It is. I had to laugh also, at their complete stupidity. I think they paid for the privilege, in fact, for the whole trip. Funny, they aren't even supposed to be clean enough to touch the grapes, but the jews aren't going to do actual work.
You are surprised that people would fight back against being oppressed? You are surprised people would hate their oppressors? They should just hand over all their land and live in the concentration camp happily right?
How fucking dare you assume that I or anyone wants to "wipe out Israel?"
Do you think this is a new trick we haven't seen before?
We know how it goes. Anyone who criticizes the expansionist policies of the Israeli government, you slander and vilify as wanting to "wipe out Israel," which is to say "wipe out the Israeli people," which is to say "wipe out the Jews." Therefore, anyone who criticizes Israeli policy, you think you're justified in calling them a genocidist equivalent to Hitler.
Pure lowlife smear tactic right out of the Intro to Counterintelligence textbook. Isn't that true? Don't answer. Everyone here knows it is.
How about if I call on all states to abide by international law and norms of state conduct as established by agreements to which ALL PARTIES are signatory? Oh, that's much too hard. So you're going to find it necessary to construct some elaborate rhetorical device by which you can equate that suggestion with genocide. Isn't that right? Go ahead. Let's see if I called it.
Tell your friends they need to send a better hatchet man. You suck at this.
I sympathize. Religion doesn't belong in the affairs of state.
At the same time, I think there's not enough religion in the world. And by that I mean in people's private lives. And by religion I don't just mean empty outer forms but a true and life sustaining spiritual path. Industrial civilization seems to know or care only about the material world. We've lost the old spiritual ways, and I'm firmly convinced that we suffer for that very conspicuously.
As for the Israel - Palestine question, it's very significant, but it's not my usual thing. You brought it up! :-)
Me, I have no desire whatsoever to wipe anyone off of any map!
I did bring it up. But then youll remember that anti zionism is a constant feature of the forum. An anti Palestine post on here produced the predictable response.
Well. If that's why you posted, then technically, that's trolling.
Just about everyone will say they're not trolling when they do this, but that's what it is.
Yes, I've noticed anti-Zionism among my fellow conspiracy connoisseurs. I also have a problem with the aggressive, expansionist form of Zionism. Early on, the state of Israel faced a policy choice: security or expansionism. You can't have both. Everyone knew that from Day One. Well, as you know, they went the expansionist route.
I don't think I know enough about the essence of Zionism to say whether or not I have a problem with it at its core. Maybe you can help me with that. From a distance, I feel suspicious of the Balfour declaration in the first place. On the face of it, it seems as if the writer claims the authority to give away somebody else's territory. There's probably a different take on it.
Also, from this distance, and again I don't know enough details, I don't like it when any government discriminates on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, and so on. And it seems as if Israel does a lot of that to the Palestinians. The whole citizenship thing bugs me. But maybe nothing can be done about that except a 2-state solution. I prefer one state where everyone has equal rights, but what do I know?
Anyway, yes, I've noticed anti-Zionism here, which in principle doesn't bother me. I sympathize with it. But too often (not necessarily here but in other conspiracy circles), I see people promulgating outright hatred of Jews. This is NOT ok with me and I do NOT sympathize with it! It mystifies me. They may say it's Zionism they object to, but when they talk, it's Jew-this and Jew-that. Sometimes I wonder if those people are plants trying to make critics of Israeli policy look bad.
So those are my thoughts, FWIW. Maybe nothing.
Hey, check it out, I got a downvote for saying people could use more spirituality in their private lives. Was that you? Just curious. I often get downvotes for saying something like that, and I wonder what the reasoning is. Is it an atheist who feels compelled to thumbs-down any expression of spiritual sentiment, no matter how mild? As if the downvote button is there to signal "I personally believe a different thing." Well, whatever, it's just fake karma.
Maybe its because you defended Israel. You really think im behind it.
How is Israel going to expand. They are surrounded by muslims taught to hate Jews from birth. They havent expanded very much have they. Got a long way to go before they take over the world.
No, I didn't think you downvoted me, and I wouldn't blame you if you did. I just always get curious about why, so I asked.
If I understand you right, I might get disapproval here just for saying I don't want to wipe Israel off the map? Like, let's go ahead and keep Israel? I don't disbelieve you. I just wouldn't have thought of that because my opinion seems so... bland. Like extremely moderate. It's funny to me that anyone would get offended by the most inoffensive position I can think of.
Anyway, I read you wrong, and I apologize. I thought you were setting me up for the whole "you want to destroy all Jews" straw man. I've experienced that so many times that I thought I saw it coming sure as anything. But it sounds like you were genuinely surprised that I didn't want to destroy Israel.
Man, it's sad when we have such low expectations of a conversation.
Well, I don't want to argue about whether or not Israel has pursued an expansionist policy. I'm satisfied to say it seems that way to me, and I'll reexamine that opinion with your viewpoint in mind.
It's funny you say that Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from birth. The last one I was really friends with picked a Jewish neighborhood to live in because he liked Jews and said they make good neighbors. Maybe he's an anomaly, but I dunno.
You are definately more likely to get anonymous votes down by making any statement that can in any way be interpereted as sympathetic to israel or zionism, than for complaining about industrial civilization. Just MY view though.
Many people here believe Israel has no right to exist. Many believe there were no 911 hijackers. They think zionists made up 19 arabic names just so they could blame muslims. Etc etc and on and on, exactly the same approach to every issue in the world. Its a morass to wade through every day.
the palestinian liberation is a collateral bonus to the zealous pursuit and elimination of an archontic evil which has crystallized here in our time. Israel probably isn't even the final theater. It's just a place to find clues and clean
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7 Guh99 2016-08-04
You're funny Goy. Keep supporting the cause
7 MKULTRAserialkillers 2016-08-04
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/israeli-palestinian-relations/wikileaks-israel-actively-supported-hamas-6980
Racist Israeli laws against Palestinians:http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/02/israel-racism-law-160224111623370.html
I could go on, but you aren't being real.
3 vts845 2016-08-04
and i support you to duck yourself
2 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-08-04
I support him to go slide down a 100' razor blade.
3 5arge 2016-08-04
Get a job.
-2 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
U get a job
3 [deleted] 2016-08-04
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-3 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
I actually earn a bonus for every Gazan child i shoot. So i have plenty of schekels.
1 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
No sense of humour on here.
3 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-08-04
http://documentaryheaven.com/louis-theroux-the-ultra-zionists/
Zionists are the scum of the earth.
2 MKULTRAserialkillers 2016-08-04
I think that's the one where the Jewish farmer is laughing at the Christian Zionists who travel from around the world to work his fields for free...
2 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-08-04
It is. I had to laugh also, at their complete stupidity. I think they paid for the privilege, in fact, for the whole trip. Funny, they aren't even supposed to be clean enough to touch the grapes, but the jews aren't going to do actual work.
2 MKULTRAserialkillers 2016-08-04
Oh yeah I forgot about that!
I saw a really good Doc on the Israeli apartheid state made by a jewish woman that i thought was really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIyJpW4F_1M
2 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-08-04
Thanks, I'll have to check that out.
1 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
That looks fun. Ill have to watch that.
3 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
Who destroyed Palestine?
0 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Nobody
2 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
Your theory is parsimonious. I'll give it that.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2016-08-04
This is a shitpost and violates rule one. Further violations will result in a ban.
2 yellowsnow2 2016-08-04
You are surprised that people would fight back against being oppressed? You are surprised people would hate their oppressors? They should just hand over all their land and live in the concentration camp happily right?
-2 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Israel is a tiny country and Muslims have lots of land
4 yellowsnow2 2016-08-04
I have a tiny yard and my neighbor has a large yard. Does that give me the right to take my neighbor's yard?
If they were real Jews they would not covet their neighbor's house, not steal, and not murder.
2 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-08-04
Israelis have become nazis, and aren't even ashamed of it.
1 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
Then the US shouldn't mind if, say, Cuba takes over Florida. Or maybe you would let Mexico take back California.
1 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Then why only claim half of Israel back
1 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
I guess I forgot the part where I said I wanted to take any part of Israel back. Could you refresh my memory?
1 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
You dont want to wipe out Israel?
Do you accept its existence?
2 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
How fucking dare you assume that I or anyone wants to "wipe out Israel?"
Do you think this is a new trick we haven't seen before?
We know how it goes. Anyone who criticizes the expansionist policies of the Israeli government, you slander and vilify as wanting to "wipe out Israel," which is to say "wipe out the Israeli people," which is to say "wipe out the Jews." Therefore, anyone who criticizes Israeli policy, you think you're justified in calling them a genocidist equivalent to Hitler.
Pure lowlife smear tactic right out of the Intro to Counterintelligence textbook. Isn't that true? Don't answer. Everyone here knows it is.
How about if I call on all states to abide by international law and norms of state conduct as established by agreements to which ALL PARTIES are signatory? Oh, that's much too hard. So you're going to find it necessary to construct some elaborate rhetorical device by which you can equate that suggestion with genocide. Isn't that right? Go ahead. Let's see if I called it.
Tell your friends they need to send a better hatchet man. You suck at this.
0 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Why does it matter so much anyway. Its a small part of the world nobody should care about. There is still too much focus on religion in this world.
0 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
I sympathize. Religion doesn't belong in the affairs of state.
At the same time, I think there's not enough religion in the world. And by that I mean in people's private lives. And by religion I don't just mean empty outer forms but a true and life sustaining spiritual path. Industrial civilization seems to know or care only about the material world. We've lost the old spiritual ways, and I'm firmly convinced that we suffer for that very conspicuously.
As for the Israel - Palestine question, it's very significant, but it's not my usual thing. You brought it up! :-)
Me, I have no desire whatsoever to wipe anyone off of any map!
0 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Thats wonderful.
I did bring it up. But then youll remember that anti zionism is a constant feature of the forum. An anti Palestine post on here produced the predictable response.
2 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
Well. If that's why you posted, then technically, that's trolling.
Just about everyone will say they're not trolling when they do this, but that's what it is.
Yes, I've noticed anti-Zionism among my fellow conspiracy connoisseurs. I also have a problem with the aggressive, expansionist form of Zionism. Early on, the state of Israel faced a policy choice: security or expansionism. You can't have both. Everyone knew that from Day One. Well, as you know, they went the expansionist route.
I don't think I know enough about the essence of Zionism to say whether or not I have a problem with it at its core. Maybe you can help me with that. From a distance, I feel suspicious of the Balfour declaration in the first place. On the face of it, it seems as if the writer claims the authority to give away somebody else's territory. There's probably a different take on it.
Also, from this distance, and again I don't know enough details, I don't like it when any government discriminates on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, and so on. And it seems as if Israel does a lot of that to the Palestinians. The whole citizenship thing bugs me. But maybe nothing can be done about that except a 2-state solution. I prefer one state where everyone has equal rights, but what do I know?
Anyway, yes, I've noticed anti-Zionism here, which in principle doesn't bother me. I sympathize with it. But too often (not necessarily here but in other conspiracy circles), I see people promulgating outright hatred of Jews. This is NOT ok with me and I do NOT sympathize with it! It mystifies me. They may say it's Zionism they object to, but when they talk, it's Jew-this and Jew-that. Sometimes I wonder if those people are plants trying to make critics of Israeli policy look bad.
So those are my thoughts, FWIW. Maybe nothing.
Hey, check it out, I got a downvote for saying people could use more spirituality in their private lives. Was that you? Just curious. I often get downvotes for saying something like that, and I wonder what the reasoning is. Is it an atheist who feels compelled to thumbs-down any expression of spiritual sentiment, no matter how mild? As if the downvote button is there to signal "I personally believe a different thing." Well, whatever, it's just fake karma.
0 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
Maybe its because you defended Israel. You really think im behind it.
How is Israel going to expand. They are surrounded by muslims taught to hate Jews from birth. They havent expanded very much have they. Got a long way to go before they take over the world.
Trolling has no definition.
1 bubomaximus 2016-08-04
No, I didn't think you downvoted me, and I wouldn't blame you if you did. I just always get curious about why, so I asked.
If I understand you right, I might get disapproval here just for saying I don't want to wipe Israel off the map? Like, let's go ahead and keep Israel? I don't disbelieve you. I just wouldn't have thought of that because my opinion seems so... bland. Like extremely moderate. It's funny to me that anyone would get offended by the most inoffensive position I can think of.
Anyway, I read you wrong, and I apologize. I thought you were setting me up for the whole "you want to destroy all Jews" straw man. I've experienced that so many times that I thought I saw it coming sure as anything. But it sounds like you were genuinely surprised that I didn't want to destroy Israel.
Man, it's sad when we have such low expectations of a conversation.
Well, I don't want to argue about whether or not Israel has pursued an expansionist policy. I'm satisfied to say it seems that way to me, and I'll reexamine that opinion with your viewpoint in mind.
It's funny you say that Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from birth. The last one I was really friends with picked a Jewish neighborhood to live in because he liked Jews and said they make good neighbors. Maybe he's an anomaly, but I dunno.
2 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
You are definately more likely to get anonymous votes down by making any statement that can in any way be interpereted as sympathetic to israel or zionism, than for complaining about industrial civilization. Just MY view though.
Many people here believe Israel has no right to exist. Many believe there were no 911 hijackers. They think zionists made up 19 arabic names just so they could blame muslims. Etc etc and on and on, exactly the same approach to every issue in the world. Its a morass to wade through every day.
1 canihaveahint 2016-08-04
the palestinian liberation is a collateral bonus to the zealous pursuit and elimination of an archontic evil which has crystallized here in our time. Israel probably isn't even the final theater. It's just a place to find clues and clean
1 OhGorg 2016-08-04
I'll just leave this right here.
https://www.popularresistance.org/chomsky-israels-west-bank-plans-leave-palestinians-very-little/
-3 Non-equilibrium 2016-08-04
I actually earn a bonus for every Gazan child i shoot. So i have plenty of schekels.