Stop Buying Things

580  2016-08-03 by lily_levasseur

You've been told voting makes no difference. You've been told you're gonna get whichever criminal you're gonna get. You've been labeled a "useless eater." FINE. Start making choices that hurt them. Re-use is terrifying for them. Make it count & make it hurt.

Stop consuming, Start deflecting your dollars

Do you want to cripple your overlords? You have the power to cut them off at the knees. It's simple. We can build a counter-initiative against them. It's easy. Stop the flow of consumption.

Just for 30 days:

Join a food co-op.

Shop local.

Don't fall for licensed labels.

Avoid Walmart. (Seriously, they need to sweat.)

Buy stuff from artisans, not "designers".

Grow stuff - it's easy.

Demand better - you deserve it.

Ask how to start local promotional start-ups. Pm me. :)

Don't settle. Don't be poisoned. Don't waste time being pissed.

Stick together.

edit- use credit unions instead of banks.

Changing the world starts with changing your own neighborhood. We can't stop corruption overall, but we can sure as hell put a dent in their cash-flow.

The most common response I see on /r/conspiracy is "nothing will be done." Idk about you, but I'm a tad tired of that.

Let's start with us.

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+1 Agreed. Vote with your lifestyle!

Nobody is going to swoop in and save us from warmongering fascists. The responsibility of salvation is ours alone. Do not defer to the establishment.

It's really the most effective way to protest in a capitalist society. There are just always places to compromise. Like, when I'm low on gas and don't want to buy BP because of the Gulf or Shell because of the Arctic or Chevron because of their sins and so on and so forth.

I've said it before, but one of the most effective ways of bringing change is making "doing the right thing" profitable. A simple example is how a good deal of companies have hopped onto pro-gay fads and hashtags because consumers care about gay rights now more than ever.

We are a fascist oligarchy, not a capitalist empire.

They combine elements of communism as well.

It's a brave new world out there.

The large cap companies of the energy sector are owned by the establishment. There's no way to avoid them, unless you're off the grid and travel any other way than bikes or walking.

Almost 80% or O&G production in the US is by small companies, so I read. This is what I figured the oil market destabilization was about anyhow.

Ooohhhh.... Well fuck some more

So we need some Patriotic Blend! Merica's gas. (God's gas is propane).

Not like that bastard, butane.

It's impossible to get around on foot in large swathes of the country. Don't worry man, they thought of that. Go buy some gasoline.

There will always be people telling you that you need the system. This is an excellent example of that.

There will always be people telling you that you need the system. This is an excellent example of that.

Are you suggesting that I am telling people they need the system? If so, you couldn't be further from the truth.

My previous post was to illustrate that that sometimes the system is unavoidable.

If you think you can completely avoid using the system, then you should stop using a fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPY, GBP, etc). I'm pretty sure you do use their money, since you are using a computer and the internet.

Nobody needs the establishment, but sometimes you can't avoid it.

Uhhh. Maybe not? I copy/pasted this comment to several people, but not you Sorry, dude. lol sorry

Hey man, fist bump! Let's make it happen. :)

Bring it all down, gurl!

r0! Thank you! :)))))

Also pull your money out of big banks and join a credit union. Best decision of my life.

Yep, you are generating profits for whomever you keep your money with. I can't believe how many "Wells Fargo or B of A screwed me" Change.org petitions I've seen. Stop feeding the bankers!

Yes! OP should edit his post and add this to the list.

I need to do this. Need to find a credit union with good online and remote deposit support.

If you're in the US check out Digital Federal Credit Union. They only have physical banks in the northeast US, but they let anyone open an account. They support check deposits from mobile, i think PC, and any ATM with that feature. The app and website are pretty decently put together and let you do a lot.

Thanks for the tip I'll check them out!

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Eloquent. Thank you.

Thank you. I felt like it was a bit pasta. I tend to get all over the place with this. I have a non-Clinton-501 (no money is ever mine), but sometimes it gets so real, it's hard to mean anything. I guess the point is, there are still some of us still doing some things.

This struggle tends to leave one embittered, disconnected, and hopeless. To believe in a thing that is widely criticized and demonized, especially by close friends and loved ones, is a hard thing and tends to lead one to the conclusion that all is futile. For someone to imply that there are ways by which one can have an effect, however small it may seem, is hope. Hope is essential in the search for the truth. Thank you for hope.

Hi. Here's to hope. <3

happy cake day. Have a gold nugget.

Thank you. You just made a complete stranger smile. That's a blow to the forces of oppression.

Well, we have to remember that recent years have seen Walmart on relatively hard times. The accumulated people who care is making an impact.

If we can deprive just one Walton family member of her bonus, we can change the world. (Sadly, that's not a joke.)

The Waltons are rumored to have a secure underground bunker in case of emergency. As nuts as that seems at first, I don't think it's just a rumor. If anyone has the money to build such a thing, it would be them.

The waltons control a major percentage of the goods which flow to & through our country. They've also set themselves up as the enemy, through their own actions & asinine statements. No one will ever take down the "American way" without first destroying the waltons. (Specifically, Christy.) She has, time & again, maintained the slavewage afforded her employees, only to cost (whatever municipality) her partner's even more in food stamps & welfare. She is a massive burden on society while remaining a billionaire.

Walmart is a corporate welfare leach.

Christy Waldon is an excellent argument for bringing back the guillotine.

Yay, someone else mentions the guillotine! It should become trendy!

Love this song someone linked to me a long time ago also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnaY0l4XsM

She provides millions of jobs for slack-jawed losers who can't find work elsewhere. She should be given a medal.

Care to share just how important your own job is? Surely you're some bigwig CEO making millions, right?

Yes.

Bullshit

stop hating me!

That is alarmingly naive, hun.

supply and demand. My wife's new bike got a flat tire this morning...they gave her a new goddamn bike. I like Walmart.

That's okay, lots of people happily support their oppressors, because they simply don't have a clue what it really means. Walmart destroyed small town america, literally, and are a drain on food stamp programs, welfare etc, because they refuse to pay their employees a living wage when they very easily could. You and I support the Walton billionaires in a very real way, with our taxes. The Walton family is worth over $40 billion, and they could easily give every one of their employees a living wage. Not that you'll educate yourself though, of course, but you could look into the many documentaries out there to see online for free.

Not that you'll educate yourself though

What makes you think you are the only holder of this arcane knowledge? If I need a new inner tube, I go to Walmart, because that's where they are sold. I cannot go to Momma's Inner Tube Emporium, because it doesn't exist. And if it did, they would charge more than evil old Walmart.

Big fish eat little fish, deal with it. IKEA put a zillion cabinetmakers out of business, you don't hear them screeching about it. Be flexible, and move the fuck on with your life instead of whining like a little bitch.

I cannot go to Momma's Inner Tube Emporium, because it doesn't exist.

That's because over the last few decades, Walmart has killed small town america. There often were places to go, and people shopped in them.

Big fish eat little fish, deal with it.

No, the big fish went to China starting in about the 1980's and started the trend of sending cheap, shitty Chinese crap to the states in place of quality items.

whining like a little bitch.

That's exactly what I expected from you. The next time you look around at this country, and take a nice hard look-- remember that you contribute directly to its downfall. Walmart is just your kind of store. Have fun on your scooter. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/41/4b/00/414b00f5b79bdea5240bc0424c65eae9.jpg

If I need stuff, and the stores only carry Made In China items, then I have no options...do you understand that? I guess not. I would love to look through your belongings, and see how much was made in USA. Let's start with your phone and laptop.

Sure, let's do that. I own no smart phone or laptop. There, that was easy. My computer is about 8 years old or even older, and I didn't buy it at walmart. Why are we suddenly talking about me here?

As I made clear before, made in china cheap, shitty throw-away items emerged with Walmart's nationwide dominance, while they devastated small businesses.

...Made In China items, then I have no options...do you understand that?

Yes, I do understand that, very clearly. Do you understand that it was Walmart who put thousands upon thousands of US made, better quality producing items out of business?

Just watch a documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmnBbUjsPs

You think one company drove all Mom and Pop businesses out of the US? Holy fuck. No, no, no.

BONUS: I am going to Walmart tomorrow for a massive shopping spree, I will have fun doing it too.

Already there, walking the walk. Turn off your TV also, people.

Yeah, same here. No Netflix, no Hulu, no cable. I canceled Comcast and switched to a local ISP - couldn't be happier.

In our family, it only took a couple weeks to get used to a new way of life. More music, more audio books, and a lot less bullshit (except when someone is playing it in a public space). Priceless. We weaned ourselves with Netflix first. No big deal. I do not miss TV, and when I see it now, it's just fucking grotesque.

We watch lots of YouTube now. There are so many high quality documentaries to watch and learn from...

/r/documentaries is a great sub for this

How did you do it? I've been struggling for years.

We got tired of the ol' $60+ a month for TV channels that aren't even good... so we went with Netflix for a few months, which was under $10 at the time. r/cordcutters gives a shitton of really good advice also.

Now we just get DVD's from the library, watch youtube videos, or buy a lot of them at estate sales etc, used. Mostly listen to music, and stick with the internet though. It took a little getting used to, but it really isn't bad once you get used to it. It's really nice not being sold something at all times. Kind of a relief.

Damn. I don't watch TV at all but I make up for it with youtube/internet usage :/

In ol Billy's voice: "I feel your pain."

hey. I like you.

I may have a tiny head, but my heart is big. Thanks, likewise.

Awww, smush-puddin. I love you despite your zika-brain. Haha

More love in the world is what we need. For real. Hugs.

There's so many people in here decrying entertainment. Why? TV/Netflix, whatever, it's all fine in moderation.

It's true it's good, you just have to pay attention to it and don't let them trojan horse their brainwash consents on you

As long as you can separate the ice cream from the bullshit I don't see any problem with tv in moderation. AJ Reed just got called up and I wanna see if he does well or not.

It's also fun picking up on all the spoon fed propgandic bullshit...

I would like to add " go meet you neighbor"

Bring them some fresh veggies. Or something you've cooked. Introduce yourself . Exchange numbers. Tell them you'll help keep an eye out for any weird cars in their drive.

Form a community. Find some neighbors to barter with... Eggs for lawn service. Etc.

Tell them you'll help keep an eye out for any weird cars in their drive.

lmao.

Hiiiiii! I feel like you maybe live in Utah, which makes you super geographically undesirable as a friend, but if you didn't, we'd totally grab a beer right now. Peace & love yo. <3

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Yeah dude. That's how the real world works. Go talk to people, be nice, and they bring you homemade apple pies

have to actually talk to people??

why not? at first, it may be awkward, but come on...

United we stand or divided we fall!

Isn't it ridiculously silly that the answer might be as easy as "local honey"? haha. Just one thing. That's all.

Ultimately, people need to boycott central bank notes/fiat currencies. Money is what made them powerful to begin with.

I agree with this 100%. However, I don't think this is understandable across the board. I do think, though, we could pull together in a "goods" movement. For starters.

Another possibility transition would be a grassroots movement to use a decentralized cryptocurrency or regionally use an alternative currency.

if you have time, research digital currencies (such as Bitcoin) - start asap. It makes so much fun to reduce consumption and "save" hard earned money outside the fiat system!

Preaching to the choir :D I'm holding DASH and mining ETC.

I'm invested in DASH, because it provides:

  • anonymity - prevents oppression
  • near real-time transaction clearing - fits current transaction processing models.
  • and a governance model - something we're going to need for the future.

you go right ahead...pay your weed dealer in eggs or apples, I'm sure he will be all over that

...or I could pay them using CannabisCoin

I am again reminded why I love this website.

Sometime when I was a teenager, I stopped buying CDs and started pirating music. When the government and record companies and dying bands started trying to guilt me into buying CDs again, I came to the realization that I wasn't contributing to my favorite artists...I was contributing to a business, and I didn't want that, I wanted to give directly to the people who MADE the thing I enjoyed.

I love to buy from eBay and etsy and similar sites. Reuse helps stop pollution, because otherwise a lot of stuff just ends up in the closet or attic or dump.

I feel like you should continue to be a pirate until the system is fair. :)

Thank you!

No problem. It's nearly 11 years old at this point, I think everybody in this sub should watch it at least once. Gives you an idea of the level of corruption going on back in '05, which even compared to today was child's play.

I like everything about this post, except the Macklemore.

but but...fur coat. haha

I mean - and also, "cold ass honky." Just sayin. :)))

In the words of John Prine,

Blow up your t.v. throw away your paper Go to the country, build you a home Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches

PS what's a promotional startup?

you can start by throwing your laptop away..right now, just do it man! FIGHT THE POWER!!

Maybe it's Herbalife.

Yeah, go give that a try.

My brother and I were just talking about this. Organize a spending freeze. You would need to get a lot of people on board.

careful. It's 2016. This might get you labeled an "economic terrorist."

Hey I'm going to go fishing, oh I need a fishing license.

Hey I'm gonna go hunting, oh I need a hunting license.

Hey I'm going to go driving, oh I need a Driver's License, Registration, Insurance....and Retna Scan.

Hey I'm gonna go buy a home, Oh I need Homeowners Insurance, HoA etc, etc.

They don't just hit you at the Grocery Store, the whole goverment is rigged to relieve you of as much money as possible. Most don't know this but there are only a few states that Insurance companies even base your insurance rate off your Driving Record, they base it off your Credit Score!! Now why would that be you ask? There are far more people with Bad Credit than there are with bad driving records. The entire system is rigged....

You're fighting the good fight. Very uphill and I salute your efforts. I will help to spread the word but usually I get BS rebuttals

Who wants to start a not-for-profit insurance company?

It would cover auto, home, life and have salary caps at $80k per year tied to inflation, and try to undercut all current players in the market. Like a credit union but for these common types of insurance. I find these types of businesses necessary evils, and we can "socialize" them within the existing legal framework.

it's such a great idea! Why hasn't it ever been done? Oh.

Oh what? You could create a lot of jobs. What am I missing?

Most people actually want to make money so they can buy stuff.

What does that have to do with this comment? Pay employees a living wage, but no shareholders and no outrageous leadership salaries.

Employees are free to work elsewhere, why is this concept to puzzling?

Yes, employees are free to work anywhere they want, of course. I'm just talking about evolving more industries into not-for-profit ones, so that the 1% can't rip us off as much.

The 1% will always rip us off...under any system of government, the same kind of people rise to the top.

Yeah yeah yeah defeatist BS

'realistic truth'

Someday all of the baby boomers will be dead

I...can't wait that long. It is time.

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Wish I could find "made local" tools. Otherwise I'm down with farmer's markets.

One of the best places to find quality tools cheaply--estate sales.

It may be survivorship bias, but I think older tools are generally better made than new tools.

Yanno what's so cool? There's a guy I know who does his own blacksmithing. He wears a kilt. (I imagine cause it's freakin hot & he's thinkin about that breeze.)

Idk where you live, but I'm willing to bet you have that same guy in your neighborhood.

Have you ever thought about seeking him out? That, in itself, is an act of anarchy today. Simple=simple, brother. Much love to you.

That's actually a good start, and I'm so hapy to finally see some sort of action taking place on this sub. We need to do something about all these 'theories' that are happening live, with fucking evidence to back it up. Screw all the shills (both sides) trying to influence this sub, and, I I said before, vote for yourself, not the system. One thing that can be added to this list is: pay for everything you can in cold hard cash, no cards, debit or credit. A small detail that gets you a little further outside the grid.

Please people, don't just agree and carry on as normal.

Do we get a sticker if we've already been doing this for 2+ decades?

No, but I'll trade you heirloom tomatoes. heh

I agree with all of it except for 'growing stuff== its easy"

No, no it isn't. I mean if you get someone else to grow you a greenhouse tomato plant then sure you can put it in a pot with engineered soil but then you've just undone it all.

Try growing that tomato from seed. It's harder, let me tell you. Try keeping grass and weeds out if you plant in the ground.

I translate daily labor into not being easy. It is however easy, it's just that it takes you many hours of the days of micromanaging and toil, but yes that's technically 'easier' than building or running a busy data driven website

Oh, stoppit, you. ( idk what to call you for short?) I grow stuffs all day & I'm a pretty prim princess. Don't make me post tomato pics. I'm just about to harvest pablanos & that shit is gonna be so good, everyone is going to try to move in with me.

It's easy, y'all. 911body-i-can't -nickname-this-guy is just being a big-fat-meanie. Ha

:) Fellow gardener here. It amazes me the ideas people have about things, and their aversion to a little bit of authentic work. You would think you were threatening to hang them or administer some dire existential consequence.

One day a few years ago I gave my best friend's wife a fresh garden tomato. She took it home. A week or two later I asked her if she enjoyed it she said "no" because it "didn't look right" when she cut into it. She said the core wasn't white like those in the store so she thought it was diseased.

SMH.

There's nothing quite like biting into the first tomato of the summer grown from heirloom seed, that you've tended carefully and watched grow from a single leaf struggling to burst from the ground.

How bouts 911snatch or Snatch322

Any "snatch" will do here! Best idea ever. :)))))

I started a 96 sq. foot raised bed vegetable garden this summer for like $300 that waters itself every 3 days. It does not have to be daily labor, in fact you find yourself wanting to be out there more because it's serene and whatnot.

I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but it looks pretty alright so far.

Hydroponics are awesome. No weeds, and can be organic if you want to be.

I'm on that train.

I started this again and got a like new designer coat from a thrift store. Also a scarf and purse that would both be $100 new. I forgot how amazing thrift stores are. Didn't take searching to find them either.

I'm resolving to do it more for clothes again. Most my appliances and furniture. Costco treats employees a bit better - I need to do this more. Also farmers market.

I'd be happy to save money and give the elite a big F you while doing so!

My advice in this vein would be to never buy crappy furniture. If you take a closer look at a consumer grade couch, it has fucking cardboard as support, meaning that you sit on a thin piece of cardboard and it's bound to bend and snap at one point, forcing you to to chuck the entire thing into a dumpster and buy a new one.

On the other hand, my dad snatched a military bed during his service, it's made of solid steel and can withstand two kids jumping on it whole day long. So, buy only the toughest furniture you can find and consider it an investment.

There are essentially three ways to change thing's, one is voting we all know how that goes. Second is with jury nullification and the last but most effective of all is voting with your wallet. This has done more to change things the last ten years than anything has. Example just look at what is happening with our food manufacturers are starting to pull that crap out because no one is buying it.

What's the jury nullification part about? Is it refusing to find people guilty for laws you feel are unjust? Refusing to be on a jury?

Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a verdict of "Not Guilty" despite its belief that the defendant is guilty of the violation charged. The jury in effect nullifies a law that it believes is either immoral or wrongly applied to the defendant whose fate they are charged with deciding. If a jury came back with not guilty for like growing pot that sets a president and now the law is gone.

Thanks, that sounds quite powerful. It would be fun to see a list of jury nullified cases.

I am trying to live the way you describe, but it's harder than it sounds.
Growing stuff is not easy. You need to own land, which means you need money. Not a single place I've rented has allowed me to dig up their precious grass. Also, the climate has to agree with what you're plantng. This spring was vicious to my plants - frst freezing and then boiling - the poor plants died. Also, you need to pay for water and fertilizer etc etc. Growing, when you mean it, is a rich man's game. I shop a LOT at thrift stores, and they do not carry a huge stock of needed things. These are the things I've bought lately not from a thrift store: shoes (I am not going to buy diseasy used shoes - sorry.), a freezer, a garden hose, and a computer. Show me where someone local makes those things. Artisan shoes, my ass. You want me to pay a LOT of money. I am wlling to pay $5 more for a product made in the USA - oddly enough, my check-out girl used to work at the factory that made the garden hose, so I knew the label wasn't lying to me. I have yet to fnd things homemade or local where I don't have to pay through the nose. My local co-op is also a pretentious money drain. I can buy the exact same brands for cheaper at a regular grocery store. Of course I'm not a big drinker of artisanal luxury beer. So, I love the sentiment, but you have to realize that your approach requires a lot of money and time.
I still believe the BEST thing a person can do is to get their tubes tied, and not have children. THAT is the real way to stop consumerism in one generation.

+1. Vote with your dollars.

Don't buy things you don't need, don't eat shit food, and don't let TV dumb you down. But do it for yourself. There is no "them" that you will hurt.

Here is where I mostly hear voting doesn't count.

dig a well. dont drink tap and bottled/commercial water. both are fluoride contaminated.

yeah, let's all just dig a damn well

How about hygiene products like deodorant and toothpaste?

Baking soda (toothpaste alternative) is very affordable in bulk.

Body odor is a representation of your diet. Consume chlorophyll rich foods & your body odor / bad breath will diminish.

They're Google-able. Have fun!

Cool

If people implemented these suggestions, we would be in full control of our own world for once in thousands of years.

<3

Absolutely!

A well thought out post. It's something I'm conscious about myself and (for me) the only solution I found to our growing problems. Even though I can't say for 100% that no dollar/euro is going to "evil" corporations I'm happy if it's successively getting lower and lower.

Let them bleed out. This is something we can do!

Thank you!

I know, all this looking at government as the problem is exactly that, giving the government power over us to solve or create problems.

The fact is we live in the world we create and if we start creating societies where the need for governance is minimal, government loses all power.

Hey. Let's be neighbor's. :)

Agreed, I have sold my car and bought an electric bicycle, that's something.

That's amazing! Post your travels!

Row row fight da powa!

Go shopping at thrift stores or shop small streetwear or online brands I love fashion but most major labels are owned by corporations

Or just pay attention and don't buy things from companies that are doing shitty things.

Solid.

Mountains of NC :) Utah sounds nice tho

Even better - and seriously, Utah is terrible. Fellow southerner here. They have zero air there due to altitude. You'll die. Stay away. It's not even fun in park city. Lol

While many of the ideas posted here are a start, without real monetary reform the (man made)issues we face remain unsolved..??

We will still suffer from inflation/deflation, still suffer this multiplication of artificial indebtedness(in proportion to a remaining capacity to pay/service debt), peoples artificially destroyed credit worthiness isn't restored, people will continue to lose their homes(they've probably already paid for) to unjust foreclosures, and government austerity measures will continue..???

Resolving our monetary issues is the only thing that will allow us to make the remaining things what they ought to be..

Edit: If people want "real change", they should study/advocate something called Mathematically Perfected Economy(because it truly is the singular solution to banking crimes and political treason)

yes!

I agree +1 You might want to wait on growing stuff until next year. Joining a food co-op is always a good idea or if your in an area like I am there are farmers with food stands everywhere. Buying local from your IGA will support the same companies that make the food for Walmart, so you won't be hurting those food producers that pack our food with toxins, just Walmart which is a start. Where I'm at there is a Meat shop which IMO is way better then anything you can get at the store. Avoided all can goods, sodas, frozen goods, etc. you can if you want to hurt those companies. I know the horror, you will have to make your own meals. Buy your beer from local microbreweries.

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What about it? I'm from Atlanta, so it's fairly organic. If you have a different view, share.

Obviously, do what you can. But it's all fucked i the west. It's literally too big. We need all migrate to Africa.

Yeah, only buy what Alex Jones sells you on ads 24/7

Always that one downvote. heh

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Yeah. I did. I'm sorry.

I can't fix the tech industry today, but maybe I can influence other, smaller trends. If there was an artisan technology company, I'd sure back it.

Little steps, yo.

Or maybe non-Internet steps even. I'm game to see what happens. :)

You don't understand though, it's a co-op! They have enough to satisfy entire towns! They're cheaper too!

Cut the cord btw! No tv, no social media, no reddit or internet! Can't have those bastards brainwashing you! Live off the land! Even if you don't have the land to live off of...just find some! It's everywhere!

All sarcasm aside, it sounds like a great idea. But what about the people that work at these places? Good hard working Americans that really don't get paid what they should...but ya know..once sales drop you know the first thing to go? The grunts of the stores. You're not hurting Wal*Mart by not shopping there, you're hurting the employees who will be laid off. (No that does not mean you should shop there because of the people, but the point is made for all things commercial)

It wont work. Sorry to be the bugger of bad news, but it wont. Remember when gas prices where like 4-5 bucks a gallon and everyone was like, "ON AUGUST 4th DON"T BUY GASS!!! THATS HOW WE"LL GET THEM TO LOWER THE PRICES" People bought gas. Why? Because they had to go to work, and take their kids to school and go to the grocery store to feed their kids. People had emergencies, police needed to fill up their cars. And the people trying to organize it bought gas the day after and day before.

I just saw this and wow.

There is a plethora of data which explains how Walmart is detrimental to communities. In fact, the phenomena is so prevelant, there are entire economic studies based on the Walmart factor.

You can type lots of words in all caps, but it doesn't add anything to what you're saying. You can make round-a-bout correlations to gas prices, and cite hard working Americans, and still - you haven't touched upon the wage-slave-system that is Walmart.

As a matter of fact, the only reason I can think of for you to defend Walmart is that you are either an employee of the brand or a paid poster.

Either way -good luck with that rhetoric.

They provide lots of jobs...isn't that a good thing? Nobody is forced to work there. I don't work there, I don't know anyone that does. I presume that the ones that do are grateful for a job.

I didn't defend Walmart. I just said that it's not going to hurt them as much as it will the employees. It is a piece of shit place to work, I've never worked there, but known good people who have. They hated it.

So touchy when a person doesn't say "Fuck Wal*Mart!"

Grow stuff - it's easy.

You haven't grown much if you think it's ready to harvest in 30 days.

Heh. You won't catch me saying that at all. Ever.

Had half my garden taken out by my neighbor's trees a couple of weeks ago in a storm. I nearly DIED. I seriously wasn't even all that grateful for the tree missing my house cause I was so mad about the exotic tomatoes I lost.

Tl;dr: growing stuff IS easy. Not killing a stupid, neglectful neighbor is monumentally hard.

growing stuff IS easy.

Not in 30 days as you're proposing.

Quit being a fucker

Fuck yourself.

Hey hey hey, stop it, ya dumb fuck.

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Start growing stuff in 30 days. This level of sophistry is beneath you.

There's no way you can get the stinking squalid swaths of the wretched impoverished underclass of this country to stay out of Walmart. It's a nice dream

You might be exactly right.

Still - do we at least try? Idk

I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in 4 years. I shop at my local grocer. They usually have better deals than Wal-Mart anyway.

I have also started to ween myself off amazon and ordered three books from a local bookstore today.

Amazon is just as bad as Wal-Mart. Workers are treated poorly and they are constantly causing problems for publishers.

That's all well and good if you can afford it. For the majority who cannot, it's a pipe dream.

I understand that. I don't have a lot of money either and am considered poor. It takes effort to make such a change and research. I also understand that some people don't have a choice especially small towns with nothing but Wal-Mart.

In my town, Wal-Mart is considerably more expensive than Crest. It doesn't necessarily have to be big box stores. People can definitely hurt the big companies by buying off brand products.

Buy dollar tree soda instead of Coke, use Linux instead of Windows or OS X, buy books from bookstores like half price books. Buy video games used at stores like GameXChange instead of Gamestop.

Doesn't have to be life changing. Just little things and a little bit of research can go a long way to voting with your wallet. Save some money in the process.

Yeah, calling them 'stinking squalid swaths' and the 'wretched impoverished' helps though right? /s

You know, someone being of a lower socioeconomic class and unenlightened to your morally superior ways does not make them a bad person. And acting all condescending and apathetic does absolutely no one any good.

Who's voting this down and why?

Because it's really vague and nonsensical. It's a lot of ranting and raving against...something. Or someone. It's not clear what OP is trying to fight against. Just some vague "them".

you just need to dig a well and plant some potatoes, bro!

I tend to agree. It's a nice sentiment but ultimately vague and a bit empty. Not to say it's worthless, just not necessarily helpful and a little too self-congratulatory.

Because it's fucking stupid...

they built a mini-walmart (basically groceries, pet food, a pharmacy and some misc. home staples) right by my house ... just sayin, my grocery bill got reduced by a third and i'm falling in love with the quality of their GratValue brand commodities (salad dressings, soaps, chips, cookie dough etc..)

i still buy some staples from farmer's markets ... but i'm finding it hard to hate on wal-mart

I mean fuck, I needed spray paint ... $.82 for a can of black paint that's the same thing as rustoleum ($3.52?) ... fuck yeah!

exactly. Most of these wanna-be anarchists shop there too.

I am a shopaholic that collects electric guitars. Your plea falls on deaf ears.

Doesn't matter one bit. They'll just pursue you more aggressively on another level to circumvent your resistance, they'll lie even harder, cheat even more, spit in your face and make you thank them for it. If all of that doesn't really work anymore, they'll enslave, torture, mame, kill and replace without a second thought. This world might be finite, but humans have become so numerous they're the most expendable resource on it.

These creatures are mentally deranged, rabied dogs acting out of pure anguish and frustration stemming from a defective brain and a subsequently malformed personality. The behavioral sickness they carry in them is highly contagious and has spread through everything and everyone already in some or other form. Every waking day these past 75 years has been proof of that and the pace at which it occurs has gained an unstoppable momentum crushing every bit of humanity, idealism, hope, happiness, perspective, genuine emotion ...

They make Nazis look like schoolboys in comparison and they're all around us. We're "living" in a pathocracy run by sociopaths for sociopaths.

I do or did all of the things you mentioned and it's a pointless exercise. Once alternative things gain traction, there come the vultures and parasites who've smelled "potential". From organic to sustainable to fair trade to every other fad word they'll come up with ... the "potential" to suck it all dry to the last drop and leave the waste for the ones most in need or the onces who can't fend for themselves.

You wanna do something good? Shut up and do it all on your own.

You wanna do something good? Shut up and do it all on your own.

Ok, first of all, I AM.

Second: id like to say that I'm sorry you're so beat down. You kinda sound like my dad & tbh, man - he's pretty sad & disappointed these days.

Either way, things will change. On the one hand, it looks like they'll make slaves of us, but maybe - just maybe - we won't bend.

Maybe we'll make y'all proud, dad. Ever considered that? It could happen. <3

Nothing will change in the general positivistic way. It's all decaying and degenerating like every organism on this planet was ever meant to do. Tick tock tick tock ...

There's a few core principles that have to be met in order to lead a satisfying life, but the system has been set up and is being perfectioned every single day to make sure that does not ever happen. You'll go on engaging and consuming and it'll demand moral, physical, psychological ... sacrifices that will undermine the pleasure of enjoying the fruits of everything you'd potentially amass.

You clearly haven't lived through enough hardship and seen enough of fucking humans yet to understand how truly sad and wasteful the straight jacket of "society" is. You clearly haven't known where we came from, where we're at and where we're going. I see you're a slave already. Like every generation that saw the "errors" of the previous one, by the time it's your turn a whole set of "new" errors (which were always the same to begin with, only tailored to your paradigm) will by automatically built in by the system for your generation and so on and so forth.

You're a shill. Even if you don't know you're a shill, you are. I feel like maybe you're not a paid shill, but your "eyeore" attitude is part of what's wrong with people today.

I appreciate that, btw. You're openly admitting you're dying a little every day. It's better than lying and saying you have something to contribute.

Cheers, shill. Enjoy your meh.

You are a waste of words. You'd rather hear some comforting half lies or half truths instead of the painful truth. Now THAT's what wrong with people today ... You remind me of those Occupy hippies stinking up parks and holding drum circles to end casino capitalism or those castrated wankers running "for the cure" benefits in wife beaters with a paper number safety pinned to their backs. Just massively delusional at best, engaged in exactly the kind of substitute behaviour that's completely harmless to the system and ineffective to elicit any sort of true change.

Quickly, go buy yourself a 4$ shirt and a jalapeno plant ... only to buy yourself a brand new Hugo Boss shirt 3 days later so you don't get treated like trailer trash anymore and a bag full of jalapenos that costed a fragment of the plant that's been half eaten by lice or snails by the time you realize you suck at bringing up the energy for something that was doomed from the get-go.

"But, but ... At least I tried" You tried trying, but you didn't do shit. Kumbayaah, mah Loawd, Kumbayaaah.

Kinda missing out on the vibe man. The real run down is just that the world population is growing larger thus more pressure. Plant a random fruit tree. Try it. Watch how you feel about that in the years as you watch it grow. The same is happening on this post. Unless someone comes along and cuts it down.

I take it you are 75? Can't disagree with you.

Every alternative idea and business ultimately gets bought by or incorporated into the psychopathic reality. Most of the time these ideologues roll over at the first bone, as if that was their goal all along.

I have personally witnessed this in some big movements and it has left me thoroughly disgusted and without hope in anything human.

nothing will be done.

Heard some guy said he once drank cum instaead of buying water from walmart because he wanted to say fuck you to the illuminati.

Dont do that people...

That's funny. I never thought you were a shill before....

I spend half my life on here exposing shills so...

I spend half my time here reading and respecting your insights. Imagine my disappointment when I see you derailing this convo with cum drinking. Eh.

We need a bit of humor occasionally, and fresh veggies.

Well thanks but it's a true story. He was a schizophrenic though. Had an IQ of 156 but would spend half his time living in a hut in his garden.

Rod Stewart strikes again...

but but...fur coat. haha

I mean - and also, "cold ass honky." Just sayin. :)))

Yes, employees are free to work anywhere they want, of course. I'm just talking about evolving more industries into not-for-profit ones, so that the 1% can't rip us off as much.

In ol Billy's voice: "I feel your pain."

Yeah yeah yeah defeatist BS

Any "snatch" will do here! Best idea ever. :)))))

You're a shill. Even if you don't know you're a shill, you are. I feel like maybe you're not a paid shill, but your "eyeore" attitude is part of what's wrong with people today.

I appreciate that, btw. You're openly admitting you're dying a little every day. It's better than lying and saying you have something to contribute.

Cheers, shill. Enjoy your meh.