America is the Melting Pot. It's the tip of the spear. As crappy as some of the things that have happened there have been, America has been a beacon. Its mistakes can be fixed. Destroying it is not the Best Way.
When the puppet master is pulling your strings, that's a sign you need to reclaim your sovereignty. A revolution of thinking is needed, but not a revolution of control. The former will trigger the latter.
I agree with you, however the large swatch of our citizenry that still supports any politicians still do not know they have better tools available and will therefore be extremely reactionary. To be destructive is the easiest response, to being abused for a lifetime and the one most will follow. I agree with what you are saying, just expressing doubt as to whether the people will be willing to take the high path and do the right thing. The blue stripe patches on the cops is an example. I happen to believe there are many of them just waiting to speak truth to power, but groupthink and hate for other are still dominant.
It's no lies, man. It's observable reality. If We are capable of being sovereign, and in a good way, then We need to seize it. Right now, the puppetmasters are trying to write everyone's narrative. I've had enough of that.
I'm saying that the design has been laid for a civil war and the assassination of Trump would trigger it. I'm advocating for the divisive thinking and programmed patterns to be ignored. Just get to know your neighbour instead.
Yap , America is in stage 2 destabilization rushing towards stage 3 crisis( civil war ) according to Yuri Bezmenov.
Normalization may come with Trump(peacefully),a Sanders and Clinton will definitely trigger "Crisis stage" , based alone on what they've campaigned so far.
If Trump manages to assume control and if normalization is his end goal, he might be able to bring it , by stopping the hemorrhaging.
Normalization process would put a dent into the "Globalist" agenda, so it's obvious they might wanna do something about it.
imo it doesn't really matter who is in charge. the system is badly designed and badly corrupted. what matters is avoiding war. that's the first step. after that we have to have a peaceful revolution.
Trump is the only candidate we're seeing who has had what I'll term "windup incidents" en masse. The same kinda play as Ferguson. Divide and conquer. To pull this off you need to control both sides. It's a dualistic narrative, a Punch and Judy show.
Bernie has spent a lifetime advocating for humanist ideals. He's not the divisive figure Trump is. Hillary's a non-starter - everyone thinks she's bought already. Trump is the guy whose narrative will lead to civil war. None of the others will do that.
They killed the leading Dutch presidential candidate Pim Fortuyn - a guy who was a Trump clone only a little balder - somewhere in the early naughties ... Didn't do anything major.
They tried to assassinate Flemish (Belgian Dutch) far-right party leader Filip Dewinter TWICE this year alone ... didn't cause any uproar.
Let's put this in perspective. They have killed EVERYONE who has even hinted at going off narrative. That's the scale we're dealing with. There are no easy answers. All we have are our ideas.
And, oh yeah, they have the ability to see the future and to time travel. Either we design our tactics around this reality or we lose. There's no room for error in our designs. This is not a joke comment. If you pay attention you'll see that this is almost certainly the situation.
We can also infer that there aren't that many of Them. If there were, they'd have a much tighter reign. They have to pick who to target. They can't do it that overtly lest they waken the giant. The changes have to be done slowly. Divide and conquer is their MO. Beware the incendiary.
Fuck that, I want a Civil War. Fuck you pacifist bitches. This country's founders were the founding fathers, men willing to fight & die for their beliefs, not pacifist pussies.
then you don't understand the Hermetic principles. cause and effect, in this case. you're exactly the type they need to push an agenda, but you're too blind to see it, or you're too ignorant to care.
Where i'm from this means Foosball so i haven't the slightest clue what you're trying to ask. Hah!
While the majority of modern, comparatively-radical leaning intellectual types tend to have a strong inclination toward pacifism, they get mired in an unmistakable irony when trying to reconcile this with the sole solution to the hierarchic violence on which western society is based. Only sending it back up the hierarchy can affect anything resembling change, and even if total class-war erupted on every street-corner, tearing down the entire thing then organizing and implementing even the most marginal improvements is a feat that closer resembles a pipe-dream than a plan of action.
I mean jiu jitsu (particularly the Brazilian variant) - the martial art. It's the "slack" martial art. Slack, generally speaking, is the best strategy to deal with conflict. It doesn't mean to avoid conflict. It means to exist within a conflict situation by being fluid and getting the other guy to do the work for you. It's a maximization of result for minimal effort kinda strategy. Slack is Good Design.
As to how one handles hierarchy it's simple - effect Slack. Hierarchy aka the Hero Narrative, is a brittle design. It doesn't model reality well. The Hero nodes in a hierarchy are imperfect. They can be bought, coerced, wrong, have limited domain knowledge, have limited scale of effort. If you want to break a hierarchy you just give the Hero nodes more work to do. This is what I mean by Slack. Hierarchies can't scale their model to handle large sets because the deluge of actors finds gaps in the model. Hierarchical models are Bad Design. Anywhere you see them they end up failing (eg. SQL schemas, object hierarchies). They're great to rough out a design but suck to actually keep a functional, evolving design. They just don't work. If you want to break them you just have to increase the burden on the Hero nodes. It's a Hero Narrative fail.
The most common way for Hierarchies to evolve themselves as a response to their critics is to encourage conformity. With conformity they can remove the outliers. Of course this is only a temporary fix. It too is ultimately failing. Conformity is the Monoculture Narrative, and this is also Bad Design, and ultimately will fail. When you're in a monoculture it's like falling down an ever narrowing hole. Monocultures erode themselves from within. In addition, being mono, they provide a smaller exploitation challenge.
The people in power suck at design, and that's why and how they will fall.
I agree on pacifism. The civil war business mean death and not just to your enemies. Everyone gets caught up in it, family friends and innocent people. Not to mention the economy tanks, simple things like water and power are cut off not to mention what the government would do. Anyone they deem against them would fall under the title of terrorist. Our rivals abroad (China, Russia, etc.) would seize this time to weaken us further. If you want to know what it would look like take a look at what happened to Bagdad after it fell.
Some people just want to see the world burn. They should just set themselves on fire.
The ignorance of pacifism will see the whole world destroyed or in flames long before those who rationally fight to defend freedom & liberty cause its destructions.
I am no fan of pacifism. Fighting does not have to mean going to war. As far as freedom goes, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I have no doubt those that would take up arms would fall into that later category. We haven't seen anything like it in our time but there were times in this countries not to distant past that the government violently and ruthlessly put down those that tried to change things through violence. There are other ways to change the system that don't include a gun in hand.
all things are possible. i see a threat of civil war because war, like all sustained conflict, requires a very strongly polarized duality (Note: Saturn is the "god" of war for this reason). both sides have to get "wound up". the only candidate who has this kinda polarization is the Trump card.
I always thought Mars was the Force associated with war, although to some Saturn is very important. All things are possible and you have to love the name is trump (trump card).
The reason to me that we are more likely to see large parts of the population banding together and fighting other organized groups is that the majority of the cities and counties are somewhat mixed through race and political belief. I think the south may be an exception. I think this would hinder the massing of 1000s of armed citizen to initially start a civil war.
What I could easily see is several militias/line gunman committing acts of violence and rebellion. If these acts went unchallenged by the government that could grow to something larger. I think it is important to know the government has plans on file to deal with every type of ranging from Russian invasion to Alien invasion and without a doubt citizen uprisings. I would imagine in a crisis anyone on the wrong side of them would be either imprisoned/killed/everything they owned taken away.
It is an interesting time to be an American. I have not seen this level of political chaos before and I must say it makes me a little nervous.
You could be right. John Titor said to look at the map of election results historically to discern who's on which side. I think there's some merit to this overly broad heuristic.
As to the gov's role. I can only address the surface and try to infer stuff from that. The gov has loads of continuity of gov plans. It's built a machine to address the militia/civil war thing. So I would expect the gov to act like a machine. If trigger events happen it will respond. This does not bode well for anyone. Such a conflict between the state and the citizens will not go well and will lead to decades of problems, some of which may be impossible to heal. Such a conflict would inevitably fracture the country into several pieces. That's just how human psychology works.
Fighting isn't the answer, imo. It's played out. Alternate approaches which don't destroy have to be tried first. Freeman Fly and Frater X have an idea they term the "Friendship Agenda". I think this is exactly the way to start.
I think you are spot on about the gov acting like a machine to preserve it's status quo. I imagine that machine would take on the form of a meat grinder.
Nobody would even flinch. Sure, a lot of o-dear-ism at first, but folks would just go about their dreary lives the day after. Like we even have a choice ...
then you don't understand the Hermetic principles. cause and effect, in this case. you're exactly the type they need to push an agenda, but you're too blind to see it, or you're too ignorant to care.
I agree on pacifism. The civil war business mean death and not just to your enemies. Everyone gets caught up in it, family friends and innocent people. Not to mention the economy tanks, simple things like water and power are cut off not to mention what the government would do. Anyone they deem against them would fall under the title of terrorist. Our rivals abroad (China, Russia, etc.) would seize this time to weaken us further. If you want to know what it would look like take a look at what happened to Bagdad after it fell.
Some people just want to see the world burn. They should just set themselves on fire.
The ignorance of pacifism will see the whole world destroyed or in flames long before those who rationally fight to defend freedom & liberty cause its destructions.
57 comments
4 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-06-03
What script? The script of killing him or the script of tearing everything the fuck down if it happens?
8 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
America is the Melting Pot. It's the tip of the spear. As crappy as some of the things that have happened there have been, America has been a beacon. Its mistakes can be fixed. Destroying it is not the Best Way.
When the puppet master is pulling your strings, that's a sign you need to reclaim your sovereignty. A revolution of thinking is needed, but not a revolution of control. The former will trigger the latter.
5 ifltrdby 2016-06-03
I agree with you, however the large swatch of our citizenry that still supports any politicians still do not know they have better tools available and will therefore be extremely reactionary. To be destructive is the easiest response, to being abused for a lifetime and the one most will follow. I agree with what you are saying, just expressing doubt as to whether the people will be willing to take the high path and do the right thing. The blue stripe patches on the cops is an example. I happen to believe there are many of them just waiting to speak truth to power, but groupthink and hate for other are still dominant.
6 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
that's the Challenge We Have. thanks for your thoughts.
3 ifltrdby 2016-06-03
Thank you for yours.
4 e39dinan 2016-06-03
I think you mean swath. Swatch is a brand of wristwatch.
3 ifltrdby 2016-06-03
Auto incorrect. You are right.
1 areyoufor_realbreh 2016-06-03
Gtfo with your cultural Marxist Bernie shill bullshit.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
what does this even mean?
btw, i'm too nuttery to be marxist. they'd run quickly away from me towards their adulators. that's how weak they are
-1 areyoufor_realbreh 2016-06-03
You don't know what cultural Marxism is, do you?
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
is there some canonical language police rolling around arresting people for multidimensional expression?
0 areyoufor_realbreh 2016-06-03
Oo she's getting fiesty
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
all man here, bro
0 HeyImCallingTheCops 2016-06-03
Don't fall for (((their))) lies.
5 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
It's no lies, man. It's observable reality. If We are capable of being sovereign, and in a good way, then We need to seize it. Right now, the puppetmasters are trying to write everyone's narrative. I've had enough of that.
3 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-06-03
Your thoughts are confusing here. The title implies you don't want mayhem, but your comment above seems to advocate it.
So, are you saying you fully expect Trump to be assassinated? Just curious.
5 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
I'm saying that the design has been laid for a civil war and the assassination of Trump would trigger it. I'm advocating for the divisive thinking and programmed patterns to be ignored. Just get to know your neighbour instead.
4 Jedy_hacker 2016-06-03
Yap , America is in stage 2 destabilization rushing towards stage 3 crisis( civil war ) according to Yuri Bezmenov.
Normalization may come with Trump(peacefully),a Sanders and Clinton will definitely trigger "Crisis stage" , based alone on what they've campaigned so far.
If Trump manages to assume control and if normalization is his end goal, he might be able to bring it , by stopping the hemorrhaging.
Normalization process would put a dent into the "Globalist" agenda, so it's obvious they might wanna do something about it.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
imo it doesn't really matter who is in charge. the system is badly designed and badly corrupted. what matters is avoiding war. that's the first step. after that we have to have a peaceful revolution.
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-06-03
Do you listen to Chris Hedges?
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
not really. he seems like a standup guy, but i don't follow him no.
1 RemixxMG 2016-06-03
How will electing a member of the 1% to the highest office in our country bring any form of normalcy?
1 Jedy_hacker 2016-06-03
George Washington was a "1" % er aswell , are suggesting that a peasent with no power at all would do better?
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
Haven't they all been the 1% or in the debt of the 1%
2 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-06-03
Fair enough.
3 [deleted] 2016-06-03
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-1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
Trump is the only candidate we're seeing who has had what I'll term "windup incidents" en masse. The same kinda play as Ferguson. Divide and conquer. To pull this off you need to control both sides. It's a dualistic narrative, a Punch and Judy show.
Bernie has spent a lifetime advocating for humanist ideals. He's not the divisive figure Trump is. Hillary's a non-starter - everyone thinks she's bought already. Trump is the guy whose narrative will lead to civil war. None of the others will do that.
2 McLeech 2016-06-03
youre talking points are not only ridiculous, they sound like words from a script.
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
well Saturn is a Time Lord...
3 OhMostDef 2016-06-03
They killed the leading Dutch presidential candidate Pim Fortuyn - a guy who was a Trump clone only a little balder - somewhere in the early naughties ... Didn't do anything major.
They tried to assassinate Flemish (Belgian Dutch) far-right party leader Filip Dewinter TWICE this year alone ... didn't cause any uproar.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
Let's put this in perspective. They have killed EVERYONE who has even hinted at going off narrative. That's the scale we're dealing with. There are no easy answers. All we have are our ideas.
And, oh yeah, they have the ability to see the future and to time travel. Either we design our tactics around this reality or we lose. There's no room for error in our designs. This is not a joke comment. If you pay attention you'll see that this is almost certainly the situation.
We can also infer that there aren't that many of Them. If there were, they'd have a much tighter reign. They have to pick who to target. They can't do it that overtly lest they waken the giant. The changes have to be done slowly. Divide and conquer is their MO. Beware the incendiary.
0 McLeech 2016-06-03
And, oh yeah, they have the ability to see the future and to time travel.
Tell us more shit head.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
sure. hostility as a response to new unexpected info is, generally speaking, not a particularly effective strategy.
2 Haelton 2016-06-03
You seem legit crazy. None of your responses on this thread make any real sense.
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
well that's just like your opinion, man.
1 orrery 2016-06-03
Fuck that, I want a Civil War. Fuck you pacifist bitches. This country's founders were the founding fathers, men willing to fight & die for their beliefs, not pacifist pussies.
3 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
then you don't understand the Hermetic principles. cause and effect, in this case. you're exactly the type they need to push an agenda, but you're too blind to see it, or you're too ignorant to care.
3 orrery 2016-06-03
Pacifism is for the ignorant.
3 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
apathy is for the ignorant. ftfy
2 rougekhmero 2016-06-03
In a society based completely on hierarchical violence, pacifism is the arch enemy of progress.
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
resistance is assistance. the solution to hierarchy is slack. do you even jits?
1 rougekhmero 2016-06-03
Where i'm from this means Foosball so i haven't the slightest clue what you're trying to ask. Hah!
While the majority of modern, comparatively-radical leaning intellectual types tend to have a strong inclination toward pacifism, they get mired in an unmistakable irony when trying to reconcile this with the sole solution to the hierarchic violence on which western society is based. Only sending it back up the hierarchy can affect anything resembling change, and even if total class-war erupted on every street-corner, tearing down the entire thing then organizing and implementing even the most marginal improvements is a feat that closer resembles a pipe-dream than a plan of action.
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
I mean jiu jitsu (particularly the Brazilian variant) - the martial art. It's the "slack" martial art. Slack, generally speaking, is the best strategy to deal with conflict. It doesn't mean to avoid conflict. It means to exist within a conflict situation by being fluid and getting the other guy to do the work for you. It's a maximization of result for minimal effort kinda strategy. Slack is Good Design.
As to how one handles hierarchy it's simple - effect Slack. Hierarchy aka the Hero Narrative, is a brittle design. It doesn't model reality well. The Hero nodes in a hierarchy are imperfect. They can be bought, coerced, wrong, have limited domain knowledge, have limited scale of effort. If you want to break a hierarchy you just give the Hero nodes more work to do. This is what I mean by Slack. Hierarchies can't scale their model to handle large sets because the deluge of actors finds gaps in the model. Hierarchical models are Bad Design. Anywhere you see them they end up failing (eg. SQL schemas, object hierarchies). They're great to rough out a design but suck to actually keep a functional, evolving design. They just don't work. If you want to break them you just have to increase the burden on the Hero nodes. It's a Hero Narrative fail.
The most common way for Hierarchies to evolve themselves as a response to their critics is to encourage conformity. With conformity they can remove the outliers. Of course this is only a temporary fix. It too is ultimately failing. Conformity is the Monoculture Narrative, and this is also Bad Design, and ultimately will fail. When you're in a monoculture it's like falling down an ever narrowing hole. Monocultures erode themselves from within. In addition, being mono, they provide a smaller exploitation challenge.
The people in power suck at design, and that's why and how they will fall.
0 smartal 2016-06-03
Kool-aid tastes good.
0 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
I agree on pacifism. The civil war business mean death and not just to your enemies. Everyone gets caught up in it, family friends and innocent people. Not to mention the economy tanks, simple things like water and power are cut off not to mention what the government would do. Anyone they deem against them would fall under the title of terrorist. Our rivals abroad (China, Russia, etc.) would seize this time to weaken us further. If you want to know what it would look like take a look at what happened to Bagdad after it fell.
Some people just want to see the world burn. They should just set themselves on fire.
1 orrery 2016-06-03
The ignorance of pacifism will see the whole world destroyed or in flames long before those who rationally fight to defend freedom & liberty cause its destructions.
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
I am no fan of pacifism. Fighting does not have to mean going to war. As far as freedom goes, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I have no doubt those that would take up arms would fall into that later category. We haven't seen anything like it in our time but there were times in this countries not to distant past that the government violently and ruthlessly put down those that tried to change things through violence. There are other ways to change the system that don't include a gun in hand.
1 orrery 2016-06-03
Passive resistance has proven to be no resistance at all.
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
That is not what I am saying.
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
Civil war? I doubt it. I imagine multiple acts of violence and a lot of empty threats.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
all things are possible. i see a threat of civil war because war, like all sustained conflict, requires a very strongly polarized duality (Note: Saturn is the "god" of war for this reason). both sides have to get "wound up". the only candidate who has this kinda polarization is the Trump card.
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
I always thought Mars was the Force associated with war, although to some Saturn is very important. All things are possible and you have to love the name is trump (trump card).
The reason to me that we are more likely to see large parts of the population banding together and fighting other organized groups is that the majority of the cities and counties are somewhat mixed through race and political belief. I think the south may be an exception. I think this would hinder the massing of 1000s of armed citizen to initially start a civil war.
What I could easily see is several militias/line gunman committing acts of violence and rebellion. If these acts went unchallenged by the government that could grow to something larger. I think it is important to know the government has plans on file to deal with every type of ranging from Russian invasion to Alien invasion and without a doubt citizen uprisings. I would imagine in a crisis anyone on the wrong side of them would be either imprisoned/killed/everything they owned taken away.
It is an interesting time to be an American. I have not seen this level of political chaos before and I must say it makes me a little nervous.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
You could be right. John Titor said to look at the map of election results historically to discern who's on which side. I think there's some merit to this overly broad heuristic.
As to the gov's role. I can only address the surface and try to infer stuff from that. The gov has loads of continuity of gov plans. It's built a machine to address the militia/civil war thing. So I would expect the gov to act like a machine. If trigger events happen it will respond. This does not bode well for anyone. Such a conflict between the state and the citizens will not go well and will lead to decades of problems, some of which may be impossible to heal. Such a conflict would inevitably fracture the country into several pieces. That's just how human psychology works.
Fighting isn't the answer, imo. It's played out. Alternate approaches which don't destroy have to be tried first. Freeman Fly and Frater X have an idea they term the "Friendship Agenda". I think this is exactly the way to start.
1 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
I think you are spot on about the gov acting like a machine to preserve it's status quo. I imagine that machine would take on the form of a meat grinder.
2 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
imagination isn't required. careless machines ARE meat grinders
0 kelkekelle 2016-06-03
Nobody would even flinch. Sure, a lot of o-dear-ism at first, but folks would just go about their dreary lives the day after. Like we even have a choice ...
1 Jedy_hacker 2016-06-03
Don't know if you've observed so far but this no longer ain't your normal prez. election.
1 Mr-bachman 2016-06-03
I feel like that would be the response to anyone's death and that's pretty sad
3 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
then you don't understand the Hermetic principles. cause and effect, in this case. you're exactly the type they need to push an agenda, but you're too blind to see it, or you're too ignorant to care.
-1 areyoufor_realbreh 2016-06-03
You don't know what cultural Marxism is, do you?
0 smartal 2016-06-03
Kool-aid tastes good.
1 AccurateLinguist 2016-06-03
resistance is assistance. the solution to hierarchy is slack. do you even jits?
0 Onyyyyy 2016-06-03
I agree on pacifism. The civil war business mean death and not just to your enemies. Everyone gets caught up in it, family friends and innocent people. Not to mention the economy tanks, simple things like water and power are cut off not to mention what the government would do. Anyone they deem against them would fall under the title of terrorist. Our rivals abroad (China, Russia, etc.) would seize this time to weaken us further. If you want to know what it would look like take a look at what happened to Bagdad after it fell.
Some people just want to see the world burn. They should just set themselves on fire.
1 orrery 2016-06-03
The ignorance of pacifism will see the whole world destroyed or in flames long before those who rationally fight to defend freedom & liberty cause its destructions.