New Evidence of CTR on Reddit from Podesta Emails [OC]

1160  2016-10-10 by AdviseMyAdvice

I'm reposting this as a text post because I think it's probably easier for people to read.

http://i.imgur.com/qWsODG2.jpg

TPs: HILLARY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS; Sent to CTRFriendsFamily@americanbridge.org

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3282

/u/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum (redditor for 8 months) is a moderator in /r/HillaryClinton and you can see that this entire post came straight out of the ctr playbook via their talking points emails

https://np.reddit.com/user/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum/

In case he starts deleting, I have archived some account history here http://archive.is/OsHYi. Below I have simply copy/pasted text directly from the WikiLeaks email (3282) to show how it matches to the image above. Links to the posts are included after.

In the Senate, Hillary Clinton supported increasing the minimum wage and voted repeatedly to protect and increase it. She was an original cosponsor of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, and authored the 2006 and 2007 Standing with Minimum Wage Act to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

· As a Senator, Hillary Clinton supported progressive tax policies that required millionaires to pay their fair share. She opposed tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations in 2001 and 2003, and she supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including tax credits for student loan recipients, and keeping in place the tax cuts for those who make under $250,000 a year.

o Clinton has said “that inherited wealth and concentrated wealth is not good for America,” and she has consistently voted against repealing the estate tax on millionaires, doing so in 2001, 2002, and 2006.

· Hillary Clinton supported working families going through difficult times through no fault of their own. In the Senate, she was a bipartisan leader on fighting to extend emergency unemployment benefits.

· Hillary Clinton knows that tomorrow’s shared success starts with today’s child, and her dedication to children began long before she ever entered public office. In fact, her first job out of law school was for the newly-formed Children’s Defense Fund, an organization she would later chair.

Hillary Clinton has worked to expand access to early childhood education for children of lower-income families. As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton introduced her husband to the HIPPY program, which expanded early childhood education to economically disadvantaged children. In the Senate, Clinton partnered with Kit Bond in an effort to expand voluntary full-day pre-K for children from low-income families. Today, as part of the Too Small to Fail Initiative to improve the health and well-being of children five and under, Hillary Clinton is working to close the “word gap” for kids in low-income families who often have smaller vocabularies than their classmates.

https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/50yy0u/im_sick_of_all_the_slander_and_innuendo_what_are/d785g15

https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/4vn5du/if_you_had_a_chance_to_give_undecided_voters_a/d5zq0f0

http://i.imgur.com/kbkZR3U.jpg

Exact same post as above but this time from /u/FrenchQuaker...

https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/4tpj4z/cmv_hillary_would_be_a_perfectly_fine_president/d5jkgct?c

http://i.imgur.com/6Y7qBZX.jpg

Submitted by /u/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum

https://np.reddit.com/user/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum/submitted/

Also archived here: http://archive.is/OsHYi

http://i.imgur.com/AJHCZaX.jpg

Odd deletion from /u/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum

https://np.reddit.com/r/FemmeThoughts/comments/4v7meg/roe_v_wade_will_be_overturned_if_trump_wins_pence/

http://i.imgur.com/7sLKKQH.jpg

More talking points...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3194

/u/SnatcherBadger seems to do a better job at summarizing CTR's talking points, but they are definitely still here. Like above, I have copied text directly from the WikiLeaks email (3194) and pasted it here below. A link to the post is at the bottom.

MESSAGE: Hillary Clinton has dedicated her life to ensuring that hardworking Americans can succeed. In uncertain times, families need faith that opportunity for their children and grandchildren is alive and well. Hillary Clinton wants the American Dream to be a real possibility for every child and every family across our nation.

BOTTOM LINE: Leading the charge for equal pay for equal work, fighting to increase wages, strongly advocating for progressive tax policies and access to education and healthcare to help middle-class families – Hillary Clinton has fought for an America and a future where everyone can rise to their potential.

· Hillary Clinton has worked to expand access to early childhood education for children of lower-income families. As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton introduced her husband to the HIPPY program, which expanded early childhood education to economically disadvantaged children. In the Senate, Clinton partnered with Kit Bond in an effort to expand voluntary full-day pre-K for children from low-income families. Today, as part of the Too Small to Fail Initiative to improve the health and well-being of children five and under, Hillary Clinton is working to close the “word gap” for kids in low-income families who often have smaller vocabularies than their classmates.

· In the Senate, Hillary Clinton supported increasing the minimum wage and voted repeatedly to protect and increase it. She was an original cosponsor of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, and authored the 2006 and 2007 Standing with Minimum Wage Act to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

· *In a San Francisco speech, Clinton revealed some of what may be her economic message: “Who’s on your side?” *According to the Washington Post, “Here in San Francisco on Monday, Clinton gave a spirited call to arms to Democrats as she road-tested what is likely to be her economic message if she runs again. The November midterms, she said, come down ‘to a simple question: Who’s on your side?’ She sounded close to her party’s populist marrow when she decried the erosion of economic security for many working Americans, and a long way from her tone-deaf remark earlier this year about being ‘dead broke’ when she and Bill Clinton left the White House in 2000. ‘It’s time to elect leaders who will fight for everyone to get a fair shot at the American dream,’ Hillary Clinton said.”

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4fv43z/hillary_pac_spends_1_million_to_correct/d2cuhz1

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Comments by /u/SnatcherBadger

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Mid-primary there was no Clinton supporters online on social media, then when we heard about the SuperPAC spending money online to troll Bernie supporters, it became obvious.

http://www.notreddit.top

You can take a look at the most downvoted stuff, next election im gonna setup my own army of Anti-CTR bot for reddit.

ty they so deserve it

im just glad the fcc published all their names

so sorry facebook is against my religion

I'm not certain reddit will be as relevant in 4 years as it is today.

If it keeps at its current pace I agree wholeheartedly, I don't even recognize the site anymore, unfiltered /r/all is just a complete shit show, almost every post is about the election

That's why I suggested that Reddit should sue CTR for tortious interference a while back...

https://np.reddit.com/r/HillaryForPrison/comments/4vth79/dear_reddit_please_sue_correct_the_record_ctr_for/

I suggested that Reddit should sue CTR for tortious interference

There's a problem with this. How so?

Reddit is privately owned and run for profit. CTR (or someone associated with them) is a paying customer. We are the product.

Think of it this way. There's millions and millions of people hanging around reddit everyday. Some come here to look at cute pics of kittens, but many people come here for news and discussion about things that are important to them.

Most of these people are sound asleep. They take what they see on reddit at face value. So this represents a huge block of people that can potentially be influenced. So along comes a customer who's looking to influence public opinion and they're willing to pay reddit to let them have a go at us.

You think reddit's owners are gonna say no... let alone sue them?

If anything, they get pissed off when someone wises up, spots the shilling and manipulation and calls them out on it. This is why they delete such comments and (legitimate) users get banned. This is why shills have the run of the place and never get banned or hassled.

This is what you get as soon as there's money involved.

I think all of that is very possible, but the goals of that post were to:

1) Encourage Reddit to sue CTR

2) Generate awareness of CTR

3) Hint to people that we need to leave Reddit if this continues

If you're right then it needs stop asap or we need to get off this website.

Sometimes I feel like Reddit just got a bunch of people to act like it was Facebook without the faces and names of you so everyone would share everything without care. They know everyone's feelers and likes. Lists for days.

2) Generate awareness of CTR

This is your best strategy. Why?

Because of a couple of reasons. One, if we just run away to some dinky little site where "they'll leave us alone" they win. We should stick around and keep sticking it to them.

The second reason for generating awareness of CTR is that it reduced their effectiveness. Once people realize what's going on, they don't just accept things at face value. Instead of looking at CTR-influenced content, they see through it.

That makes a huge difference.

I do kind of hope that something better will come along and replace reddit, but I think they've hit the sweet spot in a way like facebook did with social media. Think about it, there was already a bunch of sites like fb, such as myspace or friendster, so it wasn't a unique or even better experience, they just found the right set of users and cemented their place. It's the same with reddit, there was digg or stumbleupon, and reddit just happened to be the one that won out.

Besides, even if something uprooted reddit, there's no way that anything this popular would stay a "bastion of free speech," it would be just as susceptible to CTR. Maybe even more so. Imagine a group like CTR creating a reddit replacement with the intention of being an alternative.

Yeesh, now I'm getting too tin foily.

They tapped young uni students first and both sites molded the putty ones into their army of useful idiots.

If I remember correctly reddit exploded when Digg did a redesign that everyone hated (v4?). It's not that reddit was all that. Reddit could easily be usurped. http://voat.co

This is what a cryptocurrency like STEEM hopefully will do.

What can we do about this? I hate both of these candidates, but freedom of speech is a staple of the American dream. We are being actively censored, and I feel powerless as an individual.

I saw a theory bandied about that they went public because Nina Turner had left CTR (she was all in for Hillary before discovering Bernie) - and she was going to blow the lid off CTR.

I would love to hear more of this story, or for it to be a little bit true.

Is there a way to see exactly how many downvotes these have?

Thanks for the link, so pathetic. Imagine how much more complete in terms of diversity of opinion and coverage /r/politics would be if those articles were allowed to breathe like they should.

Anyone else noticing everything about the Podesta wikileaks since Friday has been downvote brigaded or removed by mods?

I haven't, unless you're talking about /r/politics. Those mods will ban you just for thinking about CTR.

Yes I mean r/politics. It's the fucking twilight zone there now.

Yeah...even the Mod are bored with Hillary now. They had this up for 4 hrs](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/56zhfb/css_update_now_with_user_flair/) and removed it.

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Yes?

Oh cool a /r/politics mod. Thanks for bringing one in /u/BuildTheWalle. While we're at it can we also get /u/tme001, /u/Trauermarsch, /u/Jakeable, and /u/StrictScrutiny in here so we can finally clear some things up on my ban?

Chat log 1 with /r/politics mods - http://imgur.com/a/9Qrx3

Chat log 2 with /r/politics mods - http://imgur.com/a/jZyrR

This is is what /u/tme001 wrote (in chat log 1):

The spammed comment can be found: Here

Here

Here

Here

Here

Comment spam is addressed under "No Trolling" and it explicitly says that it will result in a ban. Do not message us about this any further.

I replied with:

You linked 5 different comments on 5 different posts. How is that spamming and where is the rule that you can't post the same comment 4 or more times? I didn't see that anywhere on the Wiki.

Thanks for your time. Sorry about this I'm just trying to participate and I didn't mean to break the rules if I did. Just looking for some clarity.

And then I was banned for 3 months (after the election) without a response. I even tried contacting you mods again (chat log 2) for some clarity but you won't give me a straight answer. If you actually open up the comments linked above you'll see that they are all custom tailored replies with some of the same content and they are on 5 DIFFERENT POSTS. I'm just looking for an answer. How is what I did considered spamming?

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Hey so we have a rule against comment spamming here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/wiki/rulesandregs#wiki_no_trolling

It is designed with the goal to obviously prevent spam. However I am not convinced the rest was done above board. Let me take a closer look. Most of this seems reasonable and the responses would typically indicate an unban after a warning.

Can I have the permalink to the two modmails?

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After review we have commuted it to a 21 day ban. Sorry for the trouble! Thanks for reaching out.

It looks like I have 2 days left on this current ban instead of a couple more months. Much appreciated, but I'm still curious as to how what I did is considered spamming. Were my 5 comments on different posts really considered spam?

Spamming the same comment 4 or more times is against are rules, which you can find in the wiki on the sidebar.

I could never find this rule that /u/tme001 mentioned, but none of my comments were the exact same anyway. So even if the rule he described actually existed his argument doesn't really hold up, right?

Thanks again and I do appreciate it, but an explanation is honestly more important to me than the unban at this point. And considering my ban was commuted it also seems like my mute is even less justified. I was muted looking for an explanation. And then simply ignored the second time I asked.

We don't list the exact parameters as to avoid problematic spammers. Hope you understand.

Honestly I don't understand at all. If that's the case then why did /u/tme001 say anything to begin with? Was I banned for being problematic with my spamming? Why was I muted when it turns out that I was justified in my questioning (proven by my commuted ban)?

Did you look at my posts and see that they were not the same and that they were posted in different posts? Can 5 comments really break a subreddit? No, right? Isn't that what the downvote button is for instead of silencing dissent?

What if /r/politics allows continued duplicate posts for certain political agendas (e.g. there are two posts about Rudy Giuliani not remembering standing next to HRC on 9/11). Am I allowed to paste the same comment into both?

The why's of mod mail interactions I don't know as I wasn't part of that discussion. I only know what I can see after the fact. That's why I wanted to go dig into our note/backend stuff to investigate.

So to clarify, you saw that my comments were different, right? Why am I still banned for 2 days if I'm not guilty? I get that being a mod must be tough and time consuming, but if you have time to read and reply to /u/RoboBama above then you'd think that at least one mod could take the time to provide a legit reply.

If you guys are really that swamped I would be happy to join your mod team.

Link to apply

Your comments were >90% similar. Usually only that opening paragraph changed. That still qualifies as spam.

They say too much of a good thing can be bad. Is that the new policy? Those comments each had different thoughts plus content/sources relevant to the post/comment.

And some of those posts were sure quality... e.g.

Trump once said TV ruined politics. Then it made him a star.

Enquirer: It has to be Hillary Clinton

My gut tells me that this is bs.

They were not nearly different enough with the vast majority being repeated content, therefore subject to comment spam rules.

Promise I am being as transparent as I can be here. You don't have to believe me.

This filter you run to identify similar comments... do you use it for HRC-positive emails?? If so...

Of course not. He made a big enough stink to get some PR lackey to slightly change the ban. They're just a PR rag for the universally DESPISED Shillary cunt-faced bitch liar Clinton.

I think it's pretty cool of you to not only respond but to also continue the conversation to the best of your ability. I'm sorry the response has been downvotes on a few comments.

Eh it's alright. Just part of the territory. Appreciate it.

Not really. Get enough attention and this PR firm eventually HAS TO respond. Exactly as we saw here.

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I mean he just said to you though, since he wasn't a part of the original decision making party, he doesn't know. He could try to find out but i mean, if your ban bullshit fell through the cracks then i wouldn't hold your breath for their team communication

Think about it this way: He's a /r/politics mod, you're luckier than most that you even got a response, much less a ban commute.

That's my point. There's been a lot of bans lately over in /r/politics. I'm sure many are justified, but how is it that 5 different comments are considered spam? My ban may have been commuted, yes, but it still doesn't make sense why I was banned in the first place or why my ban was commuted. I'm either guilty or I'm not, right? If I didn't do anything wrong then why do I still have 2 more days left on my ban?

And on another note, transparency is a good thing. Nobody should get banned for breaking a secret rule. If I get an answer here maybe another Redditor will read it and go on to never break that rule ever in /r/politics. Wouldn't that be a good thing?

You have to think about the sheer size of politics, and therefore the amount of value that spammers see in fucking with it. I bet, as mods, they've had long-winded, annoying, borderline mind-numbing conversations about the spam problem plaguing their subreddit.

They've probably gotten buttfucked by spammers so much, no matter what direction they turn, at such a fast space, they've turned to hiding the rules from the spammers so that they can stop the spam-rape that occurs.

Or they could just use the secret spam rule as a catch-all for banning opposition. Im playing devil's advocate however cause being a mod fucking blows.

I've been banned from /r/politics before for "harassment" or whatever. inlammatory speech. So here's what i did to fight back:

I reported everyone in every thread for 5 straight days who engaged in that towards me. I actually started to see a difference being made in Shill content. It was actually cool. Go review my post history to see if you can spot where i used it lol.

but yeah as a whole, i wish /r/politics would stop letting their subreddit get gamed.

You and me both. Reporting really does help though. It's hard to deal with the sheer volume without the reports.

How many pro-Hillary posts do you remove under your spam policy?

I'll ask you again: how many pro-Hillary posts do you remove under your spam policy?

Mighty convenient

It's clear you do NOT have a "spammer" here and ANY ban is now inappropriate.

Crystal clear.

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For lessening a ban length?

You are an absolute piece of shit...

Removed. Rule 10.

Rule number 10 bans the truth now? Wow.

How much does CTR pay per posf? I need some money on the side.

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Oh its you again.

You paged me.

No...you paged me.

When you put someone's username in a post it pages them with a notification.

yes...but you paged me first

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Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

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Rule 10. Removed. 1st warning.

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We welcome dissent. What we do not welcome is personal attacks on other users. You can disagree with someone without the personal attacks.

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Grow up. Removed. Rule 10.

It's not just there, I was banned from a local news website I've been posting on for more than five years. I never used any profanity. I supported a police officer that was fired upon and returned fire and questioned things like the erasure of emails, perma-banned. I'm pretty sure I now understand how Hitler rose to power, they simply silence any contrarian voices and elevate the believers above all others.

Politics isn't accepting any links from WL, fyi. As of Monday, I think.

Officially?

After digging for a few minutes, I can't find anything 'official' in the wiki on politics, and I'm not sure how to find previous mod posts or stickies, where I read it was discussed. I remember on Monday though when the new WLs came out, they were on every sub but /politics and I thought I remembered them being on there before. Others were discussing it in various subs on Monday as well.

Maybe if you're better than I am at digging you can find something in /politics about an official statement. What others were saying in diff subs is that /politics thinks they weren't verified/are faked, or it was the Russians or something. Who knows.

Just because it hasn't been said to my knowledge, typically reddit loves stuff like wikikeaks and underdogs.

Ctr is domestic terror. They should be jailed.

It's domestic propaganda which was illegal until they undid the Smith Mundt act in 2013.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Mundt_Act

Those they suck

agreed those they suck big time

Hey

Hi

You have no idea what you are talking about. Hillary is not the government. the Smith Mundt act has nothing to do with Hillary or what kind of information her campaign distributes to supporters. The Smith Mundt involves what the GOVERNMENT may do. It has nothing at all to do with what private political campaigns may do.

yeah, they've always been given a green-light to lie. But now the government can do it openly, too.

Well thank god she's not running for a government position...

Being supported by the current government

Senators aren't paid by the government?

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Woah. I heard the rumors that r/politics was bad. There article was bad ... But wow. I couldn't find one negative comment said against Hillary in that post. That is so fake.

The sub should be renamed #imwithher .

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It is very reminiscent of tactics COINTELPRO used against the new left.

Well as terrorists, executed.

Really? They should be jailed for posting a list of Hillary's accomplishments on the internet?

Posting a list of a candidate's accomplishments is domestic terror deserving of jail?

Wow. You really hate free speech, freedom of association, and democracy!

David Brock would be proud!

Hating democracy is a good thing. If people can get together and vote another persons rights away that is immoral. Do you think rights come from government?

What if, hypothetically, a candidate came around that promised election reform, serious criminal justice & cannabis reform, single payer healthcare, accountability, and good judgment, only to have their campaign stolen from them by their own party? And what if that same party got the media to elevate a scary candidate in the opposing party? And what if at the same time that party is telling independents that "you shouldn't interfere with other parties"?

At that point should we hate democracy? Or should we hate the hypocritical party that subverted our democracy?

If me and others can vote to strip you of your rights or property it is not a moral system. Natural rights are pre-existing and preclude govt. Democracy is merely mob rule. It's very similar to a totalitarian dictatorship in that your rights are secondary to the "public good"

I can't really answer your question except to say that you are asking me if I want to have my left foot cut off or my right foot. I will keep and defend them.

Democracy is a tool to keep the serfs in chains.

Also, playing that game makes you more similar to the people you may despise. It is not 'our' democracy. Don't include me in your insanity please.

If me and others can vote to strip you of your rights or property it is not a moral system.

That's exactly what the DNC did this year. But it certainly didn't represent a functional democracy.

Natural rights are pre-existing and preclude govt. Democracy is merely mob rule.

Ok. So are you saying Hillary will give/preserve more personal rights than Bernie Sanders would have? Personally I think there's no contest. Bernie was our best choice but like I said... the DNC undemocratically stole the nomination from him. That's pretty much the whole point here, unless you're suggesting we get rid of democracy in favor of something else. If so, what do you intend to replace it with and how would you go about making that change?

Democracy is a tool to keep the serfs in chains.

I really disagree with you here especially today in the information age. It's just... we didn't get true information this year.

Got banned yesterday for a lifetime ban for simply posting a summary of the new wikileaks info in a few topics that were talking about those same leaks, including a link I myself submitted. Because somehow you can spam your own posts. Got banned for spam, then the mod edits his removal posts to say comment spam, a rule not in the sidebar and "comment spam" has no definition in the rules. The ban was under spam but the corrupt mod used a rule under trolling to ban me. Caught the same mod in his post history posting Trump supporting users comment history to r/spam to try and get them banned from reddit. Fucking corrupt as shit. Not even a timed ban but a lifetime ban after 16000 comment karma and reddit gold for previous submissions to /politics. Fuck that sub and its bought and paid for mods.

I want a ban from /r/politics! What a badge of honor.

Just say "kekeroni kekeroni, please correct the recordoroni"

I kekeroni'd

Wow. That's extreme.

Who was the mod

I'll give you a hint. He posted in this same topic regarding another comment spam ban on another user

This is so fucked you think VICE would do a story on it?

you forgot the /s

if it was the fox news comments section they'd have already done half a show devoted to it.

How sad is it that shills like /u/BumBiddlyBiddlyBum can't even summarize and formulate their own arguments for their candidate?

Like you can't even make an original comment without looking at your CTR emails/handbook?

You know the candidate is awful when die-hard supporters/shills have to follow talking points line-by-line LOL

Imagine being paid to troll and still not doing a good job of it

Yet you have 1000s of autists knocking it out of the park 24/7 for trump

You assume they actually want her elected.

I bet secretly they hate their jobs and hate their boss.

Gotta make ends meet. What I'm really interested in is seeing a copy of their NDA.

I just spent 10 minutes navigating /r/politics/new. It has got to be the most obvious infestation of shills I've ever seen. Any pro-Trump or anti-Hillary post is downvoted beyond belief and there are dozens of comments saying why the post is BS when it isn't, etc. Every other article has maybe 3 comments. It's really telling that /r/politics was a Bernie cesspool all the way through July. As soon as the CTR budget increase went into effect there was a COMPLETE 180 in the type of content that was posted. The subreddit's front page went from 90% pro-Bernie/Trump and anti-Hillary to 100% anti-Trump and pro-Hillary.

A pac or organization called 'Correct The Record' is spending at least 1 million dollars to engage in online social media. Loopholes in election law allow money to flow to digital activities.

https://mic.com/articles/141575/hillary-clinton--spends-1-million-correcting-people-online-and-reddit-is-furious#.UUbZtBdC0

They upped their budget to $6 million around the convention

That's just the REPORTED budget (for tax and election law reporting purposes). It's likely 50x that below the surface.

We are losing. Badly. Suggestions?

Well, its kind of like being locked out of your home without a key. Its simple, we need a key, but its not simple because the key is inside.

And /r/politics is filtering (and removing the whole comment) based on the word Wikileaks in all comments!

I wouldn't know. I've been banned until the election is over.

I know they are.

Bullshit

Nice try Mod alt

It would be amazing if someone would create a script/website where you could enter in someone's user name and compare their posts to the leaked talking points text.

I guarantee if this existed we would find many more shill accounts.

Yeah I stopped after a few accounts because I had already spent too much time on it during work. If someone could put something like this together or even just do some more digging yourselves that would be great.

TLDR: The Democrats have been illegally supplying Iran's Nuclear Program since 2009. Obama, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton have all benefited financially from it.

Hillary Clinton has ties to the mining/commodity trading industry through her old criminal pal Marc Rich. Through Rich's company Glencore, Hillary Clinton can be tied to:

Terrorism, the Drug trade, Iran's Nuclear Program, North Korea, and even Apartheid South Africa

Everyone largely believes that Hillary Clinton is corrupt. I believe so too, but I believe it's in a different vein of corruption. I believe there is a long running criminal conspiracy in our Government that dates back to the 1970s in its origin, and continues to this day. In order to prove that point, I need to answer a few questions :

Who is Marc Rich?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Marc Rich was born December 18, 1934 and died on June 26, 2013. He was a businessmen, his focus was in banking and trade commodities.

Rich founded the commodities trading giant Glencore. Today it is the World's 3rd largest family business, and the 10th largest company on the Fortune Global 500 list. It has headquarters in Switzerland, London, the Netherlands, and Jersey. As well subsidiaries all around the globe. Without a doubt its primary interests are oil, gas, and mining.

Marc Rich was indicted in the United States in 1983 with business partner Picnus Green and fled the country.

What did Marc Rich do?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/business/marc-rich-pardoned-financier-dies-at-78.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/26/marc-rich-commodities-trader-fugitive-dies?INTCMP=SRCH

Marc Rich and Pincus Green were indicted on 65 criminal counts including: tax evasion, wire fraud, racketeering, and trading with Iran during the 1973-1974 Oil Embargo, when Rich used contacts in Iran and Iraq to circumvent the sanctions.

In his own biography, and to his biographer Daniel Amann, Rich said his "most important and most profitable" business deals happened by violating international trade embargoes and doing business with the apartheid regime of South Africa.

Rich admitted to doing business with: Apartheid South Africa, Fidel Castro's Cuba, Marxist Angola, the Nicaraguan Sandinistas, Gaddafi's Libya, Ceausescu's Romania, and Pinochet's Chile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International#American_inquiries_and_legal_actions

Rich was also believed to be involved with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International: a bank which was closed down for laundering money for people such as Saddamm Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and the Medellin Cartel and the terrorist group Abu Nidal. Rich was even reported to have been involved in arms deals in Iraq in the 1980s.

Okay, that's who Marc Rich was. By why is that important?

Marc Rich was pardoned by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, in what the New York Times would call one of history's most "flagrant abuses of presidential power."

Why was Rich's pardon so bad?

Long story short? Rich bought his pardon.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pardoned-financier-marc-rich-dead-at-78/

Rich funneled $1 million to the Democratic party, including more than $100,000 to Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign in New York, and $450,000 to the Clinton Library foundation.

It was arguably the most controversial moment of Clinton's presidency. He went on to defend it, even citing the arguments of another controversial pardon receiver, one "Scooter" Libby.

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/121908-jamescomey.pdf

Then Deputy Attorny General Eric Holder argued for Rich's pardon. Eric Holder was Obama's first Attorney General

The pardon of Marc Rich was so controversial there was a federal hearing on it. It was originally prosecuted by Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo White, but she stepped down and was replaced by the current director of the FBI James Comey, who ultimately found "No evidence of criminal activity." According to the Washington Post.

http://nypost.com/2001/03/27/brits-seize-2-million-bound-for-marc-rich/

Just more evidence of Rich's drug ties.

The Clinton Pardons/Drug ties of People involved

Now, Marc Rich hard long standing ties to terrorist organizations and the drug trade.

For a moment, I want to focus on the latter, and not the former.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/us/roger-clinton-s-dogged-effort-for-drug-trafficker.html?ref=topics

Clinton considered pardoning a known drug trafficker after a man, one Tommy Gambino, approached Clinton's brother Roger Clinton on a golf course, handed him a rolex watch and had a conversation about presuading his brother to do so.

Roger Clinton's efforts to get Rosario Gambino pardoned were so persistent the FBI investigated them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/23/us/clinton-pardons-brothers-siblings-who-often-emerge-unflattering-spotlight.html

Roger has a long history of involvment in cocaine.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/hillary-clinton-brothers-hugh-tony-rodham-116674

But Roger also received a pardon for cocaine conviction.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/hillary-clinton-hugh-tony-rodham

Hugh Rodham, Hillary Clinton's brother, received $434,000 to lobby for a pardon of a cocaine trafficker, and he did so successfully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Now, some may say it's disingenous to say Eric Holder has drug ties. But he is tied to the late Marc Rich, and we should all remember the time he helped facilitate the transfer of firearms to Mexican Drug Cartels.

http://www.hsbc.com/news-and-insight/media-resources/media-releases/2013/former-us-deputy-attorney-general-joins-hsbc-board

Current FBI Director James Comey sat on the board of banking giant HSBC.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213

The same Banking Giant that launders drug cartel money. And has been caught, charged and fined for doing so.

https://investments.hsbc.co.uk/news/company/24989264/glencore-gallops-higher-as-liberum-bullish-on-china-s-coal-policy

HSBC is also responsible for many of Glencore's investments. Again, Glencore was founded by the criminal Marc Rich, who paid for a pardon by former President Bill Clinton. A pardon which was investigated by James Comey, who sat on the board of HSBC, which laundered drug cartel money, and did business with a company that worked intimately with drug traffickers. Comey found "No evidence of criminal activity."

Okay, so Glencore, the Clinton's, HSBC, the director the FBI are somehow all linked to eachother and to drug cartels. So what? Where does this lead.

Okay, now this is where things begin to get a little technical, and more questions have to get answered.

Who is John Podesta, and what is Joule Unlimited?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podesta

John Podesta is the Chariman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign. He also was the Counselor to the President for Barack Obama, the White House Chief of Staff for Bill Clinton, and he also

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4635

Owns 75,000 shares of an energy company known as Joule Unlimited Technologies, Inc.

Who or what is Joule Unlimited Technologies, Inc?

I'm glad you asked. http://www.jouleunlimited.com/

Joule Unlimited is another comodities trading giant, founded by Noubar Afeyan, and has a certain Russian Politician on it's board.

One Anatoly Chubais

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Chubais

Chubais of course, being a Russian politician, works for Vladimir Putin

http://www.newsweek.com/whats-behind-putin-shuffle-kremlin-453675

Chubais actually invited Putin to St. Petersburg in 1996.

http://www.jouleunlimited.com/joule-audi

Joule Unlimited Partners with Audi. Which is owned by Volkswagen.

Let's talk terrorism

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-28/qatar-fund-stands-to-lose-5-9-billion-on-vw-glencore-stakes

Volkswagen, via it's stake holders in Qatar, is intimately tied with, that's right, none other than Glencore.

http://english.aawsat.com/2011/05/article55246399/alwaleed-kingdom-invest-400-mln-in-glencore-ipo

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cobalts-luck-could-come-from-volkswagen-glencore-troubles-1444055689

Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed(Remember the one that was mean to Trump?) invested $400 million into Glencore's IPO in 2011.

Why are the Saudi's, Qatar, and the Democrats interested in Glencore? Short Answer? Terroism and money. Long answer? Terrorism and money.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Glencore-Seeks-To-Offset-Weak-Year-With-Iran-Libya-Oil-Trading.html

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/apr/21/glencore-trade-iran-supplier-nuclear

http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/tag/glencore/

http://time.com/4055466/glencore/

http://m.4-traders.com/GLENCORE-PLC-8017494/news/Glencore-Yemen-crude-exports-resume-at-a-trickle-from-Ash-Shihr-Oil-Terminal-22861238/

Glencore is a trading company. They trade lots of things.

Once Gadaffi fell in 2011, they began trading Libyan oil again.

They trade Yemen's oil

They trade Iraqi oil.

Once the Iran deal was hitched, they began trading Iranian copper.

In 2012 and 2013, they were caught trading aluminum to Iran's nuclear program(which was against international law at the time).

And as Time reads, government policy since 2008(Gee what happened in 2008? Hmm) has made it so Glencore could sit back and make "EASY MONEY"

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786646253358768128

Wikileaks has shown us Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Glencore investors TIED to Joule Unlimited and John Podesta, and thus in multiple directions James Comey, The Clintons, and the democrats, fund ISIS. And Qatar Gave Bill Clinton $1 million for a 5 minute meeting in 2011

$1 million for a five minute meeting in 2011? Didn't Gadaffi fall in 2011? Didn't Saudi Arabia invest $400 million into Glencore in 2011? Didn't Glencore begin trading Libyan Oil in 2011?

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Does it go deeper? See above

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/keystone-pipeline.html

https://agmetalminer.com/2015/11/04/glencore-says-its-debt-will-fall-obama-will-rule-on-keystone-xl/

What's that?META EDIT:I NEED TO EXPAND THIS PART Glencore is tied to the Keystone Pipeline?

Okay, let's slow down and take a step back. So Glencore is evil. But what does that REALLY have to do with Hillary Clinton? Where's the connection?

Right under our noses.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-04/goldman-sued-monopolizing-us-aluminum-warehousing-market

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/spot-goldman-and-glencore-aluminum-warehouses

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/role-of-hillary-clintons-brother-in-haiti-gold-mine-raises-eyebrows/2015/03/20/c8b6e3bc-cc05-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html

Goldman Sachs, Glencore, and Tony Rodham((Weird how they're all tied to Hillary)) have shady, shady mining deals

http://www.northkoreatimes.com/index.php/sid/233981609

Glencore is still working with North Korea. They are trying to have an aluminum monopoly in the US, and have been busted selling aluminum to the Iranian nuclear program...are they funding the North Korean one as well?

https://www.fastmarkets.com/base-metals-news/asia/focus-china-looks-north-korea-plug-glencore-zinc-concs-gap/

Glencore's chinese section, Xtrata, has deep ties to heavy metal mining and North Korea, including aluminum and nickel

http://af.reuters.com/article/sudanNews/idAFLDE76B1Q420110712

Glencore also benefits from trading Sudanese Oil. They sure have no problem showing up where human rights violations occur

https://www.wfp.org/content/un-agency-buys-377-million-australian-wheat-glencore

Glencore gets mining contracts in North Korea via China, and gets to sell food futures to North Korea via the United Nations. It's amazing how centered around Glencore the world's elite actually are.

https://books.google.com/books?id=-6fIe0gpgicC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=glencore+north+korea&source=bl&ots=ufY7oGQDyA&sig=82ZS4T9chpPed3JLpqfr63GqDKU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRtM-uttrPAhWqhVQKHSF0DLo4ChDoAQhZMAk#v=onepage&q=glencore%20north%20korea&f=false

The success of Glencore is directly tied to the success of the Chinese government. Note how Trump wants to be tougher on China, but Clinton does not.

https://ramumine.wordpress.com/tag/glencore-xstrata/

Remember the Honduran coup? Guess which company benefitted from Hillary's mucking about in Honduras? That's right, Glencore.

Okay, so for years Glencore has been benefiting from Hillary's foriegn policy. But how does Hillary Benefit from Glencore? Let's move to Canada for a bit, shall we?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/08/19/clinton-foundation-ban-would-not-apply-some-related-charities/iuVtc828bEjGWfjgSxJZ5M/story.html

The Canadian branch of the Clintons, The Clinton-Giustra Enterprise, which accepts money from the same mining industry the Clinton's have been linked to, the same mining industry benefiting from all of Hillary and Bill's foreign policy 'blunders' over the years, would not be excluded, and certainly have not been so far, from being tied to her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/1100-donors-to-a-canadian-charity-tied-to-clinton-foundation-remain-secret/2015/04/28/c3c0f374-edbc-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

The Clinton-Giustra Enterprise has SECRET DONORS, which are largely from the Mining/Commodity industry, which has been the beneficiary of ALL OF CLINTON'S ACTIONS

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-charity-linked-with-clinton-foundation-defends-high-costs-1.2980962

The Clinton-Giustra Enterprise Charity has extremely high costs, with extremely low return. Seems like a great way to launder money into yourself

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-clintons-a-luxury-jet-and-their-100-million-donor/2015/05/03/688051d0-ecef-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html

Giustra, a mining billionaire, sources donations in Canada from his crooked friends for Crooked Hillary.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

There you have it folks. A Massive money laundering scheme spanning from US to Asia to the Middle East and back to Canada, in order for the Clinton's and pals to get around international law.

In other words, Glencore.

Good find! Keep reading, keep researching, keep communicating, keep fighting!

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5267

Possible CTR (Super PAC) coordination in November 2015

We have a meeting scheduled on Thursday to discuss next steps on Bernie Sanders and the Republicans. Tony will be sending around the Sanders research later today. While we will do a brief summary at the top of the meeting, we'd like for everyone to come having reviewed the material and ready to discuss which hits and themes we want to deploy. On the Republicans, we are still working on the research, but wanted to have a conversation based on the current state of the race--defining our short-term objectives before we have oppo and opinion research. See below for an agenda--and let us know if you have any questions.

Sanders Agenda:

...

Tactics on attacks: what should go through HRC, surrogates, DNC, CTR

Collusion with a direct spez connection would be fantastic to find.

Hey, nice find! I tried copying and pasting CTR soundbites into Reddit to see if anything came up but didn't have success (I tried just one quick inconsequential blurb, though). I knew such a direct linkage had to exist.

As much as I don't like it, you might have better luck with a Google search. I had success using Google to search Reddit. That's how I found this stuff. Try this into the search bar...

site:reddit.com any keywords you want

or

site:reddit.com "exact phrase"

Obviously replace any keywords you want or "exact phrase" with whatever keyword(s) or exact phrase(s) you want.

You can even use their search tools to find posts within certain date ranges or specific subs or users...

site:reddit.com /u/username optional keywords/phrases (sorry /u/username)

or

site:reddit.com/r/politics

Happy hunting

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I saw this posted elsewhere, glad to see it here.

Yeah, congratulations! You have discovered citizens exercising free speech! You have busted people for practicing (shudder) democracy! How dare citizens participate in civic dialogue!? /s

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Rule 1 please.

Sorry. Ctr just boils my blood

Understood and I certainly appreciate how tempers can flare during such discussions, but enforcing that rule is quite important.

I appreciate your cooperation.

I'm a bit short fused because Im trying to quit smoking. 4 days since my last cig and I'm passed at everything. I'll try to keep it civil

Hey, congrats man. I found this chart really helpful when I quit my 2-pack a day of 27's habit- https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3f/84/76/3f84765cc5dcb78e1bc6f424df03071d.gif

PM me if you need anything on my end, even just knowing someone else has made it through the same thing can be super helpful. Plus if you have a ps4 or xbox one we can play a game online or something if you're so inclined.

Also weed, smoke weed.

I smoke like, twice a month. It just makes me want one more. I was up to a pack to a pack and a half a day of American Spirits. And thanks man, I'll give it a read.

I have a ps4, but I barely game anymore. I just got bored with them. But PM me your GT and I'll shoot you a request.

CTR is fucking Obviously deeply inserted into Reddit.

Do we really need more evidence? Reddit obviously know about it by now, they just dont seem to care enough.

Reddit might not need more evidence, but its userbase sure does. It would be hard to convince people to leave this site because of CTR if you're just labeled a conspiracy theorist with no proof.

True, just pointing out reddit owner definitely knows its real, there is just so much proof at this point.

Does anybody know much about InvestmentWatch Blog? Looks like my post got shared to that website http://investmentwatchblog.com/new-evidence-of-ctr-on-reddit-from-podesta-emails/

Is that a good thing? Wish they would at least give me credit.

Coming from a, i dont know who im voting for because the both suck, standpoint, is what they're doing not allowed in any way? Is it illegal?

Not illegal as of 2013, when the Smith-Mundt Act was repealed by congress. This act prevented domestic use of propaganda tools.

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Wow, I just went over there to take a look for myself, that board has been totally hijacked.

Hell, just look any of the Wikileaks posts in this sub and you'll see ample evidence of CTR brigading.

There's posters who spend several hours a day attacking Trump and defending Hillary, with no other posts on their account. If you reply to them, expect a torrent of downvotes within minutes.

Take this person for example /u/the_other_50_percent

Yeah... Redditor for 3 years posting in various subreddits occasionally, and then when there's a presidential election imminent, browsing and posting time is focussed on that, and the content is my personal political convictions. SO SUSPICIOUS WOW.

If the only thing you're interested in is correcting the record, using copy-pasted talking points, it's most likely not a hobby.

What a weird random thing to say.

Maybe get out and meet people, and you'll understand things a lot better.

I understand that people usually have much better things to do than devoting an entire posting career to spamming HRC talking points.

You're weird. Monologues are OK I guess. Keeps you from doing anyone else any harm. The "ignoring actual data" bit is problematic, but that's basically a requirement for conspiracy theorists.

Is this you're copy-pasted response or do you charge an extra fee for reading comprehension?

*your

Here's a proper use of "you're": you're welcome!

Proper use of language is a great way to increase the likelihood of success in your life. So too is proper research. Your most recent post here demonstrates a failure in both areas. Keep working sincerely and diligently, and you'll see great results!

I guess the ability to spot a typo and use the ctrl-v buttons is all it takes to correct the record.

Can't blame you for lacking enthusiasm though.

I understand the embarrassment, but that was clearly a grammatical error, not a typo. Recognize where you can do better, and you'll get better. Deny, and well... we see what happens then, don't we. Doubling down on wilful ignorance - of something someone directly explained, even! - is a powerful demonstration of the failures of the education system, which many of use are vigorously working to improve.

Thank you. A description of a problem does not have nearly the impact of a link directly showing the failures in action.

A broken record who spends his day copy-pasting Clinton talking points is no exemplary on communication skills. We can see that.

Thanks for supplying amusement from so many wrong things in two sentences. So many.

We already saw it, it was clear, there is no need to confess a lack of humor to hammer down the point.

I think you've slipped off the rails there, dear.

And neither does feigned affability make up for it.

Is this how it ends? So sad for you.

Okay then, you'll get one more attempt to pass the turing test. Show me you're worth the operating costs.

So, you don't know what a Turing test is. This is sad beyond measure.

It's a test in which chatbots perform better than you. But well, the clinton campaign isn't exactly known for their IT skills.

I'm sorry you embarrassed yourself. Especially in this era where Google is literally at your fingertips. Alan Turing would weep at the ignorance with such computing power at your doorstep. I'm sorry, Alan.

A reliance on repetition and a lack of reading comprehension are tells that make bots fail the turing test. However, with the functional difference between a bot and a person who copy-pastes clinton talking points on reddit for days on end being practically nill, this can be seen as a moderate succes if you were programmed for that very reason.

FEC data

The_Donald loves you guys! <3

Comsidering reddit has one of the largest liberal userbases on the internet, you can guarantee CTR is on here.

Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6225

We are good to meet with Priorities and CTR—both at Perkins. Preference for what time for each?

It are they strong over in /r/politics right now. I'm trolling ctr over there right now. It's hilarious.

What is CTR?

I'm not sure what the surprise or big deal is. A politician spreading propaganda!!!!! Omg

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Clearing house for valuable and accurate information??? Talking points to control the narrative and manipulate the media would be more accurate

I bet you wish advertisers didn't label sponsored content too.

David Brock would be proud!

Hating democracy is a good thing. If people can get together and vote another persons rights away that is immoral. Do you think rights come from government?

As much as I don't like it, you might have better luck with a Google search. I had success using Google to search Reddit. That's how I found this stuff. Try this into the search bar...

site:reddit.com any keywords you want

or

site:reddit.com "exact phrase"

Obviously replace any keywords you want or "exact phrase" with whatever keyword(s) or exact phrase(s) you want.

You can even use their search tools to find posts within certain date ranges or specific subs or users...

site:reddit.com /u/username optional keywords/phrases (sorry /u/username)

or

site:reddit.com/r/politics

Happy hunting

Grow up. Removed. Rule 10.

Crystal clear.

A reliance on repetition and a lack of reading comprehension are tells that make bots fail the turing test. However, with the functional difference between a bot and a person who copy-pastes clinton talking points on reddit for days on end being practically nill, this can be seen as a moderate succes if you were programmed for that very reason.