So far, you've divulged no details that come close to blowing one's mind.

"Guys, I saw this thing, so insane, so mind-blowing. I have no evidence, and will not disclose any real details. It's almost like I am making it up, but I'm not, trust me."

Also, and completely unrelated, I recently stopped taking my medications and my mind is clearer than ever.

Quick make a thread!!

What is your definition of a "slab" as you're using it in this story?

So the area went from 3X6 football fields to the size of Chicago/New York...

Uh...if you said earlier above that a place like Reddit likely has a spook hanging around looking for clues as to who "knows" things they shouldn't...then why on Earth would you give a descriptive term that might cause one of these spooks to tag you and say "I think we found one."?

I mean you're using the term "slab". You keep saying that word. Isn't that somewhat of a recognizable name that might identify you as someone who "knows" to anyone who might be looking to shut down anyone who might know information?

Just wondering.

Well...I'd certainly hope it's really "no biggie" and it doesn't turn out to be something bigger than initially anticipated.

Wouldn't want to see you end up like John Tuturo's character in "Miller's Crossing", you know?

Do me a favor and leave OP alone. Look into your heart! Please look into your heart!

I initially took what you said totally literally. I was initially upset. I was like "WTF? What's this jerk talking about?"

Then I remembered the clip I sent. lol

:) lol

I didn't watch your clip I just know the Cohen brothers flick like the back of my hand and that was Johns most memorable line.

Look into your haaaawwwwrrt!!

What keeps d of event is this place for? My guess is nuclear event.

Seriously, you can set up a fucking google alert to alert on the term being used, like what the fuck are you thinking?

He said he didn't reveal anything really damning, so if he got a phone call, he's not too worried that it would be too bad...but I told him he still better be careful regardless.

We're on top of a honeycomb earth, not a hollow earth. Apparently there are many massive caverns the size of Texas, but these are at a minimum 20 miles under the surface.

This hideout doesn't surprise me in the least. Would it surprise you to find out that the space already existed and they just had to do some slight modifications (maybe none at all to the walls) before building homes down there?

Apparently there are many massive caverns the size of Texas, but these are at a minimum 20 miles under the surface.

This would be very close to the Earth's mantle and much too hot to be inhabitable though?

Stop that with your science. He's spinning a right fancy delusion for us. Just get the popcorn and watch.

So pretty much u kno nothing about it other than its a slab 3 football fields big. Mindblown

Are you redditing for lulz right now?

Crab people, crab people!

look like crabs, talk like people

Sounds like some places I visited with my friends in Mid-Western Kansas. We rode our dirtbikes all over and came to a couple restricted areas that still had guards. Middle of nowhere kind of places.

Care to explain more? Was it just a fenced in area or was there some sort of structure? I've been to kansas and on I-80 all you can see is cornfields.

There are a lot of underground missile silo's in Kansas (hence middle of nowhere / all you really can see are fields haha). Most of them are not in use anymore or abandoned, but some were sold to people. I've heard of people making awesome homes/shelters out of them.

its strange they have guards around them if theyre so hidden..

They do have guards

http://survivalcondo.com

The Ozarks are quite a distance away from Kansas.

The Ozarks are Eastern Missouri. The middle of Kansas is hundreds of miles west.

And there are still active underground middle silos in Kansas. Why? Because even people on the other side of the world know that there's nothing worth nuking here, Brownback has done it all for them

Reminds me of the caves outside Joliet, Illinois. I don't remember much, but some friends and I were fishing when we were kids. We started walking back to a friend's house and found a big hatch with an Army Corps of Engineers seal on it. It looked outrageously old and we were kids. We went and got flashlights and opened the hatch. We climbed down the ladder and ended up in a pitch black tunnel. We made it about 20 feet before lights came on and two soldiers came running at us screaming for us to hit the floor. They asked a million questions (mostly about who we were, where we came from, how we got in, who our parents were, where we went to school, where we'd been in the "complex," and what we'd seen). They marched us out, single file, surrounded by at least a dozen soldiers. I couldn't see anything because the soldiers were surrounding us, but one tunnel we passed was lit brightly and I could see houses in the background like it opened up and there were houses underground. The tunnels actually looked like the hallways you see in sci-fi shows about bunkers... almost exactly like the hallways of Cheyenne Mountain in Stargate SG-1. Anyway... We went up a few dozen flights of stairs followed by a ladder and ended up in the woods. The soldiers marched us all over in various directions for about half an hour and then left us down by the river. The next time we were out that way, the hatch was gone, but it was obvious that it had been purposely removed because it was cleared out a little and there were some smaller trees that appeared to be freshly planted. Until I read this story, I'd forgotten all about my own story. Weird how my mind just completely repressed this for 30+ years.

If I were to talk about some of the tech my father use to let me see, most here wouldn't even believe it

Who gives a fuck about "most"? I know enough and have researched enough about black projects and what exists (and have experienced enough directly in my own life), etc to 100% know that there is a LOT of shit we aren't told about but that is still very much real and exists.

So by all means. Please. Talk about some of the tech your father used to let you see. I for one would like to know about it. Who cares about the naysaying trolls that would come on here and say "I call bullshit!". Fuck them. Ignore those and move on. I wouldn't assume you're lying.

So shoot. I'm seriously all ears.

And yeah. Fuck Joilet. Never been there, but it sounds like a shit hole from the way you describe it.

so the block, slowly moves (no wheels, no legs) to this plate. I smash it completely flat (it was soft), and it keeps moving. I pick it up and roll it into a ball and then smash it some more. put it back on the table, it formed a block, and kept moving.

When you held it in your hand, did you feel any pull or agitation in the translucent block moving toward the plate? Could you feel it pulling out of your hand, so to speak, or was the movement so slow that you never felt it pulling/moving toward the plate when you held it?

Do you know or did your father ever say what the mechanism was that caused it to move toward the plate?

And when you say “plate”…do you mean like…a dinner plate?

From the consumer tech perspective there is absolutely no tech that a consumer can use to hide themselves. The question becomes, more less how much of a threat you are. And when I say threat, not only state level, but world level.

Wouldn’t doubt that for a moment. If TPTB want you found…you’re getting found.

This, in part, is why I absolutely know that someone like Edward Snowden is a 100% limited hangout cointelpro operation through and through. If TPTB wanted that dude dead, that motherfucker would be dead.

“Oh no! But he has immunity in another country!” Psshh. Gtfo w/that. The only real and true whistleblower in all this has been rotting in prison and has the last name of Manning.

Snowboy meanwhile gets articles and MSM time dedicated to him left and right…AND a fucking movie made about him? Yeah. Cointelpro fakery for the masses is what he is.

Anyway. Sorry. That was just a random interjection. Moving on in what you’re saying.

So TOR, VPNs etc., are actually great on the personal level. Yes the FBI might not be able to find you behind a VPN, but if you are a high enough threat and you were at your home, behind 10 VPNS (exaggerating for effect) and TOR, YOU WILL BE FOUND IN AN INSTANT.

I know the above for a fact.

Yep. Don’t doubt any of this for a moment.

We human beings on planet Earth are minnows living in a tiny, very tightly monitored fish bowl. Meanwhile, we’ve been convinced from birth by the powers who monitor that tiny fish bowl that we are in fact “powerful and freeee! and we can do whatever we want!”

Yeah. Right.

None of this is to say that we humans don’t have actual power. We do, in fact. However, we have to develop it and exercise it in order for that internal power we have within us to actually manifest.

and most of us are simply asleep…and have been made into unthinking drones.

TPTB do a hella good job of making sure and keeping us ignorant of the ability and potential we have/can have within us.

Yes, in mine hand you felt little prickle like needles moving underneath. lets say if I turned it upside down, well those needle feet would be there instead.

And the plate was a plate looking/sized device. Not a actual dinner plate.

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the info, sir.

This could well be...but what does a moving blob have to do with finding me at my computer? Does the blob track people?

I'd like to hear more about this tech that no one would believe.

Second!

Was the entrance at a park in Joliet? I remember finding a mysterious set of pitch black tunnels at a park in Joliet and don't remember the name. I was fascinated. We came back a few weeks later with flashlights to really explore it, but the entrance was filled in with cement. My memory is hazy and I've tried to Google it without luck. Can't even remember which park it was in. I think the entrance was kind of in an off the beaten path area and somewhat concealed by trees, but I think it was an archway opening on a small room, with dark hallways going off in different directions. All plain cement from what I can remember. I would really like to find out more about it.

I'm not really sure if it was in Joliet. I really don't think it was. I was only about 8 at the time. 10 at the most. I didn't live down there, but we'd visit my mom's friends. All I remember is that we were fishing on a big river. After looking at a map just now, it would probably have been the west side of the desplaines river. We were fishing under a bridge. When we left, we went north up the hill of the riverbank and into a forest. From there, I don't know what direction we went, but the hatch was in the forest and not very far from the tree line.

Again, I was a kid, so I could be completely wrong on where I was, but I remember when going to my mom's friend's place, we'd go over a river (I assume desplaines since all the signs around it were for Joliet) and I knew we were only 10 minutes away from being there. So, we could have been in crest hill, Joliet, channahon, or somewhere else pretty close.

In the end, it wasn't in a park. Just a cement square in the forest with a rusty round hatch door on the top. And now my memory is fucking with me. I originally (hours ago) remember the Army Corps badge being on the hatch door. Now I remember seeing it more as a small medallion inset into the cement next to the hatch door. Am I starting to remember more clearly or is my memory just a lump of Swiss cheese filling in holes to makes sense of this?

I'd love to hear more if you ever get the time.

You probably repressed the memory because you were all traumatized and DID took over. Probably they let you ride the lightning. Do you have two moles on the back of your neck about 2" apart?

No. Nothing like that. I wouldn't think they'd do anything like that only because we were kids under 10, we didn't really see anything, and if we did, no one would ever have believed us. If I went to my mother in the early 80's and said I saw houses and soldiers underground while I was supposed to be fishing, she would have slapped the shit out of me and told to stop lying. Had We been older, I bet it would have been a different story.

I believe you, but keep in mind two kids were murdered in Mena, AK, likely because they witnessed a CIA drug dropoff. They killed them and left their bodies on train tracks to make it appear accidental.

Google: Mena Airport CIA Clinton

Arkansas is AR

What was the 'perceived future event'?

When did people start freaking over y2k? No chance this was early early prep for that?

So... Basically we're living in the Truman show?

Honestly, I've felt this way for a long time.

Perhaps a mild form of "The Truman Show delusion"?

I don't think I'm delusional. It's more of an existential epiphany than asserting people's lives are on television.

Sort of. Once you understand the significance of Sirius, you got it.

https://youtu.be/C5sdJMN4x2Q?t=2m4s

Where can I find more information of Sirius?

This video explains most of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8fJNEFGuY&list=PL7zhSARqcOEtsz7sZMVXke2tT-tNtJ5Or&index=12

But the whole playlist is worth watching.

Thanks man or women or both.

And there is absolutely no way for you to know, unless you know what the tells are.

Let me guess, you are an expert at recognizing these "tells?"

I say we, as a populace, do our own False Flag. We lose our shit, loot, rampage, burn all the things down! Then these effers can lock themselves underground, we can go back to living peaceful lives. Idk what we do with the nationwide underground townships of psychopaths, but as long as they're locked in there, is that our problem? Does this logic make me a psychopath too? Can't we all just get along!?

Wat?

During the cold war it was popular in some areas of the US to build bunkers and underground shelters. Could be from that time as well.

good luck with your book

harry potter, but with science! is a pretty good angle

Assuming you are telling the truth.

What is the point of this vague post ? Honestly why share (on reddit non the less) this if you are certain it will harm others involved in this ?! Even with little info on this and being "long" time ago, they know exactly who you are and what you are talking about... this is not very smart.

Also why are most people so surprised about this kind of thing, there are literally thousands of underground cities/facilities all over the planet ! Most of these things are build for ELEs.

Karma for his alt account.

it's not vague

it's vague enough

Specific details (names and location) that you are leaving out and with other hints your are saying it actually would not be that difficult to find out, specially if you know what you are doing.

What i'm saying is i understand what you are talking about but what i don't get is why share this... is it just pure curiosity to see what people here would say about this ?

I'm an attention whore please pay attention to me

Fine, as you wish

Ah i understand now, thank you for the replays.

"I run my own personal experiments to see how the populace reacts to certain stimuli. This time it is information about what I've seen. To gauge responses and general curiosity. This, I put in my research."

That right there is what confirms this thread is pointless. Your just posting nonsense just to see a reaction. You basically confirmed that.

You're in a delusional state. Get to the doctor.

I agree, they shouldn't be especially with youtube videos showing huge tunnel boring machines etc.

You agree? But then why the fk do you say it will blow our mind? You contradict yourself, you are just fucking around.

ITT: People feeding the troll. Zero evidence of claim.

Yeah, when did /r/conspiracy become so gullible? Sure, he could be telling the truth, but with absolutely zero evidence and claims of secrecy he's significantly more likely to be lying since this is standard operating procedure for oh so many previous hoaxers.

Not worth the time.

But he "knows for a fact!"

you just have to believe!!!! lol

Tons of people love to do this fakery. Refuse to offer any proof whatsoever.

Contact some respected researchers, provide location...otherwise go back to your momma's basement computer.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; (Revelation 6:15 KJV)

I like this.

whelp, TIL vault tec is real

So each house is stocked with supplies or is there some sort of warehouse that everyone would contribute to as a community and then retreive supplies from when the time comes?

Was there light sources under ground that miniced the sun, to the point that you saw grass or trees? was there soil on the ground, or was it all slick rock like that you'd find in a well worn cave? was the air damp?

were there people walking around when you visited?

did they mention/point out how they were supplying air and water? if something were to happen on the surface, they may not be able to rely on the air supply on the surface, so they'd need to block air flow from the surface to them, and then have some sort of mechanism that would clean their air of any toxins. they could also have large gardens to convert co2 to o2 and other gases.

any kids walking around?

ive heard of large caverns like this being made with blasts from small nuclear devices.

were the walls of the cave slick, almost like they had been melted?

was there hospitals, military/police, court house, bank, grocery store, schools, play grounds, etc?

was this cave system with a slab connected to another cave system, under ground? like a tunnel? so its like, each cavern system is a town, and then you can drive to other towns?

you say you drove with your car down to the town, but, i'd imagine car exhaust would be a BIG problem if many people were driving in to the underground town at one time, like when the world is ending. was there a parking lot area/space for everyones cars, or did they simply park them at their home? like a normal, above ground town?

though underground transportation would have to be heavily reliant on electricity, which was made from a clean source like a geothermal vent, that had a steam engine/steam generator built over it, to provide power to the town. possibly even a mini nuclear reactor, as they've gotten safer and cleaner over the years. or even a few of those extremely hot reactors that are placed inside of space satellites for a constant flow of heat and electricity.

thx again for the info and your replies to other people. i try to take people at their word, especially when it comes to this topic. do you have the feeling that if the world were ending, your dad's friend would be inviting your dad and his family (you) down to the cave system with him?

is there a leadership there? what is there long term planning like? are they planning, if an event were to occur that required they take shelter, to stay under ground for decades? for centuries? because one may be prepared for with enough stores of staples/food/water/medical equipment/etc, while the other would be prepared for differently with farms (hydroponic or aquaponic, as you want to make your farming situation as efficient as possible, both with its usage of water, and its output of crops), which also would mean there'd need to be factories to make parts that fail/break over their normal usage/expected life span. as well as chemistry labs to create the various powders and chemicals needed, such as medicines and cleaning fluids, etc.

any response would be great.

Thank you for some amazing and detailed answers. I'm choosing to believe everything you are saying, because I only have something to gain to do so, and not lose.

Take care and please remain safe.

In one hundred years very little food will be edible. Please go back to your doctor. You're wasting your life by dwelling in these delusional episodes. I know the meds make you feel like shit probably but at least you're living in the real world. Take care.

Trolls gonna troll.

How are people believing this guy and down voting you?

Who are you trying to protect with your lack of details?

What made you decide to post about it after all this time?

Oh em ge i hope you dont get a phone call, visit or disappearance...

depended upon what they divulged a phone call would occur, a visit, or a disappearance.

O_o

Sounds like a clickbait post with all the lack of detail. Sorry, OP.

Nothing personal, I get that you want to tell your story... but there's not much to go with here. You aren't able to answer much to protect identities and locations. I get it. But I felt like at any minute there was going to be a "You won't believe what happened next..." link...

I dated a guy in college who told me his father had a bunker in The Ozarks. I haven't really thought about it since I saw this! Pretty wild.

Where? How big? What was the air purification system like? How did they manage waste? Water purification? How could they see outside?

We traveled at approximately a 20 degree decline for about 10-15 miles.

So the slab you visited was somewhere between 3-5 miles below ground level?

The deepest mine on earth isn't that deep, and that was dug by people who dig holes for a living. I call bullshit.

I call your bullshit and raise two horseshits! If this guy keeps going, I'm going to have to switch from boots to hip waders...

There have been unsubstantiated rumors but there is a lack of consistency in the pictures.

See D.U.M.B.'s and Subterrene's

http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground31.htm

WALMART Underground Tunnels & INSIDER INFO PROMPT CLOSINGS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnvA51iqRuU

Tunnels, Walmart & Yorkville

http://paulding.com/forum/topic/10778-tunnels-walmart-yorkville/

Even your link mentions that the deepest base is 2.5 miles. and this is the US military.

There are no really convincing links

However,

2.5 miles is plenty deep. Again there is no substantiation but the guy who wrote this.

http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html

Was suicided.

http://projectcamelot.org/schneider.html

That Air Force Subterrene was used for more than well digging.

Not only was Phil Schneider suicided, but a couple of months before his death he shot and killed an FBI agent "working on his spare time" in self defense. It was such an obvious assassination attempt that he wasn't even charged with murder. That was not the only assassination attempt on him.

I thought these WalMarts were suddenly closed when certain employees started talking about a union?

Wouldn't it have been easier to say you got the degree of decline or mileage traveled wrong? I mean, you were 16...

Because parents never pull answers out of their asses, right?

Always acknowledge and allow for the possibility of incorrect estimates up front, instead of initially stating values as fact. But that is just my opinion on how such things should be handled in order to avoid looking like someone trying to backtrack.

Was this giant cavity a natural geological feature, or was it deliberately created?

Did you find out anything about the sustainability of human habitation in this town, eg the sources of food, water and oxygen/ventilation?

This is fascinating.

i was just thinking that and its u

Great minds...

:)

usually on reddit this happens and then i am like oh of course that the the maid[ my real sister] so now i guess of course its my sco bro ;0 [yesterday was so awesome i am relistening to EVERYTHING today instant replay

:)

Interesting, thanks. Was the temperature artificially regulated? It would normally be very hot at that sort of depth.

Based on my research of this, it totally contradicts what I experienced first hand.

Yes, I think most geologists would argue that the temperature at 3-5 miles deep (6-10km) would likely be somewhere between 100-200 degrees Celsius.

I hope you are still answering questions!

I am an electrician with interests in botany and am curious about the lighting systems which nourished the farms in particular, and the "outdoor" lighting systems in general.

What type of lighting is it? Incandescent, fluorescent, LED, or something more advanced that would be unknown to me?

Is the lighting system attached to a framework that extends up from the slab, hanging from the ceiling of the cavern, or some other support system I'm not conceiving of?

How high above the slab was the lighting situated? Was the distance from light systems to the slab different between farm areas and residential areas? Was the same type of lighting used in different areas?

Are the food crops grown also odd colors, like the trees?

You say, "no one was there". Are those farms and livestock areas automated, or were you referring solely to the residences as being devoid of other people?

Are the crops grown in soil, hydroponic setups, etc.?

Is there anything else you wish to elaborate on about the farm or lighting systems that you thought was fascinating?

You say the event around 2020 will change the world in hours or minutes, but suggest the elite will have plenty of time to get situated underground. I perceive this in two different ways:

1. A cosmological event is on it's way to us that the elite are aware of and are confident of when it will arrive. (Planet of The Crossing?)

2. The event will be catalyzed by the elite themselves.

Am I in the ballpark on one of these assumptions? If not, can you elaborate any more on your 2020 statements?

I am greatly enjoying your thread; thank you very much for your time and your patience with us.

Why would you write cryptically when lives are in danger?

For everyone to have all information and let themselves be the ones that make the choice.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the pros/cons about each of these scenarios. But I also know that many people exist in 'leadership' roles, who THINK they have the intelligence and experience needed to make the greater choice on behalf of many other citizens. Recent history, and most of history has shown us that most times, these "leaders" are vastly unexperienced, largely unintelligent, and many times, corrupt.

I feel I should point out that your reply and "answers" all seem very close to the plot of a book that I've read... Just saying. Your answers are vague and it seems like you're trying to be cryptic but really it's coming off as ignorant and "redditing for lulz". Most of your stuff is also chalk full of grammatical errors and poor English which just further make you loose credit.

I remember when this sub was interesting and credible. This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

"Our government has contingency plans? No way, impossible!"

I found this a couple weeks ago. I think it explains what's behind the upcoming climate/geological catastrophes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7zhSARqcOEtsz7sZMVXke2tT-tNtJ5Or

tl;dw: Climate change is real, but not caused by human activity. The sun and solar system are headed into a more energetic part of space. It cannot be averted.

Are you trying to say there is going to be a catastrophic event that's going to happen but only affects the people on the surface of earth. That's why the global elite is going underground because they predicted it was going to happen?

This is actually a good thing. We're moving from the worst, most devolved age in our solar system Tha Kali Yuga, to the next, more energetically invigorated age - The Dvapara Yuga.

We don't live in a singular star system as it turns out, but a binary one - the star Sirius A being the sister star to our own Sol/Sun. These two stars revolve around one another in an orbit of about 4.5 million years. During that time, the energetic value of each star, as well as all the planetary bodies attached to and associated with each star, changes with the proximity of each star on one another. It’s very similar to what happened when two magnets are in varying proximity to one another. Their energy values change depending upon where they are in relation to one another.

Same with each star and their planets.

We were previously in a time when the two stars were furthest apart from one another. This created the lowest and darkest energy point in each stars’ existence. Hence, we were/had been in what’s referred to as The Kali Yuga - The Age Of Darkness and Avarice.

The two stars have past their respective aphelion points, however, and are now beginning to “round the corner” so to speak and making their way back around toward one another. This means that, as they’re coming closer to one another, their respective energetic values are increasing. This is why we are now entering the next age - The Dwapara Yuga. In this age, the energy value of everyone - human and non-human alike - increases. Human awareness and ability/sensitivity increases in this time, and the human lifespan goes from the 100 year limit as is generally the case now/today, to a 1000 year limit. This Dvapara Yuga, incidentally, also happens to be the age when the Bible took place - the “Jesus time”, so to speak. This is why you get so many tales of “miracles” happening during that time and so many lifespans that last literally hundreds of years - Methuselah living to nearly 970 years of age.

There’s lots in the bible that is fabricated bullshit. Yes. But there’s quite a bit of it that corresponds significantly to historical and scientific data as well. Gotta sift and separate the wheat from the chaff in it, so to speak.

It’s said that we’ve “officially” just entered into the Dvapara Yuga, and this is the reason why we are seeing an influx of savants and geniuses and kids of all kinds that have amazing and impressive abilities that just did not happen decades ago. We’ve only just entered this new time, however, so the planet and the human species won’t really begin to feel the REAL effects of the next age for a few more generations still.

TL;DR: You’re pretty much right in what you’re saying, bro.

Wow, thanks for the writeup. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it -- puts global politics, ancient history... everything into an entirely new perspective.

And not a peep from NASA. I wonder if other countries' space agencies (esp Russia, China, India..) are open about this?

They are not, BCS it's bs. Open about what? Ramblings from some redditor? Yeah, um sure they are all over it

No problem.

And not a peep from NASA.

Yep. Never A Straight Answer. They didn’t get that acronym for nothing!

I wonder if other countries' space agencies (esp Russia, China, India..) are open about this?

Definitely India, since the concept of Yugas comes from them, and likely a good portion of the rest of the East in general as well.

Do you know where I can find more information on Sirius because it is very hard to find.

Yeah. It is indeed pretty hard to find. This documentary right here, however, actually has a lot of very valuable information in it. Give it a look and go into it with a critical and discerning, but open mind.

I would love to hear more about this. Like I need to find out everything. I will watch that documentary you linked too but as of right now, I'm at my data limit. Are there an articles you can send my way to read up on this?

Much as I’m rather ambivalent about them, there’s a bit of information in this Wikipedia link. There’s also this link right here which gives you a pretty good run down of not only each Yuga itself, but various characteristics pertaining to them as well. The video in the link, when you get the chance to take a look at it, will help a lot, I feel, in getting you to wrap your mind around some of the things I talked about above.

As far as specific articles, nothing's actually coming to mind right now, but I will definitely come back and link some if any spring to mind.

Thank you. I have always known global warming is a real thing but I've never felt that it has been caused by humans in the way that we are told. This actually lines up very well with all of my studies in so many different aspects. I've always been good at knowing when something is wrong or when I'm not being told the truth, whether it's from the news or someone face to face in my day to day life. I couldn't even begin to tell you how often I feel like something is a miss but it occurs multiple times on a daily basis, for as long as I can remember.

Edit: on mobile, fixed autocorrect errors.

I have always known global warming is a real thing but I've never felt that it has been caused by humans in the way that we are told.

Very good point, sir, and you’re 100% right. We are getting very much hotter. And why is that? Well, because we’ve gotten just a touch closer to our sister star. That’s the main reason. Yep.

Interesting times we live in!

I know I'm slow at replying so I apologize for that. I just saw your last comment and I have to admit that I actually did laugh out loud.

I gotta tell you that I am actually a 27 year old girl rather than a sir. I haven't been on Reddit for a long time but I have noticed that everyone on here just assumes the OP is a guy for some reason. Even I do it too, unless the post/comment is obvious about the fact they're a female.

Sorry about that, chinkyzzirt27.

Except past 2k years were the most enlightened period in earth history. We came to.mars and moon but place carry on with bs

Except past 2k years were the most enlightened period in earth history.

That’s according to the history that your school books indoctrinated you to believe are “the” way things were. History is written by the winners marauders. Always remember that.

We came to.mars and moon but place carry on with bs

Might want to learn how to at least spell and construct proper grammatical sentences before attempting any critical statement in the future.

Good luck with that.

John Titor?

This life changing event in 2020, what countries do you think will be hit worst?

It's in 4 years, realistically what kind of event could happen?

All out war?

A super plague?

Nuclear warfare?

How do you know? Is it based off of what you researched or what your father said?

Is there anymore information you can give us OP?

Well-said.

Okay, so this event in 2020. Do you know if it will be caused by humans themselves? i.e. some cabal deciding they are going to destroy half the population so they somehow kill off a shit ton of people through continued war or a bomb or whatever? or will it be some sort of "natural event" instead like a meteor hitting planet Earth or an Earth quake that erupts and kills half of America or something?

Geological, artificial, manipulated, or natural?

Last question. What is already affecting parts of Europe? Is it diseases, economic collapse, immigration or NWO agenda?

Is it possible they'd activate the super volcano under Yellowstone?

To create a disaster in wich the modern day people have never seen the like of.

Would 'they' go that far?

Is Canada apart of "America " by chance bc we're pretty close and when the world speaks about America sometimes that includes Canada and sometimes it doesn't

He is referring to the water shortages. He's referring to the glass half empty and half full in his response. This paper offers some explanations and you should read it fully, but read page 7 paragraph 3 ( By 2025.. ) and page 8 paragraph 2 ( According to Tony Allen..)

Who is John Galt?

In case you're still wondering, this is merely a reference to 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand. This oft-repeated question is addressed in the third part.

edit; am I the only one who thinks The Fountainhead was her best work?

Howard Roark easily her best protagonist. Fountainhead is superior to Atlas Shrugged.

Indeed!

I think we can see whats going on here , username ie:i_reddit_for_lulz

If built in 1974 most likely a cold war nuclear bomb era scare

How do they get their sunlight?

Do you think they had actual knowledge of future events, like 'from being on the inside'?

Was it all stocked full of supplies and stuff already? I wonder how their lives will be down there after the sun destroys our electronics grids..

What's the light source in a cave?

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What kind of transportation did they have?

How did you get in? Was there a guard at the entrance of wherever you went? Did your friend have to show an id or a badge or something? Did a guard let him in or something?

How did this all happen/how did you get in?

I am sure if you were to drive close to there YOU would be stopped and asked to vacant the area.

So how come you guys didn’t get stopped as well? Do you think your friend either made a phone call beforehand to let whoever know “We’re going to the underground base today, so don’t fuck w/us.”? or did he have a special decal on his car or something?

When it came to the entrance, it was huge, like 15 story building huge.

O_o

Jesus. Wat? The entrance was that huge? Was it covered up or hidden? or was it just…out in the frickin’ open?

Also as mentioned, I thought we're going to crash into the side of a hill. LITERALLY.

Yeah. I’ve read all your comments in here so far. Did it LOOK like it was closed off and then…just opened up at the very last moment or something? Was it like an optical illusion or something? or did a trap door open, etc?

So if you were to get close enough, even 30-40 yards away, you probably wouldn't see it.

Was it covered over with moss or vines or something? WHY wouldn’t you be able to see it from that close?

I thought we were going to crash until we literally went right through it.

My father and his friend didn't even flinch.

Jesus…

Intense shit.

…So wait minute. I thought it was just you and your friend that went. It was…four of you that went? You, your friend, your father, and his friend?

they knew it was him and he was allowed to be there. I thought I conveyed this as obvious. Sorry if I didn't.

Ah. Okay. So they knew him. Okay. Na. I didn’t know this before. Thanks.

It was like a projection almost over the door itself.

Very frickin’ interesting.

I wonder if they had some sort of projection technology or something making that happen. You think?

Yes, like a optical illusion or a mirage.

Crazy. Well that answers that I guess. Again, very fascinating.

If you paid attention to the surrounds you would see a road with tracks going around the hills, but also going straight into it.

Dayem. Something like this or this sort of?

Wow. That's just...crazy.

I'm really interested and fascinated by this even though I wouldn't know what to ask or how to assess your credibility. At the very least this stuff is intriguing to think about. The real question would be... what would the catastrophic event be...

Can you elaborate on what kind of events might be happening ? Also,what do you mean by certain ways of life unravelling?

Ha! Well I guess things won't really change all that much for me then since I'm poor as fuuuuuuck.

Golfstrom, oil/energy shock or global EMP. Close?

Blast from the Past: the sequel

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124298/

"thank my lucky stars! a negro!"

My reaction as well actually.

lol it's an old movie about this grown man who has lived his entire life in an underground house with his parents who have been convinced (or convinced their son) that the world has ended or there was a huge war or something and it's too dangerous to go up there. However something happens and he has to go up there to get something for his family (it's kind of funny that the door that he enters the real world is actually inside of a porn shop) or something and he meets this bitchy girl and they fall in love, etc. I can't believe there's people who haven't watched this, I used to watch it all the time when I was younger.

Blast from the Past! And PLEASE NOT PEE WEE. PLEASE.

This reads like a description of the movie 'City of Ember'. I know there are big caves, and I know there are some secret underground bunkers / buildings and all, but there are a number of details here which sound a bit far fetched.

City of Ember is a movie about a bunch of people living in a deep underground city for hundreds of years. Really a pretty good movie IMHO. Worth watching. Seems to capture a lot of what you're talking about here.

Okay, the far fetched details.

First, this place you went was so top secret it was only for super VIPs - well beyond several living presidents of the USA. That's pretty gods damned super secret. And YOU and SOME GUY your DAD knows actually went there? Sorry, no. If this place was THAT super secret and off limits to 'normies' like you and me, there's no way you'd have gotten within 50 miles of the entrance. I mean, your dad would have to be a super important dude himself in order to be let in there.

(As an aside I dated the daughter of the head of the national air defense system back when I was in college. Yes, for real. I could name names which no doubt some people out here would pick up on. Was very interesting having conversations with that guy. He couldn't tell us until he got back that he'd been shipped off to 'the sandbox' for three weeks to figure out how to shoot down SCUD missiles. So I know just a little teensy bit about how top secret stuff is handled.)

Driving a gasoline car down in to the cave should have been a no-no. If that was the actual case, you'd have felt a strong breeze while down there from the ventilation system.

20 degrees down for 10-15 miles? No. I seriously doubt that. First, when driving underground, such as in a mine, it's really difficult to tell at what angle you're driving. At 5,000 feet below the surface, the temperature is about 105F and it's humid as fuck. Dry air is highly unlikely without a massively powerful ventilation system. As someone else stated, deeper than this things get stupid hot.

The furthest I've been underground is about 800 feet in a gold mine. It was cold, but the air was certainly not dry. There was water everywhere, and there was a huge ventilation system.

Mars? Wat. I'll go look in to the Marine Captain guy, but I'm doubting that we've got people on Mars. Given the required technology to get there, I'd be astonished. Not saying it's totally impossible, but extremely unlikely.

Look mang, you have to start dropping some verifiable information on this. By now, I'm certain people have traced your IP address and maybe even know who you are. The fact that you seem clueless about this fact (based on one of your answers to someone on this) sprays bullshit everywhere. There is no way you'd have been taken to a place like this without a very clear talking to about secrecy. And I guarantee, given what I know of how our government handles potential breaches of super secret information, you would never, ever come out on to Reddit with information like this if it were actually true. You'd be shut up real fast like.

Not trying to be disrespectful or to piss you off, but maybe I should ask what your point of all of this is.

My point is to ask you to give us some more concrete detail. Something actually verifiable. If you did that, and some piece of verifiable information went public, then maybe something would change. Maybe just something small, but it could be something.

Talking like you are out here, I'd be worried about a phone call to my father if I were you. 'Just a phone call' isn't how I know things are handled.

And if your dad IS that super important, then why would you jeopardize his goings on by talking about this stuff out here? Again, not being an a-hole; genuinely asking why.

You mentioned that someone said the oxygen came from underground. I'm no dummy, but I can't understand how this is possible. Can you elaborate?

You mention that maybe this was just meant to happen. But to what end? Rile the peoples?

I live in Marin County, CA.

It's not your old man I'm worrying about. Honestly, it's you. I know that if I was a super super super important dude and some guy went out on the net and told a bunch of people about my secret place, I'd have him disappeared. More importantly, I'd have made sure anyone who knew about my secret place would know they'd be disappeared if they said anything. That's anyone - including sons of important fathers.

So why say all this then if you're not going to give verifiable evidence? I suppose for the lulz, huh?

Yes I'm a bit riled. I know there are underground secret places - for sure. But things of this magnitude, and on a multiple scale (meaning apparently many of them), is pretty egregious. And our statements about things happening around 2020 are bothersome.

So you spoke with your father about you saying things out here. He's obviously in favor of it. Okay, so do him proud and go out with a bang. Drop some real evidence and change the US, or just stop. Without your willingness to be real and verifiable about something like this, your only single motive must be the lulz you get out of leading people on.

Here's where his story falls apart, if events took place that would cause people to move underground it's every man for himself, no one is important anymore, not even the POTUS, if it came down to my families survival I would kill whoever or whatever I had to to make sure they survived, if something like this existed the very people that created it would eat themselves, it's human nature.

You're right to be skeptical.

There are some pretty bigass cave systems, though. My dad said there were enough to stumble upon football-field-sized caves while playing as a kid in the bible-belt area. I'm sure with all of the mountains and the Great Basin in the West, there are tons of bigger formations out there.

Was this a private or state facility?

Have you done research on other slabs that may exist? If so, do you know how common they are?

During your research, if you haven't already, look up "Deep Underground Military Bases" or "DUMB's". There are videos of them on youtube, and its insane to believe that basically something the size of manhattan, with a ceiling that's tall enough that small airplanes can fly within the enclosed cave/wall space, exists.

Underground cities have always been used by the elite. They call themselves lucifer. The oldest city was recently discovered dating back to 1300 bc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

The luciferians run the show.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018

It's even rumoured they have bases on the moon. You're not the first whistle blower on this topic. Many ex military and Denver airport contractors report the exact same thing.

Have you heard of Phill Schneider? He was a whistleblower that worked on tunnels and DUMBs and has come forward and talked about them, the alien presence, alien technology, alien metals, alien agendas, alien agendas in relations to the NWO. He had many attempts on his life when he was coming forward and they finally got him two months after his last speech.

Edit: A word that was Autocorrected.

Wait... you uncovered researched that DUMB's were actually BUILT in the 1800's?!?!?!

WOW!!!

Mind sharing? Time to google for me!

I was hoping to come across the information myself, but I am unable to find that many articles/resources online, that list DUMB's as being found/discovered/built/spoken of, before the 1900's.

If you could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

Wow, this is really interesting. Thanks. Time to head down the rabbit hole!

DUMB's! A bunch of people so powerful that they've created a system where they have the financial means to build an underground town as fall out for the said created system.

Sounds like a psychopathic rationa to mel; they could just make world peace and remain above ground like the rest of us!

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heh...thas what ive been saying. like i think there is going to be a depopulation event sometime in the next 10 years but i dont think its going to be something anyone can prepare for unless you're very wealthy or connected.

i kinda just think alot of people will be going about their lives then..boom!

Mandatory RFID/Bio chips? Martial law? I've heard civil war and or balkanization of this country is going to happen. I expect alot of the blacks to wind up in GA, Fl, Al, etc

Good call, you sound somewhat legit. How likely is it that we actually engage in a war with russia?

Hopefully it'll be ET disclosure on or before.

Ah Jesus. When are the shit ptb on this planet going to finally disclose the truth of ET existence on this damn planet? Come the fuck on!

I know they're trying to hold that off as long as possible...but fuck me. Come on already!

But why... if you know they already exist, why do you need them to say it?

Well, on one level, you’re, of course, very correct in this. I don’t need validation from anyone since I personally already know they exist. However, there are a multitude of global effects that will take place upon ET disclosure, not the least of which will be the necessary and inevitable disclosure of free energy technologies - the suppressing of which I strongly feel happens to be the main reason why ET disclosure has most definitely not occurred. The last thing TPTB want is an undermining and a destroying of the multi-trillion dollar fossil fuel burning industry - and the disclosing of the existence of ETs on this planet will inevitably lead to the disclosing of free energy propulsion technologies (which is what many ETs use to travel many light years across/through space), and the disclosing of free energy propulsion systems will 100% do away with the archaic fossil fuel burning industry - taking away a shit ton of power form the elite.

Vicious circle kind of thing.

Also, disclosing ET existence on this planet will allow for a greater opening of open communication with ETs - which, although I know they’re already here on this planet, it would still be cool as all fuck to be able to openly talk see them, possibly talk w/them, etc.

So yes. Although I already know ETs are real and are here, I would still very much like open disclosure to occur.

I wouldn't count on it.

I wouldn’t either.

God dammit. :/

This is SCI-FI ET is your friend programming (kindly).

Explain that.

They would enslave the human race, as they are already doing.

Correct and of course, but you have to realize who "they" in fact are...and "they" aren't some big, bad, scary group that has plans to take over the whole planet. It doesn't work like that as far as the information I've researched goes.

There's not just one elite group in charge of "everything" on planet Earth. No. There are various (not a lot, but a few) elite "PTB" groups on the planet - many of which have not only different agendas, but agendas that conflict with one another.

Some of these super elite ptb groups are "service to self" (sts) groups that are indeed trying to cull and get rid of the human population and have the Earth all for themselves so to speak. These are the groups that have happened to be in power for some time now. There are also a few other super elite ptb groups that just happen to not be like that, however, and that happen to realize that the m.o. that the service to self groups are employing is actually self-defeating and, in the end, actually a bad thing - for the planet and for the species in general - so they are actively working against the "immediate and direct depopulation of the human population of planet Earth" agenda.

Shit's complicated, but even though there are indeed very powerful groups that DON'T have the best interest of the general human population on Earth in mind, there are in fact certain equally powerful groups that are indeed working to keep these other groups from going too, too nefariously crazy w/their agendas.

Your analysis sounds spot on based on the research I've done. Care to speculate about who these different groups are?

Sheesh. I can’t say that whatever speculation I might ponder would have all that much validity or worth, honestly. I mean who are the super powerful types on the planet?

• There’s, of course, the pope/the Catholic church/the Jesuits and those in charge there. I’m sure they’re either one faction or part of one powerful faction.

• There are the money changers/the Ashkenazi Khazarian fake Jews currently committing genocide in Palestine and who all but control the United States and the money supply here.

• There are those groups linked to and overseeing NASA and the JPL.

• I imagine the group responsible for CERN and The Large Hadron Collider definitely have their hand in some deep shit - especially w/massively occult stuff like this and this going on.

• There’s the group that Marine Captain Randy Cramer belongs to that’s a covert Marine special operations section not accounted for by the mainstream military.

And then there are the groups that fly so under the radar that not too many people are even aware of them.

These are all groups though - organizations. They are powerful - yes - but there are also individuals in existence that these groups can’t even really effect too much. There are individuals in the East that are more powerful than any external group of people.

There are people like Ram Bahadur Bomjon that has shown abilities quite significant indeed. It’s all similar to what the great Indian teacher Swami Vivekananda said:

The greatest men in the world have passed away unknown. The Buddhas and the Christs that we know are but second rate heroes in comparison with the greatest men of whom the world knows nothing.

So yes. There are indeed powerful groups all vying for control on this planet. However, it's not impossible for the individual to exert their own level of sovereignty where can.

Things are very complicated on this planet, but we are still very small in the grander scheme of things.

If you know this will happen, can you give us any advice for how to prepare?

Can you elaborate your population claim?

So what's the real number from your perspective and which countries have bogus population numbers?

Population reduction is a principal step for making the planet sustainable. Since people will never accept a global population control program, and even if they did you can't really prevent reproduction, other methods must be used to accomplish the same goal. If I had this kind of power I would do exactly as you're describing.

Remember, thinking in centuries and millenia, not years or decades.

Bro. Seriously. Look into/do research on Marine Captain Randy Cramer. He's said a lot of things about Mars and programs he was involved in that are very similar to some of the things you're talking about. And he does not sound like a kook - even though his information is REALLY out there.

I'll give you a bit of a head start. He has a lot of talks he's done since he first came out in 2014, but try the info in this one just for starters.

The main questions I ask myself with these so called "reveals" is

Why does it happen at all if it's real? We all know they have no moral restraints to kill people. If such program would be real the security behind it would shut these things off before or shortly after it happened and then isolate the event by silencing everybody around it.

And why do the interviewers(on both sides) usually look like crazy psycho cult members. That's the vibe I usually get from a lot of these so called UFO/Alien reveals.

So my trust in these currently available reveals is extremely low.

Why does it happen at all if it's real?

Why does what happen at all? The secrecy? The existence of ETs?

If such program would be real the security behind it would shut these things off before or shortly after it happened and then isolate the event by silencing everybody around it.

Wait a minute…if such a what were real? ET existence? And who would “shut these things off”? The U.S.? The military? Who?

Regardless, A) such a thing as ET existence on and around planet Earth is very much real, and B) they’ve been around here a looot longer than we human beings have. They created us. So no. We don’t really have anywhere near the power to just “shut them down” regardless of what we wanted one way or the other.

I don’t know if this is exactly what you’re referring to, however, so I may not even be addressing to the specific thing you were.

And why do the interviewers(on both sides) usually look like crazy psycho cult members.

They don’t. You’re just propagandized and haven’t dug deep enough into the subject to understand that many don’t look anything like “crazy psycho cult members”. All you’ve done is allowed yourself to be influenced by the cointelpro that TPTB have put forth on the surface level making everyone think of UFO researchers like this rather than this and the people here.

So my trust in these currently available reveals is extremely low.

Of course it is. It’s because, again, your understanding is only at the most superficial of surface levels on the subject where tons of cointelpro runs amok. To be sure, tons of cointelpro runs amok at the deep levels too, but there’s a lot more reality the deeper you go as well.

I didn’t dv you, btw.

If the black project is as real as the guy claims the whole interview would not have happened in the first place or any persons and distribution channels would have been silenced shortly afterwards by any means.

Shouldn't this obvious issue not make you question the whole thing?

You might believe that "they" created us based on some published books and webpages but that only makes it a theory. Fact requires verification which I haven't seen yet, did you?

If the black project is as real as the guy claims the whole interview would not have happened in the first place or any persons and distribution channels would have been silenced shortly afterwards by any means.

What “black project”? What “whole interview” are you talking about?

Shouldn't this obvious issue not make you question the whole thing?

I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about regarding any “black project” or “interview”.

You might believe that "they" created us based on some published books and webpages but that only makes it a theory.

There is no “belief”. There is intelligent and critical assessment based upon available data. That’s a far different thing altogether from mere “belief”.

Fact requires verification which I haven't seen yet, did you?

Nobody’s talking about “facts” here. That’s the problem. You’re looking for nothing but “facts” when the truth is that in this line of inquiry and investigation, you’re going to turn up almost nothing if that’s the only thing you’re looking for. What you have to be looking for aren’t necessarily facts as much as evidence. That can present itself in various ways and be rather subtle and not easily discernible - but ultimately very valuable all the same.

If all one is looking for is “hard facts!” then they’re going to simply miss the entire boat altogether because the roads which lead to truth in this area of inquiry are very, very gossamer and not easily pinned down.

The interview with the so called Randy Cramer who defines himself as a clone and a space super soldier which is the root of most of the latest stories about human colonies/mars/secret space programs.

Is the context of my post that unclear that this is that hard to comprehend?

My claim is quite simple. If the program exists then it is so top secret that such reveal likes Kramer's would not be possible or radically cleaned up.

If it exists and some people inside want to make people aware of it they would use people which have a certain scientific/public reputation with a certain trust level and not just people which at the most are only known in the UFO fandom with a vibe of a psycho cult which have a "need to believe".

I also can't seriously suspend my disbelief with stuff which comes from Wilcock's ilk about sphere alliance.

If this is still not clear enough I suppose any further communication would be futile because I truly don't know what else to say.

The interview with the so called Randy Cramer who defines himself as a clone and a space super soldier which is the root of most of the latest stories about human colonies/mars/secret space programs.

That’s actually nowhere near “the root of most of the latest stories about human colonies/mars/secret space programs”.

Military serviceman Bernard Mendez has gone on record talking about the same types of projects. Brett Stillings, another individual directly involved in the military, has gone on record talking about the same types of projects. Corey Goode talks about exactly the same thing. Laura Eisenhower - great granddaughter of president Dwight D. Eisenhower - has gone to great lengths to describe the same type of things, and did it long before Captain Cramer ever came out publicly. Long time Washington state attorney Andrew Basiago has gone on record talking at length about the very same types of technologies that Captain Cramer has.

…so now…what was that about Captain Cramer being “the root of the latest stories”? How is that even possible when there have been so many others that have already talked about similar projects? He’s not piggy backing on anybody else’s narrative - as the specifics of the information he has are different - but he is by far not the “only” one who’s come out talking about these types of technologies.

Is the context of my post that unclear that this is that hard to comprehend?

Yes. It very much was.

My claim is quite simple. If the program exists then it is so top secret that such reveal likes Kramer's would not be possible or radically cleaned up.

That might be a valid enough claim if Captain Cramer hadn’t received clearance from his superior officers to come out. Cramer isn’t a whistleblower. A whistleblower is someone who goes against the commands and rules of his/her superiors and “blows the whistle” as it were on an operation that is going on that is illegal or immoral. Captain Cramer is actually not doing that. He was approached by his superior officers and requested to come forward to the public and divulge the information that he is divulging.

That is a far, far different thing altogether from what a traditional “whistleblower” does.

If it exists and some people inside want to make people aware of it they would use people which have a certain scientific/public reputation with a certain trust level and not just people which at the most are only known in the UFO fandom with a vibe of a psycho cult which have a "need to believe".

This statement continues to show the deep, deep level of ignorance you have on this subject. Your thinking that any of the names that I’ve mentioned are the type that you described above indicates that you don’t know the first thing you’re talking about and are only making random statements based on whatever it is you want to make yourself believe is true. These are not the actions of an intelligent person - at all.

I also can't seriously suspend my disbelief with stuff which comes from Wilcock's ilk about sphere alliance.

You mention this, but you’re the only one mentioning it, as I haven’t mentioned Wilcox at all. Corey Goode existed and came out before Wilcox. Independent of Goode’s testimony, there is such an overwhelming number of other individuals that have come forward that an attempt to cherry pick someone who fits your false narrative shows nothing but a great shortcoming on your part. Nothing else.

If this is still not clear enough I suppose any further communication would be futile because I truly don't know what else to say.

Yes. Things are actually extremely clear with regard to where you’re coming from and what you do/do not know.

And yes. You should probably stop now, as you’ve more than shown enough in the area of how little you know about this dynamic.

Given the info you're writing here, I hope you're being very careful. For example not using Tor browsing (compromised) but a solid VPN or two. They'd easily be able to put 2+2 together once they have your IP address.

As you know, these secrets are kept very close to their chests because they don't want the sheeple to know what's really going on. You obviously have knowledge and are willing to share this above top secret info, so... Be very careful.

If they're as powerful and in control as we believe, there is very little that revelations like thus can do to affect anything and I doubt they care very much from a practical standpoint. The only reason would be one of betrayed loyalties.

They will never see the Mule coming.

Those who are going to Mars and have been (yes, you heard me), are not those who are living underground. The underground people are those who are powerful/rich enough, but not so powerful or rich to go elsewhere.

Dayem. So the underground powerful figures are powerful...but not "going to Mars" powerful.

I think Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld might be "going to Mars" powerful, believe it or not, as I've heard their names mentioned by at least one military figure who's come out talking about Mars and its being very inhabited.

That's what I'd initially think as well - yes. However, the Marine Captain I mentioned a moment ago mentioned seeing Rumsfeld in a group conversation being had by only very VIPs. It was a group that had knowledge of the very off planet stuff you touched on in this thread (and that Captain Cramer heavily goes into).

The people going off planet, unless slaves, they are people that names are forbidden to speak publicly.

Wouldn't doubt this at all, honestly. As deeply secret as are many military secrets on this planet, the off-planet military, industrial, and government secrets are likely at insane levels of secrecy.

This is an intensely, insanely, covert, corrupt planet we currently live on.

Can't make this shit up. Fact is far stranger than fiction. Truly.

as such my openness to see the truth of what surrounds me as increased dramatically since my younger years.

Good. Whatever gets you to have a more open mind. :)

Crazy times these are. Crazy times. Sucks that so many of us humans on this planet are kept from knowing about so very much that's really going on in existence. We live in a fucking bubble here. We are trapped in a prison planet...definite prison for the mind.

they are people that names are forbidden to speak publicly

Seems like a word is missing here...who is forbidden to speak their names? The media? You?

Are these names we have heard such as Rothschild and Kissinger or names we have never heard?

Edit: I tend to think that OP is telling the truth. A friend of mine, whom I trust implicitly, told me that when he worked as a cabbie he once drove a man way out to the middle of nowhere in PA and the man paid him, got out, walked a few steps and disappeared. Not like he vanished in puff of smoke, but he was there one minute, gone the next, like he just walked through an invisible door.

What can you tell us about the people at the top of the food chain? Not their names obviously but any other details? Are they human?

They're humanoid, but not necessarily Earth human.

How do they project their so called power and how do they make people at a certain level aware of it?

This remote viewing reminds me of "The Genesis Machine" by James P. Hogan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genesis_Machine

and the humanoid supervisors fits into his "Inherit the Stars" series where a break away/branched human civilization plays a role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_series

They have Project Looking Glass technology - i.e. time travel ability. Andrew Basiago has gone into great, great detail explaining his and his father’s involvement with wormhole and Looking Glass technologies.

I'll expose something here that you have never heard anywhere before. That this is known once you start to amass great enough power that you become a world threat.

I wonder how this fits in with figures like Ram Bahadur Bomjon who’s demonstrated abilities that are at the very least extraordinary.

This kind of comment makes me think that you are here with the blessing of our fascist overlords, to intimidate us into acquiescing in the face of an opponent with magical abilities.

they are people that names are forbidden to speak publicly

Would you be talking like Rothschilds or Carnegie's? Or could Vanderbilt's be going as well?

Aaaaand here's where you lost me, there aren't enough "powerful" or "rich" enough people to pull off something like this, if people like Rumsfeld "may" get into a place like this you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have the money and pull to get into something more exclusive than being a Vice President or a cabinet official.

This is not helping my anxiety.

But youre posting on an anonymous messaging board so idk how serouis i can take it!

What "will" happen?

War.

What general part of what country?

Ah. I've fantasized about being ridiculously rich and building an enormous fallout shelter underneath the Rockies. I guess I'm not the only one. ;)

What do you mean by "the government being unstable"? Do you believe that there may be food shortages, etc. that will cause massive riots?

That is already coming by way of a major global financial meltdown, given the derivatives bubble.

OP said climate catastrophe, but I have other opinions of those potentials.

but I have other opinions of those potentials.

What exactly do you mean by this? Do you claim that you are able to predict some effects of climate change?

No, I would not claim that.

I've been researching these topics for many years, and the time has come to start doing my part to inform others about what I've learned. As always, cross reference claims you see with other sources you dig for.

1. Some - not all - ultra-elite that are perpetuating above top secret and unacknowledged programs are Luciferian worshippers in nature.
2. Because of [1] this negative polarity bias, what they perceive will be evil in nature, similar to the double slit experiment, as in quantum physics studies. (i.e. matter at its most elemental nature that is observed behaves differently than when it is not observed, and what observations can/not be concealed etc.)
3. The ultra-elite DO have access to future event prediction technologies, so they have looked into the future, but those technologies are apparently affected by said double slit quantum effects.
4. Put 1 - 3 together, and you end up with perceived negative world ending events, that might happen to the observer, but not actually occur for the vast majority of the world's population.

There are many possible global catastrophes, giant meteor, coronal ejection from the sun (massive super heated "flame/s" swinging out from our sun hitting the earth, at best frying all electronics, at worst frying everyone on the surface), pole shift leading to global volcanoes and earthquakes and a magnetic shift of the North and South poles... etc etc. Point is, these are all scenarios the ultra elite have witnessed, but as per my points 1 - 4 above, there is ZERO certainty any of these will happen.

Think drones and nerve gas/biological toxins. They stay underground long enough for bodies to decompose and when the nasty disease danger is gone it is safe to emerge. Maybe chemtrails are the test phase.

The walls seemed like glass most likely, they do something that liquefies and either crystallizes or just makes a strong shell or something.

This would not surprise me at all.

I want to know 3 things:

What do they have in-case of an event that atmospheric oxygen is depleted below the levels to sustain life/brain function?

What happens when they run out of food/water?

Where do they get their energy? (This has probably advanced massively, but I am still curious on what you have to say)

You know very little then, if there is lifestock, they need hardcore ventilation of sometype.

If they are using nuclear fission, they better have sodium covered rods instead of heavy water to use up 95% of the fuel, to avoid buildup of nuclear waste, and there is very little actual food/non-perishables that still cannot last 100+ years.

EDIT: I don't mean your not smart, I mean that there is a great amount of detail you are unaware of, the visual perspective that you give is great though.

Meaning they had advanced ventilation, and a way of supporting oxygen within the cavern, very nice.

The amount of water required to cool nuclear reactors is prohibitive for underground use.

Where are you from? English does not seem to be your first language.

So at the end all be all of this who if anyone is on our side ? Bc honestly being born already disadvange what can I do ? I have young children. I ve always known that something was off even as a young child but realistically speaking from where I am standing if there was something I could do I'd do it not just to save myself or my family but for every person EVERY person..... At the end of the day for the most part I'm at a loss of what to do to change my situation for the better at the expense of no one of course ....... Any advice ?

Being that I can say I'm not all that smart when it comes to thinking outside the box but I think I get what your saying and it won't hurt to try anyway lol thank you for your time

What was the primary perceived future event? What kind of recreational systems were available? Was it like a Fallout Vault?

What separates each slab? Grass?

Do you have any advice or knowledge on how we as a society could stop a catastrophe in 2020 from occurring? Is is chemtrail methane related?

Well this is depressing. Anyone got a rusty razer blade?

Knowing this is going to happen what are you doing to prepare or spend your time on? Do you have children?

wtf, no pics?

Are they also C.H.U.D.S.? Because if they are, then that would /r/mildlyinteresting

I would imagine Minnesota or Michigan maybe.. Potentially North Dakota?

How weighty would you consider the influence of the coming solar cooling event ( https://www.sott.net/article/330118-Sun-goes-spotless-for-fourth-time-in-2016-Ice-Age-a-matter-of-when-not-if ) as far as the way of life change you speak of around 2020, or the more drastic event you say will come later?

Are those who are responsible for the coming 'apocalypse' event connected to those Vril / nazi / Antarctic dudes? Also, what part do the Georgia guide stone 'pr' freaks play in this drama? Thanks for this fascinating thread. I'd ask you to save me a spot in the bunker but I think I'd rather spark one up and watch the show.

Built into a cave system? It makes sense what you are describing. Do you have any of your own research to share, links?

When you say the main area was already there, do you mean the houses or was it just a big Cavern?

If you wouldn't mind PMing me your maps/pics/etc. I'd be grateful!

Pwetty pweez with a cherry and sugar on top?

How the heck would a project of such magnitude, involving thousands of people (including low-lever workers with no commitment to secrecy), not be known by everyone? Makes no sense.

CERN was established in the mid-1950s. It's been nice reading your YA fiction novel.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I heard all fucking about CERN before it was built.

Well even though I understand your point, I'm military (not American) and, as far as my experience goes, there is no such thing as the secrecy that is depicted in movies. Maybe high-ranking officers would keep their mouths shut, but the guys who operate the heavy machinery, who toil every day, the lowest levels of such project, simply do not comply. Even though I like your story, it still makes no sense.

There's a level of secrecy so far beyond day to day existence that these kinds of secrets keep themselves. Part of it is people can't believe they know such a thing and so only ever share it with those who already know. We all experience this in our lives at one point, or many. There's no need to posit "special" secret keeping abilities - it's a fact of human nature and easily manipulable for those who study it.

I've read a bit about some of these organizations and they don't think in years or decades they think in centuries and millenia. So do I. And that makes touching certain parts of human nature very, very easy. But to say I understand how they think would be too generous...

A strict military style code of conduct, with heavy penalties. I'd imagine everyone for the most part would understand that it's in everyones favor, for this to remain a secret.

People who are let in to this type of "community" would be highly vetted, background check, tested etc. The main criteria though is money, and a belief system characterized by seeing all others as inferior, like you're above everyone else. In this sense, anyone involved wouldn't want to tell the minions.

I'm not vouching for this story given the few details, but I do know about our honeycomb earth, it's not as some erroneously describe as hollow earth. Imagine how many people live on the surface and limited to our continents (about 7 billion). Honeycomb style chambers hundreds of miles deep, in many layers under our oceans too, means you could easily fit Quadrillions of people, even with a certain buffer depth above the core. Then of course you need to start thinking about their craft to reach such depths efficiently.

Bruh, do even understand how pressure and temperature changes as you go deeper. What you just described is fucked for so many reasons.

You will think this is crazy, but your perspective is rooted in current day "post-industralization" science. Today's entire paradigm of science we've been taught will be re-written.

Similar to when Copurnicus said the earth is a sphere, all "scientists" in his day told him he was nuts and deserved to be locked up because get this, everyone at the time thought our earth was flat, and everything revolved around it, including the sun. That was one paradigm shift, but it's child's play compared to the shift that's coming. :)

I told you you were going to think this is crazy.

You can prove this to yourself. Go on a tour of a very, very deep cave. Or a coal mining shaft.

You can see how the atmosphere and temperature changes dramatically once you get low enough.

This isn't just you being idiotic and believing junk science - it is easily proven false: https://np.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1tvick/how_deep_can_a_mine_be_before_the_heat_is_too/

Your claims equate to me saying something like "The sky is really pink, and only because the government is lying to us do we think it is blue."

The honeycomb earth offers three dimensional living regions, length times width times depth, as opposed to what most think is limited to the 2D surface.

Before you go off the deep end and lose your mind in reacting to what I'm saying, the breakaway groups with the connections, resources and the proper perspective on humanity have tech that would counteract any effects of deep earth dwellings. I'm not saying people live five miles from the Earth's core, but these spaces are definitely many dozens of miles below the surface.

Current science versus Natural Law. In the current paradigm, how much matter and energy can we observe in our universe? Answer - 4%!! Argue all you'd like, but the reality of our current scientific paradigm is this:

The other 96 percent is made of stuff astronomers can't see, detect or even comprehend.

A) How do you know what "Natural Law" is?

B) What does the problem of Dark Matter have to do with the nature of the Earth's interior? That we don't get one thing in a completely unrelated discipline doesn't say anything about another discipline. If anything, this should reinforce trust in the scientific understanding, because it shows scientists when they don't understand something don't just make crap up.

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Why are people in Silos fucked but not Slab people? When the Slab peoples shit was made in the 90's?

I feel like super duper advance tech not available to the public in the 90's was maybe early to mid 2000's levels, this is totally based on ignorance of course, but still please explain further.

Since that was 22yrs ago any chance your father's friend died, maybe you should bust a move. Kinda like Jack in L O S T, YOU HAVE TO BACK (to the island).

Damn they had live stock? I could see why this has consumed you in some respects.

You give this subreddit a bad name.

You must be great fun at dinner parties.

Everyone gets a satisfied hump, if that's what you're asking.

It wasn't a question secret squirrel.

quick squirrel hump

Is there anything we can do OP?

if there is an extinction level event coming, I would like to survive - specifically.

Australia?

Africa is a large place, friend.

I'm guess you're not talking about Liberia-Somalia-Eritreea-Ethiopia (these would go back to the stone age in a day if the rest of civilization collapses)

or the Magreb -

or the Saharan countries Mali-Western Sahara-Niger.

The West Coast countries Nigeria-Ghana-Senegal-Ivory Coast are too densely populated and really vulnerable to mass extinction events themselves already.

the CAR and the Congo and Zimbabwe are basically stone age nowadays anyway.

So that leaves Botswana, Uganda, Rwanda and maybe Madagascar.

Do you plan to move there before 2020 ?

I'd could move there in about 2-3 years time, save some money till then and just get a couple of acres where i can do some survival level farming.

But if you're serious, give me a little bit more on which part of Africa should I be aiming for.

Fall out 4 in real life

I got bored reading the vagueness of the posts. Can anyone summarise and is there actually proof in anything he said?

obvious troll is obvious, look at the user name idiots.

Go to his profile idiot. You'll see he's not a troll.

Maximum gullibility achieved.

Uh huh.

Mind = Blown. But seriously, gtfo of here with your shitty post of no substance what so ever.

Take ur meds bro

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Go to his profile to see he's not a troll. Don't jump to conclusion without researching.

Ummmm so you believe this guy went to some underground base with no proof or evidence and for some reason just now wants to tell the world what he saw?ooooookkkkkaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Oh yeah dude?just like 2012,y2k and all the other times things have been predicted and didn't come true. Why don't you bring some factual evidence to the table before posting shit. The only thing that will happen near 2020 will be that the world is 4 years older and people will be a little more wiser to believe bullshit like this. If this can even be considered a conspiracy at all it would need some base,a grain of sand in the things you say yet you can't provide anything. Quit feeding people horse shit to feel important.

you would have wished instead of being a ass, you would have instead asked the right questions to get the answers you need.

But you haven't given any answers to anyone... There are plenty of questions in this thread yet you have diverted from answering them.

*loses

Removed. Rule 10.

OP is Donald Trump?

I HAF SEKRITZ UPBOAT TO KNOW MOR PLS GIBE KRAMA FOR POST THNK U

op is full of shit

It's funny how everyone's enterining the thought that this is legit. When he has answered every single question with "I can't tell you, or I don't know". Honestly, this just feels like a paradoy of the AmA subreddit. (Ask me anything but I can't tell you anything. For those that didn't get what I meant).

No I've read just about every comment here. And that sums up every response from you. It's either because you were too young at the time, and didn't care about it. Or you just wasn't paying that much attention. You even stated you don't exactly know what your dad does or who he even talks to, let alone who the people were that invited you.

But I mean you guys are asking for like the specifics of the engineering of this facility. If OP is telling the truth how could you expect him to have this information? I'd be way more skeptical if he did have specific engineering information.

Yeah, now you say that after you deleted most of what you posted in the first few hours the thread went up. I went backed and reread this thread, and every post where you refused to answer questions(and saying you don't know his job) are now deleted. That I'm not making up. I read everything when you started this topic.

Yeah, now you say that after you deleted most of what you posted in the first few hours the thread went up. I went backed and reread this thread, and every post where you refused to answer questions(and saying you don't know his job) are now deleted. That I'm not making up.

https://unreddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/55g963/22_years_ago_i_was_invited_through_a_friend_of/

That's the unreddit of this post, proving he hasn't deleted anything.

He reddits for the lulz bro. This thread is bullshit.

This shitpost actually has 142 upvotes....... just another day in r/conspiracy

Ah Jesus. When are the shit ptb on this planet going to finally disclose the truth of ET existence on this damn planet? Come the fuck on!

I know they're trying to hold that off as long as possible...but fuck me. Come on already!

So... Basically we're living in the Truman show?

And there is absolutely no way for you to know, unless you know what the tells are.

Let me guess, you are an expert at recognizing these "tells?"

I live in Marin County, CA.

It's not your old man I'm worrying about. Honestly, it's you. I know that if I was a super super super important dude and some guy went out on the net and told a bunch of people about my secret place, I'd have him disappeared. More importantly, I'd have made sure anyone who knew about my secret place would know they'd be disappeared if they said anything. That's anyone - including sons of important fathers.

So why say all this then if you're not going to give verifiable evidence? I suppose for the lulz, huh?

Yes I'm a bit riled. I know there are underground secret places - for sure. But things of this magnitude, and on a multiple scale (meaning apparently many of them), is pretty egregious. And our statements about things happening around 2020 are bothersome.

So you spoke with your father about you saying things out here. He's obviously in favor of it. Okay, so do him proud and go out with a bang. Drop some real evidence and change the US, or just stop. Without your willingness to be real and verifiable about something like this, your only single motive must be the lulz you get out of leading people on.

You can prove this to yourself. Go on a tour of a very, very deep cave. Or a coal mining shaft.

You can see how the atmosphere and temperature changes dramatically once you get low enough.

This isn't just you being idiotic and believing junk science - it is easily proven false: https://np.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1tvick/how_deep_can_a_mine_be_before_the_heat_is_too/

Your claims equate to me saying something like "The sky is really pink, and only because the government is lying to us do we think it is blue."

Wat?

In one hundred years very little food will be edible. Please go back to your doctor. You're wasting your life by dwelling in these delusional episodes. I know the meds make you feel like shit probably but at least you're living in the real world. Take care.

I say we, as a populace, do our own False Flag. We lose our shit, loot, rampage, burn all the things down! Then these effers can lock themselves underground, we can go back to living peaceful lives. Idk what we do with the nationwide underground townships of psychopaths, but as long as they're locked in there, is that our problem? Does this logic make me a psychopath too? Can't we all just get along!?

Except past 2k years were the most enlightened period in earth history.

That’s according to the history that your school books indoctrinated you to believe are “the” way things were. History is written by the winners marauders. Always remember that.

We came to.mars and moon but place carry on with bs

Might want to learn how to at least spell and construct proper grammatical sentences before attempting any critical statement in the future.

Good luck with that.

Thank you for some amazing and detailed answers. I'm choosing to believe everything you are saying, because I only have something to gain to do so, and not lose.

Take care and please remain safe.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the pros/cons about each of these scenarios. But I also know that many people exist in 'leadership' roles, who THINK they have the intelligence and experience needed to make the greater choice on behalf of many other citizens. Recent history, and most of history has shown us that most times, these "leaders" are vastly unexperienced, largely unintelligent, and many times, corrupt.