Serious question RE: mass shootings. ORLANDO WAS NOT A CONSPIRACY
0 2016-06-19 by Mountin-man46
Is there ever a time where you guys will accept that maybe a legit crazy person went out and shot people? I love the conspiracy world but I think it's becoming a little excessive when every mass shooting is claimed to be a CIA false flag. Occasionally you will have crazy people get their hands on a gun. It happens.
Basically I appreciate the analysis and different ideas, but I would like to propose the idea that Orlando was legit.
It just makes sense to me that a closeted Muslim would do this. I don't see any motive for the alleged false flag. So I believe the mainstream thoughts on this one.
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6 callmebaiken 2016-06-19
It's possible it was legit. It's certainly within reason to question and scrutinize it though given the last 20 years
3 RecklessRatRedditor 2016-06-19
I think it is certainly fair to scrutinize the events that are massively publicized... I think we conspiracy theorists understand that there are crazy people more than most. Knowing that there are literally 'mass shootings' every day in America, I would say it is safe to assume that a number of these are non-conspiratorially commited attrocities by a simple lunatic. And a number of them have other explanations. I think most people here are simply curious to know the whole truth, and aren't satisfied with news headlines and anchor quips to fill the desire.
2 SyPhilisDiller 2016-06-19
It's real. Ask the hundreds of people buying their loved ones this week. Or the hundreds of people that were there that night. This entire conspiracy theory subculture surrounding these mass shootings sickens me. Spend your time loving those close to you...and being tolerant of all people no matter what. That's a much better use of time.
P.s. I am not a government controlled crisis actor. I'm just a canadian gay man who is grieving for his friends lost in this massacre.
1 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
There is no such thing as a closeted mussulman. He was scouting out the location. He was following the Quran to the letter. Please learn about a topic before opining.
3 Mountin-man46 2016-06-19
I meant closeted gay
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
I know; that’s definitionally impossible within his religion.
3 Mountin-man46 2016-06-19
Nah
-1 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Of course it is. You can’t be a mussulman and a sodomite. That’s the point.
1 Terex80 2016-06-19
Well this guy was gay and a Muslim, he seems to have hated himself for the fact he was gay
0 MediaMasquerade 2016-06-19
Which correlates with his religion that he associates with. He even was heard saying something about America bombing his home country, even though hes American so he was obviously talking about Afghanistan, which is primarily and secularly Islamic.
2 Terex80 2016-06-19
Sorry what does that have to do with what I said?
1 MediaMasquerade 2016-06-19
You said he he seems to have hated himself because he was gay, which is fine but he didnt just kill himself. Or his boyfriend, it was a mass amount of people.
And it just so happens that he associates with being Afghani and is Islamic. A tenet of Islam is the death of gays, so regardless of him being gay or not, or this being a "hate crime", his religion most definentely had something to do with his motive.
1 Terex80 2016-06-19
Yes the conflict between what he is and what he thinks is right. Well isn't suicide not allowed in Islam? Therefore that would piss off Allah more, killing people who go against Islam may be some kind of self penance
1 MediaMasquerade 2016-06-19
Thats a very good point i actually had mot thought about, but that still kind of strengthens the fact that he was influenced by his religion even more.
1 Terex80 2016-06-19
When did I ever say he wasn't influenced by his religion?
1 MediaMasquerade 2016-06-19
Didnt say you did. Just pointing out that his religion was the biggest influence and not him being gay like some people claim.
1 Terex80 2016-06-19
Oh right, apologies. I genuinely think it's people scared to be called islamophobic. Way I see it is facts are facts
1 MediaMasquerade 2016-06-19
No problem. I agree. The whole PC culture is killing the natural self defense mechanism we all have in us known as suspicion.
If you think someone is doingbsomething suspicious to the point of like terrorism, speak up. If it turns out you were wrong, atleast no one died when you couldve stopped it. In those situations you almost hope you are wrong.
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he was gay.
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2 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Scoping out the building. It’s how all military maneuvers work.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
Have you read anything about it? He used gay dating apps, went to the club and danced (far beyond simply scoping it out)
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Please don’t ever apply to be a spy or do any covert work. That’s exactly the fucking point.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
I'm sorry but what? If it looks and sounds like a duck what is it most likely? Not a tiger.
You should look up occams razor and common sense
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
A mussulman who was scouting out a gay club to kill some sodomites.
He was objectively a mussulman. He was therefore objectively not gay. Get it through your fucking head.
Yeah, that’s what I’m following. It’s the opposite of what you’re following.
Do you need a fucking flow chart drawn?
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
You don't choose to be gay, or bi or trans. This guy was raised as a Muslim (not musselman please note) and also happened to be gay. Now please tell me how it is "impossible" to be gay and muslim/Christian. I had an English teacher who was gay but also Catholic
-1 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
I don’t, as I’m not. They do, by definition.
Mussulman. Learn what words mean.
Was not gay.
You choose to be gay.
Because by definition of either religion, you cannot be gay and be part of the religion. Period.
Catholics aren’t Christian, but they also do speak out against sodomy, so no, he wasn’t a catholic, then, if he was gay.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
If people choose to be gay then why are they when it is illegal? You are objectively wrong. Why would anyone choose to be gay somewhere it is illegal? Why would anyone choose to be trans, there are loads of horrible parts to being so.
Why can't you be both? No one observes all of a religious text (especially since they tend to contradict)
Edit: Catholics are Christian, just because you don't like them doesn't make them not Christian
-1 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Great argument. Meanwhile every single scientific study ever done proves me right.
Because they are suffering from mental illness.
Because they are suffering from mental illness.
Words have definitions. You can’t be a reptile and a mammal.
tips trilby
They are not, by the definition of Christianity.
Objective truth has absolutely nothing to do with anyone’s personal preferences.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
Do I choose to get depression? Choose to feel suicidal? No. Therefore if being gay is a mental illness (which seems to be you loving bigotry) how can people choose to be so? Also is being gay harmful to the people involved in anyway?
Go ahead and link me to all these scientific studies
You baselessly assume that I know nothing about religious texts, I can tell you that is wrong. Are you a Christian if you wear clothes that contain different materials (e.g 90% cotton and 10% polyester)?
Why do you have such a stick up your arse about lgbt people?
-1 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Not relevant in any capacity.
Yes. You choose not to do anything about these things when you have them.
It is, by definition.
You don’t have the first fucking clue what bigotry is. You are the bigot.
How can mentally ill people choose to act in self-destructive ways? Are you actually asking that? Do you not know what mental illness is?
It is exclusively harmful, yes. There are no unharmful conditions.
Absolutely. I have more, too, that doesn’t lend itself to this format.
You have shown that you know nothing about the,.
You continue to show that you know nothing about them.
Why do you think that your shitposting and emotional diatribe stands in for actual discussion, facts, logic, and reason?
1 Terex80 2016-06-19
Whether you choose to get depression very much is relevant. You claim it is a mental illness (despite providing no evidence) so that surely suggests whether or not being gay is a choice
How is it harmful?
In the old testament mixing fabrics is forbidden. If that is not allowed but ignored Why is being gay bad?
How am I a bigot?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
It’s not. You don’t choose to get Alzheimer’s. That’s still a mental illness. You may not choose to drink small amounts of neurotoxins, but those can cause mental illnesses.
Did I? It’s an imbalance in mental state, but whether or not it’s warranted or unwarranted depends on the individual situation.
As showing the link.
So for Judeans (not jews as you know them), that would be a problem. But for Talmudists or Christians.
You don’t seem to be affording any thought or consideration to the possibility that homosexuality is mental illness.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
If I don't choose to get mental illness then how can some choose to be gay if you claim it is mental illness?
Sorry why do you ignore that part and keep the stuff forbidding homosexuality? It isn't harmful when properly done and doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever
You haven't given any proof besides some imgur 'study'. Also you seem to hate gay people for no reason
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
You don’t understand the definitions of these concepts or are just trolling at this point.
Haven’t ignored it.
It is universally and exclusively harmful.
It does, though.
I have.
Nah, you’re going to want to try the fuck again with an actual argument. Read the fucking link, kiddo.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
Please explain to me how it's ok to ignore the stupid rule about no mixing fabrics but not the equally dumb rule about being gay is awful?
How does it ever harm you? Two guys consent to whatever they choose to, enjoy it, why should you stop them? You aren't very fond of liberty are you?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Because no one is ignoring it. It was abrogated.
Because homosexuality is mental illness, spreads disease, and is not abrogated.
Visit the link.
This is your argument.
Get fucked. You are infringing upon my liberties by wanting to allow degeneracy.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
That picture is a simple strawman. Why on earth should you limit the freedom of others when they do things in private? In a house that they own why is that taking away your liberty?
You clearly believe in positive liberty. I believe in a negative conception of liberty so I doubt I'll be able to convince you.
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
The same reason that suicide is illegal, even in private. The same reason that murder is illegal, even in private and with consent.
I clearly believe in sanity.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
Please answer my question of how they are taking away your liberty? Murder is illegal because you are taking away the rights of others
Aww can't be bothered to look up some basic political theory?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Not if there’s consent.
You can’t be bothered to read the link that disproves everything you’ve ever claimed, so what the fuck should I care about what you have to say anymore?
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
You just contradicted yourself, surely gay sex is fine if there is consent?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Nope. You contradicted YOURself. Surely murder is fine if there is consent.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
Well yes it is. There have been cases with people consenting to being killed. So then why should the state intrude upon the private lives of people?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Yes, okay; we have already established that you are suffering from a mental illness in some capacity.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
You clearly can't read. Answer my question and don't resort to childish name calling
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
No, that’s you, who still shitposts about bullshit I disproved long ago in the link you refuse to visit. Get the fuck over yourself. The backlash is going to be terrifying already. Don’t make it worse.
0 Terex80 2016-06-19
"Backlash" is that a threat?
Tell me, why should the state control what is done in the bedroom?
0 TallestSkil 2016-06-19
Already taken care of.
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4 notevenclose79 2016-06-19
LOL all fake. Get a grip.
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3 notevenclose79 2016-06-19
MSM is a joke, but so are random dudes on the internet.
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0 notevenclose79 2016-06-19
Im not breaking any rules. You just did, however.
-1 Sabremesh 2016-06-19
Rule 5. Warning.
1 notevenclose79 2016-06-19
warning for what? I think you meant to say that to hologram master.
1 Sabremesh 2016-06-19
Rule 2. Accusing other users of rule-breaking. If you think they have done so, just report it.
1 notevenclose79 2016-06-19
I'm confused. Did i violate rule 5 or 2? i don't think I broke any. "get a grip" isn't an attack on anyone.
1 SanitationIsStatism 2016-06-19
Santa Monica; Two police officers who wish to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation say that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was found with a car full of explosives and weapons on Sunday morning, told police he was part of a 4-man team trained in Virginia that included Omar Mateen which planned shooting attacks on gay communities
1 canihaveahint 2016-06-19
Sage
0 BrotherSpartacus 2016-06-19
Orlando was a legit terrorist attack perpetrated by Norhtrop Grumman.
-2 swansong19 2016-06-19
You keep "believing"…the rest of us will stick to "thinking"