My personal take on the Donald J. Trump presidential candidacy.

1  2016-09-25 by Flytape

Netizens of conspiracy,

There is a lot of debate within /r/conspiracy about the legitimacy of Trump's candidacy. I understand people's suspicions on Trump. In the wake of #occupywallstreet and other similar popular movements, it isn't hard to find the neon pink elephant in the room that Trump is a billionaire, Trump is the 1%, Trump is therefore bad.

Unfortunately for civilization, for you, for me and for everyone that we have never even considered. Perfect utopian equality, perfect utopian socialism, perfect utopian communism and/or perfect utopian capitalism will NEVER exist. You can take any system and no matter how perfectly conceived it is, the common denominator of ruin is the individual. It's YOU, it's ME! It's some fucker we have never even considered!

So forgive my bluntness but Bernie's social paradise will have just as many shortcomings as the American dream has.

Now back to Trump, the RNC never considered that Trump would best their highly groomed (all dues paid) candidates. They were able to ignore Ron Paul (PBUH) because Ron Paul, as genius as the man is and as much as I wish he had been our president for these last several years, Ron Paul was NOT willing to say ridiculous shit to keep tricking all the MSM cameras to point in his direction.

I keep hearing people say "If Trump wasn't a part of the establishment, they would just ignore him like Ron Paul".

Wrong, the RNC ignored him just fine, they talked about how unelectable Trump is, they prophesied that this week was his last every single week for the duration of the Republican primaries. They did everything to Trump that they did to Ron Paul, and more, and they still couldn't kill his campaign for one reason.

Trump is an attention whore, and if the right wing media wouldn't cover him... The left wing media would. For all the wrong reasons but like an attention hungry child... Bad attention is just as satisfying as good attention. Ron Paul would have never done that. Ron Paul was village wise man, cooly composed and confident in his infinite wisdom. Trump is the ambitious outsider who has never been in line for these coveted positions of rank in our society, he has never paid his dues. For the GOP Trump is that guy they never even considered. They didn't plan for him because they couldn't have, he was never considered. He blind sided them.

Unfortunately for our society, we need an asshole to tear back the curtains and shock everyone. The dishonest media, lying Ted, crooked Hillary.

For good or for bad the USA will never be the same. Honestly even if Trump loses he has already awakened a huge segment of the population who 8 months ago would have NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED some of the conspiracy centric ideas that this community has discussed for years before anyone thought of Trump being the president.

I don't think Trump will be the best president that we've ever had, but I do think that IF TRUMP WINS, he will clear a path for some fucker we have never even considered, who will be the best president we will ever have. It's always the fuckers that nobody ever considered that make history great. They can't be planned for, they can't be controlled by ritual or right.

These nobody's that we fail to consider disrupt the staleness of established orders, they move us back in favor of the individual because all the rules suddenly change. And slowly new rules get established and refined and then corrupted again until some fucker we never considered appears and for good or ill, changes all the rules again.

Good luck out there fuckers. Consider this.

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40% tax cuts on the 1% would devestate this country. That policy alone is reason enough for me to never support him. The Bush tax cuts fucked the country for years and we're still trying to dig out of it. He will have to slash social programs across the board, including education. Trickle down economics is a fucking farce that has been disproven time after time. The wealthy do not deserve another tax cut just so they can hoard more wealth while the rest of us pick up the slack for their lazy, selfish, greedy fucking asses!

I don't understand how you could possibly support a candidate who not only supports the patriot act but thinks it isn't good enough. He thinks NSA isn't good enough. Wants to give even more money to Israel!! For fucks sake! I want to know why you actually support any candidate who supports those policies!! For YEARS we have all agreed that those were deal breakers, so what is so god damn amazing about Trump in your eyes??? What, that he's a slick talker? You think the country is going to be saved by someone just because he is impolite? Get fucking real!

Trump is establishment 100%. He supports classic neocon policies straight down the board! He is george W in different clothes. I don't understand how anyone could not see that.

Great post. Fuck Trump. His whole campaign is part of a massive psyop in which every alternative news and "conspiracy" message board has been hijacked and subverted, completely overrun by pro-Trump shills. The Trump agenda has served many purposes. It has destroyed what was left of the Truth movement, destroyed all credibility of the Alternative news scene, polarized this scene and the country at large even further than previous his presidential bid....Trump is nothing more than a release valve for White Working Class angst, just as the equally contrived Tea Party movement was before, and the BOGUS Ron Paul "revolution" before it (yes, Ron Paul is nothing more than controlled opposition- just look at his son). Trump is playing the part given him. He was never meant to win, just to corrall as many of you as possible into his bullshit cult of personality, then leave you feeling totally disillusioned and spiritually exhausted when he loses. Now, with the development of Hillary's health issues, I do feel the plan has changed and there is a possibility he may actually win, although VERY slim (i.e. Hillary drops dead or has a stroke between now and November). As much as I DREAD the prospect of Hillary as president, I dread a Trump presidency even more. He will turn out to be the most authoritarian, boot-licking, Constitution-destroying president imaginable. I think he will be worse than Bush TBH. Say goodbye to the internet and free speech. The poor will get fucked so hard under Trump that it honestly gives me nightmares.

All you Trump-bots...I hope you are rich, or at least upper middle class. If you are working class he is your worst enemy. Go back and watch a few episodes of The Apprentice and tell me trump is a good guy.

Are you going to vote for Hillary?

Trump is establishment 100%. He supports classic neocon policies straight down the board!

This is true. And it's why Cheney and Rumsfeld support Trump. And why he has Pence as his VP.

He's more of a chickenshit than GW, and that's what's truly dangerous. The man stands for nothing, believes in nothing, has no honor or moral code, is as sensitive as a raw nerve - and is full of fear. Dangerous because he's therefore so easily manipulated. His followers aren't allowing themselves to see it, I wish they'd wake up.

Tax cuts don't matter when we can just print money. We should cut all taxes to zero.

40% tax cuts on the 1% would devestate this country. That policy alone is reason enough for me to never support him.

This tired old Hillary campaign rhetoric again? Trump clearly states that the top tax bracket will be 33%. So are you saying the top tax bracket is currently 73%? https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

He supports classic neocon policies straight down the board!

He is the only candidate speaking against neocon policies.

“For years, I’ve been a critic of this kind of reckless foreign invasions, and, look, let’s face it, interventions,” “Our current strategy of nation-building and regime change is a proven failure.”--Trump

EDIT even if you don't like Trump you must ask yourself why am I down voting the truth, do I dislike the truth because it doesn't fit the narrative I want to believe?

His original plan, which he revised 9/15 or so, called for far more cuts.

In any event, 40 percent tax cuts is a lot different than 40 points which is what you describe , 73 to 33 percent.

If the top tax rate is 39℅ than a 40 percent cut would take it down to about 25℅

His original plan involved a lower tax percentage completely offset by doing away with almost all the available deductions, but the simple minded and media couldn't understand that so he had to revise it.

but the simple minded and media couldn't understand that so he had to revise it.

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40% tax cuts on the 1% would devestate this country

This statement that started this comment chain sums up the normal confusion of it very well.

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Once..twice..thrice.

It's you're as in "You're a moron."

Your has a completely different meaning.

God you sound so deluded. just like the Obama bots 8 years ago with their "Hope and change" mantra. Now it's "Make America great again." Empty words from a guileless, lying politicians in both instances. Yeah he will make America great again, great for him and his rich cronies, not for you or me.

Your a moron. Luckily none of this is up to you and you may cry to yourself and throw a fit saying your moving to canada. But we are gonna make this country great for you too. Even though your currently too narrow minded to grasp the concept of a peaceful regime change.

Have you ever stepped back and took a good long look at some of the stuff you post? I mean the above in bold sounds like some straight up cult level shit. The worship of Trump is disgusting and will only bring about fascism.

Rule 4.

You're kidding yourself flytape.

You're either a NWO2.0 propagandist or one of their most useful idiots yet.

He just chose 34 catholic asvisors (knights of malta and other high titles too), his sister donated $4 million to the Jesuits the other day.

The_donald has been exposed as being about as organic as my motherboard in terms of a hq for his supporters. There's social engineering fingerprints and meme magic all over that sub, as well as a bunch of opportunistic cunts unwillingly manifesting a trump success for their own greed.

This post isn't a PSA, this is you leveraging your position in this forum to try to shape political outcomes in an entirely broken system with no scrutiny of who you are endorsing because it's in alignment with the trope of the alt-right morons.

You should unmod yourself after this worthless post and have an honest look about who the fuck you're trying to push.

I didn't leverage my position in any way. A different mod posted a different position that i don't agree with. So I posted my own.

You know i am allowed to have a different opinion than you without being a NWO propagandist or an idiot.

Try relaxing and enjoying life instead of obsessively attempting to tear other people down.

When your answer to a simple opinion post, that was clearly titled as an opinion post is "demod yourself" clearly you're the biased one who can't tolerate differing opinions.

Have a great day!

You know i am allowed to have a different opinion than you without being a NWO propagandist or an idiot.

The dichotomy isn't false here. You just don't want to see the writing on the wall.

I do relax and enjoy life. Don't you worry yourself about that. I just enjoy "tearing" down people who are advocating a path of evil.

path of evil

Your opinion, maybe you're correct, maybe you're not.

See how cool it is to be allowed to have your own opinion?

My opinion is that you get paid to be a trump fanboy/alt right narrative crafter and subtly manipulate/destroy this sub.

My opinion is you work against truth and love.

Your opinion is incorrect.

I could make the exact same claims against you with zero facts and it would mean the exact same thing, nothing at all.

We've all heard the MSMs condemnation of the alt-right, yes yes we know that Pepe is an alt-right attempt to popularize white supremacy we've seen it on Clinton's campaign website.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/

See! You're spouting propaganda while accusing me of being a propagandist!

The dreaded alt-right, aka people who don't support the Bushes, the Clintons or Bernie Sanders.. what will we ever do with these deplorables who have these opinions?

Look at you, I'm sure you fancy yourself as heroic with your powerful condemnation of me and my opinions. What you fail to see is that you immediately abandoned civil debate/discussion and immediately resorted to personal attacks and shill accusations (both distinctly against our rules, which I'm ignoring because it wouldn't be fair of me to moderate my own Post's "criticisms")

I'm 100% certain that EVERYONE, without exception, has their own opinion of this year's presidential election. Opinions ranging from Bernie Sanders to "voting itself only perpetuates the system" and everything in-between from Clinton to Trump and even yes... Even Cruz.

Are they also NWO2.0 propagandists? Or is that designation reserved for me?

And if we are talking about NWO 2.0, doesn't that imply that NWO 1.0 was defeated or accomplished? News to me!

I'm not making my white supremacist claims from this post but rather you racist soap boxing in your "community outreach" sub.

The alt-right and alt-left are just as lost as one another. Noam Chomsky v Alex Jones. They're both hacks.

Look at you, twisting words back on to me, trying to presume I feel heroic. I didn't abandon civil debate, I gave you two claims that he's the establishment man, him fitting out a crew of vatican men, and his sisters monetary affiliations with the Jesuits. He's history is shady as fuck, and it's obvious with only a cursory analysis that he's not an anti-establishment candidate.

You dodged this, and attempted to cleverly turn this back to me stifling your speech, which is the reason why I don't think you're a useful idiot but rather a paid propagandist. I don't expect you to censor my personal attacks and shill allegations because you'll probably just use a sock or some hall monitor like SM or dusty will come in here and do it for you so you keep your free speech cred.

The 1.0 is "defeated". Check out Clinton. She's out from this week. You really think Trump is your "We did it, reddit!" moment? Give me a break. He's been propped us as the bonafide anti-establishment candidate from the beginning. Alex Jones endorses him ffs.

Bernie is. I told you that ages ago. Watch what happens when Clinton drops out as I've said she was going to do all along. They've got all their benchwarmers on standby. Bernie and Michelle Obama or Kaine probably. I think they'll do Michelle just for the lols when they can out her as a transgender. Probably what all the trans fuss is preparing for.

You're clearly just the local antagonist. You're very sure of all your own opinions while also being completely unwilling to even casually consider someone else's opinions.

You're always eager to teach but desperately opposed to learning.

Have a great day but unfortunately your negative attitude and antagonistic attempts to force your own opinion into being leaves me with zero desire to continue talking to you.

I get on with most everyone fine. I think you, Justin and Dusty would be the only ones I've antagonized.

I've casually considered yours and I have come to the conclusion that you're an asset to tptb rather than a hindrance.

Yet to see a worthwhile post come from you despite your long time "serving" the community.

I'm not debating you've submitted posts, but as I said, yet to see a worthwhile post from you.

looking through your submissions and editorialized titles, i can clearly see the petty issues you engage in and divisive mentality you espouse.

keep up the good work chump.

Lol and all your submissions are far from petty or divisive.

Face it man, you're biased and you don't think "all those other opinions" should be allowed to exist. You want me to demod myself simply for making a post you don't agree with.

I didn't realize I was speaking to Baron Rothschild himself. I do beg your kind pardon Sir!

Come back down to reality with us man, Be a part of the community instead of this self proclaimed judge. Share information, and enjoy the information other people are sharing.

This one way shit, where everyone is supposed to listen to what you have to say while nobody else has an opinion that is "worthwhile" is cowardly, pussy bullshit. You're taking the cognitively easiest way out, and that is sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "SHILL SHILL SHILL! NA NA NA NA NA NA NA CANT HEAR YOU!"

At the end of the day I think Trump will be good for this country precisely because he will be horrible for the 2 party system. That's my opinion man, DEAL WITH IT!

Not to simply demod yourself from this post but from your history.

Do the best thing for the community and step down. Why are you so desperate to cling to your power in this forum? You're marred with controversy but you still think you're so indispensable to the community that you hang on no matter what.

I do participate in the community. I do ask questions and listen to what others have to say, but only if they're operating out of love and light and not racist xenophobic bullshit.

You're taking the cognitively easy way out by deflecting this all at me and my stifling of opinions because you can't address the claims that your man is just as much part of the establishment as all the other cunts we've had.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RomeRules/comments/54auno/trump_just_got_34_prominent_catholic_advisors/?st=itjhhbdq&sh=8f66a835

https://www.reddit.com/r/RomeRules/comments/498bpj/eric_jon_phelps_the_smomjesuitcia_murder_of_judge/?st=itjhiahd&sh=28ccb6ee

You're so focused on your little nationalistic bubble saying how "Trump will be great for your country" that you're missing how horrible he'll be for the world. In case you've forgotten, we're dealing with globalists here, and you're not doing your due diligence in investigating how much of a globalist institution (the Vatican's) man Trump is.

He will not make America great again. He will be your false peace anti-establishment candidate. Hope you enjoy your civil war. Might even get an opportunity to lynch some minorities if you're lucky eh fly.

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If you're confident we are dealing with globalists, then why not embrace nationalism?

The dissolution of nationalism is making the job of the globalist all too easy to finish. You're obsessed with pegging me as a racist who is secretly waiting to go lynch some minorities, but you're just pegging yourself as the antagonist who will say anything to try and win a debate without having to rely on wisdom or logic.

take care man.

because i think nationalism is just as stupid. i'm going for the monarchy.

this was never a debate because you don't have shit to say towards my claims of trump being their man. you just still wanna believe in your white power hope and change.

Rigggght! a nationalist democracy with free people is stupid... but a king handed down through birthright is cool with you.

Opinions folks...

i'm talking about the king of kings with a mandate from the man upstairs.

Oh yes you're talking about an entirely faith based belief system where we are all supposed to follow the ultimate law that can only be translated by a few chosen disciples.

We've been there and done that man, it didn't work out too well. Its proven to be just as corruptible as any other form of government, and less accountable. Furthermore, most people don't like the idea of being executed for having a different opinion. This does however fit your own disposition quite well. Good luck with that, I will literally fight and die on any battlefield to make sure that freedom of religion or from religion stays true.

Once any religion starts mandating laws to everyone else they can go die alone in the corner where they belong.

No, that's the bastardized version through the Vatican.

I'm talking about ascending into 5D through the path of love and light. Not bound by material constructs like borders or trade agreements.

Good luck with that, I will literally fight and die on any battlefield to make sure that freedom of religion or from religion stays true.

You'll have your chance soon enough as you continue to endorse your man Trump. Hope it's a blast.

I'm talking about ascending into 5D through the path of love and light. Not bound by material constructs like borders or trade agreements.

Okay sounds good, which candidate do I vote for to get this?

Meanwhile in reality I choose to support trump.

Christ, and a vote with the heart.

When you vote, you're signing a spiritual contract where you subjugate yourself to these parasites.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/54iuyi/the_fbi_admits_visits_of_beings_from_other/?st=itjjjmrj&sh=f3000923

So voting is Satan?

Voting is buying into the illusion. Action based upon fear.

What is compelling you to vote for Trump? Fear of other candidates, fear of destruction? Or because you genuinely think he's got leadership qualities and will look after even the most unfortunate?

Furthermore, most people don't like the idea of being executed for having a different opinion.

And yet you're a nationalist. The hypocrisy is lost on you.

You're both dipshits. Different kinds of reactionary trash, but reactionary trash all the same.

Why are you so desperate to cling to your power in this forum?

I'm not, I'm answering this question separately because its complicated and doesn't need to be confused in a pile of information unrelated to the question.

So here it is,

Once upon a time /r/conspiracy seemed to be doing very well, we had adapted to the latest attempts of "the cabal" to fundamentally chance the nature of conspiracy via "hourly crossposting from communities who were strongly opposed to what we do here",

These communities had all but given up, and the modqueue had calmed down a lot. Civil discussions were being had again. So I resigned, I decided to let go and let the newer mods who were doing great take over and run the show. Honestly modding this community is a pain in the ass, not fun at all, and littered with assholes who go off half-cocked about nonsense like mods needing to demod themselves for having an opinion.

So within a month or two of my resignation we had the Solidwhetstone drama where it appeared that SWS was attempting to make /r/conspiracy "reddit friendly" and fundamentally change the nature of the sub... exactly what the mod team had been resisting from the start of this whole thing.

It seems silly but that's why I came back, That's why I won't leave again and That's it.

As far as "power" goes, If you think moderating a subreddit is a powerful position to be in, well... you've rung the bell too many times.

As a matter of fact, I've taken great steps here, such as https://r.go1dfish.me/r/conspiracy/about/log <---This, to make sure that no single mod can use the only power a mod has (being a gatekeeper of information) without exposing themselves to the community in the same click of the remove button.

I've been the only mod that I know of to create a community outreach sub (unless there is a secret one i wasn't invite to, LOL! totally possible!), as well as trying to get non mods interested in contributing to the community's wiki /r/conspiracy/wiki/index

So like tits on a hog, while I might appear useless at first glance, I'm vitally important to the development of the next generation of strong and self reliant swine.

They did everything to Trump that they did to Ron Paul, and more, and they still couldn't kill his campaign for one reason.

No, Trump has been all over media since the day he announced candidacy. All over. Even if some of it was ridicule. He has not been ignored like Ron Paul was.

Aside from that, sounds like you're justifying blind trust in this man. And I have no reason to give that to him. But I have a lot of reasons not to.

I don't blame you for being hopeful. But your Ron Paul comparisons are quite debatable.

Ron Paul status is boring and doesn't generate random leads and conversions for websites. Trump status is unpredictable and bullshit-oriented and everybody get interested in that, even those that don't really like politics. He generates fun for the idiot masses by toying with the truth. Ron Paul as good a man as he can be, never understood the masses are not interested in goodness.

Jesus H Christ. What a crock of shit. Trump is the exact reality star the NWO needs for this particular season of "pick a leader". Nothing more, nothing less.

If Trump becomes the President he will "shake things up". Not in a good way however. Trump is not the answer.

He will clear a path for some fucker we have never even considered.

Oh, absolutely he will.

He's not disrupting shit. The denizens of t_D should band together to send him some kneepads, we all know the man's too cheap to buy them himself and they've gotta be bloody after yesterday's fellation.

Not enough alcohol on the planet tonight for the debates, it's going to be a "I gave the best bj to Bibi!" "No, I did!" cripple fight.

A lot of this stuff I never even considered

I'm basically in agreement with your assessment. People in here tend to loose all touch with reality sometimes and become very fundamentalist.

The world is changed in baby steps.

Well said, you have echoed many of my own feelings about him.

Unfortunately for our society, we need an asshole to tear back the curtains and shock everyone.

Absolutely right.

Well said, and very similar to my thoughts on Trump as well. My only hope in him is that he successfully pulls off something like what Putin did in Russia. Ron Paul would've been my choice and a truly great president, but he'd never be able to do anything he wanted to do, unless a strong man (a la Trump) completely cleans house, and kicks out certain interests first.

You are aware of how Putin rose to power? He was put there by higher powers than the ones he apparently cleaned shop of. He pulled off the false flag appartment bombing just like any of these other cunts.

You are aware of how Putin rose to power? He was put there by higher powers than the ones he apparently cleaned shop of.

..and who would those people be? As for the FF, I'm aware. I'm merely referencing Putin turning on his handlers. I do not condone the actions of Putin.

The church.

I don't think he really turned on his handlers. He kicked out some tier of power in order to get cred.

That's a fair point. Which reminds me of a documentary about the Orthodox church I have bookmarked to watch. I know quite a bit, but not nearly as much as I know about the Vatican.

The east-west schism is just a grand scale Hegelian dialect.

My only hope in him is that he successfully pulls off something like what Putin did in Russia.

What, stack the government with Oligarchs he directly controls?

Once..twice..thrice.

It's you're as in "You're a moron."

Your has a completely different meaning.

God you sound so deluded. just like the Obama bots 8 years ago with their "Hope and change" mantra. Now it's "Make America great again." Empty words from a guileless, lying politicians in both instances. Yeah he will make America great again, great for him and his rich cronies, not for you or me.

I'm not debating you've submitted posts, but as I said, yet to see a worthwhile post from you.

looking through your submissions and editorialized titles, i can clearly see the petty issues you engage in and divisive mentality you espouse.

keep up the good work chump.

Voting is buying into the illusion. Action based upon fear.

What is compelling you to vote for Trump? Fear of other candidates, fear of destruction? Or because you genuinely think he's got leadership qualities and will look after even the most unfortunate?

Your a moron. Luckily none of this is up to you and you may cry to yourself and throw a fit saying your moving to canada. But we are gonna make this country great for you too. Even though your currently too narrow minded to grasp the concept of a peaceful regime change.

Have you ever stepped back and took a good long look at some of the stuff you post? I mean the above in bold sounds like some straight up cult level shit. The worship of Trump is disgusting and will only bring about fascism.

Rule 4.