It's possible it was legit. It's certainly within reason to question and scrutinize it though given the last 20 years

I think it is certainly fair to scrutinize the events that are massively publicized... I think we conspiracy theorists understand that there are crazy people more than most. Knowing that there are literally 'mass shootings' every day in America, I would say it is safe to assume that a number of these are non-conspiratorially commited attrocities by a simple lunatic. And a number of them have other explanations. I think most people here are simply curious to know the whole truth, and aren't satisfied with news headlines and anchor quips to fill the desire.

It's real. Ask the hundreds of people buying their loved ones this week. Or the hundreds of people that were there that night. This entire conspiracy theory subculture surrounding these mass shootings sickens me. Spend your time loving those close to you...and being tolerant of all people no matter what. That's a much better use of time.

P.s. I am not a government controlled crisis actor. I'm just a canadian gay man who is grieving for his friends lost in this massacre.

It just makes sense to me that a closeted Muslim would do this.

There is no such thing as a closeted mussulman. He was scouting out the location. He was following the Quran to the letter. Please learn about a topic before opining.

I know; that’s definitionally impossible within his religion.

Of course it is. You can’t be a mussulman and a sodomite. That’s the point.

Well this guy was gay and a Muslim, he seems to have hated himself for the fact he was gay

Which correlates with his religion that he associates with. He even was heard saying something about America bombing his home country, even though hes American so he was obviously talking about Afghanistan, which is primarily and secularly Islamic.

Sorry what does that have to do with what I said?

You said he he seems to have hated himself because he was gay, which is fine but he didnt just kill himself. Or his boyfriend, it was a mass amount of people.

And it just so happens that he associates with being Afghani and is Islamic. A tenet of Islam is the death of gays, so regardless of him being gay or not, or this being a "hate crime", his religion most definentely had something to do with his motive.

Yes the conflict between what he is and what he thinks is right. Well isn't suicide not allowed in Islam? Therefore that would piss off Allah more, killing people who go against Islam may be some kind of self penance

Thats a very good point i actually had mot thought about, but that still kind of strengthens the fact that he was influenced by his religion even more.

When did I ever say he wasn't influenced by his religion?

Didnt say you did. Just pointing out that his religion was the biggest influence and not him being gay like some people claim.

Oh right, apologies. I genuinely think it's people scared to be called islamophobic. Way I see it is facts are facts

No problem. I agree. The whole PC culture is killing the natural self defense mechanism we all have in us known as suspicion.

If you think someone is doingbsomething suspicious to the point of like terrorism, speak up. If it turns out you were wrong, atleast no one died when you couldve stopped it. In those situations you almost hope you are wrong.

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he was gay.

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patrons from the club had seem them before.

Scoping out the building. It’s how all military maneuvers work.

Have you read anything about it? He used gay dating apps, went to the club and danced (far beyond simply scoping it out)

Please don’t ever apply to be a spy or do any covert work. That’s exactly the fucking point.

I'm sorry but what? If it looks and sounds like a duck what is it most likely? Not a tiger.

You should look up occams razor and common sense

I'm sorry but what? If it looks and sounds like a duck what is it most likely?

A mussulman who was scouting out a gay club to kill some sodomites.

He was objectively a mussulman. He was therefore objectively not gay. Get it through your fucking head.

You should look up occams razor

Yeah, that’s what I’m following. It’s the opposite of what you’re following.

common sense

Book says to kill sodomites

Person believes in book

Person kills sodomites

Do you need a fucking flow chart drawn?

You don't choose to be gay, or bi or trans. This guy was raised as a Muslim (not musselman please note) and also happened to be gay. Now please tell me how it is "impossible" to be gay and muslim/Christian. I had an English teacher who was gay but also Catholic

You don’t choose to be gay, or bi or trans.

I don’t, as I’m not. They do, by definition.

This guy was raised as a Muslim (not mussulman please note)

Mussulman. Learn what words mean.

happened to be gay.

1. Was not gay.

2. You choose to be gay.

Now please tell me how it is “impossible” to be gay and muslim/Christian.

Because by definition of either religion, you cannot be gay and be part of the religion. Period.

I had an English teacher who was gay but also Catholic

Catholics aren’t Christian, but they also do speak out against sodomy, so no, he wasn’t a catholic, then, if he was gay.

If people choose to be gay then why are they when it is illegal? You are objectively wrong. Why would anyone choose to be gay somewhere it is illegal? Why would anyone choose to be trans, there are loads of horrible parts to being so.

Why can't you be both? No one observes all of a religious text (especially since they tend to contradict)

Edit: Catholics are Christian, just because you don't like them doesn't make them not Christian

If people choose to be gay then why are they when it is illegal?

1. This is not how logic works. You cannot come to the antecedent from the precedent.
2. Because they are suffering from mental illness.

You are objectively wrong.

Great argument. Meanwhile every single scientific study ever done proves me right.

Why would anyone choose to be gay somewhere it is illegal?

Because they are suffering from mental illness.

Why would anyone choose to be trans, there are loads of horrible parts to being so.

Because they are suffering from mental illness.

Why can’t you be both?

Words have definitions. You can’t be a reptile and a mammal.

No one observes all of a religious text

1. You know absolutely nothing about religious texts.
2. Your premises continue to be completely faulty.

especially since they tend to contradict

tips trilby

Edit: Catholics are Christian

They are not, by the definition of Christianity.

just because you don’t like them

Objective truth has absolutely nothing to do with anyone’s personal preferences.

Do I choose to get depression? Choose to feel suicidal? No. Therefore if being gay is a mental illness (which seems to be you loving bigotry) how can people choose to be so? Also is being gay harmful to the people involved in anyway?

Go ahead and link me to all these scientific studies

You baselessly assume that I know nothing about religious texts, I can tell you that is wrong. Are you a Christian if you wear clothes that contain different materials (e.g 90% cotton and 10% polyester)?

Why do you have such a stick up your arse about lgbt people?

Do I choose to get depression?

Not relevant in any capacity.

Choose to feel suicidal? No.

Yes. You choose not to do anything about these things when you have them.

Therefore if being gay is a mental illness

It is, by definition.

bigotry

You don’t have the first fucking clue what bigotry is. You are the bigot.

how can people choose to be so?

How can mentally ill people choose to act in self-destructive ways? Are you actually asking that? Do you not know what mental illness is?

Also is being gay harmful to the people involved in anyway?

It is exclusively harmful, yes. There are no unharmful conditions.

Go ahead and link me to all these scientific studies

Absolutely. I have more, too, that doesn’t lend itself to this format.

You baselessly assume that I know nothing about religious texts

You have shown that you know nothing about the,.

Are you a Christian if you wear clothes that contain different materials (e.g 90% cotton and 10% polyester)?

You continue to show that you know nothing about them.

Why do you have such a stick up your are about lgbt people?

Why do you think that your shitposting and emotional diatribe stands in for actual discussion, facts, logic, and reason?

Whether you choose to get depression very much is relevant. You claim it is a mental illness (despite providing no evidence) so that surely suggests whether or not being gay is a choice

How is it harmful?

In the old testament mixing fabrics is forbidden. If that is not allowed but ignored Why is being gay bad?

How am I a bigot?

Whether you choose to get depression very much is relevant.

It’s not. You don’t choose to get Alzheimer’s. That’s still a mental illness. You may not choose to drink small amounts of neurotoxins, but those can cause mental illnesses.

You claim it is a mental illness

Did I? It’s an imbalance in mental state, but whether or not it’s warranted or unwarranted depends on the individual situation.

How is it harmful?

As showing the link.

In the old testament mixing fabrics is forbidden.

So for Judeans (not jews as you know them), that would be a problem. But for Talmudists or Christians.

How am I a bigot?

You don’t seem to be affording any thought or consideration to the possibility that homosexuality is mental illness.

If I don't choose to get mental illness then how can some choose to be gay if you claim it is mental illness?

Sorry why do you ignore that part and keep the stuff forbidding homosexuality? It isn't harmful when properly done and doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever

You haven't given any proof besides some imgur 'study'. Also you seem to hate gay people for no reason

If I don’t choose to get mental illness then how can some choose to be gay if you claim it is mental illness?

You don’t understand the definitions of these concepts or are just trolling at this point.

Sorry why do you ignore that part and keep the stuff forbidding homosexuality?

Haven’t ignored it.

It isn’t harmful

It is universally and exclusively harmful.

doesn’t affect you in any way whatsoever

It does, though.

You haven’t given any proof

I have.

besides some imgur ‘study’.

Nah, you’re going to want to try the fuck again with an actual argument. Read the fucking link, kiddo.

Please explain to me how it's ok to ignore the stupid rule about no mixing fabrics but not the equally dumb rule about being gay is awful?

How does it ever harm you? Two guys consent to whatever they choose to, enjoy it, why should you stop them? You aren't very fond of liberty are you?

Please explain to me how it’s ok to ignore

Because no one is ignoring it. It was abrogated.

not the equally dumb rule

Because homosexuality is mental illness, spreads disease, and is not abrogated.

How does it ever harm you?

Visit the link.

Two guys consent to whatever they choose to, enjoy it, why should you stop them?

This is your argument.

You aren’t very fond of liberty are you?

Get fucked. You are infringing upon my liberties by wanting to allow degeneracy.

That picture is a simple strawman. Why on earth should you limit the freedom of others when they do things in private? In a house that they own why is that taking away your liberty?

You clearly believe in positive liberty. I believe in a negative conception of liberty so I doubt I'll be able to convince you.

Why on earth should you limit the freedom of others when they do things in private?

The same reason that suicide is illegal, even in private. The same reason that murder is illegal, even in private and with consent.

You clearly believe in positive liberty. I believe in a negative conception of liberty so I doubt I’ll be able to convince you.

I clearly believe in sanity.

Please answer my question of how they are taking away your liberty? Murder is illegal because you are taking away the rights of others

Aww can't be bothered to look up some basic political theory?

Murder is illegal because you are taking away the rights of others

Not if there’s consent.

Aww can’t be bothered to look up some basic political theory?

You can’t be bothered to read the link that disproves everything you’ve ever claimed, so what the fuck should I care about what you have to say anymore?

You just contradicted yourself, surely gay sex is fine if there is consent?

You just contradicted yourself,

Nope. You contradicted YOURself. Surely murder is fine if there is consent.

Well yes it is. There have been cases with people consenting to being killed. So then why should the state intrude upon the private lives of people?

Yes, okay; we have already established that you are suffering from a mental illness in some capacity.

You clearly can't read. Answer my question and don't resort to childish name calling

You clearly can’t read.

No, that’s you, who still shitposts about bullshit I disproved long ago in the link you refuse to visit. Get the fuck over yourself. The backlash is going to be terrifying already. Don’t make it worse.

"Backlash" is that a threat?

Tell me, why should the state control what is done in the bedroom?

Already taken care of.

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LOL all fake. Get a grip.

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MSM is a joke, but so are random dudes on the internet.

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Im not breaking any rules. You just did, however.

Rule 5. Warning.

warning for what? I think you meant to say that to hologram master.

Rule 2. Accusing other users of rule-breaking. If you think they have done so, just report it.

I'm confused. Did i violate rule 5 or 2? i don't think I broke any. "get a grip" isn't an attack on anyone.

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Orlando was a legit terrorist attack perpetrated by Norhtrop Grumman.

You keep "believing"…the rest of us will stick to "thinking"