You might want to look into the The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter. In a series of essays Hofstadter describes how some elements of the right adopted a conspiratorial tone to manipulate populist sentiment, causing members of the general public to assume a more reactionary outlook.

"The distinguishing thing about the paranoid style is not that its exponents see conspiracies or plots here and theren history, but that they regard a 'vast' or 'gigantic' conspiracy as the motive force in historical events." Hofstadter

Hofstadter doesn't dismiss the idea of political conspiracies at all:

"One may object that there are conspiratorial acts in history, and there is nothing paranoid about taking note of them." Hofstadter

Rather, in his essays he is identifying a particular style of political rhetoric in the popular discourse. Perhaps the argument you're making is how this rhetorical style sways the public away from challenging the status quo or discussing meaningful ways to change things constructively.

Supposedly, this is what is happening in present-day Rojava, where democratic confederalism, which is based on the ideas of anarchist Murray Bookchin, are being put into practice:

"Rojava, in northern Syria, a Kurdish region straddling the southern Turkish border, is now a remarkable experiment of Bookchin inspired autonomous democratic confederalism. In the area's major urban areas-Aleppo, Kobane and Qamishli-popular assemblies and secular grassroots councils call the shots.....Put into practice, Kurdish self-government today has three central planks: the establishment of communes, the assurance of equal participation in all areas of decision-making for all faith and ethnic groups, and the strengthening of the position of women. Communes sort out everyday administration, provide electricity provision and infrastructure, advise on nutrition and liaise around ecological concerns. There are communal cooperatives, too, like bakeries and sewing workshops, like agricultural projects. Delegates from village and neighborhood communes form the basis of bigger city councils, and city councils are made up of representatives from all communes. There aren't any law courts either, but 'peace and consensus committees,' which try to resolve legal issues in novel, consensus-finding ways." Out of Shadows by Andy Merrifield

People around the world are trying to create alternatives to the status quo that favor ordinary people. Maybe it's because we don't hear much about such alternatives? Have you looked into what is going on in Iceland?

Uh, no. Knowledge is power.

Well, admittedly there are red herrings, but they're often easy to distinguish from the real info.

When I first heard about the Orlando nightclub shooting, I said this is a smokescreen. Eyewitnesses said there were multiple people, but the news said he was a lone gunman. San Bernardino eyewitnesses said there were 3 men, in military gear, moving as a unit, but the news reported a husband and wife doing the shooting. They went to the couple's apartment and let's the newscrews go through their "staged" apartment. Sandy Hook, where were all the wounded? You mean to tell me that there were NO wounded? Every shot was a kill? Not a chance. This is all brought to you by the same government that couldn't find enough evidence to charge Hillary Clinton with any wrongdoing when she lied to congress. Sorry about ranting, I just get irritated when the 1% thinks we're all fucking morons. Not all of us like the Karwhorians (I like that my autocorrect comes up with that first 😂), consume the MSM as gospel, and think that the whole world admires the U.S..

I firmly believe the more people are informed, the more chance we have of people taking action and finding solutions. Just because me you or you do not have solutions doesn't mean others won't find them.

Or have already found them: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1q7duh/orwell_on_anarchism/

Orwell named names during world war 2 on people he thought were traitors and he was probably an intelligence agent but yeah he had some good ideas.

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You'd probably like Crass:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMoQYbfj59s&list=PLMl-pNsVcaU94RWveeEJ_JPnoLSCh5qc0

And if you like Crass songs, you might like Jeffrey Lewis and his cover of crass songs!

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"Style has to do with the way in which ideas are believed and advocated rather than with the truth or falsity of their content." Richard Hofstadter - Paranoid Style in American Politics

There are people who do believe that another world is possible, though.

Have you read about Zomia? It's not exactly anarchism in the western sense, but according to anthropologist James Scott nearly a hundred million people are living some sort of stateless existence there.

Yes, and there are so many places around the world where people are trying to choose their own way of life; Christiania, Denmark, Exarchia, Greece,Marinaleda, Spain and so many others. Look what's happened in the U.S. with the movement that pushed the Sanders campaign. Regardless of what you think of Sanders, that was still millions of people who stepped forward demanding a better way.

Apart from the SE highlands I haven't looked into it. It wouldn't surprise if there were some.

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DIY bro!

Critical mass? Most of us don't want a bloody situation. Just like hammering on hilldawg being the anointed one. We, too, are being heard; more and more.

Look into seasteading. It's a very promising idea of running very small, self sustaining societies out in the ocean. I believe part of the original plan was to allow for experimental systems of governance.

I personally would immediately volunteer to become part of a small group of early settlers. Would probably have to bring some skills with you though. It's only a conceptual project atm (probably cost a fuckton of money, while lacking any obvious ROI so there doesn't seem to be much interest in funding it sadly).

Action? What action? Would you rather be lynched by hundreds of opportunistic regime zombies like those poor soldiers on the Bosphorus bridge who tried to do what's right for their countrymen OR shut.the.fuck.up and do what you have to do to keep you and yours out of harm's way?

Shit hit the fan so many times it's caked up in layers and starting to burn. Soon the whole damn roof'll be ablaze. We're long passed the point of organizing popular resistance. Those cucked hippies of Occupy Wallstreet and the BLM have brought us this far already. It's over. Keep your head down, read this sub to have a finger at the pulse of societal and geopolitical dynamics, prepare and don't do anything bloody stupid.

Have you seen how stupidly irresposible sheeple were behaving in Nice? Fucking whole flocks taking pictures with their cellphones and stampeding at the same time! 1 guy on a bike who tried to do something ... 1 damn guy and a bunch of underarmed coppers running behind the truck like it was a slapstick scene from a Zorro movie. That's what reality looks like: a whole lot of doing nothing then everything happening in a split-second, chaos, being paralyzed by fear, extreme selfishness and horrifying stupidity.

There's nothing on earth that scares me more than group dynamics, for it's always - ALWAYS - the vast hordes of barely cognizant system slaves with a sub-standard IQ forcing everyone else over a cliff like lemmings. Too fucking stupid to be alive, but just aggressive enough in all their selfishness to be purely unstoppable.

Get away from it all. There's no safety to be found in groups, much to the contrary ... All the more possibilities for doing what you'd never do or would even want to consider doing.

You're a smart guy, the heart in the right place and a set of balls to match. People will resent you for that, so beware of that and don't get carried away, because they will betray you in the end, despite all of your very best intentions. The only thing they listen to is fear and intimidation!

You're a smart guy, the heart in the right place and a set of balls to match. People will resent you for that, so beware of that and don't get carried away, because they will betray you in the end, despite all of your very best intentions. The only thing they listen to is fear and intimidation!

some of the truest shit I've read in a LONG time!

A lot of people need to hear what you have to say

We should all learn hacking and tell the robots they can have all the chips they can eat in the gated communities

Or take a fucking Valium

OP: "I'm deeply conviced we're getting manipulated into this whole circlejerk of "truth seeking", simply in order to keep us thinking and prevent us from taking action."

You have to wonder why there's so many YouTube hoax videos available for general consumption. I'm not saying they're created by "them", (whoever "they" are), but surely many of the hoax YT videos can be taken down for national security reasons, copyright infringement, etc..?

There must be millions of people that now believe things like Sandy Hook was a hoax, probably many of them discovering or being directed to by search, on/to YouTube.

People that watch MSM are called sheep, maybe people that watch hoax media are "hoax sheep"? As you say, they'll never take action, the videos leave the viewer feeling smart and above it all/craving the next event to feel smug.

Perhaps those are all designed as a double-edge to seem real enough for the sheep, but conspiratorial enough for the hoax sheep.

They're not being taken down because it's a form of entertainment. It doesn't have to be true or false, just that the idea itself of some grand conspiracy is enthralling enough to keep people busy wasting their time on the internet. They know out of the millions that subscribe to these ideas, that a miniscule number of them will do anything about it, and of that miniscule number of people, 0 of them will have the power or influence to actually completely disrupt and change the course of history. Entire supposed anti-establishment movements like Occupy Wallstreet were fucked from the start - either by the idiots participating in it themselves or subversive agents purposely spreading half-baked truths and ideas to uninformed people that had their hearts in the right place. Real change doesn't happen with words anyway, it takes power, and power comes by people willing to deal violence, and only people willing to deal violence.

So to answer your post, I would say that yes, people that watch "hoax media" are just as much sheep as the "sheeple" that they whine about.

Well there's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas...

Seriously though...

As Karl Rove said to Dubya:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

I'd say you're on to something, OP

"In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

By Ron Suskind

OCTOBER 17, 2004

Awesome post, thank you for this quote.

What conspiracy does for me is help me not to fear and to substitute fear with love. They don't want that. They want me to be afraid and attached and dependent. Every single terrorists attack or massacre is laughable to me because of conspiracy. But they don't want me to laugh. No, they want me to cry, then fear, then feel angry, then feel hate and then divorce myself from my own humanity as I entrench myself in some ideological group that is against another ideological group so we can keep fighting indefinitely. I believe their greatest tactic is divide and conquer. So I will do the opposite. I will unite. I will love. I will see your humanity and I will show you mine.

So conspiracy helps me to laugh, helps me to love, and helps me to unite. That's my action. You say we only think and take no action but my actions are clear. I live it everyday. When I see a Muslim, I feel no fear or hatred. I just see a human. They don't want that. When I see a man, I see a human. When I see a woman, I see a human. When I see a poor person, I see a human. When I see a black person, I see a human. When I see a white person, I see a human. This is against their agenda. This makes them piss themselves in anger because I reject identity politics and I laugh at them as I conquer them.

I think that you have to act like an activist lawyer. Agreed with you OP that simply seeking the truth and treating it like each fact is in a vacuum causes it to fizzle away into nothing. That's why I believe you have to make 'collections' to provide as 'mountains of evidence used all-at-once' to make the case. That's why I'm big on compilations, specifically I did a comprehensive 16pgs of links (16 pages of just links) on mass surveillance news. And a dossier on pedophilia on the government.

Because when it's time to nail these bastards we need to have ammunition. I want to print out all the stories and plunk down a big folder or box of folders and say, 'this is what we have against them. It's all mainstream sources, fully cited, from privileged insiders in their organization, expert witnesses, expert authorities, witnesses and whistleblowers willing to testify"

You don't get anywhere with violence any more. You don't get anywhere with protest anymore. They aren't listening.

The only things you can do is use the law. Because if I've learned anything, it's that litigation is how assholes communicate with each other in the united states now. And if that doesn't work, you find someone to hack them and steal everything they have, destroying their life, their relationships and their work or even plant evidence against them; or you hire ninjas to start assassinating people, especially if the judges are corrupt also. Basically you 'become the CIA' to fight them, using all their dirty tricks. Disclaimer, that's just a strategy discussion of what someone else should do in the event that suiing doesn't work. It's not a recommendation, endorsement or suggestion to commit a crime.

Physical force, aka violence, is the ONLY means to real change. People follow law BECAUSE of the threat of physical force against them if they were to break that law.

It goes much deeper than 'being fooled'.

I have a very extraordinary educational background, and my field of study was focused on mass influence and social influence. The kind of deep-mind manipulation that results in small pieces of paper being called kleenex and plastic saucers being universally known as frisbees.

Believe me people, not just the dialogues themselves but the very subjects we think about are being controlled by some of the smartest and most diabolical minds ever born.

Why do you think the ACLU constantly combats bullshit issues like school prayers and Christmas displays on courthouse lawns while over 90% of people accused of crimes are denied not just their guaranteed right to a jury trial, but even the simple decency of being able to appeal? The reason is, our public discourse is being steered like a ship of fools.

The same wealthy interests that ran Egypt and Mesopotamia and the Roman Empire rule the world today. Their methods are honed with every bright PhD graduate they can hire to do their bidding, sway the general populace, and keep them in control.

That is how the world works - and has since 1000 years before Jesus.

You sound like you enjoy listening to the sound of your voice.

It's statism, government is the problem. No matter what the news headlines will be tomorrow or the day after that, government and the belief in authority will be the root cause of all these problems, and the only way to counter this is through peaceful parenting. It's no joke when people say kids are the future.

Yes I agree with you, but I'll be damned if I have any idea how to fight against TPTB more constructively than trying to expose the truth.

if youre scared its because you think you have something to lose. it might be based on something fundamental or pure make believe.

i have decided to take action since they cannot be trusted. they will try to schmooze you as long as youre still capable to fight them.

but as soon as you crumble into helplessness they will chase to show affection and start stepping on you.

yet you should take your time. but dont mistake this as inaction. since the enemy isnt rushing either. keep moving forward, thinker, find people to discuss this matter with.

for me, im less concerned in my survival, im more concerned they will take away my ability to grow.

but the rabbit hole is deep, my friend. you kill one demon, many are ready to take its previous place. their biggest weapon is to use us against ourselves.

I think that you are correct. You need to keep pressing your ideas to those around you. Sometimes it just takes someone to hear their own feelings being expressed by another to strengthen their own thoughts. I'm not talking about violence. The best ideas are created by peaceful actions. Look at Bernie Sanders. He's been fighting for decades for equality without throwing a punch. Unfortunately, he is a minority when it comes to people in power. Men with power want one thing, more power.

OP you are probably right.

I recently heard about a field called "learned helplessness". Type that on Google, and see what the first link (wikipedia) says about it.

From the wikipedia article :

Learned helplessness theory is the view that clinical depression and related mental illnesses may result from such real or perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation

Look at how many people in North America, Europe, probably other countries, experience depression. And it is growing big everyday. The wikipedia article suggests that depression and other mental related illnesses would be the result of a set of tactics of learned helplessness applied to the population. I don't exactly know about these tactics, but I would imagine they come in various forms, such as the type of news the MSM will spread (endless news about how unemployment is rising, news about attacks, about murderers who could be your neighbor etc...), additives in food (fluoride in water maybe, i don't know), etc...

After reading about this topic, I believe it is very real. It's in states' interest to do this.

This whole thing is a red herring. That son of a bush and his gang were responsible. This ordeal is just another thing to shy us away from the real criminals.

It's about the individual, not about the collective.

How bad do you want absolute freedom? If your need to be free outweighs your desire to risk death or jail, therein lies your answer.

Since, as someone said, "It's about the individual, not about the collective", perhaps then our own individual attitudes matter more than is usually considered. I mean, for example a person could stay angry, resentful and bitter all day from something early one morning and have quite a crappy day over it, holding on to it, never letting it go--- or that person could get over it and intend to enjoy what remains of the rest of the day. Or analyse it, study it, learn from it, make amends, or forget it altogether as ever happening in the first place. Personal attitude matters. The "approach shot", so to speak, needs to be setup good, or else we are just swinging wildly and randomly, hoping for the best and hoping for luck.

A small company I worked for in the past had a quote taped in various places in the little building that said "Attitude can make or break a company, church, family, ..." etc (or something close to that, a longer message that I don't remember in its entirety) --- the individual's approach and attitude about an issue would seem to be quite relevant. I have read so many responses in this forum that end up saying things like:

"We are powerless to change anything", or "That's the way it is", or "It's too late to change things", "The game is rigged" and on and on. Paraphrasing of course, but the idea it that the "conditioning" has been going on for too long and is so ingrained into us folks, that all we can feel now is powerlessness or fear. Nonsense! We are not at the mercy of our feelings and emotions, no matter if they are directed by us or directed by some outside nefarious agency. We have conscious minds for a reason. Some use them better than others, certainly. Some are specialists, experts in a field. Some approach genuis, some not so much. Some people, perhaps too many people, just "go with the flow", but when that "flow" is considered to be directed by others who do not have the best interests in mind for the "collective", that "flow" should be refused. It can be, when you know yourself and your moods and thoughts and such. Someone said that someone said that this fellow said, "Know thyself". Seems good advice, regardless.

If you think that you are at the mercy of the whims and decisions of others or any outside action no matter what, or if you think that you are lost and cast adrift through the highly-questionable motives of others, then you are "playing the game" by someone else's rules, and not your own. Whoever someone else or "they" may be.

I once wandered into the issues about the movie "Patch Adams" for example. How accurate was it, what's there for me to know, etc. (I had to question it since it came on television! )---With all that real fake money made from it, very little was given to help the clowning doctor in his cause. Actually, the ending message of the movie made it seem like he was well on his way in getting that clinic built to help folks. You can check into it yourself if you want of course, but the point is, the clowning doctor's ideas about creating social change aren't too bad. Specifically:

"Start with your community--- work where you can make a direct difference". Or something like that. It may be too hard to change the entire world, or to even try, so start where you can. If that's your thing, that is. Change or start to change "your" world, not "the" world. Whether "your" world is a cubicle or garages, museums or the factory, with family or on the road, in school or in church. You know where the lack is, you see the holes, you know you can do some small thing that can make the world better, better in your point of view. So start small. Look for the snowball effect from that small act. Hope for it. Expect it. Demand it. Or do it over again and again until it starts. It's better than feeling powerless or helpless, overwhelmed by the world situation. It is an attitude. Again, if that's your thing, to "change the world" or to fix it.

It is true that some folks have really horrible and unspeakable things happen to them. Some suffer and suffer forever because of some wretched and destructive thing that happens. But some few are able to somehow move forward and live through it and with it. Some however have absolutely nothing of a dire nature happen to them at all. Some live lives of desperation and despair. Some are joyful and are not lost in any rabbit-hole of noticeable size. Ignorance is bliss, knowledge a burden. This may or may not be true, but it doesn't justify being angry or resentful or hating those who have great lives or who are just clueless to the world situation, or demand and force them to awake and learn the world-situation and how bad it really is. They too have a right to live their lives how they can or how they choose (if that's even possible, to choose.) But some do just want to get through life the best they can, clueless perhaps, unknowingly asleep, or perhaps willfully ignorant. That is still their right. ----Freedom, folks, remember?

We can certainly list how far freedom has disappeared from daily life or is slowly fading away, but still some remains. It should be granted to everyone though, or to no one at all. And the worse thing to think is, even those sorry and pitiful power-brokers who spend human lives like so many tokens in a game of "Who's in Control?", they would also have the freedom to do whatever they want also. (Hating this wretched and disgusting thought.) Only, if freedom is to exist, then it goes for everyone. Having allowed for whatever reasons the immoral and corruptible folks to "have the reins" of this mass-vehicle is something the entire world, from the far past up until the present time, has done. It was an agreement--- to be lulled to sleep and lied to, to be deceived and harmed, to be turned into passive voyeurs of false programs, and to have poor leaders and to give to them the power and control over our lives. Everyone agreed in some way, accepting what others declare without examining the truth of it, intimately and externally, taking the whole hook-line-and-sinker of it like mindless fish and then forgetting ourselves, or not using plain common sense and personal authority to make a decision on our very own--- because we don't trust ourselves, right? Otherwise it couldn't have occurred.

Argue existentialism or fatalism, religion or science, the "who- what- why- and how did we get here" of it all, etc. Argue random evolution or planned creation, determinism or whatever ---- it makes us into either meaningless evolved sea-monkeys, or creatures blessed by a divine Creator. In any case however, can we trust ourselves? Can we trust our actions or the actions of others? Attitude, remember?

I read someone state on here, "Try pissing in the corn in a supermarket" or some such, as if a person doesn't have the freedom to do that. Sure you can--- go for it. The consequences might stink though, but still, you can do that if that's your thing. Don't know why you would want to ruin some perfectly good GMO-corn though---someone would eat those ears!

To learn of how bad it actually is around the world, absolutely yes, it hurts awful and is painful to hear any of it, it can cause nightmares and screams or worse---but maybe it should! That's the point. You can't heal if you don't know you are hurt. Unfortunately "we" as a people aren't hurting enough yet for the big changes to happen. I would venture that the amount or rate of "awakening" is proportional to the amount of "pain" and hurt that is being known about or felt in the world that we need to end or cure or help. But that's just an idea after all.

Speechifying time is over--- off to the market for some corn! On second thought...

Ok. I was in the exact same position as you. I felt helpless and powerless, because I turned away from establishment media and was consuming only conspiracy stuff. I switched from one extreme to the other. However, the reality lies exactly in between.

 

Let's say robots. A lot of people on the establishment side think more or less about assisting robots, while people on the conspiracy side think that all robotic companies are there to create the next T1000. Not true, the reality is in between. There are companies that work as governmental contractors to create killer robots, while there a lot of other robotic companies that really care about people who need help.

 

GMO's are another huge topic. A lot of people think it will benefit the human race, while another part believes that it's there to kill us slowly and put us under control. The reality is again a grey area. While there are companies that do a shitty job in order to get their profits up, there are other that really care about solving world hunger. Getting rid of GMO's might be a fatal mistake in the creation of a sustainable future. We can play god now and shape our own future. The question is, how do you ensure that the technology is not abused.

 

You live in the digital age, you have access to a lot of information and different points of view, don't view a topic only from one perspective, do your own research and look at the benefits and negative applications. Take real live examples to see if technologies or methods are abused or used to benefit humanity.

 

Now to answer your questions in the end. You won't change minds by doing what conspiracy theorist are doing now. The reason why those people are ridiculous by others has nothing to do with the way they think, but in the way they present their ideas. There is no thought-leadership in the conspiracy circles. Your charismatic politician makes you give your freedom away, while a conspiracy theorist is perceived as Woody Harrelson in 2012.

 

I don't believe in fighting fire with fire, but in this case yes. Over the past thousands of years humanity was programmed by the church, by monarchs, by media outlets and now even by corporations. It works, it worked for thousands of years and it will work forever, and as long we have emotions, we will be manipulated in any way possible. Running around in a tin-foil head and speaking the truth is not as effective as looking presentable and selling an image. A shouter like Alex Jones or a "psychopath" like David Icke are not really good business cards for the truth. You want to change something. Find a charismatic person, make him tell stories because this what human beings react to and build a following. Use PR and marketing techniques to spread your message. There is no other way around it.

That alone just say how much democracy is dead, it never existed.

Fuck democracy. It absolutely exists and is part of the problem.

I don't completely agree, but a very wise man once said democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner...

A lot of times "democracy doesn't work" equates to "centralize power" which I am adamantly against.

How about direct democracy?

Using something like the blockchain? Sounds good to me. Devil is always in the details though.

That requires an informed electorate, we have a deliberately badly misinformed electorate.

Then it's up to we the people to change that, right?

Yes, but not many know it is all lies, and see no reason for changing the rules.

http://historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html

C'mon, tell them to give it a try.

I think power needs to be globally centralized, with the most intelligent "ruling," i.e., making the overreaching decisions for the benefit of humanity and the globe. Centralized power works if money ceases to exist. Their job would be to make sure everyone is having fun.

Sorry but that's the natural outcome of any system where people have freedom.

We have to compromise with each other in any society. The issues we largely agree on will get laws/bills passed easily. The issues we don't agree on will stick around and the ones with the greatest divide will get the most attention. It's perfectly natural for issues like that to go one way or the other by only 1%.

There is no such thing as absolute freedom for every individual, at least not in the objective reality. We all depend on each other and on a larger scale mother nature. We just have to compromise and we don't always get what we want. The alternatives are far worse.

America has never been a democracy, nor is it a democratically elected republic. It's a corporatocracy because of lobbying and money in politics. This is political science and factual, not open to personal debate because it would be debating verifiable facts.

If you want a democracy,

1. ) Build your own internet, don't let any government on it.
2. ) Build a secure voting system that lets you vote on individual issues (people = legislation branch)
3. ) The most number of people wins. If you want a margin of error, set a threshold, like 55%
4. ) Create your own system of rules, and have people obey them and start ignoring the rules of the 'vestigal government' of the failed US

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America has never been a democracy, nor is it a democratically elected republic. It's a corporatocracy because of lobbying and money in politics. This is political science and factual, not open to personal debate because it would be debating verifiable facts.

If you want a democracy,

1. ) Build your own internet, don't let any government on it.
2. ) Build a secure voting system that lets you vote on individual issues (people = legislation branch)
3. ) The most number of people wins. If you want a margin of error, set a threshold, like 55%
4. ) Create your own system of rules, and have people obey them and start ignoring the rules of the 'vestigal government' of the failed US