The last time this almost came out it was written off as a "Satanic panic." Don't muddy the waters with all the occult stuff, which is what it's designed for. Just focus on the pedophilia rings and child-trafficking.

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This "religious crap" is getting upvoted hard in this thread. I haven't been that active on this sub, but....how many people default to mysticism to explain conspiracies?

Seems like a lot of t_d posters are banking hard on it.

To be honest, I'm starting to worry it's a CTR-like effort to discredit the people going after this, who think it'll be a cause for taking down Clinton. I've been seeing a lot of vote inflation on posts and comments that hardly even make sense.

The parent comment says this has happened before, which makes me even more nervous. I don't want an excuse to appear for Trump to not be held to the Clinton investigation.

Part of the reason it was pushed is because a lot of low info folks can't wrap their head around the enormity of the issues from the emails (foreign donations, foia issues, media collusion, etc) but they freak out over 'black magic' and 'devil worship'. So it boils down to efficacy.

I had someone else explain it similarly to this, you guys know that the satanism is likely bundled to diminish the credibility of the snitches though, right?

A popular example being Satanic Panic, these stories usually fizzle out when they reach the public, because they just sound so unlikely. Is anyone worried about that, or was the freakout over satanism not even intended?

Entirely possible. But the zeitgeist was that ends justify the means.

Eesh. Hope it works out okay.

They really couldn't grasp the importance of foreign donations for political appointments and pay to play? How low info are these guys?

The people on the sub got it... They were using spirit cooking for memes for fb and Twitter

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that certain people on /r/pizzagate were low info. I've been seeing a lot of comments from the_donald users who seemed hung up on the Satanism aspect, I was even beginning to think it was a coordinated attempt to discredit the sub. Wasn't expecting that it was because they thought we were too stupid to understand the importance of our country being sold out, lol.

Well, I guess if you're going to swap in the charges against Clinton that we have actual facts to back up, blast this stuff out all over the internet. Maybe enough people pushing for an investigation really is all it'll take.

It's already happened, all of the undeniable links to child trafficking are no longer a subject of discussion while symbolic, mystic theories are. Anyone taking a look at this for even a movement can now blow it off without a second though.

"Clinton staffer has ties to child trafficker in haiti" is hard to deny, "when this guy says pizza he really means moloch, moloch is pizza the pepperonis are the deceiver luke 4:32, look at this 4chan thread with scarily photoshopped images of children" is a fucking joke.

Lol, your last paragraph is exactly what I'm trying to get across.

For me, the web of people "implicated" was the saddest. It looked like something out of A Beautiful Mind. The pictures of kids grossed me out too, I immediately started wondering if they had put actual child porn pictures in it to make anyone who saves it a criminal

It started over there as a quick means to red pill the masses on what was in the leaked emails. The reasoning being that minority groups targeted by Clinton also happened to be religious, and no one was really getting through the media block with anything else. Sensationalizing the spirit cooking thing worked, got people asking questions, even when that sub was questioning the tactic amongst themselves. I think they're still running with it because of how well it took off.

And I believe the OP is referencing the 80s Satanic Panic in the US, something worth looking into if you have the time.

quick means to red pill the masses

Do they think that these strategies will actually pay off?

Just talked about the Satanic Panic in a separate thread, worried that this will follow the same course. If you're on the inside, any chance you could try to get them to dial it back to a point where it doesn't seem so desperate?

I'd like to see the Clintons actually get investigated, and the hysteria over a still very weak case is making me start to worry. It might be long enough after the election to start putting very preliminary outlines of people's suspicions up on /r/politics (omitting the satanism stuff, hopefully).

I'm not active on that sub, mainly just a lurker, so regrettably I can't influence much over there. The politics sub, though, that is a great idea, now that it seems to be returning to a unbiased state. I also agree with you about the damaging effects. In the long run, based on history, this probably won't pay off. TPTB are notorious for deflecting and refocusing just enough that anyone who asks question feels like an idiot afterward, or is made to feel like an idiot by their peers. The best method in my opinion, is slowly bringing others in with the hard facts, those who aren't aware of the corruption and pay to play beforehand because of media interference. Child sex rings and trafficking should come after, and without the satanic context, mainly because it's a sick subject that makes people uncomfortable, and it's easier to write stuff like that off so they need to be eased into the information.

You probably feel the same way, I'm assuming, I was just kind of rambling here.

Active subscriber over at t_d and while I think it paid dividends to sway voters I don't think it's necessarily great in the long run.

Oh, there's no doubt that it swayed voters.

I'd have liked to see you guys stay specific about the charges on Clinton though, seems like a lot of the more constructive things that could have come out of it went by the wayside for "lol u lost cucks"

Yeah I agree, there's a lot of gloating, I'm not one of those that advocates for that however. I prefer taking the high road and trying to preserve relationship rather than destroy them, however nevertrumpers didn't exactly make it easy to take the high road so some people are lashing out after all the insanity. There are still plenty of people dedicated to exposing the inner circle of corrupt politicians via wikileaks and beyond, I have to be honest though, I'm of the opinion that there's a possibility that wikileaks has been compromised and the leaks we've been fed are filtered thus limiting our ability to expose the truth. I hope that I'm wrong but I have a strong feeling in my gut that says otherwise.

Yeah, that's been suspected for a little while now. I'm assuming you saw that Assange decided against leaking a bunch of Russian information when they gave him his own show.

I'm still of the opinion that we're better off knowing some of these things, though. Hopefully they will start being unbiased in their leaks again, once the perception shifts away from thinking they're traitors to the US.

Oh definitely, some of the leaks have been very interesting for sure, I'm just hoping that we get some hard physical evidence that assange is still alive as well as his staff, that AMA was suspect and I've read that the encrypted dump was far different than those of the past, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think that I am.

You have been programed to think religion is not influential. It is.

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It's all apparent if you look at the last thousand years of history.

Thank you, was about to say just this. Putting "satanists" in this gives actual Satanists a bad name. Which is the satanic panic you reference.

They are pedophile human filth, leave it at that.

Um... honest question here. How can Satanism not have a bad name? I mean... Father of Lies and all that?

Read the tenants of the church of Satan. It's hard to disagree with how logical and moral it is.

Depends on perspective.

Satan was also the one that gave humans free will. If you believe in any of that stuff.

In the story true free will was actually lost.

It would take free will to disobey gods command and eat the forbidden fruit then, correct? So they could already choose to sin. So does that mean god kicked them out solely because they spited him?

Cause that's kind of a dick move. If they already had free choice then God, bro, it's just a fucking apple

In the story, they had freedom from sin (addiction, fear, etc) freedom. The exception was a choice the removed that freedom.

Like a giant pit with a sign saying "don't fall in, you won't be able to get out. That will limit your freedom" . Is the sign limiting your freedom? No. It's telling you to not do something that will limit your freedom. You can still fall in if you do choose. The forbidden fruit could still be eaten.

Precisely

Don't know what version of that story you read, but humans were created with free will. Satan just presented them a choice.

If humans weren't created with free will, then Eve wouldn't have even been able to eat the apple in the first place. Satan isn't an all powerful antithesis to God in that book, so he can't "give" things to humans of his own accord.

I actually addressed that in a later post. Satan just "tempts", as he did Christ. That being said, I don't believe in Christianity/Catholicism anyways.

Free will is one of those things you think you want until you get it

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

You can have free will and still be ignorant

You don't say

Free will is predicated on ignorance

So wipe this smile off my face

You do you man. That's your choice.

I always will.

It's a song lyric lol

My bad. What song?

https://youtu.be/NUnb5Y-hxWg

Fuck. I should have known that.

MAKE AMERICA RAGE AGAIN.

It's all good brother.

All of which are American dreams.

What kind of shit is that comment?

Yeah, small critters constricted to acting out genetic programming don't have to deal with tfw no gf

They might

It does indeed. As an organized religion, this isn't something practiced or celebrated by Satanism. The occult, or something similar would be more appropriately fitting.

Satanists deserve a bad name, dude. Seriously? Have you ever read the precepts of the satanic bible? The shit these people believe.

Yes. It is refreshing to read my thoughts and feelings on paper, written by someone else.

Same with music, paintings, or any other art.

You should read about how Lot in the Bible let his daughters be raped by his neighbors, or how Noah tried to fuck his daughters. The shit people fucking believe in the Bible man, it's fucking digusting.

The Bible condemns both things. Although Noah fucking his daughters, I'm pretty sure you misread. It was his son that did something to him. Also condemned. If you thought everything that the Bible describes is prescribed, maybe we know now why you've rejected it.

You sound like isis.

Well there is a difference in humanist LeVay-ian "satanism" and Satanic practices that deify Satan.

Not that the mainstream would know the difference. LeVay-ian "satanism" is just secular humanism wrapped up in an offensive robe. (And also a control nexus religion created by the CIA, but ya know...)

You are right. This is a good distinction. When i think of satanism i think of LaVayian satanism. But i have had similar thoughts about it. Still i respect him and them, i will look into the CIA part of your comment because I've never heard this before.

Either way, ive liked what I've heard of LaVey

Taking about satanists sounds like an actual witch hunt. It sounds bizarre and unwarranted. Kid fuckers are real and no one likes a kid fucker.

theres no such thing as a good satanist. i mean look at your damn for petes sake.

denounce all devil worship, change your name, and separate yourself from all the satanic rituals and you might have a case.

as it is you cannot adopt the name of satanist and then claim you get a bad rap. even the most hardened atheist is likely to look at satanism with skepticism at the very least.

yeah you're not winning this one....going to the church of satan in any form isn't getting a free pass on one damn thing.

To act like Satanists are immune to doing such things makes you look like a moron.

That's the thing though, if you are involved in investigating this as I've been, it's clear that Satanism is an integral part of it all. These people and all their social media friends have pentagrams and baphomet symbols everywhere.

I'm not even religious personally. But I realize most people are. And these people have a religion which justifies their evil behavior. That religion is Satanism.

Pentagrams and Baphomet have nothing to do with Satan. If you would like I can elaborate further on what those symbols are and their meaning.

I would like you to elaborate please. Thank you.

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I would like to preface this with a disclaimer that I am in no way an expert but the occult and its teachings are something that I truly enjoy and I have dedicated my life to the study of it. With that being said I try to show people what I have learned because there seems to be an overwhelming stigma and fear attached to occult teachings casting them off as "satantic" and "evil" which is simply not the case. Like any great knowledge it can be wielded to enslave you or used as a great gift to set you free. The more you know about these teachings the more you can stand in confidence when those who wish to keep you enslaved in fear try to use them to your detriment. Unveil these hidden truths and inspire an apocalypse of the soul and you too can awaken the Christ within. After all occult simply means hidden.

Essentially both these symbols are used in whats called "ceremonial magic/magick" and Alchemy. Many, if not all, occult teachings contain the study of ceremonial magick and Alchemy. Whether it be Thelema, Wicca, The Qabbalah, Free Masonry, Rosicrucianism, Hindu mysticism or The Templars. I won't go into the process and practice of ceremonial magic here unless someone is interested.

The pentagram is an ancient symbol used in the magical arts by alchemists, magicians and sorcerers and signifies the five properties of the Great Magical Agent, The Great Astral Light, the five elements of nature, the five senses of man, and the five extremities of the human body. What we must keep in mind is that while this symbol itself is not evil it is the perversion of it that makes it left handed. When it is flipped on its head this symbol becomes to the magician or sorcerer a form of "black magic" and therefore a means of evil. In symbolism an inverted or distorted figure always means that it is being misused. To the adept of the dark arts an inverted pentagram is called the "sign of the cloven hoof". The upright star with its point turned down signifies the fall of the morning star. So be wary of anyone rocking this image. I can recall a time when I met someone with an inverted pentagram tattooed on his shoulder. I approached him and asked if he practiced magic. He had no idea what I was talking about. I pointed out the perverted symbol that donned his arm and he laughed casting it off as something he got on a whim to scare to people. Little did he know what dark spirits he was invoking by using this distorted image. I simply smiled, nodded and exclaimed he should look into it further.

Baphomet has an interesting history which can be dated back to the Templars. Many believed they worshiped this image as an idol but that is up for debate. Today we see it used by the self proclaimed "Satanic Temple" Take note of the pentagram in both representations. The latter is inverted. Again it is a symbol used to communicate certain truths about the visible and invisible universe which when understood can again be used for great evil or great good. We see in Baphomet a hermaphorditic humanoid with a goats head, wings and cloven feet. This type of hybrid imagery has been used by all ancient clutures and priest crafts whether it be the sphinx in the priestcraft of the Egyptians or the winged cherubs of Judeo Christianity. In the work titled "The Book Of Splendours" Elphas Levi explains Baphomets rather odd and bizarre appearance succinctly with this passage.

“[Baphomet] is a knowledge rising in opposition to idolatry, protesting though the very monstrosity of the idol. The Israelites were forbidden to give divine concepts the figure of a man or of any animal; thus, on the ark of the covenant and in the sanctuary, they dared sculpt only cherubs, that is, sphinxes with the bodies of bulls and the heads of men, eagles or lions. These mixed figures reproduced neither the complete form of any man, nor that of any animal. These hybrid creations of impossible animals gave to understand that the image was not an idol or reproduction of a living thing, but rather a character or representation of something having its existence in thought. Baphomet is not worshipped; it is God who is worshipped, this faceless God behind this formless form, this image which resembles no created being. Baphomet is not a God; He is the sign of initiation.” [5]

His right hand points to the white moon his left to the black. The dual nature of the astral light is also reflected in the alchemical formula “Solve et Coagula:” These two operations are represented by the words written on the arms of Baphomet: SOLVE, to dissolve, to project, to move; and COAGULA, to coagulate, to concentrate, to fix. The image has breasts and the caduceus rising from the groin which represents the union of opposites. The masculine and the feminine united in equilibrium. The progenitive caduceus being the ancient sign of genesis rising betwixt the life giving breasts where all who are born unto this human form succor for nourishment. The torch rising from the top of his head is the illuminated mind. The pineal gland fully awakened. The third eye opened and aware of the self peering deeply into the mystery of mysteries.

Do not fear these images and symbols my friends. Rather take and eat of the fruits of knowledge that the great serpent guards. It is your duty to rise from darks depths of ignorance and storm the gates of illumination saying "I've come home now!" Break the shackles that have enslaved you and you too can, as Morpheus said to Neo, "free your mind." The world is ruled by symbols. Understand them and you can rule your world.

you replied to me in another comment thread mentioning you were going to post this. so i followed you here.

that said....i agree completely and perhaps we got off on the wrong foot here. i agree that the occult in and of itself isnt bad. as occult is simply hidden mysteries or the study of them or something like that so the occult itself isnt a bad thing.

the problem though becomes as you rightly point out:

"What we must keep in mind is that while this symbol itself is not evil it is the perversion of it that makes it left handed. When it is flipped on its head this symbol becomes to the magician or sorcerer a form of "black magic" and therefore a means of evil."

this then becomes the chief problem....generally speaking people arent studying or reading about the christian occult and how it relates to blood human sacrifices....it is always some version of satanism. christianity certainly has symbols all throughout and perhaps there should be a christian occult or group that studies the deep mysteries of Christ. but this is rarely the case, it is usually the satanist that here doing that.

as such the symbols very often take on an evil connotation.

even knowing this....a life time of programming is hard to always react against. and having read many of these pizzagate threads, a lot of people seem to be defending some of this stuff. so i suspect there is a larger problem at work beyond just not getting the definition of occult correct.

that said i appreciate the reply and you clearly know quite a bit about it.

if you don't mind i would love to hear what you have to say on:

"Essentially both these symbols are used in whats called "ceremonial magic/magick" and Alchemy. Many, if not all, occult teachings contain the study of ceremonial magick and Alchemy. Whether it be Thelema, Wicca, The Qabbalah, Free Masonry, Rosicrucianism, Hindu mysticism or The Templars. I won't go into the process and practice of ceremonial magic here unless someone is interested."

thanks again

Sure I would be happy to talk about the process of ceremonial magic. First addressing your thoughts on what seems to be the absence of Christian occultism. If you would like to know more about that you will find that the mysticism of Christ and those who study it are quite extensive. Rosicrucians and The Templars are the gold standard for Christian mysticism and I personally love studying that sect of the occult because I used to be a Roman Catholic.

I would like to start out with a quote from the great occultist Manly P. Hall on the practice of virtue trumping magic always.

"Among the Qabbalists of the Middle Ages were a great number of black magicians who strayed from the noble concepts of the Sepher Yetzirah and became enmeshed in demonism and witchcraft. They sought to substitute magic mirrors, consecrated daggers, and circles spread around posts of coffin nails, for the living of that virtuous life which, without the assistance of complicated rituals or submundane creatures, unfailingly brings man to the state of true individual completion."

I find this to be very important. I myself do not practice ceremonial magic. To master these practices even if one plans to use them for good is quite difficult to say the least and has really been lost on our modern secular culture. Unless you manage to find a true sorcerer who can teach you the ways of the astral plains I would recommend staying away from most ceremonial magic. In "The Occult Sciences" Arthur Edward Waites explains that to invoke the elementals of the astral plain one must be void of any vices or passions lest you become a plaything for the spirits. If you could not curb your fears of certain aspects of Earth, water, air, and fire your gonna have a bad time. This however does not stop us from studying it and understanding its purpose.

Ultimately the practice of ceremonial magic is to gain fruits of transcendental knowledge and supernatural power through modes of calling the spirits of the astral plain down to the physical world. A magician who has summoned one of these spirits may also make a contract with a spirit which would facilitate an exchange of some service between the two. Classic example is promising your service in the after life to this spirit in exchange for some temporal talent or wealth. The "I made a deal with a the devil at the crossroads" story is probably the most well known. Now you may be saying to yourself that that's a bunch nonsense and there is no such thing as these "spirits" who can give you super powers. My response to people on this is to ask them if they have ever heard of astral projection. Most people have at least heard of this in passing and if you listen to anyone who has practiced it and managed to play in the astral realm they all have similar stories of seeing strange alien creatures. These are the spirits of the astral realm and they are what the magician is trying to contact.

Most ceremonial magic is performed with the use of a wand/sword which is consecrated, a magic circle which protects the sorcerer and another circle for the spirit to be summoned in. Depending on what kind of circle is drawn dictates the type of spirit to be summoned. Then a series of prayers is said while moving about the circle. If all is done correctly and the magician deemed worthy an astral spirit will apparite. It is at this point you can communicate with it. Ask what kind of spirit it is. Dismiss it. Ask it for a favor or some knowledge etc.

might i ask why you left the roman catholics? and are you religious at all now? especially curious given your knowledge on the subject.

i want to ask you....i am approaching this first and foremost from a christian perspective....specitically a mormon christian perspective.

so terms like magician are at best taboo. to that end....are the knights templars the only known holy occult group? this almost feels like it dives down an endless rabbit hole.

in the story of moses in the old testament for example....the pharoah uses magicians to try and copy moses and they are of course the bad guys.

the only scriptural story of a guy that invokes spirits seems to be stories about Solomon though none made it into the bible if I recall correctly. the founder of the mormons Joseph Smith never mentions anything either, though he is said to have used a few odd things(hats and stones) and Paul i think heals a guy with a shadow(one of the apostles does). the book of mormon folks use a urim and thunimum(spelling)

so the stuff is out there and the scriptures do speak of it....but i guess as far as invoking spirits for help? that part I havent noticed in any christian lore anywhere. the bible for example warns against familar spirits.

I guess i am both curious and cautious to learn more....i have interacted with the spirit world enough to know it is there and it is very real....but i also know to treat cautiously in certain respects. my caution is then not to inadvertedly invoke the black arts because of course it isnt talked about. it is rarely mentioned and it is almost always seen as evil. if the apostle that healed a guy with his shadow was alive today, no doubt he'd be called a satanist.

I do agree with this:

"If you could not curb your fears of certain aspects of Earth, water, air, and fire your gonna have a bad time."

you cannot go in half hearted and fearful. do not interact with spirits if you are unaware of what you are dealing with. in this i do believe christians are sorely overpowered these days. with no knowledge on this subject.

i guess what started this for me was....learning how to cast out satan thoroughly and completely and those old stories of healing the sick and the lame and so on....attempting to tap into that faith and power which seems to ellude me.

"Unless you manage to find a true sorcerer who can teach you the ways of the astral plains I would recommend staying away from most ceremonial magic."

I believe i have met and know one such fellow. due to conflicting things that occurred....this brings me to a spiritual crisis where i cannot tell who is right and who is wrong.

"Arthur Edward Waites explains that to invoke the elementals of the astral plain one must be void of any vices or passions lest you become a plaything for the spirits."

sadly the aforementioned healing that i seek, makes me bound to certain vices. i simply cannot seem to shake them....this is why i think i remain confused.

i do actually know a bit about the holy occult as a thing....but i wanted to see what you knew as its clear you know stuff i do not know. and i havent studied it extensively or anything. but i do know some stuff.

in any event....good conversation so far. much appreciated.

if you want we can continue chatting in PMs or here. not sure how you feel about some of this stuff.

Why I left is a long story. It really just came down to seeing that the occult wasn't teaching people how to worship the devil. I'll send you a PM addressing the rest of your comment as well. What I can say now though is to not fear the knowledge that occult teachings contain. Just start researching. Egyptian mythology is a great place to start.

alright cool.

look forward to it.

Oh sorry I sent you a message back in that thread. Will send it here to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ots28KAOMYY

no worries about the late reply...its all good.....i even hear rumors that there is life beyond reddit? tell me....what is outside like? lol

yes we all have our vices....if only it was so easy to get rid of them

so how are you defining ceremonial magic....i feel like that could mean 10000 different things depending on the person.

my stance on the mormons is....joseph smith was a prophet who restored much of the true gospel of Christ that had been lost thanks to nearly 2000 years of the catholics going off course....and since the time of joseph smith the mormon church has gone off course too. so you could say i am mormon, but not really a fan of the current church.

yes i am aware smith depending on who you ask was the greatest con man in history of the biggest saint since Jesus.

Rosicrucians? nope....unfamilar.

i'll check out those videos....they are quite long so i'll have to make specific time for that.

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Been a little busy. I am also bound to certain vices but that shouldn't stop you form seeking the knowledge that is out there. I would just recommend staying away from CEREMONIAL magic. There are all kinds of magic which to occultists simply means exercising your will.

Are you still involved with the Mormons? Do you know much about Rosicrucians? Like I said I would maybe start there. Depending on where you live there might be a local sect you can reach out to.

This guy is great. He has some great talks that may interest you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ots28KAOMYY

Baphomet has an interesting history which can be dated back to the Templars. Many believed they worshiped this image as an idol but that is up for debate. Today we see it used by the self proclaimed "Satanic Temple" Take note of the pentagram in both representations.

Actually there seems to be a star on the seconds forehead which is like the first one, but the sign behind the second one is inverted

Oh you are right! Good observation. Rather curious as to why they have the one right side up on Baphomet and one inverted.

Vancouver does suck and it will get worse before it gets better, did you see the new 10k tax on empty property.

Pentagram is nothing other than satanic. So is baal, baphomet, molech and Ishtar. They co-opted Christianity to create a satanic Catholicism which then destroyed European "paganism" which wasn't satanic (didn't sacrifice children, didn't hate the beauty of the image of God in people)

that doesnt matter though. the people involved are using satanism as their religion of choice and they are using those symbols are the means of that.

why are people so for defending the church of satan as if its somehow a good church?

I don't defend the Satanic Temple. I defend the occult. I have written a response in the thread that states what I try to impart to people.

Whatever the fuck you want to call it : it sucks

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You're not the target of that message.

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I am a Christian and I do believe that their religion is the motivation. But every that after that it just doesn't matter what you call it. I just don't get why people say Christians are crazy, I mean look. We have been saying for thousands of years that people are evil and there are spiritual powers behind it. The Bible isnt just some book that talks about how to be a good person. It talks about very very advanced subjects beyond our realm. And since it's all real, God even makes promises to you through it that you will see come true by prayers and experiences. God is real people, these days are very close to what the Bible talks about being the end of days.

The Satanic Part is most important. It is the reason behind everything they do. The Elite worship the group that controls this world and this Simulated Reality we exist in. The are brutally evil satanists called "THE ARCHONS"..

We're so fucking close now. DONT LET UP IN THE WIKILEaks

r/romerules

Great sub should be sidebar but the mods are gatekeeping.

The punic wars were justified by the romans due to the child sacrafices taking place at the hands of the carthagenians to moloch. Where do you think the jews got the idea from? Their good buddies the phoenicians.

the same moloch they worship at bohemian grove?

The one and only.

Don't forget, the one who has been referenced multiple times in wikileaks emails.

someone made a comment on the pizza owners instagram about it too

The same Moloch that Hillary a Hillary contact sacrificed a chicken to.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30489

For anyone who doesn't know she isn't talking about a yard bird, she is referring to killing a young boy. Chicken lover = young boy love/r

It seems pretty obvious that was a sarcastic statement in the email.

Maybe but it is at least nice that they keep the primary deity consistent amongst the ruling class.

100% agree with you but wtf kind of reference is that be using in the first place? If someone emailed me that I would ask them what the fuck they were trying to say

I've been stuck on this, too! What average joe knows about Moloch, anyway, let alone sacrificing stuff to it? A normal person probably would have alluded to just "praying really hard". Obviously they aren't "average joes", but the Moloch thing is either a running joke in their circle or this is meant sincerely.

exactly sacrificing a chicken to moloch isnt exactly your average sarcastic remark. given all the other emails it's even less sarcastic. also moloch is oddly specific too and not really well known.

yeah I usualy make jokes involving obscure pagan gods HAHAHAH never

That was not written by Hillary Clinton.

W ith fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch . .

You're right it was Lewis Amselem, the head of the U.S. delegation to the Organization of American States.

It's not moloch at bohemian grove. The owl is a representation of goddess worship.

yes the Owl is Minerva, the owl at the grove does have a fire belly like the bull....but its supposed to be an owl...maybe its a bull...its a big (fake) rock that could be either

http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/wp-content/uploads/Owl-Capitol-Building.jpg

But that's not Moloch at the Grove. Moloch is a bull...

Owl is Minerva

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

Carthago delenda est...

phoenicians.

unexpected redpill

No. The Punic Wars were over control of the Mediterranean, the Romans are notorious for slandering their enemies historically. In fact nearly every culture in ancient history did this, they would create a boogeyman image of their foes.

Notice I said justified. I understand war propaganda just fine. Do you? What do you think of the Nazi's?

However there is this.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

This organization has actually been around since the tower of babel...its has been around since the fall of 1/3rd of the angels i heaven...it made its way known on earth since the garden of eden. Here is what you need to know:

Know Your Enemy: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCED9C361662866BD

They built the the tower of babel, started roman catholicism, free masonry, the fed, the u.n., the french revolution, mormonism, were behind evolution and are all about this new 'tolerance' agenda.

This is a huge topic and it feels like we're accelerating towards a greater understanding every day on a mass level. The evolution of consciousness is happening now.

This is likely to get down-voted by those who are easily shaken from their current beliefs, but it's worth it if a few people decided to dig further.

The Khazarians are one group worth looking into regarding the 'fall' of the angels, which is actually a story about the descent of 5th density ETs onto earth. Certain ET groups accelerated neanderthal evolution into modern human form by altering the DNA. Spirituality is a true way to connect to GOD (which is the SOURCE of all) but religion is the control system that these negative ET groups set up to control humanity. Many of the 'gods' from myth are only ET visitors from different races who've visited in ancient times.

These rituals based in fear or trauma (murder, war, pedophilia) are a source of energy and many of these negative groups feed off of us like parasites. Every major war is a false flag war. One hand creates the problem, the other hand provides the solution.

Reincarnation is real... and everyone has lived many lives, some only here on this planet and others elsewhere in the universe. There are both positive and negative ET groups incarnated in human form now, and these 'satanic' type people, who are the same as the Illuminati, practice energy-based blood ritual (magic) on large and small scales to manifest their preferred reality over the masses. The Khazarians are one such group, and relates to many of the current world leaders involved in globalism.

David Icke speaks the truth. We are dealing with a multi-dimensional reality and centuries of misunderstood history. These things are scary to some but we are inching our way to disclosure on many subjects every day.

I know a lot of it might sound crazy to some, which is why the truth can't fully be told to everyone all at once. There is too much brainwashing and mind control. And this is also why the positive ET groups don't just land in a public place today... They are contacting people on an individual basis and making themselves seen here and there. Peace.

How do you reach these conclusions...

I grew up atheist, or actually agnostic, but someone very close to me had a huge spiritual awakening a few years ago and began to manifest clairvoyant abilities, seeing multidimensionally, out of body experiences, astral projection, telepathy with ET Spirit Guides. This isn't exactly very common, but there are many others who have experienced this as well.

I've since been studying many related fields for the past several years and have worked hard to cross-verify and discern certain teachers who understand these things and teach truth. For anyone interested in these things, check out recent stuff by David Wilcock. He goes in depth on many of these subjects, but foremost is involved with the areas of consciousness evolution (ascension) and the forthcoming ET disclosures.

I advise you run from this immediately. It's not a spiritual awakening it's the false light, these special abilities aren't abilities they are a curse upon your soul. Run while you still can before you lose yourself, your going down the wrong rabbit hole straight towards the exact thing the OP is referring to. True light doesn't come with super powers. Save yourself

You're both insane. This shit is why nobody takes this sub seriously at all. Just what the fuck

I don't understand this "can't take the sub seriously" crap I see every day on this sub. People can't discern for themselves what they should take seriously and what to leave alone? Everything on the sub is discredited because people discuss a wide variety of viewpoints and theories in the same place? Are people not allowed to use their imaginations anymore and discuss things without constantly trying to please the rigidly skeptical who can only think in the left side of their brains without having a concern trolling, insult spewing meltdown like you? If there's people that judge the entire sub because there is something here that they don't like or agree with I say good riddance to that close minded ignorance.

Let people freely discuss what they like. No one is right about everything and no one has a right to shut these people up, especially if they are stupid enough to think they know everything.

Its a ctr talking point to discredit.

Ya no one is buying your bs. Thanks tho

That's just it, it's imagination. This isn't the place for that. This is the place for investigation and facts.

Imagination is part of investigation. It's called hypothesizing.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein

Imagination=fantasy

Dude stop being such a negative ET.

CTR TALKING POINT LOCATED!

"why nobody takes this sub seriously."

Speak for yourself. This shit is why I'm here in the first place.

Ignorance is bliss

aint that the fucking truth.

You are correct

You are speaking from a place from fear. Yes, there is such a thing as deception and false light... but these are not 'super powers'. These are abilities that all humans once had and will return to again. We are in a state of being handicapped NOW. Fear is the deception. Only love is real.

Wrongo friendo, there's a veil between planes that is not meant to be breached. Accessing supernatural powers is breaching that veil and opening yourself to something your finite mind cannot handle, you don't know what is deception and what is real and entities cross the veil without you knowing it.

Live your life for others is all that matters. Human minds are not meant to breach the veil, you can't discern what comes back across. I tell you this out of concern, I've seen how far the rabbit hole goes and it always leads to the same path.

False light. Enslavement because of ego, you are not a god and you are not adequately designed to see beyond this 3 dimensional reality lest you want deceptive entities to influence your mind. You might think you're becoming enlightened and indigo but you're being duped, there are only two paths; live for others and live a life of sacrifice or become enslaved by your own ego, an ego that can be twisted and manipulated when you breach the veil.

I do agree that we must be service to others... but everything else you said is not my truth and I respectfully disagree. This is the realm of ego enslavement of the mind. We are all spiritual beings have a brief physical experience.

This is not the realm of enslavement you have been duped. This is the realm of....

Freewill.

You are designed to live your life with freewill in this dimension. Denying that and viewing it as a realm of enslavement is the number one tenant in Luciferean ideology. You have been tricked, I don't say this out of condescension or hate I say it truthfully. You have been lied to and tricked, it's not too late to save yourself.

You do not write the truths of this reality and thusly these are not my truths or my ideas. They are the immutable components of natural law. You are on the wrong path and you've been offered an olive branch, I suggest you take it. Your truths are lies to manipulate you into falling into Lucifereanism.

Our minds are not infinite and are not capable of expanding infinitely. Seeking ultimate enlightennent will lead you to madness, run, I urge you, turn the opposite direction and run.

Yes there is freewill... but there is much illusion and trickery in the 3rd and 4th dimensions (astral plane). That's what I mean by enslavement. Of fear and belief systems that keep people locked in their suffering... 3rd dimension is where polarity exists, where everything has an opposite and where time exists. I'm as against Lucerferianism as I am Satanism. I know what I'm talking about. I appreciate your concern, thanks.

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Rarely do I see someone tell these real truths...

Or I could disregard your comment as bullshit and continue on my path to bring freedom to humanity. Yep that sounds about right

You two should duke it out in a padded room and stay there.

I would be interested in meeting your friend and testing these claims.

Show me. Solid proof, or I'm just gonna continue thinking rationally.

I never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking. -Albert Einstein

This is seriously why so many people, even some very smart people, are still asleep. They are trapped in the brain cage of rigid skepticism, thinking with only the left side of their brains. Another Einstein quote related to this: “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

How about some proof then. Make the skeptics eat crow or are you too elevated and above us to display your powers?

they wont, I mean they think that these guys couldnt create a anonymous email account and talk about this, and now we got pasta and pizza code language meaning sacrifice and child pedophilia and not one child, one victim, one report, or case linked to any players. Trump won and they are still rambling on about delusional crap

People like you are one of the reasons pedophile rings can get away with what they do for so long. Discouraging people from investigating this is just ridiculous.

im not discouraging anyone or anything, so far all I have said is show the evidence. Your evidence doesent go above some vague emails and a pizza shop. I mean we already know that the FBI so far has been the largest disseminator of child porn in history. There are so many cases of child rings caught within the government and not prosecuted with evidence. I believe there are high level things going on. Penn state is a prime example, I refuse to believe that the Sandusky charity does not have more victims. Also the Vatican is a prime example of international situations and I believe that was why the nazi pope stepped down. But this is wild speculation mixed with political rhetoric and flimsy stuff. Saville is another prime example. I mean the subway guy even should of been caught a long time ago.

No one has to do shit for you. There's plenty of evidence about pedophile rings already which is why people are investigating in the first place, which you wouldn't know of course, because your expect it to be handed to you instead of doing a little work to educate your lazy ass like now. If you can't wrap your head around it go stick it in the sand somewhere. And it's ridiculous to say don't investigate because there's no hard proof yet when that is the point of investigating in the first place.

If you make a claim, you must back it up. If I wasted time researching on all dumbass internet claims, I wouldnt have any time left to post this reply to you. Do you feel special now?

You're not ready. Be patient.

Schizophrenia, loneliness, and youtube.

There has been A LOT of talk surrounding out time as being that of a mass awakening, and enlightenment.

it's called the Age of Aquarius - http://www.2012-spiritual-growth-prophecies.com/age-of-aquarius.html

"The Age of Aquarius is causing great turmoil in order to make room for the new values of love, brotherhood, unity and integrity. Everything with Piscean values is being exposed and taken down. This includes governments, corporations, individuals, and even personal relationships. "

Reincarnation is real...

Prove it.

I do not have proof to offer you in the way that you probably mean, but if you are open-minded and intellectually curious, there are many stories out there of children who have knowledge of lives in the past which have turned out to be factually accurate to real people... Personal things that could not have been learned otherwise. If you really want to know the truth, then you will find it.

A person can be open minded and intellectually curious but that doesn't mean the stories they encounter are real.

I do not have proof to offer you

there are many stories

K

Unfortunately this cliché is so true:

"No one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."

I don't mean that we are in a literal matrix like in the movie. But that first movie puts forth the perfect metaphor to help people understand what is really going on. Whether that was intentional on the writer's part or not, I couldn't say.

In the film you could be unplugged, then hooked to a machine and shown the matrix. That's called proof. What these people here offer is heresay and a holier than thou attitude if you dont swallow their unsubstantiated bs.

As someone who considers themselves a skeptic (not in the way it is now used, to mean dismissing anything that doesn't jive with mainstream information, but in that I seek evidence before I believe something), I don't think they could offer you or I any proof we would accept outside of personally experiencing what they're talking about.

And the only one being condescending and holier-than-thou here is you.

I'm not holier than you. I just believe something you don't believe. And that's fine.

I think you meant to reply to LordPubes. I agree that, while I don't believe what you believe, you have done nothing here but share your view. I think posts like yours are perfect for this sub. Everywhere else you'd be called a loon. That shouldn't happen here. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

Yep. The Matrix is a great analogy to what our current situation is... Also, the Wachowski's have gotten eerily close to great truths in several of their films. Cloud Atlas is a fairly accurate depiction of reincarnation, even Jupiter Ascending has 'some' accuracy, but it's all thrown in a blender and obviously doesn't work that well as a film.

A shame they stole the plot from Grant Morrison.

i thought this was pretty convincing but there are plenty of other stories similar to this

I'm very open to these ideas and somewhat familiar with them. I'm wondering, what's your take on the whole Moloch thing? Higher dimensional entity, spiritual construct, a lesser god, etc?

Bible writers are good contemporaries for the last time there was a big revolution against molech. Spoiler alert: they slaughter all the molech worshippers.

Very interesting. So maybe "burning the witches" wasn't such a bad thing...

Moloch is just another figure in the satanic magical system. I don't know if he/it was an actual physical being or only representative of an energetic archetype, but the idea of worshipping these deities is about opposing God-Source through 'free will' in 3rdDimension. It's all energy-work on some level, and blood sacrifice, and other trauma, is a way of channeling energy to these 'deities'. Anu, Enki, Enlil, Baal, and many more were all ET instigators in our history, in these cases from the Orion or Sirius constellations.

Much of what is going on relates to 'inter-dimensional' beings as opposed to 'extra-terrestrial'... they are specifically called Archons, and David Icke has gone into this subject extensively. The reptilians and Archons (Andromedans) work hand-in-hand in controlling many governments (Illuminati), banking and religious systems. These are all systems meant to enslave us.

There is only one true God (Source), which is where all things in the Universe come from, and all things are made of, including us. We are all extensions of God-Source... any being that has claimed to be a 'god' is not, although sometimes in the past, such as Ancient Egypt, some well-meaning ET visitors were mistaken as 'gods' and worshipped.

There have been many, such as Jesus (Yeshua) or Buddha, who have come to teach us greater truths. These are what we'd call 'ascended masters'. The true God-Source does not need worship, and is not vengeful, only false 'gods' do and are.

Thanks for the informative reply. Appreciate it.

Im going to need a source on all this. David Icke, /x/, and GLP dont count.

That's cool. But if you're interested in real truth, you will keep an open mind.

I am interested and do keep an open mind. I just dont want my open mind be filled with sewage from opportunists and schizophrenics.

I hear ya. But those labels are thrown around too frequently to disparage things not well understood... The 'New Age' movement from decades ago was actually a Psi-op invented by the Tavistock Institute to discredit legit information. There are far less opportunists than there were in years past, mostly because it's gets harder to fake the real thing these days. We have a mass awakening happening, and we have the internet. It's good to keep and open mind and stay discerning... blind skepticism can often be the enemy of truth.

Schizophrenia is not likely to be mistaken as a legit source channeled information, the symptoms are too chaotic. I personally feel that many mental illnesses are a result of parasitic/dimensional interference...somewhat related to the idea of 'possession'.

I appreciate your time and insight.

Excellent articulate post. Well done.

The above is an example of trying to muddy the waters. The simple fact is the bible is true. There are no lizard people. The God of the bible made the universe, Jesus was resurrected and the bible is real.

The Bible is allegory, it's teaching nuclear physics to a 5 year old. I don't dispute it's essential spiritual truths and it's ability to teach about good and evil, but the truth about this universe is far more profound.

Learning that green is just a word for a spectrum of light frequencies doesn't mean using the word green is wrong. But it does mean that telling the guy talking about light vibration that he's wrong because your book says green is, itself, wrong.

exactly, if you wanted to teach quantum theory to a largely uneducated group of people and have it be relatable, you aren't going to start with equations and technical terms. you would try to compare it to something that they are familiar with such as the relationship between father and son

coming on this subreddit always scares me

i'm gonna have nightmares, i wish y'all wouldn't talk like this stuff

i was just going to bed too. i really need to filter this sub out or something

i'm just imagining lizard aliens now. why do you scare me??

Lol, you are in r/conspiracy...you do know that right?! Think pleasant thoughts pal, at least before bed!

Oh bullshit. Yes, we all love the phrase "muddy the waters" now, and we all know why. You don't get to just throw that at anyone you disagree with and expect us to blindly accept that you are on the side of truth.

There is no reason to believe that the name Jesus refers to a real person, much less that he was somehow resurrected. Come on people, we can do better than this. This is not an all or nothing game. Many of us here are scientists, engineers, mathematicians, or academics. You make blanket statements like "they were behind evolution" or "they built the Tower of Babel" and talk about fallen angels and the Garden of Eden and expect us not to laugh?

Look, there is something new that the world is coming to understand, for sure. There is more to the nature of the Universe than many people would imagine. But it is real and physical just like everything else. No magic, no gods, but a dramatically revised perspective on the true nature of reality is rapidly emerging.

I mean no offense, but you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and think about whether you are offering real, meaningful insights or merely chasing that "eureka!" sensation. We all do it, there is no shame in it.

Just a thought: In regards to scientists, engineers, mathematicians, and academics, if we step into a hypothetical reality where God, Satan, angels, and demons all exist (presumably in a realm/dimension/capacity beyond our comprehension) and we know that to 100% fact (again, hypothetical), then what gives science–the irrefutable cornerstone of modern societies–the power to overrule and invalidate the heavenly realm? After all, science is an ever-evolving process that continues to accumulate knowledge as time goes on (i.e. by nature it is incomplete), slowly learning by trial and error, rinse and repeat etc.

So if in this hypothetical world we admit that there are entities and beings beyond our realm, how can one say anything along the lines of "With science I've disproved God!" (not your words, just an example to illustrate my point) with any more relief and comfort than those who adamantly believe in said realm? After all, I highly doubt that every scientist, engineer, mathematician, and academic has poured through every record of scientific data and therefore must be operating on some notion of faith/presumption that the words written in well-revered articles are in fact true and conclusive. When you start to analyze this stance from a philosophy standpoint, it really starts to unravel and place huge cracks in the concrete-ness of the Unquestionable Scientific Authority (for lack of a better term).

I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other, I'm just floating out the thought of "Why are you so confident that things unexplained and unexplainable by science simply cannot exist?" Perhaps it provides one holding that viewpoint some sort of comfort and assurance that the reality you've been pitched your whole entire life indeed is the way the world/universe works, which draws loose parallels to the way America thought the election would work out prior to their rude awakening. Perhaps you don't actually deny this theory entirely but rather accept that based on what seems to have worked for you up til now, the likelihood of it being real is low enough to where you can safely assume it is not. But again, if we're in this hypothetical reality, isn't that exactly what a Lucifer-figure would want of you?

Sorry to ramble, these kinds of thoughts bounce around in my head on a daily basis. All I'm really trying to say is, while you can be sure of the chances of one thing, you really can never be too sure of any one thing entirely. And in light of all the crazy events that have happened in the past decade and beyond, I'm very hesitant to ever call anything farfetched. After all, didn't we all used to regard people claiming the government was tapping their phones as tin-foil hat wearing crazies? Low and behold, the NSA has been active and not without work for quite a while up until Snowden blew his whistle. Just another example to show no matter how ridiculous something sounds (often times by design to muddy up the waters), the status quo with which we draw comparison to (eventually concluding that it's farfetched etc.) is not as infallible as our comfort-seeking-brains believe it to be.

If any of that was unclear I'd be happy to further expand/ramble. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Edit: grammar

Look, there is something new that the world is coming to understand, for sure. There is more to the nature of the Universe than many people would imagine. But it is real and physical just like everything else. No magic, no gods, but a dramatically revised perspective on the true nature of reality is rapidly emerging.

FUCKING THANK YOU. It's all physics, we just need to adjust our fucking model people.

How did nothing become something without the supernatural? Please explain to me the origin of the universe and the beginning point of evolution, when nonlife became life..

If you want to have a serious conversation about these matters, I would have to ask what is your background in quantum mechanics? More generally, what is your background in mathematics?

Some aspects of the story of abiogenesis are accessible without so much background. Obviously the whole story of what you are asking has not reached the status of scientific consensus. But there are some "big picture" ideas that we can discuss that will help you understand how there might be a natural explanation for something so beautiful and complex like the living, breathing Universe we see around us.

I dont need to have a degree. I just listen to lawrence krauss. I listen to him get challenged. Then i draw my conclusion. Degrees are overrated....although i have one. Everything i learned in school is on the internet for free now.

I didn't ask about any degrees. I asked about your background in quantum mechanics and mathematics. This is not an attempt to disarm you. Mathematics is a powerful language, and the kind of conversation we can have here about these very serious topics will depend on your experience.

If you cant break it down simply then there is no point in any discussion. No longwinded stuff...just practical. The bible is written on a 4th grade level....so write expound on your theories like im 11 or 12.

CTR is going for a different a angle Now, ya?

I don't think CTR cares very much about these kinds of topics.

Yes, there are great truths in the bible, and other religious texts... In the case of the bible, Roman Emperor Constantine tampered with much of it. Jesus did not preach of Hell or Satan. These thing were added later.

I absolutely believe in Jesus and his teachings, but he taught that we all have Divinity within us, not that he was literally the ONLY son of God... and lizard people, they are reptilians from the Orion constellation. And I KNOW that's hard to believe.

There are no shape-shifters as Icke as been misinterpreted as saying, but these groups are incarnated in human form in some instances. This where the archetypal form of Satan comes from. The Catholics needed this fear inducing image to incorporate into their magical system. Not all people who are religious are serving dark beings, but overall it's been a system of control to keep society from advancing.

Jesus did not preach of Hell or Satan. These thing were added later.

Yes he did.

That's circular isn't it?... I'm saying that any references to Jesus speaking of hell or satan are not truthful, but you are free to disagree. In reality, 'hell' only exists in this physical world, and is only the state of experiencing suffering.

Assuming that Jesus is real, how did he not preach of Hell or Satan when the oldest NT scriptures, which predate Constantine, have him doing exactly that? And then you go on to say hell only exists in the physical and is a state of experiencing suffering. How can this be if Hell is cast into the lake of fire?

You're saying Constantine could not have altered pre-existing texts... Jesus taught what we call now 'Gnostic Christianity'... It can be explained very simply in that all is 'Oneness' and God is only Love. Suffering is illusion... Similar to Buddhism. We are living in the Book of Revelations right now, these are the 'end times' but it's the end of a cycle of time. There is no lake of fire.

Where in the Bible did you get that from? Jesus very clearly talks about hell and Satan in Mark 9:43, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 10:28, Matthew 22:13, and more. You could even argue that He talked about hell more than He talked about heaven

You're saying Constantine could not have altered pre-existing texts...

No, I'm saying that Jesus preached about Hell and Satan. You're the one saying Constantine altered it and that those things were later added. It's on you to support your claim, it's not on me.

Jesus taught what we call now 'Gnostic Christianity'...

Actually what he taught was simply known as "The Way" and has nothing to do with Gnostic Christianity or Gnosticism whatsoever.

It can be explained very simply in that all is 'Oneness' and God is only Love. Suffering is illusion... Similar to Buddhism.

See above.

We are living in the Book of Revelations right now, these are the 'end times' but it's the end of a cycle of time.

Possibly.

There is no lake of fire.

Yet the book you just said we're living in specifically says that Hell is tossed into the lake of fire...

Jesus didn't actually call it 'Gnostic Christianity' but that's what it's called now... Hell was not a word used then, it was Gehenna, which was where they dumped dead bodies outside Jerusalem.

I'm not going to pretend to be a biblical scholar, I just know that there is no realm of eternal suffering which Catholics refer to as Hell. That much is completely made up. There is no judgment after death. Catholicism has intertwined a false system upon a true system, which is how they successfully use it to their advantage on a multi-dimensional level. It's a dark magic system to maintain fear and control.

I know what I'm saying is controversial to religious people, that much is not lost on me. Jesus and his followers were legitimately teaching higher truths. The greater message endures.

Jesus didn't actually call it 'Gnostic Christianity' but that's what it's called now...

Well I just gave you the name of what it was called and it has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

Hell was not a word used then, it was Gehenna, which was where they dumped dead bodies outside Jerusalem.

And Gehenna was also a place that Jews believed people went to after they died. You can start your study with Gan Eden, Olam Ha-Ba and Rabbi Yohanan ben Zakka.

I'm not going to pretend to be a biblical scholar, I just know that there is no realm of eternal suffering which Catholics refer to as Hell.

See above. How do you know this? Who said anything about Catholics?

That much is completely made up.

Yet you provide no evidence.

There is no judgment after death. Catholicism has intertwined a false system upon a true system, which is how they successfully use it to their advantage on a multi-dimensional level. It's a dark magic system to maintain fear and control.

Not relevant to what we're discussing, bro.

I know what I'm saying is controversial to religious people, that much is not lost on me. Jesus and his followers were legitimately teaching higher truths. The greater message endures.

Well I'm not "religious" so what you're saying doesn't apply to me. In addition, I don't see how what you're saying is controversial. If anything it's rooted in a fallacy and a lack of knowledge when it comes to Abrahamic religions, Yeshua/Jesus, syncretism and early versions of the NT. None of which I am holding against you, just sayin'.

Anyway, I gave you "Jewish" things that you can look into, things that have nothing to do with Catholicism and what you're attempting to pass off as fact.

We are living in the Book of Revelations right now, these are the 'end times'

Great. We have another prophet of doom in here. Please. Christians believe theyve been living in the end times for 2000 years.

Nope, I'm an optimist. I know that a bright future is ahead. But look around you - the situation the world is dire. We are at a breaking point, which marks an advancement and a breakthrough for humankind. These are 'cycles' of time, not the end of time.

Christians have been telling the world that the situation is a dire and we are on a breaking point for two thousand years. Frankly, it's getting old.

That is true. But it's not like you can say things are that great now. Two thousand years is not a long time in the totality of human history on earth. It's the blink of an eye... Cycles of time.

So when am I getting to see that dragon coming out of the earth? We've been promised that for 2000 years. When do we get dragon?

Sorry, I don't know anything about that.

Big help you are.

How do you know Lizard people come from Orion specifically? Why not Alpha Centauri? How do YOU know? Are you a chosen one?

Nobody is a chosen one. Everyone has access to truth, which comes from the Higher Self, which is connected to Source. There are truthful messengers out there, and through meditation a person can feel what resonates with them. This is one way of finding the right direction...

In my case, and increasingly for many others, there is direct communication with beings who are here to assist in this awakening that is happening now. This source of information, and through my own personal research into other sources, sometimes even ancient knowledge, has lead me to specific answers. There are many ancient cultures who had the answers all along.

There are groups from MANY different star systems who have come and gone, some good and some bad, but the reptilians specifically come from Alpha Draconis in the Orion system.

Ok, so back to my question, how did you stumble upon this truth? Read it somewhere or was it channelled specifically to you?

It's a combination of asking many direct questions to someone in my family with direct telepathic communication with 5D Pleiadians (not channeled) who are Guides (we all have them, but different kinds)... and almost daily study for about 5 years. Both ancient knowledge and modern teachers and channelers... there are many excellent sources of channeled information that are open to everyone. Bashar is a particularly great source - look him up on youtube.

Lol Bashar k. Good luck in your travels.

Ok, thanks.

Daryl Anka has been channeling Bashar for over 30 years and has never given any false information. If you're only response is 'lol', then you haven't given that source of information a chance. The reason why some people never learn anything is because they need things to look and feel a certain way. This is conditioning.

Bashar LOL. Keep believing the bs filled, feel-good platitudes a bad conman with a worse fake accent gives you. We're done here.

and the earth is flat and aliens don't exist

There's a difference between what we discuss in this thread and outright lunacy. Your comment falls into the second category. Angels cannot be proven real, so we have no reason to believe they exist. Same goes for heaven, Eden, the Tower of Babel story, all of that. It's nonsense.

So how's about we focus on the things that are tangible and evident? A twisted cult focused on worshiping evil, albeit fictional, entities, raping, sacrificing, and/or eating children, and enslaving the human race is tangible and evident. We have plenty of evidence of THAT.

Do you know where you can find evidence of these cults? That bible. Its not a shock to me you guys are uncovering this...but im trying to get most of you see the bigger picture. The elite are all worshipping this...they have done it since the beginning. The only way to combat it is by living the bible....that the actual truth and the actual conspiracy.

Read up on molech and baal...you will see child sacrifes and rape and all that. Its right there in the old testament.

They could be worshiping Barney the Purple Dinosaur and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. What matters is that they want to rape, murder, consume, and enslave humanity. So we have to out them before they succeed.

But u should know why. And the reason is because the bible is as real to them as anything else.

The stuff in the Bible is about as real as Barney the Purple Dinosaur. It's really not that hard to figure out. I suggest visiting r/atheism and asking them some questions.

What specifically in the bible has been proven false? Can u name 1 thing? Not a list of generality...but 1 thing.

With pleasure.

Noah's flood: There are so may things wrong with this story, it's gonna take me a while to list them simply because I'll be laughing about it the whole time.

1) The story itself was plagiarized from earlier myths. Gilgamesh, anyone?

2) There is not enough water ON OR IN this planet in ANY form for it to have happened. The only way for God to flood the entire planet such that it covered the highest mountain- which, by the way, is Mount friggin' Everest at approx. 8,850 meters (29,035 feet) above sea level- is if he magicked it into existence, and then magicked it out of existence when he was done.

3) Speaking of Everest, the tip of that thing is so high up, that if God really did flood the planet about twenty feet above that, Almost everything on the ark would freeze to death. Anything that didn't freeze would die of exhaustion and/or suffocation because of reduced air pressure lowering the amount of available oxygen by about 33%.

4) Let's talk about that water now. That much water will cause massive changes to water pressure, light filtration, the temperature of the water, and don't even get me started on salt and fresh water inevitably mixing. Nearly everything UNDER the water would die.

5) There's simply not enough space on the ark. Even if Noah only took two of every unclean animal, seven of the clean, and cut out all the variation and stuck to the bare minimum so that "micro evolution" could do its thing, guess what? There's still not enough room in the big wooden box for all of them.

6) Speaking of tight squeezes, let's talk about food and water. The largest animals ALONE eat several hundred tons of food in a year per individual. If there's not enough room on the ark for the animals, there's DEFINITELY no room for the food. And what about the water? Sure it's only gonna rain for forty days, but the flood itself is gonna last a whole year, so what the hell is Noah gonna do about water for the next 325 days?

7) Let's assume everything on the boat survives, though. What then? There's no plant life left for the herbivores to eat- guess what? Land-based plants don't do so well under thirty thousand feet of water- and the carnivores will inevitably eat them into oblivion, thereby killing their own species' as well.

8) Now let's talk about genetic variation. Two individuals- hell, SEVEN individuals- isn't nearly enough to propagate an entire species. Bare minimum for proper genetic diversity in a species is 50 individuals. With only two or seven, you're gonna get a LOT of inbreeding. And with that much inbreeding going on, there's going to be a LOT of genetic defects going on, which will eventually kill the species anyway.

9) And finally, the pièce de résistance, the biggest quesiton: How the fake hell did the animals get TO the ark AND back to where they lived without drowning in the oceans, dying of exhaustion (or becoming so exhausted that they drowned), or just straight up getting killed by something, all without leaving any evidence that they went anywhere?

1) The story itself was plagiarized from earlier myths. Gilgamesh, anyone? The following 2 paragraphs are straight from that article http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?article=5194 While the similarities between Gilgamesh and the account of the Flood in Genesis are striking, there are vast differences that the Genesis-copied-Gilgamesh theory does not adequately explain. Why are the number of decks and the dimensions of the Ark different? How does Utnapishtim finish such a massive boat in so brief a time? Why such a large difference in the two accounts between how long the flood lasted (in the Bible Noah and his family don’t exit the Ark for a year, while Utnapishtim seems to spend only two weeks or a little more on the cubical boat). Why doesn’t the Genesis account include the swallow? Why does Gilgamesh say that one of the gods is unaware of the survivors?

The skeptic who insists that Genesis plagiarized Gilgamesh is then obligated to account for the various and serious differences. Once it is admitted, and it must be, that the Genesis account had some other source than Gilgamesh for those differences (i.e. God), then it must be conceded that the Genesis account could also have gotten all the details from that source, including the ones that are similar to the Babylonian poem. How do you account for these differences? Historically it makes no sense that Gilgamesh is the source if there are so many differences. This isn’t the difference between a story in Matthew and a story from Marks point of view…but a difference between the origin of the flying spaghetti god and the actual God of the bible. Genesis wasn’t the first written book in all of history, so if there was a world wide flood you would expect other cultures to have the same flood story ,but with differences since they didn’t have the same source. Note “There are over 200 flood legends in different cultures all over the world”

Here’s another article that goes into detail on the Gilgamesh vs. the bible http://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/ 2) There is not enough water ON OR IN this planet in ANY form for it to have happened. The only way for God to flood the entire planet such that it covered the highest mountain- which, by the way, is Mount friggin' Everest at approx. 8,850 meters (29,035 feet) above sea level- is if he magicked it into existence, and then magicked it out of existence when he was done.

Tl/dr this is an incorrect assumption that the pre flood topography is the same as now. Also, there are marine fossils on every mountain, including Everest. If there was a worldwide flood, much of the worlds topography would have changed since.
http://www.icr.org/article/did-noahs-flood-cover-himalayan-mountains/ Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day. http://creationtoday.org/where-did-the-water-come-from-to-flood-the-earth/ 3) Speaking of Everest, the tip of that thing is so high up, that if God really did flood the planet about twenty feet above that, Almost everything on the ark would freeze to death. Anything that didn't freeze would die of exhaustion and/or suffocation because of reduced air pressure lowering the amount of available oxygen by about 33%. Pre flood topography, different see point #2. Nothing would freeze to death.
4) Let's talk about that water now. That much water will cause massive changes to water pressure, light filtration, the temperature of the water, and don't even get me started on salt and fresh water inevitably mixing. Nearly everything UNDER the water would die. 95% of all fossils are fish. Most fish did die…but read this:

http://www.icr.org/article/fish-flood/

In the complex of events and conditions that made up the Flood, certainly there were pockets of fresh water at any one time. Remember, it was raining in torrents, and we can expect that the rain water was fairly fresh. Many studies have shown that waters of various temperatures, chemistries, and sediment loads do not tend to mix; they tend to remain segregated in zones. It would be unlikely for any one area to retain such zones for very long during the tumult of the Flood, but on a worldwide scale, some such segregated zones would have existed at any given time. Some fish lived due to these segregated zones.

5) There's simply not enough space on the ark. Even if Noah only took two of every unclean animal, seven of the clean, and cut out all the variation and stuck to the bare minimum so that "micro evolution" could do its thing, guess what? There's still not enough room in the big wooden box for all of them. There was plenty of room, you should research it…start here: https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/how-could-noah-fit-the-animals-on-the-ark-and-care-for-them/ Was every species on the ark? No! From chapters such as Leviticus 11, it is obvious that the created kind (min in Hebrew, in Genesis 1:11–12, 21, 24–25) was a much broader category than the modern term of classification, species. Current baraminological2 research suggests that the created kind most closely corresponded to the family level in current taxonomy. However, to be conservative in this study, the genus was set as equivalent to the original created kind. As for the clean animals that entered the ark in seven pairs, this added a modest number of additional animals, notably bovids (cow-like mammals) and cervids (deer-like mammals). Under these conservative assumptions, there were no more than 16,000 land animals and birds on the ark.

5) There's simply not enough space on the ark. Even if Noah only took two of every unclean animal, seven of the clean, and cut out all the variation and stuck to the bare minimum so that "micro evolution" could do its thing, guess what? There's still not enough room in the big wooden box for all of them. There was plenty of room, you should research it…start here: https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/how-could-noah-fit-the-animals-on-the-ark-and-care-for-them/ Was every species on the ark? No! From chapters such as Leviticus 11, it is obvious that the created kind (min in Hebrew, in Genesis 1:11–12, 21, 24–25) was a much broader category than the modern term of classification, species. Current baraminological2 research suggests that the created kind most closely corresponded to the family level in current taxonomy. However, to be conservative in this study, the genus was set as equivalent to the original created kind. As for the clean animals that entered the ark in seven pairs, this added a modest number of additional animals, notably bovids (cow-like mammals) and cervids (deer-like mammals). Under these conservative assumptions, there were no more than 16,000 land animals and birds on the ark.

According to the Bible, the ark had three decks (floors). It is not difficult to show that there was plenty of room for 16,000 animals 6) Speaking of tight squeezes, let's talk about food and water. The largest animals ALONE eat several hundred tons of food in a year per individual. If there's not enough room on the ark for the animals, there's DEFINITELY no room for the food. And what about the water? Sure it's only gonna rain for forty days, but the flood itself is gonna last a whole year, so what the hell is Noah gonna do about water for the next 325 days? From the same source: https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/how-could-noah-fit-the-animals-on-the-ark-and-care-for-them/ We must distinguish between the long-term care required for animals kept in zoos and the temporary, emergency care required on the ark. The animals’ comfort and healthy appearance were not essential for emergency survival during one stressful year, where survival was the primary goal. Studies of non-mechanized animal care indicate that eight people could have fed and watered 16,000 creatures. The key is to avoid unnecessary walking around. As the old adage says, “Don’t work harder, work smarter.” Therefore, Noah probably stored the food and water near each animal. Even better, drinking water could have been piped into troughs, just as the Chinese have used bamboo pipes for this purpose for thousands of years. The use of some sort of self-feeders, as is commonly done for birds, would have been relatively easy and probably essential. Animals that required special care or diets were uncommon and should not have needed an inordinate amount of time from the handlers. Even animals with the most specialized diets in nature could have been switched to readily sustainable substitute diets.

7) Let's assume everything on the boat survives, though. What then? There's no plant life left for the herbivores to eat- guess what? Land-based plants don't do so well under thirty thousand feet of water- and the carnivores will inevitably eat them into oblivion, thereby killing their own species' as well. When do you assume they ran out of food on the ark? Where in the story does it say they ran out? They had enough for 1 year at least…and even if they were running out…as the land dried they were still in the ark…and left when there was dry land. Therefore, the sun and soil could definitely sprouted plantlife when drying.
http://b4answers.blogspot.com/2013/05/after-flood-how-did-animals-from-noahs.html Plants: Noah, his family, and the animals remained in the Ark for about 7 ½ months as the land dried (and as the plants grew) until God instructed him to leave the Ark. There was an Olive that had sprouted into leaf before they left the ark (8:11) and certainly the grasses grow even more rapidly having quite a head start in that warm sun and soft soil. It should also be noted that the soil would have had many water-borne nutrients deposited in it as a result of the flood. I can testify to how tall the grass in my neighbor’s backyard grew after 7 ½ months of not being mowed, even despite the bad soil! 8) Now let's talk about genetic variation. Two individuals- hell, SEVEN individuals- isn't nearly enough to propagate an entire species. Bare minimum for proper genetic diversity in a species is 50 individuals. With only two or seven, you're gonna get a LOT of inbreeding. And with that much inbreeding going on, there's going to be a LOT of genetic defects going on, which will eventually kill the species anyway. There’s enough time, for humanity….easily: http://creation.com/where-are-all-the-people It is relatively easy to calculate the growth rate needed to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, after the Flood. With the Flood at about 4,500 years ago, it needs less than 0.5% per year growth.6 That’s not very much. The first people on earth…the first man and woman…they had kids…who did those kids procreate with? Themselves. How else did man or any other animal procreate.

This article may also help with the other obvious questions: http://creation.com/noah-and-genetics 9) And finally, the pièce de résistance, the biggest quesiton: How the fake hell did the animals get TO the ark AND back to where they lived without drowning in the oceans, dying of exhaustion (or becoming so exhausted that they drowned), or just straight up getting killed by something, all without leaving any evidence that they went anywhere? As far as coming to the Ark, that’s a ‘God did it’ answer:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c006.html Skeptics paint a picture of Noah going to countries remote from the Middle East to gather animals such as kangaroos and koalas from Australia, and kiwis from New Zealand. However, the Bible states that the animals came to Noah; he did not have to round them up (Genesis 6:20). God apparently caused the animals to come to Noah. The Bible does not state how this was done.

Read more at: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c006.html The waters receded…there were probably land bridges to Australia ( the furthest place from mt. Ararat) I don’t know specificially for every animal..but read http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c006.html

1) A plagiarism doesn't have to be an exact copy. Stories, myths, legends, religions, and even languages evolve all the time as information is added, removed, or changed. Do try again.

2) Mount Everest is 250 million years old. If God wanted to go twenty feet above the highest mountain top, he would have to go above Everest. Also, the marine fossils argument incorrectly assumes that there is no other way those fossils could have gotten up those mountains. For instance, what if those fossils were already in the ground when the mountains were formed? That would certainly explain how they got up there.

3) Point still stands as strong and high as Everest.

4) Chemical mixing of various water types might not happen as often as I thought, I'll grant you that, but this fails to account for everything else that I listed, such as light filtration and water pressure. With enough water to cover even Mount Everest, I'm not even sure the Cloverfield monster could survive the bottom of the ocean under that much pressure, and a lot of us are sure it survived that vacuum bomb at the end of the movie.

5) Okay, first, there are no "kinds." "Kind" is a term that is intentionally left vague so that Ken Ham and his ilk can change its definition whenever and however they see fit during debates like this. If you could scientifically define the word "kind," even then this argument would only show that Ham knows evolution is a fact.

But let's go ahead and say that the ark was big enough for 16K land animals and birds. Does this include insects? Arachnids? Slugs? Snails? Parasitic organisms like tape worms? What about microscopic diseases? I mean, obviously there's room for them, but how does everything on the ark not die from these things?

And what about the food and water? Noah and his family would have to store enough food and water on the ark for every single one of those animals and for themselves for an entire year. When you take that into account, there's still not enough room in the ark. The only way this could have worked is if the thing were TARDIS.

And you still have to answer the question of what the animals are going to do about food AFTER the flood has subsided, since literally all land-based plant life will have died. The herbivores will have nothing to eat, and the carnivores will quickly drive their prey, and by extension themselves, to extinction.

I feel confident i answered what you asked with a sound explanation. You are assuming things just like my scientists i refer to assume things. I think ebery question is answered by the phds in those articles and the biblical account of the flood.

You asked, i answered, i didnt see anything wrong with my responses, you did....but i dont see any real challenging question.

You dont seem to have the answers you want. Why not just ask on the icr website or go to a conference if you arent happy with my responses?

You used creation science sources which are inherently biased and flawed. I guarantee that if you went to r/atheism and asked what was wrong with the sites you provided, they would give you actual answers after they got the snarkiness out of their systems.

These guys you are quoting don't have actual degrees in any relevant scientific field. They have degrees in Truthology from Christian Tech.

Why do you think they dont have degrees in scientific fields?

If they did, they'd know what they're talking about. They wouldn't be saying things like, "Evolution doesn't happen, except the way we think it happens, which is however we want to say it happened so long as we don't have to face the reality that we're apes."

They'd stop using the term "kind." It's unscientific because it is undefined, and left intentionally vague.

They'd consider the possibility that they are wrong.

They would look at the evidence and draw conclusions from that instead of starting with conclusions and looking for supporting evidence.

So, none of the sources have degrees?

Not degrees that are worth anything the scientific community or the world at large.

Yes. Great questions...gimme a week. I have answers to most in my head but need to research some. If you go to the museum...all would be answered though.

I actually JUST thought of another item: The shit, man. What's eight people gonna do about THAT MUCH animal waste for a whole year if the only way they're gonna fit that many animals onto the ark, given its dimensions in the Bible, is if it was magical or a TARDIS?

In case you don't recognize the term, TARDIS stands for "Time And Relative Dimensions In Space." It's a type of ship in the popular British sci-fi series "Doctor Who" that can travel through space and time. It's literally bigger on the inside, too, but that's because it's basically an alternate dimension.

Keep em coming.....i have no clue on at least 3 of your questions right now by the way....but im eager to figure out the science behind it. You will give me great ammo for the next person that asks me these questions. By the way...is a week fair? Its the weekend right now and i dont plan on researching until monday.....after work or on lunchbreak....so it shoukd take me a few lunches to find what im looking for...you can wait a week right...lets say next saturday by 6 eastern standard time....if i dont answer consider the bible completely false...fair? Or is a week too long?

Nah, that's everything. But the number of animals on the arc would be several million, at least, even with only the bare minimum for biodiversity and future speciation. Hell, the insects ALONE would number about two million.

God magic, breh. Youre talking about the big honcho here. Besides, he works in mysterious ways so watch out for lightning. Done.

And therein lies the rub. If God could just magic the whole thing into working, why not go for a simpler solution? Magic out the lungs of everyone that was evil. Magical lung removal for everyone!

Or, better yet, why not just go back in time and inform Adam of EXACTLY what will happen if he eats from the tree of knowledge instead of that half-assed "You will die" BS? In my opinion, a half-truth is the WORST kind of lie. That's right, God LIED. If God really wanted Adam's choice to be a free one, he would've created him with a sense of right and wrong beforehand, and he wouldn't have been a manipulative dick.

If god did what you propose, then how would he be entertained? If god didnt weave these crazy plots then...listen I cant do this anymore. I agree with you. Abrahamaic religions are just a pile of primitive bullshit believers.

Yeah, I kinda figured you were just playing Devil's advocate (irony!).

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I am giving a detailed response next friday...

Just say "god magic", or "god works in mysterious ways" and declare yourself the winner. Dont want to break old christian habits, do we?

The christian way is to go and prove by the scriptures and use what the culture thinks and turn it on its head. 17: 16-34

Regurgitating bible verses or loony biblical interpretations doesnt count as proof, tbh.

Now on the seventh day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. —2 Kings 25:8

Now on the tenth day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the bodyguard, [a]who was in the service of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. —Jeremiah 52:12

The bible literally contradicts itself.

Here's a better one:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. —Ephesians 2:8,9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. —James 2:24

Here's another one:

Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. —2Kings 24:8

Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord —2 Chronicles 36:9

I am going to answer the ark question first in detail...your questions are simpl5e but i dont remember the answer....i researched every 'contradiction' in. 2001 but dont remember everything. These dont seem like new questions. I can answer answer if you still have these questions in 10 days...just ping me

Before clicking...do you know when evolution began? How did non life become life?

Do you know what is the endpoint of evolution? Have you reaearched erasmus darwin?

https://youtu.be/n-4Gs4PlJu0

Actual evolution has never been observed. It always will be a theory...that people use abiogenesis as a copout to not say what the beginning is...and who never think about what the end is.

we see micro-evolution everywhere. if you believe micro-evolution exists, arent you admitting macro-evolution is at least possible?

We see adaptation, we have never seen evolution. It is a theory.

Ahh, the classic "herp derp it says 'theory'" argument.

My friend, I'm going to be blunt with you. I mean no offense when I say this, and only wish to help you.

You're a willful idiot. You know nothing of evolution or how it works, and you like it that way.

If you wish to eradicate your ignorance- goodness knows we all would- then please visit r/evolution and start asking questions. I suggest asking for examples of speciation.

That's part of what evolution is. Adaption over long periods of time.

Actually it was observed in a lab setting where bacteria developed antibiotic resistance.

Show me this research.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/06/11/527201/-Major-evolution-observed-in-a-lab

https://answersingenesis.org/genetics/mutations/hijacking-good-science-lenskis-bacteria-support-creation/

More https://answersingenesis.org/genetics/mutations/a-poke-in-the-eye/

Seems like its a faulty conclusion

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Facts are facts though. If bin laden said the bible has great evidence and mother theresa said it has great evidence....neither are wrong. And arguably the greatest scientific mind was Newton, who was a hardcore christian...so lets not act like science and religion cant exist together.

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My faith in the bible is based on evidence. I belive in Newtons 2nd law. I believe that without supernatural forces, nothing will always be nothing.

I believe that there are enough historical texts thst prove the bible to be real. I believe that combined with prophies that came through and archaeological evidence that the bible being real is the biggest conspiracy there is.

Its no wonder that when u uncover politics...you find molech worship. When u uncover freemasonry....baal or satan worship....the...e.u and the u.n....the same.. ..its all from the same paganism that is in the bible.

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Im talking the bible...not catholicism....catholicism is paganism....molech and baal worship...so you bring up what some catholic did is meaningless to the bible.

And i believe the bible has proven its accuracy. I believe noahs ark 100%, but i havent studied it enough to argue it. It just seemed true.

Your links won't work for me for some reason. Why is it a faulty conclusion?

Try in another browser. Im using chrome

Actual evolution is when your pet rabbit has four babies in the wintertime and the one with brown fur gets eaten by a cougar. The remaining three are much more likely to have babies with white fur.

And yes, that has been observed.

Abiogenesis has not been observed and probably can't be. My bet is on panspermia.

However, insofar as conspiracies overlap with religious concepts of angels and demons, I think... yea, there seems to be something religious going on there.

Abiogenesis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

Yes, changes to physical attributes have been observed but not changes in species. For example, your pet rabbit has four babies in the wintertime and one turns out to be a hamster - never happens. However, for the theory of evolution to be correct then cross species transformations would be taking place on a daily basis. Darwin himself denounced his own theory on his deathbed - his realization was that there was just too much perfect symbiosis for things not to have developed in unison (rather than at different paces as his theory suggested).

That never happens because that's not evolution, that's magic. Evolution does change species, but it takes a long time. Many thousands of generations.

A 20 year old aged scotch takes time, yet, we have bottles and bottles of the stuff. A new bottle comes out every day. The same can be said of century plants: takes 100 years but new ones are blooming every day. Just because evolution takes thousands of generations does not mean that at one point it will happen (i.e. cross-species conversion), and, given the number of species, it should be happening all the time (i.e. just like 20 year old spirits).

What? How can you not even have the most basic fundamental understanding of natural selection? It's been observed in white and black moth populations in coal towns during the industrial revolution.. the trees in the town got covered in black coal soot and all the white moths stood out against the black background and were eaten by birds so only the black moths survived. This happened for a few generations until there were no white moths left with the genetic code to breed more white moths. One or two will still pop up each generation due to random genetic mutation, and if the trees are ever white again, they are the ones that survive, so the white gene will be bred back in. Simple, get it?
It does happen all the time, it's a constant process within all populations of species, it's been observed. I don't understand why you would even think it's not happening all the time. Your points are frankly nonsense. Don't need no bullshit gods. Religion and magical thinking is a tool for powerful people to keep the unwashed masses under control, it's time to let it go.

Nobody said natural selection was fake. What you are arguing for, or attempting to at least, is for the theory of evolution. Now, this theory says we all started off as single cellular organisms and evolved from there. This simply does not happen. You do not see single cellular organisms becoming more complex over time. You do not see monkeys becoming humans. This would still be happening if this theory was correct. However, cross species conversion or the theory of evolution is false: shit simply does not happen.

I'm actually flabbergasted at how ignorant this post is. The entire fossil record is like a giant timeline of evolution. We can very definitively see how mammals evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from fish, etc. Funghi actually have more similarity to the animal kingdom because they separated a couple hundred million years after plants did. Whales still retain finger bones in their fins from when they were land mammals. Humans still have vestigial organs that were used to digest fibrous plant matter when we were monkeys.. I could literally go on ad infinitum because evolution is a ubiquitous, constant process that is inextricably linked to biological life.

To hold your viewpoint is to simply have a complete lack of understanding of science and nature.

The entire fossil record is like a giant timeline of evolution

Uh, nope...

Dude, you are embarrassingly ignorant.

EDIT: Darwin himself said the Theory was bullshit

[citation needed]

Edit: So, when called on your bullshit statement, you edit it out. How pathetically juvenile, /u/Trendamony!

Thats adaptation.

Actual evolution is a fish turning into a human, while another fish turned into a human at the exact same time...but if the opposite sex.

No, that's not evolution, that's magic and it doesn't happen.

What does happen, over millions of years, is the fish starts crawling out of the water on its fins to catch insects on the beach, each generation having some tiny survival advantage for doing this, passing on those genes and reinforcing that adaptation (evolution). Those fins are slowly transforming over thousands of generations into little legs. One day, one descendent is not a fish anymore and doesn't go back in the water.

Fish to catch insects? Wait...wait...wait.....what is the beginning of evolution again? I thought it was only fish or water creatures at first and there were no land animals. Did it start on land or in water?

How about this, can you concisely write out the evolution of man. I dont care about time periods...just something simple like the following:

Firrst was nonlife and that evolved into __, and they evolved into _, and they evolved into ___, and they evolved into man.

Keep in mind for evolution to work both a male and female has to evolve at the same time in the same area and they have to find each other and copulate.

I would loooooovve to see your response.

Evolution works slowly. It is adaptation over many thousands of generations that produce substantial change. the difference between a chiwawa and a German Shepard is one of adaptation. The genetic differences between one generation and the next are slight, insignificant. They are small natural variances that become amplified through advantageous adaptation. Both the male and the female of each generation are within standard statistical deviations from average. So are the children. It's just that certain attributes carry reproductive advantages for the entire species in whatever reproductive niche they are found in and that vectors the transmission of those advantageous genes over many generations towards adaptations that may eventually result is significant morphological change.

This is the correct answer. He keeps reducing everything to "well that's just adaptation." But consistent adaptation over time through successive generations ultimately resulting in significant changes in the physical characteristics of an organism...is what my people refer to as "evolution."

Saying it takes a long time is a copout becsuse that means it cant be proven and no human will ever see it.

We see it all the time, but we don't live long enough to watch a thousand generations of change. However, we have the tools and the science to look at the genes of closely related species and understand the genetic pressures that ultimately resulted in speciation.

The real cop out is refusing to do the science and waving at magic instead.

I believe in God, my friend, but I also believe that this universe that we inhabit was infused with the beauty of physics by the hand of that creator. We don't need him to design a frog, and he doesn't have to do that. His design was even more profound and more elegant. He designed the physics, knowing the frog, and trillions of other beautiful things, would sprout like flowers from his creation.

It's a far more beautiful artwork when seen this way.

Peace.

First of all, we see it very clearly in the fossil record, carbon dated and everything.

Secondly, some organisms such as bacteria reproduce very quickly and we can and do create evolutionary changes in bacteria all the time. Superbugs such as MRSA and widespread antibiotic resistance are due to bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics.

Literally the only way you can have your viewpoint is by having a complete lack of understanding of how science works.

Also, the genetic similarities between homo sapiens and other homo species and apes is undeniable. Our relation to mammals and dozens of other species is proof of evolution.

Similarity is not proof.

I'd say DNA evidence is pretty accurate. They test drugs and shit on apes, monkeys, pigs and mice before humans for a reason.

Do you know what is the endpoint of evolution?

Technological singularity, intentional genetic manipulation, life without death, and a summoned/created tin god. Did I miss anything?

Becoming god is the endpoint

Speculation: We are all God. We tore ourselves apart in the beginning in order to experience all possibilities. I believe Darwin was right, but he wasn't able to understand things at a quantum mechanical level in his time. I'm not fond of the idea of centering the concept of life and creation on just animals and plants. Every single atom is a part of God, not every single animal and plant. Maybe I misunderstood though.

Right, via intentional genetic manipulation, made possible by the technological singularity, leading to "immortality" and thus created tin gods (not the Unmoved Mover God above all else).

I think we're on the same page.

That only applies to human beings. What of all other material? We're all made of the same thing.

Mormonism is also part of this satanic organization. Watch that series.

The angels fell from heaven at the same time the Tower of Babel was built? I don't think that's cohesive with the rest of your comment.

Re read. Its like me saying facebook was around since 2004 and its founder has been around since 1982.

The founder was in the garden and there when the angels fell away..and the organization was around at the tower of babel.

The org started at the fall from heaven. It was made known to man either at the garden or at the tower of babel.

What is the name of this organization?

It has many names. Mormons...pagans....the world...roman catholicism...free masons...etc...its just a bunch of people who at the top worship satan or demons and lead others astray

https://m.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1edcm9/timeline_of_key_historical_events/

3760 B.C. - God creates the world and Adam and Eve.

Ok have a good weekend!

Try to look past the first point and look at the rest. You are not an expert on six thousands years ago history - so stop bein arrogant and close minded.

There are plenty of people who are experts on history far older than 6000 years. Hell, numerous Asian societies have existed for FAR longer.

Granted but this conversation is in regards to the western world. We knows bits and pieces at best.

Furthermore you are already claiming "The angels fell from heaven", which some people would say is a strange thing to say. Hence when you see something you disagree with in a historic time line maybe you shouldn't so quick to laugh.

You too have a good one friend

That made no sense whatsoever, unless you mistook me as a Christian and think I actually believe ANY of this. I was simply trying to give the OP a fair chance to explain himself.

Don't start Jesus shit that's disinformation. That's a machiavella tactic to keep the masses dumb distracted and obeisant exactly what this elite pedo team wants.

Sorry everyone else did tho

demonizing Satanism as the cause behind pedophile rings is the same as calling on people to worship Jesus. it's stupid and ignorant of the fact that these are just shitty people helping each other do shitty things without the command of some supposed spiritual entity.

There's a lot of fucking stupid in this thread.

Working on it! :)

I just can't accept all the biblical-angel-reincarnation stuff.

I like my conspiracy theories grounded. We have good information on pizzagate, clinton, and podesta. All the religious mysticism? No hard evidence, it just hurts us.

Exactly. Thank you.

If only I had a tinfoil hat company.

holy shit, zealots and imbeciles itt

Forgive me if it's already been mentioned, here. It's said that 9/11 is the greatest human sacrifice.

It was a big burned human sacrifice. It would be wrong to call it "the greatest." Many other human sacrifices were greater, Hiroshima comes to mind as only one example. WWII was another one.

I meant to say "greatest single Satanic human sacrifice"; as an intentional occult ritual. Not that I dispute that the others were such, as well; just that I haven't read enough about them to have an opinion.

It's the illuminati. Go ahead, keep making fun of this idea. We are right. And it's not good.

The greatest lie the Deceiver ever told was that he didn't exist.

If you believe your enemy doesn't exist. He's not more likely to affect you.

No Hitler. No Hitler. No Hitler.

– Huhhh, didn't seem to work so much for some people....

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I wish this were so, but history proves that to be false.

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Ah, then i agree wholeheartedly!

basically.

people like to pretend the deceiver doesnt exist....and they claim how open minded they are with their science and supposed facts....but well those of us that have ventured into the spiritual world....we know better....we know better.

Thats exactly what a schizophrenic would say about his hallucinations.

I ventured into my spiritual world and came to the conclusion yours was fake but mine wasnt.

How do we settle this?

rock paper scissors?

But seriously how do you back up anything you said with facts and not fantasies?

if you're being serious....then I will reply seriously. read on.

the biggest problem with modern science especially modern science is it is stuck in a pre-conceived notion of how things should be more or less and these things when it comes to God and spirits and whatnot....always come from a "they cannot possibly ever be real no matter what perspective".

evolution is very very anti-God for example. and I do not mean because it clashes with the created in 6 days or whatever other creation story you might have....I mean because it completely ignores the even slightest possibility in favor a God like being existing. going so far as to suppose that 4534534534 perfectly aligned coincidences occurred....you would have better odds in las vegas.

concerning things like hallucinations.....just because YOU can't see it....does that make them all fake? I've never personally seen a shark, yet i rely on the eye witness testimony of others who have seen sharks. the same thing with the earth being round....yet we have the same number of eye witnesses that verify there is a God and a spirit world....why do you value one over the other? you are selectively picking one over the other based on the aforementioned preconceived notion that there cannot be a God or spirits. the burden then falls on you to explain why the scientist's opinion trumps the priests opinion. Priests too have created countless documentaries and journals about exorcisms often following a similar methodology as science to make sure they are dealing with an actual demon.

i dont remember the name of this mental illness but there is one that is fairly well documented where people can see 5 feet above their bodies in some sort of weird trance or something. i forget the name of it. yet it is mental disorder in its classification and not a spiritual problem.

the earth is ripe with cultures that have no end of odd stories about spirits....are all these stories universally false? I mean that in and of itself is a bold claim.

take for instance the UFO phenomenon....in a court of law you only need a handful of witnesses to create a case against someone, yet we have millions upon millions of people claiming to have been abducted. same with witnesses to the spirit world or God or Christ or whoever else(for the sake of this argument here Im not specifiying anyone deity) and science tosses them out the window as false or hallucinations....yet in a court of law this would be a clear case that the spirit world does exist. if God was on trial with the case being do you really exist....God has countless witnesses in his favor.

what I am saying is, if you apply a common set of rules beyond just the scientific method....suddenly it becomes very plausible.

so you have two claims with vast amounts of research.....why do you universally toss out the religious claims so readily and easily?

skepticism is good....and i do not discourage questions....however i write this is posing questions to get you to open your mind a little bit and ask why you think the way you do.

since i cannot get a spirit to manifest directly in front of you nor do i have an overwhelming desire to even try to do that if i could.....but if you have interacted with the spirit world and angels and demons you know it is a very real thing. getting choked by an unseen hand or things levitating or other things happening that science claims is impossible....you realize that this is no joke.

if you want to find out about God....He has left His witness to many....the question is what will we do with that witness? you want to learn about God and spirits....you are going to have to research it with a completely open mind a broken and contrite spirit if you will....not coming in with a preconceived notion.

yes some of us are liars....it is true....but are we all lying about this? are all 100 million of us or whatever telling the same lie for the LOLz?

if you want proof of what is actually in the rabbit hole....you are going to have to actually go down the rabbit hole. until you are ready for that....there are no end to journals and documentaries and eye witnesses on the matter. same thing with scientific theories.

Your analogies make no sense. You havnt seen sharks, or a round earth....but you could. Theres no possible way for me to see your god.

Do you believe in imaginary friends because thousands of little kids do? According to your theory, since they believed they are real, they are!

So are imaginary friends real or not?

point utterly missed.

good job.

Saying "point utterly missed" doesnt make anything you said true, actually since you dont have any sort of evidence for anything you said and just acted like im stupid really, REALLY makes your claims even more unbelievable.

So you never answered my question, are imaginary friends real?

you missed the point is completely valid when someone misses it

if i say yes they are real you will blast me as crazy because imaginary friends must be imaginary.

if i say no, then and only then will you have read what i wrote and call me a liar and a hypocrite and attempt to use my own words against me.

this is obvious as you have pigeon holed the entire conservation onto one question and have a predetermined response depending on what i say.

i will ask you why are you so against spirits existing? what bothers you about their potential existence? like the atom, we never knew it existed until recently but when viewed correctly suddenly atoms are a very real thing. spirits could be like that.

Hit the nail on the head w this one. Ive been niticing this for a long time now.

U forgot oaklahoma

What is the theory? I'm very new to this subreddit, and I don't really know where to start when it comes to alternate universes, ETs, and secret organizations.

The theory is that basically somewhere far in the history of 'civilised' humanity some people came together with the intent to control and mold society for the good of themselves [some say for the good of all, but that's subjective in itself]. They go by many names. Some evidence points interesting places, some is utter bullshit, some is classic misdirection. Nothing has been proven, but groups like bilderberg certainly raise eyebrows, and with past events and learning from our history, there's much reason to be suspicious. But skepticism is important as well. Most of the stuff people are saying in this thread is pretty much 100% bullshit. Do your own research, think RATIONALLY, and question EVERYTHING. Come to your own hypotheses, and discuss them with others. That's how we learn and solve problems. Best to you.

I like your mentality! :)

Passing my opinion over with the 'satanic' agenda in mind. It does seem a giant fuck you to God, to be doing such things to what you could consider 'fresh souls'. Like its probably the most insulting thing you do, if God is the one in control and his fresh spawn are being molested D:

It's insulting and horrible either way. God probably doesn't exist (based on my learning and opinion) but that doesn't make it any less awful.

And thank you.

Thanks that helps a lot!

It's deeper than that, but you're on the right track, I'd say. pdf

I started reading Footlocker spam in Podesta's inbox... now I believe anything is possible.

If there was ever a downfall of the greatest conspiracy of human history, its that they don't know how to secure a fucking computer

Some do. Some don't.

It literally goes back to Atlantis and the "fall" wherein false gods and godesses and their followers rebelled and ended up destroying Atlantis and relocated to Babylon and then egypt, the Hebrew patriachs were actually pharoas who were apart of these satanic bloodlines and who wrote the bible to cover up history and the actual origin of "the fall". Lucifer is an actual being who was the main false God and who along with his mate "isis" has literally reincarnated over and over again with the help of his followers and genetically manipulated ET minions as osiris, zues, mithra, apollo, shiva, quetzleqoutle, and, of course yahweh. Lucifer is "jesus" who never existed as the bible says. Lucifer and Jesus are both referred to as the bright and morning star and have the same numerical gemotria...him and his mate have created much of this "world" which is really a holographic matrix into which we have incarnated to help end. And which is ending this year, as has been prophesied by many...this is it, the satanic masons and vatican, along with their "jewish" bankers are all part of these ancient bloodlines which are linked to Isis and Osiris. These false gods are losing power fast and are unable to stop the Destiny of all to return back to love and infinity

where can i read about this

Everything is connected. They are all Satanists. The actual ruling of this world comes from the Astral Dimension. Earth is actually controlled by THE ARCHONS..

Got any proof? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

The proof is in the ever expanding information coming out about the sick behavior that these world rulers have been engaged in for the past few thousand years. Plus all the ancient texts have the same story. It is a relatively new(100 years or so) idea that all these ancient texts are myth and to scoff at them. These demons feed off negative energy and death and they hate mankind since their fate is destruction and humans fate is living forever in perfection.

They are all Satanists. The actual ruling of this world comes from the Astral Dimension. Earth is actually controlled by THE ARCHONS..

Again, my question is, how did you personally arrive at this conclusion?

My uncle is huge into conspiracy theories. I text him today and told him to keep on ear to the pedophilia stuff that is gaining momentum. He said to me he's gone there decades ago and told me to start with JFK...

JFK? Could you ask him to elaborate? Thanks.

I haven't done the research myself but he told me that they have been stealing our children for a long time. These children are bred to insure the oligarchy can continue their agenda. He said that JFK have a speech on this subject...it's up to you and I to research if that speech really exists

It's just a branch of the mind control program.

No matter how long it's been around, we have to stop it.

So how do we do that?

The first rule of war is to know your enemy.

Fantastic, we've already compiling lists of names.

What then?

Who is on the list?

What's the second?

Don't knpw if I buy them being around for that long, but still. How long they've been around doesn't really matter. The fact that they exist is more than enough to cause concern.

I just want to point out one thing here. It's not "this same organization". Certainly, there is a relatively small group of families that have maintained power and wealth for hundreds of years and some of those families have been protected from prosecution in all kinds of heinous crimes. However, the biggest misunderstanding in all these conspiracies is the idea of the "illuminati" style NWO group that plot about how to take over the world and ruin your day (and yes I'm aware of Jekyll Island). It doesn't take intentional evil acts to perpetrate them. All it takes is a couple cops that look the other way, a couple politicians that take a few bribes, a couple lawyers that take clients they shouldn't and it can add up to some really fucked up shit. Now that it's been going on for so long, there are a lot of people involved and it looks like a giant web of criminals and crooked politicians, but I guarantee if you could read their mind, none of them would think of themselves as involved in a millennia old organization.

TL/DR; Despite all the History Channel shows about how terrible the Nazis were, the #1 deadliest weapon in causing the Holocaust was bureaucracy. The big evil organization is not required to commit the most horrible crimes in history anymore.

They used to communicate with letters sealed with baby blood. Now they send emails and have zero understanding of how the technology works.

I suspect when some people get rich and powerful enough that nothing in life gives them a rush, they participate in pedophilia. Are the elites that participate in pedophilia all satanic?

This has been one of those things I wish I could've unseen. It's too depressing

Who's to say they won't put a chip in his brain like they did to Hillary. You must be controlled or killed. Are we so blind to see that there is no free will? He looked sad on tv with Obama like he finally knows the truth. He is up against a world-wide cartel. They've already demonstrated their power. They take out anyone who gets in their way.

Or maybe they showed him secret footage of himself having fun in the Epstein plane and island. Bet that'd change his stance quick.

Naw, I heard that when Trump figured out he was a pedo he permanently banned him from his country club and severed ties with him.

So... Illuminati?

Big Red seems to have left them hanging.

The Federal Reserve is not as bad as people say it is.

It is a non-profit organization that hands over all of their earnings to the United States Treasury.

Everyone complains that a private entity is controlling and monitoring all of the money but wouldnt it be more fucked up if that company was a government agency? No one would agree with that.

Someone I know who works at the Fed explained to me what it is they really do.

He said,

"Ya know how in monopoly you pass go and get 200 dollars. Well, in one version of the game, that 200 dollars you receive when passing go is supposed to change as people buy properties and build houses and hotels. The economic department at the Fed are the people who determine exactly how much money people should get when passing go and change that amount according to the current financial circumstances of the whole."

Pretty much - check out the Franklin Cover-Up

These guys have been watching too much Walker Texas Ranger.

no shit. they're called jews.

Yeah it's called JUDAISM

The Ashkenazi Jews might be involved as a race but you gotta leave Judaism aside.

Why? It's the playbook. It's the source of the conspiracy and holds them all together through time

I believe in Moses and Aaron as prophets of God. The religion they revealed to the sons of Israel is innocent but things like the talmud (human interpretation of the Torah that's being taken for granted now) is where controversial things are mentioned.

I'm telling you: Flat Earth is part of this.

IF Flat Earth Theory is true then it absolutely is related to the 'ruling elite' regardless of whether they are a satanic pedophile cult

this

too bad you'll find r/conspiracy is loaded with masons, jesuits, and every other form of ss to distort and argue away from any reasonable discussion on the matter.

i recently saw a thing about a half dome earth... also was thinking that gravity could be energetically/electrically derived... i dunno, a lot of things are possible really. I just heard a radio announcement about Christopher Lloyd doingnsome shit, and it reminded me that I come from a dimension where he died and it was Berestein.

a lot of things are possible really.

I really wish more people would accept this. It seems those who don't are either too fragile to accept that they've been lied too yet again or they are working from the inside to distort perception away from the truth (as NASA and everyone in power is doing as well).

Nope...flat earth is a distraction. The bible said the earth is round 5000 years ago when all science said it was flat..therefore ita round.

Quite the contrary. The bible does not say we live on a ball.

Yeah I'm not a hardcore bible believer but I do know it describes the flat earth and the firmament. That's not my reason for believing in flat earth though. And I'm not sure what to think about the existence of a dome.

I'm inclined to think that it doesn't matter whether the Earth is flat- we're up against some people on it.

If Earth is flat, are other planets and the stars flat?

Written in 700 bc, when many said the earth was flat.

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/40-22.htm

I see multiple entries claiming a disk or circle, not a globe.

Read http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

Nope, that's called a stretch. And Christians love to reinterpret verses to fit their needs. They called it a circle and disk.

So when i tell my son the earth is round or a circle...am i wrong?

You're ignoring a few thousand years of language differences, but yeah, that's wrong. It's an oblate spheroid. Again, yeah, you can stretch the interpretation to fit the need.

Im not ignoring anything. They found copies on different copies at different time periods...they say the same thing. The bible is not like a game of telephone where something gets lost.

The bible is a game of telephone where at the very least you can ask the 2nd person who heard the story. Its literally astounding how it has held up in time compared to any historical ancient documents...from homer to knowledge of alexander the great to knowledge of ceasar...the bible got them all beat.

I never needed to know that the earth was an oblate spheroid. I was never taught that in school and you are the first person i have ever seen write that. I was told the earth is round by my non secular public school. I dont think they are wrong.

I'm sorry you attended such a school.

A circle is flat 2d, a sphere is what youre looking for.

coming on this subreddit always scares me

i'm gonna have nightmares, i wish y'all wouldn't talk like this stuff

i was just going to bed too. i really need to filter this sub out or something

i'm just imagining lizard aliens now. why do you scare me??

exactly, if you wanted to teach quantum theory to a largely uneducated group of people and have it be relatable, you aren't going to start with equations and technical terms. you would try to compare it to something that they are familiar with such as the relationship between father and son

Great sub should be sidebar but the mods are gatekeeping.

The one and only.

Yep. The Matrix is a great analogy to what our current situation is... Also, the Wachowski's have gotten eerily close to great truths in several of their films. Cloud Atlas is a fairly accurate depiction of reincarnation, even Jupiter Ascending has 'some' accuracy, but it's all thrown in a blender and obviously doesn't work that well as a film.

Free will is one of those things you think you want until you get it

Don't forget, the one who has been referenced multiple times in wikileaks emails.

The same Moloch that Hillary a Hillary contact sacrificed a chicken to.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30489

You should read about how Lot in the Bible let his daughters be raped by his neighbors, or how Noah tried to fuck his daughters. The shit people fucking believe in the Bible man, it's fucking digusting.

Seems like a lot of t_d posters are banking hard on it.

To be honest, I'm starting to worry it's a CTR-like effort to discredit the people going after this, who think it'll be a cause for taking down Clinton. I've been seeing a lot of vote inflation on posts and comments that hardly even make sense.

The parent comment says this has happened before, which makes me even more nervous. I don't want an excuse to appear for Trump to not be held to the Clinton investigation.

In the story true free will was actually lost.

You sound like isis.

Vancouver does suck and it will get worse before it gets better, did you see the new 10k tax on empty property.

Pentagram is nothing other than satanic. So is baal, baphomet, molech and Ishtar. They co-opted Christianity to create a satanic Catholicism which then destroyed European "paganism" which wasn't satanic (didn't sacrifice children, didn't hate the beauty of the image of God in people)

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In the film you could be unplugged, then hooked to a machine and shown the matrix. That's called proof. What these people here offer is heresay and a holier than thou attitude if you dont swallow their unsubstantiated bs.

It's not moloch at bohemian grove. The owl is a representation of goddess worship.

Don't know what version of that story you read, but humans were created with free will. Satan just presented them a choice.

If humans weren't created with free will, then Eve wouldn't have even been able to eat the apple in the first place. Satan isn't an all powerful antithesis to God in that book, so he can't "give" things to humans of his own accord.

But that's not Moloch at the Grove. Moloch is a bull...

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I would like to preface this with a disclaimer that I am in no way an expert but the occult and its teachings are something that I truly enjoy and I have dedicated my life to the study of it. With that being said I try to show people what I have learned because there seems to be an overwhelming stigma and fear attached to occult teachings casting them off as "satantic" and "evil" which is simply not the case. Like any great knowledge it can be wielded to enslave you or used as a great gift to set you free. The more you know about these teachings the more you can stand in confidence when those who wish to keep you enslaved in fear try to use them to your detriment. Unveil these hidden truths and inspire an apocalypse of the soul and you too can awaken the Christ within. After all occult simply means hidden.

Essentially both these symbols are used in whats called "ceremonial magic/magick" and Alchemy. Many, if not all, occult teachings contain the study of ceremonial magick and Alchemy. Whether it be Thelema, Wicca, The Qabbalah, Free Masonry, Rosicrucianism, Hindu mysticism or The Templars. I won't go into the process and practice of ceremonial magic here unless someone is interested.

The pentagram is an ancient symbol used in the magical arts by alchemists, magicians and sorcerers and signifies the five properties of the Great Magical Agent, The Great Astral Light, the five elements of nature, the five senses of man, and the five extremities of the human body. What we must keep in mind is that while this symbol itself is not evil it is the perversion of it that makes it left handed. When it is flipped on its head this symbol becomes to the magician or sorcerer a form of "black magic" and therefore a means of evil. In symbolism an inverted or distorted figure always means that it is being misused. To the adept of the dark arts an inverted pentagram is called the "sign of the cloven hoof". The upright star with its point turned down signifies the fall of the morning star. So be wary of anyone rocking this image. I can recall a time when I met someone with an inverted pentagram tattooed on his shoulder. I approached him and asked if he practiced magic. He had no idea what I was talking about. I pointed out the perverted symbol that donned his arm and he laughed casting it off as something he got on a whim to scare to people. Little did he know what dark spirits he was invoking by using this distorted image. I simply smiled, nodded and exclaimed he should look into it further.

Baphomet has an interesting history which can be dated back to the Templars. Many believed they worshiped this image as an idol but that is up for debate. Today we see it used by the self proclaimed "Satanic Temple" Take note of the pentagram in both representations. The latter is inverted. Again it is a symbol used to communicate certain truths about the visible and invisible universe which when understood can again be used for great evil or great good. We see in Baphomet a hermaphorditic humanoid with a goats head, wings and cloven feet. This type of hybrid imagery has been used by all ancient clutures and priest crafts whether it be the sphinx in the priestcraft of the Egyptians or the winged cherubs of Judeo Christianity. In the work titled "The Book Of Splendours" Elphas Levi explains Baphomets rather odd and bizarre appearance succinctly with this passage.

“[Baphomet] is a knowledge rising in opposition to idolatry, protesting though the very monstrosity of the idol. The Israelites were forbidden to give divine concepts the figure of a man or of any animal; thus, on the ark of the covenant and in the sanctuary, they dared sculpt only cherubs, that is, sphinxes with the bodies of bulls and the heads of men, eagles or lions. These mixed figures reproduced neither the complete form of any man, nor that of any animal. These hybrid creations of impossible animals gave to understand that the image was not an idol or reproduction of a living thing, but rather a character or representation of something having its existence in thought. Baphomet is not worshipped; it is God who is worshipped, this faceless God behind this formless form, this image which resembles no created being. Baphomet is not a God; He is the sign of initiation.” [5]

His right hand points to the white moon his left to the black. The dual nature of the astral light is also reflected in the alchemical formula “Solve et Coagula:” These two operations are represented by the words written on the arms of Baphomet: SOLVE, to dissolve, to project, to move; and COAGULA, to coagulate, to concentrate, to fix. The image has breasts and the caduceus rising from the groin which represents the union of opposites. The masculine and the feminine united in equilibrium. The progenitive caduceus being the ancient sign of genesis rising betwixt the life giving breasts where all who are born unto this human form succor for nourishment. The torch rising from the top of his head is the illuminated mind. The pineal gland fully awakened. The third eye opened and aware of the self peering deeply into the mystery of mysteries.

Do not fear these images and symbols my friends. Rather take and eat of the fruits of knowledge that the great serpent guards. It is your duty to rise from darks depths of ignorance and storm the gates of illumination saying "I've come home now!" Break the shackles that have enslaved you and you too can, as Morpheus said to Neo, "free your mind." The world is ruled by symbols. Understand them and you can rule your world.

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Yes. It is refreshing to read my thoughts and feelings on paper, written by someone else.

Same with music, paintings, or any other art.