What's more intelligent and likely to work in our favor? Getting goaded info a fight with a prepared enemy who desires a fight or preparing defenses while refusing to engage that enemy?

I’d say the latter - but I’d also say that it doesn’t look like enough of us are sufficiently “preparing defenses”. Don’t misunderstand now. I am most definitely NOT advocating for any type of “violent chaos” type of scenario. That’s stupid and would most definitely not work. No way am I now nor have I ever advocated for that.

I’m talking about us coming together and simply not supporting the system, among other things.

Non compliance, civil disobedience while exercising your right to self defense will leave these parasitic assholes no clear win strategy.

We are saying exactly the same thing. This is exactly what I’m talking about. However, I’m not sure how many of us are truly doing this. I think there needs to be some solidarity in this - the citizenry communicating with each other so that ALL OF US know that we’re all doing this…and stand up for those others of us that are getting bullied by TPTB while we continue to try to stand up for our rights.

Again, we’re basically saying the same thing, and I agree w/what you said here.

Decentralized and focused on a common goal of self determination we would be unbeatable.

Yes, but we need a greater level of intelligence in the citizenry for that. Decentralization only works if the decentralized are intelligent enough to wisely manage themselves - and that requires the development of more skills, more wisdom, more intelligence amongst those interested in decentralization.

That's why they spend so much time and effort in weakening our minds and dividing us by or differences.

Correct. They’re aware of the power that lies in a movement based upon the philosophy you stated above here.

They have unlimited financial resources and unprecedented control of information. Getting an organised "war party" assembled under those circumstances is literally impossible.

Not if that war party fights by “Non compliance, civil disobedience while exercising your right to self defense”.

Instead the alternative community should focus on educating the common people about their rights, encourage them to be brave in their families defense, and teach them how to live without dependence on government.

Again, we’re saying exactly the same thing. Perhaps it was not sufficiently clear that I’m advocating for something like this as well in my OP.

We should all be leaders by example. We know what they're doing, we have that knowledge. Why are aren’t we collectively using the knowledge to produce content for ourselves to consume?

Fully agreed.

All I'm saying is fuck pointing this shit out to as we say "sheep" and start herding them in the right direction.

Agreed, but part of how you start herding them/us in the right direction is by pointing it out.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. It ultimately buoys the point that I made above in my OP.

Well...Although you may have meant it as a rant, I didn't really so much interpret it as that so much as it seemed like a statement that goes along with the general idea of what I initially posted.

I just read what you posted and was like "Yeah. Exactly. This is what I'm talking about." - or close enough to it.

The misinterpretation on my end came from thinking you were advocating armed revolution or something.

I'm advocating, as you are advocating: Non compliance, civil disobedience while exercising your right to self defense

The first part of that statement means that the main goal is to peacefully become a free people that aren't getting manipulated by a nefarious covert force. The second part of that statement, however, means that if the antagonizing force does not stop antagonizing, then it must be MADE to stop antagonizing - by any means necessary.

Perhaps you may be right. However, this doesn't mean that we must stay that way - especially if we have the knowledge of the fact that A) we were/might have been engineered to be submissive and B) our being this way makes it very easy to manipulate us and take advantage of us at great cost to our lives.

If we wish to not continue to be taken advantage of (and I imagine many of us don't like to be taken advantage of), then it would seem that we should take the necessary steps to break OUT of this "engineered submissiveness".

Yes. Correct. We have to come together and organize sufficiently to make mass, collective protests happen that actually WORK and aren't chaotic cesspools of moronic violence. We have to be concerted, strong enough, and organized enough so that we can stand against the ptb goons' police's eventual/inevitable decent into violence against the citizenry in the face of a mass protest. It will happen - the batons and the water canons will come out - because that's what they do. We can't let that keep a mass protest from still moving forward, however.

Problem with protests: agent provocateur causing mayhem.

Correct. This is why solidarity and communication amongst those moving forward is very important.

America is far too divided to hold any sort of large protest without he'll breaking loose

I wouldn't disagree with the idea that American citizens would have definite problems in all coming together. Yes. However, as far as "hell breaking loose"? I wouldn't say that that's any sort of "inevitable" consequence of American citizens coming together.

I understand that this country is very divided. Yes. TPTB have definitely made sure to foment all kinds of racial dissent, etc in order to keep us separated and apart from one another. However, it seems that many of us have a very common ground in that we are all expendable subjects of a manipulative financial elite.

We are manipulated and kept apart and at each other's throats - racially and otherwise. The more we realize that this is the case, the more we can fight against it and move forward as the united people we indeed are.

I'm not pretending it's easy, but the alternative is to continue getting taken advantage of as we have been.

Well yeah. Most definitely. I said in a few paragraphs what you just said in a few, terse words.

We need to stop being such dumb, stubborn cunts because it's our being dumb, stubborn cunts that's ensuring that we keep being led astray and keep getting massively taken advantage of.

We're definitely not disagreeing here.

Perhaps...but if so...well, we're a choir that's kind of stuck sitting on our pews. I understand that actually getting up and doing something is very not easy, takes a lot of character, a lot of strength, and a lot of courage - especially when you might not know if others will stand up and support you and be with you in your efforts - but, well...it seems the time is pretty much nigh for people to stop "wondering if 911 was an inside job" or not. It's time to stop trying to come up with more and more "damning evidence".

The shit is known. It most definitely was an inside job. 100%. We have to move past the "was it an inside job or not?" stage and go into the stage that says "now that we all know that it most definitely was an inside job and that our very own government and institutions don't care about us and kill us, what the hell do we need to start doing about it together so that we can start keeping this shit from continuing to happen?"

We need to start moving to step two now, and even this choir here needs reminding of that because even we - with all the information we have and with all we supposedly (and actually) know - even we aren't moving forward with the information we have toward the next steps that need to be taken if we are to keep ourselves from continuing to be the horribly expendable fodder tptb most definitely see us as.

Not bad suggestions. Thanks.

Most definitely. Been working on that very thing for quite a while now.

I can’t say I don’t entirely understand what you’re saying here.

I see a lot of this ranting going on, but no one ever suggesting what we do after.

How about us putting down the faux racist indoctrination that’s been brainwashed into us and all coming together and moving against the manipulation that’s been put over our heads?

How’s that for a suggestion?

You don't have a plan by any chance do you?

Of course I do. To have a plan and to have a few million people willing to implement it are two different things, however.

What system are we moving to in your mind?

We’re moving into a shit system. Same one we’ve been in for a long time now. What system I’d like us to move into is quite a different one altogether, however.

What system are you going to put in place after we've successfully unshackled ourselves?

You don’t have any idea of that? Nothing comes to your mind? You don’t know the first thing about the manipulation and the theft and fraud that’s overcome this country and planet that needs to be done away with? Really?

Or are we all just gonna sit and gloat in the ashes til we starve to death?

What ashes?

I refuse to be the useful idiot who's righteous fury is burnt out, all just to consolidate the power for our next overlords.

What are you doing now though? So long as you (and me and the rest of us) stay in this system as it stands, you most definitely are being the useful idiot…but with zero “righteous fury” to burn out one way or the other. You’re just sitting there…like me, like so many of us (all of us, it seems)…doing either nothing, or not nearly enough.

So I come on here and post an OP that’s at least trying to invite some sort of ideas that can possibly spark some possibilities, but your idea is to respond with critical vitriol that does all of nothing to contribute.

So which one of us is at least trying to help, and which one of us is coming here shooting things down? Which one is ultimately helping more here?

You mistook what I was trying to do, and the attempt at pining to Cunningham's law looks more like a cop out than anything else. Regardless, the fact that you ignored what I clearly posted as some answers readily illustrates that you're interested in simply attempting to be antagonistic, which is something not worth continuing to respond to.

Of course, you'll likely misinterpret that too.

But please carry on telling everyone to get out in the streets and yell at the sky.

If you think that's what I'm even suggesting, then what you need is a reading comprehension and a critical thinking course a LOT more than anything else you might be taking.

Ultimately, you just made yourself look extremely stupid. Thanks for showing your hand, though. I see a really good future for you as the next, garden variety CNN propaganda-pushing puppet.

The reading comprehension just continues to plummet and plummet. How exactly do you plan to be able to actually function in the world - professionally or otherwise - when you are so myopically misguided? Is it on purpose that you do it or are you just that clueless?

Hope you enjoyed typing out all that out and thinking it was going to get read.

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't.

I'm all for textual communication - I can tend to do it a lot - but mostly when it's under circumstances that aren't unnecessarily antagonistic. I much prefer idea-sharing under the auspices of respectful communication rather than anyone trying to "one up" each other.

I honestly didn't really pay much attention to the other posts in the thread you linked. The one comment you did link me to, however, was quite appreciated, and echoed some of my own sentiments on the issue. I responded to that user letting him/her know that much as well.

Agreed, but it seems we're long passed the point of just saying it's treason or trying to explain to others that that's what it was.

Are we not at the point where we need to begin ACTING upon the fact that we are ruled and governed by a treasonous bunch of vipers that care not for the well-being of the people they're supposed to help?

Should we not begin helping each other INDEPENDENT of these political, governmental, corporate monoliths?

And we the sheep won’t do anything about it? We know this is what they do, yet we let them do it? We let them keep being the evil criminals you just correctly called them out as being?

Really?

So then what are you saying? What can your statement be interpreted as saying?

“Look. We’re sheep. We can’t do anything. They’re wolves. They’re evil. They’re badass. We suck. We can’t do anything but just sit here and keep taking it.”

Fuck that, man. Don’t be like that or say that or think like that.

I personally think it’s ultimately much better to be the frog than to just lie down and take the obvious ass punishment we’re getting.

Well yeah. Most definitely. I said in a few paragraphs what you just said in a few, terse words.

We need to stop being such dumb, stubborn cunts because it's our being dumb, stubborn cunts that's ensuring that we keep being led astray and keep getting massively taken advantage of.

We're definitely not disagreeing here.