EU referendum

1  2016-05-31 by Terex80

What is everyone's thoughts on the EU referendum? Do you think Britain should remain or should we leave?

27 comments

The EU exists for the purpose of committing genocide on every native European. Not only should Britain leave and expel all non-Britons from its soil, all Europeans should execute for crimes against humanity every member of the European Union's bureaucracy not actively working in favor of nationalism.

What? Please try and explain this ridiculous claim

In what way is it ridiculous? The founders themselves said the point was to kill off native Europeans. Modern leaders explicitly state that the genocide of natives is the DUTY of Europeans. The invasion from the south happens unabated. Sweden has the second highest incidence of rape in the entire world. The EU is responsible for crimes against humanity–genocide, the siphoning of weath, theft, racketeering, and treason in every member state. Kill them all.

You have provided no evidence, not a single link or quote. You just tried to assert that you are right

Don't know if you remember WW2 but nationalism was not a good thing for Europe then

Also picking up on your first post, why should britain expel all non Britons? The country would collapse

Although I don't have any links to hand I agree strongly that we should leave the EU.

No1 because more government does not solve problems. It never has. We need less government and more democracy.

No2 because the EU has deliberately let over 1 million immigrants into Europe to keep labour rates low in EU countries with high education standards and diminishing reproduction rates.
EU commissioner stated last month they forecast 2-3 million next year. (find your own links, do your own reasearch)

No3 the UK pay more money into the EU than we (people) get back in jobs or trade deals. This is a method for taking money from people (in taxes) and funnelling it into the pockets of company shareholders.

No 4 trade deals are made between businesses. ( i sell, you buy ) Not politicians. No trade deals organised by the EU have benefited the working class folks of Britain.

In the north east there is a nissan factory, it provides many jobs. Nissan have said that they wouldn't be there if not for the single market.

Do British workers ever buy products from the continent? If so then they are fortunate to pay no import duties.

The EU, working as a combined trading bloc can get much better deals than Britain could alone

I understand the jobs in the north east. I really do. but I don't believe for a second that Britain could not broker a similar deal on our own.
Britain is the jackpot customer for any international company. Britain is the high consumer market that all companies want sell to. Our western materialism combined with lack of internal manufacturing or production makes us the ideal consumer. Those Nissans will not be shipped and sold abroad....

The EU actively protects manufacturers and producers within the EU, by using quotas and taxes on sellers outside the EU. This stops uk public from benefiting from cheaper foreign products.

If you have already made up your mind, nothing I say will change it. But many non EU countries are benefitting hugely from non membership, Norway Switzerland etc. Britain has been under the EU for so long its hard for some to imagine life outside, but why can all these other countries do without so easily? not to mention countries within the EU that are totally fucked. Greece, Italy, France, Spain.

Oh..... And aliens, lizard people and...... Some kind of mind control or something!!

I think I'll trust the IFS before some random person on the internet, 2 extra years of austerity and all the trade options being worse than they currently are

Then don't bother with a post asking for opinions on the EU from random people on the internet

You have provided no evidence, not a single link or quote.

You'll want to do some research of your own, then, before just spewing nonsense.

Don't know if you remember WW2 but nationalism was not a good thing for Europe then

Do know that you know fuck all about history and have no comprehension of what you're saying.

Also picking up on your first post, why should britain expel all non Britons?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BRITONS AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE THERE.

The country would collapse

Citation fucking needed. It would grow faster than ever.

What a surprise, they are links to neo nazi pages, who probably still believe in all the bullshit psuedo science about race.

I have a very good understanding of history, care to explain to me why I don't?

Who would you class as a non Briton? We are a nation of immigrants

NHS, very many foreign doctors working in it, we kick them out for some stupid reason of "ethnic purity" then health system would likely collapse

What a surprise, they are links to neo nazi pages

  1. There's not a single fucking neo-nazi anything anywhere in that list.

  2. You have absolutely no fucking argument whatsoever and have had your worldview shattered so completely that you're flying into a fit of buzzwords and historical revisionism.

the bullshit psuedo science about race.

The only bullshit pseudoscience about race is the belief that there is only one of them.

I have a very good understanding of history, care to explain to me why I don't?

Already did. Now shut the fuck up if you don't have an argument.

Who would you class as a non Briton?

People who aren't British. You know exactly who they are.

We are a nation of immigrants

Not even remotely fucking close to being accurate. Not for the US, not for the UK.

NHS, very many foreign doctors working in it, we kick them out for some stupid reason of "ethnic purity" then health system would likely collapse

The health system is already collapsing and it has fuck all to do with immigrants. Socialized medicine only works when someone else is footing the bill.

1: the first link you provided is to a golden dawn site, they are neo Nazis

2: my worldview has not been shattered as I know that you are completely wrong

So are people from Poland from say WW2 British? They helped us win the battle of Britain. Or better yet Sadiq Khan, mayor of London, surely he is British?

I never claimed there is "one race", merely that it isn't the be all and end all and there won't be some social Darwinism final clash of the races

How is the US not a country of immigrants? The Europeans colonised it and committed REAL genocide on the native population. Britain's history is marked by changes to our population, from the Angles and Saxons (German) to Normans

Actually the NHS is one of the best providers of healthcare in the world and it is due to government policy that it is struggling so much

1: the first link you provided is to a golden dawn site, they are neo Nazis

  1. No, it's to an image of the text of a book.

  2. Your point is moot.

2: my worldview has not been shattered as I know that you are completely wrong

Then prove it, fucker. You have absolutely nothing. It's shattered beyond repair. You have no reply.

So are people from Poland from say WW2 British?

Are you stupid?

Or better yet Sadiq Khan, mayor of London, surely he is British?

Nope.

How is the US not a country of immigrants?

Because it's not? Because it's a nation of settlers who founded an institution out of nothing into which further settlers came and adapted?

The Europeans colonised it and committed REAL genocide on the native population.

Sorry. No. There was no indio genocide. Try again.

Actually the NHS is one of the best providers of healthcare in the world

Which is why it's collapsing.

1/2: look at the top left of the first photo. Tell me exactly what the search bar says.

There isn't anything for me to prove, white genocide is a load of crap and the EEC was made to help Europe's economy primarily

Ok, so the polish people who have lived here for 70 years, fought in the battle of Britain (1/5 pilots were polish) are not British and should be deported?

Sadiq khan regards himself as British, he is the mayor of the capital and clearly has 'British values'

Ok, so you say that people went to America and just did everything on their own? Rubbish. They were colonies of Britain. So when America declared independence were the people arriving immigrants or settlers (not that there is any difference)

No native American genocide? That is a very bold claim that you have to provide proof for. Almost like saying Caesar didn't commit genocide on the Gauls

Edit: The NHS is being targeted by the government who are steadily privatizing it. It provides equal treatment for all, not just the rich

Tell me exactly what the search bar says.

http://www.TheSourceOfTheInformationHasFuckAllToDoWithAnyDiscussionsAboutItsLegitimacy.com/You’reACowardForThinkingOtherwise.html

There isn’t anything for me to prove, white genocide is a load of crap

Prove it, then. Shouldn’t be too hard. Oh, wait, no the definition of the word ‘genocide’ is met in full.

1. Question and minimize the statistics. “Whites are the majority in white countries; their population is going up, not down.” 2. Attack the motivations of the truth-tellers. “These are just crazy claims by white supremacists and racists.” 3. Claim that the deaths were inadvertent. “There is no coordinated plan to eliminate the white race. That is just a conspiracy theory.” 4. Emphasize the strangeness of the victims. “White people have historically enjoyed disproportionate social privileges. Now their countries are becoming just like the rest of the world.” 5. Rationalize the deaths as the result of tribal conflict. “White people are just worried that they will no longer enjoy the privileges of being an ethnic majority.” 6. Blame ‘out of control’ forces for committing the killings. “Most immigrants are peaceful and hard working. Islamic extremism is a very small minority and does not represent the immigrant population.” 7. Avoid antagonizing the genocidists, who might walk out of the ‘peace process’. “Reconciliation is the first step toward solving issues of race in the West. We must learn to live together.” 8. Justify denial in favor of current economic interests. “Immigrants are crucial to our economic recovery. Immigrants perform jobs most people do not want and spend money that helps grow the economy.” 9. Claim that the victims are receiving good treatment. “White people today are still well above average in terms of education and financial success.” 10. Claim that what is going on does not fit the definition of genocide. “Mass immigration is not the same as genocide. Genocide is the destruction of a people.” 11. Blame the victims. “White people should atone for their history of racism and privilege. Accepting refugees and immigrants from less fortunate countries is crucial to this process.” 12. Say that peace and reconciliation are more important than blaming people for genocide. “The most important thing is that people from all cultures can learn to live together peacefully. There is no reason for a crazy ‘white genocide’ witch hunt.”

YOU’RE A LIAR.

and the EEC was made to help Europe’s economy primarily

Which is, of course, why it has done nothing but hurt it.

Ok, so the polish people who have lived here for 70 years, fought in the battle of Britain (1/5 pilots were polish) are not British and should be deported?

Yep.

Sadiq khan regards himself as British

I regard myself as black. Doesn’t mean I can get the racist scholarships, though!

clearly has 'British values’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA Comedy! You’re good.

Ok, so you say that people went to America and just did everything on their own? Rubbish.

Okay. So where was the nation into which they migrated and assimilated when they came over? Oh, that’s right, THERE WAS NONE.

So when America declared independence were the people arriving immigrants or settlers (not that there is any difference)

  1. Settlers.

  2. Learn the definition of words before making yourself look stupid.

No native American genocide? That is a very bold claim that you have to provide proof for.

Not really, since it’s your claim. Your claim is that there was a genocide of natives. Since you don’t know what the fuck the word ‘genocide’ means, take a look at the link I gave you and then try to match up said actions to what happened. You won’t be able to do so.

It provides equal treatment for all, not just the rich

Whoop de fuck. Guess what every our healthcare system does, but which isn’t subsidized by other nations? Same thing.

The Brits should leave, the EU is a globalist project run by a neoliberal oligarchy...not like the British politicians aren't part of it but by leaving the British people will weaken neoliberal hegemony and be able to have more say over their own future.

Would it really give Britain more say? We likely would have to accept regulations as part of the trade deal which we would need, this time however we would have no say whatsoever in these laws

Would it really give Britain more say? We likely would have to accept regulations as part of the trade deal which we would need, this time however we would have no say whatsoever in these laws

You'll have more say over your internal future and be able to opt out of anything at any time.

You can't just opt out of particular bits of rules for a trade deal. We need them more than they need us

Maybe you're not understanding me, I'm saying that if at any time you want to change your society you can do it without EU intervention. Also a trade deal is a trade deal it's not the same as surrendering sovereignty

Could you maybe give me a hypothetical example? Also lets say for us to be part of the single market we need to accept EU regulations on the environment, this would undermine our sovereignty as we may risk the deal if we abandon their policy but have no say.

Sovereignty is a rather moot point when britain's electoral system is broken

Let's say you want to elect Jeremy Corbyn, and he wants to nationalize public utilities he can't since its against EU regulations, let's say you want to restrict free movement you can't since EU 4 freedoms

Other countries have far more nationalisation than us and are members of the EU.

Free movement is a huge benefit of being in the EU.

Thing is sovereignty is taken away by many things, this isn't necessarily a bad thing however

Because those countries like France never had a Thatcher who privatized everything

Renationalization is against EU law

Of course renationalisation is very unlikely with Corbyn as leader

Then don't bother with a post asking for opinions on the EU from random people on the internet

What a surprise, they are links to neo nazi pages, who probably still believe in all the bullshit psuedo science about race.

I have a very good understanding of history, care to explain to me why I don't?

Who would you class as a non Briton? We are a nation of immigrants

NHS, very many foreign doctors working in it, we kick them out for some stupid reason of "ethnic purity" then health system would likely collapse