This incident is an open investigation. Unless the media gets ahold of photo evidence the police will not open any information up to the public. It's going to be awhile but there will be evidence released at some point.
It appears the media was not allowed in the home and instead broke in. There is a police investigation into the matter. It seems to be similar to what happened with the San Bernadino shooting.
I'm not "drinking the koolaid" just understand how police investigations operate being an attorney. Contrary to what people think, the public does not have a right to internal police investigations of crimes.
I have seen videos posted from victims on snapchat so there is media out there.
There are a few different videos out there I'm sure you can find as they are readily available. One shows a man who has been shot in the leg being carried. Another snapchat video shows a victim in the club and you can here shots in the background. I'm not sure why you are trying attack my character. I am just trying to provide you with information to better assess the situation.
actually the burden of proof lies on the clamant. If the claim is beyond what the narrative is, in anything, the burden of proof lies on the person who is making the claim. Its actually a logical fallacy call evidence of a negative. Such as "I believe this, until you can prove me wrong" Theres typically also confirmation bias and moving target fallacies, where the person will just continue to scream about what they believe regardless of what evidence is being given. So to your point I dont have to dispel anything, logic says he needs to prove his threory that Pulse was not real
You can't prove something is not there... No photos, no video no nothing, if you can produce some then I'd like to see. But the actual proof lies in those making the claim that this was a real attack.
No problem. I don't understand why that guy was making that argument. 'Logic' would dictate that the ones making the claim, the media and gov. are required to show some proof. Not you or I. Seems pretty obvious to me. 50 dead, 3 hour stand off and no photos, no videos, no pleas for help from inside....give me a break.
and to continue my point: here is your own comment of someone given you evidence, it not being up to your obviously subject matter expert eye on video evidence and then brushing it away because you fit evidence to fit your narrative, not write the narrative based on evidnece
"Video 1: Seems like everyone is very very calm, the 1 "dead" looks fake as hell.
Video 2: doesn't work
VIDEO 3: shows NOTHING worth proof or value.
Good job."
So you moved the target, you asked for one piece of proof, then when you got it, you moved it to 100. You know its against the freaking law to release evidence of an ongoing investigation, right? It creates jury bias. If they find another person involved, the evidence is shot and will be thrown out of court because you want proof of 100 people shot.
You have, you even have a comment on saying that the dead dont look dead. Please provide your evidence that its a fake other than your non-expert opinion
How many other dead bodies are uploaded to twitter when a murder happens? none, you are using strange rationalism to attempt to prove your idea. What is the first thing that happens in this situation, robberies, murders, anything... phones get confiscated so the person committing the crime can control as much as possible, including police response times. Please provide evidence of when Twitter has had proof that was used or ever even put up to a mass shooting, or any shooting
you can keep ignoring the fact that you need to show proof, no one else. You are not the end all be all of anything and therefore decide nothing. However, like any normal argument, you need to provide proof.
Why do i have to prove to you that 100 people were shot? You are floating in this weird area of asking for someone to do something illegal to provide proof that 100 people got shot. My proof is all of the reporting, done
my question is, why would showing you a pic of a body prove anything. would you need to see pulse night club in the background for it to be believable?
or could it just be a body on a stretcher? how would you know where the body came from, or that they were killed in the pulse night club simply from a picture?
if im using the same logic as you, how would a picture prove anything when a massive shooting like this could be fabricated as well? what would a single picture change in your mind?
but exactly like I said, what does it take to prove this person was shot at pulse? how would you know where this happened, would you need to see pulse in the background to prove this guy wa shot there?
heres another pic of someone wounded. do you expect to see the physical wound in their skin, or dead bodies laying on the ground? I dont understand what it is you think these people should be posting if its real?
yes, but why would news crews be that close to the area unless it was already cleared. my guess would be this is after it was cleared and they are going back towards the scene to find help/ambulance.
Yet again, you need to understand that when someone makes a contrary claim, the burden of evidence on them. I can run around screaming the sky is red all day without having evidence to my claim. The fact is that more than likely people arent signing forms to release pictures of the dead and also, its in poor taste.
lol such a troll, i went to your comments where all you do is just shit on people who prove you wrong. You are a completely worthless piece of shit who has 0 understanding of anything. Fuck off
lol. I literally posted a comment of you refuting an earlier poster who gave you the exact evidence you sought and your response was "the dead looks fake" because you are an expert in what the dead should look like? Why dont you address that.
You seem so angry that you aren't entitled to see pictures of the victims for your own viewing pleasure. As for your mother...let's say hypothetically your Mom and you are at a restaurant having s meal and someone comes in guns blazing. When your mom takes 5 rounds and is laying in a pool of blood are you going to record that and release it?
No BS, i've made an alt FB account just to check my privacy settings. Strangers can't see jack shit.
People upload Instagram pics 1000 a minute
You mean, people that aren't being shot at and trying not to die, upload 1000 a minute.
YOU KNOW LIKE EVERY OTHER TIME PEOPLE DIE.
Is there a photo uploaded to the publicly available internet every time someone dies or gets injured?
I doubt that.
So have you looked up the details of everyone involved and checked in all their public and private accounts? It may be that someone posted a photo, just that it's not available for the world to see.
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3 Rockran 2016-06-15
There is video from the club where you can hear gunshots.
As it turns out, when people are getting shot at, they... Run away? Who'd have thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_x1HUaYPQ
5 SugarsuiT 2016-06-15
what?
4 whipnil 2016-06-15
ITT: shills.
Tag em now and watch them leave little slime trails through the comments over the following weaks.
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1 Rockran 2016-06-15
https://redditenhancementsuite.com/
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3 Rockran 2016-06-15
Someone figured out i'm full of shit = The shills are onto me.
I'll remember that for whenever i'm downvoted. It's not me, it's them.
0 daddie_o 2016-06-15
Thick as flies on a summer dung heap
2 dabulls113 2016-06-15
This incident is an open investigation. Unless the media gets ahold of photo evidence the police will not open any information up to the public. It's going to be awhile but there will be evidence released at some point.
5 JamieRoy 2016-06-15
Won't open any evidence up to the public except for the media allowed in his home 24 hours after the attack and a break in to boot. 😒
-1 dabulls113 2016-06-15
It appears the media was not allowed in the home and instead broke in. There is a police investigation into the matter. It seems to be similar to what happened with the San Bernadino shooting.
1 dabulls113 2016-06-15
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/officials-investigating-break-in-at-orlando-shoote/nrfsB/
Reports were not granted access and trespassed through an open door.
-1 JamieRoy 2016-06-15
Broke in yet it was left unlocked and open by investigators. That doesn't sound odd at all.
2 dabulls113 2016-06-15
Sounds like investigators are human or reporters did in fact break in but contended that the door was open.
1 JamieRoy 2016-06-15
🤔......😑......🙄
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1 dabulls113 2016-06-15
I'm not "drinking the koolaid" just understand how police investigations operate being an attorney. Contrary to what people think, the public does not have a right to internal police investigations of crimes.
I have seen videos posted from victims on snapchat so there is media out there.
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1 dabulls113 2016-06-15
There are a few different videos out there I'm sure you can find as they are readily available. One shows a man who has been shot in the leg being carried. Another snapchat video shows a victim in the club and you can here shots in the background. I'm not sure why you are trying attack my character. I am just trying to provide you with information to better assess the situation.
2 NWO_slave 2016-06-15
Good question
0 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
When have we ever paraded the bodies of the dead around, unless its someone super famous. I smell confirmation bias.
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1 SovereignMan 2016-06-15
Rule 10. Removed.
-3 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
Is anyone who disagrees with you a Shill?
4 Gorkildeathgod 2016-06-15
He's got a point, do you have any info to dispel what he said? If not then you're just spewing
0 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
actually the burden of proof lies on the clamant. If the claim is beyond what the narrative is, in anything, the burden of proof lies on the person who is making the claim. Its actually a logical fallacy call evidence of a negative. Such as "I believe this, until you can prove me wrong" Theres typically also confirmation bias and moving target fallacies, where the person will just continue to scream about what they believe regardless of what evidence is being given. So to your point I dont have to dispel anything, logic says he needs to prove his threory that Pulse was not real
3 Gorkildeathgod 2016-06-15
You can't prove something is not there... No photos, no video no nothing, if you can produce some then I'd like to see. But the actual proof lies in those making the claim that this was a real attack.
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3 Gorkildeathgod 2016-06-15
No problem. I don't understand why that guy was making that argument. 'Logic' would dictate that the ones making the claim, the media and gov. are required to show some proof. Not you or I. Seems pretty obvious to me. 50 dead, 3 hour stand off and no photos, no videos, no pleas for help from inside....give me a break.
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1 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
and to continue my point: here is your own comment of someone given you evidence, it not being up to your obviously subject matter expert eye on video evidence and then brushing it away because you fit evidence to fit your narrative, not write the narrative based on evidnece
"Video 1: Seems like everyone is very very calm, the 1 "dead" looks fake as hell. Video 2: doesn't work VIDEO 3: shows NOTHING worth proof or value. Good job."
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2 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
So you moved the target, you asked for one piece of proof, then when you got it, you moved it to 100. You know its against the freaking law to release evidence of an ongoing investigation, right? It creates jury bias. If they find another person involved, the evidence is shot and will be thrown out of court because you want proof of 100 people shot.
0 [deleted] 2016-06-15
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2 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
You have, you even have a comment on saying that the dead dont look dead. Please provide your evidence that its a fake other than your non-expert opinion
1 [deleted] 2016-06-15
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3 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
How many other dead bodies are uploaded to twitter when a murder happens? none, you are using strange rationalism to attempt to prove your idea. What is the first thing that happens in this situation, robberies, murders, anything... phones get confiscated so the person committing the crime can control as much as possible, including police response times. Please provide evidence of when Twitter has had proof that was used or ever even put up to a mass shooting, or any shooting
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3 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
you can keep ignoring the fact that you need to show proof, no one else. You are not the end all be all of anything and therefore decide nothing. However, like any normal argument, you need to provide proof.
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3 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
Why do i have to prove to you that 100 people were shot? You are floating in this weird area of asking for someone to do something illegal to provide proof that 100 people got shot. My proof is all of the reporting, done
1 moparornocar 2016-06-15
my question is, why would showing you a pic of a body prove anything. would you need to see pulse night club in the background for it to be believable?
or could it just be a body on a stretcher? how would you know where the body came from, or that they were killed in the pulse night club simply from a picture?
if im using the same logic as you, how would a picture prove anything when a massive shooting like this could be fabricated as well? what would a single picture change in your mind?
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1 moparornocar 2016-06-15
here you go
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/158701115-story
but exactly like I said, what does it take to prove this person was shot at pulse? how would you know where this happened, would you need to see pulse in the background to prove this guy wa shot there?
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2 moparornocar 2016-06-15
what is it you expect to see in these photos? and who are these people you think post pics of their dead friends bodies on social media?
http://whns.images.worldnow.com/images/10763684_G.jpg
heres another pic of someone wounded. do you expect to see the physical wound in their skin, or dead bodies laying on the ground? I dont understand what it is you think these people should be posting if its real?
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2 moparornocar 2016-06-15
you can literally see blood on the dudes jeans lol.
and it exactly proves my point, any of these photos you ask for can be staged. what proves that it is a victim that was shot that night?
0 [deleted] 2016-06-15
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2 moparornocar 2016-06-15
no need to, your mind is already set. and its clear you dont want an actual discussion based on your replies.
have a great day.
0 dwoods04 2016-06-15
My two cents on this video, if you pay attention to this video, these people are carrying the injured TOWARD the nightclub, not away from it?
1 moparornocar 2016-06-15
yes, but why would news crews be that close to the area unless it was already cleared. my guess would be this is after it was cleared and they are going back towards the scene to find help/ambulance.
-1 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
Yet again, you need to understand that when someone makes a contrary claim, the burden of evidence on them. I can run around screaming the sky is red all day without having evidence to my claim. The fact is that more than likely people arent signing forms to release pictures of the dead and also, its in poor taste.
2 [deleted] 2016-06-15
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3 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
lol such a troll, i went to your comments where all you do is just shit on people who prove you wrong. You are a completely worthless piece of shit who has 0 understanding of anything. Fuck off
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2 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
lol. I literally posted a comment of you refuting an earlier poster who gave you the exact evidence you sought and your response was "the dead looks fake" because you are an expert in what the dead should look like? Why dont you address that.
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2 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
Lol how do you know its not a dead person? Show me proof that this isnt an actual dead person.
1 NWO_slave 2016-06-15
Remember those fake ISIS videos where they chopped those guys heads off. The media didn't have much problem parading that around.
1 muh_condishunz 2016-06-15
fake?
source?
1 DoYouEvenBrewBro 2016-06-15
was it a live investigation?
0 Touritaly 2016-06-15
Give it a little bit of time and I'm sure some photos will begin to surface for you to fap to.
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1 Touritaly 2016-06-15
You seem so angry that you aren't entitled to see pictures of the victims for your own viewing pleasure. As for your mother...let's say hypothetically your Mom and you are at a restaurant having s meal and someone comes in guns blazing. When your mom takes 5 rounds and is laying in a pool of blood are you going to record that and release it?
-1 Rockran 2016-06-15
I see you take the phrase 'pics or it didn't happen' literally.
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2 Black_Boxx 2016-06-15
Your so dense it's unbelievable lol
-1 Rockran 2016-06-15
If someone I knew was gunned down, I wouldn't want pics of their bloodied bodies on the news.
Maybe that's just me.
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0 Rockran 2016-06-15
If I posted a photo to Facebook, you wouldn't be able to see it, even if I gave you a direct link to my Facebook.
Why must everything be publicly available?
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2 Rockran 2016-06-15
No BS, i've made an alt FB account just to check my privacy settings. Strangers can't see jack shit.
You mean, people that aren't being shot at and trying not to die, upload 1000 a minute.
Is there a photo uploaded to the publicly available internet every time someone dies or gets injured?
I doubt that.
So have you looked up the details of everyone involved and checked in all their public and private accounts? It may be that someone posted a photo, just that it's not available for the world to see.
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2 Rockran 2016-06-15
Prove it.
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1 Rockran 2016-06-15
So that's a no.
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2 Rockran 2016-06-15
Prove you're still alive. No pics? Oh okay
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
See how stupid this is?
1 [deleted] 2016-06-15
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3 Rockran 2016-06-15
My 2nd KYS message, congrats.
The fact you're offended by your own logic is hilarious.
2 SovereignMan 2016-06-15
Rules 4 & 10. Removed. Final warning.
1 shmusko01 2016-06-15
You're a joke