Saturn worship is 'chaos' etc. It's what we would see as 'bad'.

I have not done much research on this at all. But, the black square involves Saturn.

Why the Judges and Priests wears black, is because of Saturn. Why they graduate with a black square on their head in the US, is because of Saturn.

And much more related to Saturn, which goes backs thousands of years. And yes, these secret societies really do exist.

I'm nowhere near to have any knowledge on this however. But it's fascinating stuff, truly.

Treating Saturn as something 'bad' or to avoid may be a mistake, the solar system is holistic in nature. They may be creating this fear over Sarturn in order to keep people away from exploring their own Saturn aspect.

It doesn't make sense to regard all the other planets as benevolent, but Saturn as not. The whole system works together. Saturn as Chronos is related to Time, so no wonder they want to keep people away from it.

What is the connection between Saturn and the Cube though? The Mecca thing isn't enough, is there a geometric proof?

The Christian Cross is an unfolded Cube, so it may represent Christ's victory over Time, (The Solar victory over Saturn). http://i.imgur.com/9v6gz6O.jpg

the cube represents a prison in every direction; passio goes over an explanation of this at length in the link.

the cross(crucifix) is another victory of saturn; people are literally worshiping an idol... the image of a man nailed to the cube (the prison), his mind wreathed in barbs.

the "black lodge" is a name for the group of elite-level saturn worshipers that seem to be "the powers that be". They allegedly sacrifice children and engage in rampant pedophilia and other possibly even darker shit...

There are those who have said that "magic" is the art of changing consciousness in accordance with Will, and these people practice this art to serve themselves.

That is, if you believe in this kind of thing...

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal

Hubal (Arabic: هبل‎‎) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably at the Kaaba in Mecca. His idol was a human figure, believed to control acts of divination, which was in the form of tossing arrows before the statue. The direction in which the arrows pointed answered questions asked of the idol.

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Access to the idol was controlled by the Quraysh tribe. The god's devotees fought against followers of the Islamic prophet Muhammad during the Battle of Badr in 624 CE. After Muhammad entered Mecca in 630 CE, he removed the statue of Hubal from the Kaaba along with the idols of all the other pagan gods.

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Hubal most prominently appeared at Mecca, where an image of him was worshipped at the Kaaba. According to Karen Armstrong, the sanctuary was dedicated to Hubal, who was worshipped as the greatest of the 360 idols the Kaaba contained, which probably represented the days of the year.[1] Hisham Ibn Al-Kalbi's Book of Idols describes the image as shaped like a human, with the right hand broken off and replaced with a golden hand.

Jamie Lannister?!!!

Interesting....

Hubal makes me think of tubal cain.

the cube represents a prison in every direction

Oh that is an interesting idea - another connection between Saturnalia and the demiurge. The cube being symbolic of the physical reality - the prison created by the demiurge.

All in how you are choosing to interpret this particular data set, imo...

But yeah, that's my current hypothesis.

I still don't see the geometric connection between Saturn and the Cube though. It's a bit flaky.

There are many things that are true in this life. And one of those true things is that you dont have to believe something in order for it to be real.

I agree. The last line was included as an "easy out" for those that who rather not accept such things.

Why the Judges and Priests wears black, is because of Saturn. Why they graduate with a black square on their head in the US, is because of Saturn.

Why would they do this if it represents chaos?

I dunno, someone said that:

Islam is Lunar
Saturn is Jewish
Solar is Christian.

..It's probably not that simple though.

Institutionalized religion just serves the demiurge.

More on this, if you have anything, please.

Save you some time: http://saturndeathcult.com

In short: Saturn was our original sun (a brown dwarf) once upon a time. We were captured by our current star and cosmic upheaval commenced. The ancients were witnesses of the events and mythology is nothing other than the history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBuBiGE5o0

The worship of Saturn gradually began to change to the worship of Sol.

Not only was the Earth's crust fractured, but also man's psyche. Ego arose as a reaction to keep man somewhat functional. The unconscious is your real consciousness, but your not fully aware of it -- it's very powerful. The Ego is nothing but a socially constructed cast to help protect the unconscious as it heals and mends itself (although, it is being toxically misused and is very misunderstood today). Therefore, Humanity is in a state of trauma. Think MK-Ultra on a mass scale that stretches through our past up until now; that is what religion, politics, economics, etc., is -- a giant occult mind fuck. We are vulnerable, loss and disconnected to our true Selves, our connection with nature, etc. The Elites have set themselves up as our rulers, using occult and historical knowledge that they've sequestered from our "golden age" under Saturn (all modern criminal syndicates originate with Akhenaten in Egypt, down to the European Royalty and the Vatican [the cross and the crown which are together are a continuation of Akhenaten's Atonism-Sun worship], then down to the secret societies, and the rest of it). Good and moral people can sit in their same positions and things would be much better, but these demons want to exasperate and continue picking at the trauma to keep us in a state of deep anxiety, fear -- trauma -- so they can continue to manipulate and rule. History keeps repeating itself for a reason -- that's how trauma works. The fall of Babylon, the fall of Rome, and maybe the fall of America is an example of it. They produce economic collapses because it mimics the existential horror that the human species experienced when the planet was in upheaval and falling apart all around them (all of this is still encoded in our genetic memory or unconscious) and triggers the trauma. It's like a button. They just keep pushing it over and over again -- not really ever changing their game -- and it keeps working for them. Although, recently people have been 'waking up' more and more and people are recognizing their games. The human psyche is healing. All learning we do now is merely remembering who we once were: Greatness.

I can keep going on, but that's the gist of it. Tons of info on YouTube and the internet in general. Pieces are still being put together, but that is the basic story as I understand it.

http://imgur.com/jbyyKdv

http://imgur.com/oxXIsjI

http://imgur.com/dQvAOAT

http://imgur.com/go60nPd

Saturn is the sixth planet, it has a six sided hexagram on its pole, the jews worship on the sixth day, which is named after Saturn(Saturday is the sixth day according to the International Organization for Standardization, and it was named after the sixth planet for a reason, because it is the sixth day. Sunday, which is named after the Sun obviously is the seventh day, 7 being the number of the Lord, and the Sun being the object which gives life to our planet.) The jew's number is 6, the same number of the beast. They are who the following passage from the Book of Revelation is obviously talking about.

Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

The original jews fell from God's grace after rejecting their true messiah, this was confirmed by the destruction of the second temple. The true chosen and those that are of Abraham's seed are those who follow Christ.

http://imgur.com/jxUIQgJ

Saturn is the sixth planet, it has a six sided hexagram on its pole, the jews worship on the sixth day, which is named after Saturn(Saturday is the sixth day according to the International Organization for Standardization, and it was named after the sixth planet for a reason, because it is the sixth day.

I hope people don't take this seriously. Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun, but nobody knew that when the days of the week were named. The days were named after the Sun, the Moon, and the five planets known to the ancients. Earth was not considered a planet back then.

The Jewish Sabbath, which runs from what we call Friday night to Saturday night, is the seventh day in their week.

http://imgur.com/BNoswMQ

The people that say it is the same thing posit that Saturn was our sun in ancient times.

More here.

I believe there will be an event that ignites either saturn or Jupiter turning it into a mini star. And a religious cult will try to say that's the second coming.

In regards of what you worship, follow your heart

What I have always heard is that Jupiter and/or Saturn are the remnants of stars that failed to supernova properly.

Yeah, there is a book by William cooper called behold a pale horse where he says a religious cult will launch a nuke into the planet Jupiter igniting it into a star and they will claim the second coming.

It's a good book. But hard to beileve

Wow, that sounds like insane. Forget Project Blue Beam and faking an alien invasion, let's blow up Jupiter!

For some reason as of late, I'm feeling Blue Beam isn't dead and gone

Oh, for sure, I was just making a joke about the ridiculousness of the pretense....though I do think it would make a cool Sci-Fi plot.

I think PBB has evolved into other things at this point. Hell, I would not be in the least surprised if we were invaded by "actual aliens" and we come to find out they are just humans the US military experimented on.

"Okay let's see...family? None? No friends? We have a special unit for you..."

Me too. Its not a fake alien invasion, though. Its the idea of hyper-reality being used to manipulate public opinion.

That's (sort of) the plot of the movie 2010 (1984).

Have never heard of this...?

Here's the corporate side of it:

Occult Symbols in Corporate Logos

People who run/create companies appear to be following a hidden "occult" religion of some kind. It's very clear that there is a reason behind all of the Saturn logos and other occult symbolism, but the actual reason for it I am not aware of.

Before you judge this as some whackjob conspiracy theory, see the evidence for yourself. It's very obvious. Once you see it you cannot unsee it. It will change the way you see the world.

Google image search "saturn corporate logos." There are so many corporations that use Saturn as their logo. Nike, Saturn (cars), Nissan, directv, internet explorer, etc.

If the company doesn't use Saturn as the basis for their logo, they might go with a black cube, they might use a freemasonic square and compass..."Pyramid corporate logo," "eye corporate logo," etc. Get creative with the image searches. It's all based on occult symbolism. The craziest ones are Time Warner Cable and other eyeball logos on media companies.

True, and it's even weirder than that. I found a pentacle on my subaru when I went to the shop. It is engraved on the part of the muffler in all subarus of that series. Apparently there is occultic meaning (related to zoroastrianism iirc) in the subaru name. Needless to say it freaked me and my mechanic friend totally out.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/Ivan_350500/IMG_0482-1.jpg

here's more on occult logos from freeman fly

• part 1
• part 2
• Secrets in Plain Sight 1-23

Catholics = Jesuits worship the Sun. Zionists =Talmudic heretics worship Saturn.

Jesus.

Catholics burnt and tortured cathars to death. Cathars were true to Jesus and the path of enlightenment.

Roman Catholicism was used as a dominant method to control regions and generate revenue. These are liken to the Spanish conquests into Latin America. I understand the Cathers thought satan controlled earth and that it was all an evil place. I fell that the murders and such were to manifest a Roman Empire of Catholic control rather then a real desire to save souls. Money and power drove the expansion of the church while good will was worn as a mask

Interesting, Bogumils believed in a world within the body and a world outside the body, much like the Cathars believed. They both had a dualistic approach to their belief system. Cathars were said to be an offshoot of Bogumils but were almost identical in their belief system. But when we talk about moderate dualism: there is one good God and a fallen angel (Lucifer). Did the CATHARS and the Bogumils see Lucifer as the bad god of the earth?

They did not use the Christian cross nor build churches because they revered their gifted form and considered their body to be the temple. This gave rise to many forms of practice to cleanse oneself through purging, fasting, celebrating and dancing.

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Interesting that they revered their gifted form and had zero statues. Seems as if this is what Jesus supposedly preached. It wasn't merely about worshiping as it was having a relationship with God.

So... Saturn worship was (apparently- do your own research but this is some of what I uncovered) Satanic in nature. The Sun/Sol represented God and Saturn was -to our knowledge- the farthest planet from the Sol. So it represented the dark version of the sun.

It also appeared black hence it's nickname black sun. As has been mentioned it is related to the black cube. If you represent the 3d cube on a 2d plane it appears as a hexagon. Add a triangle to each side and you get a hexagram a.k.a. the star of David... which is why someone said that Jews worshiped Saturn. They also said that Muslims worshiped the moon, but realistically Muslims also worship the black cube which represents Saturn.

Notice that the muslims form rings around the kaaba... like the rings of Saturn. Saturn is also nicknamed the "Lord of the rings" which is, of course.... where we get Sauron a.k.a. Saturn a.k.a. Satan from. Also where we got wedding rings from.

Back to the hexagram.... inside it is the hexagon with SIX sides... on each side is a triangle to make the star so there are SIX traingles. At the tip of each triangle there are SIX points. The degrees of each angle of a hexagon= 66.

Finally... to tie the hexagon, the black (hole) sun, the lord of the rings (eye of sauron) all together... Check out the eye of Saturn...

The amount of information on this is huge, the question is how much of it is real and how much is a simple lie.

Yes, odds are secret societies exist but its know so little about them and just how many there actually are that virtually they don't even exist... some are new, others are old, some are benevolent, others are malevolent (its possible some are even totally neutral or see things differently then most) this could go back for even 10,000 years... truth is stranger then fiction.

One could dedicate his entire life uncovering about this yet not even scratching the surface or even going the wrong path if not looking at the right place or asking the right question...

Saturn is not inherently bad. Saturn is the last planet you can see with your eyes. Thought to be the edge of the universe so to speak. Saturn is associated with time, also he is called Chronos. Time=death. So people think of Saturn in relationship to death, the end of the limits, the barrier, restriction. People don't like death or limits, so it's thought of as negative when it just is.

I wouldn't consider Saturn's opposite to be the Sun, that's generally more associated to Jupiter. Good fortune, expansion. Saturn is the inhale, Jupiter the exhale. Both necessary.

Making you fear Saturn is a trick.

If you don't integrate all the planets holistically then you will never go 'over the rainbow', 'beyond the infinite' etc. You can't just accept all the other planets as harmless, yet reject Saturn. It doesn't work like that.

There seems to be an agenda to keep people in fear of Saturn, probably because it connects to Time and Death, and they don't want people exploring that side of themselves, so they want to scare them away from integrating it holistically.

It's too easy to just regard all the other planets as benign albeit eccentric, yet we should just reject saturn, it seems like they want people to reject it because they don't want people to gain the understanding of Death and Time for themselves.

That's why there are so many Jupiter-esque movies nowadays. (i.e 'Epic Adventure' with high color saturation) i.e Jurassic World.
Keeping people at the level of Jupiter.

The Wizard of Oz as Saturn being 'The Green Man' in Mythology. i.e "Nothing to fear"
http://journalofantiques.com/2006/features/mystical-magical-mistletoe-the-link-between-santa-claus-the-green-man/

While the long coat worn by Father Christmas is similar to that of St. Nicholas, the origins of this particular Christmas character go back much further. The celebration of the Green Man in British and European history was a worship of a personification of nature.

The Green Man was decorated with ivy and berry holly, the traditional foliage even now associated with Christmas. He was supposed to be a very jovial man, whose large beard was constructed from holly and ivy!

Saturnalia: The Real Roots of Christmas

Many Christians today believe that Christmas is a Christian holiday. The fact is that people have been celebrating Christmas, long before the birth of Christ. The festivity was known then, as Saturnalia.

The movie 2001 is really about Saturn in the original book, so it's interesting with the stargate sequence and going beyond. "Over the rainbow" 7 colors, stargate sequence. The 7 colors and Penrose's 17 tile patterns have something to do with the 'wallpaper' of our experience.

For sure. Thumbs up for all you said. I've encounter people who were insistent they could forever expand like Jupiter and were very resistant to the retraction that is Saturn. Saturn has always been beneficial in the end for me. The disciplinarian father.. Helps you get your shit straight and cut out the unnecessary.

The trickiest planet for me is Mercury, but he is a trickster God!

Sun worship ties to Ra who was supposed to be the creator of all life in ancient Egypt. He was supposed to be the father creator and the sun god.

The Egyptian God of Earth was the Goddess Isis. She was mother nature.

If you combine Ra and Isis you get the Creator of life/Earth God El- the god of the bible.

If you combine Is(is), Ra, and El you get Israel

Sun worship, as far as Egypt goes, ties to both Ra and Horus, though. In earlier Egyptian history they were separate, but later on Horus became more or less synonymous with Ra; whether this was because they were, in fact, the same, or because one usurped the title/identity of the other, I am not sure, although I'm pretty sure it's the latter.

Of those two, only Ra was considered the "father of all gods" like you said. Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis (Goddess of fertility, although I guess you could call her 'mother nature')and was supposed to be the reincarnation of Osiris which gave the whole story disturbing incestuous undertones. Coincidentally, the story of Horus/Osiris is more or less a copy of from the story of Nimrod aka Baal (guy who built the Tower of Babel and was killed by Noah's son, Shem, iirc) and Semiramis, who is also represented by the sun.

What I find interesting about Sun worship in modern times is the prevalence of sun symbolism in various blockbuster films. Here are a few examples:

The Hobbit

At about a minute into the clip the Sun is shown shining behind Gandalf's head, much as you see in Christian art, as he talks about simple acts of kindness and love to keep darkness at bay.

Pacific Rim

Notice when Pentecost (an interesting name with religious significance in of itself) exits the Jaeger, the extreme sun symbolism, in almost the exact same manner) An interesting tidbit about this movie: Try and count how many times you see "eagle" or "bird" imagery (on their suits, all over the walls in the military bases and TV broadcasts). Now, it's not uncommon for eagles to be used to symbolize "murica!", but they are also the symbol of Horus. Draw whatever conclusions you will, I merely found it interesting.

Jurassic World

The first time you seen the main protagonist, or "Hero", in this film, he is enshrouded in Sunlight in a very similar manner to the other two scenes and his line is "okay, eyes on me". Also interesting to note that his role is as the raptors "Alpha" and that's how he is often referred to.

Anyway, just some food for thought. There are lots of examples of this sort of thing in other movies, it's not just limited to these three. It's actually quite glaring and obvious if you know what to look for.

You mentioned Israel, which reminded me of an interesting factoid: Back in the 90s or early 2000s the Israeli government minted coins with the Tower of Babel on them, which is confusing to say the least because I'm pretty sure in the Old Testament that Nimrod was considered to have built the Tower as an act of rebellion against God.

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I agree. The last line was included as an "easy out" for those that who rather not accept such things.