taxes are legalized plunder.

there's no other option left but to purge these fascists and their families.

Sadly, the government has cronies who create money out of thin air at our expense, and the resulting inflation is a tax we can't do anything about.

We can do a lot about it. It just wouldn't be easy is all.

Yes. We should. We would have to all do it together, however, and not in any sort of "Okay. You first." manner.

Tell that to Michael Hastings and Christopher Dorner.

I'm all for it, but I don't imagine too many people want to be left hanging and on their own when SHTF.

Not Killary victims, but people who tried to fight TPTB and got killed for their efforts nonetheless.

I don't fear death itself either. I'd just rather not meet up with it unnecessarily if I don't have to. I'd rather be able to make a difference intelligently rather than go gun ho w/no plan and no backup and get stopped dead for my efforts in the process.

If I have a choice between fighting the powers intelligently and making a difference or fighting them un-intelligently, then of course I'd rather chose the former to the latter.

It can indeed be peaceful - and should be peaceful. However, tptb will absolutely pull out their guns and start shooting if they get even half the opportunity. They'll make sure and NOT make it peaceful.

We are a little more mature now.

tptb certainly aren't, bro. They're not mature in that sense at all. It's all about guns and war and killing and violence with them.

The people, however, outnumber them and can show tptb that OUR level of peace can overwhelm their level of violence.

Again, however, we would all have to come together as one in order to make something like that work.

Correct and agreed, sir. Yes.

I'm already a year behind! Wait is this the IRS?

Taxes don't fund government, they pay interest on the debt.

The government is funded by the Federal Reserve banks.

No taxes = Federal Reserve army after your ass.

We have to end the magic money printing / loaning machines and stop bank bailouts. Taxes are just meant to drop our living standards, they are irrelevant.

Link please.

It's a little troubling that you've linked a 12 minute youtube video instead of a scholarly article. And you somehow think this will solve all our problems.

Gifting. Sounds nice in theory -- if everyone gave everything away for free then surely things would improve! Except that would lead to an incredibly inefficient allocation of resources. Think about demand economies where workers aren't incentivized because there efforts are rewarded proportionally with pay-out that they get i.e. no profits. It leads to workers doing the bare minimum, commune leaders lying to central authorities, nearly empty shelves and an incredibly inefficient production process all around. That's what happens when people get paid a regular wage; how do you think people will act when they aren't paid at all?

What incentive do I have to work if people will be gifting me stuff? You might say: "sure, if people are gifting me stuff and I want to continue getting gifts, then I have work!" If that's the case, then what's the difference from getting paid with money? The only thing I can think of are locally distorted prices due to inefficient liquidity and market separation.

The more we output, the more we get. That alone is very motivating.

That's already true and apparent. That's why people work in the first place.

Second, you work only your passions and switch jobs anytime with a 2 week notice.

That sounds terrible. I don't want you anywhere near my work or you might do some serious damage. Tell me, would you trust yourself to perform risky surgery?

Third, the elite are taking huge chunks of our work for themselves.

Let me get this straight, you expect "the elite" to share profits on a business that you never invested into in the first place?

You stop working, your income stream stops. I stop working, my income stream stops AND I LOSE MONEY.

This here is the major problem and why money will never work.

I'm sorry to say this but you're a fucking idiot. Commercialization and increasingly activist governments in monetary policy has directly lead to the liberalization of society and the uplifting of the have-nots into what we now call "the middle class." Literally none of that would have been possible if not for finance and you would still be farming the same plot of land that your ancestors before you farmed instead of bitching on the internet.

Our fate will change from the choices of the elite and revert back into self responsibility.

That's a nice, easy way to distribute responsibility, isn't it? The "elites" are baddies that interfere with your quality of life!

You are already responsible for yourself and ALL of your work. If you want to be rewarded, earn some money and invest in a business. Let's see how you handle that shit because, kid, you need some perspective.

Is that motivation enough? Fear nothing my friend. Fear is all that holds us back. We need to move now.

You're preaching to the choir and indeed the reason you speak about fear is because your very perspective is dominated by fear.

Things are already moving, you're just now realizing it. Except you want everyone to give you free stuff.

Tell me, what happens to your system when someone understands but disagrees with your motivations and doesn't want to cooperate?

No no. Most of our output is going to the 1%. We barely get anything back.

What's your point? Labor is worth less and less and capital worth more and more -- this is a naturally, efficient outcome arising from increasingly better technology e.g. automation and has honestly nothing to do with your bigoted view of "elites leeching off us." No what? Seriously, what are you saying "no" to?

Follow your passion but qualifications are still necessary.

How is that so different from the current system?

This system is killing us.

I've just now realized (perhaps admitted to myself) you're woefully unequipped to have this conversation. I'm going to keep responding to the rest of this post but I will discontinue further contact with you because you don't understand the other side of your position well enough to debate it. "Big red dogs are the fucking solution to world hunger." That's what you sound like to me.

It's time for a change. We don't need any of the old models. We need a brand new model and sacred economics is a great one.

I agree that we need a new model but sacred economics isn't a great one, not at all, because the only thing that you've done is transferred ALL present consumption to future consumption. If you don't have money then the only thing you have is credit. Credit is just debt from the other side and natural outcome of "sacred economics" will be an accumulation of debt by the best gift givers eventually reverting to a form of feudalism. In fact, that might be how feudalism came about in the first place.

Another important point is that we are all responsible for each other.

Absolutely! That's the way you want it to be but that's not the way that all people think. What if they disagree with you? You going to force a gun to their head or eject them out of utopia? You can't force people to be a way that they don't want to be -- that's why communism failed so spectacularly. That doesn't mean communism is necessarily a bad economic model but the technology/culture of the time doesn't allow it to work.

When the people don't have purchase power, the entire economy crashes.

Well, that's not necessarily true because purchasing power is normalized to per unit currency. What you're really griping with is a lack of income to consume with, in which case, you should either be trying to stimulate demand or, in my opinion, trying to address the fundamental problems associated with "consumption based on income" in a world where income (cost from the other side) continues to decrease.

If not for your fellow Americans, what about your children and grandchildren. At the very least, think about their futures. If not, crime pays well and this country will turn into Mexico.

What are you talking about? Your emotional rhetoric underscores AND highlights your shallow thinking. If you really want to change the world, learn what the fuck you're talking about before preaching to others because I assure you, you're either going to create a deluded mass of followers or a visceral contrarian reaction to your bullshit, neither of which will help our children and grandchildren.

Wake up out of the insanity. You might be doing well now, but you are still in an Oligarphy that wants to suck your wealth dry and eventually will.

Wealth isn't a zero-sum game; the only reason it appears that way is because the wealthy have more avenues of opportunity due to increasing technological vectors. As they become unburdened by labor costs, they have access to more opportunities while the working class has fewer opportunities due to lower demand for labor. They aren't stealing your money, you're giving it to them without the ability to make it back. Honestly, you are creating enemies where there need be none. In the aggregate, people are generally rational and it isn't their fault that they are pursuing the optimal path; policy just isn't catching up fast enough.

P.S. -- it's Oligarchy

Taxes are for the purpose of maintaining public goods -- for example, the military and/or welfare programs. Neither venture is profitable so no rational actor would invest money; without money, neither of these ventures could exist but they are arguably necessary for a well-functioning society. How do you propose to pay for "public goods" if not for taxes?

In other words, why do you think they are irrelevant?

this is simply not true. taxation goes towards the interest on the national debt and nothing else (profits for banks which create it). Inflation of the entire monetary pool each year is enough to pay for any public service, such as the ones that do not get provided.

What isn't true? Are you saying that taxes aren't used to pay for public goods?

That if we stop paying taxes that things will magically get better?

We're boned folks. Game over man, game over.

Stop buying their stuff. Then their money has no value

Correct and agreed, sir. Yes.