They did not revere Mammon, and his wrath came upon them.

can someone give us a timestamp and TL;DW synopsis?

Sorry man, I'm on a phone and the timestamp hash tags on YouTube don't work properly. It starts at the beginning for me (Google bug?). I do want to see what you're talking about. Thanks for the reply.

There was no Indio genocide.

So does census data and common sense.

While you're most likely correct in your assertion, that's borderline rule 10 violation. Again, don't let a sockpuppet bait you into breaking rules here.

Check rules 2 and 5 too. ;)

Great argument! Meanwhile every record by every party says otherwise.

Easy to say when you ignore relevant facts.

Such as the fact that there was no genocide? I’m not ignoring that.

Continue being willfully ignorant and having no clue.

Continue not having an argument.

Doesn’t help you any, though I’m sure you feel comfortable being in good company w/others whose thinking is as blind as yours.

Either post proof or continue being laughed at. There was no Indio genocide. Speaking to northern North America specifically, more action were taken there to prevent genocide than anywhere else. Oops!

Meh. Don't let baby accounts like that bait you into breaking rule 10.

Great post btw.

Nah, last I heard he's still in a psych ward in a North Carolina prison for the criminally insane. No way they would let him have social media internet access. Also he cooked his accounts for months.

Goldberg was one of many black-propaganda trolls. Hardly original, just an extreme example with an unusual amount of skill (unfortunately).

• https://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/search?q=black-prop+OR+black+propaganda&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

• http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

  • http://www.commondreams.org/mkultra

• https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tk4nq/in_which_ubipolarbear0_summons_his_voting_brigade/

  • https://web.archive.org/web/20130703082609/http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1h025v/my_ruse_has_come_to_an_end_how_i_tested_the/

Malicious liars are the scum of the Earth.

Nah, a condemnation of all lairs is certainly not a personal attack by any stretch.

but a condemnation of one liar might be ban worthy?

Yep. Rules are rules. I didn't write them, but I am tasked with upholding them and I support them in principle. It's semantics. Without hard proof/gnosis, negative accusations about an individual here is not allowed (because it is a popular form of propaganda, see my recent comment history for an example of someone doing just that against me). Concern trolling 101.

Condemnation of bad behavior in general is of course the entire point of this subreddit.

LOL! Nice pic. I fuckin' loved that doc.

(see my edits if you missed them)

Actually...

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolfpack

• http://instantwatcher.com/title/80038206?content_type=1%202%203&q=the%20wolfpack

This guy spend his first ~16 years of life exclusively in a tiny apartment in NYC. Glad to see he's getting work with SNL! xD

It only relates in the sense that the guy in your pic was one of the Wolfpack kids.

OMFG...

I'm mistaken. He looks identical to one of them...

LOL! So funny. I am genuinely matrixed right now...

The doc itself seems 100% legit. I think that SNL is doing some quality trolling...

I genuinely thought the guy in your thumbs up pic was a Wolfpack kid. I kind of still think he is......

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Driver#/media/File:Adam_Driver_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

vs

• http://media.melty.com/article-7965-ratio265_640-f205242/star-wars-the-force-awakens-episode-7-kylo.jpg

• http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2952350/Meet-seven-children-grew-NEVER-leaving-tiny-Manhattan-apartment-learned-world-watching-5-000-movies.html

I think it was actually Adam Driver in your photo. Wow.

Native American holocaust denier? Wow. Everything I've ever read about Native Americans had them being slaughtered by one European country or another. Damn godless damages! /§

I'm always glad to hear an alternate view of history. If you would be so kind as to explain your views of course.

Oh. Very well then. Thanks for the response.

/facepalm

So where’s the response? If I’m wrong, it should be easily proven. There was no genocide. Actions were explicitly taken to PREVENT genocide.

Actions were also taken to cause genocide.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

Which actions dominated?

Gonna need something other than wikipedia. They think Jared Diamond is a valid source, after all.

The actions that prevented it dominated. That Indios failed to defend themselves is an aspect of their choices, not anyone else’s.

Can you support your claims, new guy?

I rather think OP has to support his, since he made the claim. Anyway, here’s a testimony I received once.

I am a Native American. Our culture died because we allowed it to die. Culture can only survive if someone is willing to fight for it. If no one is willing to, it will die. You’re seeing it happen now in Europe, as well as in America, Canada, and Australia. It was never about the land. It was about the hearts of the people. The clay was secondary at best–irrelevant. You don’t need land to preserve the identity of a people. It does help, but it isn’t necessary.

The majority of our people, if one could even use the term to describe the numerous disparate and warring tribes, were not interested in preserving their ways. Or, at least, not interested enough to make significant efforts to do so. Our ancestors could have used the knowledge of the Europeans to build towns and cities, chapels and schools. We could have sent children to study medicine and engineering, built our own printing presses and firearms, and raised our own libraries filled with books penned by our own hands.

They chose not to. What happened to us is terrible, regrettable, and tragic. But do not pretend we do not share at least equal portion of the blame. We did not march ourselves down this path, no, but we did not strive to survive it, either. We were given land. Was it enough, No, not even remotely. But we were given it, nonetheless. It was ours, to do with as we pleased. What did we do with it, in all the intervening centuries? Nothing. We have built trailer parks and casinos. Are we blame the white man for that, as well? How far down the rabbit hole will you reach, looking for excuses? To what lengths will you go to avoid accepting responsibility for your own choices and actions, including your lack thereof?

It is easy to pass the blame to others. Feel free to cite me what that has ever accomplished for anyone, ever, in the history of the world. Will you blame the long dead for your circumstances today, forever? Is that your goal?

The dead are dead. They mean nothing. Stalin is dead. The Nazis are dead. The people who fought Nazis are dead. The American pioneers are dead. Joan of Arc is dead. Bismarck is dead. Winston Churchill is dead. Sitting Bull is dead. The men who founded the United Nations are dead. The soldiers who fought in World War I are dead. Our ancestors are dead. And so are all of the people who tormented them.

They are all gone. They have power only as memories and ideals. And while an idea is not to be underestimated, that does not change that they are all gone. What is real is what is here right now. You. Me. Everyone around you. That’s real.

The world is made up entirely of those who were born into it with the inherited lots that were cast to them. Whether that lot is a weapon and a blessing, or a curse and a burden, is entirely up to you and what you choose to make of it. We can make of this world and our inheritance a palace or a prison, at our discretion.

You can accept responsibility for that, accept the burden falls squarely on you to change your lot in life if you are dissatisfied, or you can cry as the walls come tumbling down. It is your choice. And the consequences of what you choose are yours, as well.

Source?

I didn’t catch his name; he spoke briefly at my church several years back. This is part of the script he read. Caused something of a stink because he went against the grain regarding the evil whites and their genocide, but I’m pretty sure he won everyone over.

Sorry but an unsourced anecdote is not supportive of your assertion.

Do you actually disbelieve that the native American population was subjected to genocide by European invasion/colonization? You realize that that viewpoint seems insane and absurd, right?

Do you actually disbelieve that the native American population was subjected to genocide by European invasion/colonization?

Yes, because no genocide occurred.

You realize that that viewpoint seems insane, right?

You have to have an argument for your statement to make any sense. There was no genocide planned or carried out. Not in North America, at least. Latin America is quite probably the largest silent genocide in world history. Never mind that the vast majority of Indios died before European contact. Animals carried diseases to the Americas. Not us. How else could they have survived contact with us when they came across Beringa and found Europeans there first? Why would they have been immune then but not later?

Yes, because no genocide occurred.

You keep saying this, and yet the population has objectively been subjected to genocide. You need to support your assertions somehow. Your argument seems to hinge on whether or not the genocide was popularly intentional or not, which is beside the point that the genocide occurred regardless.

the population has objectively been subjected to genocide.

You keep saying this, and yet there’s no demonstrable evidence for it. They died off en masse because of diseases brought over by animals, not Europeans. Let’s run through “genocide”.

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

But any war is like this, and they certainly killed Europeans, so let’s ignore that for now.

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Same as A.

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Losing a war means damages/reparations. In the case of Indios, it was land concessions. Never mind that peaceful accession of land nearly always preceded such action and were broken by both sides.

Again, the reservations were made to keep them alive, not to kill them. If overt genocide was a desire, it could have been done at any time from 1820 on, and covert genocide would have been possible until the late 1800s.

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Didn’t happen in the north.

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Not too sure about this, but tie it in with D and you have the horrors of Latin America. There a genocide is still ongoing.

whether or not the genocide was popularly intentional

Yes, because that’s the definition of genocide. Genocide implies intent.

which is beside the point that the genocide occurred regardless.

No, it’s not genocide if it’s not on purpose. If it happens, it happens. If it was caused to happen, it’s genocide.

I disagree strongly.

They were invaded by religiously zealous savages and over many years were by various means reduced in population by extreme figures. Genocide by any measure.

It’s not a matter of disagreement, though. It’s the definition of the word.

They were invaded by religiously zealous savages

The first European colonists were, by the crossers of Beringa? I agree.

and over many years were by various means reduced in population by extreme figures.

The first European colonists were, by the crossers of Beringa? I agree.

Genocide by any measure.

Except by no measure whatsoever, as it was not on purpose.

not even alittle?

I genuinely thought the guy in your thumbs up pic was a Wolfpack kid. I kind of still think he is......