How are GMO's bad?

i'm no expert, but off the top of my head:

• 'roundup-ready' gmo produce encourages the liberal application of glyphosate, known to cause cancer, gut flora decimation, and other health problems
• gene-spliced insecticide kills insects that eat it - maybe we shouldn't eating that..??
• terminator genes lock farmers into buying seeds year after year
• monsanto's business practices are outright disgusting
• controlling world-wide human fertility rates
• controlling world-wide human food supply

terminator genes

These aren't used. They are not out on the market.

monsanto's business practices are outright disgusting

You probably say this because you think the sued farmers due to cross pollination.

gene-spliced insecticide kills insects that eat it - maybe we shouldn't eating that..??

This isn't an argument. The sweetener used by the hippie anti aspartame companies kills a species of bird at very low dosages. Does that mean we ban that?

You sure seem to post across multiple sub-reddits about this topic and copy -paste Clinton stuff. Hmmmm

My educational background is physics.

I am a liberal.

Being anti-trump and science loving isn't a rare mix by any means.

Stop being a low IQ moron. Hmmmm.

'roundup-ready' gmo produce encourages the liberal application of glyphosate, known to cause cancer, gut flora decimation, and other health problems

Everything causes cancer. The sun causes cancer. Well toasted bread causes cancer. What you're referring to is a study in which they fed and injected rats with toxic doses of the active chemical every day until they got cancer.

gene-spliced insecticide kills insects that eat it - maybe we shouldn't eating that..??

This is just one of those things that just "sounds scary", sort of like "reclaimed water". The truth is that it's harmless to humans. I'm sure if you drank a jar of roundup you'd feel nauseous but the fact of the matter is that our bodies are of a different size and chemical makeup than the insects targeted by roundup, and it's not harmful to us. There are infinite things that are harmful to one species and not another, and everything is toxic in a large enough dose.

Also there have been extensive studies conducted on the safety of this stuff, well outside of the corrupt FDA. In regards to Roundup and GMO's in general the overwhelming scientific consensus is that it's safe, so you'd have to double down and say the scientific community is in on the grand conspiracy, in which case most of what we "know" about anything goes out the window. GUESS IT'S A FLAT EARTH AFTER ALL GUYS!

terminator genes lock farmers into buying seeds year after year

Which is sad

monsanto's business practices are outright disgusting

Yes, but Nestle has been considerably worse and you guys aren't flipping your lids over their products.

Genetic Modification does not belong to Monsanto. Monsanto is just another corrupt, soulless business and it's silly to use it as an argument against genetic modification.

controlling world-wide human fertility rates

If you're suggesting a conspiracy to feed people genetically modified food which somehow made them sterile then I can tell you right now that there are FAR more cost effective ways of accomplishing that and it's an absurd to use that as an argument against GMO's.

controlling world-wide human food supply

How so?

I love you.

To add to this: Look at the environmental effects of pesticides used, not just the use on the actual plants but also the production of these chemicals produces runoff. Also many pesticides lead to soil degradation.

The fact of the matter is that pesticides and GMOs can be replaced.

They increase yields, in a system that has a huge problem with waste.

So maybe we should focus on fixing food waste issues?

Small, local, poly-culture farms would be the ideal fix. Reduction of shipping, reduction of food waste, increased job opportunities.

Use nature to deal with pests/disease.

It's easier/faster/more productive to spray weeds with pesticides, or you could just pull them out of the ground with a shovel, or get a couple of goats which will graze on weeds. But that's not quick enough for today's fast paced world, so continue to put on a hazmat suit and spray toxins?

here's a study showing the benefits of poly-culture and how leaving some weeds help keep away pests/disease

Eliminating one part of the natural cycle of things has never worked out well. Nature is a self regulating system. We find something that destroys one (or more) pest/weed, and some system is disrupted, or it becomes resistant and even stronger than before.

Except none of that has anything to do with the food itself. Just with the company.

Except that making a seed GMO is the only way to patent pre- existing seed in the food supply. So it is the act of modifying seed genes for corporate profit that causes all these problems of pesticide pollution, food insecurity, ecosystem destruction, and corporate monopoly on food control. Monsanto is not the only one who engages in this practice, they all do. Anyone who dearly cares about the environment and poverty and supports gmo seeds is a fucking ignorant idiot or a hypocrite predator asshole of the Bill Gates Kind. In which case, his position makes sense considering he wants to wipe out a good portion of humanity.

And if you didnt know..Monsanto also controls the largest non gmo seed producer companies. They have strangle hold on seed production.

Except that making a seed GMO is the only way to patent pre- existing seed in the food supply.

So you don’t allow that. Problem solved.

all these problems of pesticide pollution, food insecurity, ecosystem destruction, and corporate monopoly on food control.

Not really. Just don’t use those seeds.

In which case, his position makes sense considering he wants to wipe out a good portion of humanity.

I like you.

And if you didnt know..Monsanto also controls the largest non gmo seed producer companies.

We used to have laws against that sort of thing... Ma Bell ought to have a word with them.

So What if the FDA the regulatory body ,which is comprised of Monsanto and industry hired goons doesn't give a fuck about you or the environment?

Any clever person would just treat these poisons what they are: poison served by greedy and opportunistic companies. You wanna support Gmo, go and buy it and consume it. Don't fucking shove it down our throats. But no...they fucking prevent us by legislation from avoiding it. I haven't even touched corn or soy products in years... now add salmon to that list.

modifying seed genes for corporate profit that causes all these problems of pesticide pollution, food insecurity, ecosystem destruction, and corporate monopoly on food control.

This is a summery of the most important problems of GMO.

Think of a crop.

Think of literally any fucking way it could be better. Bigger, tastier, better looking, more resistant to cold, pesticides, etc.

That's what genetic modification is for. Think of selective breeding. Genetic modification does that with more efficiency and less limitation.

You're worried about it being unhealthy for you. Why? So what if you put a banana gene in a strawberry? Are bananas toxic? Do you think there's going to be some sort of unanticipated chemical reaction that renders the strawberry toxic? If so, then you don't understand enough about what genetic modification is to have ANY opinion on it.

because there are tens of thousands genes in a living beeing and we have just begun to experiment with tinkering those.

sure it's fine in theory and it will be great when we grow a 2lb strawberry with every vitamin you require.

But we're just not there yet and monsanto and other companies are doing this for a whole different set of reasons starting with money.

because there are tens of thousands genes in a living beeing and we have just begun to experiment with tinkering those.

Yes, we are a long ways from mapping a whole genome. But each gene has a specific purpose, like a piece of furniture in a house. There's a gene for eye color. We know that's what it does, and that's all it does.

Imagine you're walking through a mansion. You don't know what lies on the other end of the mansion, but you can recognize a chair or a painting as you walk by it. And if you move the chair or change the upholstery you know it won't affect the fixtures in the kitchen.

But we're just not there yet and monsanto and other companies are doing this for a whole different set of reasons starting with money.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world and it's hard to do it any differently, especially in regards to matters as expensive as this. I can't imagine a nonprofit GM institution faring very well.

i am all for gene manipulation, once we master the art ...

we will probably be able to engineer a better human, less greedy, more resiliant to deaseas and what not and i bet there are laboratories where they are already trying to achieve that.

but we're not there yet, yes you can deactivate a blue eye gene, but we don't know what else this brings forth, it can destroy a dozen other things we don't know about

it's like in software, fix a bug, and 2 more arise ...

it's a complicated matter is all i am saying and they're doing if for the wrong reasons for now

edit: nonprofit, not everything should be for profit, some things should be OURS not private, ie, knowledge.. there's so much fucking money in the world and we let a hundred people hoard it like our lifes depend on it

but we're not there yet, yes you can deactivate a blue eye gene, but we don't know what else this brings forth, it can destroy a dozen other things we don't know about

I don't think so. The reason genetic code is so extensive is because of how specific each gene is in purpose. The gene for eye color truly is just a gene for eye color and I'm fairly certain we know that just as well as we can know anything in science.

edit: nonprofit, not everything should be for profit, some things should be OURS not private, ie, knowledge.. there's so much fucking money in the world and we let a hundred people hoard it like our lifes depend on it

In a perfect world, yes. But few people get to enjoy the privilege of being able to not pursue profit. Sadly, the most progress in science occurs when there's potential profit involved and I suspect that's what it will take with genetics. Especially with the paranoia surrounding it... The general people don't support GMO's.

Genes don't do just one thing. Exon splicing, epigenetics, for example, can cause one dna sequence to have different effects.

Separately, perhaps a gene normally produces small amounts of a protein. The protein is fine in small amounts, but poison at higher dose. If that gene is genetically transferred, or a promoter gene for it is genetically transferred, that protein could be produced in large amounts, which could make eating the genetically engineered food poisonous.

I can explain why they are bad. People may not agree with what I say but I know it to be the truth.

Our bodies are run the best off fasting and alkaline foods that are filled with electricity. Our bodies are not only physical but also electric.

Plants and nuts are the only ways to get alkaline food today. All GMO foods have had their acidity cranked up so that eating an alkaline diet is nearly impossible. Even people who think they are eating an alkaline diet normally aren't. They do not expect the tomatoes, apples, bananas, and the majority of other foods they eat to actually be acidic. In reality they are, they take out electricity from the foods and make it almost impossible to reach an alkaline state.

In an alkaline state our bodies are filled with more energy, the Chinese call it Chi energy. Humans are actually magical believe it or not and they have worked in conspiracy to make us lose our abilities.

All GMO food eaten is worse for you, less nutrient dense and also more acidic.

Our bodies are not only physical but also electric.

/r/conspiratard

/r/electricuniverse

Do you know how nerves work on a very basic level?

An electrical impulse

Edit: To take this further:

Every action that happens in the body, whether it be a muscle movement or something you don't consciously do like make a blood cell, it takes energy derived from food.

Also, what atoms are made up of?

protons, neutrons, and electrons

We are made entirely of atoms, each atom is stored energy.

Edit to fix wording

Nerves do not conduct electrons. It's through the exchange of much, much larger ions. Thats why we think slower when compared to how fast electricity transmits.

See below where someone talks about action potentials. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic physics, science, and biology. I really hope you don't vote.

Sounds like you are being a stickler for syntax. Sounds like you might be the type of person who thinks in only black and white, no gray area.

So are you saying because the exchange is through much larger ions it is not an electric process? Is there no energy being used?

What are nerve impulses? A nerve impulse is an electrical signal that travels along an axon. There is an electrical difference between the inside of the axon and its surroundings, like a tiny battery. When the nerve is activated, there is a sudden change in the voltage across the wall of the axon, caused by the movement of ions in and out of the neuron. This triggers a wave of electrical activity that passes from the cell body along the length of the axon to the synapse. A nerve impulse is a wave of electrical activity that passes from one end of a neuron to the other.

Source: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/whoami/findoutmore/yourbrain/howdoesyourbrainwork/howdoesyournervoussystemwork/whatarenerveimpulses

Or you can just search google "Nerve Impulse"

There will be pages of articles, videos, and explanations about how nerve impulses are electrical signals.

You need to stop thinking inside a small box.

Edit: I just noticed that your comment said:

Nerves do not conduct electrons.

Did my original comment insinuate that? All I stated was that nerves use electric impulses.

Edit 2: spelling

That is a layman's definition intended to give the general idiot (You) some idea of what's going on.

I can't argue with someone who has a fundamental disconnect from how reality operates, we're using a completely different set of facts. Mine are real and yours are woowoo magicks.

Explain this to me. How is ATP generated using electricity? How is electricity converted into biomass? How are cyclins regulated using electricity. Cartilage, as you probably know being the genius you are, is avascular and aneural. How does it get nutrients from electricty?

Wow, I don't think I would want to argue with someone who only uses personal insults in lieu of an argument.

Any personal thoughts or theories, maybe articles some sort? Or do you just want to insult someone?

How is the idea that a nerve impulse is essentially energetic "woowoo magicks"?

Maybe a definition of energy would help you buddy:

In physics, energy is a property of objects which can be transferred to other objects or converted into different forms. The "ability of a system to perform work" is a common description, but it is misleading because energy is not necessarily available to do work.

How are we using a completely different set of facts? Please enlighten me, since your fundamental logic and facts is so superior to mine!

You're mixing electrical potential and ion propogation with energy. You clearly have no idea what you're saying. Just stop, please.

Or at least answer my questions in my previous comment. I want to know how electricity supplants all of the things I mentioned. I can come up with other questions too.

Answered buddy. If you don't think that answer is sufficient then this conversation is over.

I understand physics and the human body. I also understand the importance of thinking outside the box. Science is great but has only come so far, we've learned a lot, but still plenty more to learn.

You see, I'm a real scientist getting a real PhD at a real university in the exact area you're talking about. You're not thinking outside the box, you're just making shit up. What you're saying is so demonstrably wrong and your understanding of "science" is so backwards that I'm not sure where to start. I'll go through your "response."

All these things you're asking are not electricity in the form most people think of like turning a light on. None of my comments said that the body is taking nutrients from electricity.

Right. So, I'm an engineer. Electricity is not energy. Please stop equating them. Energy is Voltage x Current x Time. Your inability to even articulate that shows you have a tenuous grasp on what electricity even is.

Any activity that the body does requires requires energy. You can talk about the body in the most complex way you would like, but you cannot deny: energy in=energy out

Yeah, no one questions that buddy. Basic 1st law of thermodynamics, which you could have quoted but you clearly haven't studied any of this so what's the point.

The word energy freaks people out when used out of any other context then a light bulb... Immediately being regarded as "woowoo magicks"

Uh, no? I did my undergrad research on bioelectricity and biological circuits. Electrical energy isn't just a "lightbulb" (which is thermal energy anyway, but I'm sure you knew that), but there's also inductors, memsistors, capacitors, batteries, the list goes on of different ways to store electrical energy. You aren't some special snowflake.

Fundamentally, calories are energy, atoms are stored energy.

God, where do I even start. Yes, by definition a calorie is a unit of energy but generally scientists use the term Joule. You, of course, knew that. Your lack of ability to articulate the difference between atoms and molecules when describing this also says a lot. While it is true atoms have a lot of energy in the form of weak force interactions (NOT ELECTROMAGNETIC), most biological energy results from the formation of entropy-driven molecular bond forming as a results of respiration. You, of course, knew this.

Particles can be seen as both a particle and a wave. Everything can be viewed as waves. A wave is a form of energy.

Yes, the classic example every pseudoscientist quotes when they want to sound much more informed than what they actually are. Everything can be viewed as having an associated wave function, however electrons are the only particles that have wave functions that are practically useful. Anything bigger and you get wavelengths smaller than the size of a hydrogen atom (i.e. their wave function collapses under all observations). This right here is the biggest load of bullshit you're peddling. Waves and frequencies are not forms of energy, that is false. By definition they are not energy. Frequency scales with energy, sure, but it is not the equivalent of energy. Saying waves are energy is semantic word salad- you have no idea what you're saying, you're just throwing out words.

You're stuck on the idea that energy is electricity running through a wire and turning it into light. Energy is much more than that my friend.

Lol. Okay. Get back to me on all of my points and we can come back to this. The world isn't some pandora's box of mysticism. Electromagnetism (lol, you keep saying electricity and totally ignoring the magnetic aspect) is actually one of the most well-defined forces in our universe. It is incredibly detailed and studied, just because you don't know it doesn't make it so. As an engineer, reading your statements about electricity makes me cringe so badly because you clearly DO NOT understand what you're saying. It's all word salad.

Pepperoni pizzas make good breathing apparatuses for fish. That's logically equivalent to what you've been peddling.

Real scientists think outside the box, we design our own experiments and we push the boundaries of knowledge and try to get a better understanding of the world. Sure, "there's plenty more to learn," but you're not impressing anyone with 8-11 letter words that are basically mumbo jumbo.

Get back to me though, I'd love to hear you prove me wrong in detail. ALSO, you still never responded to me about how biomass transport and ATP were going to be created in your system. As far as is understood, you require ATP for virtually all cell transactions. You cannot make ATP from electricity. That's not how it works. If you want to propose a non-canonical pathway for this, by all means do so. Otherwise, you're not impressing anyone and at worst you're hurting society by spreading lies and bad science.

Good for you on getting a real PhD!

Took you long enough to give actual explanations. You say that people do a disservice to science by bringing up the points I made, though the way in which you argue is not helping science.

First, you didn't have any explanations in your initial handful of comments, just vague scientific terms (with no explanation) and ad hominems.

Second, the tone of your writing is demeaning and outright indignant (don't worry my feelings aren't hurt, but if your trying to convince people of anything, it doesn't help your argument to come off as a pretentious know-it-all douche).

In all your comments you make it sound as if I think I know everything and that I am a genius. At what point did I say this? We're having an argument in a conspiracy forum and I'm pointing out ideas that are not normally accepted, big surprise!

Of course there's different types of energy and electromagnetic forces play a role. Did you save that for this comment to make me look dumb? Your first comments are vague and insulting and now you bring all these other factors into play to downplay me?

Your lack of ability to articulate the difference between atoms and molecules when describing this also says a lot.

When did I say anything about molecules? When I compare calories to atoms I know that food and calories are complex molecules, my point is that the building blocks are atoms (my point being that its all made of atoms).

Yes, the classic example every pseudoscientist quotes when they want to sound much more informed than what they actually are. Everything can be viewed as having an associated wave function, however electrons are the only particles that have wave functions that are practically useful. Anything bigger and you get frequencies smaller than the size of a hydrogen atom (i.e. their wave function collapses under all observations). This right here is the biggest load of bullshit you're peddling. Waves and frequencies are not forms of energy, that is false. By definition they are not energy. Frequency scales with energy, sure, but it is not the equivalent of energy.

So everything does have a wave function/signature. Wave functions collapse so they are disregarded? Yeah because we have it all figured out right? We know what dark matter is and exactly what goes on inside a black hole? Just because we are unable to observe something does not mean it ceases to exist, if you're studying science I hope you know this.

As far as is understood, you require ATP for virtually all cell transactions. You cannot make ATP from electricity.

When ATP is used for cell transactions is that not a form of energy? Again, I never once stated that you can make ATP from electricity.

You continue to try to make this argument more and more complex and convoluted.

But the ATP question brings me back to my original answer:

Energy is the "ability of a system to perform work"

So, yeah a nerve impulse is energy by the above idea.

You need to take a deep breath before you have an brain aneurysm pal.

You're hurting science by thinking everything is either black or white, by thinking that science has it all figured out, by not being able to accept anything other than what is taught to you.

You can keep repeating the same phrases over and over again but your lack of orthogonal explanation and originality in explaining precisely what you're getting at and the details only supports my points. Good luck getting any job requiring any critical thinking, you're going to need it.

orthogonal explanation and originality in explaining precisely

How much more orthogonal and precise do you want than:

Energy is the "ability of a system to perform work" A nerve impulse (or ATP action) is a system that performs work. Therefore... A nerve impulse (or ATP action) is energy!

Or did you forget, that was the original argument?

Good luck to you in getting your PhD, I hope you can keep an open mind

ATP is not a nerve impulse, neither things are energy. You're still mixing up terms, concepts, and definitions.

Please stop, this is like talking to a child who insists that the world is made of money because we use money in every transaction. I don't even know where to start because everything I've said is verifiable whereas you keep insisting on woowoo magicks. You know nerves don't just keep firing, right? They're not like an AC current.

The seizing you see when someone gets electrocuted is because they actually can't repolarize themselves, the opposite of being fed.

You have 0 understanding of basic biology and keep saying ATP is electricity or some garbage. At this point you're actually retarded or a troll. I feel sorry for you in either instance.

You either need some mental help or you have a hard time with concepts outside of classrooms or textbooks (even though the way I explained it could be understood by a child). Either that or you just cant admit what the fundamental meaning of energy is.

Yet you still default on ad hominem arguments in which you only insult me. Whatever gets your rocks off buddy.

I never said that ATP was a nerve impulse and I didn't say they are energy. When they are activated that process can be considered an energetic process by definition.

I hope really hope your not actually getting your PhD, because that would be concerning.

Dude, you can't design experiments to demonstrate the flat out bat shit insane word salad you keep pushing.

I am well aware of what the definition of energy is, I have an actual accredited degree with scholastic backing to demonstrate it. You just keep saying the Wikipedia definition over and over again, I'm not even sure you can define what Work is. You have literally said nothing that makes sense or is of importance aside from what you've googled.

Moreover, you've completely refused to address the points I've made and keep veering off into tangents rather than offering salient details. The only conclusion is you don't know what you're saying and your limited understanding of basic science obviates any actual discussion.

It's basically like trying to talk a child that hasn't learned biology, math, or physics. You still keep equating energy with all of this other jargon that is completely wrong. I'd be hard pressed to think you even know what voltage means.

So dude, please stop. I'm worried I'm going to go to jail because talking to you and trying to extract concise details instead of vague magicks feels like I'm just beating the shit out of a child.

Again, I'd be less hostile if you actually addressed ANY of the questions I've asked instead of just brushing them off and saying I don't understand. Shit, just answer any of the questions and I'll be happy. I want concise details, not your hand waiving magic where you propose some absurd mechanism and then quote the definition of energy.

It's hard to argue with someone that knows what they're talking about, right? Can't just say vapid conspiratard bullshit and have them believe it.

Yeah dude, again with the ad hominem. My original comment, if you remember, has nothing to do with your questions of ATP and all the other incredibly specific questions that sounds like came from the last lecture you attended.

You're the one who is asking the detailed questions, which is diverging from the original point. Will answering your questions some how validate my very simple point I am making?

Do you have a different definition of energy on a basic level?

Keep quoting Wikipedia and avoiding my questions. Still not answering basic definitions and science. Have fun being willfully ignorant bud, the rest of us will be out there actually pushing the boundaries of human knowledge.

Good luck friend

Energy is the "ability of a system to perform work"

All these things you're asking are not electricity in the form most people think of like turning a light on. None of my comments said that the body is taking nutrients from electricity.

Any activity that the body does requires requires energy. You can talk about the body in the most complex way you would like, but you cannot deny: energy in=energy out

The word energy freaks people out when used out of any other context then a light bulb... Immediately being regarded as "woowoo magicks"

Fundamentally, calories are energy, atoms are stored energy.

Particles can be seen as both a particle and a wave. Everything can be viewed as waves. A wave is a form of energy.

You're stuck on the idea that energy is electricity running through a wire and turning it into light. Energy is much more than that my friend.

"Each atom has an action potential"

No... Am action potential is a state that a neural cell can reach once the electric potential across its phospholipid bilateral is sufficiently depolarized. None of that has anything to do with the acidity or alkalinity of the food we eat (especially foods that are naturally very acidic like tomatoes). You seem to obliquely understand that electricity is important to our body without actually having any understanding of why or how

You're right, that was a mistake in my wording. Action potential is the term used for nerves.

I should've put: each atom contains stored energy

I'm not talking about acidity/alkalinity, though I do find it interesting.

But we don’t run off of current potentials. That our nervous systems transmit electrons has little to do with the “electricality” of food intake.

We're on a conspiracy forum, it depends if you think school teaches the right thing or the wrong thing. You can disagree but your ignorance is showing whenever you do. http://wakeup-world.com/2015/08/28/dr-sebi-the-man-who-cures-aids-cancer-diabetes-and-more/

So this guy believes that all disease is caused by excess mucus? Sorry but we ditched believing in humors for a pretty good reason. Even if you believe that untrained and uneducated people somehow (or sometimes) have a better grasp on science than actual scientists and doctors, this is just lunacy

20 days in and you got it all figured out... LoL.. so do we

Humans are actually magical believe it or not and they have worked in conspiracy to make us lose our abilities.

Ahahahhahahaha. Ill take 'or not'.

Your electric body is your spirit body, some have current access others do not. We live in north america though I'm not expecting you to believe I'm just telling you it's definitely worth looking into. Spirit runs through all things.

current

Hah! A pun!

north america

Oh... It's because we use 120/60Hz? Now I get it, we need to switch to 230/50Hz to match with the karmic standard of India, so we can find our spirit body.

No by we live in North America I mean we have no access to good food, nor do we ever fast. I'm done with reddit you and many others here are like talking to a wall. You are also probably fat so I doubt you'd want to put in the work.

Don't let it get to you, some are unwilling to keep an open mind. Keep spreading your truth!

"Your truth" lolololol

It's OK... You get your own truth too. You see, everyone gets their own free will, to choose what they want to believe.

to choose what they want to believe.

But I don't choose what I want to believe. I only believe what is provably true or at least what cannot be disproven.

Everyone having their own truth makes the concept of truth completely irrelevant.

Do you realize that your on a sub for conspiracy theories?

The sole purpose of this sub is to question "truths" we have been raised to believe.

Sure. But guess what? If everyone has a differnet "truth" then the term is irrelevant. You seem to be claiming that there is no such thing as the truth, just things that each person believes is the truth. I disagree with that statement.

It doesn't make the term irrelevant, If I hold a believe that no one else agrees with, that means it's true to my worldview and untrue to everyone else.

Believing that something is right/wrong based on the amount of people backing an idea is dangerous.

Billions of people believe Jesus is the son of God... Does that make it true?

Billions of people believe Jesus is not the son of God... Does that make it true?

that means it's true to my worldview and untrue to everyone else

Which makes it a belief, not a truth.

Believing that something is right/wrong based on the amount of >people backing an idea is dangerous.

Yep. That is not what I am advocating. Don't make strawmen.

What is provably true isn't based on how many people believe it.

You seem to be describing the term "belief" not the term "truth."

All GMO foods have had their acidity cranked up

A GMO is an organism that's been genetically modified. As in, it's DNA got changed. In no way does this change the acidity of an organism unless that's what you specifically decided to do. You can GM a lemon to make it less acidic. Similarly, you can GM a lemon to make it more packed with nutrients. Genetic modification just makes an organism into whatever you want it to be.

As for electricity... No, that's not how any of that works.

You are not thinking on my plane. I am not talking about how sour or the taste of the vegetable or fruit. When you consume a lemon it is actually alkaline. I am saying the conversion that happens in your body does not happen as nature intended and it does not alkalize your body as well as a non-GMO fruit or vegetable. All fruits or vegetables whether they are sweet or sour actually turns alkaline in your body. Your logic is like saying just eat a bunch of bland foods and your body turns alkaline. No. GMO foods are less nutrient dense and do not alkalize in your body like Non-GMO foods. On top of that you are sitting here defending the system. The system deserves to go down in every aspect. The entire system has Satan written on it if you do your research.

I am not talking about how sour or the taste of the vegetable or fruit. When you consume a lemon it is actually alkaline.

Scientifically speaking, an increase in alkalinity would LITERALLY MAKE IT TASTE MORE ACIDIC.

I am saying the conversion that happens in your body does not happen as nature intended and it does not alkalize your body as well as a non-GMO fruit or vegetable.

Things don't magically become healthier when you've deemed it natural. The instant you so much as cook a food it's become unnatural.

The only difference between a GMO lemon and another lemon is the altered gene.

Think of it this way:

Imagine a person got genetically modified to have blue eyes when they normally would have had brown eyes.

They are not more acidic, they are not less energetic, there is literally nothing different except the color of their eyes, because that was the only gene that was altered. It was as if they had inherited the gene, but they didn't.

GMO foods are less nutrient dense

This isn't based in any sort of fact. Whether a GMO food is more or less nutrient dense depends solely on how they decided to design it. If all they're altering is the color of a peach then the density of nutrients will be exactly the same. Genetics is simpler than you think.

On top of that you are sitting here defending the system.

No, I'm defending science and scientific fact. Science doesn't care about what the establishment is doing or how people feel, it's about the logical study of all that which is observable. If a fact is inconvenient or unsettling then so be it.

The entire system has Satan written on it if you do your research.

I think Satan is a laughably absurd concept and Christians can't even agree on what he's supposed to be. Is he just some fallen angel who does as much as the Bible says he does, or is he actually author of a bunch of grand pranks on humanity? I say neither because it's silly. The concept of Satan only exists to enforce fear among the irrational, and fear is a detriment to reason.

You're wrong on every level. I believe you are a paid shill to be honest so I will attempt to make you look as stupid as possible.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-on-genetically-modified-corn-herbicide-and-tumors-reignites-controversy/

No, I'm defending science and scientific fact. Science doesn't care about what the establishment is doing

Yes but the establishment cares what science is doing. They alter results so that idiots like you believe their endless scheme of lies.

I am not religious. So I don't know why you are bringing up Christianity.

I just know there is nothing good this system does which leads me to believe it is in fact Satan.

Dr. Sebi has cured every disease and illness known to man and he only eats non-GMO fruits and vegetables and certain nuts and oils.

Eating GMO foods alter our DNA. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069805

Irrational is exactly what you are do not talk to me about being irrational. You stand by as a system doesn't feed homeless. Invades and takes over any country they please.

Is he actually author of a bunch of grand pranks on humanity?

The grand prank is the fake life you're living.

The concept of Satan only exists to enforce fear among the irrational, and fear is a detriment to reason.

You're scared I'm right which leads you to the anger you feel inside your very body right now which is called cognitive dissonance. Stay in ignorance for just a few more years so you can get your 666.

You're wrong on every level. I believe you are a paid shill to be honest so I will attempt to make you look as stupid as possible.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-on-genetically-modified-corn-herbicide-and-tumors-reignites-controversy/

Better start with the study that I referenced before you did lol

They alter results so that idiots like you believe their endless scheme of lies.

No, anti-GMO people alter results so that idiots like you believe their endless scheme of lies.

I am not religious. So I don't know why you are bringing up Christianity.

Then why do you believe in the existence of Satan? Or was that some sort of awkward metaphor?

Dr. Sebi has cured every disease and illness known to man and he only eats non-GMO fruits and vegetables and certain nuts and oils.

How on earth could you expect anyone to take such a statement seriously?

Eating GMO foods alter our DNA. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069805

This is about food in general, not GMO foods, and it doesn't say that the food actually alters our genetic makeup. DNA is an actual physical substance and the study talks about how it can make it to our bloodstream. That doesn't mean it influences OUR genetic makeup anymore than it would to stick your finger in a cup of DNA. It doesn't do anything on contact.

Again, GMO foods don't have some magical new effect on your body as opposed to a regular food. It's just a food with different DNA. That's IT. Whether it's a selectively bred apple or a genetically modified apple has no difference of consequence on your health and this would be an obvious fact if you bothered to learn more about genetics. Please, look into the subject, if not to learn more about GMO's than just because it's an incredibly interesting and important field in general.

The grand prank is the fake life you're living.

What's fake about my life? I sleep 6-8 hours, I eat healthy, I exercise every other day, I try to enjoy myself when I come home, I save up money to travel. What's wrong with what I'm doing?

You're scared I'm right which leads you to the anger you feel inside your very body right now which is called cognitive dissonance. Stay in ignorance for just a few more years so you can get your 666.

That's not what cognitive dissonance is.

Look, man. I'm sorry for being rude. Just understand that this is one of the only matters I get offended over... When I feel that science is being misinterpreted or misrepresented in a way that could impede progress. If there's anything I fear it's the phenomenon of misinformation. Surely we can both agree that that's a terrifying thing.

You don't get it.

ok

Well when I try to look up on how they are bad, I get a bunch of arguments that say how they are bad but are quickly disputed

Don't feel bad about the downvotes, anything remotely pro-gm will get downvoted around here, they aren't big on actual discussion if it means listening to differing viewpoints.

I expected as much but I was genuinely curious and have yet to get a definitive proof that they are bad that hasn't been already disproved. IMO, there are other things to worry about than modified food that has so far been helping people. I think the worry comes from not understanding it and essentially people playing god with food

They are bad, science just ignores the area's that they affect. Basically everything we consume is bad. That's why everyone is getting sicker and sicker. Live a happy stress free life eating healthy non-GMO foods and you'll quickly find you are filled with energy and do not get sick anymore.

Ok but how are they bad? Give me examples that haven't been disproven. People say that organic unaltered food is better but for the most part it's not. Our bodies have become accustomed to the new healthy world we live in and if you eat food that is unchecked, you could get very sick

Everyone is sick. Look around, the entire earth is being destroyed. Humanity is constantly becoming dumber. We are beginning to get sick at younger and younger ages. At the same time we are living shorter life spans than our parents. What exactly do you think is happening?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-on-genetically-modified-corn-herbicide-and-tumors-reignites-controversy/

It causes tumors, probably causes cancer. Every food causes something different because it is not what we are supposed to eat.

Our unhealthy lifestyles make our bodies very stiff which in turn means our muscles are constantly activated. We also live a stressful life, stress gets stuck in our bodies and causes illness. We sit all day and they have somehow tricked us into thinking that fasting is bad. They also tell us fat is not good for us and carbs are. Sugar is carbs. Sugar is the worst. They have basically funneled all fat people into ignoring fat and consuming more carbs, which in turn makes them eat more sugar.

It's like a rubiks cube figuring it out but the truth is still out there.

I don't think GMO's are making people as sick as you believe. There are a ton of different factors at play to our daily lives. For starters, it might be because how fucking clean the 1st world is today. Parents today make their kids too clean. This one kid in my class a while ago had parents who were obsessed with being clean and controlled his food and what he ate. Needless to say that we was always sick with somthing and he had a bunch of food allergies. That might be an extreme case but it shows that being too clean is bad but that doesn't mean we should be dirty because that could also have negative effects. As far as obesity in the world, I blame that all on the sugar industry with all shit they put in the food. Natural sugars are good but obviously you shouldn't eat it all day, every day. So while people may think that playing god with food may sound scary, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. If it makes the food bigger, last longer, and fights off nasty bugs that will get you sick, why wouldn't we do it? Is it because it's unethical to play god?

No it's because the same people who have modified those foods are the same people who have tricked everyone into thinking fats are bad for you. The same people who feed us sugar on a grand scale. Are the same people who sell heroin to everyone for dirt cheap prices. Are the same people who stress everyone out. Are the same people who spray terrible pesticides all over fruits and veggies that we after eat. It's a chain event. Evil is written all over them. There are tons of sources of what GMO foods do to animals. Tumors mainly but you either stay in ignorance or really look at this world for what it is.

Again I think this Comes back to education and being concerned for what we cannot really understand. GMO's are done behind closed doors so natrually there is rise for theories. Most modern pesticides are harmful to animals who consume it on a large scale. By the time we consume those Foods there is only traces amounts of pesticide which our Body can handle and flush out of our System. Now, is there concern with all of this? Of course. Should we Panic? No but simply Keep a Close eye

Lol buddy I don't think you realize our whole society is a ticking time bomb. Also shit that YOU can't understand I understand it easily.

If its so easily understood than how come most conspiracy theories surrounding GMO's are dissproven?

Because if the government gave everyone everything the government would get over thrown.

Ok but that is just a theory with no backing evidence to Support what I just asked

Yeah follow your heart that's my tip to you.

So what you are esentially telling me is that you have no evidence to Support your theory?

My only guess is to control the food supply.

...soft kill...

Money and the craving lust to control

Same. Always the same. Mental cases

They are already poisoning us through our food, but we are getting wise to it; they intend to manage it so we have much less choice than to eat what they offer in the future.

We all know these arent good for our health (i can only hope that everyone knows)

There actually aren't any definitive studies either way, assuming we discount the industry-funded ones as bullshit just like the old industry-funded tobacco studies that showed it was just fine and the industry-funded leaded fuel additive studies that showed it was just fine.

whats the essence of their point/plan - by 'people from the top'?

Perpetual profit.

Create a seed that is pest and drought resistant but that doesn't produce any seeds. Sell that seed to farmers. They theoretically produce more crops and earn more money. But because the crops don't seed with anything that will actually grow, they need to buy seed from you next year, and the next year, and so on...

they also want a LESS people on the Earth

Fewer people = fewer people to sell to = fewer $.

To change our 'hetero hormones' to 'homo hormones' (because difference between gays and 'normal' are harmones)

Back to school with you!

World will have more gay, so it means less preductivity of new lifes/new children

Education + birth control. Both are a hell of a lot cheaper than some inane conspiracy to turn people gay, if that were even possible.

but that doesn't produce any seeds.

They do produce seeds. Legally not allowed to use. Farmers dont tend to save seed anyway as its not economic. The repurchasing of seeds is seen throughout organic farming.

They are bad, science just ignores the area's that they affect. Basically everything we consume is bad. That's why everyone is getting sicker and sicker. Live a happy stress free life eating healthy non-GMO foods and you'll quickly find you are filled with energy and do not get sick anymore.