We painted Hitler as a monster, a devil. And that's why we could not move away from that portrayal after the war. We had mobilized the masses against the devil incarnate. And so we were forced to continue in this satanic scenario after the war. We could not possibly have explained to our people that the war had actually been only a preventative economic measure.
– James Addison Baker, Secretary of State, Der Spiegel, issue 13/1992
Within a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.
– President John F. Kennedy, 1945, Prelude to Leadership: The Post-War diary of John F. Kennedy, p. 73-4
What thrust us into war were not Hitler's political teachings: the cause, this time, was his successful attempt to establish a new economy. The causes of the war were: envy, greed, and fear.
– John Frederick Charles Fuller, British general and historian, Joachim Nolywaika’s Die Sieger im Schatten ihrer Schuld, p. 35
What Herr Hitler is required to do is to merge Germany into the league of monopolist states. The peace-loving nations are more heavily armed than you are, Herr Hitler, and have unlimited resources at their disposal, and they will unquestionably make war on you if you do not submit to their will and if you persist in going on with this Sovereign State stuff.
– Wyndham Lewis, English novelist, painter, & critic, Robert Driscoll’s The New World Order and the Throne of the anti-Christ, p. 231
Atrocity propaganda is how we won the war. And we're only really beginning with it now! We will continue this atrocity propaganda, we will escalate it until nobody will accept even a good word from the Germans, until all the sympathy they may still have abroad will have been destroyed and they themselves will be so confused that they will no longer know what they are doing. Once that has been achieved, once they begin to run down their own country and their own people, not reluctantly but with eagerness to please the victors, only then will our victory be complete. It will never be final. Reeducation needs careful tending, like an English lawn. Even one moment of negligence and the weeds crop up again–those indestructible weeds of historical truth.
– Sefton Delmer, British chief of `black propaganda’, 1945, in a conversation with German professor of international law Dr. Friedrich Grimm
German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was an anti-“other race” racialism. It was a pro-German racialism. It was concerned with making the German race strong and healthy in every way. Hitler was not interested in having millions of degenerates if it was in his power not to have them. Today, one finds rampant alcohol and drug addiction everywhere. Hitler cared that the German families be healthy–cared that they raise healthy children for the renewal of a healthy nation. German racialism meant rediscovering the creative values of their own race, rediscovering their culture. It was a search for excellence–a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races; it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.
– Leon Degrelle, SS Standartenführer
In the fifteen years that have followed this resolve he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very large extent, reversed the results of the Great War… [Now] the vanquished are in process of becoming the victors, and the victors the vanquished. When Hitler began, Germany lay prostrate at the feet of the Allies. He may yet see the day when what is left of Europe will be prostrate at the feet of Germany. Whatever else may be thought about these exploits, they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.
Germany is becoming too strong. We must crush her.
To General Robert E. Wood, November 1938, Peter H. Nicoll’s Englands Krieg gegen Deutschland, p. 82
Germany’s unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.
To Lord Robert Boothby, Sidney Rogerson’s Propaganda in the Next War, 1938, foreword 2nd edition, 2001
You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.
– Winston Churchill, Winston Churchill: His Career in War & Peace, p. 145
According to the rules, "derisive slurs against people's race, religion, ethnicity... are not tolerated." Yeah, right. You're more likely to get banned if you complain about the antisemitism in this subreddit than if you participate in it.
I don't know if it is truly worth typing this but....
I really doubt there are more than two real Fascist sympathizers here besides the PR trolls. The definition of fascism has been changed over the years to distort knowledge of what it truly is. My 1960s dictionary simply defines it as a system that puts the rights of the state before the rights of the individual and calls it a form of collectivism.. Basic statism like communism and socialism.
Just because Nazis were racist doesn't mean Fascism = racism by definition, or racism = fascism.
Hiltler's invasions were nothing more than empire building similar to the US conquering, by invasion or subversion, at least a dozen nations in the last decade or a little more.
Many here are just skeptics of official history. Many despise the atrocities being committed by Israel . And then there are some looking for the hidden hand behind the grand conspiracy and see Jews/zionism in prominent positions therefore focus on them.
The Jewish Cabal Bankers are the real killers. General Patton admitted in his diary that the US helped the wrong side in the war. It was Nationalism vs Globalism, and globalism won. And now we are all fucked.
Yeah Hitler did some fucked up shit (a lot of it blown way out of proportion, like anybody even remotely awake knows with the holocaust). But at the end of the day, there would likely be less evil in the world today had Germany won. Certainly less people would have been killed as the USSR would not have existed. Neither would the Vietnam war. Korea wouldn't have split up. There would be no Israel as Jews would be living in Madagascar... Etc.
But at the end of the day, there would likely be less evil in the world today had Germany won. Certainly less people would have been killed as the USSR would not have existed.
Guess what motherfucker, I too can claim anything to be propaganda, including that what you're saying is Nazi propaganda and you are a Nazi sympathizer.
Nazi sympathizers? Like the incident a little over a year ago when the mods stickied a pro-Hitler movie? And then when some Redditors complained, they got banned? If Putin is correct that the Internet is a CIA project, then perhaps Reddit likewise is a CIA/Pentagon mini-project. Those descendants of Operation Paperclip couldn't have invented a better way to create the perception that Nazism is popular: fake accounts, brigading mods who play "April Fools Jokes" to legitimize sockpuppets, discrediting serious conspiracy researchers with 400 shitposts per day ... It's a multi-faceted operation.
Can you give us a list of nations the English empire invaded?
Why are the Germans worse than the English?
Are the English blood thirsty murderous maniacs?
Do you think the treaty of Versailles was fair? Why were there so many Germans starving to death?
What is unbearable is people thy cannot see in shades of grey but black and white
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
List of countries liberated by Hitler , bringing unity to Europe for the heroic battle against Judaism/masonry/communism.
Don't be sad that is over, be happy that it happened
Edit: hahaha i love it! Virtually every comment here is supportive of the Great One and his dream, or at least aware of the slanderous victors history we were taught.
But I'm sure later on itll get "fixed" what time is it in Israel? Maybe when they wake up they'll be here to derail and make fecal references, as they always do for unknown reason.
If you can't find citations on your own for the Nazi regime being murderous, I must doubt your sincerity myself. Reporting me also makes me less than sure of your willfulness to engage in a discussion. Regardless, I have no time for Googling for you right now; I might have later. Hit me up if you're interested, although doing things like using Google might yield faster results.
Apparently war is when you massacre and/or enslave civilian population out of a racial superiority world view with the proclaimed goal of eradicating them or reducing them to an uneducated cheap labor force.
I'm not even talking about Jews here. I was thinking about the Poles. Kikepedia:
On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task."
When I have time I can try locating a primal source for this if you need help with that.
So you admit to the source being faulty. Why would you bother with your shit quote, then?
When I have time I can try locating a primal source for this
You don’t have one. You’re lying.
Speaking of Himmler, here’s an actual letter from him.
SS Main Office of Economic Administration
Service Group D Concentration Camp
D III/Az.: 14 n (KL) 12.42 Lg/Wy
Oranienburg
28 December 1942
Regarding: Medical Activities in the Concentration Camps
Refence:... without
Enclosure: 1
SECRET
TO the 1. Camp Doctors of the Concentration Camps Da., Sh.
Bu., Neu., Au., Rav., Flo., Lu., Stu., Gr-Ro., Nied., Natz., Hinz.,
Mor., Herzog., Mau.,
Copy to Camp Commandants
In the inclosed a compilation of the current arrivals and departures in all the concentration camps is sent to you for your information. It discloses that out of the 136,000 arrivals about 70,000 died. With such a high rate of death the number of the prisoners can never be brought up to the figure as has been ordered by the Reichsfuehrer of the SS. The 1. camp doctors must use all means at their disposal to reduce essentially this death rate in the various camps. The best doctor in a concentration camp is not the one, who believes that he must stand out for uncalled severity , but the one who by his supervision and exchange keeps the working capacity at the various labor commands at the highest possible level. The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the food of the prisoners and, with approval of the administration, submit improvement proposals to the camp commandants. These, however, must not only appear on paper, but must be controlled regularly by the camp doctors. Furthermore, the camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the the various labor places are improved as much as possible. To this purpose it will be necessary that the camp doctors inspect the labor places on the ground and convince themselves about the conditions of work.
The SS Reichsfuehrer has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced. For this reason the aforementioned has been ordered and a monthly report on this matter is to be submitted to the Chief of the Department D III. The first report to be submitted on 1 February 1943.
[Signature illegible]
Klueder [?]
SS Brigadefuehrer and Major General of the Arms
And where does this come from, you ask?
STRAIGHT FROM THE FUCKING NUREMBERG TRIALS THEMSELVES AND HOSTED ON THE US GOVERNMENT’S WEBSITE.
Oh really? So you said that the Nazis wanted to deport the Poles? That's a new one.
Anyway, you showed beyond any doubt that at some point the death rate at slave labor camps was so high that they couldn't even use their slaves for labor. Clearly that showed that the Nazis didn't intend to enslave and eradicate the Poles, right?
You think that almost EVERY HISTORIAN is a kikestorian, since they disagree with your views. And you have, of course, the best views. The best primal sources. I don't think Wikipedia is flawed, I think your world view is flawed.
Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an antitank ditch interests me only in so far as the antitank ditch for Germany is finished
The Poles [Hitler “emphasized”] are especially born for low labor … There can be no question of improvement for them. It is necessary to keep the standard of life low in Poland and it must not be permitted to rise … The Poles are lazy and it is necessary to use compulsion to make them work … The Government General [of Poland] should be used by us merely as a source of unskilled labor … Every year the laborers needed by the Reich could be procured from there.
I simply took the first three citations from a certain book on the Third Reich and googled their source. I could go on and on but you can do that yourself, too, if you care to.
You have managed to ignore the quotes I provided. This must be because they don't exist, since by your assertion "you have the primal sources" and they support you. Since I disagree with you, all my sources must be flawed. Your world view is flawed.
Don’t make fake quotes; it makes you look worse than you already do.
Since I disagree with you
Truth is not a matter of disagreement.
Your world view is flawed.
You’re a complete lunatic with zero evidence for his claims who has such little self-esteem that you have to whore yourself out to what someone else tells you to post. If you had an argument, you would have posted it. You’ve provided zero refutation to anything I have said.
I'm sorry, I thought I chose the first three quotes from a thorough book about the Third Reich history and managed to verify them in original documents within 10 minutes. Whereas you posted a document that proves that the death rate in the camps was at one point so high that they couldn't even use it for slave labor. Somehow you managed to convince yourself that this means the Nazis weren't monsters. You're as much a free thinker as Himmler was a nice guy.
You’re a complete lunatic
Nicely projected!
such little self-esteem
ROFL
whore yourself out to what someone else tells you to post.
lol. The quotes I posted are the first three from the chapter The New Order in Rise and Fall of the third Reich. I don't need someone to tell me to post them. I have my own brain. This might be new to you, person who already has all the evidence necessary. Where did you obtain those, by the way? You must have stumbled upon them yourself, I'm sure.
You’ve provided zero refutation to anything I have said.
Do you mean the three quotes from the Nuremberg trials and the one from Poland's Holocaust I provided? The ones that show slave labor, complete disregard for human life and eradication of a large part of the population in Poland and Czechoslovakia? None of this contradicts what you've said?
For god's sake, the document you've provided shows that you're wrong.
I have brought quotes that prove my point. Conveniently you also brought quotes that prove my point. I have no doubt you'll mark this day a great victory. You're what they call an Internet Argument Revisionist.
I wonder where you've read these things. I disagree with the things you've QUOTED VERY LOUDLY and certainly didn't write them. It's extremely good to be critical of all sources. You always have a preconception of whether a thing is true or false, but you must know that it may be wrong. Things are either true or false, truth is not "relative" or dependent on circumstances.
That's why when I read a history book about the Nazis, which I've provided a link to on Amazon ($10 for an ebook if you can't piracy), I've gone through the exhaustive and extensive sources list, in the same way I did for you here, until I was convinced that the book is legit. And you can do it yourself. You just won't, because you've already decided what the truth is and there is nothing that can convince you otherwise.
There is one among us who takes someone else's opinion without checking it and ignores the other person's arguments, and it's not me. I've explained that your quote ("Hey guys, half the people in the concentration camp died, please kill less of them because we need labor force, love Heinrich") doesn't exactly show that the Nazis weren't monsters, and provided links to documents, also from the Nuremberg trails, that show that I'm right. Instead of verifying my claims you just decided I'm an Agent of the World Zionist Child-Eating Conspiracy to take over the world.
Nope. I’m not a fan of the ideology, myself. I’m far too enamored with free agency (and/or at least an ideology based on personal responsibility for the ownership/relinquishing thereof). You’re just wrong about it.
Why would you put together an entire refutation of my argument, if you don’t care abouy my argument in the first place?
Who said I didn’t care about it? I care about it because it’s wrong and I’d rather truth trump falsehood than let falsehood stand.
It seems that i thought i was talking to a nazi sympathizer at first
Yep.
but then you waffled.
Ooh, look at that projectionism. Instead of saying, “But then I got some additional information, which changed my interpretation of what you were saying,” you went with “YOU changed YOUR stance...despiteyourstatementscontinuingtohaveinternallogicalconsistency.”
The Nazi sympathy came about years ago in the conspiracy community after someone translated one of Hitler's speech that he was supposedly taking on the freemasons. Then there was the internet folklore that Hitler was a guy that was who was doing the right thing and it was a mistake to fight against - among those lines. Hitler was later made to be someone who also fought "commies" which caters to McCartism.
That list is correct and confronting they did kill lots of civilians.
Hitler, the Nazis and Germany were to fight against the USSR for the industrialists, bankers and royalists, capture government and civilian gold as well as other belongings, and oil wells. Maybe the end goal was to establish a "United Europe" through Nazi, fascist and militant control.
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5 Touritaly 2016-05-18
"History is written by the victors." - Winston Churchill
4 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
We painted Hitler as a monster, a devil. And that's why we could not move away from that portrayal after the war. We had mobilized the masses against the devil incarnate. And so we were forced to continue in this satanic scenario after the war. We could not possibly have explained to our people that the war had actually been only a preventative economic measure. – James Addison Baker, Secretary of State, Der Spiegel, issue 13/1992
Within a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made. – President John F. Kennedy, 1945, Prelude to Leadership: The Post-War diary of John F. Kennedy, p. 73-4
What thrust us into war were not Hitler's political teachings: the cause, this time, was his successful attempt to establish a new economy. The causes of the war were: envy, greed, and fear.
– John Frederick Charles Fuller, British general and historian, Joachim Nolywaika’s Die Sieger im Schatten ihrer Schuld, p. 35
What Herr Hitler is required to do is to merge Germany into the league of monopolist states. The peace-loving nations are more heavily armed than you are, Herr Hitler, and have unlimited resources at their disposal, and they will unquestionably make war on you if you do not submit to their will and if you persist in going on with this Sovereign State stuff. – Wyndham Lewis, English novelist, painter, & critic, Robert Driscoll’s The New World Order and the Throne of the anti-Christ, p. 231
Atrocity propaganda is how we won the war. And we're only really beginning with it now! We will continue this atrocity propaganda, we will escalate it until nobody will accept even a good word from the Germans, until all the sympathy they may still have abroad will have been destroyed and they themselves will be so confused that they will no longer know what they are doing. Once that has been achieved, once they begin to run down their own country and their own people, not reluctantly but with eagerness to please the victors, only then will our victory be complete. It will never be final. Reeducation needs careful tending, like an English lawn. Even one moment of negligence and the weeds crop up again–those indestructible weeds of historical truth. – Sefton Delmer, British chief of `black propaganda’, 1945, in a conversation with German professor of international law Dr. Friedrich Grimm
German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was an anti-“other race” racialism. It was a pro-German racialism. It was concerned with making the German race strong and healthy in every way. Hitler was not interested in having millions of degenerates if it was in his power not to have them. Today, one finds rampant alcohol and drug addiction everywhere. Hitler cared that the German families be healthy–cared that they raise healthy children for the renewal of a healthy nation. German racialism meant rediscovering the creative values of their own race, rediscovering their culture. It was a search for excellence–a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races; it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves. – Leon Degrelle, SS Standartenführer
In the fifteen years that have followed this resolve he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very large extent, reversed the results of the Great War… [Now] the vanquished are in process of becoming the victors, and the victors the vanquished. When Hitler began, Germany lay prostrate at the feet of the Allies. He may yet see the day when what is left of Europe will be prostrate at the feet of Germany. Whatever else may be thought about these exploits, they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.
Germany is becoming too strong. We must crush her.
To General Robert E. Wood, November 1938, Peter H. Nicoll’s Englands Krieg gegen Deutschland, p. 82
Germany’s unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.
To Lord Robert Boothby, Sidney Rogerson’s Propaganda in the Next War, 1938, foreword 2nd edition, 2001
You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest. – Winston Churchill, Winston Churchill: His Career in War & Peace, p. 145
0 giantfrogfish 2016-05-18
"History is a set of lies agreed upon"
~Napoleon Bonaparte
Hitler was a bad dude, they all were.
0 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?
4 nainaisson 2016-05-18
According to the rules, "derisive slurs against people's race, religion, ethnicity... are not tolerated." Yeah, right. You're more likely to get banned if you complain about the antisemitism in this subreddit than if you participate in it.
4 yellowsnow2 2016-05-18
I don't know if it is truly worth typing this but....
I really doubt there are more than two real Fascist sympathizers here besides the PR trolls. The definition of fascism has been changed over the years to distort knowledge of what it truly is. My 1960s dictionary simply defines it as a system that puts the rights of the state before the rights of the individual and calls it a form of collectivism.. Basic statism like communism and socialism.
Just because Nazis were racist doesn't mean Fascism = racism by definition, or racism = fascism.
Hiltler's invasions were nothing more than empire building similar to the US conquering, by invasion or subversion, at least a dozen nations in the last decade or a little more.
Many here are just skeptics of official history. Many despise the atrocities being committed by Israel . And then there are some looking for the hidden hand behind the grand conspiracy and see Jews/zionism in prominent positions therefore focus on them.
3 Quickstrike22 2016-05-18
The Jewish Cabal Bankers are the real killers. General Patton admitted in his diary that the US helped the wrong side in the war. It was Nationalism vs Globalism, and globalism won. And now we are all fucked.
Yeah Hitler did some fucked up shit (a lot of it blown way out of proportion, like anybody even remotely awake knows with the holocaust). But at the end of the day, there would likely be less evil in the world today had Germany won. Certainly less people would have been killed as the USSR would not have existed. Neither would the Vietnam war. Korea wouldn't have split up. There would be no Israel as Jews would be living in Madagascar... Etc.
1 Nexus9k1 2016-05-18
I really hope you're fucking kidding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
0 Quickstrike22 2016-05-18
Jewish propaganda. Just like the holocaust
1 Nexus9k1 2016-05-18
Guess what motherfucker, I too can claim anything to be propaganda, including that what you're saying is Nazi propaganda and you are a Nazi sympathizer.
1 Quickstrike22 2016-05-18
Right on buddy
3 FatwaBurgers 2016-05-18
Nazi sympathizers? Like the incident a little over a year ago when the mods stickied a pro-Hitler movie? And then when some Redditors complained, they got banned? If Putin is correct that the Internet is a CIA project, then perhaps Reddit likewise is a CIA/Pentagon mini-project. Those descendants of Operation Paperclip couldn't have invented a better way to create the perception that Nazism is popular: fake accounts, brigading mods who play "April Fools Jokes" to legitimize sockpuppets, discrediting serious conspiracy researchers with 400 shitposts per day ... It's a multi-faceted operation.
3 NaoTapar 2016-05-18
Can you give us a list of nations the English empire invaded?
Why are the Germans worse than the English?
Are the English blood thirsty murderous maniacs?
Do you think the treaty of Versailles was fair? Why were there so many Germans starving to death?
What is unbearable is people thy cannot see in shades of grey but black and white
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
2 donutmuffin 2016-05-18
Amen!
2 [deleted] 2016-05-18
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0 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
So long, genius! Maybe someday you’ll learn how history actually happened.
2 Werewolf35b 2016-05-18
List of countries liberated by Hitler , bringing unity to Europe for the heroic battle against Judaism/masonry/communism.
Don't be sad that is over, be happy that it happened
Edit: hahaha i love it! Virtually every comment here is supportive of the Great One and his dream, or at least aware of the slanderous victors history we were taught.
But I'm sure later on itll get "fixed" what time is it in Israel? Maybe when they wake up they'll be here to derail and make fecal references, as they always do for unknown reason.
2 HirsutePursuit46 2016-05-18
|Anyone who tries to tell you different are fucking fascists trying to recruit you. End of story.
No, not even close to the end... Just the end of your opinion on the matter.
Quite a difference between being a Nazi sympathiser and being pragmatic about history.
2 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
next, post the list of all the nations the jew has been kicked out of.
1 Quickstrike22 2016-05-18
Why not make a list of all the nations controlled and enslaved by Jews today? Your own would run out of ink...
0 NaoTapar 2016-05-18
Or a Jesuit
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Didn't you mean the "Zionists"?
2 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
Did I stutter? I said jew, I meant jew.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
I like it when a Jew-hater stops pretending.
2 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
im glad i give you a boner.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
<3
2 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
hit the showers, Champ, youre done here.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
What are you wearing? I'll give you the list of all countries controlled by Jews while you tell me.
2 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
you assume I want to speak to you further, delusions of grandeur.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Incidentally, Grandeur is how I call my Goering.
1 AntiHasbaraUnit 2016-05-18
goodbye, jew.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Trololol
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Get fucked. Read the fucking Talmud.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
I don't have time to read 6200 pages of centuries-old Rabbis arguing with each other about idiotic things but thanks for the offer!
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Then you don’t have the right to comment on a topic when you have no understanding thereof, do you?
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Interesting. How do you translate נגח שור בדישו?
If you like the Talmud, you might find this interesting:
http://www.daatemet.org.il/category.cfm?category_id=17
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
You want a list that the commies invaded and occupied? Because it’s longer.
[citation needed]
What’s your point? Other than not having one, that is.
[citation needed]
Like flat earth and global warming and Europe not having a genocide committed on it...
Nah.
And then you came along and decided that everything you say is objective truth, so we can’t have conversations anymore.
Why are you associating ‘hicks’ with Nazis?
Growing up helps.
Pro tip: they aren’t pretending. Also no.
Then leave. Who the fuck said you had to be here? Why would we want you here if you’re only going to post lies?
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Are you serious? Have you ever tried, you know, looking at any reputable source on the Nazi regime?
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
You don’t get to dictate this, marxist. You get to answer my question.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Pfffft, me, a Marxist?
Start here: http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-History/dp/1451651686
I know it's not a poorly made Youtube video, and not even a badly written blog post, but hey, it might have some information worth considering, eh?
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Reported, then. You have no intention of actually holding a conversation and openly refuse to do so.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
If you can't find citations on your own for the Nazi regime being murderous, I must doubt your sincerity myself. Reporting me also makes me less than sure of your willfulness to engage in a discussion. Regardless, I have no time for Googling for you right now; I might have later. Hit me up if you're interested, although doing things like using Google might yield faster results.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Okay, learn what a war is.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Apparently war is when you massacre and/or enslave civilian population out of a racial superiority world view with the proclaimed goal of eradicating them or reducing them to an uneducated cheap labor force.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Didn’t happen. Talk to the Soviets.
[citation needed]
How about deporting them, since that’s actually what they wanted.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
I'm not even talking about Jews here. I was thinking about the Poles. Kikepedia:
When I have time I can try locating a primal source for this if you need help with that.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
I know that.
So you admit to the source being faulty. Why would you bother with your shit quote, then?
You don’t have one. You’re lying.
Speaking of Himmler, here’s an actual letter from him.
SS Main Office of Economic Administration Service Group D Concentration Camp D III/Az.: 14 n (KL) 12.42 Lg/Wy
Oranienburg 28 December 1942
Regarding: Medical Activities in the Concentration Camps Refence:... without Enclosure: 1
SECRET
TO the 1. Camp Doctors of the Concentration Camps Da., Sh. Bu., Neu., Au., Rav., Flo., Lu., Stu., Gr-Ro., Nied., Natz., Hinz., Mor., Herzog., Mau.,
Copy to Camp Commandants
In the inclosed a compilation of the current arrivals and departures in all the concentration camps is sent to you for your information. It discloses that out of the 136,000 arrivals about 70,000 died. With such a high rate of death the number of the prisoners can never be brought up to the figure as has been ordered by the Reichsfuehrer of the SS. The 1. camp doctors must use all means at their disposal to reduce essentially this death rate in the various camps. The best doctor in a concentration camp is not the one, who believes that he must stand out for uncalled severity , but the one who by his supervision and exchange keeps the working capacity at the various labor commands at the highest possible level. The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the food of the prisoners and, with approval of the administration, submit improvement proposals to the camp commandants. These, however, must not only appear on paper, but must be controlled regularly by the camp doctors. Furthermore, the camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the the various labor places are improved as much as possible. To this purpose it will be necessary that the camp doctors inspect the labor places on the ground and convince themselves about the conditions of work.
The SS Reichsfuehrer has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced. For this reason the aforementioned has been ordered and a monthly report on this matter is to be submitted to the Chief of the Department D III. The first report to be submitted on 1 February 1943.
[Signature illegible]
Klueder [?]
SS Brigadefuehrer and Major General of the Arms
And where does this come from, you ask?
STRAIGHT FROM THE FUCKING NUREMBERG TRIALS THEMSELVES AND HOSTED ON THE US GOVERNMENT’S WEBSITE.
(Nuremberg Trial Document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC&A Red Series, Vol. 4, pp. 833-834.) http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Nazi_Vol-IV.pdf
Get wrecked.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Oh really? So you said that the Nazis wanted to deport the Poles? That's a new one.
Anyway, you showed beyond any doubt that at some point the death rate at slave labor camps was so high that they couldn't even use their slaves for labor. Clearly that showed that the Nazis didn't intend to enslave and eradicate the Poles, right?
You think that almost EVERY HISTORIAN is a kikestorian, since they disagree with your views. And you have, of course, the best views. The best primal sources. I don't think Wikipedia is flawed, I think your world view is flawed.
https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Nazi_Vol-IV.pdf page 559:
https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-VII.pdf Page 224:
And the Czech: https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Nazi_Vol-III.pdf Page 618, you can read it yourself.
I simply took the first three citations from a certain book on the Third Reich and googled their source. I could go on and on but you can do that yourself, too, if you care to.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Learn what slaves are.
Correct.
Appeal to popularity.
Nope. Not a matter of opinion.
Nope. I am repeating truth.
What you think is meaningless. Wikipedia is flawed, period. The statement tis truth.
Your thoughts incorrect and based in no fact.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
You have managed to ignore the quotes I provided. This must be because they don't exist, since by your assertion "you have the primal sources" and they support you. Since I disagree with you, all my sources must be flawed. Your world view is flawed.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Nope. What’s your point?
Don’t make fake quotes; it makes you look worse than you already do.
Truth is not a matter of disagreement.
You’re a complete lunatic with zero evidence for his claims who has such little self-esteem that you have to whore yourself out to what someone else tells you to post. If you had an argument, you would have posted it. You’ve provided zero refutation to anything I have said.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
I'm sorry, I thought I chose the first three quotes from a thorough book about the Third Reich history and managed to verify them in original documents within 10 minutes. Whereas you posted a document that proves that the death rate in the camps was at one point so high that they couldn't even use it for slave labor. Somehow you managed to convince yourself that this means the Nazis weren't monsters. You're as much a free thinker as Himmler was a nice guy.
Nicely projected!
ROFL
lol. The quotes I posted are the first three from the chapter The New Order in Rise and Fall of the third Reich. I don't need someone to tell me to post them. I have my own brain. This might be new to you, person who already has all the evidence necessary. Where did you obtain those, by the way? You must have stumbled upon them yourself, I'm sure.
Do you mean the three quotes from the Nuremberg trials and the one from Poland's Holocaust I provided? The ones that show slave labor, complete disregard for human life and eradication of a large part of the population in Poland and Czechoslovakia? None of this contradicts what you've said?
For god's sake, the document you've provided shows that you're wrong.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
You should be. Now do you have anything that refutes what I’ve said?
And yet so low that it causes people like you to explode into apoplectic rage.
And?
You mean the genocide of Germans in Poland?
Learn how to read.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Your name should be in the kiketionary under "projection".
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Said the historical revisionist.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
So full of rage. I suggest you read a calming book, such as Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Every time. Again, you’re apoplectic at the thought that there are people out there who don’t believe your lies.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Yes I can read in your words how calm you are.
I have brought quotes that prove my point. Conveniently you also brought quotes that prove my point. I have no doubt you'll mark this day a great victory. You're what they call an Internet Argument Revisionist.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Said the historical revisionist, smugly, as though he actually accomplished anything but disproving his handler’s position.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
As delusional as ever.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Explicitly calling it out is pretty telling.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Wow you've again managed to prove what you wanted to believe in the first place! The sign of a free thinker.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
It’s almost like you’re reading straight from the playbook...
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
I wonder where you've read these things. I disagree with the things you've QUOTED VERY LOUDLY and certainly didn't write them. It's extremely good to be critical of all sources. You always have a preconception of whether a thing is true or false, but you must know that it may be wrong. Things are either true or false, truth is not "relative" or dependent on circumstances.
That's why when I read a history book about the Nazis, which I've provided a link to on Amazon ($10 for an ebook if you can't piracy), I've gone through the exhaustive and extensive sources list, in the same way I did for you here, until I was convinced that the book is legit. And you can do it yourself. You just won't, because you've already decided what the truth is and there is nothing that can convince you otherwise.
There is one among us who takes someone else's opinion without checking it and ignores the other person's arguments, and it's not me. I've explained that your quote ("Hey guys, half the people in the concentration camp died, please kill less of them because we need labor force, love Heinrich") doesn't exactly show that the Nazis weren't monsters, and provided links to documents, also from the Nuremberg trails, that show that I'm right. Instead of verifying my claims you just decided I'm an Agent of the World Zionist Child-Eating Conspiracy to take over the world.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
From you.
lol see here
Great going.
Strawman.
So stop believing the opposite of this.
Strawman.
None were killed.
None were killed. There was no order to kill. There were only orders to improve conditions.
Why would I verify lies? How could I “verify” lies?
Nope. You just are. Decisions are meaningless to fact.
Funny how you’re the one bringing this up out of absolutely nothing. Thanks for proving it, by the way.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
So basically what you took from my last post is that Jews eat babies. Free thought and free-form reading.
1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Now that you’ve devolved into buzzwords, will you say “virtue signaling” out of nowhere?
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
If I were the imaginary straw-man you delude yourself into thinking I am, maybe I would have
0 unruly_mattress 2016-05-18
Roast baby delivery just arrived, I have to go get it. Will message you when I have more instruction from my handler. Goodbye for now!
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4 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Asking for proof of your claims is “combative”?
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1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Nope. I’m not a fan of the ideology, myself. I’m far too enamored with free agency (and/or at least an ideology based on personal responsibility for the ownership/relinquishing thereof). You’re just wrong about it.
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4 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Nah, you’re just illiterate, in addition to being historically, economically, and governmentally ignorant. Nowhere did I change anything.
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3 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Schpiel? Schlmozzle? Schtick?
Who said I didn’t care about it? I care about it because it’s wrong and I’d rather truth trump falsehood than let falsehood stand.
Yep.
Ooh, look at that projectionism. Instead of saying, “But then I got some additional information, which changed my interpretation of what you were saying,” you went with “YOU changed YOUR stance...despite your statements continuing to have internal logical consistency.”
The right one. Not the wrong one.
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1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Wonderful assessment. Founded on factual information. Totally legitimate.
Mhmm.
0 EndlessCompassion 2016-05-18
I don't think you're a fascist, just an insufferable asshole.
0 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
You’ve nothing on which to base that statement.
The juxtaposition of your comment and your username really lends to your credibility.
2.5. By which I mean it makes you a laughingstock.
0 EndlessCompassion 2016-05-18
Cool
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1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
Haven’t learned anything, have you.
0 [deleted] 2016-05-18
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1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
How to read, first of all.
0 [deleted] 2016-05-18
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1 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-05-18
And you’ll get laughed at if you do it wrong, of course.
Constitution’s pretty great; I believe in its tenants and want to see them restored to the country.
2 jarxlots 2016-05-18
What will we do while the mods nap?
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4 Touritaly 2016-05-18
If anyone in here seems triggered and in need of a safe space it would be you.
1 jarxlots 2016-05-18
Speculation.
0 CelestialPhoenix 2016-05-18
The Nazi sympathy came about years ago in the conspiracy community after someone translated one of Hitler's speech that he was supposedly taking on the freemasons. Then there was the internet folklore that Hitler was a guy that was who was doing the right thing and it was a mistake to fight against - among those lines. Hitler was later made to be someone who also fought "commies" which caters to McCartism.
That list is correct and confronting they did kill lots of civilians.
Hitler, the Nazis and Germany were to fight against the USSR for the industrialists, bankers and royalists, capture government and civilian gold as well as other belongings, and oil wells. Maybe the end goal was to establish a "United Europe" through Nazi, fascist and militant control.
0 your-nuts-sir 2016-05-18
By Nazis are you referring to the Zionist created fiction?
http://imgur.com/5XDOg0Z
Or the modern day incarnation?
http://imgur.com/6gYnrkP
Not wanting to nitpick but.
0 EndlessCompassion 2016-05-18
I don't think you're a fascist, just an insufferable asshole.