Thank you, we appreciate you listening to our suggestions.

Totally agree. Thanks fly.

If they didn't we would label it as a confirmed conspiracy so they will have to make it anyways. Some things work in very strange ways :)

We'd need to add a lot more confirmed stuff onto it, otherwise it's more of a limited hangout. In my opinion it's OK to have such a fixture in the sidebar, but it would need to be expanded and not under the control of one user, otherwise it leaves the sub vulnerable, I would prefer to see the mods put together a more comprehensive list, under mod control.

Also most of the links go to Wikipedia, that means outsiders can come in and 'cleanup' the information whenever they wish, really we could do with each 'confirmed conspiracy' posted in a place which cannot be interfered with, certainly not on Wikipedia.

Very good points. The definition of "confirmed" is itself unclear. Also many, perhaps even most, officially confirmed conspiracies are limited hangouts - where the real conspirators (and their intentions) are concealed behind some hapless patsie or faceless terrorist group.

lol @ "the definition of confirmed is unclear".

Memespeak.

OK, how about you provide a precise definition of what a "confirmed" conspiracy is. Don't forget to tell us which organisations you think have such authority and credibility to declare something a conspiracy, that we should accept it as "confirmation" without question.

Smart move is to start with all the "project" programs that have been declassified over the years... The bluebeams, MK-Ultras, Gladios, Tonkins, Manhattan Projects... there's five exceptionally easy ones right there...

That's a pretty short list, cowboy.

What's your point? Is the point to compile a list of every single conspiracy in the history of mankind, or give people a starting step as to open their minds to the possibility of these things happening?

They're all confirmed as happening right? Despite public opinion claiming the contrary for an extending period of time, while also grouping those who claimed its truth as "crazy"?

So in 3 minutes I've given you a list of things that were thought to be conspiracy that were fact, and were de-classified by the same organizations who actually conducted these projects.

So yeah, I'll be happy to provide the definition of "confirmed" since everyone else seems to have issues with it.

My point was to show you wouldn't be able to provide a coherent definition of what a "confirmed" conspiracy is, and so far, I'm right.

so you're going to waste both of our time discussing your skewed semantics while interested people want to learn more about things like Project Gladio, MK-Ultra, etc?

But because it doesn't fit your narrow definition we're gonna deny them that information?

No, I think it's important we establish which conspiracies go on this list using objective criteria, consistently applied, and for that we need some definitions. You see, nothing to do with "memespeak".

I'm with you on this. If you can't get everyone to read the "confirmed conspiracies" and universally agree, it makes the judgement of the entire sub look stupid.

So if as a group we are going to stake our "reputation" on all of the info necessary to "confirm" a conspiracy, you better get it right!

If we were smart, we would have had the definition years ago so we could be gathering information to fit a strong definition of "confirmed."

One way you can be right and make everyone else wrong is you can take my list, prune the things you think aren't confirmed and repost it as your own. Call it 'revised' whatever. It won't hurt my feelings. Go for it. It would be interesting to see what you remove and why

Since reddit has a very real TEXT blob character limit, it's not going to be possible to capture them all. We could create a list by country and do USA conspiracies and Italian ones, Canadian ones, etc. Or international ones... It could get complicated. I think the idea is that it's a tool to copypasta on any fool who dares to say "oh you conspiracy theorist!"... to make them eat their words

• Confirmed is if wikipedia says it's confirmed, because that is the establishment admitting it was a conspiracy---because wikipedia has been outed as controlled by the establishment by at least 3 people verifying that fact here including myself on /r/conspiracy alone.

Which brings me to another way something can be confirmed:

How many unrelated whistleblowers does it take for you to be convinced it's confirmed? 2, 3, 10? 20? What's your number. Let's decide.

This is a method I would call 'triangulation by expert witness'.

I fucked your mother.

If I provide concrete proof, like a condom carrying semen from both her and I, it's confirmed. Simple.

Sorry kiddo, my mother doesn't fuck 12 year olds.

I considered it confirmed if wikipedia says confirmed (you'll see most of those are) and has references to US gov documents exposing it; or if there is videographic evidence that is corroborated by at least 2 government whistleblowers. I consider that a triangulation. I can talk more about the methodology, but since I wrote the list, it really comes down to me making an arbitrary judgment call on what is 'confirmed', but if you think something is not confirmed (OKC bombing is a great example) I can break that off into a 'unofficially confirmed, but c'mon' section

I like to think I coined the term "Wikipedia-true" for that. If not even Wikipedia, which contradicts all its articles on classical mechanics in one article on 9/11 "conspiracy theories", can deny the conspiracy fact, it qualifies for the list.

It looks like a good methodology. We want to be applicable for future entries in the registry, and this should work.

The problem arises, I think, when a conspiracy has been "confirmed" but this confirmation may be hiding something else. The example I used from your list was the 1605 Gunpowder Plot, which (like 9/11) unquestionably involved a conspiracy, but the people who were officially blamed were not necessarily the real culprits/masterminds behind that conspiracy.

Some "confirmations" are limited hangouts or decoys.

My mistakes and omissions are just mistakes and omissions. I don't work for the government, and if you read my other stuff you'd just know that... and I want reinvestigation of 9/11 more than anything else from our future president although it's extraordinarily unlikely.

My point is that list is not a limited hangout just because mistakes. You gotta stop calling everything a false flag or limited hangout and learn to trust your fellow /r/conspiracy person. If you want corrections, post them as comments in the updated conspiracy list. Thanks in advance

What details need to be hammered out?

How they can do it so it's not too visible but enough to please the people.

Who is "they"? The community? The mods? Just Flytape?

Seems consensus was to put it in the sidebar, at least that's what I've read in the actual forum from the actual people who post here, but I don't think that fits the proper criteria of "they", since it's taken this long.

It's an easy 30 second fix... put a nice big "VERIFIED CONSPIRACIES" link underneath the IRC room link. That's it. Done. Easy.

Exactly. There is nothing to think about. Put it up there.

I still laugh when I get down voted for saying Reddit is controlled info. Get over it.

Nonononon... first we need to spend 3 weeks defining what "confirmed" means... /s

It's a conspiraseh!! :P

And there are complaints posted around this subreddit all day long.

If I'm wrong about my thoughts, well I apologize, and I'm not saying that sarcastically.

In the meantime, I'm suspicious of a lot on this sub and reddit in general. Probably not anything to do with the mods.

That was defensive.

There are a lot of issues with this sub and Reddit that probably aren't the faults of mods.

I enjoy this subreddit and Reddit in general, but I have no doubt that information is controlled in various ways.

This is a message board, so you'll get all types of responses. I wasn't trying to be melodramatic. I was only pointing out a conspiracy I had in a conspiracy subreddit.

I feel your response was in poor taste.

Alright, well feelings aside, if you have no reason to be defensive, then don't.

Why was the sticky taken down in the first place? By the way if this was already answered, I didn't get to check out the rest of the thread yet.

Nah, you just have a quick trigger finger on the ban button because so many countless people are sick of your shit.

Have you heard no other complaints on this subreddit? I don't think mine was that unreasonable.

Either way, I'm glad you guys are trying to do something permanent with it. Just know frustration more comes from outside sources, and I've never really ever seem mod issues here.

He hears complains every day and bans the users.

Sounds like you should get a different hobby than moderating. You seem to have difficulty with it.

Why would you tell me to go to Voat? That's not very professional of you.

I was only suggesting that you don't seem to mesh with modding well.

he probably just means you.

He doesn't there are dozens of complains coming from him. Feel free to raise your own concerns by submitting it as a Self-Post. He cannot ban everyone (although he likes to try)

TBH IMHO fam, I think it's in the best interests of the moderators--especially of a sub with such a sensitive nature--and for their mental integrity and the peace of the users, to utterly divest themselves of pride, and accept (or respond) placidly all manner of insult and implication against themselves.

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Typical?

http://i.imgur.com/jNH8hLP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OjBkUX6.jpg

it's also typical for you to ban anyone who disagrees with you.

Isn't it time for you to report back to JFQueeny?

What did the comment say?

You should sticky this post ;)

:D

Dude, it's 2016. You can't just tell flies to hang up sticky things anymore.

Use the wiki?

Why is anyone downvoting this.

No one seems to like the built in wiki format for some reason. I think it's probably clunky on the back end.

Hm, thanks, never heard about these complaints. I thought it is a great tool where you can create a few huge markdown pages to drop some background info and required reading. Worked for /r/thebutton, /r/asoiaf and many others (/r/911truth and /r/towerchallenge, if I may say so myself).

This is the way!

CIA drug running. Cite Alfred W. McCoys book The Politics of Heroin and the PBS Frontline documentary Guns, Drugs, and the CIA

All the instances of the US government overthrowing democracies and supporting friendly dictators and the occasional guerrilla mercenary armies, cite William Blums book Killing Hope.

Just for the love of all the Internet's....make it easy to see. And link to. I sent this to a dozen people by text out here in the real world, and the conversations have been amazing. Best list ever.

Which conspiracy theories do you consider not confirmed?

People don't agree OKC was confirmed and so it's been removed. The us gov totally blew that shit up and killed those people though. Others still don't believe and evidence--like 9/11--isn't enough. If OKC's on the list 911 should be too, similarly if 9/11 is not on list neither should OKC. They are linked, believe me. they'd been working on 9/11 for decades.

Sure I believe you.

More so than the opposite question, which you're going to add to the sidebar?

Ok so I read below the comments and this is really the solution: I remove the OKC bombing entry. There. Now they are all really confirmed. Seriously, verify for yourself. The OKC one is literally teh only entry that has any doubt as to its 'confirm'edness.

Sure. I just don't know how to do that. You have to be patient if I screwed it up.

OKC has been strikethroughed. there, now all confirmed. That's really what this was all about.

When can u make another podcast? Not trying to make fun

I just liked u talking about it idk

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Hey fly, PM if you are planning something. I could possibly line up Adam K, and possibly some others to join. If you really want to start a podcast I'm sure I could find you some kickass interviews.

Edit: lol drunk redditing is fun, possibly.

How can we make it a living document? This is one of your best ideas EVER, /u/Flytape.

Ha, they choose you as the PR guy or something?

But I paid good money for these pitchforks!

Yeah, since when are torches a bad thing?

Just put it under the "non-reddit resources" list on the lower right side bar. Shouldn't take a long time to figure that out.

lol what details have to be hammered out?

You should remove the OKC bombing as "confirmed" since there is interesting evidence, but nothing has been confirmed.

I'll do that now. edit: it's strikethroughed now.

I was thinking about this yesterday - I think we need a similar list/post/sticky for "open but as yet unconfirmed theories". Might be a good way to track the "progress" of the truth for ongoing stories.

A lot of people are mobile users so keeping it as a sticky would be a much better idea

It would handicap all the current submissions of new stuff we're trying to get out, this sub is more about conspiracy theory than facts which have been exposed

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Your 'viewpoint' shows you have no interest in trying to inform people who are uninformed

To inform people who are uninformed we needs posts here to get as many upvotes as possible, so by handicapping all our posts we're going to get less of those 'uninformed' people who we want to get to. At least if we add 'confirmed conspiracies' into the sidebar we won't be handicapping all our latest submissions.

It's all about balance, there are lots of important factors, but we've got to make sure we don't lose our reach, I'm all for improving legitimacy, it's one of the top priorities, as is reaching as many people as possible.

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How is providing proof of known conspiracies at the top of the sub a 'handicap' of other posts? To me that's not a valid viewpoint at all.

The top post gets a significant amount more upvotes than the one in second place, lots of people are only passing by, the top post gets more of their attention. By putting a sticky above the posts which have been naturally voted to the top, we stop the democratically elected ones getting as many upvotes and hence from getting as much attention/views around Reddit, so the sticky reduces our reach around Reddit, making it less likely that we'll be spotted by non-regulars.

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Leaving the same post at top time all year isn't going to help much as the algorithm is time-dependent, if a new post gets a lot of upvotes early on and makes it to the top of the sub, it then has the potential to go viral around Reddit bringing in huge numbers. If a post which had been there for months suddenly receives all those votes the same won't happen. We've also got to factor in that the regulars can only vote for it once. It's in the interest of the sub to regularly get new posts at the top which get many upvotes, bringing a lot of visitors to this sub, then once they've run out of steam get replaced with the latest fresh post which does the same. By having a sticky at the top for months which has already ran out of steam (due to the time-dependent Reddit algorithm), the sub will have a reduced reach around Reddit, while the regulars will still come there will be far fewer newbies and passers-by i.e. fewer of the people we most need to influence.

No, you are wrong

No, you are wrong

Then you'll need to explain why

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Running this sub is like running a website, you have to get the ingredients right, if the recipe is wrong you could either end up with great posts with a small audience, or a wide audience with poor post quality. It's all a balancing act and every move has to be thought out carefully, because while it might help in one way it may also hinder more in another. They sticked the informative post for a bit, good move, get the information out, but now move it out of the way to get new info out and expand the reach of the sub. Discussion has started about placing it in the sidebar from where it can't handicap the reach of the sub, an important discussion to have.

Some candidates.

5 CIA Conspiracy Theories That Are Actually True

http://locklip.com/5-cia-conspiracy-theories-that-are-actually-true/

9 Huge Government Conspiracies That Actually Happened http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12#ixzz2pLiHc3eS

10 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True http://www.oddee.com/item_99023.aspx

10 Inside Jobs That Governments Blamed On Enemies http://listverse.com/2014/11/10/10-inside-jobs-that-governments-blamed-on-enemies/

10 Shocking Conspiracy Theories Which Were Actually True

http://www.timetobreak.com/1253611/10-shocking-conspiracy-theories-which-were-actually-true/1/

14 Conspiracies That The Media Now Admits Are Facts https://usahitman.com/conspiracies-admit/

16 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True http://higherperspective.com/2014/02/16-conspiracy-theories-turned-true-2.html

33 conspiracies that turned out to be true.

http://www.riseearth.com/2012/09/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out.html?m=1http://www.riseearth.com/2012/09/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out.html?m=1

42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks: Governments from Around the World Admit They Do It http://investmentwatchblog.com/42-false-flag-attacks-governments-from-around-the-world-admit-they-do-it/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/42-admitted-false-flag-attacks

53 Admitted False Flag Attacks http://investmentwatchblog.com/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks-not-theory-admitted-fact/

Updated Compilation of Confirmed Conspiracy Theories

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4g7jay/updated_compilation_of_confirmed_conspiracy/

My list is literally a collation and organization (alphabetical) of all of those above. So I don't see how that's not going backwards.

K, My bad.

Can we possibly just have the post stickied until the details are hammered out?

Much obliged!

feel free to use my paper on 9/11 as a source if you'd like..

www.censorthis.net

I never understood this list. For it to be a "confirmed conspiracy theory", it would have to at one point not have been confirmed, but still out there as a theory.

This list just seems like a bunch of conspiracies of bad stuff people in power has done. I don't think anyone specifically theorized about most of the stuff on the list specifically prior to the declassification or whatever.

I don't know, seems like a pretty important distinction.

I was looking for the same thing...it would have been really interesting to read about the groups or people who wrote about the conspiracies before they were revealed true. I'm wondering why that can't be included.

ctrl-f "jews"

wtf

no

Jewish Conspiracy?

I had a look at the list. I think maybe some historic (older than 200 years) conspiracies should be added too. This will help drive home the point that conspiracies are not only taking place, but are as old as human civilisation. There really are endless examples in Roman history for an area which is widely known in the west (most users on this sub i guess?). Maybe we could do some posting on the history request subs asking them for some specific historic conspiracies to add. This is a great idea btw.

Lmao at the in-fighting in the comments. Get it together people. We are a minority in our beliefs. We need to stick together and put the spreading of this information first. Lots of people are waking up these days.

Good Idea, I completely agree. In the future we may even vote to create a list of very mind intriguing/blowing unconfirmed conspiracies. You know what they say, if the heart believes-it's true ! I might wanna reformulate my post later but I think you got the idea.

It should be on a shuffle feature that mixes it up constantly so people can trip out to something they may have never seen each time

Is it here? Where is it?

nothing will be done by anyone.

Dude, it's 2016. You can't just tell flies to hang up sticky things anymore.

Yeah, since when are torches a bad thing?

Exactly. There is nothing to think about. Put it up there.

I still laugh when I get down voted for saying Reddit is controlled info. Get over it.

Nonononon... first we need to spend 3 weeks defining what "confirmed" means... /s