You've got all these Hillary supporters taking video with their phones but I can't find a single one online. Not one person uploaded what they recorded at this event to social media? Someone prove me wrong please.
https://youtu.be/h9PiJHRIV9I ... Here it is guys. Definitely a faked background. Notice this room matches what is in the phone screens - balcony and all. What's going on here? Blocking people for some reason?
I wonder if they are doing this because of her medical condition? It would be to stressfull for her to do a real rally and should would get a seizure or something.
Agreed. My guess is that they are having a live rally and a recorded rally so if she does spaz out during a live rally they can show the masses via tv/internet a reenactment of the event without anything that could hurt her "healthy image".
What background? I see nothing fake in this video you posted. And reflecting what we see here to the OP video, the original is just filmed with a high zoom lens to bring the US flag behind Hillary that big while from any other angle or with a wide angle lens it would not look like that.
He is saying this is a legit video and the one the OP has posted shows obvious signs of CGI or green screen work. Zen only confirms there is something going on as there is nothing like that going on in the video he found.
What CGI signs? We see the phones filming and those match well with the second angle video. Also the official cam can now be better understood, to my eye it shows exactly the right things too when compared with the second angle. Just a high zoom lens, showing such a small and flattened view.
Decompression artifact. Around 2min prior to that there is a similar error where large parts of the image are repeated vertically from top to bottom, and in the disappearance that happens again, just more and the stripes are repeated from top to bottom. There are plenty of error examples in the video to see.
Edit: and this is my last reply to this insignificant matter where I have spent too many hours answering already =) Other streams did not have Hillary disappearing, wonder why that is. See my post history for links.
I will read your reply anyway of course. Even in the case this was filmed in front of a green screen or some parts are CGI, what is the point of this all? That her medical condition is bad? Or even that she's dead and now CGI ;)
I'll be honest I'm not seeing it either. I do believe Clinton is liferally a pile of bullshit and lies, but honestly, I've worked plenty with film and video editing, and I don't see any green screen work. It could just be due to the fact that I'm on my phone, so enhancing on an actual desktop might help, but still...
The only thing that weirds me out is the phones. Firstly, at least with the handful of talks I've seen on TV, fuckin... there are never that many phones out at once. Looks like everyone is recording with their HD smart phone. Not to mention the exposure on every screen happens to be set almost identical and the camera recording the event isn't experiencing any issues with their screens or viewing angles... THAT'S what bugs me. The phones are fucky.
Most keep their phone screens and camera on auto settings so I think it's no wonder they look closely the same. The zoom lens on the TV cam too makes it seem almost everyone is filming, but I see that as an effect of the lens flattening any depth.
But yeah, I agree there are quite many of them despite the above, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were told to film. For wharever reason
Could you be more specific? Her hair great for green screens, not fuzzy or anything, but other than that I could not see any artifacts even when she walked behind the prompter - took a look frame by frame too.
Also if you watch the second angle video her movements match 1:1 as far as I can see.
And to be clear I'm not trying to defend her. This instance just does not seem like a part of a conspiracy to me.
Are you looking at it on a computer monitor? The first time I watched it was on my own computer and it was blatantly obvious. I watched it on my moms computer and it seemed like the whole video was much lower quality. Not sure if it was a lower quality screen, internet, etc. or the conspiracy theorist inside of me thinks youtube could have lowered the quality so its harder to tell lol. Probably just a different screen
I don't put much stock in a lot of the stuff on the site I've just linked, but if you watch the version linked there, you can see her start glitching out around 19:30 into the video, and not long after 20:30 you can see her totally disappear for a second while the background stays intact.
Conspiracy theories are fun, but this is some real messed up stuff.
I didn't watch a few seconds long enough last time, indeed she does disappear, but why does this not happen in the original stream, just on the ABC15 one? While she does disappear, it still looks like compression artifacts, just like the ones prior to the disappearance at 20:51, where parts of the image is repeated vertically, thus stretching the flag stripes over her. Then as she moves, the colors keep stuck to her movements just like they should in such an error scenario.
See https://youtu.be/RQ7PJpQ7cRA?t=2888 too, no disappearance or any other of these artifacts that might have happened when ABC15 decoded the stream.
Edit: what is your thinking about this, assuming she is in front of a green screen and it glitches out? More proof of her medical condition or of something else? If the hall she's making the speech is real and she's there as can be seen from the other angle (among other angles that are available I would assume, though have not searched), and if the striped background (flag I assume) is actually green or otherwise manipulated, would that mean something?
Just trying to grasp what is the possible conspiracy here in case the glitches are what some think they are - not just compression errors.
What you see there is compression artifacts, not green screen artifacts. She does not disappear in a way that it would reveal the background. Pause on and walk frame by frame on the messed up parts and you see how the colors of the flag do go all over her, but in a smeary way, not in a revealing way. The colors of the stripes for example stay attached to her arms, but when crossing the stripe boundary it does not change color from white to red. Just compression artifacts this time from what I can see. Another thing is that the background is motionless and the encoders use motion for not needing to encode color data to each frame, thus you don't see almost no glitches on the flag but only on things that update on each frame.
Modern video compression is quite sophisticated, analyzing the imaged into objects, movements, etc. So in a way it is doing "CGI" on images all the time to compress them, so when there are errors they can manifest with objects disappearing and what you see here. (not directed at you specifically, just anyone reading not familiar with MPEG etc.).
This looks pretty good, in terms of her clothes are the right color and stuff but it is very odd that the background would be that fabricated. I mean it is pretty clearly a greenscreen and the waving.
NEW CONSPIRACY: It was real rally, and then they edited the video for a greater purpose
yeah, something is definitely amiss, and the green screen idea is growing on me. As I watch I just get such a "canned" feeling about the whole thing, it just doesn't sound like theres the correct atmospheric background noise, n the crowd's response is so even as if it was achieved with a dial or something. How can anyone believe any of this shit the Elite/Illuminati is forcing through, via mASS media anymore? Glad I don't own a tv,
Yupp it's the vibe or aura of the whole thing. It just feels off.
Also, too many people with camera phones taking pics. That's. Not realistic. And someone with a tablet? Lol
Look at social media engagement too. Trump blows her away on FB and Twitter in terms of fans AND likes/engagement on every post. 5:1. The establishment wants the world to think that she is loved (and Trump is hated) by the majority of Americans. But hard stats show otherwise.
I think very few people are pro-Hillary, but there are many many people who are anti-Trump. That's where her polling numbers come from. No one actually wants her to be president, many just prefer her to the alternative.
100 likes 700 thumbs down - that's the story right there. She has no real support. Also listen to her at 23:40 - she's so GD disingenuous it's pathetic.
Green screen? Eh I don't think so - phones are too out of focus to be definitive. Green screens used for the Orlando shooting PsyOp hoax were much more obvious.
Someone in comments said look at her wave at the wall behind her at 23:35 or so --- she's clearly waving not directly behind her but behind her and to the left where there is a (probably paid for) group of people.
Green screen? No.
Totally fabricated event and support?
I really dont get how anyone tries to deny the green screen. Try pulling it up on a computer monitor where you can enlarge it. The edges of her body are very obvious.
Also love the bit where they start chanting her name. Its funny because no one really loves her.
I'm on my phone. I can tell the atmospheric perspective is being manipulated in a way that a camera lense can't produce. Look at the edges of the camera phone screens verses the lack of sharpness in detail of everything else in that plane. The renderers lost the forest for the trees. This is basic art 201 stuff. Can't they afford better audio visual shills?
Maybe I'm just having trouble understanding what I'm seeing, but look at the phone screens of people recording (in the first minute). It seems that the phones are showing similar scenes, but nothing that looks like the background in the youtube. I'm not seeing the hanging flags in the phones. And I am seeing some blue or green rectangle in the phone that I'm not seeing in the background.
Apparently she also used a green screen for a speech in Reno, NV too. In that one, it shows people recording videos of her on stage, directly in front of them, with a similar american flag background, and the phones do not show flags at all.
You can see in the phone screens that are facing her as she's entering the area have the bright blue logo that's on the podium. The problem is that she is at ground level coming from the far right of the stage.
The "angles and perspective" excuse is laughable. The phones are showing exactly what the crowd is recording, not our birds eye perspective. They are fucking with us, seeing what they can get away with, and with a dumbed down populace, CTR, and the DNC, it is clear that they can get away with anything.
Its pretty much just the beginning couple minutes. Whoever the fuck announce her and she walks in. Thats where you see people "recording videos" and the transition of her walking onto the stage is where the green screen is most obvious.
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The images on the phone were preloaded onto the screen. They're not actually taking a picture of anything, they're just holding up their phone so it looks like they are.
I am just a guy from germany following the US election campaign and I have to admit I was partly convinced at first that the accusations are true and there is indeed something fishy about this particular rally.
Ofc I digged deeper into it because it was just to crazy to be true, and I am thankful for your explanation. In my opinion you should be upvoted because you have a point here, people jump fast to conclusions without questioning, it is rather scary to be honest.
Nonetheless, I think the whole battle for the "throne" is rather entertaining, and it feels sureal. As an european I struggle to wrap my head arround how this whole shitshow is even possible in an country refering themselfes as the leaders of the free world. It feels like watching a movie rather then a serious political race, but then again it is the US, I guess. Sry for any grammar/ spelling mistakes, cheers.
I think it could be staged but not greenscreened necessarily. Staged to show this crowd indoors. I mean how many people are in that room? Shouldn't a Hillary rally have at least 5000 attendees?
Shouldn't a Hillary rally have at least 5000 attendees?
Not even close. We attended one of her rallies to see how big a farce they are and we weren't disappointed.
The rally we attended literally took place on an auxiliary basketball court. Even with that small size of a venue they still had to literally bus people in to fill up the half-court the rally was on.
Well ok, she has far less people attending. But on Tuesday, I said to myself that the only way I would believe the rally in North Carolina was genuine wad if it was held outdoors with a sizeable number of people. Well it was indoors and with far less people. But there is still potential for a staged rally.
With all this talk now about the NC rally being fake... I definitely understand how people could deduce this, but if the people inside who were waiting for her with their smartphones only numbered around 700, don't you think they could find 400 (some amount slightly less than 700) rabid Hillary fans to help stage that event? In other words, why would you need to artificially insert a crowd into that auditorium? Surely there are enough die-hard fans that would do anything for the Clinton cause even if it meant cheering for their hero when she's not even there.
Just skipped around a bit. @17:04 when she talks about not being a showman like her opponent the crowd laughs then stops abruptly.. Really strange stuff.
You can use the "angles" defense on the phone screens all you want.
People are trying to record videos of Hillary (theoretically). you cant see her on the phone screens at all just some walls. Do people really wanna record walls that badly?
You can tell the videos/phone screens are edited onto the phones themselves. Edges of the videos are slightly pixelated.
The phones arent the only thing that prove the whole thing fake. You can see pixelated/blurry edges around hillary's body.
Yeah, but it's the credibility of the sub that makes people seriously consider things like this whole greenscreen thing. Maybe once the sub loses all credibility people will actually vet the information.
We might not be able to win, but we can't lose either.
Yea this is a way far-fetched. Even if it was greenscreened, it's obviously her, and its obviously post 9/11/16. So that being the case and seeing her healthy, there's no reason for them to fake this...
Never tried to claim it wasnt her. And how is it far fetched? If you look at the details on a good resolution computer monitor you will see what everyone else is seeing. Half of the point is that it is after the 9/11 collapse. She is trying to pass herself off as fine and healthy, but cant even make a public appearance.
Or actually, shes done this before in Reno, NV. I think thats shes just not good at doing anything live, unfiltered, and honest.
Having Hillary collapse during the rally would end the election race right then and there.
By previously green screening her speech, they can record it and then play it back at the rally with 100% certainty she won't collapse since it's already a recording of her.
I wonder if they are doing this because of her medical condition? It would be to stressfull for her to do a real rally and should would get a seizure or something.
Well ok, she has far less people attending. But on Tuesday, I said to myself that the only way I would believe the rally in North Carolina was genuine wad if it was held outdoors with a sizeable number of people. Well it was indoors and with far less people. But there is still potential for a staged rally.
With all this talk now about the NC rally being fake... I definitely understand how people could deduce this, but if the people inside who were waiting for her with their smartphones only numbered around 700, don't you think they could find 400 (some amount slightly less than 700) rabid Hillary fans to help stage that event? In other words, why would you need to artificially insert a crowd into that auditorium? Surely there are enough die-hard fans that would do anything for the Clinton cause even if it meant cheering for their hero when she's not even there.
I am just a guy from germany following the US election campaign and I have to admit I was partly convinced at first that the accusations are true and there is indeed something fishy about this particular rally.
Ofc I digged deeper into it because it was just to crazy to be true, and I am thankful for your explanation. In my opinion you should be upvoted because you have a point here, people jump fast to conclusions without questioning, it is rather scary to be honest.
Nonetheless, I think the whole battle for the "throne" is rather entertaining, and it feels sureal. As an european I struggle to wrap my head arround how this whole shitshow is even possible in an country refering themselfes as the leaders of the free world. It feels like watching a movie rather then a serious political race, but then again it is the US, I guess. Sry for any grammar/ spelling mistakes, cheers.
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41 Cannedpears 2016-09-16
You've got all these Hillary supporters taking video with their phones but I can't find a single one online. Not one person uploaded what they recorded at this event to social media? Someone prove me wrong please.
22 zenslapped 2016-09-16
https://youtu.be/h9PiJHRIV9I ... Here it is guys. Definitely a faked background. Notice this room matches what is in the phone screens - balcony and all. What's going on here? Blocking people for some reason?
13 HarryParatesties 2016-09-16
It looks like it was filmed with the highest quality potato.
2 Chillypill 2016-09-16
I wonder if they are doing this because of her medical condition? It would be to stressfull for her to do a real rally and should would get a seizure or something.
Makes sense doesn't it?
2 NecrosedVales 2016-09-16
Agreed. My guess is that they are having a live rally and a recorded rally so if she does spaz out during a live rally they can show the masses via tv/internet a reenactment of the event without anything that could hurt her "healthy image".
3 holocauster-ride 2016-09-16
Or she is using a body double and they are using computers to make it look more realist IC for the TV
1 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Very possible
9 Cannedpears 2016-09-16
Thanks! Found ol' purple arms. http://imgur.com/a/ptaMG
2 rabbits_dig_deep 2016-09-16
What is the significance of the purple arms? Please elaborate.
2 Cannedpears 2016-09-16
To me, in the original video they looked as if they were CG. I guess it was the lighting.
7 murtokala 2016-09-16
What background? I see nothing fake in this video you posted. And reflecting what we see here to the OP video, the original is just filmed with a high zoom lens to bring the US flag behind Hillary that big while from any other angle or with a wide angle lens it would not look like that.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-09-16
He is saying this is a legit video and the one the OP has posted shows obvious signs of CGI or green screen work. Zen only confirms there is something going on as there is nothing like that going on in the video he found.
2 murtokala 2016-09-16
What CGI signs? We see the phones filming and those match well with the second angle video. Also the official cam can now be better understood, to my eye it shows exactly the right things too when compared with the second angle. Just a high zoom lens, showing such a small and flattened view.
2 MAK-15 2016-09-16
https://gfycat.com/ScratchyRespectfulAmericanbadger
3 murtokala 2016-09-16
Decompression artifact. Around 2min prior to that there is a similar error where large parts of the image are repeated vertically from top to bottom, and in the disappearance that happens again, just more and the stripes are repeated from top to bottom. There are plenty of error examples in the video to see.
Edit: and this is my last reply to this insignificant matter where I have spent too many hours answering already =) Other streams did not have Hillary disappearing, wonder why that is. See my post history for links.
I will read your reply anyway of course. Even in the case this was filmed in front of a green screen or some parts are CGI, what is the point of this all? That her medical condition is bad? Or even that she's dead and now CGI ;)
0 bittermanscolon 2016-09-16
Really, you don't see it? Right after she is introduced, you can't miss it around her hair, for one. You don't see it?
8 -R0SE 2016-09-16
I'll be honest I'm not seeing it either. I do believe Clinton is liferally a pile of bullshit and lies, but honestly, I've worked plenty with film and video editing, and I don't see any green screen work. It could just be due to the fact that I'm on my phone, so enhancing on an actual desktop might help, but still...
The only thing that weirds me out is the phones. Firstly, at least with the handful of talks I've seen on TV, fuckin... there are never that many phones out at once. Looks like everyone is recording with their HD smart phone. Not to mention the exposure on every screen happens to be set almost identical and the camera recording the event isn't experiencing any issues with their screens or viewing angles... THAT'S what bugs me. The phones are fucky.
3 murtokala 2016-09-16
Most keep their phone screens and camera on auto settings so I think it's no wonder they look closely the same. The zoom lens on the TV cam too makes it seem almost everyone is filming, but I see that as an effect of the lens flattening any depth.
But yeah, I agree there are quite many of them despite the above, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were told to film. For wharever reason
1 banana-meltdown 2016-09-16
Also they are trying to film Hillary but none of them are successful? Give me a break !!!
3 murtokala 2016-09-16
Could you be more specific? Her hair great for green screens, not fuzzy or anything, but other than that I could not see any artifacts even when she walked behind the prompter - took a look frame by frame too.
Also if you watch the second angle video her movements match 1:1 as far as I can see.
And to be clear I'm not trying to defend her. This instance just does not seem like a part of a conspiracy to me.
2 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Are you looking at it on a computer monitor? The first time I watched it was on my own computer and it was blatantly obvious. I watched it on my moms computer and it seemed like the whole video was much lower quality. Not sure if it was a lower quality screen, internet, etc. or the conspiracy theorist inside of me thinks youtube could have lowered the quality so its harder to tell lol. Probably just a different screen
-1 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeed420 2016-09-16
you do not understand green screens.
0 murtokala 2016-09-16
I would like to. If this is a conspiracy then help me see it too
0 glenzinho 2016-09-16
http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2016/09/first-speech-of-hillary-clinton-since.html?m=1
I don't put much stock in a lot of the stuff on the site I've just linked, but if you watch the version linked there, you can see her start glitching out around 19:30 into the video, and not long after 20:30 you can see her totally disappear for a second while the background stays intact.
Conspiracy theories are fun, but this is some real messed up stuff.
2 murtokala 2016-09-16
I didn't watch a few seconds long enough last time, indeed she does disappear, but why does this not happen in the original stream, just on the ABC15 one? While she does disappear, it still looks like compression artifacts, just like the ones prior to the disappearance at 20:51, where parts of the image is repeated vertically, thus stretching the flag stripes over her. Then as she moves, the colors keep stuck to her movements just like they should in such an error scenario.
See https://youtu.be/RQ7PJpQ7cRA?t=2888 too, no disappearance or any other of these artifacts that might have happened when ABC15 decoded the stream.
Edit: what is your thinking about this, assuming she is in front of a green screen and it glitches out? More proof of her medical condition or of something else? If the hall she's making the speech is real and she's there as can be seen from the other angle (among other angles that are available I would assume, though have not searched), and if the striped background (flag I assume) is actually green or otherwise manipulated, would that mean something?
Just trying to grasp what is the possible conspiracy here in case the glitches are what some think they are - not just compression errors.
1 murtokala 2016-09-16
What you see there is compression artifacts, not green screen artifacts. She does not disappear in a way that it would reveal the background. Pause on and walk frame by frame on the messed up parts and you see how the colors of the flag do go all over her, but in a smeary way, not in a revealing way. The colors of the stripes for example stay attached to her arms, but when crossing the stripe boundary it does not change color from white to red. Just compression artifacts this time from what I can see. Another thing is that the background is motionless and the encoders use motion for not needing to encode color data to each frame, thus you don't see almost no glitches on the flag but only on things that update on each frame.
1 Individdy 2016-09-16
Modern video compression is quite sophisticated, analyzing the imaged into objects, movements, etc. So in a way it is doing "CGI" on images all the time to compress them, so when there are errors they can manifest with objects disappearing and what you see here. (not directed at you specifically, just anyone reading not familiar with MPEG etc.).
2 murtokala 2016-09-16
Yeah. With CGI here I think was meant pulling things from thin air, of course everything we see on digital screens is computer generated imagery.
A big fuss out of nothing here.
4 MOCKxTHExCROSS 2016-09-16
Wow that is so weird. Why would they go to all this effort to edit the footage?
2 SooperModelsDotCom 2016-09-16
Here's one of the skips/jumps of her in the video.
1 2muchchainz 2016-09-16
This looks pretty good, in terms of her clothes are the right color and stuff but it is very odd that the background would be that fabricated. I mean it is pretty clearly a greenscreen and the waving.
NEW CONSPIRACY: It was real rally, and then they edited the video for a greater purpose
6 mrcassette 2016-09-16
This guys phone at the end is totally not the view in front of him
https://youtu.be/NnUg9ztXWoI?t=24m52s
http://imgur.com/is33xYj
1 worktheshoot 2016-09-16
This is a very interesting point
19 El_O_El 2016-09-16
yeah, something is definitely amiss, and the green screen idea is growing on me. As I watch I just get such a "canned" feeling about the whole thing, it just doesn't sound like theres the correct atmospheric background noise, n the crowd's response is so even as if it was achieved with a dial or something. How can anyone believe any of this shit the Elite/Illuminati is forcing through, via mASS media anymore? Glad I don't own a tv,
2 worktheshoot 2016-09-16
Yupp it's the vibe or aura of the whole thing. It just feels off. Also, too many people with camera phones taking pics. That's. Not realistic. And someone with a tablet? Lol
1 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeed420 2016-09-16
there was maybe 150 people in attendance.
1 rPoliticsModsRsHILLS 2016-09-16
There is video of a laughing track cutting out during this speech. I cant find it anymore
1 El_O_El 2016-09-16
holy fuck, yup, I saw that too, and after it was pointed out and looped a couple times, it was undeniable! Wow!
15 perfect_pickles 2016-09-16
amazing how at one 'rally' she has brown eyes not blue.
and at Des Moine it was total photoshop
HRC circa 2016 is fake and/or dead. or nearly dead.
r/hillaryclinton has 27K members and almost no activity.
r/the_donald has 250K members and hundreds of comments per post.
HRC is a failed marketing ploy.
saying that HRC in some format prob will 'win' the election, then we get a CGI POTUS and hell on earth...
12 Axana 2016-09-16
For comparison, /r/HillaryForPrison has over 57,000 subscribers.
7 OnAllDAY 2016-09-16
The_donald is like a light version of /pol/ though.
5 TRMIB 2016-09-16
Look at social media engagement too. Trump blows her away on FB and Twitter in terms of fans AND likes/engagement on every post. 5:1. The establishment wants the world to think that she is loved (and Trump is hated) by the majority of Americans. But hard stats show otherwise.
social media popularity
7 Wehmer 2016-09-16
I think very few people are pro-Hillary, but there are many many people who are anti-Trump. That's where her polling numbers come from. No one actually wants her to be president, many just prefer her to the alternative.
2 Duke_Lurkington 2016-09-16
On top of that probably 25% of her followers are there just to troll her
-3 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
It's really sad that Trumpe appeals to so many with divisive identity politics. That these messages are popular. (Here come the downvotes)
I think most people are unenthusiastic and not going to vote, extremists on both ends will be at the polls.
4 bananapeel 2016-09-16
Can you give more info on the 'brown eyes' thing? Have not heard about this one.
15 sweet_data 2016-09-16
http://i.imgur.com/rY1TU9F.png - not one red and white flag on any screen. wtf?
10 Persicifox 2016-09-16
https://imgur.com/a/WkHq3 and pointing to a wall hahahhh
3 thinkmorebetterer 2016-09-16
Here's a couple of higher angles that make it pretty clear that shes pointing at the people behind her to her right.
http://imgur.com/a/DMins
2 covert-pops 2016-09-16
What's the context during that?
2 Persicifox 2016-09-16
She was waving to the crowd, then pointed, then starting waving again.
1 covert-pops 2016-09-16
Holy shit lol.
1 Persicifox 2016-09-16
They either think we're stupid, or really don't give a shit if we figure out their bullshit. I don't know which one is more infuriating.
1 corinarh 2016-09-16
ok now i believe you guys lol
2 all4reddit 2016-09-16
You have a point there.
2 tanlin2021 2016-09-16
http://i.imgur.com/cMUBW44.jpg but you know... probably edited.
1 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeed420 2016-09-16
exactly!
14 andredawson 2016-09-16
We suck. People believe what they are told.
11 Jeffersonien 2016-09-16
100 likes 700 thumbs down - that's the story right there. She has no real support. Also listen to her at 23:40 - she's so GD disingenuous it's pathetic.
Green screen? Eh I don't think so - phones are too out of focus to be definitive. Green screens used for the Orlando shooting PsyOp hoax were much more obvious.
Someone in comments said look at her wave at the wall behind her at 23:35 or so --- she's clearly waving not directly behind her but behind her and to the left where there is a (probably paid for) group of people.
Green screen? No.
Totally fabricated event and support?
You betcha.
11 Xanje25 2016-09-16
I really dont get how anyone tries to deny the green screen. Try pulling it up on a computer monitor where you can enlarge it. The edges of her body are very obvious.
Also love the bit where they start chanting her name. Its funny because no one really loves her.
3 perfect_pickles 2016-09-16
Des Moines is photoshoped pictures.
1 HarryParatesties 2016-09-16
Chelsea loves her.
6 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-09-16
good call, but it's friggin bizarre to me that google doesn't fake the votes. maybe CTR didn't opt for the Total Deception package?
-2 cutol 2016-09-16
Yah, the claims from OP are ridiculous. It's a double in front of a green screen before a live audience! Why?
What would a green screen even matter, this is an advertisement.
1 rabbits_dig_deep 2016-09-16
OP said nothing about a double.
9 joe_fabeetz 2016-09-16
Looks like a Hollywood makeup job complete with facial prostheses courtesy of JJ Abrams studios!!!!!!!!!!
7 deadlyjrmint 2016-09-16
A thought: 90% of people voting will be watching videos on their phones unable to tell if the videos in question have been doctored
3 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
I'm on my phone. I can tell the atmospheric perspective is being manipulated in a way that a camera lense can't produce. Look at the edges of the camera phone screens verses the lack of sharpness in detail of everything else in that plane. The renderers lost the forest for the trees. This is basic art 201 stuff. Can't they afford better audio visual shills?
3 deadlyjrmint 2016-09-16
Yeah you are completely correct. There is only one problem though: you are looking for it.
How many people lack the environment and attention to detail to pick this stuff out while watching and rooting for their decided victor?
3 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
Sadly true.
2 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Ugh I know.
7 missleavenworth 2016-09-16
Maybe I'm just having trouble understanding what I'm seeing, but look at the phone screens of people recording (in the first minute). It seems that the phones are showing similar scenes, but nothing that looks like the background in the youtube. I'm not seeing the hanging flags in the phones. And I am seeing some blue or green rectangle in the phone that I'm not seeing in the background.
7 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Apparently she also used a green screen for a speech in Reno, NV too. In that one, it shows people recording videos of her on stage, directly in front of them, with a similar american flag background, and the phones do not show flags at all.
0 busboy207 2016-09-16
You can see in the phone screens that are facing her as she's entering the area have the bright blue logo that's on the podium. The problem is that she is at ground level coming from the far right of the stage.
6 SloppySniper 2016-09-16
The "angles and perspective" excuse is laughable. The phones are showing exactly what the crowd is recording, not our birds eye perspective. They are fucking with us, seeing what they can get away with, and with a dumbed down populace, CTR, and the DNC, it is clear that they can get away with anything.
2 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
It's so fucking sloppy. My God, have they no self respect? If you're going to throw an election, be convincing.
4 Haelton 2016-09-16
Got any timestamps in particular, I don't want to watch the whole thing.
6 corigander 2016-09-16
Small but visible cut at 8:50, points to a wall like she recognizes it at 23:50. (Thank you youtube comment section.)
1 Persicifox 2016-09-16
https://imgur.com/a/WkHq3
1 HAESisAMyth 2016-09-16
"I'm running :/: May of last year" at 8:50 cut
4 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Its pretty much just the beginning couple minutes. Whoever the fuck announce her and she walks in. Thats where you see people "recording videos" and the transition of her walking onto the stage is where the green screen is most obvious.
1 daddyderp23 2016-09-16
0:47 Looks like there is a screen in the camera images.
4 jackalpappy1 2016-09-16
https://www.reddit.com/r/gso/comments/52u40j/comment/d7olg1z?st=IT6PHVN5&sh=3871ee85
It was just a bad choice of backdrop.
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4 [deleted] 2016-09-16
I posted pics from my cell phone on /r/hillaryclinton yesterday if anyone would like to see them.
3 Hankjansson 2016-09-16
Ok so if it were a greenscreen, wouldn't the phone show the greenscreen?
2 Definitely-Not-CIA 2016-09-16
The images on the phone were preloaded onto the screen. They're not actually taking a picture of anything, they're just holding up their phone so it looks like they are.
3 Hankjansson 2016-09-16
Yes preload them with images WITHOUT Hillary Clinton on them. Where's the logic
1 SooperModelsDotCom 2016-09-16
That's a great question. It certainly does fly in the face of the green screen conspiracy.
3 thinkmorebetterer 2016-09-16
Here's a little post I wrote to explain how this is actually clearly a video codec glitch: https://thinkmorebetterer.wordpress.com/2016/09/18/did-hillary-use-a-green-screen-to-fake-a-rally/
2 vereker 2016-09-16
I am just a guy from germany following the US election campaign and I have to admit I was partly convinced at first that the accusations are true and there is indeed something fishy about this particular rally. Ofc I digged deeper into it because it was just to crazy to be true, and I am thankful for your explanation. In my opinion you should be upvoted because you have a point here, people jump fast to conclusions without questioning, it is rather scary to be honest. Nonetheless, I think the whole battle for the "throne" is rather entertaining, and it feels sureal. As an european I struggle to wrap my head arround how this whole shitshow is even possible in an country refering themselfes as the leaders of the free world. It feels like watching a movie rather then a serious political race, but then again it is the US, I guess. Sry for any grammar/ spelling mistakes, cheers.
2 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeed420 2016-09-16
That's not Hillary.
1 Atalanta8 2016-09-16
I don't get it there are plenty of people in the BG why edit it all out? Even if they do not need to lie they still do? wtf?
1 toneii 2016-09-16
There's no way those are real people. It's all rendered. You can tell in the picture of old purple arms. Good job, but ultimstely, obvious.
1 pjvex 2016-09-16
I think it could be staged but not greenscreened necessarily. Staged to show this crowd indoors. I mean how many people are in that room? Shouldn't a Hillary rally have at least 5000 attendees?
1 SooperModelsDotCom 2016-09-16
Not even close. We attended one of her rallies to see how big a farce they are and we weren't disappointed.
The rally we attended literally took place on an auxiliary basketball court. Even with that small size of a venue they still had to literally bus people in to fill up the half-court the rally was on.
Maybe, just maybe 700 people there.
Tops.
1 pjvex 2016-09-16
Well ok, she has far less people attending. But on Tuesday, I said to myself that the only way I would believe the rally in North Carolina was genuine wad if it was held outdoors with a sizeable number of people. Well it was indoors and with far less people. But there is still potential for a staged rally.
With all this talk now about the NC rally being fake... I definitely understand how people could deduce this, but if the people inside who were waiting for her with their smartphones only numbered around 700, don't you think they could find 400 (some amount slightly less than 700) rabid Hillary fans to help stage that event? In other words, why would you need to artificially insert a crowd into that auditorium? Surely there are enough die-hard fans that would do anything for the Clinton cause even if it meant cheering for their hero when she's not even there.
1 ohgodwhatthe 2016-09-16
Why would they greenscreen a rally only to have a guy in the background go "Fuck Hillary!" to what sounded like cheers?
1 outbackdude 2016-09-16
This would be almost impossible to do with green screen. Speaking from experience.
1 DarkDjango 2016-09-16
This is so crazy.
1 ProfGreen77 2016-09-16
Did anyone see the vid of the cell phone that had a guy's face in it. Like a selfie, chin in hand. Is this the original footage?
https://www.facebook.com/lamar.wingate.9/videos/10157463681720644/
1 pmid85 2016-09-16
Just skipped around a bit. @17:04 when she talks about not being a showman like her opponent the crowd laughs then stops abruptly.. Really strange stuff.
0 inbetweentime 2016-09-16
Hillary makes me sick but this theory is stupid. I'm 95% sure it was started yesterday to discredit this sub. And more will come.
There's nothing painfully obvious here. Angles people. Angles.
10 Xanje25 2016-09-16
You can use the "angles" defense on the phone screens all you want.
People are trying to record videos of Hillary (theoretically). you cant see her on the phone screens at all just some walls. Do people really wanna record walls that badly?
You can tell the videos/phone screens are edited onto the phones themselves. Edges of the videos are slightly pixelated.
The phones arent the only thing that prove the whole thing fake. You can see pixelated/blurry edges around hillary's body.
8 jaydwalk 2016-09-16
NO AMERICAN FLAGS on phone screens...
5 platinum_peter 2016-09-16
None.
2 LarryHolmes 2016-09-16
She's dead, Jim.
1 toneii 2016-09-16
Yeah guys, we better be careful, or our credibility might be diminished.
2 humbleirony 2016-09-16
Yeah, but it's the credibility of the sub that makes people seriously consider things like this whole greenscreen thing. Maybe once the sub loses all credibility people will actually vet the information.
We might not be able to win, but we can't lose either.
Think about it :)
0 sativadaze 2016-09-16
Yea this is a way far-fetched. Even if it was greenscreened, it's obviously her, and its obviously post 9/11/16. So that being the case and seeing her healthy, there's no reason for them to fake this...
2 Xanje25 2016-09-16
Never tried to claim it wasnt her. And how is it far fetched? If you look at the details on a good resolution computer monitor you will see what everyone else is seeing. Half of the point is that it is after the 9/11 collapse. She is trying to pass herself off as fine and healthy, but cant even make a public appearance.
Or actually, shes done this before in Reno, NV. I think thats shes just not good at doing anything live, unfiltered, and honest.
5 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
Public speaking and debates are probably a weakness. Also, appearing to maintain homeostasis.
3 [deleted] 2016-09-16
It's far fetched because I was at the rally. It was 100% real. I've posted several pictures.
2 SooperModelsDotCom 2016-09-16
Of course there is.
Having Hillary collapse during the rally would end the election race right then and there.
By previously green screening her speech, they can record it and then play it back at the rally with 100% certainty she won't collapse since it's already a recording of her.
1 sativadaze 2016-09-16
Thats a good point, I hadn't thought of it being recorded before the collapse..
2 Rattatatt 2016-09-16
It's so fucking sloppy. My God, have they no self respect? If you're going to throw an election, be convincing.
2 Chillypill 2016-09-16
I wonder if they are doing this because of her medical condition? It would be to stressfull for her to do a real rally and should would get a seizure or something.
Makes sense doesn't it?
2 covert-pops 2016-09-16
What's the context during that?
1 corinarh 2016-09-16
ok now i believe you guys lol
3 thinkmorebetterer 2016-09-16
Here's a couple of higher angles that make it pretty clear that shes pointing at the people behind her to her right.
http://imgur.com/a/DMins
1 pjvex 2016-09-16
Well ok, she has far less people attending. But on Tuesday, I said to myself that the only way I would believe the rally in North Carolina was genuine wad if it was held outdoors with a sizeable number of people. Well it was indoors and with far less people. But there is still potential for a staged rally.
With all this talk now about the NC rally being fake... I definitely understand how people could deduce this, but if the people inside who were waiting for her with their smartphones only numbered around 700, don't you think they could find 400 (some amount slightly less than 700) rabid Hillary fans to help stage that event? In other words, why would you need to artificially insert a crowd into that auditorium? Surely there are enough die-hard fans that would do anything for the Clinton cause even if it meant cheering for their hero when she's not even there.
2 vereker 2016-09-16
I am just a guy from germany following the US election campaign and I have to admit I was partly convinced at first that the accusations are true and there is indeed something fishy about this particular rally. Ofc I digged deeper into it because it was just to crazy to be true, and I am thankful for your explanation. In my opinion you should be upvoted because you have a point here, people jump fast to conclusions without questioning, it is rather scary to be honest. Nonetheless, I think the whole battle for the "throne" is rather entertaining, and it feels sureal. As an european I struggle to wrap my head arround how this whole shitshow is even possible in an country refering themselfes as the leaders of the free world. It feels like watching a movie rather then a serious political race, but then again it is the US, I guess. Sry for any grammar/ spelling mistakes, cheers.