"they arent real muslims"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

They arent Muslim fullstop.

Maybe if you keep repeating that over and over someone will believe you

There are fanatics and crazies in every religion, cult, political system (peaceful or not). I do not think ISIS is run by true Muslim believers just like I do not think the Catholic church is run by people of God and Israel is run by those of the true Jewish faith etc... They have all been hijacked and so have all the political systems.... a means to an end so to speak, The question remains...what is the end goal?

Well Islam isn't a religion of peace so that may be one reason for these attacks. The sooner people acknowledge this, the sooner these attacks stop

You can obviously believe what you want to believe, but in this instance you are missing the point of the post... Medina specifically IS a city of peace and worship. Attacking it makes no sense.

Maybe they want to make a statement that attacks can happen anywhere and anytime. That's how terrorism works. They don't attack war zones but places where people feel safe

Who is "they"? This is my point... Yes people feel safe in Media, I was there only a week ago! But me and the other million people were ALL Muslims praying in the Holy Mosque!

My guess they would be muslim extremists

even the dumbest Muslim wouldn't blow himself up in Medina... But even if he were duped into doing it, the real question is to ask... Who would ask this of him? What is to be gained politically? Those calling the shots would know this would alienate just about every normal practising Muslim on the planet!

Well that's how brainwashing works. ISIS kidnaps children and brainwashes them to accept that these attacks are ok in the name of their god

I don't disagree but whoever or whatever ISIS are, the motivation for attacking their own people (supposedly) in their holiest site is what I am questioning. I have no doubt people can be made to do ridiculous things, but it's those pulling the strings and their motivations that need questioning in this instance. What is the end goal here? The west aren't reporting it in the way they report other attacks, the Muslims are outraged... So what was to gain? I'm telling you, this one is different. A mistake maybe? A rogue agent(s)? complacency? If you wanted to gain support and sympathy from a people you would not blow up their holy city! If you wanted the world to believe Muslims really were supporting and sponsoring ISIS you wouldn't either. It seems like a no win situation regardless of who you believe ISIS to be. Not to mention this is all going on during the holy month of Ramadan... A peaceful time. Someone is using the crusades to fuel hatred between the Muslims and the West. I am simply saying that they have either overplayed their hand or something has gone wrong. Watch this space.

Maybe isis is trying to implicate what they belive to be true islam. Almost like a reformation and implicate sharia law

Citation needed.

Citation of what?

ISIS kidnaps children and brainwashes them to accept that these attacks are ok in the name of their god

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3227570/ISIS-kidnaps-127-children-Mosul-intending-turn-blood-thirsty-killers.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3107010/500-children-kidnapped-ISIS-brainwashed-suicide-bombers-child-soldiers-Iraqi-official-reveals.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-kidnaps-more-130-syrian-schoolchildren-international-leaders-yet-respond-1618026

Just to list a few. There is also a video of where kids were kidnapped but later relased. One of the kids released talked about how he thinks what isis is doing is right

If China showed up in California tomorrow and started bombing schools and malls and workplaces, I'm sure some kids would agree that the militia should fight back. Doesn't mean they were brainwashed.

Also, everyone outside of America knows ISIS is a function of the US State Department. So it's hard to watch someone who's catapulting the propaganda about ISIS being some monolithic 'Islamofascist' organization talking about how others are brainwashed.

This goes beyond just somone invading your backyard and you taking back your land. Blowing up car bombs and killing civilians is not fighting an enemy who invaded your land. Shooting and killing 50 plus people in a gay bar is not fighting those who invaded your land. Those who commit these violent acts are not fighting for their land but for their religion regardless of who created them

Plenty of Muslims have explained endlessly that No, ISIS does not represent their religion any more than Timothy McVeigh or Anders Behring Breivik represents Christianity. The fact that Christians struggle daily to make that connection proves that it's not just Islam that creates fundamentalist terrorist behaviors.

So until you can prove ISIS is actively brainwashing anyone, I will maintain that the culprit here is religion mixed with the presence of a foreign, occupying force. And that occupying force was well aware of how it's presence would radicalize the population before it invaded. So all of this is intentional and paid for by the American taxpayers. Which is why your American government will NEVER defeat ISIS. It's not supposed to.

All of this is obvious to persons who haven't been brainwashed by Christofascist Media.

even the dumbest Muslim wouldn't blow himself up in Medina...

that statement is demonstrably false.

Agreed... So who is orchestrating this? The suicide bombers were clearly duped as even children who grow u in an Islamic family know the penalty for violence in Medina.

You coward. Say what you really mean so you can be shunned like the ignorant monster you are.

What is there to be said? I don't see any other religion blowing themselves up in the name of their god. I don't see other religions kill thousands of innocent people just because they have different ideology beliefs. Islam is not a religion of peace and has no place in the modern world. Either they get a reformation or fuck off

All you have to ask people is it they know the penalty of apostasy (walking away from the Muslim faith).

Spoiler alert: The penalty for apostasy is death.

Thank you. I was born into a jahovah witness house and I left the faith in my early teens and the church accepted my choice and moved on. I wasn't threatened with death. Can't say the same would happen if I was born into a Muslim household in the middle east

I don't see other religions kill thousands of innocent people just because they have different ideology beliefs.

Then you're definitely not looking hard enough. It's okay, I get it. Propaganda is easy and plentiful, the lazy always choose that over the more difficult truth - that religion itself is the cause of war, and every religion is complicit.

Who's going to "reform" 1.6 billion Muslims? I suppose you'd have the American taxpayer foot the bill for that nonsense as well, eh?

Care to tell me any other religion that is as violent as islam in the modern world?

in the modern world

Care to tell me why you needed to make that caveat? Don't bother, we both know why.

Religions aren't violent, you nonce. People who believe in religions are violent.

And to answer your question, here you go.

If they aren't violent then tell me why whenever my people here in germany protest how islam is a violent and hateful religion, they are attacked and threatened with death. How when Muslims come up to these peaceful protesters and say that if the police weren't around they would stab them on sight. Or tell me how I no longer feel safe in my own country anymore because we are being yelled at how islam will take over germany and that our people will die in the name of Islam along with our children being orphans. That Allah will take them in as family. Tell me how whenever somone gets attacked here by a Muslim, the police do fuck all to help. They say they can write a report but that it will be filed as an isolated incident along with the hundreds of others. No but you don't here that shit do you back in the states do you? Yu want to talk about conspiracies in this sub, let's talk about how germany censors what really happens here. Let's talk about how we are racist for speaking the truth about what happens

So you honestly believe all Muslims are violent extremists.

Nice strawman argument. No, I do not believe all of them are extremists. That is intellectually stupid to even think so. However, around 25% if Muslims support extremist views such as terrorist attacks and believe they would implicate sharia law as described in the Quran. Now, 25% may seem like a small percent but when you realise that 25% of over a billion followers, well that equates to around 300 million people who support this barbaric ideology. That's about the size of the United States who are radical. Of course not all of those 300 million are ready to strap a bomb ono their chest and kill in the name of Islam, however, all of those 300 million are radical and do support such violent acts

So If I said 25% of Christians support nuking the Middle East indiscriminately, you'd ask me for a citation, right? That's the game you're playing here, yes?

Again, another strawman argument. 10 Islamic countries stone rape victims to death. They also kill gays. They believe in honor killings. Most Muslims support this ideology which practices these things on a daily basis. The difference between Muslims and other religions is that the radical muslim extremists are fighting for their religion. Those who fight for the west, i.e Christian Americans, are fighting for political reasons. Maybe not with the best intentions but you don't see Christians or any other religion killing civilians to push their religion

The difference between Muslims and other religions is that the radical muslim extremists are fighting for their religion. Those who fight for the west, i.e Christian Americans, are fighting for political reasons.

So now you're asserting terrorism isn't political?

Maybe not with the best intentions but you don't see Christians or any other religion killing civilians to push their religion

Shows what you know about Zionist occupied Palestine.

What does this have t do with islam not being a religion of peace?