that looks like a "cosmopolitan" version of Ahmadinejad. Definitely not Your type, bro.

damn that's insane. Looks like a vintage Calvin Klein model.

You print these out and keep them close?

Nah, I have an advanced computer with 'Google' function. You've probably never heard of it.

no man, google? I'll have to check that out on my Google Nexus phone.

With mass surveillance now approaching 100%, there will be no need for camps.

#SmellTheBum

A 1/4 oz of shrooms will clean out just about everything, I expect.

Sure but psychedelics are not a magic pill towards ultimate Self realization and piece of mind. They are great for people who need help now to heal from some form of physical or mental trauma, however they must be respected, understood and taken only with the proper intent set and setting. If one takes psychedelics and then does not endeavor to develop a daily spiritual practice of some sort then it's kind of a moot point. The goal ought to be greater wisdom, understanding and ultimately compassion which will bring Piece of Mind.

This is what I've learned from my experience with LSA and Depersonalization/Derealization.

The love of self cannot proceed, so long as the judgement of others is not released. We are all One.

Helps to perceive reality clearly

I agree, but at the same time I find it comforting to allow yourself to see reality as inherently subjective, then you can let go of the resentment of how others perceive it.

I hold no resentment. If You read up on Depersonalization/Derealization which is what I have now after LSA, the suffering of existential terror gives one a first row seat into this "reality" and after produces an enormous amount of compassion. As a matter of fact if I encounter someone who claims to suffer from DP/DR yet still carries and displays judgements and resentments towards "the other" chances are they are not experiencing DP/DR. DP/DR to me feels like all matter/energy is all one consciousness and Oneness that we are really only fragments of the same totality. The anxiety and fear comes from feeling like all of this consensus "reality" is one infinitely looping fractal pattern out of one's control and feeling disassociated from ones incarnation aka avatar (human existence) on earth and it not feeling real but a projection/thought. Others also seem unreal as the physical mind falsely perceives the Oneness meaning my consciousness is the only authentic and co-creating one and everything else is "fake". I wouldn't wish this existential terror on those we think are the worst of us on Earth. I do believe we are all One, but the human mind cannot integrate this in real time which causes this DP/DR. I do think this is a possible reason we invented morality and religion. To try to be more magnanimous to each other as an effort to live the Oneness in our daily lives. Unfortunately, this original human effort (religion) has been corrupted and now resides solely with ego driven petty aspects of the Self.

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Yeah, I'm clearly a total asshole by treating others with respect and offering more than a short half ass answer.

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I'm just a shill too obviously. There, I solved Your problems. You no longer need to ever read or listen to anything I have to write/say. I'm here to serve.

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"hogging"? how is that even possible on reddit where anyone can create their own subreddit? From where I'm sitting, all I'm doing is connecting with people and having conversations and answering replies. You're the one being rude right now as You're wasting my time because I actually take my time to answer this non-issue You're complaining about.

Whether or not you are a shill is not the issue. Assuming you are a regular dude who is not trying to hide information, you are doing the work of a shill for free, which is worse than actually shilling, imo. So, it doesn't even matter what your intentions are here; the effect is the same.

This would be an example of "forum sliding." This is similar to manipulating search results. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-04-30/do-reputation-management-services-work-businessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

People don't normally go past the first page of a google search. Similarly, most people are not going to get past your walls of irrelevant text.

Those walls of irrelevant text are irrelevant to YOU. Somebody REPLIED to me and asked a question. I replied back.
Get over it, dude. You're being ridiculous, seriously. Over a year on Reddit and I've not ever encountered this horseshit argument.
Now I'm starting to think, You're shilling because You're wasting my time. Go into my timeline and see I've got no love for Shillary and their hired distraction Drumpf. So that link is worthless and a shitty premise. Your time would be better spent on /r/PanamaPapers than harassing me.

I get that you derailed the conversation in a fair way. Someone asked you a question and you decided to respond with an enormous amount of replies. The issue is why would you want to do this? Who cares if you were not the original person who started the derailing effort. Why participate?

What is Your perception of this world and let alone reddit? Mine is like this. Biosphere earth has an incarnation vehicle called humans. Souls/consciousness incarnate in the talking monkey to experience material life. Monkeys have ego and self determination and do whatever the fuck they want until killed by nature or another monkey displeased by their activities. Sorry about this wall of text. This monkey enjoys communication over the Internet. Feel free to kill monkey to end said communication.

I'm not here to make enemies, but sometimes it is very frustrating to see people going right along with destroying the integrity of this website. Unwittingly, I'm sure. My apologies for the harsh words. Hopefully you realize how important it is to educate people about all of this hidden propaganda and advertising they are constantly subjected to. Vast amounts of people are totally vulnerable and even among those who know about this, few care at all.

I was happy to see this topic on as the top post here, and actually expected the comments to be a forum slide. It is still annoying to see, nonetheless.

"it is very frustrating to see people going right along with destroying the integrity of this website."

Really? Did You just join the site? You're a little too late now. Sorry, but here I'll pretend You're a subscriber of /r/conspiracy and have never seen How Reddit Was Destroyed 3.0

[sigh]

Ah, so since the site is only 10 percent of what it used to be, we might as well participate in the destruction of the vestiges of it. There is still plenty of room for information sharing, which is why I'm here. And that is also probably why you're here...unless....

In fact, I once saw a shill whistleblower justify his efforts because the site had already gone downhill. "Who cares," he thought. He needed a paycheck and he also needed to justify his unethical behavior to himself so he could sleep at night.

And no, I don't want to discuss my previous accounts and all of that, or have an argument about who has been here the longest. That would be a waste of time.

Honestly man, I really don't give a shit what people believe since beliefs are for stupid people who do not think for themselves. I'm not here to crusade for anyone, neither for nor against reddit.
To me this site is a path towards connection with people. I've lived long enough on the fringes of society the past 12 years as an over the road trucker that I have very few real world friends and even those are people that I either worked for or with at some point. I joined a little over a year ago and the site was already fucked by then. I had no say in it. Now people throw around the word "shill" like it's no big deal. I have no interest in proving or disproving anything. I'm honestly expressing myself and what I see happening in reality from my perspective. That's all one can expect of anyone. Divide and conquer, problem-reaction-solution, shill this, shill that, it's all being used to control the narrative in every form of media including reddit. One should expect this given the globalist predicament.

I get your point, and mostly agree, except for the fact that this specific topic is so important that one should not carelessly drown out the words of the last 2 or 3 people who actually care about helping others realize this site is heavily manipulated.

Everything is heavily manipulated so long as financial tyranny exists, the people that are being squeezed by the 0.1% and barely have resources to survive will always be susceptible to being bought and corrupted. There are few people in this age that have unwavering principles and quality character that refuse to compromise with those only serving themselves (evil).

That is so true. On every decent-sized thread discussing shills, there are always a couple people asking how they can get a shilling job. There is no shortage of workers here.

This is why I support a guy like Bernie Sanders who wants to increase the income of the working people in the country. Only when people are comfortable enough and not constantly stressing over bills and how to feed themselves can they actually raise their heads above the gutter and focus on intellectual topics and not just survival. This is all by design. Keep the surfs barely surviving and busy working 2 or 3 jobs working over 60 hours a week so they never have time to figure out how they're getting fucked by the 0.1%.

SEVEN grams?! I'm sticking with five, max -:)

Depends on your body weight, but be careful at that level.

Yeah I'm 5 '11 1/2 240lbs. My wife is tiny and she took 7 grams too and after we got into the "inside out clarity" she wanted to go higher. I was fine because I learned the lessons I came to learn and had the realizations that I needed ate the time.

Good for you. Some people can handle doses that high, but a lot can't. Have you tried DMT? I've been lucky to do DMT over 100 times and make it a big part of my life.

Here's my entire psychedelic history:

  • one does of 3.5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms alone.
  • roughly 2 years later, another psilocybin mushroom trip with 7 grams each with my wife.
  • Dec/2015 approx. another 2 years later, the worst/best trip ever all in one. extraction of 1500 Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds total (took 750 each with my wife)

EDIT:

  • A fellow redditors comment about Salvia made me remember that I did in fact take that on two occasions and each was smoking a bowl of 80x extract. I really don't consider it a "psychedelic" experience for me personally because each time I had no conscious recollection of what happened during the trip although I filmed myself and was apparently enjoying myself. All I remember is the comedown which had unpleasant "return to body" effects that caused me anxiety for 3 hours after the trip.

So no DMT. Not for a lack of trying, but as an over the road trucker between 12/2004 and 12/2015 I never had a real life and no real friends in Metro Detroit where I live. I originally heard of DMT from Joe Rogan (of course I did). Which led me to read (well actually listen on audible) Rick Strassman's book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" and other books like "Supernatural" by Graham Hancock and I watched the DMT documentary on Netflix. I was fascinated with DMT for a long time but could never manifest it in my reality so to speak. And I never wanted to risk ordering from the internet as I value my "freedom" in the open air consumer zoo versus prison. I wish I did that instead of LSA, I'd probably be just fine now since DMT doesn't alter one's own sense of self from what I've read. Do You mind sharing Your most profound insights into reality and the human condition from Your consciousness traveling using DMT?

That's awesome that you read "Supernatural" by Hancock! It's one of the books I recommend most on this subject; I think he does a great job showing the likely reality of shamanism for an empirical perspective. The other really fantastic one is "The Cosmic Serpent" by Jeremy Narby.

For anyone not familiar with this subject, here's the documentary he referred to, "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk

I'm actually currently in the early stages of working on a web site with another redditor about the DMT phenomenon! I have hundreds of trip stories collected and some stuff written. It's really difficult to reach a lot of people about it, as you can imagine, since people are very wedded to materialism, which they tend to view as the only alternative to organized religion, with total ignorance of shamanism. I'm happy to share the trip stories with anyone interested- PM me- but I don't want to clog up this sub.

The short version for me is that I've 100% encounter non-human, "alien" intelligence, sentient forces way too powerful to put into words. As far as a real breakthrough, the realism and power of it, whatever your expectations are, multiply them by about a thousand. I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable. Life matters, death isn't absolute, there's something else going on here. For me I've tried to take the ball and run with it, because the place DMT shows us is real, and I've been working for years on accessing it (at least somewhat) just through meditation, without DMT. And I can get in there, especially with a little weed. There's a separate universe tucked in our minds, perhaps embedded in our billions of miles of DNA in our bodies that scientists don't know the function of. There seems to be an interconnected web of intelligence that must exist at the atomic or sub-atomic level. If you look it's not hard to find it, but people are aught up in addictions to substances that tend to block these experiences, like alcohol, coffee and cigarettes. Put that stuff aside, though, and work with DMT in particular, and you find the most extraordinary worlds behind your closed eyelids, filled with intelligence and all sorts of beings or entities.

I'll add You and PM You. I'd really love to visit that website You're helping create. As an observer with no actual experience of DMT, I can only go by what people report. Based on people's reports, it seems to me that DMT allows the non-local "consciousness/soul" of the individual to untether from the limitations of the body and actually travel into space/time and other dimensions. It seems like a vehicle for consciousness travel. In Your experience, do You think this assessment is sound? Are You able to direct the experience through concentrated focus of will or other methods like affirmations or chanting mantras? The DMT phenomenon is the single most mysterious subject that I've ever encountered other than DP/DR which causes people to trip without drugs and perceive consensus reality as an artificial matrix and/or dream.

Here's a really fun and edifying collection of trip stories, below. Definitely worth reading. I'll PM you the rest and respond, so to not spam this sub? http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/340_dmt_trip_reports.htm

Great, I'll check it out right now. Thanks!

I think Mckenna suggested 5 dried grams not 7. 7 would be way too gnarly.

7 grams of mushrooms will turn you into a god damned medical experiment.

You're getting shitty mushrooms if you need that much.

Find some salvia. It'll take you places. Places you might not want to go to.

omg you just made me remember that I did take Salvia, now I gotta go edit my previous post about psychedelic history lol. I don't really consider it a traditional psychedelic because I filmed myself while I was on it and I can't consciously remember anything from the experience, only the horrible physical side effects during the comedown that takes over 3 hours. I only tried Salvia twice and each time it was smoking a full bowl of 80x Salvia "extract" (i don't remember what it was called).

You did too much man. There's like 6 stages to a salvia high. If you can't remember what happened, you hit stage 6 which is just too much.

S - SUBTLE effects, Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

A - ALTERED perception, colors and textures are paid attention to. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful.

L - LIGHT visionary state. Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed).

V - VIVID visionary state. Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. With eyes closed you experience fantasies. So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring.

I - IMMATERIAL existence. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with the Divine.

A - AMNESIC effects. Loss of consciousness. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around. Dangerous!

Aim for stage V and I.

Thanks for this neat write-up up man. Sounds like You're right and I definitely had too much of the stuff. So how much did You take to get to Stage V and I?

I got 3-4 solid hits out of the little 0.1g baggy of x80 I bought.

Or any post about obvious 9/11 truths.

Or guns.

Only cops should be allowed guns cos... Cos they're so responsible with them... And have a governing body that hold them accountable?

FIY the FBI has perfect record on "justified" use of force. They may shoot you, thinking you are a bank robber, but only with "justification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

FYI, the FBI aren't going around killing innocent poor people for random "technical violations of the law" (or simply framing them and/or stopping press investigation), I'm aware. That's why I said cops.

FIY

Thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind when the jack-boots knock my door in.

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." ~Juan Beegass Hole

Randy Weaver's wife and kid would disagree.

The JIDF are a real thing..

As is hasbara.

as is conde nast, cnn, nbc, and mainstream, israel has been workibg towards brainwashing americans steadily for 50 years at least

now it seems to rubes here that it is a great idea to send their children to die fighting cryptoear fir greater zion project

its not a conspiracy, except the one where it is never a headline here

There is definitively something wrong with reddit.

I've noticed similar things with just about every controversial subject or persons.

Just a reminder for everyone you can buy reddit votes.

http://www.redditsecrets.com/buy-reddit-upvotes

And similar to the treatment I get trying to discuss the FACT that the CIA killed JFK. The History subreddit banned me for mentioning it once. Zero tolerance for truth. So yeah, lots of gov't troll in reddit and everywhere.

I'm from the UK but a lot of Hillary's support seems fabricated to me.

I'm from Ireland and don't understand why anybody would vote Hillary into any position of power

America's pretty fucked, brother. But I'm glad you say this. It's always a trip to break out of the bubble of the U.S., and find that our European/LatAm/MidEast/Asian/African counterparts accept as fact those positions held only by the fringe in this country.

Completely agree. I went to Canada recently and you know what shocked me the most? The lack of cops. I can't drive a mile in my city without seeing a cop, seriously. When I did see cops they seemed like uniformed citizens with a badge. I have hope for our future though. If the youth are voting for Bernie it won't be long till the revolution happens.

Amen.

Considering how many votes she's getting, it's not really possible. She has plenty of real supporters. As many or more than Bernie depending on the state.

I don't get it, but she's got it.

i will be happy to vote for either Bernie or Hillary over anything the republican party has to offer

Hillary is literally a mouthpiece for a number of specific banking companies though isn't she? Does that not pose a potential conflict of interests?

Welcome to America.

She could literally eat children and I would still probably favor her over Trump or Ted Cruz.

Your priorities seem misguided.

Or sacrifice "chickens" to Moloch?

i dont buy that

she needs to release her speech transcripts to the central bankers

There are actually many establishment Republicans ready to vote for Hillary over anything the Republican Party has to offer. (Because cash rules everything around us, ideology by damned.)

That should give any citizen -- Dem or Repub or Indie -- pause when considering Hillary.

I think that says more about how terrible the Republican candidates are.

I think it can easily say both things. Repubs wanted Bush because he would have given them all the corruption of Hillary without the vengefulness and spite. They misplayed their hand hard and now they're fucked unless they figure out how to sneak the establishment in through a brokered convention.

Same here.

Then you're a fucking rube

Says who? It would be nice if it did, but change doesnt occur overnight. You are dreaming, if you think otherwise

A lot of what you see on reddit is an illusion. Its a social engineering tool.

Social engineering has a long sordid history;

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.” - the first paragraph of Edward Bernays 1928 work “Propaganda”

Glad to see a few aware to this.

“We are told about the world before we see it. We imagine most things before we experience them. And those preconceptions, unless education has made us acutely aware, govern deeply the whole process of perception.” - Lippmann

Soros' favorite tool certainly has to be Reddit.

Like the bernie circlejerk

Soros paid trolls.

In reality it is probably just a handful of people if they are getting paid, sitting in an office somewhere, going through twitter, Reddit, Facebook etc and posting as fast as they can for 8+hours a day. Oddly though there are enough fanatical Hillary people out there that are bashing Bernie, but actually arguing with me about REFUSING to read the actual transcripts from Bernie speeches. The WANT their confirmation bias, their sound bytes, and are actually opposed to the facts. It was with the "hillary isn't qualified" speech, and the lady would not read the transcript.

THE NEWS TOLD ME WHAT HE SAID SO IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE SAID.

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We the people lost our democracy on november 22, 1963. Another Clinton presidency is almost assured at this point, imo. You're right about the shills. They are thick on r/politics, which is why I unsubbed that garbage heap long ago.

r/politics r/politic, and r/political discussion all seem pretty Hillary troll infested.

You should probably unsub from this one, as well. It'll make you cra.... oh.

I started seeing this on FB too recently..

If you look at the profiles of "people" with pro-hillary comments with a lot of likes, many of them are just fake accounts to post Hillary propaganda.

Yep. No one I personally know who is left is voting for Hilary. Yet somehow, she keeps winning. ....

I caucused and there were 11. They fit the Washington State Hillary supporter demographic to a tee. White, over 50, upper middle class to wealthy women, often professionals like lawyers, and their husbands.

The Hillary support comments are so rude and illogical I think the Clinton campaign hired the tea party intellectuals to do their commenting.

You can imagine who would be hired. Ever work in a call center.

I have managed to avoid that fate though I was once offered the job of managing a call center. I chose no thanks.

"Oh you Bernie-tots wouldn't understand"

That condescending shit gets my blood boiling.

The best way to deal with this problem is to spread /r/shills where you can.

There are still many people out there who have no idea that shilling is openly admitted to, even on Reddit. If most people don't know that something is an advertisement or propaganda, their guard will be down. This is not like a commercial on television where you have a healthy skepticism of the claims made because you know the content is sponsored.

Edit: Just so everyone knows, it looks like one of the mods here removed this post for a while and then approved it. http://imgur.com/Tj1pDgU

It was removed for an hour and 25 minutes, meaning it received no upvotes for that time and thus was given a severe handicap on Reddit's ranking system. It's no surprise this post is now number 2 in this sub, blocking 80 or 90 percent of the subscribers from seeing it.

Edit2: The mods claim they are not responsible for the removal.

head over to today's philly.com editorial columnist hit piece on Sanders and read the comments, it seems like multiple accounts from many of the same people having a conversation with each other denouncing Sanders for no factual reason

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And people really enjoy their confirmation bias. . . Cognitive dissonance is a hard wall to breech. The young are more likely to research and choose based on facts, while the older many people get (excluding you LSD/mushroom people of course) stuck in their thinking and lose that freedom of choice.

Sure and there is none of that here. The other side is all confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance and our side is all completely rational well researched free thought!

I had an interaction with a Hillary supporter who refused to read the transcript of Sanders speech where he listed reasons why HRC may not be qualified to lead. She refused to READ. If Bernie had not joined the Democratic primary I would have thrown a vote at Stein or Rand Paul or any other third party candidate, not because I would agree with all their policies, but because I do not agree with a two party system having so much power. Perhaps the two party system is my confirmation bias, and maybe it is really good for oligarchs to own our government.. .and I just don't see it.

Have experienced this as well. See it with both Clinton and Trump supporters. It's like they just want to belong and do not want to see. In a way, I can't really blame them, but fuck is it frustrating to have a political conversation with them.

I watch all the Hillary stuff. . . . I still can't stand her. . . but if she started telling the truth I would have respect for her. .

Well yeah must've been because they didn't want to pollute their mind with notions they don't agree with. That or they love oligarchs. Most of the time I assume that people who disagree with me or don't do what I want are just trolls, shills or really barely even human. I owe them no respect.

Every president since 1890 has supported and passed socialist legislation. Police, fire, streets, garbage all examples of socialism.

I prefer Bernie, but I downvote the Hillary threads because the litany of how she's literally the World's Greatest Monster is fucking endless. I see at least four or five threads every single day. I'm sick of it. In fact, I downvoted this, too.

Hillary's not paying me to downvote, I'm fueled by sheer irritation. I hope Bernie gets the nomination. But if Hillary does instead, I'll happily vote for her, because the alternative of voting for Cruz or Trump is, to me, unthinkable.

That doesn't make me a "$hillbot," it makes me someone who doesn't have the same opinion as you do about something.

I'm the same as you... although with slightly different view points. What bothers me is that people are refusing to believe that Hillary has any support. Like they can't fathom it.

Really? You have to be joking with that shit. You can't understand how or why she has support? Well then you clearly aren't even looking.

Yeah, my mom is a really passionate Hillary supporter. She voted for Bill in the '90s, remembers that as a prosperous and fairly peaceful era, and wants Hillary because she thinks it brings two great minds (hers and Bill's) to the table.

I lived in New Hampshire for a while, so I got to see a lot of Bernie's work in nearby Vermont and he really impressed me with his ethics and intelligence. I'll take whoever pops up on the Dem ticket, though.

I always think it's funny when people equate a good president and good economic times. It's like they have no grasp of business cycles, or that the fed is the one who effects the economy, not the president.

All my coworkers support her, and I work in the investment industry. They were flabbergasted when I said I'd rather not vote at all this election... Most everyone in the industry supports her, but is not necessarily vocal about it.

I just read in another sub that your co-workers don't exist. In fact, they are probably just paid shills that are there to try and get you to vote for HRC.

Your whole life is an illusion to get your vote over to Her.

Also, Trump was created by 4chan.

Honestly I'm not even surprised. I guess this is my life now... Now, anyone know where I can get a HRC coffee mug or maybe an Obama Biden sticker so u can look like I've always been compliant?

someone who doesn't have the same opinion as you do about something.

The problem is that when examining the facts, you realize that her entire history in politics seems to revolve around shady dealings.

I think people should form their own opinions about things, but when the information they are basing that on is wrong or slanted, your opinions are being manipulated by those who hold power. That's not to say that Reddit/Bernie don't try to distort the truth for their own means, but the coverage from the MSM should tell you everything you need to know about who's really a threat to the status quo. Maybe you're the type of person who wants more of the same, but one would hope the recent revelations of the Panama Papers would make someone reconsider this notion.

The most powerful tool the media has is to not talk about something- even bad press is still good press these days. I mean people can act like Trump/Hillary having all these negative stories about them almost every day pushes voters away, but in reality they're hearing their names, they're forming opinions about these people, whereas if you don't talk about someone, then they're not going to seek out to know more about them. More importantly they're distracting us from talking about the real issues. I mean seriously, abortion? Gay rights? Not to downplay their importance, but these are issues of the 90's that we are literally going back in time to talk about, and have no real bearing today on the direction our country is going. We have presidential candidates who believe climate change is a hoax, that is patently ridiculous.

You see it all the time with these stations, like something extremely important happening in political dealings abroad, i.e., the TPP, and the media seems to literally go out of it's way to talk about anything but the thing that is most pressing to the realities of our situations. So while yes, I think people should form their own opinions about things, and yes Reddit can be an echo chamber for Bernie supporters- but when you see this history keep repeating yourself and finally hear someone who says "hey, no, this is bullshit" it's hard not to support them, even if you don't necessarily agree with all of their policies. A lot of what we saw with the Ron Paul campaign back in the day has been happening to Bernie; i.e., a lack of media coverage/bias of media against his campaign, strange circumstances that prevented him from sharing his message or measures in place to prevent potential voters of his from being properly represented..

I didn't mean to go off on such a tangent, and I don't mean to make assumptions about you as a person, but I'm tired of people just accepting that choosing the President should be picking between 'the lesser of two shit-heads'

If you had a basic understanding of market economics you would realize this isn't going to be a vote for the lesser of 2 shitheads it is already a vote for the lesser of 4 idiots.

Also, Bernie is getting at a minimum 20x the coverage Ron Paul ever had and clearly is getting enough coverage for people to vote for his giveaway packages in the primaries. Unlike Ron Paul who ran on principle, Bernie runs on a very simple platform "I will give you stuff and take the money to pay for it from the rich."

I don't know about you but I prefer to earn my income not have the IRS steal it from people to subsidize my mediocrity.

Maybe if those businesses which are to be taxed more had been paying a livable wage to begin with, didn't take government subsidies, while getting tax breaks and stashing profits off-shore we wouldn't need to take the money from those who got their large sums of money through likely nefarious means. Whether you like it or not the government needs money to keep society running, and decimating the middle class while allowing the corporate plutocracy take over is not the way to solve our problems.

Oh my god! You still think voting matters? This is an obvious case of a smart person thinking dumb things.

I would expect nothing less from a campaign that fabricated hundreds of thousands of fake twitter followers.

Source?

Huh, crazy

Post anything critical of her highness in a "news" story comments section on sfgate.com and within seconds you'll get one of the same three accounts giving some odd seemingly auto generated rebuttal.

It looks like they have scripted bots covering everything.

I was the opposite. I supported Hillary until I learned more about Sanders, now I support him. I believe I can trust him to take care of the people of the United States and not just champion the agenda of one's donor's.

Well, I guess he is kind of championing the agenda of his donor's since he is getting a lot more small individual donations. I feel good about that. He really gives me hope about the future of our country.

The president is merely a puppet. A puppet cannot decide the future of your country.

I've stated this another way in a different thread but the crux remains- I see a half dozen Trump yard signs to four Cruz bumper stickers to three Bernie t-shirts to a single HRC anything. But by God if you post anything negative about the Wicked witch from Arkansas the hounds are at the door. So who exactly is voting for her, and from whence is this fountain of online support flowing?

I have seen her legal counsel chime in on threads. At some level she is paying for some sort of censorship or shilling.

I think this is a good sign, because Bernie is going to win the democratic ticket. He really does have a lot of momentum, and the biggest states left are huge pockets of progressives. I think the Hillary campaign is super desperate right now.

Many of the commenters on Reddit are obviously paid trolls for whatever organization happens to be paying them that month.

Getting paid to troll? sign me up for that

Send out resumes to firms that specialize in online reputation management.

This sort of thing happens in every subreddit, even apolitical ones. I don't think there's an agenda, Redditors are just stubborn and bad at arguing.

You can't just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is paid to do so. It's dishonest and arrogant.

Google 'astroturfing'. It's a thing.

What Hillary supporters? Unless I go to /r/hillaryforpresident or whatever, I can't find a good word about her lol.

I'm with you. They're horrible on Twitter, too. Just dumb. This is the woman who spent over half a million taxpayer dollars ($630k!) for Facebook Likes.

The government should be forced to pay shit like that back to the taxpayer, what a criminal waste of resources. People go hungry and without medical care in this country, our veterans get treated like shit, and we can afford almost a million dollars to buy Facebook Likes. So shameful.

I don't doubt for a nano second that this is happening. She is downright shady af and will do anything. Zero morals.

This is not a conspiracy, there are paid trolls out there for Hillary, they've admitted it.

Yes, it is a conspiracy by definition. There are many proven conspiracies, and the fact that they are proven does not magically change them into something other than a conspiracy.

I am not being 'paid to troll', I simply think Hillary has waited long enough, and now it's her turn to be President.

Bruh. Is this satire.

IT'S-HER-TURN!

Haha

shitlord!

lmfao!

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TBH the way you Americans take sides and argue amongst yourselves every election is fucking hilarious.

I respect both Hillary and Bernie. But i cant stand how patronizing Hillary can be and I cant stand how aloof Bernie can be. I just hope they don't create a split in their base before the general.

The base is split. I am excited to live in a time where the 41% of Independent voters might actually get to break the Parties. I abhor what Trump stands for, and Cruz is going to bring WWIII, but Hillary will solidify the oligarchy's rule. So bern it up with Bernie Sanders or burn it down with Trump.

The_Donald is more of an example of this to me, than Hillary's sub. When your subs stance is to immediately censor any dissenting opinion about Trump, and inundate /r/all with shitposts, it drowns out the other opinions. A few months ago, viewing reddit by all by the hour was a good way to see which posts would hit the front page, but since The_Donald, the amount of upvotes you see on posts by the hour is substantially lower because of the amount of posts by this sub which drown out the rest of posts being made.

Seriously, if you were to go back a few months and compare the number of comments on new posts from other more legitimate subs with the number that we're seeing today and I think you'll find that it's substantially lower. A lot of what's on the front page are posts that have been vote fudged by the admins to make it seem that Reddit isn't in a very strange place right now. What we're seeing is an infiltration by the corporate infrastructure with troll accounts that exist for the very purpose of distracting and dividing Reddit's collective userbase.

Here's an article detailing how this happens in other countries. Reddit and Facebook are almost certainly engaged in this in our current election.

I've long thought The_Donald is actually run by Hillary operatives.

How do you know they are human? There i s quite advanced AI used for this very purpose. Either way, anything that can be manipulated IS being manipulated.

where do you think all that campaign money goes? glad you took the red pill m8.

ITT: lots of people that think voting matters. Hilarious.

Jokes on you, they are not even real people...

Meh I hate all of the candidates trump is racist, Hillary a sellout, Bernie is going to cause inflation, and the other one is too boring.

When this shit started on Digg, it didn't take that long for the exodus to begin and it all came crashing down. What's taking so long here on Reddit?

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

Bernie is pretty irrational I'm not saying that to troll he does not have the bullet proof plans his supporters think he does. I don't know how Bernie supporters think everyone is going to agree with them on a bad version of socialism being the best way forward for america.

That's what gets to me. Everyone has had a political opinion and a favorite candidate, but there's always a realization that others have a different opinion. Sometimes this leads to arguments and anger between both sides, but I've never seen something quite like the Bernie supporters on this site.

Listen, I'm a republican supporter in most cases, and I realize that for the past 8 years, I was in the minority and America decided we should have a Dem in office. Great, I'm not happy about it, but I accept defeat and continue on. With Bernie supporters, it's like they fail to realize they are stating an opinion and not everyone agrees with them. Everything they say is a fact, and the only reason he's unable to get votes from his own party is a conspiracy. Not because there's true Hilary supporters out there, not because everyone doesn't agree that his policies are a good idea. Every time they see a Hillary supporter, it's a $hill. Every time he loses a state, it's because there's a conspiracy to hide his message and turn away his voters. Like, seriously, just chill out and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you.

I find so many shill accounts and report them every time. 2 link karma Redditer for 3 months 5 negative posts about Bernie are the only posts.

There is no need to pay fanatics.

You have been vindicated.

The world is awash with shills and sheeple.

I have noticed this a lot on Twitter, young people with nothing but Hillary stuff tweeting articles 24/7 who all sound the same and only have body shots, with almost no followers.

hilleary=israel = reddit

they own it, they paid for the whole thing

How does one get paid to do this?

First, find a loathsome venereal disease ridden rat, and study it's behavior for a while. If you realize at some point that the rat is far more honorable and noble than you will ever be, contact Hillary's lowest most filth ridden underling and you may be in with a chance.

There was literally an article posted about this yesterday, oh we of poor memory.

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If you knew, why are you acting as if this is a new thing? There is no reason anyone should be surprised about shilling at this point.

Feel the Bern eh OP?

The public relations equivalent of hanging a pork chop around her neck.

Yep. Obviously anyone who disagrees with you at any time is being paid to do so

Shills exist. We should be allowed to discuss the topic. I would imagine that most people who accept the reality of internet shilling do not honestly think that every single person who disagrees is a shill. Your comment is a strawman.

By the way, shills are losing their jobs to bots like everyone else. It could very well be that in certain situations, nearly everyone who disagrees is a shill bot. Let's hope people educate themselves first on whether or not shilling occurs before this practice is completely automated and drowns out people like me.

Definitely. I bet HRC is using up all that wall street money as we speak so that she can win dumb internet arguments with people that don't vote. Meanwhile the Bernie shills work for free.

Only in conspiracy do people believe shit this dumb

You can call my opinion dumb if you like, but you cant ignore the facts. Are you going to pretend that /r/shills doesn't exist? There is overwhelming proof there.

Now you must ask yourself why people would pay so much money to "win dumb arguments online" by hiring shills. Maybe it actually works quite a bit better than paying for commercials on television?

Hey man. I know it! Obviously everyone who supports the candidate I don't like is a paid $hill. I'm just pointing out the obvious (and I even used the $ sign in the name to drive the point home - it's about money!). I hate doing it because I would rather have an objective argument about things but it's just so obvious to me that every single person who endorses a candidate I don't like is doing so in bad faith! Because they are being paid! With money!

You are using exaggeration and a poor attempt at comedy to block the acceptance of obvious facts. Are you scared to admit to being wrong, or scared to accept that you have been fooled? I bet you didn't even look at the information I have given you.

Sure. We've absolutely got to set the fact straight. Shills exist. There is even a sub reddit! Therefore anytime someone switches to support a candidate I don't like or disagrees with me, it's cause they were paid! Or maybe they're part of a secret globalist cabal! Or lizard people!

So shills don't exist? Are you claiming that my proof is the fact that a subreddit called "shills" exists? That is not what I am claiming. The proof is the links I put into that subreddit.

Dude don't feed the shill. Downvote and report. They love wasting your time.

I would normally give the same advice out to other people, but I'm a fast writer. I figured it was worth the effort. A few people may have been confused by the troll's efforts, and this topic is one of those where educating people trumps everything else. If even 1 person was dissuaded from clicking /r/shills because of the troll, I would consider that a major loss.

You are right about the reporting though. It would be best to erase this mess they created so nobody else has to wade through it.

I love it! Somebody not supporting your candidate - shill! Somebody suggests that not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill - obvious shill!

With easy outs like these you guys must never have to think.

We weren't even discussing HRC. We were discussing the existence of shills which you vehemently avoid for a very peculiar reason.

For example theDonald is a Trump sub, but they are real people. However the shills at political discussion are paid by George Soros.

This whole post is how OP thinks any person in a political discussion on reddit who supports HRC is a shill. Go ahead and scroll to the top and read it. My point is that not everyone who disagree with you is a "Soros paid shill" and it's ridiculous to believe so. And it does you no favors. And doesn't particularly speak well to your credulity but this is the sub with the "truthers", isn't it?

Hey I'm not a shill or Hillary supporter but Bernie is pied piper and socialism a scam that elites have to get you to hand over your rights

What rights? I thought we were trying to get them back

Bernie has spent his entire career speaking out against the very people this sub decries on a daily basis. Socialism is just another means to an end. When wielded by the wrong people it can become a tool of control, exactly the same way that Capitalism can be.

Socialism and Capitalism are like guns, they don't kill people, people kill people.

Nope. I don't even like her that much, but you guys go way overboard. She's not getting indicted, because nobody was hurt.

Why do you bother contributing to r/politics? I know a lot about finance and economics, but I don't go over to r/economics and try to convince that world. Not worth it.

I would not be surprised they are Trump supporters. Many dems even go as far as primary voting for Cruise in hopes of warding off the Trump.

Bernie is legitimately a bad candidate. Downvote away, but this sub used to be heavily supportive of Ron Paul, who fought people like Bernie and, rightly, pointed out the inherent tyranny of Bernie's policies.

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If you do a quick study of how supply and demand works, you'll figure out how every major policy point sanders spouts is antithetical to his own stated goals. His hidden goals however...

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Yep, the rich hoard their money in off shore accounts and the poor put it back into the economy by spending it. Not hard to figure out.

Spending it on what? Oh that's right, the brands that are owned by the multinational corporations.

If you give tax breaks to the wealthy and you create a good atmosphere for business investment they will invest in new business and innovation. Which creates more jobs which increases the standard of living for more people etc

Ha hows that been working out for us so far?

Good.

Yeah becAuse the government has proved time and time again to be trust worthy with out money/s

I dunno, Venezuela keeps pouring money into the pockets of the poor and all it does is cause inflation and piss off rich people.

They've gone too far and in part its a scam. Rigged economy to convince people to go back to oligarchy.

Uh, trickle up economics only benefits the already existing mega corporations because those who would be investing in new business get fucked by high taxation. You've drank that bernie koolaid and never actually critically thought about it have you?

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FYI, you aren't taxed at the higher rates on all of your income that is below the threshold. For instance, Joe Schmoe makes 70,001 dollars per year. A theoretical percentage increase in taxation over 70,000 dollars would only apply to that extra dollar.

There are crazy people out there who believe that if you make that extra dollar, you actually lose a bunch of money.

Yes exactly. Effectively destroying any competition against the multinationals. Congrats you came to the conclusion yourself.

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No. They're not. Dude read some actual economics literature and stop blindly following a literal communist.

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No, you are literally arguing against a strawman. Congratulations.

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Actually it's not. Multinationals and rich investors are NOT the same people. You've sucked up too much koolaid I think to have a rational mind about this stuff.

You stop arguing by conclusions and labels. Make a point.

That assumes investment will occur. When there is a high velocity of money new business is easy to start. Banks lend money for investment not other corporations.

The kool aid is made by the oligarchy.

Why would you make kool aid for freedom fighters for those that seek to be out of a cage.

It's a natural instinct.

Kool aid is necessary to keep a human in a cage. To keep them docile and obedient. To accept a policy and support one that harms the imbiber like trickle down.

If you do a quick study of how supply and demand works, you will notice that the whole econonomic system works only by assuming infinite resources to supply our current demand, which we obviously don't have. Anyone not advocating for dramatic change of our economic theory at this point in history is simply not seeing the big picture.

Certainly there will be even better ideas coming from necessity in the next couple of decades, going beyond minimum wage and a carbon tax, etc. Basic Income for example or eventually a wholly resource based economy, but for now, Sanders offers the best solutions for problems many people in power are not even acknowledging yet.

Jesus, what happened to this sub? Where'd all the leftards come from?

Socialism is a system built on the concept of ZERO SCARCITY where as supply and demand is LITERALLY A SYSTEM BUILT ON THE CONCEPT OF FINITE RESOURCES

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Yeah he's step one. Any step in that direction is a BAD one. You are in this sub because you don't trust the government yet you're supporting policies that will hand over the power of your health to the government. Genius.

I don't trust the corporate elites and I want government to get out of bed and be accountable to the people. I don't inherently "distrust the government." I want more equitable policies because human life matters and the wealth gap is ridiculous and disgusting.

Stupid labels. Use logic not names mr trump. Ironic post.

Our greatest success as a country is two things 1) our wealth 2) our standard of living.

You see it? It's right there. See it?

1) capitalism 2) socialism

The greatest society is a combination. (Odd - combination as in two, combination as in padlock)

A healthy dose of both. Right now we have no capitalism!

We need to dial it back because our capitalism is now an oligarchy. That's not healthy. No competition in an oligarchy. No free markets in an oligarchy.

Great irony is we need this D socialist to increase capitalism.

When resources are in hands of the people, there is competition.

When a few have all the resources there is no competition.

Competition is the hallmark of capitalism.

Right now we have no capitalism!

Great irony is we need this D socialist to increase capitalism.

Great irony in your comment is this quote from Sanders:

“You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country,”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/05/30/bernie-sanders-deodorant-comment-ignores-realities-economic-growth/2OfPVj77EsJlZiPSeH1kQN/story.html

So which is it? Too much competition? Or not enough? Too much capitalism, or way too much?

Not saying he would agree with me. We have an oligarchy. How does one dismantle it?

If it were 1950 I might be against him. My point of all that I've said is our success is due to our balance. We are out of balance.

Too much free market has corrupted itself and eaten itself alive with lobbyists and monopolies.

Velocity of money makes complete sense.

FDR did it. Lead to the richest most bad ass country on the planet.

He NEVER lost a presidential election. He was so popular he was there until he died.

Total socialism bad. Total capitalism bad.

Balance.

Edit The articles inference is correct.

They infer a lot based on that one comment but they're right.

They're wrong, as are many detractors, in believing we will be converted into a socialism.

Here's a surprise for you. Trump socialist. Cruz socialist. Bush socialist. Etc.

Sanders has the character to call it what it is.

How are those capitalist socialist??

The standard is Bernie supports socialist programs therefore he's a socialist. Right.

All of these candidates and all presidents have supported and enacted socialist programs. Therefore they're socialist right?

Obama phone? Socialist program enacted by Bush.

LA pd? Socialist program to combat crime.

Chicago fire department? Socialist program to put out fires.

Socialism is necessary. Capitalism is necessary.

You know there are arguments that FDR made the depression worse for poor people with the New Deal, right? And that WWII led to richest, most badass country, right?

Yet after all this, the grand promise of an end to the suffering was never fulfilled. As the state sector drained the private sector, controlling it in alarming detail, the economy continued to wallow in depression. The combined impact of Herbert Hoover's and Roosevelt's interventions meant that the market was never allowed to correct itself. Far from having gotten us out of the Depression, FDR prolonged and deepened it, and brought unnecessary suffering to millions.

Even more tragic is the lasting legacy of Roosevelt. The commitment of both masses and elites to individualism, free markets, and limited government suffered a blow in the 1930s from which it has yet to recover fully. The theory of the mixed economy is still the dominant ideology backing government policy. In place of old beliefs about liberty, we have greater toleration of, and even positive demand for, collectivist schemes that promise social security, protection from the rigors of market competition, and something for nothing.

https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse

Government intervention into markets isn't needed. That's all Bernie talks about doing. He's not talking about expanding the firefighting powers of the Chicago FD, he's talking about breaking up banks and expanding the powers of the federal government.

I love Ron Paul. Obama should appoint him to the supreme Court.

Ron Paul is the only candidate I fully believes in

What makes you think Obama will do that.

I don't think he will, but I read the suggestion elsewhere and wish someone would whisper it in Obummer's ear.

Ron Paul and Bernie are more similar than any other candidates.

A fucking men in not supporting Bernie cause Im not a god damn Marxist

We seem to be dying breeds here in the conspiracy sub, all of these morons have gotten switched over to the Bernice cult.

Unlike most we actually stuck with the ideas behind Ron Paul for and didn't switch over to commies

Yeah he's step one. Any step in that direction is a BAD one. You are in this sub because you don't trust the government yet you're supporting policies that will hand over the power of your health to the government. Genius.

You are using exaggeration and a poor attempt at comedy to block the acceptance of obvious facts. Are you scared to admit to being wrong, or scared to accept that you have been fooled? I bet you didn't even look at the information I have given you.

That's awesome that you read "Supernatural" by Hancock! It's one of the books I recommend most on this subject; I think he does a great job showing the likely reality of shamanism for an empirical perspective. The other really fantastic one is "The Cosmic Serpent" by Jeremy Narby.

For anyone not familiar with this subject, here's the documentary he referred to, "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk

I'm actually currently in the early stages of working on a web site with another redditor about the DMT phenomenon! I have hundreds of trip stories collected and some stuff written. It's really difficult to reach a lot of people about it, as you can imagine, since people are very wedded to materialism, which they tend to view as the only alternative to organized religion, with total ignorance of shamanism. I'm happy to share the trip stories with anyone interested- PM me- but I don't want to clog up this sub.

The short version for me is that I've 100% encounter non-human, "alien" intelligence, sentient forces way too powerful to put into words. As far as a real breakthrough, the realism and power of it, whatever your expectations are, multiply them by about a thousand. I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable. Life matters, death isn't absolute, there's something else going on here. For me I've tried to take the ball and run with it, because the place DMT shows us is real, and I've been working for years on accessing it (at least somewhat) just through meditation, without DMT. And I can get in there, especially with a little weed. There's a separate universe tucked in our minds, perhaps embedded in our billions of miles of DNA in our bodies that scientists don't know the function of. There seems to be an interconnected web of intelligence that must exist at the atomic or sub-atomic level. If you look it's not hard to find it, but people are aught up in addictions to substances that tend to block these experiences, like alcohol, coffee and cigarettes. Put that stuff aside, though, and work with DMT in particular, and you find the most extraordinary worlds behind your closed eyelids, filled with intelligence and all sorts of beings or entities.

FYI, the FBI aren't going around killing innocent poor people for random "technical violations of the law" (or simply framing them and/or stopping press investigation), I'm aware. That's why I said cops.

Let's clarify something. Psilocybin is a tool, much like a hammer, a screwdriver, or some nails. If you hold the hammer in your hand with a few nails in your pocket, and take no action, nothing will get built. You have to put in some work too. Eating drugs, or combinations thereof, WILL NOT cause spiritual awakening in and of themselves. The drugs are a conduit for self-driven experience.

You're absolutely right. It takes actual work to achieve the goal. The work of reading, contemplating, meditating, living, experiencing, choosing, doing, failing, suffering, understanding, adjusting, removing self-imposed limitations and learning to create and manifest desirable experiences for Self and Others. There's a lot of work to be done, drugs are merely tools.

Good stuff, DasChemist. Also, you can very well smash your thumb with a hammer as well as build a bookcase. The effectiveness of a tool is up to the user.

Wow, a freight broker. It makes sense now that You're a person with zero compassion for others. Please don't drag me into a pointless exercise of will and facts which You would lose as I have unlimited time to eviscerate ignorance with knowledge and wisdom.
Over my 12 year driving career I've talked to many "brokers" and they're professional liars by default. I've pulled loads that the broker gets paid $12,000 for sitting on his ass answering phones and only pays the owner operator $2000 who has to drive a heavy load across mountains with snow and ice. Meanwhile it is truckers who do %99 of the work and suffer a shortened life span (17 years) by virtue of just living this lifestyle (stress, shitty food, not enough time off etc.) let alone never have a real home life, family and friends. 18 hour days is normal if You want to turn miles. Old School truck drivers do not run Regs because they can't afford to. The only reason the DOT was created was to force the wholesale creation of massive monopolies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/28/trucking-used-to-be-a-ticket-to-the-middle-class-now-its-just-another-low-wage-job/

Owner operators went from making doctor level income before deregulation to barely making ends meet and running 10 to 11 months out of the year. When operating costs are over $1.00/mile yet brokers want to pay $1.3 to $1.5 per mile when company drivers make minimum $0.40/mile You come here claiming good money? You're delusional or a liar. Minimum freight charge for dry van should be $2.50 and we still wouldn't be where it was in 1980 if adjusted to inflation which would be $3.60 today. Brokers are the reason this industry sucks and truckers aren't making any money. You've directly profited from the corporate fascist policies of deregulation and the suffering of others. Trucking is the worst job in this country and the only industry i know of without a minimum wage. Try going over the road for 11 months out of the year and come come broke and tell me this industry is awesome. Please, this is just me venting a fraction of my capacity. Why are You even in /r/conspiracy? I think /r/hailcorporate might be better for someone of Your character and nature.

Peace, Love & Aliens ; )

We seem to be dying breeds here in the conspiracy sub, all of these morons have gotten switched over to the Bernice cult.

Spending it on what? Oh that's right, the brands that are owned by the multinational corporations.

If you give tax breaks to the wealthy and you create a good atmosphere for business investment they will invest in new business and innovation. Which creates more jobs which increases the standard of living for more people etc

damn that's insane. Looks like a vintage Calvin Klein model.

You print these out and keep them close?