Just because you may deny or not believe in something, doesn't make it not real or untrue (and certainly doesn't mean certain people do not believe in it)... That would be ignorance.. As for Satanism, it goes far deeper than that, imo. Satanism is a cover to a cover. Gets the religious people riled up (but still controlled). But it's far deeper.

Deeper how?

IMO? More esoteric/occult than religious, which is what Satanism would imply. Satan is a figure in the Monotheistic religions, which is a caricature of many different ideas/deities. Those are the things you should be looking into, if you want to understand the actual elites more. Think Egypt->Babylon->Mesopotamia, then think pre-Deluge civilizations...

It gets religious people riled up, even though they made it up..

Haha, that's a good song, "She'll never know that she made it up, thrown away like a paper cup"..regardless of me being easily sidetracked...

Nobody in power believes sacrificing anybody is going to make them rich. If they kill someone, it's because they want to.

Let's not go back to Salem, ya know?

It gets religious people riled up, even though they made it up..

Religious people !== religious authorities.

Nobody in power believes sacrificing anybody is going to make them rich.

Evidence?

If they kill someone, it's because they want to.

Evidence?

Let's not go back to Salem, ya know?

This is fitting, if you understood the authorities behind them...

At the very top of the world's elite they seem to believe in various forms of religion. I demonstrated the fact that the Bank for international Settlements seems to believe they are the new 'tower of babel. There are of course other indications. The BIS seems to be challenging God to destroy their new tower ,'again'

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4xrorp/is_the_nwo_religiously_motivated_or_is_that/d6hwos6/

Whether or not you believe in these religions and rituals is irrelevant. What IS relevant, is They believe in it.

Because it is the path to riches and power. This is evident by who has and who does not. If they were anything but evil, the wouldn't have everything. Somebody else would. Satan brings you power and riches.

Well that's just not true.

How many of us would be rich if all we had to do was practice satanism.

How many could stomach ritual sacrifice? Ritual incest? It takes an awful dark heart to go that far for glory.

You have a point in that, how would it start? It would take a particularly sick individual to start it without knowing they would get a gain from doing so.

If you know 100% certain, you are going to become rich and powerful, I'd bet majority would.

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That not what I'm saying, but ok.

People have killed just because people told them it was gods will, how hard do you think it would be to get them to do that?

I was speaking more towards that, but you focused on a rape thing (that wasn't part of the questions the guy asked). I was thinking for infinite money and power, of course I'd kill someone, I think. It's impossible to say until you are in the situation, and lets be honest, nobody..scratch that, most haven't killed another person, or been in a situation where they were tested.

The world revolves around greed.

There was also no mention of kid fucking, unless you consider it part of ritual incest, which I read as "fucking family" not "fucking underage family".

Shows where your head is at...

Yes. And the greediest people in the world are the people that fuck and murder kids. And those people get powerful. The serve Satan. They feed him.

Where are you getting 'kids' from.

The guy stated

How many could stomach ritual sacrifice? Ritual incest?

Nowhere does it say kids...Holy shit dude..You know, I can't be sure if you are projecting or what, but holy shit.

One implies ritually killing people, the other implies fucking family. As I stated.

It's fine to bring it up as well, but you didn't, you come out of nowhere and say "You'd fuck a kid?" Do you realize how fucking random that is? It's so random that it had to have been on your mind.

I'm putting pieces of a puzzle together, just like you. MKULTRA, Monarch slaves, Demons, Bloodlines. It's all there, in bits and pieces. Like the good book says. This is Lucifers kingdom.

And, it's not like you have to kill just one. Or rape just one. It's ritualistic. Over and over and over. No. Not many would go that far.

MKultra has been proven real, their success rate is unknown, if any (to my knowledge).

Once it comes to religions and Demons/bloodlines though, it would take a lot for me to believe it, like, an insane amount of proof.

I am just not religious, at all.

In my opinion, I believe it is how intelligent people control more weak and unintelligent people.

"If you want all you've ever wished, join me, hold my hand and let us wander the fields of gold together." - that's my interpretation of indoctrinating people into religion, you show them they can get things they want, you show kindness, and leave a little mystery.

It's really fucked up to do to people, but also really easy to do. People want to believe, and if you don't give specifics, and be very vague, they will fill in the blanks with their own beliefs.

To clarify, I believe there are cults, I just don't believe in a mystical power surrounding their practices.

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Obviously a bloody semen drink is more disturbing than a baptism. I would ruin spirit cooking with my barf. No way are open satanists getting elected, is why. It corroborates what's been circulating about secret societies for decades, nay centuries, now. Its clandestine, eye catching, and literally damning. Its simple.

Because fuck you that's why. Fuck all of us.

All religions are control structures. Memetic hijacking of individual and group thought.

The most powerful religions are those that control the absolutely, while not appearing to exert any control, or perhaps even exist, to the uninitiated.

From what I've seen "Satanism" is the outer garden to some stuff that is far darker.

These rituals are about control. Worship of dark memetic viruses that have been around for many thousands of years.

I think it goes back to this

but obviously a bloody semen drink is more disturbing than a baptism.

There are far more atrocious acts, that occur on a more regular basis, that make having a tall glass of chilled bloody semen drink cocktail seem as trivial as baptism.

Acts performed by people, or groups of, that may or may not adhere a religious/spiritual ideology which would include you atheistic/agnostics, with mentalities so engulfed by such seemingly maledictive nihilistic doctrine they make satanists, luciferians, and many others all on par with the likes of your more widely socially acceptable belief systems.

Bloody semen drink? Pffff!

Someone needs to take their floaties off so they can jump into the shallow end and get their hair wet.

I'm here to learn, how deep does it go?

That's tough to answer if you believe there's no power in these things. Whether you believe that or not though, they absolutely do believe in it.

Satanism or Saturnalia?? There's an initial layer and then another layer that totes changes the narrative.

Saturn is the embodiment of fractal duality, imo. What's lost to most is that this duality paradigm also has a spot for Godel's incompleteness. AKA the Whole. The whole jay/zeus message.

As I said, I'm agnostic so don't follow any of this stuff. I've heard that the spirit cooking thing is part of the 'Thelema' religion but don't know what that means. What's Saturn? (other than a planet)

What's Saturn? (other than a planet)

fuck if i know. apparently more than a planet.

Spirit Cooking is just scratching the surface. Demon/devil worship is real, demonic possession is real, and the elite such as the Skull and Bone society and Bohemian Grove really do participate in these rituals. Nobody can give you the answer as to why they worship these demons but I have a hard time arguing that their power isn't very real. Even entertainers like Beyonce, Jay-Z, and Denzel talk about having out of body experiences or being possessed by the spirits and not remembering their own performances.

The layout of Washington DC is filled with satanic designed street layouts and pagan Egyptian structures like the obelisk. You can't tell me the owl in the corner of the dollar bill isnt related to Moloch the same pagan deity presidents and corporate leaders worship at Bohemian Grove.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/

Even if you dont believe in a devil or 'gods'. Its evident they seem to try and channel dark energy the same way the mayans and egyptians were recorded to practice.

I guess my real question is what is the historical connection between satanism and these power structures. What/who is Moloch? Is it at all related to other religions I might be more familiar with?

Heres a good brief video on the history of Moloch or Molech, the god of unholy sacrifice who was believed to reward those who practiced in worship with financial prosperity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj51n2_MK4A

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14333#efmAtfAvp

Heres a wikileak email where US Ambassador Lewis Amselem mentions maybe in joke about sacrificing a chicken to Moloch.

Satanism offers pure material based bliss... It doesn't exist without a teaching they hate. How funny.

Because the evidence ( josephus, tacotus, paul, james conversion, fulfilled prophesies) points to jesus resurrection. The bible is actually real. All this satanism stems from the tower of babel.....thats the real conspiracy.

It's because the actual rules to this reality, far from the 10 commandments, are "Do whatever you can get away with, just make it a good story." And the tenets of satanism/the occult are the closest among the various religions to that truth, so in practicing it, they find it effective and can be led to believe that it's true in its totality. But, all the trappings/demons/deities etc. are more so just psychological tools to allow the practitioner to enter altered states and, in general, more easily accept the philosophy as a whole.

Threes also no proof that wearing your college shorts under your regular shorts will make you a better basketball player but Jordan still did it every game.

Pro-Trump Christians projecting?

This is only the most recent example of this happening though. The bohemian grove stuff is pretty terrifying but is years old now, it just keeps popping up the kind of crazy shit happening behind closed doors

Yeah I know it's just to non-religious people it seems like an obvious demonization. There could definitely be something designed to entrap lots of people so that a group in power could control large numbers of these people.