My experience as a volunteer with AE911 Truth
6 2016-06-22 by 911bodysnatchers322
I reached out to them last year demonstrating interest in being a volunteer. I was reached by someone lets call him Jordan (not his real name), someone fairly high up in the org. This was a pleasant conversation and to this day I still like this person although I kind of ragequit months later (to be explained below).
I was asked to reach out to others in the area, which I did.
I recieved one brief reply from one of three of these coordinators. This reply was unhelpful and so I responded that I wanted some help with how to 'direct' a local meetup in Asheville, NC where I'm located.
I didn't get anything back.
I spoke with Jordan again. He gave me other people to reach out to. I did, and although these exchanges were good (here: look at this video, oh look at that video), it didn't really help me.
I expressed that I didn't want to lecture, speak in front of people, or lead anything that was like an AA group, but that I would do it if it were scripted and very well organized. Of course, they didn't have any of those materials.
Jordan and I decided my best use would be with anti-propaganda because he said he really liked some of the things I had written here on /r/conspiracy that I directed him to.
(Wrt to speaking in front of people, I figured if I were going to speak out about 9/11, I'd write my own thing and then go to the Rotary club instead of some gaggle of people on craigslist. Why have AE911 in the picture if they can't get their volunteers a little assistance? That was my thinking and I expressed it diplomatically)
But that didn't result in getting any materials. I thought about having a 'casual dinner' or some other kind of 'event planning' that wasn't a boring roundtable discussion where I'd have to lead it.
I ended up buying my own "Beyond Misinformation" copies and sent it to the local library, guerilla 'left behind' these materials under Highlights and 3 yrs old Newsweek magazines at doctors' and dentist's waiting rooms, and left them behind at coffee shops on tables.
They released it for free as a pdf so I printed up rip off sheets of the url and put them up where they were allowed to be posted in public.
I told Jordan again that I wasn't getting much help and that I reached out to folks. I also expressed that I would be better at writing rhetoric and 'propaganda', argumentative essays and 'anti-propaganda' strategy. He directed me to someone else. I reached out to them (again) this time with the intro from Jordan and a bunch of links including one to a google doc I was writing with anti-propaganda analyses.
I didn't even get a reply.
Jordan said he was going to a big AE911 meet up in Florida (I think Tampa or something) where he was going to present stuff. And he wanted me to start working on antipropaganda and some other things. I produced quite a lot of stuff for him in short time and gave it back to him with a request for comments
He thanked me and said he'd look it over. I know he was very busy so I gave him plenty of time.
I then sent him some other things like youtube videos and we got in an email battle because it was 'ring of power' that I sent him. He didn't like the anti-catholic 'empire of the city' idea and started attacking it as 'conspiracy theory'. We went back and forth and I eventually just stopped talking to him and stopped responding to AE911 emails. I call this 'ragequitting'. It was when I realized they werent' open minded, they weren't using my work, they weren't giving me stuff to do, and they weren't utilizing me to push their agenda forward so what's the point?
I was like a level 0 dipshit summer intern the boss hired without instructions, just before he took off for a month long vacation in Italy.
This plus their communications behavior of having me do stuff, and then not give me anything back, having me contact people, not having them contact me back, gave me a VERY VERY bad impression of this group.
Like maybe some of the people here who have criticized AE911 Truth as a 'controlled opposition' may actually have some merit to it.
As in : identify the people who can do the most damage and then get them to waste their time and feel 'shut down' and 'excluded' as a means of control.
I don't mean to toot my own horn here but my writing is actually pretty good because I spend a lot of time researching and thinking about these things before I write. I spend half my time in a garden / orchard (well, more like a mini-farm--it's 1.5ac) listening to audioripped youtubes of conspiracy theorists from the most absurd and nonbelievable (icke, jones, mckenna) to the most academic (michael parenti, mae brussell, j.t. gatto, dan sheehan, yep even chomsky but he's in the doghouse)...I basically listen to it all: the truth is somewhere in there. I let their ideas ruminate as I labor, then at night I like to write these long essays.
One thing I really have a problem with is the idea of AE911Truth's that 'we are on the cusp of having enough people to cause a big awakening' and then when I try to contribute my time, people squander it, nothing comes of it, I get no legitimate assistance or direction, and they act like that is OK somehow. It's like an automatic drip marketing system with no actual people behind it.
The thing that spurred me to write this for /r/conspiracy is that I reached out to a lady, lets call her Samantha mid January. She just now replied to my email at 2:41AM today, mid June, 5 months later. Not even a 'sorry your email was buried' or 'went to spam folder'. Just a "thanks for the links, here's a video. hope you're doing well'.
It's...um. Super weak.
AE911 either has a completely inadequate volunteer strategy and inability to communicate properly or they are controlled opposition who are just wasting people's times. I've never met anyone outside of email and one phone call.
I promised to tell you the truth and this is my true testimony as a volunteer with AE911.
--911bodysnatchers322
32 comments
9 noelabelle 2016-06-22
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's interesting because I see them as the largest most outspoken org I have seen in regards to 9/11. Gives some more food for thought, you know? I would be interested in hearing other volunteers experiences if anyone here has them.
7 911bodysnatchers322 2016-06-22
I would like that also.
7 towerseven 2016-06-22
They might be slow to respond and disorganized, but it's better than nothing.
AE911truth woke me up and a few other people in regards to 9/11. They produce lots of good quality videos and actually spend money on ad space. Can't say that for many other orgs.
2 Orangutan 2016-06-22
Architects and Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC Building 7 - w/ Ed Asner
3 rockytimber 2016-06-22
Those guys have figured out that most of the conversations are a dead end waste of time.
They have a slow but steady strategy that depends on not diluting their message with bullshit.
Their mission is to deal with engineering and architectural specialists.
What do you have to contribute to engineering and architectural research?
3 911bodysnatchers322 2016-06-22
Enumerating the ways that they try to subvert the science and validity of that research with propaganda. Either attacking the engineer's academic background with like 'an unexplained leave of absence' or that they majored in 'womens studies' as undergrad...things like this. If they can't attack the science, they can attack the scientist. And they do it by finding one minor defect in their past and then amplifying it into a narrative that casts doubt on the message. I call this 'doubtmaking', I believe others here in /r/conspiracy refer to it as 'identifying fracture points'.
That's really what I was getting at; producing the analysis of the myriad ways in which the media has produced 'fake engineering experts' and other 'experts' to debunk AE911 scientists. My findings may surprise you. Go to the wikipedia list of 'propaganda techniques'. The establishment has used EVERY SINGLE APPROACH to debunk ae911 truth.
This is how I know that the government is wrong, that they lie, and they are lying all the time to everyone. They are even running these campaigns online (here on reddit), and abroad on other social media sites outside of the US.
2 rockytimber 2016-06-22
Thanks.
Yeah, its hard to get used to the lies.
On the other hand, where did we even get the idea that there has ever been a time when truth was all that valued? We need to get some cognitive therapy for our cognitive dissonance. And in so doing, lets leave the fringe wakko types out, at least for a bit. Man, just when we are getting free of the mainstream crap, blow hard authoritarians in the alternative media are waiting to jump and suck us into another trap.
-1 giantfrogfish 2016-06-22
Lol this users logic:
Only engineers can take offense For the crimes of 9/11
Only genetic engineers can be concerned about gmos
Only police can be concerned about police brutality
Only teachers can be angry about our failed school system
Only pharmacists can comment on big pharma
Only pediatrician can comment on vaccines
Only parents can be concerned about elite pedos
What you think America is an oligarchy? Better not say shit unless you have a masters in political science .
Think your history has been rewritten countless times by dirty old monks? You're not even a historian! wtf do you know?!
Fucking give me a break.
5 rockytimber 2016-06-22
The guy was disappointed that he did not find a community at A&E for 9/11 truth that he bonded with. Its a community for professionals with some kind of science background but especially engineers and architects. That is the stated purpose of the organization.
Your comment would be appropriate to a broader group. In a broader group, I would say that even then, bringing up fringe stuff about Catholics would probably not result in improving a volunteers credibility.
-1 giantfrogfish 2016-06-22
I thought the purpose was truth...
what if it is the truth?
3 rockytimber 2016-06-22
The WTC complex and the Pentagon experienced catastrophic structural issues on 9/11 that the structural engineering and architectural communities realize the government version is wrong in its reports. That is the subject.
Truth in general about some political or religious matter is not what these people come together for.
The purpose is to get enough credible professional people on board that a real structural investigation can be publicly conducted, not in secret. When it moves to the legal stage, the truth revealed will include a lot more than just structural matters. But until then, each organization should be honest to its focus.
People who just want to argue about hypothetical truth .....
That isn't going to be too practical in getting results, probably. In fact, it usually doesn't take to long to find out who is sufficiently disciplined to be able to cut through bullshit and show competence in their undertakings. Stand the test of time.
5 jimmyb207 2016-06-22
rockytimber wasn't talking about the feelz. He was talking about having a degree in Engineering and architecture so that said person can communicate with the other architects and engineers on their level of knowledge. So that said person can relay information on an engineering level so that everyone is on the same page and not going, "What the fuck is he talking about?" and looking stupid.
You just can't show up to an organization like AE911Truth without a solid engineering background and expect to be treated like a special snowflake.
Saying AE911Truth is controlled op is about the most ignorant thing I've heard on this sub in quite a while. They blew NIST's bullshit out of the water. They've made huge gains for the Truth movement regarding Controlled Demolition of all three towers.
1 giantfrogfish 2016-06-22
neither am i
people shouldn't speak up because they should feel afraid of looking stupid?
i'm sorry op wanted to donate his time to a cause he believed in what part of donating ones own time makes you think special snowflake?
NIST blew NIST out of the water it doesn't take any special degrees to know when you are being lied to...
so the perps will be arrested any day now?
3 DrDougExeter 2016-06-22
I love your writing. You're a great writer.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2016-06-22
AE911 truth is controlled op, and I take your account sincerely. That group is damn near a cult, and if you mention anything outside what their beliefs are, hell will rain down on you. Lets see how this comment does, with me saying this here, because I know you fucks are here ;). You're either with us or against us. Fuckers.
5 911bodysnatchers322 2016-06-22
Well I hate to have to agree with you, Putin. I should have listened to you before. Were you a volunteer or just coming to that conclusion by ae911 commenters on /r/911truth and here?
4 Putin_loves_cats 2016-06-22
We can agree on certain things, and not on others, mate ;). It's healthy and I welcome it. As for AE911 Truth, nah, just an outside observer and critical thinker (I entertain all thoughts, and have a good gauge of people). Been around this place for some time, and experienced the barrage of condemnation of "free thinking". Cheers, mate!
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5 Putin_loves_cats 2016-06-22
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2 911bodysnatchers322 2016-06-22
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2 ExtHD 2016-06-22
Cool story bro... but not very believable. There's always somebody here trying to discredit that group. I don't think this is even your first account trying to. I have to hand it to you though... this one is original and fairly subtle so it'll fool a lot of people.
0 kokaneeranger 2016-06-22
What has been your first hand experience as a volunteer?
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-06-22
Tooting your own horn? lol, you can say that again...
1 jimmyb207 2016-06-22
What is this? Does op have a history of sock puppetry?
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-06-22
res ipsa loquitur
1 ifltrdby 2016-06-22
Their loss, good sir. Our gain. When they got more than 500 architects and or engineers, they quit being human. I watched. And it is very disappointing. Much like the oathkeepers, they too got co-opted. Any opposition that starts out 100% legit is clearly a target for tptb. So staying decentralized seems to be a winning strategy. People not groups. Btw, I have peeps coming back to me, thanking me for sending them the locc. Of they are open, I text it to them immediately, and encourage them to call me if they have questions. Sofar I corrupted no less than twenty innocent minds..... Oh. Wait. I am getting thank you's. And by rights they are yours. Kinda nice when someone tells you they are sending it around too. Thanks for making this easy.
4 911bodysnatchers322 2016-06-22
I have no doubt that those now 2500 engineers and scientists are legitimately 'awake now' (and over 75k non-expert others). But the organization itself has become little more than a means to track them and absorb---not unlike an 'anger tampon'--the ire of some really smart, compassionate and earnest truth-seekers.
2 ifltrdby 2016-06-22
I am sure the a&e are awake as well, but the org fell asleep.
1 PythonEnergy 2016-06-22
IMHO, 9/11 is fairly dead. We know it was a con. We do not know all of the details. Some hard-working individuals may eventually produce new evidence like they did with JFK and eventually we may come closer to the truth in 50 years or so. Or maybe the cover-up will be better this time?
I was very interested in it, but I have come to see that the sheeple are more interested in American Idle and Bud Lite than anything else. Literally nothing will wake them up. In a way, I can't blame them. They live in a small restricted world. We all do.
Your story is a nice one. Are you an Architech or engineer? This may have some bearing on their reaction to you?
1 RantingMosquito 2016-06-22
Hey friend. I too enjoy reading text of large developed theory regarding the underworld of shadow government. I suggest we start our own club/group/what have you. Let's call it Dissent Or Die.
1 YourMomsaHoax 2016-06-22
EEh, 9/11 is old hat anyway. 9/11 is the most studied structural engineering failure in the world today. Not to mention the possibly 10's of thousands of independent investigations into other areas of the event. Isn't there a whole sub Reddit just for investigating 9/11? This should go there. We all know the American people were conned. But nobody can agree who is to blame or how they orchestrated it. Some of us don't even believe there were any actual planes in 9/11! Others think it was a nuclear event. I guess my point is that even though it was possibly one of the largest and most studied conspiracy theories ever, it has its own sub and doesn't belong here imho. That's why I downvote all 9/11 posts here. Especially if it's some moronic no planes or "small nuclear device" thread. I want to say threads like that are obvious misinformation, but after reading some of the comments in those threads I think some idiots actually believe this bullshit. Crazy!!!
Anyway, I enjoyed reading your story, have an upvote.
0 giantfrogfish 2016-06-22
Thanks for this, this confirms all my suspicions.
0 kokaneeranger 2016-06-22
What has been your first hand experience as a volunteer?