Holy fuck this is intriguing.

This needs to be upvoted

Called it 5 hours ago in another thread. Named names.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4u3zg0/instagram_video_of_shooter_opening_fire_on/d5mr512

EDIT - UPDATE: The Wiki page of Einat Wilf, Richard Gutjahr's wife, has been edited to SCRUB all reference to her having worked in Israeli intelligence. Here are screen shots of the Wiki Page four days ago, and how it appears today:

http://i.imgur.com/CPC4IQa.png

Here is a link to an archive of the original Wiki page: http://archive.is/Y5O6S

Here is a link to an archive of the SCRUBBED page: https://archive.is/mLLXI

Yet another strange "coincidence"?

Well done !

I don't usually ascribe to Conspiracy Theories but I have to admit that is one freaky connection. I would keep an eye on where this guy travels in the future.

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I'd say too late. The correlation has already had thousands of internet views. They'll have to use another puppet for these sorts of things. And Mr. Gutjahr will have to find another form of employment.

I thought these people usually just commit suicide by putting two bullets in the back of their head. Or dropping a bar bell on their neck.

Why do you have to qualify your statement by saying you "don't usually ascribe to conspiracy theories"? Genuinely curious about this. As if ascribing to conspiracy theories in general is something to be looked down on. They happen all the time, and it's not like if you believe in a conspiracy theory that you are* then a member of a club that makes you the same as everyone else who believes in a conspiracy theory.

EDIT: Left out a word.

All major politicians are conspiracy theorists they talk about it on tv all the time.

It's just a nasty buzz word people have been stigmatized into disliking.

It's called a straw man and it's a logical fallacy. Propaganda relies heavily on logical fallacies - it's how the truth is bent.

Because I don't? To elaborate, by ascribe I mean "don't actively read or talk about it in my daily life" because while these theories can be intriguing, I have other things to do in my life than worry about what the CIA/FSB/NATO/Israel/powerful lobbyists/world governments are up to.

I'm not proving or qualifying anything, in fact I used to always watch videos about Conspiracies both real and theoretical years ago, as well as being subscribed to this subreddit; however you should be aware that comes with it's own negative sentiments, if you look at what other people on Reddit say about it.

The fact that I bothered to come to this thread, read OP's post, and scroll down here to see the additional info means that I am open to different perspectives on a topic and don't hold the same stigma as others do. Like you said yourself, me believing in one theory doesn't necessarily mean I believe in other theories, so me showing interest in this particular theory shouldn't change that.

Simmer down young one...I was just asking a question. No need to write a book about it. I just have never been able to understand why some people (not saying you) seem to lump all "conspiracy theorists" into some sort of uniform organization, which then means a lot of people act like they have to seperate themselves from "it"...whatever "it" is, and it's just an interesting psychological phenomenon, that's why I was asking my original question, which you didn't really address, and, as a side note, I really don't understand the angst that's just dripping from your comment.

You were asking me to elaborate my reasoning, which I did, I don't see how I didn't address your broad-ranging question (which was more of a general statement). The 'psychological phenomenon' is called a stigma, which I also addressed if you actually read my comment.

They were totally waiting to attack you if you said something derogatory about conspiracy theorists so they took their high road out and just oozed out passive aggressive bullshit at you.

It's funny because I never personally said anything bad about conspiracy theorists in the first place, and people here wonder why the rest of Reddit doesn't like them...

But now you did ;)

So immature...

It's only a conspiracy until irrefutable evidence manifests before you. Most conspiracy theories are for tin foil hat wearing mad men, I would say, but you know when something is legit because the homework is done and you cannot deny the homework.

The term "conspiracy theorist" is used by the corporate media to sensor by ridicule. In a free country citizens should be free to theorize with out fear of ridicule or sensorship.

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You should see what else Mossad and the CIA have been doing lately.

Can we just revolt at this point?

Love it; Reddit sleuths back in action... Excellent work!

Edit: The question rapidly becomes, is Gutjahr an Israeli spy or a gov't plant to report on the fabricated story that they've created that further pushes their narrative?

The Wikipedia page is not changed.

Also this coincidence from Gutjahrs wiki page :

Einer größeren Öffentlichkeit wurde er durch seine Reportage aus Kairo während der Revolution in Ägypten 2011 bekannt.[15] Hierbei entschloss sich Gutjahr spontan und ohne Auftrag beim Aufenthalt in Israel zur Reise nach Kairo.[16]

In English?

Sorry for not translating. Gutjahr decided spontaneously and without having any assignment/order to go from Israel to Cairo during the time of the revolution in 2011.

He's like that guy in Nightcrawler.

My first thought too, but I am going to wait for more datapoints like this. There was a guy that survived both nuclear bombings in Japan, so yeah.

There was a guy that survived both nuclear bombings in Japan, so yeah.

I'd love to see how the /r/Conspiracy thread would go down if that happened today.

I listened to Hoax Busters Afternoon Commute and they were discussing whether or not atomic bombs are real, because they were skeptical on the science.

Whether or not they even exist?! What?

Simple way to prove it, just go ask the Japanese.

I mean have you ever actually met someone who has been atom bombed?

People are skeptical about everything nowadays. I think the thought was that certain ends are reached but not in the manner explained. Like a math problems solved the wrong way

If you look at it cynical it might be a smart filter to not waste mental energy. These days that makes you surely more right than wrong in the end about anything related the public spectrum.

P.S. It's still stupid though:-)

I like listening to wild viewpoints. I feel like instead of wasting mental energy, it helps me think outside of set patterns. I take it all with a grain of salt, of course. Except that flat earth shit. That's really stupid.

Man there's flat-earth people and those who think the moon is literally a hologram on this very sub.

I'm sure there's someone who thinks all the nukes were CGI.

You know we had great CGI in the 40's right?! :D

The moon is not a hologram...its a satellite put into orbit by ancient tech 😉

I bet we could go there and get some ZPMs!

Also feel free to go through my comment history on this sub. Seems I have a way of attracting the truly nutty ones.

I thought this sub was called "Conspiracy"? Aren't we all a little nutty? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULjMjK5lCI

I personally witnessed the glowing radiation cloud in space caused by a nuclear bomb test in space. You could see it from the ground and the media told you to lool for it. It was a big glow in the night sky that was completely obviously very high in the atmosphere (higheractually) and huge.

Plenty of peopel alive have seen actual nuclear tests in Nevada. People in las Vegas heard them and saw the clouds. All paintings painted before the before the nuke was detonated don't have a certain element in the paint that was created during the atomic blast. All paintings painted afterward do. Its one way they authentic old paintings.

Cool! I was just using that show as an example of how people will question anything. I wasn't invested in that argument myself.

Anecdotes aren't proof something happened.

Enough of them are.

And even a small number ARE evidence.

I'd love to see how the /r/Conspiracy thread would go down if that happened today.

I think if it happened again today, the bigger question would be "who nuked Japan twice in 2016?"

Completely different story. There are many people who survived impacts in their vincinity, it's not like they stood in the craters of impact

From what I recall he survived because he dove underwater when the bombs went off. He would have died otherwise

You mean when it happens.

The more relevant conspiracy is the multiple Jesuits that survived Hiroshima.

I survived the nuclear bombings in japan, both of them.

This is exactly what I thought. Theres so many of us and so much happens that phenomenally unlikely things happen regularly.

Did he film both of them too? You know, for posterity?

Nuclear bombings have a rather large radius and apply to a hell of a lot more people than these instances.

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Or like Nightcrawler from Xmen and and can teleport.

oh shit.

Is that a good movie? I just added it to my Netflix list and need to know if I should watch it tomorrow or leave it sit there.

Id def check it out, I liked it a lot. I could see how some people might not like it, its a dark movie for sure.

I liked it.

What's stranger to me is the amount of people just blowing it off as nothing. Sure there is a probability that he could just be a journalist from Munich on vacation in Nice, but to be in the same location as both attacks is a phenomenally low probability.

"Oh clearly he's a journalist from Munich visiting France." Weird how that's being said over and over again.

Even IF Munich is a small place there are literally tens of thousands of locations he could have been at the time of the shooting, but no he was right at the McDonald's and was already filming when it started to happen.

Sure there is a probability that he could just be a journalist from Munich on vacation in Nice, but to be in the same location as both attacks is a phenomenally low probability.

For any one person the probability is low, but the probability that there was at least one person in the same location for any of the many recent-ish attacks in Europe is a lot higher.

I'm not saying there's nothing here, but probability alone doesn't prove anything.

Birthday paradox, my first thought too. Someone was bound to be somewhat near both events statistically speaking.

Yeah wasn't there that Mormon lad who was at the Boston, Paris, and Brussels attacks?

My first thought was the guy that got hit by both atomic bombs dropped on Japan

He was in both twin towers as they crumbled "mostly due to structural failure due high heat from the jet fuel."

That's not as surprising. He was in two cities in Japan. He had to leave the first one for obvious reasons. There were a lot more who were present in both cities, the just weren't all lucky enough to survive the second blast...

That was proof of a conspiracy. Not proof of a non conspiracy.

Now you have seen the same thing happen again so you have two known person cases of impossible odds of major spokespeople around significantevents which manipulate public opinion.

It is MORE proof it happens not less.

Yeah right? Mason Wells Sandy Utah

Got a little ditty on that after Brussels event when he is sitting in hospital with supposedly burned face etc:

Face burned Mormon Yet he talks so smooth? Acting career a maybe But first his all expense paid cruise

He does look so pretty in that clean white mask But we prefer our Mason With a waterboarded white ass.

It recently dawned on me that of all the major terrorist attacks that have taken place from 9/11 to now in Western nations, a member of my immediate family has been within maybe 20 miles of the major ones. Not every single one but A LOT! We travel quite a bit for work and live in different countries etc. but its a really odd coincidence and I'm sure it happens all the time.

Like the odd coincidence that his wife was a Knesset member and her Mossad reference was whitewashed from Wiki.

There are reasons why Casinos and Lotteries are so successful because most people don't understand or want to think about the concept of probability.

If the US terror state would apply the same "anti" terror heuristics on this guy he would have vanished in some dark hole somewhere before we could even blink.

That all relies on comparing casino and Lottery games to human nature and random events.

If the US terror state would apply the same "anti" terror heuristics

This is extremely more difficult than you are making it out to be. There isn't a set of 52, or 64 outcomes. There are infinite outcomes.

This situation seems really shady, I agree. Just pointing out that the prediction software most places use isn't very reliable. And it's not because really intelligent people aren't trying. Deep Learning is having almost trillions of dollars thrown into it.

No, the probability of being a journalist from Munich is a LOT lower than 1/365.

If you actually did want to make this arguement, you would then have to include the possibility of someone also filming, at the site, before the event.

Did you read? He wasn't filming before the event. The video from McDonald's was from an Instagram user and he was driving in a car, when he heard from it via Twitter.

This sub is making up things.

If you connect it with the probability of a "german" "journalist" having an ex. Knesset and obviously Mossad member as a wife makes any reasonable explanations mute. End of Story.

What do you need more to red flag something personally?

Precisely this. Let's start connecting dots when it's like 4 or 5 instances.

Let's start connecting dots when it's like 4 or 5 instances

haha 4 or 5, you're a stupid asshole..

the probability that there was at least one person in the same location for any of the many recent-ish attacks in Europe is a lot higher

"a lot higher"? ORLY? so tell me, what's thelikelihood of a single person witnessing a terrorist attack in europe? Then tell me, what's the likelihood of someone witnessing two terrorist attacks in europe? How's that for "a lot higher"?

Has nobody here taken probability and statistics?

The probablityis more than low. Its impossibly low.

And statistical evidence is used to prove scientific facts and court cases all the time.

He wasn't at the McDonalds during the shooting. He said during the prime time news that he's in his car in Munich, heard the news through twitter and drove to the scene. The video showing the murderer was filmed by someone else and uploaded to social media.

if this is true (which seems credible as I haven't heard him claim that he was actually at Macdonalds during the dime of the shooting) then it blows this theory apart. Does anyone have a link to this?

Tageschau Link He talks with the host via phone around the 2:30 mark. Don't know if you can watch it, could be region locked.

Of course this theory is bollocks. That's just the state this subreddit is in, crying false flag at every incident that happens.

But his wife is a secret Mossad agent!!11!!

No sources, but just believe me!

Because secret service agencies provide source material for their accusers on the regular.

No it doesn't. What the likelihood of someone witnessing a single terrorist attack in europe?

From his Twitter it does seem as if he uploaded images and then deleted them at the request of the police. However it's not really clear what was in the images. He just days he made a mistake uploading them, he just couldn't believe that he was in that situation again.

So it's unclear, but since he is a journalist in Munich it seems likely that he would rush to the scene and I don't see any direct references to him being there as it happened.

The pictures he removed showed police operations during the first couple hours when the situation was still unclear. You're correct that he removed them after the munich police tweeted to not post videos or pictures, and clarrified in this tweet that the 4 pics he posted were 30 mins delayed to not compromise the officers in those photos.

Just for context, I followed the situation from the start in the live thread on reddit, watched german television (native german), checked twitter for updates and even saw his pictures since I follow him.

Well in this very post by the OP, we have:

Local reporter Richard Gutjahr described the scene at the shopping center as something "out of a bad movie," with the shopping center completely surrounded by police, a helicopter overhead, and police carrying semi-automatic rifles. Gutjahr was not able to confirm reports of deaths or injuries.

So this guy can literally only describe the general scene in Munich and has no other information. Yeah, no conspiracy here, move along folks.

Being from Germany and in France doesn't sound terribly unlikely to me either TBH.

it's not like he was in Lyon on a random Tuesday to get a croissant, he went to a famous vacation area on a major holiday like thousands of other people. I feel like ideas like these just distract from actual problems and discredit the criticisms of rising ultranationalism.

I know right? I'm reading this entire thing in disbelief. Him being in both places sound perfectly reasonable to me.

it's not like he was in Lyon on a random Tuesday

That's what people are saying: it was a specific Tuesday

McDonald's. Donald. Trump. You do the math

Sorry I never did learn imaginary numbers

They're not imaginary, just complex! ;)

You don''t need to learn them, just use your imagination!

I never trust Finders.

It's a solid philosophy.

Glad you agree, nothing personal.

We pretty much live in a time where everybody gets the sense that behind the scenes our glorious leaders are up to some pretty shady things, and yet most throw a semi transparent screen over that and pretend every one is still playing by the rules, all evidence to the contrary.

It's eventually going to lead to some weird shit bubbling to the surface, stuff like Trump and this or BLM, things that from far away should look odd to the casual observer yet remain part of our every day experience.

I just got back from a trips to Nice, followed by a trip to Munich. Was at the same strip in Nice and same mall in Munich. It's not that crazy, lots of Germans vacation in Nice.

I bet the odds of him coincidentally being at both terror attacks are far greater than the odds that Melania Trump actually chose the same words that Michelle Obama chose in her speech on her own.

But you won't see that statistic on the news.

Ahh so Gutjahr was the McDonald's cameraman. Good.

I like Balcony Man better. Dude has balls.

Statistically impossible.

Either forewarned or faked.

Likely forewarned.

That means someone wanted it to publicly happen.

That means someone within an agency is some sort of alternative to globalists and is against Muslim immigration into Europe. (unless it turns out its pinned on a "neonazi" in which case it would fit the globalist immigrationist agenda perfectly becuase ot would provide backlash against those agaisnt the mass muslim immigrationinto Europe and would explain this guy's participation)

People assuming Europe is like USA.. Ffs Europe is small and a lot of people vacation in neighbouring countries, the probabilities of this happening are well within normal. I think you are just trying to hard to see something that isn't there. And you're even if is not an even if, because if your a tourist you are likely to be in public places which narrows down that probability even more

I need to say Holy Frijole on this one.

Holy Frijole.

Thank you for reading. Have a nice dystopia.

Man, my dystopia was fine before you added your 2 cents.

Yeah, he just shit on our dystopia!

People need to be asking why these hoaxes and false flag events are occurring at such a rapid pace right now.

One of the main reasons is because Wikileaks released all of those DNC e-mails and the globalists are trying to bury the spread of that news with these "terrorist attacks."

Can you elaborate on this? I'm genuinely interested but don't know much about the Wikileaks.

assuming you aren't breaking rule 5...oh wait...i can't...are you srs?

2 days of email leaks. With more to come. So far it's shown DNC is pretty suspect.

The GOP doesn't want the system to crash either. If the DNC were to implode or fracture and some third party could gain momentum, it would be bad for both wings of the beast.

Thats why they dont really rock the boat too badly. They have MAD with the democrats.

Are you talking about the US election? Tell me more about this. I need filled in.

Not so much the election as the political situation in general. The two parties are both owned and controlled by largely the same people, with the same general interests. No matter who wins the election, the oligarchs win.

Dissent from this status quo is largely kept to the fringes of each party: Ron Paul in the GOP and Sanders in the DNC. But if the democrats were to split, and a viable third party to form, many on the fringe right could join, realizing both parties are corrupt. The oligarchs can effectively control the political system by controlling the two parties, but if enough people lose faith in them, their control is threatened.

I see. Thanks for the info

Fear. Its easy to get the people to do your bidding tell them theyre being attacked and denounce opposition as unpatriotic

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/19/1c/e6191ca4f69d8ff6dd36eb22c73b109e.jpg

So why didn't DNC or Clinton e-mail leaks include information on creating false flag attacks?

It's above her pay grade.

They did include evidence of race baiting and show thatloterally the Hillary camp could control what was being said and talked about on major news media . Litrally they send emails saying they do t like something being said. They meet directly with reporter. The dialog stops on latershows.

It wasn't a terrorist attack though. The media wanted it to be, but it wasn't.

They're calling it the Summer of Chaos for a reason.

Gov is desperate without the support of its people.

Way to start with assumptions there big boy.

"Hey honey, Israel has some intel that there will be another ISIS attack today. It serves Israels interest to let innocent people die, but why don't you go film it again. We'll be famous. :)"

Israel Secret Service are the ones doing this shit. What a good way to get everyone to hate your enemy, run around pretend you're them committing numerous atrocities. They basically kill 2 birds with one stone.

That is how they got the Shia/Sunni thing going again in Iraq. Although that was the US and British.

Makes no sense unless they that untouchable.

This is a good thing.

If you want to be safe just make sure you are not where this guy is.

He hasn't had a very Gut Jahr has he.

Well come on guys, it is what it is. The one world government is revoking our freedoms, locking us down and enacting world wide martial law and dominance over the people and the earth. Wake up!

Both are obviously false flags, the photographer is in on it, he only releases photos which fit in with the narrative

No it doesn't

Uhm.. the guy lives in Munich and he was on vacation in Nice. While the latter might be seen as a strange coincidence, the former should be expected. And do you have a source on the wife being a Mossad agent? All I find is that she was a Knesset member.

Edit: Looks like his wife really did work for Israeli Intelligence.

Every time there is a disaster, people pop up who were at both events. It's unusual, but not that unusual.

It's not just that there were there, he was able to videotape the beginning parts of both events. That's a cosmic level of probability right there. But you are right, it could be a very unlikely coincidence.

He seems like the kind of guy who is just constantly taking pictures or filming

It's almost as if he's a journalist.

Hey! Stop that!

Hey! Stop that!

Go to circlejerk.

Woah there, I don't do these things, therefore it is completely unlikely that anyone else in the world does!

saying something mildly reasonable instead of reiterating an OP's post in r/conspiracy? unspeakable

I'm a journalist. I travel all over Europe all the time. I didn't get any video footage of either attack, but then I'm not married to a Mossad agent.

Compelling argument, because you didn't film it yourself it's impossible that any other person could have?

I know literally hundreds of European journalists who weren't present at these attacks. The only one who was present at both terrorist attacks happens to be married to an Israeli intelligence agent.

What are you even saying? Just because you know a bunch of people that weren't at the attacks doesn't mean nobody was there. Your logic doesn't make any sense at all.

I'm saying the only journalist who was present at both attacks is married to someone who potentially/allegedly had insider information about these attacks, before they took place. It isn't difficult to comprehend what I'm saying.

The guy lives in Munich and was taking a trip to Nice during a holiday where tourists were everywhere in the city. It's weird, obviously, but considering the sheer volume of people that were present in the area of both attacks I'm really not that surprised that one guy happened to be at both.

Occam's razor, never attribute to malice, yada yada yada.

Wow its almost as if Israeli heavily benefits from having western nations engage in war with their enemies and is willing to do anything to have that be the case. But hey, its not like Israeli leaders and top officials are on record saying they'll do whatever it takes to achieve their goals right? and i mean, Israel has a great human rights record.

I must just be a tinfoil hat idiot for not beliving the TV narratives.

Obviously you don't care very much about your career then.

If someone told me to expect terrorist attacks in Nice and Munich, I could have also been there to report on them.

Well clearly if one journalist that has been to Europe was in both cities at the same time, then all journalists that have been to Europe must have been in both cities at the same time. You have made a perfect argument.

As international journalists, we travel all over the world. We travel to where the story is.

Sometimes there is a pre-planned meeting to report on, such as a political leader's visit. A political journalist knows in advance and can get to the destination of that meeting.

When it comes to terrorist attacks, there's no memo, no press release, that gets distributed in advance. It catches everyone, including journalists, by surprise. That's the point of the attacks. If we knew about them in advance, we could do something to prevent them.

How come the only journalist that was present at both attacks is married to an Israeli intelligence agent? Did he know about them in advance?

And his big move was then to get quoted in both reports?

I forgot only Mossad know how to use cameras

Explains why Israelis are best journalists they have all the Intel.

He appears to be a journalist, so I'm sure he's always ready to start filming anything interesting going on, and he'll be one of the people who runs towards incidents since he knows how to make money from his footage.

Yeah, he was a photography major with an emphasis in random large scale murder events.

Hm, wish they offered that emphasis at my school

I don't. Keep the Random Large Scale Murder Events out of my school, please.

Va Tech does

There's the Japanese guy who managed to get nuked. Twice. And live to talk about it. shrug

Sometimes coincidences just happen.

山口 彊, Yamaguchi Tsutomu

Conspiracy theorists don't appear to like coincidences. Or rather, they like them a whole heckuvahlot, but they have a different word for them.

People ought to be willing to humor coincidence theories and conspiracy theories. Neither possibility should be prematurely eliminated in any scenario until it's reasonable to do so.

Showing up in the conspiracy boards to show contempt for conspiracy theorists isn't going to win you any friends or demoralize people who will feel more than free to consider you a confirmed shill.

Just trying to help you push the narrative. :^)

Hey, this was on the front page. I have no agenda.

Oh so you're saying it was just a coincidence? Sure buddy, roll on.

I said nothing at all about "it". I made an observation about coincidences.

I was making light of the debate you were involved in by insinuating that you claiming to have simply found this thread on the front page by coincidence was in fact a conspiracy in itself.

Oh my, oops! After all the other comments and even a friggin' PM, everything started to sound the same way. See what this place does to a person? Definite wooooosh. That was actually a pretty funny comment then, well done, ha! I needed that!

Oh hey, I have some common sense so can you call me a shill too?

Muh common sense. Who control what is considered common sense?

All your values, morals, common sense, and view of history are heavily influenced by the society you live in and its primary method of obtaining information. In the USA its hollywood movies. Do you think that no one figured out that the best way to control what people consider the common point of view was to slowly inseminate film with it? there are whole library sections on how to do so.

Welcome to the sub. You common sense shill. lol

Yay! Thanks for the endorsement. :)

That's a good point. Can't really eliminate either possibility. But it seems in this sub the default is conspiracy and before most people admit that it's just a coincidence they need extensive evidence (sometimes that doesn't even work). It should probably be the other way around.

They're called theories. Iraq yellow cake was fake, 911 was done by the saudis, the nsa spys on everyone and bernie got a raw deal. every one of these got shit on, and yet every one of them was true, and those that said said they were bullshit have done a 180 and pretended like they were mainstream ideas. Well they weren't. They were all conspiracy theories.

Yeah your right, everything is just as it appears in every situation. Your government doesn't lie to you, and everybody that tells you what an awesome amazing person you are, is never ever lying. Two faced? That's a batman character.... hot damn I wish I could live in the blissfull ignorance you seem to be all about

Where did I say any of that?

I dislike the term "conspiracy theorist" for all but the most absurd (flat-earthers, faked moon landing) because shit like this happens.

False flags happen (it's suspected Turkey's coupe was a false flag for the PM to seize more power...). To this day. Corruption happens (even with Western politicians!). People will pay other people to kill people and to keep them quiet. The drug cartels for sure do this. What puts politicians silencing opposition above it?

All of the above scenarios, at some point in time, have happened before. Society has made some good progress with lowering assassination attempts and corruption in general - but it still exists.

It doesn't help when we have proof from our own government of doing shady shit. Things like this or even shit like this.

People like to think that stuff in the 50's-60's sure-as-shit wouldn't happen in the 21st century. I don't understand that rationale. My favorite conspiracy was actually proven to be a legitimate concern, even in the 21st century.

It is OK in my book to remain suspicious of governments using COINTEL practices to control their population. The theory itself is plausible. Thinking the same journalist proves this theory is where people cross into "conspiracy theorist" in my eyes. Occam's razor and all that jazz.

It is important to remain at least a little suspicious. After all, the government would love nothing more than its citizens to completely ignore everyone who thinks the government may be corrupt any time someone tries to out them as being corrupt. ;)

If I wasn't on the list already - I sure as hell am now.

combine coincidence with connections, then you can justifiably say conspiracy.

to deny this is retarded, or evidence of somebody on a payroll.

He wasn't the only person to have it happen to either.

Obviously he is some kind of Nuclear Man who was just learning to control his powers. The bombs were just a cover, they were actually filled with lemon lime Jello.

Well yes but a city contains thousands upon thousands of people. The odds of someone happening to travel from one particular city to another particular city on a particular day are quite high.

Particularly.

Yeah but he didn't film it.

This man survived two tsunamis, first the one in Indonesia in 2004, then the one in Japan.

This woman survived the sinking of the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic, as well as an accident on a third ship, the Olympic.

This couple survived 6 separate disasters on their honeymoon.

This man survived the Boston bombings, Paris attack, and the Brussels attack.

This man survived 9/11 and the Paris attacks.

Roy Sullivan was struck by lightning 7 separate times and survived them all.

This family survived the Haiti earthquake, moved to Chile, and then survived their earthquake.

This couple survived 9/11, the 2005 London bombings, and the Mumbai bombings.

Mark Weingard survived 9/11, the Bali bombings(though his fiancee was killed), and the 2004 tsunami.

So yeah, people experience multiple disasters all the time.

Actually, I don't think he filmed the second mcdonalds one. It just says he was in the vicinity. If he lives in Munich and was vacationing in Nice, then it's not as improbable.

Might be wrong on this one, if anyone can provide sources.

But this is more probable.

If he took both videos, then yeah it would be infinitely small chance unless he was part of it. But he only took the first video and was in the area of Munich.

I think some people are reading it wrong and ending up concluding incorrectly.

The point is also when you are looking for someone to interview a reporter is going to be one more likely to get asked and quoted.

Exactly. Local journalist says the scene was pretty full on. He is a journalist he headed to where the news was. It doesn't say he was at the McDonalds or even in the neighbourhood when it started. As a journalist he we'd have been able to access more vantage points for news. In addition I am sure journalists have a network of other journalists they seek info from. If he was early on to the scene it's probable an associate would have contacted him to get further information for their own articles......omg like this article just written

The video from Munich is from an IG account. He didn't tape it.

I have a photographer friend who is always ready to videotape and photograph everything. He's an actual photographer, has a degree in it and everything. These types of people go right into it and are ready at the drop of a hat.

Actually the first video, there was no warning of the truck plowing a crowd of people.

However, he didn't take the second video. He was just in the area, so it's much more probable.

If hes a journalist I imagine he's always filming and if he's at the celebration in Nice, he was probably just getting anything he could film. I can't and haven't watched either. It's too unnerving for me. I imagine he is always filming. My friend is always doing the same thing. They capture the best things. It's their job.

It doesn't look like he even shot the Munich video. It's linked from a "John DeConner" in the Mother Jones article, and Gutjahr's quoted description of the scene sounds like he arrived after it was all over or at least towards the end. Which would make sense if he's a Munich based reporter sent out to cover a breaking news event, that he was not there from the beginning.

Bollocks, he didn't videotape the munich attacks. That was some random kid on the street who uploaded it to social media.

That's utter bullshit. He didn't tape in Munich.

He didn't tape the second one, did he?

The video from munich wasnt filmed by him in the beginning, he heard what was happening went to the scene and then started filming.

Someone else uploaded the video we see the attack starting in.

*Cohencidence

FTFY

Damn you, Bong Boy!

What other events? And have people experienced more than 2 disasters/attacks?

There was a guy that survived both atom bombs in Japan. He lived in Nagasaki and was on a business trip to Hiroshima or something.

There's this guy http://nypost.com/2016/03/25/the-american-who-survived-brussels-paris-and-boston-terror-attacks-says-hes-lucky/

This man survived two tsunamis, first the one in Indonesia in 2004, then the one in Japan.

This woman survived the sinking of the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic, as well as an accident on a third ship, the Olympic.

This couple survived 6 separate disasters on their honeymoon.

This man survived the Boston bombings, Paris attack, and the Brussels attack.

This man survived 9/11 and the Paris attacks.

Roy Sullivan was struck by lightning 7 separate times and survived them all.

This family survived the Haiti earthquake, moved to Chile, and then survived their earthquake.

This couple survived 9/11, the 2005 London bombings, and the Mumbai bombings.

Mark Weingard survived 9/11, the Bali bombings(though his fiancee was killed), and the 2004 tsunami.

So yeah, people experience multiple disasters all the time.

You the real mvp

There were people in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the day the atomic bombs were dropped. Tsutomu Yamaguchi is the officially recognized one. Can't imagine he'd want to be there for one of those let alone both.

And he was 3km away from both detonations. Coincidences do happen.

Posts like this reaching the front page is one of the reasons people view /r/consiracy as a big joke.

Hey look! It's that predictable comment then the one agreeing with it...

Bound to happen when there is a far more reasonable and logical explanation.

I mean, there's someone who survived both nuclear attacks in Japan, does that mean he was part of a conspiracy?

Yeah like the very few Japanese people who were at both atomic bomb sites when the bombs dropped. Well not the direct sites because we'll you know.

This reminded my of the guy who managed to be at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the bombs went off. Some people are really unlucky...

He wasn't just someone there.

He was a major media spokesperson and sourceof video evidence for both events.

That simply makes it more reasonable. A journalist is probably going to be the kind of person to stop and record rather than run away. I'm not saying that the conspiracy is an entirely wild and completely impossible reason, simply that there is a far more reasonable and understandable explanation. And generally the simpler answer is the correct one.

the guy lives in Munich

Well there you go. Great job of OP to omit that detail.

So he lives near a major road where this took place, and he was on vacation in France during a highly traveled holiday period? Spooky. There are more shocking coincidences than this.

It also sounds like he's describing the mall from outside when all the other reporters would have shown up too.

Local reporter Richard Gutjahr

Yep, in fact it would have been very odd for him to not be on scene at a major event in his town like this. It's his job. Nice was more unlikely, but not shocking. He was at a major celebration that thousands of others attended. Some of those others were probably also from Munich.

Munich -> 1972 -> Mossad, end.

That makes him the perfect agent than. You wouldn't want a guy from China in Nice and Germany, right? That'll be beyond suspect.

Munich is a major city and Nice isn't exactly small. He was on the scene for both events, not simply in the same city. Big difference.

Meh there was an American missionary who was also present at two or three different attacks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/23/brussels-explosions-mormon-missionary-injured-after-surviving-boston-and-paris-attacks

Arrest him!

only if someone gets to say mission failed after kicking a door down.

Jerk harder

Source?

Edit: thanks!

The Nice attack happened at a major event that a lot of people were at. Not like it would be weird for someone who was in Nice at the time to be present.

Wasn't there some kid that survived the Boston and Paris attacks and was injured at the Brussels airport one? That one's more crazy.

Edit: Yup, found it: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brussels-attacks-missionary-injured-after-surviving-boston-and-paris-attacks-a6947361.html

That guy is probably the single most tired of terror human on earth.

She is not Mossad, she is more like the Israeli Intelligence agency, like NSA, not CIA. She was officer at the Unit 8200. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf#Biography

So it is also possible that they just knew about this before from internal intelligence, and not a false flag. Who knows.

Did you seriously just say that the Central Intelligence Agency is not an intelligence agency?

Clearly that's not what they were saying; they were saying that Mossad and Unit 8200 are different intelligence agencies, doing different intel agency stuff, just like the CIA and NSA.

Well, you know the problems of the CIA getting intelligence. They are super weak on HUMINT, only strong on the operational and counter intelligence efforts. But of course they are officially the "Intelligence Agency", even if the NSA has all the budgets for it nowadays.

the "Intelligence Agency"

"One of the 16 or 17 distinct Intelligence (spy) Agencies in the US would be more fair.
That link said 17; here's a link that says 16.

Every major (cabinet level) agency has multiple intel agenices. DoD has a quite few of them (DIA, NSA, ONI, CSS, etc) The Treasury Department has a "Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence". The DoE has a Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence. And the State Department has its Bureau of Intelligence and Research. .

^{hmm. imagine how much better they could work together if we decided the purpose of all those agencies was mostly to Secure the Homeland, and rolled them all into one under DHS}

I bet the people that got hit by both atomic bombs were the ones that actually dropped the bombs!

According to the address on his personal blog, he lives about 10-15 minutes away from the mall.

People should read "The Chain of Chance" by Stanislaw Lem. Coincidences that taken in isolation seem unlikely are actually pretty common in a large and complex world.

Thanks JIDF!

Thanks for this post, I was ready get on my rarely used tin foil hat, but it seems like you are right. Coincidence of the gods, yes... But he didn't film the second one (yesterday's incident I mean) so I doubt he's that "in the know" and whatever his wife is, if she's Israeli, I doubt he gets to know the "dankest hit spots in town". They treat their stuff just as secretively as the us does. And they're world class at it. Though who knows anymore, this shit has been going insane. I just pray as an atheist that if there is a god he slows all this down. It saddens me to see any innocent from any country get caught up in this shit. I'm not a globalist by any means but I think we can all agree this has to all stop at every level.

the guy lives in Munich

Source?

http://www.gutjahr.biz/en/imprint/

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That's his adress. In Munich.

And here come the coincidence theorists.

do you have a source on the wife being a Mossad agent? All I find is that she was a Knesset member.

I don't see a correlation there at all.

Do you think all US congress members work for the CIA? Or is it just the jews who are all part of a big conspiracy?

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Rule 10. Removed. 1st warning.

Travel between countries in Europe is akin to travelling across states in the US,

Seriously, this post is like saying that Violet Jessop must have been a saboteur instead of just a freak coincidence.

Uhm.. the guy lives in Munich and he was on vacation in Nice. While the latter might be seen as a strange coincidence, the former should be expected. And do you have a source on the wife being a Mossad agent? All I find is that she was a Knesset member.

Maybe that's because Wilf's Wiki page was SCRUBBED over the past few days to remove all reference of her working in Israeli intelligence?

Yeah.

That is definitely interesting. The comment for editing it out is "Fixed the mossad add from just after the terrorist attack in Munich. The are abusing it here http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3241121/pg8#57929044", though you can just check the version history and it was in there since way before the attack. Still, I don't really see what Israel could gain from this. There is a video of the gunman saying he did this because he was bullied for 7 years, making this a plausible "normal" killing spree due to mental health issues, not because of religion.

The comment for editing it out is "Fixed the mossad add from just after the terrorist attack in Munich. The are abusing it here http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3241121/pg8#57929044", though you can just check the version history and it was in there since way before the attack.

Yeah, and there are many mainstream sources that mention her service in Israeli Intelligence - Jerusalem Post and others. I cited several sources in this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4u92vi/wiki_page_of_einat_wilf_scrubbed_wife_of_richard/

Seeing that your earlier (skeptical) post has the second highest upvotes in this thread, maybe you could edit it to show that she actually DID serve in Israeli intelligence?

It would be the honorable thing to do, no?

:-)

Done.

You're a stand up fellow, Equolizer.

I tip my hat to you.

Can we get a tracker on this guy so I can stay the fuck away from wherever he is

Going to Brazil in August, better watch out

sounds about right....

Source?

Source = Speculative Schizophrenia

You're the one who's doing the clanging. I think we should be more concerned about you lol

I'd be concerned, but only if clanging wasn't cause for banging.

I remember August is Brazil olympics right. They failed to stop Brazil with the Zika Virus Scare, better watch out. The mossad are planning something BIG there.

BRICS is a serious threat to the central banking cartel.

Eh, I personally think that the Western and Eastern elite are working together at the top, and that the whole West vs East, IMF vs BRICS thing is a divide and conquer strategy, like how we are seeing the US being irreversibly divided under partisan (both controlled by the elite) lines.

Not anymore. (Well the "B" in BRICS just got back in the fold.)

I've been on watchpeopledie long enough to know that it would just be a everyday thing

This reminds me of the family of Mormons who were in Boston in 2013, in Paris twice, and in Belgium.

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Because you subscribed to it

Crazy, what are the odds of a German journalist being is Germany, and also going to France on Bastille Day?

You're crazy, that's too logical. Get off this sub.

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wasn't there a victim from the Boston Bombing who was also at another terrible event as well? You can find any reasoning with numbers, but coincidence is just that.

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was this supposed to be for me? i never downvoted you. stop being so paranoid.

Did you just reply to your own comment?

HOLY SHIT! I mentioned this very scenario in another thread in this sub over four hours ago - and when asked for "sources" called out Richard Gutjahr and his Mossadnik wife - by name.

I shit you not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4u3zg0/instagram_video_of_shooter_opening_fire_on/d5mr512

What ARE the odds?

To be fair, my original comment was a largely tongue-in-cheek speculation on who filmed the start of the attack outside McDonald's in Munich, and so far there is no indication that said person was Richard Gutjahr - but the fact that Gutjahr just happened to be present during the attacks AND was doing on-the-spot live reporting and updates is over-the-top creepy.

Creepy as fuck...

The odds are several billion to one that this is coincidence.

Just like when they were doing training drills for bombings in the exact locations where the bombings on 7/7 in London.

To me it seems like they are gearing up for something huge, the ultimate false flag, a nuke. I think they want another really big war

You can't "false flag" a nuke. Nobody wants nuclear war anyways. Nobody wins a nuclear war

I wouldn't put anything past these fuckers.

tell that to think tanks and "policy experts" who concoct first-strike scenarios and other insane warmonger bullshit for a living

you can say you don't want such things all you want, but the fact is your politicians have conversations about war, up to and including nuclear war. What do you think the "cold war" was/is?

Obviously they talk about nuclear war because they have to. I never said they don't talk about it. I said they don't want to start it. Nukes are not helpful if you're looking for world domination

Send this info to trumps Twitter.

But he lives in Munich, wasn't present at the start of the attack and went to the scene after he heard about it (from what I've seen). It doesn't even seem like that big a coincidence if that's true.

The story basically amounts to a guy who lives in Munich saw the attack in Nice and then went to the attack in Munich after it started, i'm guessing because he's a reporter.

Spent time as a CNN trainee in Washington back in '99 too. Interesting.

So CNN is actually Israeli?

That wasn't the inference I was making. CNN has served as a CIA propaganda front since its inception. Anderson Cooper has been groomed by them to be one of the point men for Operation Mockingbird. Won't be the first time Israeli intelligence agencies and the CIA have collaborated in geopolitical fuckery.

Its ramped up after the propaganda reversal was voted in

Okay, I know this is /r/conspiracy but you're going a little too tin-foiley with the Cooper claim.

Well, he always looks absolutely fantastic. He is very well groomed indeed.

its literally on wikipedia its so well known.. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Cooper#Career

https://youtu.be/gd8SdV80AL8

Check this fuckery out

Stop spreading this shit, it's been debunked: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-cnns-fake-news-broadcasts-charles-jaco-and-the-fake-live-gulf-war-reports.t1140/

The blue background is from the blue walls of the hotel they stayed at. they built a studio/stage against the outside wall of the hotel, that's why it looks like a blue screen.

This is not to mention the fact that they interviewed people during the war who would have had to flown 24 hours + back and forth from the middle east to america if the whole thing was fake.

Check this out! I will keep spreading it. One sided, government controlled station.
http://yournewswire.com/cnn-journalist-governments-pay-us-to-fake-stories-shocking-expose/ You should read this.

Wolf Blitzer is, I can tell you that much. Zionist to the bone.

Call him Zev Blitzer

CNN is the CIA's public propaganda tool. They even installed their wonder boy Anderson Cooper into CNN.

Lmao

I mean, there was the guy who survived both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts, not hard to imagine this could be a coincidence. Just saying.

Or the person who survived both the titanic and Britannic sinking.

It's not likely, but far more amazing things have happened by chance

It is likely. People here are overlooking that the Nice attack happened in a huge crowded area in a popular tourist destination during the middle of a holiday celebration. How does it not make sense for someone to be there?

In my opinion the guy would've blatantly said something about how crazy it is that he's been in both places at the time of attack, but he hasn't gone on to say anything that obvious...

Well since it was nuclear bombs that flattened the cities I don't think it's much of a coincidence when he could literally be any where in either city and be affected by the blast

I bet that guy had an Israeli wife too.

But, uh, why send the same guy, I bet there are thousands of people who would do the same... Instead of sending the same guy again.

It doesn't make sense.

Hmmmm he lives and works in Munich and was on his way home and in the area. Sure, send him home.

they have a limited pool of trained and trusted people.

thats why the same people show up at different events under different names/personas.

Elliot Rodgers / Foley's brother for example.

Adam Lanza's laughably aged baby-sitter for example, 40YO pretending to be a 27YO

They made a mistake. He went rogue.

and when asked for "sources" called out Richard Gutjahr and his Mossadnik wife - by name.

What?

can you not be a lazy fuck ? not every israeli or jew have connections with the mossad.
she was with the government at one point but nothing that was of any worth.

can you not be a lazy fuck ? not every israeli or jew have connections with the mossad.

This one has connections to Israeli Intelligence ("Mossad" being used in this case as a catch-all for Israeli spook operations)

she was with the government at one point but nothing that was of any worth.

We should take your word for that, I suppose?

Here's Richard Gutjahr's wife's Wiki page (archived because they tend to get "edited") http://archive.is/Y5O6S#selection-171.0-197.1

Einat Wilf (Hebrew: עינת וילף‎‎, born 11 December 1970) is an Israeli politician who served as a member of the Knesset for Independence and the Labor Party.

[...]

Einat Wilf was born in Jerusalem. She studied at the Hebrew University Secondary School. During her national service in the Israel Defense Forces she was an Intelligence Officer in Unit 8200, and reached the rank of lieutenant. She then went to Harvard University, receiving a BA in government and fine arts, before being awarded an MBA by INSEAD in France, and subsequently a PhD in political science at Wolfson College, University of Cambridge.

Wilf is married to German journalist and television personality Richard Gutjahr. She gave birth to their son in 2010.[1]

Wilf describes herself as a Zionist and an atheist.

Wiki on Unit 8200

Structure

Unit 8200 is the largest unit in the Israel Defense Forces, comprising several thousand soldiers.[3] It is comparable in its function to the United States' National Security Agency and is a Ministry of Defense body just as the NSA is part of the United States Department of Defense.

Subordinate to Unit 8200 is Unit Hatzav (Hebrew name for Drimia (Hebrew: יחידת חצב‎‎)), responsible for collecting OSINT intelligence. The unit monitors and collects military intelligence–related information from television, radio, newspapers, and the internet. The translation of various items accounts for part of what is termed "basic intelligence", which is collected by the units. According to media reports, the unit provides over half of the overall intelligence information for the Israeli Intelligence Community.

In depth articles on Unit 8200:

Inside Israel's Secret Startup Machine

Archive: https://archive.is/qwzz6

Unit 8200: Israel’s cyber spy agency

Archive: https://archive.is/cNJhX

Yeah, she's just a nobody who was with Unit 8200, and went on to become a member of Israel's Knesset, and even put in a bid to run for presidency of the World Jewish Congress.

well /r/conspiracy you never let me down with your stupidity.
just because they gather intel does not mean they interact with any mossad personals.

He decided to remove his photo but it's cached here: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m_LeFQt4fJAJ:https://twitter.com/gutjahr/status/756531872579059713

I don't think Unit 8200 and Mossad is the same thing even though they are Israeli Intelligence Agencies and he does live in München. Still the coincidences can only stack up so high before things become apparent.

I don't think Unit 8200 and Mossad is the same thing even though they are Israeli Intelligence Agencies

Here is an interesting article on Unit 8200 from Forbes (May 31, 2016)

Inside Israel's Secret Startup Machine

Archive: https://archive.is/qwzz6

Here's another from the Financial Times (UK), July 10, 2015

Unit 8200: Israel’s cyber spy agency

Former insiders and whistle-blowers provide a view of the formidable military intelligence outfit

Archive: https://archive.is/cNJhX

Unit 8200 is bizarre in that it connects military, intelligence and corporations worldwide into a little web - the hub of which is Israel and Unit 8200.

No doubt they are using these connections to get their fingers (and moles/industrial spies) into every facet of business and technology worldwide.

A plot straight out of James Bond

A plot straight out of James Bond

Hollywood movies and TV shows are predictive programming. They show everyone what they're doing or are going to do in the future.

Or people get ideas from movies and televisions shows and create products or movies/TV learn about products being designed. Or you know multiple people just have similar ideas.

Yeah check out that Arthur c Clarke guy, what an evil genius

Maybe the other major powers might someday do the same thing.

Maybe they're just better at hiding.

why are the cops all standing together? isn't that bad combat tactics? in infantry combat isnt it called enfilade or something?

you're all lined up bunched together. enemy shooters miss 1 guy but hit the other ppl near him.

He removed the picture because police had been saying DO not make photos of police officers - in a recent tweet he even apologized that he should have learned from his past mistakes

jewgle deleted the cached content now too

Dude lives in Munich, and was a reporter in Nice.

Also, why would Mossad want to fake a 18 year old high shool dropout going crazy and shooting people? Why would anyone want to fake that?

Narrative.

1.4 m people in Munich and over 300km squared. What are the odds? What if he turns up again? I'm ok with coincidences, nuclear bombs( to be fair,it does have a pretty big blast area and he was Japanese) etc, struck by lightning twice etc but to be in the same place as this? Lone crazy gunman not a full scale attack that may have been warned about. I have absolutely no idea what it proves or suggests tho.

It's all just a coincidence goy. It's always a coincidence.

This is just what the JIDF wants you to think.

Re sandy hook.

A German reporter sent to Nice for what exactly? To report on the sunshine and the tide? Nice is very much about the beach and casinos.

About the UEFA European Football Championship? There were several games in Nice. And it was french national holiday. Plenty of reasons I think.

So is he a football correspondent? There were stadiums all over France in which matches were being played. He could have been reporting on the football in Bordeaux, Paris, Lille, Lyon. But by coincidence, it was Nice.

Nice is nice so yeah

He was on vacation.

ISIS loves publicity. It's plausible that they've been informing him of when and where attacks will take place, and that he has been turning up to film them instead of informing the authorities.

This most recent guy does not seem to have been ISIS. He's Iranian/German. Iran is Shi'ia and ISIS is Sunni, and the guy was born in Germany anyway. He seems to be more like a school shooter than a islamic terrorist

Because they can!

That doesn't make sense.

Welcome to /r/conspiracy.

Fair enough...

Why not

If he filmed the second video it would turn my head, but he was just in the vicinity.

Nice is a vacation destination and he's originally from Munich. Low probability sure, but not astronomically low.

Can we get someone that's actually from Munich up in here? Like if this happened at Munich's equivalent of Alexanderplatz then it's not that shocking that he'd be there, considering that what happened in Nice also happened at a prominent, popular location.

We also have other examples of multiple wrong-place-wrong-time dudes, like that guy who survived Hiroshima then went home to Nagasaki.

I don't know, being in two different cities randomly chosen isn't that rare but being in the exact two that there were terrorist attacks (close together in time as well) is pretty unlikely. Witnessing both of them...? That's pretty astronomical.

The point here is to compare the probability of being in both attacks by chance, versus the probability of being there cause he had some information of the attacks beforehand.

Occam's razor tell's me that the second one is more likely.

Actually Occam's razor says the first is more likely as it is by far the simpler answer.

Sure, and he removed the photo of the attacks from his twitter feed because?

The photo that shows a bunch of cops gathering up outside the mall? Because it could give information about police movements and numbers to the attacker so the police asked him to take it down. Seems like a pretty reasonable explanation to me. Im not sure how the conspiracy would have benefited by him taking it down.

Because it could give information about police movements and numbers to the attacker so the police asked him to take it down.

Yeah, attackers on terrorism events are reading twitter on their smartphone (making searches with hashtags and shit) while holding a rifle and shooting to people, to know where the police were 20 minutes ago.

Seems like a pretty reasonable explanation to me. Im not sure how the conspiracy would have benefited by him taking it down.

Yeah, you can't see how hiding some proof that could point to some conspiracy could benefit to a conspiracy. Sure. Oh, look, his wife link to Israeli intelligence has been just removed from wikipedia. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4u92vi/wiki_page_of_einat_wilf_scrubbed_wife_of_richard/

What about the photo points to a conspiracy?

Not as unlikely as you'd think considering he lives in Munich...

And the Nice attack was on their equivalent of the 4th of July at a big celebration.

France is huge. He happened to be in Nice. Not Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Lille, St Tropez, Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse etc....

If by huge you mean less that 80% the size of Texas. Nice is the 5th most populous city. Munich is also the major German city closest to Nice.

By huge I mean five times the size of England. Texas isn't in Europe.

And sure, Nice and Munich are practically walking distance. If you walk through Monaco, Italy, Switzerland and Austria.

France is less than 3 times as big as England. England is about the size of Oregon, France smaller than Texas.

Less than an 8 hour driver and less than an 1.5 hour flight. Who cares if you have to cross a couple borders, its not like you have to go through the entire countries.

I live in Northern Minnesota, it would be farther for me to drive to Milwaukee or Chicago, things people here do all the time. It would take me more than twice as long to fly to either place.

Size of France = 643,801km2. Size of England = 130,395km2. 643801/130395= 4.94.

Size of England

Sorry I must have used the numbers for the UK. Still don't know why your reference is anything larger than part of an Island is huge.

He could have been anywhere in the world, anywhere in Europe, anywhere in France. He happened to be exactly where a terrorist attack was taking place, twice in a week.

It could be a coincidence. It looks suspicious to me though.

I can understand my other posts in this thread being downvoted by people who are sceptical. This one has nothing but factually correct information. It begs the question, who exactly is downvoting and why? Edit: my post above had -5 score at the time of posting this one.

A lot of people from all over Europe go to Nice for Bastille day. A buddy of mine from England was there too - the attack happened outside his hotel. It's not so unusual.

He was in nice because there was a big celebration he wanted to report about. No conspiracy here.

You do realize Munich isn't just a small town, right?

Reminds me of ICTS being responsible for security at almost every alleged Muslim attack where perps were allowed to pass through security and/or the CCTV footage is never recovered.

Are those the guys handling security at the Rio Olympics?

There's supposed to be an Israeli security firm (Mossad front) handling the "security" in Rio.

ISDS is another front, and Brazil kicked them out along with an Israeli ambassador for being an illegal settler. Then their image turned to shit in the MSM and both Al Qaeda and ISIS are alleged to be threatening attacks.

Ever since Brazil joined that "monetary union", they've just had the worst "luck", eh?

And ever since France acknowledged Palestine as a state they've been down shit's creek without a paddle as well.

This. I'm always reminding to people to think about when it all started.

Sweden did this too, we are not getting bombed (yet).

Allegedly getting raped though.

There is no "rape crisis" in Sweden. This is some commentary I have saved on the subject:

There are a number of issues at play in the statistics.

First of all, the stats regarding immigrant rape haven't been published since 1996 (source) so I would be interested to know what your sources are.

Rape is also reported differently in Sweden compared to other European countries, there are 3 main reasons for this are, statistical, legal, and substantive factors. Source

The combined effect of this makes it safe to contend that the Swedish rape statistics constitute an 'over-reporting' relative to the European average. source.

Sweden has had the highest number of reported rapes since the 90s. I linked you that earlier, this was long before the refugee crisis and is due to how they record and classify sexual crimes.

Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

First of all, the stats regarding immigrant rape haven't been published since 1996 (source) so I would be interested to know what your sources are.

i believe i read that sweden doesn't even track crimes by race any more... that could be a reason if true

Fucking this.

Two months after Bibi said that the Hebdo attacks happened.

Sweden also recognized Palestine and bad things happen there too. HMMMM....

COHENcidence??!

Countries that are more friendly towards muslims and muslim immigrants are more likely to have muslims in them. Must be the fault of Israel

Actually if an Israeli security firm is on the job in Rio, then nothing's going to happen. It's like paying for protection money from the mob. "Nice Olympics you're planning to have there, be a shame is something happened to it!"

Or Israeli happens to have a lot of experience fighting terrorism and don't play the politically correctness over security game as much.

Or both.

Remind Me! August 21st

We'll see if there was an attack in a month.

What are the odds a German reporter was at an event in France and lived near a mall in Munich?

Not unreasonable

German journalist

German journalist

Nice

There was a celebration there... Of course he would be there

Of course every German journalist was at Bastille festivities in Nice at that time. Of fucking course.

Is it, honestly, that hard to believe? Really?

A journalist from one of the largest, most important cities in Germany goes to visit one largest, most important cities in France during a National Holiday, and then returns home. It's not as if it was a swarm of journalists, or that the guy was from Bumfuck, Germany visiting Nowheresville, France.

What about that scenario is strange or hard to comprehend? There are probably dozens if not hundreds of people who live in Munich that were in Nice at the time. It's just that this guy is a journalist and the others weren't.

To put it in perspective:

I live in Los Angeles. I am a Journalist and Videographer so I'm always video journaling or keeping note of what's going on around me.

I decide to go to New York for the Macy's Day Parade. Of course I'll be filming because I'm a journalist.

BOOM mass shooting. I get everything on film, because I know where most of the population will be because I did research. I didn't expect a tragedy, but because I did my homework I knew where everyone would congregate - just like a terrorist would.

Okay, so I go back home after a week or so because I need to do some work. One day I end up in a heavily populated area because it's a hub for whatever I need for the day as with everyone else.

BOOM mass shooting, again. I get everything on film, because I am in a heavily populated area being that it's a hub for everything I need.

It's honestly not that far-fetched.

Actually, the second video wasn't filmed by him.

He was just in the vicinity.

If it were both videos on the exact time the attacks happen it would be a legit consipracy and cosmically low percentage for sure, but he didn't even take the second video. He was just in the area.

Thank you for putting this coincidence and its chance of happening a little more into perspective. Most people in this thread are going absolutely nuts and are heavily jumping to conclusions. Honestly, sometimes I feel like this behaviour of the /r/conspiracy readers can be more harming than the good they do through informing people.

My bad I missed that final sentence I think we're in agreement. Still LA to New York is a not so good example maybe LA to somewhere in Northern California is closer in distance

Lol, I was wondering. It's kind of an exaggeration, but the US is big so I had to use big, similar cities.

My morning cereal does talk to me sometimes, though... 😉

Except you didn't film the shooting in LA, you were just somewhere nearby and heard about it, so you went there.

The distance between Nice and Munich is not as far as your example, not close at all really. But you seem convinced already so get your numerology adding grid out and star making sevens nines and ones appear in your Cheerios on the day before any event happens and spread the gospel of truth. Who is really behinds all this? Kellogg's of course!

But Bastille day is celebrated all over France? Wouldn't you be in Paris or Marseille? What was so important about Nice? Also, was he in Turkey? Because that was coming to a head by as a top journalist he wasn't there? Apologise in advance if A: Nice is the main city to celebrate for historic reasons. B: if he was in Turkey.

what you describe isn't that unusual though the probabilities aren't as high as you say because Nice isn't that important. But taking into account that he was very close to both incidents it becomes much, much more unusual.

Not to mention that Munich is the closest major German city to Nice.

Check this out: France Nice Truck Attack Video Owner Richard Gutjahr's Wife is Israel Politician & ex-Mossad Agent

My God, is that fucked. Are they that stupid? Or are they providing us with some form of Revelation of Method? This is literally one of the biggest tipping of their hand yet in all the FFs. I think the hubris is so thick now, they're rubbing our noses in it, and couldn't give two fucks - cuz they runnin' the show.

Has to be revelation of the method. At this point every attack has these glaring flaws that cannot be anything other than revelation. These events are the result of collusion of trillionaires, you think that if they wanted to write a convincing story they couldn't? They're sucking on purpose -- this shit is even worse storytelling than the bullshit Hollywood has to offer. They're fucking up on purpose, practically begging for someone to call them out.

Do you have any understanding of the purpose of the method being revealed?

Honestly, from what I can glean from my hours and hours of research is that there is a sort of ritualistic intent when it comes to the revelation of method. I believe they have some sort of pact or code of conduct that states that it is only okay to rule over the people if you let them know it. If the masses cannot figure it out, then at least they have done their part, they have "played fair". So they give hints. By they, I mean the intelligence agencies of course. Intelligence is just so entrenched in every aspect of it. There are so many layers too, and I think that intelligence is so clearly safe from any push-back that they probably see it as playing with their food. Many of these people are sadists and it probably gives them some sick pleasure. This is really the only logical reasoning I can conclude behind the many strategies of revelation they employ. But really, your guess is as good as mine. I'd be lying if I told you I was sure one way or another.

from what I can glean from my hours and hours of research is that there is a sort of ritualistic intent when it comes to the revelation of method. I believe they have some sort of pact or code of conduct that states that it is only okay to rule over the people if you let them know it. If the masses cannot figure it out, then at least they have done their part, they have "played fair". So they give hints.

I see you grasping for answers just like I have. This is one area of research into the way they rule which can really go off the deep end quite easily. Satanic rituals run by the power elite? That's crazy!

I tend towards your way of thinking, that what you call Revelation of Method is a psychological trick. I have three different theories regarding it, which are not necessarily mutually exclusive, all or none may be true.

1) Revealing intent and method is a means to reassure lower-level operatives that their consciences are clear because "consent" was given by the victim(s). In this scenario, the giveaways are intended to manipulate persons who serve the power elite, and not the power elite themselves, nor the victims.

2) Revealing intent and method is a means to assuage whatever conscience remains in the power elite themselves. I think for many of them, their role in the world is somewhat distasteful, and doesn't come as easily or naturally as we might assume. It's their point of view, shared by their peers, that they have a responsibility to a wider culture, race, organization, nation, or whatever "transcendent" collective they are beholden / loyal to, and that in order to carry out their responsibility to the collective, they must commit awful deeds. The ritual of revealing method and intent is a self-directed trick, which has been passed down from generation to generation inside the ruling circles.

3) Revealing intent and method is a means by which the victims are dehumanised, degraded, and devalued. This delights the psychopathic elite who despises men who are "below" him and who are incapable of the lawless viciousness which is his way of life. It fuels his fire, so to speak.

Most likely, the traditions of the ruling elites originated with the psychopath-type referenced in paragraph (3) above, and they begain ruling with the cooperation of those described in paragraphs (2) and (1). All three dynamics are simultaneously active, each targeting a different portion of the ruling and enforcer classes of society.

Here is another theory : "Mega-rituals are often preceded by 'clues' in mass media, warning or preparing the victims (and the world) for what's coming. If after being warned, victims go on by their own free will, then the puppeteers are liberated from karmic responsibility"

Unfortunately, that's one rabbit hole even conspiracy connoisseurs are afraid to dive into and the establishment knows that very well. Religion and government are the two pillars of mind control. You think they won't pay attention to the former as much as the latter? I don't think so. An open minded investigation of esoteric truths is imperative in deconstructing the playbook of those involved in the great game.

Dude... What [5]

Testing to see what they can get away with.

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Well that was quick. Now it is just one suicidal shooter.

I'm not saying there weren't multiple shooters but multiple shooters being reported and then later being revised to one is very common. The last stat I saw was something like 85% of active shooter incidences initially report multiple shooters even though less than 10% turn out that way. Again, this very well could have been multiple people and this dude being there is suspicious as fuk, but when real people are involved even a false flag event can't be 100% controlled.

1 or 3 is the least of my concern to be honest with you mate, the whole plausability of the narrative and the way evidences of what happened are hidden is what concern me the most.

Agreed, just been following a few of the threads and several people are latching onto the 3 vs 1 thing. Early "facts" are very fluid due to the chaos of the event. Just because a fact changes doesn't mean it is specifically part of the agenda even if the event as a whole is staged or planned.

And why do you believe that statistic, exactly?

Far too many to all be false flags. And even if they are skewed, the number of shooters changing isn't overly suspicious.

Well that was quick. Now it is just one suicidal shooter.

Heh, called that one too. 6 hours ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4u3zg0/instagram_video_of_shooter_opening_fire_on/d5ms4i0

I'm on a roll today, lol!

Why would a terrorist commit suicide? There was no reason for him to ...crazy

You're assuming a terrorist is reasonable?

I am assuming a terrorist would do what he set out to do and not kill himself when it didn't look like he was really in danger of being caught. Or was he? It didn't sound like it to me. Surely he wasn't that he was remorseful...But all that is assuming this isn't all misinformation/fake or something.

They commit suicide all the time, I'd say it's their MO. So I guess it was actually reasonable to assume he would

But normally its a suicide attack right? Not just simply offing themselves. It just seems too convenient. Shooter found dead, so the threat is over and cant be questioned/tried.

It typically is a suicide attack, just not in the way you seem to be thinking of it (like with a suicide vest or a car bomb if I'm following you correctly).

It's more like a suicide-by-cop scenario. More often than not, spree killers want to die yet want to take people down with them, likely because of some grudge they have towards society.

Yep. Too convenient. Seeing as he was happy to argue about who he was and what he was doing to other people. I read that he had treatment for some mental disorder at some time. Either this was set up with suicide the end game or possible taken out by someone else . Dead men tell no lies.

Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about suicide bombers.

You're right, in 9/11 they all jumped out of the planes before they hit the buildings. The suicide bombers had a manikin walk into whatever and blow themselves up. No religion tells their followers that they will go to heaven for following what they say. /s

I think I should have explained better, its not solely that he committed suicide, but that it served no purpose based on what he obviously set out to do. I could understand committing suicide if surrounded by cops or in a shoot out or with a vest in a crowd. I just dont understand why he would do it for no reason. It leads me to believe its just tying up loose ends to find him dead.

Not knowing what happened when/if he did commit suicide makes it extremely hard to say. He might have been cornered or felt he had no way out. I find it extremely hard to understand the thinking of someone who goes to a location just to kill people that he has no connection to.

Seems to be the story lately. There were three shooters...nope just one and he shot himself...or was blown up by a robot.

On the live thread, they even put up a "helpful" graphic that "reminded" people that most often, there is only one shooter.

That and on the same live thread, there were multiple entries that described multiple shooters.

Same false flag bullshit. It's getting entirely too predictable, this whole "race/religious" war tripe.

what about the video of the two gunmen walking through the mall? has that been explained yet?

Plain clothes officers

thanks

USA! USA! USA!!!

'Murikah!!!11

Support our troops!

Its quite interesting how when Germany is attacked people rarely die and when they do the number is much smaller than it could have been. No deaths at the theater or train attack...only 9 this time? Wasn't there multiple shootings in different areas that were quite far apart too? Now just one shooter? Add that to the same reporter being in the right place...fishy big time!

train attack

It's not easy to kill people with an axe in a cramped train. Much harder than using a gun anyway.

only 9 this time

Killing 9 people is quite a lot actually, not a lot of spree shooters kill more.

Wasn't there multiple shootings in different areas that were quite far apart too

There was some panic in other places of Munich but police is saying it was just that, panicking people. Reports of multiple shooters were probably people not familiar with guns (nearly all Germans) unable to locate the shots.

The journalist doing journalism in two neighboring European countries isn't fishy either.

Do you have any type of theory on why the elite want less casualties in German terror attacks?

No I do not, it is just a trend I noticed. I just thought it was worth mentioning in case someone else noticed it too.

If there is a group of elite that run the world, or have immense power, or any of a dozen other things they could conceivably be doing it is certainly a reasonable assumption that they could be headquartered, or to some large degree operate out of Europe. (If I were trying to control the world I'd start in Europe.)

The reasons for this are plentiful, but to name just a few: 1.The treaties and agreements between EU members allow for quick and easy travel from nation to nation. 2. The economies are predictable and interwoven with each other. 3. It's geographically perfect for clandestine activities worldwide.

So assuming this group is actually operating out of Europe, the list of candidates for a primary operations center or headquarters would be fairly small. Germany would likely be very high on this list I would imagine.

That's just one plausible theory anyway.

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Thank you for the detailed and thought provoking response. It does make sense

God damn lizzard people controlling europe and shit.

Here, in the video about the Nice attack you can clearly hear his colleague say he was right there at that start by coincidence (in German):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBhFTxa6l7M

I'm looking for proof that he was right there when it happened in Munich too. There are interviews with him about the attack and he twittered a photo that he apparently removed to not make the work of the police more difficult.

I want proof that he was right there when in happened. That would be very, very coincidental. Anyone that speaks German can show me to an interview where he clearly states that he was there?

edit: Do I understand correctly that he arrived later on the scene, just 20 minutes before this interview? https://youtu.be/_lgBhtb4DR4?t=2m.

So he didn't actually film the shooting, like many conspiracy videos out there are saying. And neither was he there when the shooting started. Disappointed again in "truthers". I'm not saying there isn't possibly a story to this, but people committing to facts would actually make conspiracy theories much more believable to the general public.

So what are the odds that someone witnessed an attack and travelled to another attack and arrived shortly after it as a journalist? Well, much, much greater than witnessing two attacks.

Why would removing a picture help the police? Surely it would help to see it?

The police asked the public multiple times not to post info about police activity. His photo showed policemen.

He removed a picture of the police location.

Ah yes, I'm sure the new world order carefully planned all the attacks, but gosh darnit, they only had one cameraman since the other cameraman, Bob, was on vacation abroad.

Oh well

A high school drop out that got bullied is surely the final nail in the coffin for freedom! God damn NWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there aren't really 'final nails'

but one might think it odd how major world governments that spy heavily on everyone, and even when warned of or know of people with direct contact with known terrorist leaders abroad, have 0 idea these things are going to happen

must just be a coincidence i guess

because you over estimate the government capabilities. If you seriously think they know what everyone is doing, saying and feeling then you're obviously crazy. Metadata isn't even specific. Also, this was an unplanned random attack. He wasn't planning it with a group, didn't speak to anyone about it either. Plus, the government stops plenty of crimes happening. You just don't hear about them usually for the sake of national security.

i'm not talking about this attack in specific, we don't know much about it yet. but other previous ones in the US and EU, where their own govt agencies or foreign ones have warned of these people, where they had proof these people were meeting with known terrorists, where they were already surveilling them to some degree. hell, in the case of the orlando shooter, where they already knew he was a potential problem, they got warnings from a gun store that a really sketchy guy was in here trying to buy body armor. i'm not sure if they reported him by name, but don't be so sure your govt has your best interest at heart because history has shown time and time again, globally, that this is not the case many times.

the govt stops plenty of crimes, but they toot their horn about many of them to increase funding and public perception of what they are doing.

A journalist who lives in Munich was in France for Bastille Day? That's impossible. Must be a conspiracy.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when they were bombed, surviving both times.

Violet Jessop survived the sinkings of the Titanic, the Britannic, and the Olympic.

Things like this aren't unheard of. There are over 7 billion people on this planet, so it's not that unusual that something with incredibly low odds happened. I'm not gonna say there isn't more to this story, but just the fact that it happened isn't enough to claim a conspiracy.

Violet Jessop

could be a serial liar

Violet Jessop survived the sinkings of the Titanic, the Britannic, and the Olympic.

Except the RMS Olympic didn't sink and was never in any danger of sinking. It did have a big hole put in it by HMS Hawke, I grant you, but still.

Apples and Oranges. Merely being in the two cities at the same time as the nuclear events is not important.

What is important is that this journalist was at the EXACT LOCATIONS of very short lived terrorist events AS THEY HAPPENED.

That is orders of magnitude more significant than being inside a city of a nuclear attack which covers dozens of square miles.

I'm not so sure, considering terrorist attacks happen much more frequently than cities getting bombed with nuclear devices

Another example of how absolutely shitty this sub has gotten

Jidf, plz.

Here's the same guy when he was a tourist in NYC....

http://i.imgur.com/jgfGBON.jpg

What is this?

Photoshop. Google it. He's known as tourist guy for this pic

I'm not doing that shill.

Lol what

This thread was on the frontpage so I read through it. I swear buddy, we don't belong here. I could make a huge fucking meme chart with all the bullshit that people wirte here x) Probability is high that in their narrative photoshop is an accidentally leaked propaganda software developed by the mossad or something. Financed by a Rothschild and used to cover up Bin Laden's CIA membership. And I wouldn't even be surprised if what I just wrote would've been written somewhere before.

Basically, if it's mainstream, then it's evil, scripted, propaganda, and "the matrix".

How did you get that from me not wanting to be told to use a specific search engine?

Wait, I'm a shill because I mentioned a specific search engine? Lmao dude I don't care what search engine you use. That one just happens to be commonly used as a verb. Yahoo it. Ask Jeeves that shit. Fuck it bro see if dogpile is still a site. Christ dude

Welcome to /r/conspiracy.

I didn't mean specifically you, but the accumulation of phrases and connections people put in this thread. Shill just triggered it.

That friend is the beauty of the 2nd amendment; triggers for everyone.

Nah you're right. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of interesting things in this sub, but calling me a shill for using an extremely common phrase kind of just lends evidence to what you're saying. Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are a million shills on here name dropping products everyday, but the particular thing I said is already a common phrase (like band aid is substituted for bandage, or Kleenex for tissue). And no I don't just happen to conveniently be a shill for those companies too lol

Is this for real?

No...you've just been to the dentist.

She was Signit Officer in Unit 8200, which is IDF not Mossad. And he is actually a member of the editorship of bavarian TV. Since its very central its not unlikely he was there very fast. Same with Nice the boulevard de anglais is THE main tourist spot with a lot of good hotels looking towards it. I find it far more interesting how a 18 year old fuck up could gfet hold of a live magazine holding more than 20 rounds, since they are illegal and hard to get in germany..

But apparently gun control works to keep arms out of the hands of criminals...aha aha ahahahahaha!!!!

This was the case with multiple people before, like a man who was both at Paris last year and then Brussels later (and I think he was somewhere else too). He even gave interviews to newspapers on this, claiming he was at those places due to business and always got lucky not to get hurt.

Yeah... lucky... sure.

Also there were pictures of the same 'Rabbi'/Orthodox jewish men being posted that were on pictures before and after the attacks at those places, who were never hurt in any way and seemed somewhat calm and left the scene in subsequent pictures.

Check this out: France Nice Truck Attack Video Owner Richard Gutjahr's Wife is Israel Politician & ex-Mossad Agent

Purely coincidental. Nothing to see here. Move along.

He was just in Paris. And still in France doing mission work. So religious tourism. Makes sense he'd be at a large festival in that country. That's like being in Philly during a shooting around Christmas and then being in new York city during new years and being blown up near time square. Not far fetched. I've seen people I know from home in a foreign country because we were both at a tourist attraction but didn't know.

or imagine that on 7/7 they were doing drills about train bombings and then wouldn't ya know it all of a sudden unexpectedly there were real train bombs going off. I guess that kind of stuff really happens.

edit: trains, not buses.

You would think the chances are one in billions, but apparently this shit happens. Hell, they were doing drills for hijacked airplanes on 9/11.

😂👍🏻

You just can't explain it!

Nick Pugh says it can happen.

Like the tide ... :/

London train bombings, not bus

my bad.

Or think back to Bahston. Hmmm. Bomb drills and them bombs go off? Yea not buying it.

Yep. Boston was fake as fuck.

This man survived two tsunamis, first the one in Indonesia in 2004, then the one in Japan.

This woman survived the sinking of the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic, as well as an accident on a third ship, the Olympic.

This couple survived 6 separate disasters on their honeymoon.

This man survived the Boston bombings, Paris attack, and the Brussels attack.

This man survived 9/11 and the Paris attacks.

Roy Sullivan was struck by lightning 7 separate times and survived them all.

This family survived the Haiti earthquake, moved to Chile, and then survived their earthquake.

This couple survived 9/11, the 2005 London bombings, and the Mumbai bombings.

Mark Weingard survived 9/11, the Bali bombings(though his fiancee was killed), and the 2004 tsunami.

So yeah, people experience multiple disasters all the time.

Just shows that the simulation they are running isn't perfect and prone to glitching out.

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hari Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

...strange.

It's like France and Germany are both apart of some Union of states in Europe..... And he is able to travel to a festival in France and then back to Germany easily like that union of states in Europe has some kind of agreement that allows such things to happen. It's also like he's some kind of journalist who would think of filming events like this......or something. But Munich is such a small town in Germany the odds that he would be there are so slim and something horrible happening in Munich is unheard of being such a small town. hmmmm .....strange indeed.

"apart"

What's stranger to me is the amount of people blowing this off as "oh obviously this would have happened."

Are you people fucking crazy right now? Sure, there's like a .0000001% chance this might have happened, but to blow it off as something we should just assume as normal is ridiculous.

Not only was the guy in both places, but he also filmed the START of each event. Do you know how many journalists are traveling all about Europe and are in the same places, and yet this guy is the only one to capture it?

With your nonchalant attitude on how this is so obviously common, there should be at least 50 other circumstances to compare this to.

but he also filmed the START of each event.

No he didn't. He filmed the start of the first, he was just around the second. The footage from the second event was filmed by someone else.

The second video is not his. He did not film the start of the second event, he was merely in the area. Seeing as how he lives in Munich, that's really nothing to get up in arms about. Stop trying to make a conspiracy out of nothing.

Man shut the fuck up. We're talking about this dude being in 2 very precise spots on earth at very precise times. The odds are absolutely fucking ridiculous. This is more than coincidence. I sincerely hope you don't believe what you're saying. You'd have to be pretty goddamned stupid.

He was in Nice on France's national holiday, watching the celebration while he was on vacation. That's not unusual at all. The attack in Nice was so effective because many people were there, among them obviously journalists. He is working and living in Munich, so it's likely he would be in Munich most of the time. He wasn't there when the attack in Munich happened, he just went there when he heard it happened, doing his job as a journalist. I don't get what's supposed to be strange here.

Great, he was in the two cities. Awesome.

But he just happens to be at the precise spot (ground zero) both times? The odds go from 100:1 to 1,000,000:1. Don't you people understand this?

He wasn't there when the attack in Munich happened,

Then who recorded it? What the hell is this thread about then?

He was not at ground zero both times. He was near ground zero in Nice, filming national holiday celebrations from his hotel balcony. He was not at ground zero in Munich but drove there when he heard it. He did not take the Munich video. This thread is about unfounded paranoia and antisemitism.

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You fucking idiots don't even know what that word means

The accusation against his wife is solely based on her nationality. This wouldn't be even worthy of discussion besides her alleged Mossad affiliation and the implicit premise that the terror attack and the shooting spree were false flag attacks coordinated by Israel for some goal. Only that there is no evidence really.

My religion is balance. And you motherfuckers are heathens in that regard.

You don't seem balanced to me and it's clear you are an antisemite. That doesn't really offend me, though. I'm not Jewish, just a random German person that got involved in this thread because people are making up stuff because they really want to see false flags everywhere.

His wife is fucking Israeli intelligence, are you dense or what?

And no, Im not anti semite. I'm cool with arabs.

Learn your words if you're going to use them. I thought you people were 'genetically more intelligent". FOH

Her having been in an intelligence agency would have not been singled out if it weren't the Israelis. This is getting upvoted because of "The Jews did this". Also you seem to have no understanding what antisemitism means. I recommend a dictionary. Also I'm not a Jew. Not everybody who thinks Jew hating is stupid is a Jew.

Guy, its YOU who doesn't know what antisemitism means.

It wouldn't be singled out if it weren't the Israelis... Well NO SHIT, that would be because Israel is behind all of this false flag bullshit. All of these corruption roads lead back to that one place.

You think its 'racism' or 'anti-religion' or shudders 'anti-semitism'??? That's why we keep pointing the finger at them? Not because we have evidence upon evidence... I don't even know why Im wasting my time with you. You're one hardheaded fuck. You know that?

If you had your way, no one would be allowed to criticize Israel and we'd all get railroaded by them. And you'd sit there blaming whatever they told you to blame for your problems while they bleed you dry.

You said you weren't even Jewish, and that you're actually German. Right. I believe that. Totally. You just happen to be German. So now you're showing me that even someone from the country that killed '6 million' of them can see them a certain way, without prejudice. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING? LOL You're so full of shit.

I'm done wasting my time with you. Enjoy your confusion.

Oh don't pick on the poor Jews, they're so fragile and helpless. Give me a fucking break. This is how they fuck you.

Rule 10 my man. You've already been given plenty of warnings.

Show your work.

...what are you doing out of /r/patriots

I occasionally venture out.

Reminds me of ol' Stephen Barton from Sandy Hook who was a "victim" of Aurora. Now (and probably always has been) working for Bloomberg's Mayors Against Ill Guns.

" The props manager who was responsible for the "Dark Knight" map has been discovered. He cannot comment on the map, because he died a mysterious death at around 47 years of age... from 'non life threatening' injuries. His death was caused by the daughter of a United Nations 'New Canaan" committee member (New Canaan being an obvious reference to the Canaanite-Khazar direction of the UN at the behest of the Black Nobility"

This guy seems completely credible and not at all crazy.

That's not a coincidence.

GREATER ISRAEL PLAN. The West is fighting Israels war for it. Making us hate the Muslims while the primary source of our nations destruction is the usury banking system which is primarily Jewish.

Look at the ethnoreligiousnationality of the people who have pushed immigration on the west. Look at Israels purely ethnic based immigration scheme.

This should not be surprising. This is the norm for at least a hundred years now. Hopefully people will start waking up when they realise Trump is bought and paid by the Israeli lobby and Fracking Industry.

Cant wait for the water wars in 2020s.

AND he's married to a Mossad agent?

This kind of shit would never work in a fiction novel or movie. It's just too ridiculous.

Now that we've established that he is a mossad agent take a look at his YouTube front page video.

Holy James Bond theme people.

Then you know that theory that the same construction company that allegably planted the thermite used in 9/11 is doing work on the capital dome? Nice shot @ 0:45

Then you know that theory that the same construction company that allegably planted the thermite used in 9/11 is doing work on the capital dome? Nice shot @ 0:45

Interesting ... Nice catch.

hes also got a video in orlando...

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2016/03/24/19-year-old-boy-has-survived-3-terrorist-attacks/

Strategy of tension

The odds of it being a coincidence seem much higher than the odds of him being a spy who is stupid enough to blow his cover like this.

You say that but... What would it matter if he was a spy or agent of some sort? Who would care? Reddit would circle jerk for a while before moving on, no one would bother him and even if it was true, who would believe you? Down the pub I tell my friend this story and he says " a spy? Fuck me, it's all a conspiracy we are all gonna die anyway, mines a pint" Or.. "A spy? Fuck off you twat, you read too much, mines a pint."

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Israel really needs some freedom and independence.

LOL

Its scary when you don't know if its real or a false flag. With terrorism they have a perfect boogy man, we will never know. Its all 1984 shit. The things that worries me is how these people live with themselves afterwards. Either they are athiest, don't believe in a moral divine, know some elite secret, think they know an elite secret or something else.

Kinda explains why France authorities want to delete all footage of the Nice attack. People might connect more dots.

I think this thread is a nice, concise example of the problem with conspiracy theories, and gives a good explanation of why you aren't taken seriously.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that what you say is true, and Gutjahr's wife is a Mossad agent. Let's assume also that Gutjahr himself is a Mossad agent. From this, you seem to deduce that the official story for both events is untrue and that Gutjahr was somehow involved in the conspiracy. This is ridiculous. Let's go with the most charitable conspiracy theory - that the media's representation of events was true (ISIS sympathiser in Nice, lone gunman in Munich) but that Gutjahr knew of the events beforehand and attended both in the knowledge they would happen. Why on earth, being privy to this through his Mossad connections, would an agent then turn up to both events and make it public knowledge that he was at both events? Are we supposed to believe that these dark forces are clever and cunning enough to allow these events to happen unimpeded, or even set up the events themselves, but then so short-sighted that they allow an agent, or the husband of an agent, to attend both and then give interviews on them?

A bare minimum of reflection on what it is you're implying ought to be enough to tell you how ridiculous you're being.

This is all theater. Israelis are the best actors.

conspiracy is real.

I am pretty sure everyone here spreading the idea that it is just a coincidence is likely on the agenda

It defies common sense.

What Are The Odds??

those would be known as "impossible odds"

Yes, who could imagine that a person who lives in Munich could be in Munich a mere week after being in a popular Mediterranean holiday spot an entire whole 370 miles away in the middle of the summer.

During one of the largest holidays in that country.

Never tell me the odds!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

Next they will tell me that the guns were from "fast and furious" as well.

Nice find, its so inconspicuous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3505243/It-s-blessing-God-s-alive-American-Mormon-injured-brush-terrorism-Brussels-surviving-Boston-bombing-Paris-attacks.html

I wouldn't be surprised if it was him that "predicted" and recorded the shooting in the mall, because the person who recorded was recording before the shooting started.

No, definitely not. The guy who was filming speaks in a kind of German Turkish slang.

Thats not really turkish slang and the shooting started in the building, this doesnt show the start of the shooting it shows a later part.

The guy filming says "ey wie krank is'n des“. He's definitely a migrant guy whose parents come from turkey.

It's definitely not Richard Gutjahr

That sounds bavarian and not turkish.

I know right? What are the odds that somone could be at 2 major events in 2 popular cities? What I think you are forgetting is that it's European culture to travel to other countries since its so easy compared to the states. For some people it's almost a hobby to travel within the EU. So while it's interesting, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy

So while it's interesting, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy

I understand where you are coming from, but in the interest of precision (not trying to nitpick here) I want to mention a few points.

If it is true, then it is a conspiracy. It is either a conspiracy or a coincidence, at this point we cant be sure. Currently it is a theory, a conspiracy theory. Which may or may not be true.

If anything , I believe it's a nazi conspiracy. Create these attacks to get germans all hyped up and pissed. When this happend, most people I knew were pissed off that this happend. Create enough of these attacks here on german soil and germans will get fed up and fight back

http://tomatobubble.com/nice_france_terror_hoax.html#.V4mY6n9aCBo.facebook

I love conspiracy theory but sometimes coincidences are just that. My university flatmate was on holiday in the US in August/September 2001 and was just getting out of a taxi at WTC on 9/11. Very harrowing photos. Flash forward a few years, we'd finished uni and he was now a police officer and on duty at one of the sites where the 7/7 bombers attacked London.

Nice, France and Munich, Germany are big places. In case anyone was wondering. The probability that one same person was "lucky" enough to randomly film both "events" as they unfolded must be quite low.

Except that a lot of people traveled for Bastille Day. He could have been there for the celebration and then went home to Germany.

Agreed. Still, while not impossible, the probability is low considering the size of Europe and the size of each city. If he would have filmed both "events" as they unfolded, then a few bells would start ringing.

Better than the guy that was in the Boston Marathon bombing being in West Texas for the explosion, then in the eu for a terrorist attack

Some guy was in Hiroshima AND Nagasaki. Survived both.

Those are two huge cities in relatively small Japan. This was at an exact Mcdonalds in Germany and an exact location in Nice, France. Two different countries.

Do you have a link about who he is married to? thanks

Everyone who uses this sub SHOULD read ' The Illuminatus Trilogy" , R A Wilson

I'm having a hard time believing this.

Just remind me to stay the fuck away from him

Puppeteering at work.

Holy shit. The chances of this are almost zero. He might have had SOME reason to be in those cities at those times, but those cities are big.

The odds of him being at the scene both times by chance are rather slim I´d say.

Definitely seems fishy, but why would they do something so sloppy as identify the same person uploading the video? Seems like their tradecraft would be at least on the level of uploading it through a Tor or similar.

Precisely. Plus the wife is not Mossad.

Just the latest I'm afraid. Here we see a woman who appears to have the same kind of luck, eye-witness to multiple recent crisis events: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hGZM7heYKw

Crisis actors.

This thread is amazing at identifying a lot of shill accounts. So many outed themselves it's a good use to tag a lot, and then look at comment history in future.

john lennon was shot and killed??...world is fucked

Local reporter

Now that is interesting

He's the Nightcrawler

Absolutely Zero

What exactly is this photo supposed to be showing? I'd love to believe, but it seems like the same photo three times with a thumbnail

Guys, he's just having a gut jahr!

He appears to be revelation of method.

Could b a coincidence but my question is why would he delete that pic off twitter though?

Calling u/dicktaterpuff what the actual fuck dick

Higher than you may expect

I don't believe in coincidences.

That's a coincidence, neither do I!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Flagg

I sometimes am so close to loosing my mind and believing everything is staged... thanks to links like these...

Given how many things are happening so quickly that people are bound to be at multiple sites of attacks.

I work at a local TV station in Texas. We interviewed a woman who was in downtown Dallas when the cops were shot. Do she decided she needed to get away from that and decompress. So she took a vacation.

In Nice. :(

Gutjahr. Good year. Has 2016 been a good year so far? Hmmm.

Maybe a coincidence?

He tweeted that he is back in Nice. He finished school back in the days in Munich, it looks like he's temporarily living in Nice besides his living place in Munich. So it doesn't seem that odd to me.

https://twitter.com/gutjahr/status/756735178219945984

Bruce almighty style

u/TyrannosaurusRekt238

This is something out of Bruce Almighty

nice is an hour flight away from munich, if you live in munich and are on vacation in nice when an attack happens.. wouldnt you go home ? just sayin

oh boy the odds...

May be Richard Gutjahr is a German equivalent of John Doe or Joe Sixpack

The odds are low, but rare events happen all the time

That guy probably has a serious case of paranoia now

Gee, what are the odds anyone has a camera in his hands nowadays?
I remember this argument popping a lot in conspiracies lately

I saw an interview with a guy who left Hiroshima after the first atomic bomb, and headed to Nagasaki for safety. Dodged two bullets, he did.

really big, massive bullets. . .

He still doesn't have the Infamous Mormon Missionary beat. You remember that guy who happened to survive the Boston, Paris and Brussels attacks?

That guy, is still the King of the "What the fuck are those odds?" realm.

Maybe he's the terrorist version of Peter Parker and he's actually doing the shootings himself OH MY

It's as if this white genocide was planned

Like no journalist ever used tools like police scanners and social media to be where things are happening when they happen... Sure, must be some mossad shit right there....

Not the biggest fan of just jumping to conclusions when there are so many holes in a theory without propper confirmation and verification to the story.

There is a pattern here, but who is reporting about the Israeli intelligence being involved? I need real confirmation and not conspiracy rumors without propper sources

Dude lives in munich and went to party in nice. Not that crazy.

the odds are quite high considering everyone has a phone now that can do video.

1:1

There were a hundred thousand people watching the fireworks in Nice, so the odds are probably on the order of 1 in 1000.

Clearly the Jews did this.

European Nightcrawler?

pretty sure Nightcrawler was already European, but ok. lol

Hah I think you're referring to X-Men. I'm referring to the movie with Jake Gyllenhaal.

right you are, and I was not. . . lol. I'll see myself out.

No worries! On that X-Men note, I think Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler was awesome. However, I'm not much of an aficionado on the X-Men canon and accurate character portrayals; it's possible his interpretation was off the mark with what fans were expecting (I've no idea).

He's the John McClain of journalist. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Einat Wilf

Never heard of her, and on some pics she looks quite good, but wtf has happened in this one: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/h01nANPQEb4/hqdefault.jpg

It's the "Die Hard" effect.

He's had a gut jahr.

Journalist in nice for the festival or parade isn't surprising; the fact that he's german would mean he would go back to germany (and then perhaps see the shooting taking place there).

Most people also run from shooting and killings, this guy might be one of the few who would stay to film/document (Hes a journalist after all).

Must have been here to film false flags for the Mossad for everyone to see. They just exploit the shallow memory of the average person who had smoked too much flouride. In fact most of the time the same type of people are present in false flags. Paid "victims", "reporters", and such.

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Yes. It is really that crazy. He started filming before the shooting. That plus the fact that he was at the Nice "terrorist" act a week ago, makes him suspect #1.

u/coverinmiles710 look!

It's not only the Munich-Nice coincidende. It's also about his sinister wife and the time/location of this event. 1972 attack took place right there (1 mile away) and it's the 5th anniversary of the Breivik thing. No proof. But damn odd.

Wow . That IS disturbing. Especially with his link marriage to an agent no matter what the agency.

He's lives in Munich, and he was in Nice to see the Bastille Day celebrations.

And he's married to a mossad Agent.

I like how the guys in r/theydidthemath chose to put all their rationality aside and go straight to hamster mode when dealing with this problem.

Is r/conspiracy a forum to post the wackiest conspiracies and denounce true skeptical analysis of events because of it?

the question here really is: what is the probability that a journalist who was present and recorded two terrorist massacres in europe, married to a israeli politician and intelligence agent is somehow involved or had previous knowledge these terrorist attacks? I'd say it's rather high. Enough to warrant further investigation.

Like how Lincoln's kid was there for four attempted Presidential assassinations.

France truck attack was another media Hoax.

So is Richard a journalist or mossad agent?

Why wasting time, anybody that has connection to self proclaimed state of Israel in untouchable.

On July, 22nd Gutjahr sends this via Twitter:

"Habe heute Fehler gemacht. Konnte nicht glauben, dass ich schon wieder in so eine Situation geraten bin. Die Bilder sind jetzt weg. #OEZ" https://twitter.com/gutjahr/status/756627290570784769

translated: "I have made mistakes today. Could not believe that I had again gotten into such a situation. The pictures are gone [removed] now."

He is obviously referring to a tweet by the local police asking the people not to upload pictures or footage, which he had retweeted immediately before. And he states that he has removed the images as a consequence of this.

Does anybody have links links to the original images? I think it is proven that he is not the one who recorded and distrubuted the video of the shooter coming out of McDonald's and opening fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgBhtb4DR4 In this phone interview he says [02:00] that he arrived 20 minutes after "the whole thing happened". He was in his car on the "Mittlerer Ring" which is close to the Olympia site. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstraße_2_R He "followed the police convoys".

This Gutjahr/Wilf thing is very interesting. The question is: how will this and the rest of the story fit together?

So sorry for this Gutjahr So way over head The hero won't make it Just a traitor instead

/r/nevertellmetheodds

Wasn't there a guy in the hiroshima and nagasaki nuclear explosion?

Coincidences does not a conspiracy make.

No way, a German man was in both the third most populous city in Germany and the second most popular tourist destination in a neighbouring country!?!

Do you think conspirators would use the same name twice for no reason? Think about it guys.

Why not? That's the same reason robbers and scammers get caught - they become lazy.

By now you'd think the culprits would be able to plan these events so that no clues are left behind.

Its as if its just to wind up ppl like those on this sub while everyone else buys the official story wholeheartedly

This is more common than you might think. I recently watched a doc about Sandy Hook and a big part of the film was about actors that are seen on scene in multiple tragedies. Really interesting stuff.

link?

Forgot that part. "We need to talk about Sandy Hook"

This is just bizarre behavior. I recommend watching the entire doc if you can, but if you are curious about the specific part I just referenced, skip to 1:54.00 and watch about 5 mins of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD0z275nQnM

Tsutomu Yamaguchi was present at both the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Coincidences happen in this crazy world.

Doesn't mean the Jews did it.

I read Bono was near the Bataclan attacks and the truck one. Sneaky Irish bastard is up to something.

He could be a crisis actor. Of course, this would also have to mean that crisis actors are real and paid by governments and governments are aware of attacks before they happen yet they do nothing to stop them.

Governments do nothing to stop them because they are the ones staging them

Why would this be suspicious? What is the actual conspiracy here? That governments who might conspire to create false-flag attacks accidentally needed a reporter to capture the attacks, and despite covering up all other evidence of the conspiracy, they fuck up by using the same guy twice?

That's retarded.

This is a nope.

99,5% sure there is no consiracy going on there.

Richard Gutjahr lives there...

Before you start ranting global conspiracy, remember that there were people who experienced and lived through both the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Coincidences.

Those are two huge cities in relatively small Japan. This was at an exact Mcdonalds in Germany and an exact location in Nice, France. Two different countries.

What are the odds?? Same woman that survived the sinking of the Titanic also survived the sinking of the sister ship the hms Britanic and the crash of the rms Olympic! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Jessop

Okay...so since it seems that this situation is also involved in some deceit/fuckery...what's the motive here? What's going on?

EDIT: Maybe something like this is what's going on...

What's going on?

Read Albert Pike's 1871 letter to learn what's going on. It's all going according to his plan.

Albert Pike's 1871 letter

I just read about it, was "NAZI" even in the vernacular at the time the letter was written? He would of had to known not only what the fascist party was called but also what the popular acronym would be; 60 years beforehand.

"nazi" as used as a slur against the national socialists.

note it was not naso but nazi. and I believe Churchill's faction that were doing the slurring in the 30s.

Pike's order (the Illuminati) created the nazi movement. They coined the term.

If the letter is a fake, it doesn't matter. It might've been forged in the 1950's or whenever. The things described in the letter are still becoming reality today.

First I've heard of any of this. Pretty wild, man.

Why stage terrorist attacks there? They already have gun control. No matter how many times terrorists attack the people still accept Muslims. What do they have to gain by staging attacks?

I came up with a far fetched theory years ago that a group somewhere in Europe are behind these terrorist attacks since they possibly gain something (i don't know what) out of a Europe focused on stopping muslim immigrants from entering.

They aren't immigrants. They are migrants mainly from Africa. Why would anyone want African migrants in their nation? One only has to look at America to see they don't assimilate and bring way more problems than they are worth. Every European leader knew this but they are flooding Europe with millions of them despite that.

What is allowing this radical islam to spread its being used as a pretense for Globalist agenda in this way:

EU formalizes creation of a EU military complete with intelligence agency. Replaces Nato

US, under Obama/Clinton, proposed a united political response and under pretense of war with Islam cements an international oversight government in which all other countries have lesser governing power in foriegn policy and domestic response to terror.

Migrant muslims become a second class citizen ruled with police state as they use sheer force to brutalize all radicals.

An entire busload of Australian teenagers were also at both sites. Are you going to tell me that these kids are also part of the grand plan or do coincidences just happen?

Dont try to reason with them. People here believe that chem trails exist and some even believe the earth is flat.

Nice try Mossad.

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Is this real?

No.

Thanks

God dammit I really really want to mock and be disgusted be false flag conspiracy theories. Yet shit like this pops up...

Co-incidences happen. There were over 160 people who happened to get nuked at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

I'd bet there were more people than just this guy who were at both Nice and Munich events. And once you look at people who were at either event, and also some other terrorist event, some other time, you're probably looking at dozens, even hundreds of people.

If this was part of some orchestrated plan, putting the same guy on scene at two events, in a role where his name is publicised, and pretty likely to get noticed by people, was incredibly stupid and inept.

/r/theydidthemath

IT'S THE JUICE!
SHE'S A MOSSAD AGENT!
PUT THE TINFOILS!

Give me a break

k...

What would the benefits of this be to the higher ups?

Like... why kill people?

No reason to from a governments standpoint.

You guys are ridiculous.

well the guy is unlucky as fuck

There was a woman who experienced Columbine and then went to college across the country and experienced Virginia Tech. Europeans also travel a lot.

Makes sense with the DNC leaks.

Fucking scum

Seems like a huge COHENcidence to me.

Source for him being married to Mossad agent?

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Yeah, because eyewitness reports are known to be always 100% accurate. There were also reports of shootings at Stachus, Marienplatz, the subway and a couple of other locations. All turned out to be rumors.

I dont think I have heared of anyone saying that they saw someone shooting at other locations, there were only people talking about shootings in other locations becouse people paniced every where, I know some people that were at one of the other locations where one shooting was rumored to be, and they only saw people going aways from that location, but no one saw shots or anything.

He's a journalist...

What are the honest odds of that happening?

There's no fucking way it isn't a coincidence

You people are crazy. Journalists are routinely sent out after these events to the area. This German, who filmed the Nice attacks, was sent by his news agency to the German mall after the attacks happened, no different than CNN sending their reporters to Munich a few hours after the attacks.

This guy is also a local - so no big surprise he was here.

As for the bizarre Jewish conspiracy theory: there is no evidence Einat Wilf is a "Mossad agent".

Holy shit you guys are retarded. My God. I can't believe that the people of this sub lack the simplest critical thinking skills. They don't know that there's a difference between witnessing a shooting first hand and being a reporter sent to the scene of the crime after the fact. They make up bizarre tales of Mossad agents. Then, they use confirmation bias to make it look like a Mossad agent is directing her husband to film Zionist-manufactured shootings, because, uh, they want to scare people and control the world.

As for the so-called "scrubbing" of the Mossad connection in Einat Wilf's Wikipedia page, there were no sources for that statement. If you look in the edit history, the person who removed it said this statement was being "abused" and for good reason. Nobody even bothered checking for primary or secondary sources. And I thought you "awake" and "open-minded" alert people didn't trust Wikipedia because anyone can edit it? That goes both ways.

Please, for God's sake, reply to me and tell me what I said makes sense. Restore my faith in humanity, I'm begging you.

"there is no evidence Einat Wilf is a "Mossad agent" "there were no sources for that statement" FALSE: She was an intelligence officer in the elite 8200 unit within the Israel Defense Forces, and reached the rank of lieutenant.

The Wikipedia article didn't mention a Mossad role. This sentence was specifically deleted: "During her national service in the Israel Defense Forces she was an intelligence Officer in Unit 8200, and reached the rank of lieutenant."

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Think-About-It-Parliamentary-oversight-of-foreign-policy-413743 https://www.factualisrael.com/unrwa-major-obstacle-peace-middle-east-dr-einat-wilf/

As I said, if you look at the edit history, the person who removed that line gave this reason:

09:56, 23 July 2016‎ ..... Fixed the mossad add from just after the terrorist attack in Munich. The are abusing it here http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3241121/pg8#57929044)

People were jumping to anti-semetic conspiracy theories in that forum and this person removed that line o stop that. Unfortunately, it underwent the Streisand Effect and people here began thinking that the removal itself was a conspiracy, even though the person removed it precisely to prevent these kinds of conspiracy theories.

Not that I agree with the approach this person took, but do you at least understand why it was removed? There's nothing sinister about it.

There's one thing I don't understand: this "godlikeproducts"-thread was created on July 23rd. When people start "abusing" the reference to unit 8200 in the Wikipedia article.. why is this a reason to delete the reference? When I searched the edit history of that article I found that reference as early as 2009. I don't want to draw any further conclusions from this deleting. But why would abusing be a reason to delete this passage?

I assume it's because the person didn't want anti-semetic stuff to be posted. Maybe the deleter was a jew who felt hurt?

Not that I agree with that they did. I think it was wrong.

This is a process called brainstorming. If you don't like it, just don't continue reading.

Don't give me that "brainstorming" garbage. Most of the sheeple ITT aren't even questioning these lies; they believe them like the gospel.

Funny, because somebody said the exact same thing as you when I debunked another conspiracy theory in this sub: "just brainstorming".

Making up lies and believing them is not brainstorming. This entire sub is full of crazies who, due to basic confirmation bias, believe complete fabrications. No excuses for that.

Funny, because somebody said the exact same thing as you when I debunked another conspiracy theory in this sub: "just brainstorming".

Maybe that's another conspiracy.

Fuck off people actually died in this shit don't go around trying to push your retarded agenda

push your retarded agenda

Really? Just how the Bush / Cheney team used 9/11 to destabilize the Middle East?

Was it a good thing when they pushed that agenda using a tragedy then?

A good thing? What did America or the Americans get out of that tragedy?

Nothing but more taxes, tighter security and coverups because the government missed all the signs before it happened. Government will NEVER own up to its mistakes. They live within it.

why are you even on here than?

/r/all boy, i've blocked this subreddit now anyways so you'll never see me again, don't worry yourselves.

By the way, have you ever thought it strange that every conspiracy is all on one sub?

their deaths were an agenda as well. and your attempted censoring here is your agenda. what one is supposed to matter?

it wasnt an agenda though??? It was one kid that got bullied for years and went crazy. Please do your research ty

Also, how the fuck is me disagreeing with something 'attempted censorship'. Don't pull out stupid terms just so you can look like you know what you're talking about.

every topic on some kind of terrorism or shooting has a few of you guys in it getting all worked up over not paying attention to the victims enough. because being all reverent to dead people helps in any way apparently. you tried to mask the issues at hand, probably for your own personal benefit because you likely just cant bare the news to face it with us.

so dont tell us what we can or cant discuss. you censor.

Don't tell me what i can and can't tell you, you censor. <-- See, anyone can do that shit, it doesnt make you right. Also, being reverent to dead people is the NICE and morally correct, from my point of view, thing to do. It's not like coming up with your theories to explain awful, but real things so you can feel all smug and happy with yourselves for being 'free thinkers', and then doing nothing about it, is helping any more.

so its just easier for you to not think about why things happen. at least you can look forward to MORE future dead people to be morally correct over. vs actually trying to understand and solve problems.

I am thinking about WHY things happen, such as the person who commited the shooting having a history of being bullied due to his nationality and being obsessed with mass shootings, with the solution to the problem being more acceptance in europe and better dealing with bullying, plus better mental healthcare. Anyways,if what you're saying is right, how're you proposing to solve this problem. Seems to me that you're just posting shit on the internet without even an inkling of the real perpetrators or any real solution, assuming you ARE right, which is not likely.

of course im guessing some of you think its actually jews doing the terrorist attacks?

You realise palestine isnt even a real country, i honestly hope israel destroys palestine and any other terrorist state/country.

WHy cant israel wipe out iran after what iran has said about them? why are they the only country that isnt allowed to defend themselves.

daily rockets launched at israel,if that was happening to america and mexico was the aggressor america would stomp them.

,if that was happening to america and mexico was the aggressor america would stomp them.

1. Cant imagine a scenario in which the USA would be illegally building "settlements" in Mexico and taking over their land.

2. If that scenario was true, I'd probably be backing the Mexicans.

(1) how can you illegally build settlements when palestine isnt a real country?

(2) you would back mexico if they where firing rockets at america daily? you are so cucked you actually support terrorisiim against you own people.

If i was an american i would want you in jail for being a traitor or better yet disposed of so you dont cost your country money to detain your traitorous ass.

(1) Your analogy was Mexico. Mexico is a real country.

(2) Not American. Am impartial observer.

Check this out: France Nice Truck Attack Video Owner Richard Gutjahr's Wife is Israel Politician & ex-Mossad Agent

Purely coincidental. Nothing to see here. Move along.

He was just in Paris. And still in France doing mission work. So religious tourism. Makes sense he'd be at a large festival in that country. That's like being in Philly during a shooting around Christmas and then being in new York city during new years and being blown up near time square. Not far fetched. I've seen people I know from home in a foreign country because we were both at a tourist attraction but didn't know.

Creepy as fuck...

If anything , I believe it's a nazi conspiracy. Create these attacks to get germans all hyped up and pissed. When this happend, most people I knew were pissed off that this happend. Create enough of these attacks here on german soil and germans will get fed up and fight back

Arrest him!

Source?

Edit: thanks!

Can you elaborate on this? I'm genuinely interested but don't know much about the Wikileaks.

Call him Zev Blitzer

The GOP doesn't want the system to crash either. If the DNC were to implode or fracture and some third party could gain momentum, it would be bad for both wings of the beast.

They're calling it the Summer of Chaos for a reason.

Fear. Its easy to get the people to do your bidding tell them theyre being attacked and denounce opposition as unpatriotic

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/19/1c/e6191ca4f69d8ff6dd36eb22c73b109e.jpg

The odds are several billion to one that this is coincidence.

Just like when they were doing training drills for bombings in the exact locations where the bombings on 7/7 in London.

To me it seems like they are gearing up for something huge, the ultimate false flag, a nuke. I think they want another really big war

Violet Jessop

could be a serial liar

Hey! Stop that!

Go to circlejerk.

So why didn't DNC or Clinton e-mail leaks include information on creating false flag attacks?

Makes no sense unless they that untouchable.

Or Israeli happens to have a lot of experience fighting terrorism and don't play the politically correctness over security game as much.

Stop spreading this shit, it's been debunked: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-cnns-fake-news-broadcasts-charles-jaco-and-the-fake-live-gulf-war-reports.t1140/

The blue background is from the blue walls of the hotel they stayed at. they built a studio/stage against the outside wall of the hotel, that's why it looks like a blue screen.

This is not to mention the fact that they interviewed people during the war who would have had to flown 24 hours + back and forth from the middle east to america if the whole thing was fake.

Way to start with assumptions there big boy.

link?

It wasn't a terrorist attack though. The media wanted it to be, but it wasn't.

And he was 3km away from both detonations. Coincidences do happen.

Israel Secret Service are the ones doing this shit. What a good way to get everyone to hate your enemy, run around pretend you're them committing numerous atrocities. They basically kill 2 birds with one stone.

Yep, in fact it would have been very odd for him to not be on scene at a major event in his town like this. It's his job. Nice was more unlikely, but not shocking. He was at a major celebration that thousands of others attended. Some of those others were probably also from Munich.

Going to Brazil in August, better watch out

Gov is desperate without the support of its people.

Apples and Oranges. Merely being in the two cities at the same time as the nuclear events is not important.

What is important is that this journalist was at the EXACT LOCATIONS of very short lived terrorist events AS THEY HAPPENED.

That is orders of magnitude more significant than being inside a city of a nuclear attack which covers dozens of square miles.

But he lives in Munich, wasn't present at the start of the attack and went to the scene after he heard about it (from what I've seen). It doesn't even seem like that big a coincidence if that's true.

The story basically amounts to a guy who lives in Munich saw the attack in Nice and then went to the attack in Munich after it started, i'm guessing because he's a reporter.

This reminds me of the family of Mormons who were in Boston in 2013, in Paris twice, and in Belgium.

Sorry for not translating. Gutjahr decided spontaneously and without having any assignment/order to go from Israel to Cairo during the time of the revolution in 2011.

Her having been in an intelligence agency would have not been singled out if it weren't the Israelis. This is getting upvoted because of "The Jews did this". Also you seem to have no understanding what antisemitism means. I recommend a dictionary. Also I'm not a Jew. Not everybody who thinks Jew hating is stupid is a Jew.

Violet Jessop survived the sinkings of the Titanic, the Britannic, and the Olympic.

Except the RMS Olympic didn't sink and was never in any danger of sinking. It did have a big hole put in it by HMS Hawke, I grant you, but still.