Holy fucking shit... /r/news has locked 3 posts about the shootings.

They just deleted another one.

I just woke up and saw it on the news and thought "Reddit will have the story."

I had to dig just to find this...what the fuck?

ya... the deadliest shooting on US soil, isn't even on the front page here? What the hell is going on with this site? Used to be the only place to get my news, now??

Even Reddit gets censored

Not to be crass but im pretty sure the folks at the alamo would beg to differ about this being the deadliest shooting on american soil.

Not saying what happened last night was not deplorable. But you know. Facts

The Alamo was a battle between two armies. It doesn't count towards shootings in the same way.

Ok a war, but still shooting. If you want to be literal then it should be peace time shooting.

If you want to include war, what about Gettysburg, and Antietam, or half a dozen other Civil War battles with more casualties than the Alamo?

A shooting is always meant domestic peace time shooting. YOU took it literally and included the Alamo.

You're kind of stupid.

Says the herbal life shill.

That's HerbaLife

In all honesty i dont really believe anything i say on reddit. I just like to see people get pissed off about nothing. Because words on the internet arent real.

Also, im trying to see where the line is to get banned from subs. Its been kind of fun.

Suuuuure.

The Alamo was not American soil at the time.

50 people, is A LOT... I mean a whole LOT. Even before news broke of this asshole being an ex security guard, I knew it would be someone heavily trained with firearms to be taking out that many people. Even if you're in an enclosed area like he was, killing that many people, shows of someone who knew what they were doing, felt extremely comfortable around a firearm, and extremely comfortable killing. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was radicalized overseas, and fought overseas as well. This isn't some disgruntled kid, who can never get laid, so he buys a gun, takes it to school and exacts his revenge... no, this is calculated, this is studied, this is prepared. He knew what he was doing and unfortunately, did it extremely well. I am a HUGE pro gun person, and this one actually scares me with regards to the 2nd amendment. This is big... all the others haven't scared me at all in regards to the guns and laws, but something about this one, is gonna enact some serious change... and shockingly, right before Obama is getting out of office...

Free speech gone. Posts don't show up.

Ken M?

News mods have deleted a shit ton of posts regarding the shooting. Which now is the deadliest shooting in US history. They are still actively deleting new posts.

How many total are dead so far?

50

Maybe they have grown some integrity. Everyone knows there are CDC guidelines to try to prevent viral behaviors like suicides and in my opinion there isn't enough censorship to protect us from ourselves. Stop reporting so damn much on these shootings. It'll reduce the recurrence and potential for immortality through fame. Freedom of the press ends where it turns our schools and public places into war zones.

Idk if you saw, but /r/askreddit stickies a thread.

You had to "dig" to find this? The front page of /r/conspiracy? What does that mean?

If you aren't subscribed here or didn't come here looking for it, you will not find it. Usually for a shooting like this there are multiple unlocked threads on frontpage of /r/all.

Only one right now is the_donald's, which I am banned from.

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It's on the front page of a few subreddits, including /r/askreddit.

The deeper you have to look the spookier it gets though.

Don't conclude from you head into others. Pleeeeaaaase... You know what a link is and how you can use it. You belong into the category "1%" of all global Internet users in this regard.

I just went and looked at a new post and in less than 15min it was locked and all comments were removed.

This has to be addressed by the admins... the mods are abusing their powers. Unless the admins agree with the mods agenda

The mods push the admins agenda.

Here's how it works:

• /r/news mods

answer to

• Reddit admins (???)

who answer to

• Reddit Board of Directors (???)

who answer to

• Advance Publications

who anwser to

• The Newhouse Brothers - Forbes' 8th wealthiest family in America

I saw that too. Can someone explain how locking and deleting comments helps anyone? What does that accomplish?

Can someone explain how locking and deleting comments helps anyone? What does that accomplish?

It's conditioning you to not speculate with your fellow redditors or community. They don't want a bunch of people corroborating information like three shooters or two shooters or one. They want to control the narrative.

Mass shooting? Next step is to lock all the threads down. Want to talk about this with your neighbors? Nope, no talking with your neighbors about this either. This is getting weird.

Thank you. This makes sense now. When people talk together, people think. Isolate people and you only have a one way flow of information - from mouthpiece to mind.

If the shooter wasn't a suspected extremist Muslim, this would be plastered over the front page.

If he was a white Christian male this would be the front of Reddit for the next week

Absolutely. The narrative warps depending on the perpetrator's race, religion, gender, etc. Shameful.

Ridiculous. People from all walks of life have an interest in knowing this information.

Can you see this?

yes, lol

Yes

All comments being deleted. There is some kind of fuckery afoot

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With how massive this story is, I can't help but think this is a distraction.

What is going on with the mods over there?

People need to stop worrying about censorship on reddit (everyone already knows how biased and corrupt mods are in /r/news and /r/politics) and start focusing on what the other hand of the these sick puppetmasters are doing. Mass shooting happens during the Bilderberg meeting to take the focus off them.

I don't frequent this sub very often, I'm mostly in the aviation subs but I enjoy skimming through here from time to time when horrific stuff like this happens. I live in central Florida, not Orlando but very close to it and a couple things strike me as weird. The specific bar where all this took place is a good distance from where all the other bars are at and on any given weekend-night there are thousands of people at all the bars. It seems like if someone really wanted to kill as many people as they can, that's where they would go. Granted there are tons of cops in downtown Orlando around the bar streets on the weekends I guess that could have stopped an attack. Almost seems more like a hate crime attacking a gay night club when hundreds of bars down the street have way more targets.

Also a central florida native here. The gay night club attacked isn't a well known bar in that area, like I have driven by that intersection 100's of times and didn't know it was even there. (Also note i'm not gay which might have something to do with it) My family had your exact thoughts earlier. The scary report i heard was that the man who did it was apparently on the FBI watch list. That's why the FBI's freaking out right now in Orlando. Edit: Grammar

Glad we have all this SPYING going on here in the US, with the NSA and FBI having no doubt heard about this guy... still goes to keep the NSA's record intact of 100% never catching a terrorist.

All the information they get is too much for them to handle

Orlando native. Its a pretty well known spot. Probaly the top gay bar in Orlando afaik, except the one on OBT down on the west side. It was almost certainly more of a hate crime than an attempt to kill as many people as possible.

Yup, I don't get all these comments people saying it's not well known. I'm not even gay and I know about Pulse. The only other one I can think of that might have more immediate recognition is Parliament House, but I'd definitely say it's in the top 5 most well known gay bars in Orlando.

Ok, this is one of the premier gay nightclubs in Orlando, it is very well know. If you have a friend that is gay, chances are they know about it.

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I had a couple friends that would make the drive from the coast out to pulse 2 times a week. I'd say it's a pretty popular. Splitting hairs though, this isn't supposed to be an argument amongst us, it's a moot point.

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Maybe a lot of people in Florida don't want others to know they follow a gay nightclub on Twitter.

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That club has been there for almost a decade.

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My friends have been going there for 7 years? I can't tell what angle you're trying to get at.

What is your point lol do you think the place isn't real??

Go to /r/conspiritard

Jesus christ

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Full of shit about what?

I never made any implications - you're the one implying 'only 6,000 twitter followers' means the club isn't real or some bullshit.

Are you implying that Pulse is not an established and well known club in Orlando? If so you're an idiot. Pulse has been around forever dude.

I mean every bar owner says they have the "hottest club in town" but i see what you're saying. My point rather, was that it's not in a bar/clubbing atmosphere like Church St or Wallstreet. It's more secluded in a shopping plaza

Targeting gays

That's the point i was trying to make

Very true, but when you look at where the lbgt clubs are here in Orlando, they tend to be more on the outskirts, Revolution is on bumby, pulse is on south orange, and Parliament House is on OBT close to Fairvilla. I'm not sure the reason why it's like this, but that is how it is. I think the practice of putting lbgt clubs in inconspicuous places started in NYC, which then was how gentrification started, but mostly to make sure their Patrons could feel safe whether they were open with their sexuality, publicly or not. Sorry for the rant. Went down there earlier and it's incredibly bizarre. Not as if anything funny is going on, but the shock that something this crazy happened in my hometown.

Every mass shooting is a hate crime. It just so happens it appears this guy was connected to ISIS and ISIS warned about attacks in florida 3 days ago.

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There's a sub called r/amishadowbanned

MSNBC just had a gentlemen speaking about how quickly a name and a link to terrorism has been found already and how impressive police work and intelligence has gotten from all of these shootings (citing San Bernardino and others), as if these things have improved their efficiency.

Hmmmmm

Good point!

Christ.

And off we go folks. For anyone who has been awake for any length of time, what the hell is there to even say at this point. I don't mean to sound hopeless but our situation in America kind of is.

New regime. More war. Nothing changes.

Is it any surprise this is happening during the Bilderberg meeting? Or that David Petraeus is there in Germany right now and is heading up a new gun control group? Or that Hillary will soon be selected as president to finish Obama's job?

Much more effective than your average powerpoint presentation isn't it? Stupid corporate 'leaders'

Frankly, no.

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One that doesn't sicken me to find out what it does in my supposed name everyday. That would be a start.

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Depends on your definition of poor.

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My definition of poor and prosperous isn't just attached to monetary value, is my point. Yes, America is loaded, but we are morally bankrupt.

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I think that's where it ends and you are right. Just depends on what a person values and finds important.

I don't have the emotional capacity this month to deal with this shit. I have already been cleaned out.

Idk why you're being downvoted. I feel you. It's pretty disgusting how quickly these stories turn into political rally cries.

Literally last night I was reading a comment someone posted here about how a mass shooting would happen within a few days because of elections. Then I wake up and see this happened.... Very eerie..

I think the writing has been on the wall for quite some time. After the Paris farce, I was on this sub predicting the same thing happening in America this year, although, I did also predict that there would be multiple simultaneous attacks. Granted, that would be more difficult to pull off, assuming this is some sort of false flag / hoax operation.

There's far too much political stuff going on between now and the end of the year, with the election, the Hillary investigation, TPP/TTIP, occupation in Syria...that you just knew some shit would hit the fan to keep the focus off it all. This is probably just the first of a slew of shootings we'll see from summer through fall.

Obama may be headed out of office, but Clinton is probably even more adamant about tighter gun laws. I guess we'll see.

I have a friend who doesn't believe the Orlando shooting happened and I'm on this sub to read what others have written about it. He mentioned the phrase "false flag" also and doesn't think there is enough evidence. What are your thoughts?

Well here's the thing - we won't get much, if any, concrete evidence to support anything. Me personally, I don't truly think it's a complete hoax, but the ONLY reason I say that is because a longtime friend of my mom's claims to have lost a nephew in the attack. That's a somewhat vague, shill-sounding thing to say, but I can't imagine this person lying.

However, this is, without question, a false flag. If you're just popping on to the sub for the first time, and are unfamiliar with how most of us perceive geopolitics, then it might be a bit hard to grasp. But the mainstream media is in cahoots with whoever is perpetrating these events, whether it be the CIA, Mossad, ATF, DHS, whoever, and they won't hesitate to regurgitate whatever they're told.

I DO think the Paris attacks were probably a full-on hoax. The photo from inside the Bataclan is a joke, the venue was recently purchased by wealthy Jews, and the only people heard from who were inside were industry insiders and actors. The "suicide bomb" that went off in a cafe, which killed NO ONE but the bomber, by the way, did so little damage to the inside of the building, you'd think someone just threw a plate and a glass.

Either way, we are witnessing Broadway theater on a massive scale, the likes of which the world has never seen before, and with all the disinformation that flows out after these attacks, we have to resign to the fact that we simply do not know what happened. But I'm glad you're looking into this - I think anyone with a critical mind can look at this news coverage and wonder..."is this person being honest? Why are some witnesses being ignored? Why are they letting media into the shooter's home just two days later?"

It simply does not add up. Instead of investigating the facts, mainstream and social media is instead focused on how the attack can be prevented, and what laws need to change, which is exactly what the UN-installed government wants.

Didn't read all of this but I was lead to believe that a false flag means it was set up but people were still killed, a hoax means it was set up and there was no victims

There's been some recent debate about this terminology...the basic idea is that "false flag" pertains to anything that is done by one group of people and blamed on another, whether or not there are murders. A "hoax" is a completely fabricated event where no one died. So while a "hoax" is not interchangeable with a "false flag", the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

In other words..."false flag" is a safer way of referring to anything we're lied to about, without sounding insensitive in case it wasn't really a hoax.

Didn't read all of this but I was lead to believe that a false flag means it was set up but people were still killed, a hoax means it was set up and there was no victims

Didn't read all of this but I was lead to believe that a false flag means it was set up but people were still killed, a hoax means it was set up and there was no victims

Didn't read all of this but I was lead to believe that a false flag means it was set up but people were still killed, a hoax means it was set up and there was no victims

Didn't read all of this but I was lead to believe that a false flag means it was set up but people were still killed, a hoax means it was set up and there was no victims

To be fair, with hundreds of mass shootings per year, if you predict there will be a mass shooting in the next few days there's about a 100.00% chance you'll be correct.

Targeting the left. Welp time to go to war with Isis . Good job "tbtb" your might have actually succeeded this time.

remember how last year at this time everyone in the USA hated the idea of going to war in Syria. Now watch what happens

You know we are already in Syria and the ISIS is not the same as Syria, right?

They are not going after the left. They don't see it that way. There is us the population and the them, the men behind the curtain. They create events and push agendas. They are why you categorizes people into left or right. This looks more about gun control than anything else.

A Muslim extremist shooter will not convince the public to support gun control. TPTB know that.

I agree in some states, but others I think the population is more passive and already sees guns as "evil".

FSA = ISIS = Al-Qaeda.

Okay yes and wouldn't a war against the countries they hate the most kill even more people? That's what I'm saying.

And wouldn't the left who have been against a Syrian invasion/ground war more than the right. Hate it when they put more forces in.

What's the best way to counter the lefts hate for war ... By killing 50 gay people in a gay bar. That would swing the sjw/left vote way further.

Edit : your right about gun control that's why it's always an m16 or ar15. Notice how it's never an ak like most Muslim terrorists use.

Why is the /r/news thread locked???????? Complete BS

Because shooter was revealed to be muslim

he thread is locked because its Muslims on Gay crime. they would never be able to control the comments section, so in the most basic Hebrew tradition....Shut. It. Down.

This doesn't make sense. If the Jews are trying to paint a picture of Muslims being dangerous wouldn't they profess loudly at every opportunity that he was Muslim? Doesn't it make more sense that the site is moving in a more PC SJW direction and so the mods are skewing information that way? And since Muslims are viewed largely as the societal underdogs the mods of these PC subreddits might want to protect their image by suppressing information that might spark hatred towards the group/religion as a whole? That's the kind of self-contained small-scale conspiracy I can get behind.

the 'SJW' movement is powered by marxist jews.

ok

maybe you should do a little research, Jerry.

the more you peel the onion, the more it stinks

the more you reference tv the less I pay attention to you. goodbye, Jerry.

Is this the part where you claim that tv is scheduled Jewish programming that alters the viewer's perception of reality and you're better than the sheeple because you post to an Internet forum which, also according to you, is likewise run by your evil arch-nemesis Hebrew International? Or will you try to say that your baseless depthless comments hold more water than my own baseless depthless comments?

it takes an awful lot of words to deny the jews run hollywood.

And yet the Hollywood Jewish news is at conflict with the narrative they've supposedly supplied about this incident for the likewise Zionist subreddits. Interesting that.

are you sure about that?

I'm not sure if your half-answers are eventually going to lead to a point or not. You seem to be Woke enough to Awaken me...by all means, please do so as a service to your fellow man.

these arent half answers, these are absolute truths that dont require a lengthy hasbara style explanation.

"Hasbara style"? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Do you think throwing sideways swipes at anything related to Jews even where it doesn't make sense somehow makes you enlightened? I can do that too, but then I'd be stooping to the level of matzah

using more words to deny the truth doesnt make you correct.

Alright: I don't believe you. Please wake me up.

that isnt my job. but the truth stands, the jews run hollywood and the media and the "SJW" movement is powered by marxist/bolshevik jews.

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well, then maybe as your assignment you look up George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Barbara Lerner Spectre, and the control of Hollyqood and the media. once you have done that, get back to me. hurry along, you have much to learn.

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You've got Zionist Jews pulling every string to keep you distracted, ignorant and ripe for the picking.

Because some on their mods are muslims and don't want to make their people look bad. Even a SJW mod wouldn't censor this much since the scale of the shooting is very high.

Probably to prevent wild speculation from armchair criminal forensic experts on Reddit.

Nope, they locked it after FBI confirmed shooter is muslim. If you don't know /r/news is ruled by muslim mods like other default subs. It has 6 muslim mods.

Didn't know people here trusted the fbi. Obviously only when it helps further their agenda

Ya because everyone that posts here believes the EXACT same thing. Silly conspiracy sub stereotyper.

If he isn't downvoted that means either people agree with him or don't think it's too outlandish

Trump will come out anti Islam, Hillary will come out anti gun, Bernie will come out and say let's unite and actually do something.

I Have Some Questions!

• 1) Was there some kind of a "swat team training exercise" near by when it happened?

• 2) Has there been irregularities with the communication systems in the area 24-48 hours before the event?

• 3) How fast did the corporate owned mass media arrive at the scene?

• 4) How did the perpetrators look, what kind of clothe did the wear and is there any reliable photo evidence?

Thank you for your kind and sincere answer.

I Have Some Questions!

1) Was there some kind of a "swat team training exercise" near by when it happened?

2) Has there been irregularities with the communication systems in the area 24-48 hours before the event?

3) How fast did the corporate owned mass media arrive at the scene? 4) How did the perpetrators look, what kind of clothe did the wear and is there any reliable photo evidence?

Am I missing something? Did this comment get edited by the OP and it was originally asking some stupid, inflammatory questions? These all seem like legitimate questions to me. Why the downvotes?

I don't think they like being questioned. I think it provokes their angst, if you ask them to take even a mildly critical look at what is going on. They rest is just knee jerk behavior and fear surfacing in an attempt to stay inside their pretty little bubble. I kind of feel sorry for them!

Who is "they" though? I mean this is /r/conspiracy isn't it? These very kinds of questions you asked are part of the very purpose of this sub, no?

It's about critical thinking and considering as many options as possible - including, if not especially, those that might be difficult to grasp or uncomfortable to consider.

I just found it strange that you were at like -2 when I came upon your post. I was like "Did he ask some completely irrelevant question and then edit it and replaced it with fully valid questions or something? cuz I see no reason to downvote what he posted."

Weird.

Regardless, valid questions you asked. Keep it up.

Who is "they" though? I mean this is /r/conspiracy isn't it? These very kinds of questions you asked are part of the very purpose of this sub, no?

Once upon a time maybe. Not anymore. r/conspiracy has been turned into echo chamber for fools and idiots, a mere shadow of its former self, abandoned a long long time ago by the intelligentsia.

It's about critical thinking and considering as many options as possible - including, if not especially, those that might be difficult to grasp or uncomfortable to consider.

I agree.

I just found it strange that you were at like -2 when I came upon your post. I was like "Did he ask some completely irrelevant question and then edit it and replaced it with fully valid questions or something? cuz I see no reason to downvote what he posted."

I agree.

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Those are all the questions that should be asked. Not sure what you're on about.

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Then laugh my friend, laugh as hard as you can, share you laughter with anyone, slander me while you laugh and keep laughing...

Ignore these folks, ask the tough questions because you see the writing on the wall and you're not asleep.

I hope you know you sound like an idiot, not a poetic marginalised revolutionary like you're trying oh so hard to convey

Salty comment! I just asked a few questions, I think I might still be allowed to ask questions despite the Patriot Act. Is it making you uncomfortable that I ask this kind of questions?

I'll be able to give you the answers once Wolf Blitzer gives them to me!

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I have no previous history of mental illness nor does anyone in my family. Are you uncomfortable with my questions?

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Why does someone asking the real questions upset you?

lol the "REAL" questions

closest one to a real question is #4

They're all things that should be considered. Any irregularities in any of them could be a sign of something fishy going on.

that's true except #3, but if the first two applied it would be a story, no?

Excellent post btw.

Yea, seriously. Mvp award. Great job

Orlando resident here.

The Orlando shooter seems to have a Muslim name ("Omar Mateen"), so they're already trying to make ties to Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist groups despite the fact that it was most likely a hate crime.

This all comes within a week of a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that concealed carry is not protected in the constitution, allowing them to make it difficult/impossible for Americans to apply for and receive CCW permits.

Central Florida has some pretty lax gun policies--University of Central Florida students are even allowed to carry their guns in their cars on campus. I have a glaring suspicion that this will all soon change, with legislators citing "the deadliest mass shooting in US history."

My message: if you haven't gotten a license to carry your own protective equipment, it would be in your best interest to do so now.

One of the earliest tweets/reports was this saying that there were two gunmen?

It always makes me wonder when there are initially reports of 2 shooters, but then it ends up there was just one. We saw this with the Aurora shooting and now this one. There were reports that one shooter left the club and started running down the street towards the hospital while shooting, which is why the hospital was put on lock down. Now, the media is saying that there was a lone wolf gunman that was killed inside the nightclub. IF there wasn't a second shooter, I'm interested to hear the reasoning for why the hospital was put on lock down.

The was apparently a police officer working inside the club who initially returned fire. Easily could have been mistaken for a second shooter at first.

Plausible, but that doesn't fit the scenario I heard unless the cop got scared and started running down the street away from the club while shooting, which I'm sure would be against protocol as innocents were in the streets trying to escape.

Aside from the reports of two shooters in recent incidents, the idea of accomplices has been a very grey area for the police. For example, the most glaring instance in the past few years has been the idea that John Wayne Gacy had one or more accomplices as some of the victims found buried in his basement came up missing while Gacy was, in fact, out of town. A few years ago, it was reported that Chicago was preparing to arrest a person they suspected was working with Gacy, then it fell off the radar, and never spoken of again. Why the secrecy? Things just get curiouser and curiouser...

Yeah Gacy said he had 'accomplices' and the only survivor said he believed as second person was present in the house.

Not sure what it implies, I'd guess a want to wrap up the case or lack of evidence, but strange indeed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099744/Did-killer-clown-John-Wayne-Gacy-accomplice.html

For more information on the massive cover ups surrounding Gacy, Son of Sam, and many other "serial killers", read The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry, and Programmed to Kill by David McGowan. Really gives perspective on every mass media promoted act of violence in this country, including this most recent shooting.

Thanks for the recommendations! I'm sure it will be fascinating reading.

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I have a screenshot on my cellphone from last night, while the event was still in progress. It states, "The New York Daily News has reported that one witness saw "at least two assailants open fire with what sounded like a semi-automatic firearm inside the nightclub and outside the south Orlando venue from a vehicle".

Can you post that?

I put it up as a separate post on this sub as well.

http://m.imgur.com/1DUnHP6?r

Perfect timing to distract people from the Bliderberg meeting in Dresden, Germany.

I agree.

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My gf was working the night shift for sky and they got the story (broke it ten or fifteen mins before anyone else in the uk) through social media. She spoke to eye witnesses contacted via social media too. Honestly any idea this is 'fake' and not just yet another hate filled asshole just has no pull for me.

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the narrative must be controlled at all costs, these are dire times no room for failure.

Get ready for the usual social media cycle following a terror attack: Let's not just assume it's Muslims merely because witnesses heard shouting in Arabic! It could be anyone! Ok, fine, it was Muslims, but clearly they weren't REAL Muslims, just some crazy people using religion as an excuse! Here's some statistics on non-Islamic terror attacks. Remember, those happen too! What about the KKK and the Crusades? Did you forget about those? Proof that all religions are the same! Muslims are the real victims here. Their peaceful religion has been hijacked by some crazies that make them look bad.

Every libturds and SJWs ever

Link to ISIS and discovered manifesto in 3,.... 2, .....

So is it true that the shooter is muslim? If this was domestic and you know what I mean. They wouldnt be locking any threads

I can't shake the feeling that this shooting was cooked up by America's own.

his afghan background and muslim identity are social constructs and therefore they do not matter and focusing on them is hatethink

I find it strange how hung up people are about the censorship part because it's some muslim. Let's be honest here, this just furthers the elitist agenda because that censorship in itself will only increase hate against that group and it will only divide people further. Plus we'll see the gun debate brought right back to the forefront and it'll be part of the election cycle for sure.

Really one of those 'according to plan' things for the illuminati or whatever you believe in.

Not sure how this is going to play out or if it will look like a false flag... but as soon as I turned on CNN, gun reform talk. A woman mayor(?) talking about assault rifle magazine clips and shit when all the facts aren't even out.

False flag or not, the anti-gunners will be out in full force. Great timing with the election, too.

Bomb squad and crisis negotiator are on scene

i wonder if obama has started trying to pass more gun control yet.

Do you think we'd be better off with less restrictions to guns? I believe we need to reduce firearm proliferation -- majorly. Limit the manufacture of guns, limit the importation of firearms, limit the access to ammunition, ban videos of sports shooting on youtube and other websites --like FPSRussian because they entertain and create a wreckless gun culture that only fuels proliferation.

Firearm proliferation does not thwart foreign invasion, does not thwart surveillance on citizens, or thwart diminished rights ... all of these things occur with gun proliferation. Access to education and equality in society are the only things that thwart gun violence or violent extremism in general

The only thing that proliferation of guns provides is the enrichment for stakeholders in the arms industry. I think it's funny that people in this sub are afraid or dismissive of socialism and capitalism but it's capitalism that created US fascination with gun culture ... yet any discussions of curtailing capitalism doesn't address the gun culture.

yes i think we would be better off with less restriction.

Firearm proliferation does not thwart foreign invasion

really?

I'm not for takings guns away but what would people with Guns do in this situation? Should everyone be carrying all the time? And even then, the element of complete surprise and shock and being placed under fire...!is every member of society supposed to know the tactics of a trained marine? There needs to be better security at these places. More guns in the hands of everyday pedestrians doesn't solve this problem. And we need to look at the underlying mental illness problem that is so big in our country. We have legislation that makes it hard for people to get the help and treatment they need but then those shame people have easy access to dangerous weapons. We will continue to see these types of events as long as we do nothing about it. One place to start is making it easier for people to access mental health recourses. And maybe we start addressing religious extremism because that always seems to play a factor in these events. It's becoming more and more clear that religiously minded individuals "not all" tend to have a passion to stop violators of their beliefs and we are seeing the results of delusional thinking.

What do you mean by more gun control? Obama hasn't passed a single stitch of Federal gun laws in his entire tenure. He came into office with a super majority in the House and Senate so he could have passed anything he wanted to and he didn't. The "Obama is coming for your guns" was just a slogan that the NRA and gun advocates used to get people to run to the store and stockpile guns and ammo and donate money. If he wanted to actually pass sweeping gun legislation he could have done it when he had the super majority and nothing could have stopped him.

Of course he'll mention gun control because that's good campaign fodder for both sides. The Republicans raise money saying they'll protect your 2nd amendment because Hillary wants to ban your guns and Hillary will raise money promising to pass "comprehensive common sense gun legislation." This happens every single election and no meaningful federal legislation gets passed because a majority of the members of Congress receive donations from the NRA. If Obama really was interested in gun control he had a super majority when he entered office and after Sandy Hook he had enough public support for a new federal universal background check law that he could have signed an executive order for it citing public polling data as enough reason to take matters into his own hands. He didn't do that. He said congress needed to get it done even though he signed a hundred executive orders for other shit. No real gun laws get passed because if that happens both sides lose their fundraising ability on the subject.

All that stuff is mostly a lot of "who gives a shit" stuff that the NRA doesn't even get worked up about. I'm talking about actual federal legislation that would effect normal civilian gun owners. When people talk about gun control they are afraid of gun bans and further limitations and national registries. Having certain types of ammo no longer allowed to be imported etc doesn't really matter. That's not a strong enough issue to raise funds over.

The NRA consistently whips people into a frenzy over whatever Democrat is running for office by telling you they are coming to ban your guns. It's a cheap fundraising tactic. There's never a democrat who isn't coming for your guns but it never happens. Gun sales and NRA donations skyrocket and congress members get paid and that's it. It's extortion: give us donations or your 2nd amendment is gone. I don't believe that. I think there are enough members of Congress who would oppose a gun ban (and certainly enough citizens) without needing to be paid for it.

If you would like an example of what Democrats would like to do in regards to gun rights, look at California. Every legislative session there comes more and more restrictions, and I have no doubt that if they can do that in California, it's only a matter of time (either a little or a lot...more likely a lot, gun-control is the long con) before they try things like that at the national level.

California is not at all representative of democrats on a national level. That'd be like saying Texas is the example of republicans on a national level. Democrats in rural parts of PA and Vermont and New York State would never be ok with sweeping gun regulation. States can do what they want but that wouldn't fly at a federal level.

It very much is, since they have strong majorities and dont need bipartisan support.

In CA: the most common type of ammo is banned from hunting use, there is no right to bear arms at all, only to keep at home.

They are actually currently pushing legislation with their majorities to ban all rifles with magazine locks that comply with restrictions, ban pieces of metal that merely resemble a firearm, and tried to ban all semi autos with detachable magazines.

How the hell do you figure the most liberal state in the country is representative of democrats in rural PA who love guns? There are plenty of democrats who are socially libertarian but wouldn't relinquish their 2nd Amendment rights. California does not represent those democrats.

Yeah, sorry. I cone from the land of no moderates.

More like "crisis acror" amirite?

CNN is continuously interviewing this hipster with a fedora who seems to know a lot about bullets. They also keep showing him helping paramedics carry a victim to an ambulance. The similarities to other mass casualty events is beyond coincidental.

No.

The headlines I've seen indicate that the authorities want to treat this "as a terrorist act".

How the fuck do they come up with that? It's a shooting at a gay nightclub. Definitely qualifies as a hate crime and as a killing spree. But why are they rushing so quickly to slap the terrorism label on this?

So, possible false flag... or just taking advantage of an opportunity to use the special powers they get when it's terrorism. It seems like they're trying to stretch the definition of terrorism to include almost anything... as well as getting the public used to living in an environment of fear.

I was just listening to the radio. News anchor was having difficulty understanding why they have contradictory information. The father said he hated gays, but some FBI agent told the news that it was "possibly" linked to ISIS.

Just wondering if the shooter was white or possibly middle eastern descent?

He was of Afghani descent, but an American citizen.

It's a shooting at a gay nightclub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBxr94XINg

am i crazy or is she crying w/o tears ?

edit. here she is again:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/06/12/witness-gunshots-screams-and-blood-at-fl?videoId=368884198&mod=related&channelName=Aerospace

(seems to have mustered some tears a few hours later after the sun went down)

MSNBC is reporting 50 dead now.

He was a registered Democrat, nonWhite Muslim of Afghani descent: No wonder they're censoring. The worse shooting in US history and it's not a white male.http://archive.is/deIDf

Is the TPP still up for a vote? This is the perfect scenario to pass the TPP.

Let's play spot the crisis actor. This is sad and tragic so I hope my gut instinct is wrong when I think there is more to this than a random hate crime. Please don't find any crisis actors!

/r/news is deleting and/or locking all posts about this. What the fuck is wrong with the mods of that shithole? Can we all just keep posting links to the story

Religion of peace strikes again!

I did read the father of this guy said in TV he was not religious - he just hated gays.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

Interesting article on the alleged shooter with a comment from his dad

Look up non profit Florida business listed as Government of Afghanistan in the family name May 2016. Facebook page of father all about 5th column in Afghanistan (Google translate from Arabic)

Take screenshots, in case.

Link?

curious, why did you ask not to post spicifics of police/fire/EMS??

Following case as well. Look forward to your updates. I'm listening to scanner feeds

ok duh, that makes sense. No PD feed. Thanks for kindly answering my question.

Holding hostages, firefight with cops, browsing reddit.

Yeah, I could see that.

It is a hilariously ridiculous thought to picture a guy shooting a rifle, stopping to scroll through his phone while casually reloading his Reddit app, learning the position of incoming tactical officers.

But who knows, dude could have had someone in his ear. Point is, there's zero benefit to posting the info, and 0.000000001% risk, so, why bother.

When exactly did all this go down & how long was the shooter actually active. How did the media have all the detailed information so quickly.

They had the script beforehand. It's been this way for a while now.

Marco Rubio just said it was one guy with a handgun.

He would know. He was probably there.

I just read a quick blurb that there was at least one machine gun involved...

Ya some US Marshal said it was a handgun and a semi-automatic rifle

Great job, brother. Thank you for keeping us informed.

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The last thing I read were 40 something injured 20 killed, and that the police used some sort of explosive device. Now I read 50 dead 53 wounded and nothing about the police using explosives. Doesn't make much sense.

Mayor declare state of emergency pushing the governor for the whole state to follow suit wonder what their intentions are

Why isn't it ever an ak47 like PRETTY MUCH ALL Muslim terrorists use for assault rifles.

It's always with ar15 or m4 semi automatic rifles.

Couldn't they have smuggled a fully automatic eventually. Isis has had fully automatics all the way back to when they were is panic state of Iraq in 2006.

They couldn't send 1 fully automatic .. Isis does claim all these attacks so why is it always USA guns?

you can't get one here. he most likely had a semi auto AR15 which is easy to purchase

They could easily smuggling one in 10 years . They used to or might still make 1-2 million a day! That is 30-60 m / month. 360-730 million a year.. Do you not understand how much money that is . They couldn't send 1 to USA by now or anything else other than USA guns. Which they get from someone in the USA?

the video sounded decidedly semi-auto, not that it matters.

looks like after trillions of burned dollars and millions of wasted lives the war on terror is total useless ...

Look at the CNN footage of them carrying a guy wearing red boots. You'll see once they think they are out of camera range, they place him down on his feet and he walks away!

Thanks. Yeahhh I did think it was strange I hadn't read about it here before. I learned on rt and am still following ..

Press Conference finished.

What stuck out to me the most was the Chief smirking and His answer to the second shooter question. "No reports of a second shooter"

The other shooters are usually the ones affiliated with whatever shadow organization is sponsoring the attack. Almost all the big shootings have multiple reports of multiple shooters. One shooter killed 20+ and shot another 40+ while taking fire?

I get that but they even grabbed a guy in the woods right outside of Sandy Hook that one time.

and the people who commit ''suicide'' with 6 shots to the head

So no one had a gun?

The cop/security guard he shot past did.

The Muslim guy did.

Hoax

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When was this interview. He fixed his hair for this. Wouldnt he be at hospital with victims, people he was with that night?

I'm sure there will be "conflicting" eye witness reports, just like san bernandino... and I would also bet they will blame it on the internet, and try to take away internet freedoms and enact more gun laws. We'll see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4cs4f3/the_months_ahead_a_summary/d1l8zw1

Another thing to ponder: David Rockefeller's 101st birthday is coming on June 10th (if my memory serves me right (I won't bother googling it right now)). Perhaps "someone" will "celebrate" it by pulling off a really spectacular "ISIS" attack. Or something along those lines.

I later found out that his birthday was today, the 12th. And that it also was George H. W. Bush' birthday. And that Queen Elizabeth would turn 90 the day before.

Well they really killed 2 birds with one stone here. "Let's take their guns away, initiate a police state and drone an entire culture to death." Seems like the best way to go about it.

3 birds. You forgot about smearing Islam. Who benefits from this?

This thread was brigaded by topmindsofreddit.

It looks like Joshua McGill might actually be Joshua Conrad Jackson, a psych major who graduated from McGill University. https://theconversation.com/profiles/joshua-conrad-jackson-259112 & Also list as lab cord at https://umd.academia.edu/JoshuaConradJackson

What's the conspiracy? Is it a false flag designed to make people who hate gays look bad?

If you make people afraid, you can convince them to let you do stupid shit. Like Operation Iraqi Freedom.

To get the left to back war

Divide people, create more hate, bring back the gun control debate just in time for the elections, make the boogeyman threat bigger, etc.

Deport Islam. Not compatible with Western values.

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Hun, this is Orlando. It's ALWAYS pride week!

You didn't know it was pride week but then proceeded to find 5 random dudes to take back to your room?! /s

Hey man, maybe he likes the taste of 5 guys in his mouth. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It's a Saturday evening...just because they don't have any special events going on, doesn't mean they aren't open.

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But why drive 2 hours away to do it? There had to be 100s of other targets that were closer to him.

I have a feeling he was Muslim and secretly gay and had some history with this specific place.

But why there 2 hours a way from home. I can't think of any clubs 2 hours away from me let alone a gay club. I think you are right about the layout but how would he know that or come across that info. Even if he was looking for the ideal location and building structure, how would that pop up on his radar.

I think he had been there before as a patron.

Hegelian Dialectic

Nothing bad ever happens in the US. False flag confirmed.

Shill confirmed.

Fuck you. My paycheck from the gov for what I write is bigger than anything you'll ever receive. Now fall in line like the good little sheep you've been bred to become, you can either be used for profit or become their favored pet. I like where I stand.

I guarantee police killed a great number of those people.

Can you we get any idea to if this is real or Hoax? Can we verify victims are real?

That doesn't mean its real lol. MSM is almost 90% fakery and hoaxes. Researching the victims usually sheds some light on the truth. This has all the telltale signs of false flag hoax.

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It can be "legit" and yet still a false flag attack. Not saying it necessarily was, of course, but don't rule that out.

Yup. People have this belief that the government wouldn't use individuals and throw them away. So they assume that anyone involved in these events is an actor with makeup. It's much easier for the government to just create real death and injuries.

People have this belief that the government wouldn't use individuals and throw them away.

Jesus. The government has proven itself to be the single biggest enemy of the people and the population throughout all of history.

So they assume that anyone involved in these events is an actor with makeup.

Well, that's definitely a possibility as well, however. There seems to have been a lot of crisis actor fuckery that's happened as of the past few years. That's for sure.

It's much easier for the government to just create real death and injuries.

Well, that too as well.

I mean the government, or special interest groups, or clandestine blackop projects, or whatever, can be involved in all these things.

At the end of the day, the real point here is that TPTB can use anything really (the government, corporate groups, to military ops, etc) to exact all manner of heinous, false flag shit against the population.

Post proof . That's not just media announcment

All you've seen is news reports and Twitter messages

You guys are fucking retarded. Keep it up.

"I just dont get it. These people cant really believe the extreme violent nonsense they preach...at least not most of them. Just seems like a built in excuse at this point to act like human garbage. Take out a bunch of people u have never met...in a park...and magically you are no longer a bitter jealous loser but a martyr who committed the ultimate unselfish act. Life more often than not is a swift kick to the balls. But we are all here going through some form of the same bullshit. Taking out lifes frustrations on random strangers is just pathetic and sad."

You were singing a different song 2 months ago.

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It's a Saturday evening...just because they don't have any special events going on, doesn't mean they aren't open.

using more words to deny the truth doesnt make you correct.

Shill confirmed.

They could easily smuggling one in 10 years . They used to or might still make 1-2 million a day! That is 30-60 m / month. 360-730 million a year.. Do you not understand how much money that is . They couldn't send 1 to USA by now or anything else other than USA guns. Which they get from someone in the USA?

yes, lol

That's HerbaLife

Yes