Hitlers last years, probably the biggest question of the 20th century. Why do people not take the "conspiracy" seriously enough?
250 2016-11-13 by MC_Dickie
Evidence surfaced of a tunnel from the Fuhrers bunker to the subway, and from the subway to Tempelhof [airport]. We also have eye witness reports of a party of unmarked planes leaving that airport on the 21st of April 1945, one day after Hitler was last seen in public.
We actually have more evidence that attests to his escape than we do of his death, yet people blindly believe that he killed himself in the bunker, even though non of the witnesses saw Hitlers face, or were able to identify the body. The only confirmation was that there WAS a body but the only forensic human remains from the scene was a charred skull with a bullet hole, which we subsequently found via DNA testing in 2009, wasn't even a MALE skull.
So if the witness testimonies in and around the bunker that day were that only one shot was fired, so if the female skull had a bullet hole in it, at the very least Hitler didn't SHOOT himself, which questions the credibility of all of the witness testimonies.
I could go into detail about where Hitler went from getting inside a potential plane that day but I wont in this post even though there is mountains of evidence that suggests he did escape to Argentina along with many other Nazi officials, of which we have definitive proof of [such as Josef Mengele].
We have enough declassified FBI documents which state active attempts to search for Hitler years after his supposed death mostly in south America. That in itself is enough to believe Hitler did not die in the bunker that die. The documents aren't from random eye witnesses claiming to have seen Hitler, they are FBI/CIA officials, on missions to hunt Hitler down. Why would they spend resources to hunt down a dead man?
So my question is why don't people take it seriously enough? I find it's one of THE most plausible "conspiracies" around, yet the majority of people are just itching to cynically shut anything down, however credible it is, in favour of the story that Adolf Hitler killed himself in his Berlin Bunker. [Presumably because they can't stand the injustice of it, regardless of what is the truth or not].
105 comments
48 Truthplease5 2016-11-13
Some top scientists and officers fled to Argentina I've heard/read
50 perfect_pickles 2016-11-13
and to the USA with official blessing and tickets on govt planes or ships.
Operation Paperclip and others.
22 xhosSTylex 2016-11-13
They did, but what is rarely talked about is how The Soviet Union got the better German scientists after the war, hence their better rocket technology leading up to the space race.
1 Sjengo 2016-11-13
How did they?
6 heihuquan 2016-11-13
Don't forget the adjunct Operation Bloodstone as well, and Britain's version Operation Matchbox.
4 whorestolemywizardom 2016-11-13
Why were they so much more advanced than us? Better funding? Less restrictions? Seems like NASA wouldn't of gotten very far without them.
4 heihuquan 2016-11-13
I would say both and I look at the Third Reich as a central banker funded field experiment in fascism. Basically to see how far they could go with it, then analyse and advance the results minus any mistakes. They've certainly used every bit of that information in shaping foreign policy, establishing hegemony, and not to mention advances in control and manipulation of people's psyches.
They also incorporated this data to the development of atomic energy, genetics, intelligence, military weaponry and rocketry. There'd be no NASA nor CIA without the infusion of key Paperclip Nazis like Wehner von Braun and Reinhard Gehlen.
2 dom-91 2016-11-13
That's the question. It gets very hazy and the aliens and the manmade flying saucers and mountain research strongholds start being talked about. Why were the nazis so into the occult if they were so rational?
4 wmil 2016-11-13
But those were scientists, engineers, and technicians who could help the US advance its military technology. Hitler's major skill was giving rousing public speeches.
He was pretty much useless to every other government. Executing him to boost morale was the only thing he would have been good for.
I don't see any plausible motive for any other government to help him.
9 rubbermullet420 2016-11-13
Bushes Granddad helped Hitler rise to power.
7 kayjaylayray 2016-11-13
Hitler was a master of practical human psychology. He was also a very good strategic leader and coordinator. Yes he was the face of the Third Reich, but for a reason. He was a war hero and had courage and was fearless.
3 ronintetsuro 2016-11-13
Hitler was a patsy for the rich.
4 kayjaylayray 2016-11-13
In the end yes. In the beginning he was a German civil rights leader.
2 ronintetsuro 2016-11-13
Is that how he is remembered?
2 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
Hitler has just looted all of Western Europe. He had more gold and valuables than any other nation on Earth. He was the leader and still made the decisions. South American countries had Billions and Billions of reasons to be sympathetic to the Nazis.
45 KikiCVIII 2016-11-13
Not to change the subject, but it's like Bin Laden. No pictures, no autopsy, we just dumped his body at sea and that's it. People will believe what they want.
13 catsfive 2016-11-13
Bin Laden was so closely connected with the Bushes that I bet he has a "secret star" in the floor at the CIA.
2 flyonscreen 2016-11-13
What is a secret star?
18 catsfive 2016-11-13
In the entrance to the CIA in Langley (not the "Center for Intelligence" named after GHWB, who was only Director for ONE year), they have un-named stars on the floor for agents they cannot name, but who did their duty for the US banks.
3 flyonscreen 2016-11-13
Dude I had no idea thank you
1 catsfive 2016-11-13
I found this documentary where they are mentioned if you want to see them for yourself.
10 rubbermullet420 2016-11-13
yet we get pics of sadam, gaddafi ect , bin laden died in 2001
16 todo1740 2016-11-13
Definitely. I think I read 2002 to be exact. Do people not understand that:
1) He needed weekly dialysis and only had a couple of years left at the most. He did not get that treatment in a cave.
2) We dumped his body in the ocean. It truly scared me that people believe that.
44 Readthepatchnotespls 2016-11-13
Teacher laughed at me when I told them he did not commit suicide, and that the DNA of the skull was a female. Then refused to give any counter argument. That is when I started to hate school. lol
16 laikamonkey 2016-11-13
Unless you are studying in a university, where information is volatile and a tool to learn, then I wouldn't bother to correct the teacher.
High school and college teachers are mostly just stone statues with recorders on them, unmovable, haven't probably studied the subject they are teaching ever since they started teaching. Sometimes regurgitating pure stupidity.
Always doubt things, get your own answers. What you get from school should only be used as starter or complimentary information.
3 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2016-11-13
School is useful for learning functional information, like writing, language, mathematics, and the basics of the natural world. Everything else we're taught is hand-picked by the government as things they want their citizens to understand in order to be good citizens.
42 factsnotfeelings 2016-11-13
This is supposedly a picture of Hitler in Argentina after the war.
Whoever it is looks similar to him.
Lol, junglesurfer has theory that Hitler was actually a woman.
Maybe he travelled from Argentina to Antarctica. The Nazis supposedly believed in the hollow earth theory.
This is a translation of a letter sent by german explorers.
at the bottom it says: dear Old Comrade: 'the earth is hollow'
edit full article here
93 Komalt 2016-11-13
Did a little research on the first picture you submitted. Seems like a well done fake of a modified existing picture of him. See this.
23 sock_lover 2016-11-13
Nice catch.
22 highhandedturtle 2016-11-13
The extensive excavation and building done by the Nazis was INCREDIBLE in scale. Appeared that's where they planned on making their "last stand". The remaining bunkers are massive
16 BeckerLoR 2016-11-13
In Antarctica? Sorry, I'm somehow confused lol.
11 Dunkh 2016-11-13
Maybe that's the reason Biden went to Antarctica?
30 factsnotfeelings 2016-11-13
Yep. Antarctica is probably where the real space exploration goes on.
If aliens exist, then they will be found by going through the hole/portal in Antarctica.
3 zerton 2016-11-13
If they come from a cold planet it might make sense to go there.
12 hawksaber 2016-11-13
Biden? You mean Kerry. He went, and so did the Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church, along with the Russian navy earlier this year. Had to do with the discovery of the Ark of Gabriel.
8 cdollas250 2016-11-13
That link is garbage lol
-11 hawksaber 2016-11-13
And so are you! LOL!!!
8 Neill_889 2016-11-13
Hollow Earth probably just means there's gigantic caverns underneath the surface of the Earth.
It is said these exist under the ice of Antarctica as well.
After WWII Admiral Byrd was sent to Antarctica with a full naval war fleet and was defeated by an opponont that had flying saucer like craft that could go underwater and in the air.
6 LinkFixerBot 2016-11-13
source?
9 Neill_889 2016-11-13
Can't find what I said about underwater and having a saucer shape, but Byrd did publicly state there is an enemy at the South Pole whose technology is so advanced that the next world war will be fought with craft that can fly from pole to pole in a matter of minutes.
The Operation was called Highjump. Here some more info about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKRHYp5ugQ
3 DawnPendraig 2016-11-13
Ancient aliens or xfiles maybe =)
23 right-again 2016-11-13
It's too late to punish Hitler, but there are lots of war criminals living today and we all know them.
21 gavy101 2016-11-13
The whole Bush administration and all the PNAC signatories to name a few
22 hawksaber 2016-11-13
Don't forget that rat bastard Kissinger.
3 ronintetsuro 2016-11-13
Brzezinski
7 NMTommy 2016-11-13
If he was still alive it would most certainly not be too late to punish him. Earlier this year a 95 year old man was put on trial for his involvement. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/12/auschwitz-medic-ss-hubert-zafke-goes-on-trial-at-fourth-attempt
26 herpaderpistan 2016-11-13
I think that's his point. He was born in 1889. Over 127 years ago.
4 BeckerLoR 2016-11-13
FindKony2012 lul.
But yeah, its past his point. He's probably dead at this point.
1 ecclesiastes118 2016-11-13
There's no statute of limitations for murder, let alone genocide.
8 munchenhousen 2016-11-13
You'd be locking up a bunch of bones tho.
13 Sarcasticus 2016-11-13
If you're interested in Hitler's disappearance after the war, I'd recommend the book "Ratline" by Peter Levenda. There are various interviews with Levenda on YouTube which go into detail of his escape. (As well Joseph Farrell is a valuable resource.)
1 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
great sources! Levenda is the man on this subject. There are others but he's top 3 in the world without question.
10 Book8 2016-11-13
Okay so let's say Hitler escaped and live out his life. With some of the best Nazi hunters dedicating their lives to hunt these guys down...how could he have escaped their net?
9 aaava1 2016-11-13
You're kidding right? Do you have any idea how many Nazis escaped the clutches of both Mossad and the USA and Interpol? THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS.
It's not like Mossad or the CIA are some kind of monolithic perfect organizations, you know. They're as incompetent as any gov't org is.
If you read Ratline by Levenda or any of the books describing how the Nazis escaped and who helped, you wouldn't be asking this ridiculous question. When there are whole gov'ts helping a group disappear, it's easy to do so. All it takes is a passport and perhaps some plastic surgery. A number of plastic surgery clinics were uncovered in 'Ratline' and other books.
People try to use the same crazy argument for 'aliens'. It's very easy to keep secrets, if you have political power and money.
1 Book8 2016-11-13
Ya I was aware of that. The brains of the US rocket team was mostly Nazi's and I've read about the Russians and the US frantic efforts to grab as many German Scientists as possible. I also wonder if that was Speer in Spandau and I'm aware of the Nazi's "contributions" to the spy networks of the world.
The question was an attempt to get a discussion going on what it would take for him to walk free. You hit on it in your third paragraph. There is no way that was possible without massive help and cooperation by all involved.
8 The_Noble_Lie 2016-11-13
Yes with Bear Jew roaming the woods, I'm entirely sure Hitler would have been found somewhere hiding in this large Earth.
5 letter_of_resignatio 2016-11-13
Maybe he only lived 5 year. He was 56 at end of war and wartimes must have taken toll.
8 Book8 2016-11-13
Good point and the meth/cocaine habit probably didn't help. Do you think he might have had help?
5 trumpetspieler 2016-11-13
Good Lord I didn't even think of that, what if he escaped but without an ample supply of all his drugs? He probably did end up killing himself whenever his meth ran out.
3 humpi 2016-11-13
Because he and other top tier nazis became part of another propaganda apperatus.
1 doppelgaber 2016-11-13
He was officially dead. Most hunters were going after known living nazis. Why would they pursue a dead man?
4 TebowsHand 2016-11-13
Maybe they didn't believe the official story and had heard rumors.
10 perfect_pickles 2016-11-13
because it was poo pooed by the MSM, they told everybody it was a
'CONSPIRACY'
no matter that govt and NGO and hobby sleuths were investigating.
we should be asking why the govt propagandists aka the US/Zionist MSM was so keen on 'debunking' reality...
4 TouchMeHerePls 2016-11-13
Why you goddamn antisemitic bastard! /s
9 therealtruetrue 2016-11-13
Stalin is the real evil force in WW2. Hitler is not the Boogeyman we're taught; there is sufficient evidence to disprove the supposed mass extermination of Jews under Hitler's rule.
10 [deleted] 2016-11-13
Care to post your sources? I don't question it, I myself think the numbers are grossly exaggerated and I get the feeling it could just be another elaborate money-raising scheme by the Zionists (newspapers consistently cited the six million figure on several different occasions for different things from 1915-1938 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk), but I'd like to see what you have.
11 therealtruetrue 2016-11-13
David Cole in Auschwitz is a good one - https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=9fBBEUCNtmQ
He easily debunks the use of homocidal gas chambers.
Adolf Hitler, the greatest story never told - https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ACv9qLwkB_Q
Will make you question whether mass extermination was ever part of Hitler's plan.
Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany because they were infecting their society. Now look where we are. Jews came out of WW2 as the victims, get paid billions in reparations, and they push an evil agenda in Palestine and around the world.
3 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
It's hard to discuss this topic because people get so irrational. Germans were anal about record keeping and there are very little records that point to a mass extermination program. Then you review the 'gas chambers' and find de-lousing facilities and nothing more which was standard procedure in many countries around the world. Combined with the massive prisoner work program Germany used and the evidence against mass extermination is very compelling. Of course a forced labor program that didn't really want prisoners to live very long is much the same as mass extermination, but historical accuracy is important. Many countries have used prisoner labor camps and still do even today. Stalin's Russia being one of the absolute worst examples even dwarfing the Nazis program.
2 The_gray_ghost 2016-11-13
Even though this guy has obvious religious bias and beliefs, he does a pretty decent job at easily explaining how gassings never occurred and the Jews were strictly meant to be used as forced workers for the war effort. The ones that unfortunately did die were victims of disease and starvation from inadequate supplies later on in the war. https://youtu.be/QlBA2zp992c
8 SnarkyMcFartBlast 2016-11-13
Can you post some resources to dig deeper?
23 MC_Dickie 2016-11-13
In relation to the Subway Tunnel
By the way in regards to the subway tunnel, it wasn't just a GPR scan of a void in the wall, it correlated with GPS co-ordinates of another explored tunnel which was blocked off.
In regards to the skull remains
It's actually quite hard to find the information from credible websites, not because it isn't credible information, but because people don't see it as important they don't feel the need to publish it.
2 SnarkyMcFartBlast 2016-11-13
Thanks!
7 zotakul 2016-11-13
There is a whole series on the history channel called finding hitler. I guess you watched it? As a great grandson of a german immigrant that escape nazi germany after the fall. I think his suicide was necessary. If you think about it, at the time. Why not say he killed himself? And just completely break peoples spirit so they surrender easier. And i guess they never felt a point to tell the truth
3 The_gray_ghost 2016-11-13
Most "history" is just propaganda written by the victors. They wanted to further demoralize the German people so they wouldn't put up a fight while the Russians basically raped and killed everyone they found
1 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
http://www.history.ca/hunting-hitler/video/#hunting-hitler/video
1 MC_Dickie 2016-11-13
I did watch Hunting Hitler yes, and aside from the [at times cringeworthy] dramatization it's definitely worth pointing out that the leads they investigate and the evidence they provide stacks up as true, which obviously leads one to believe that all things considered, we have more evidence which suggests he survived and therefore THAT should be the default opinion.
7 TouchMeHerePls 2016-11-13
Why you goddamn antisemitic bastards! You must believe the goddamn script we gave you!
/s
7 xhosSTylex 2016-11-13
First, thanks for posting something around here other than US politics.
I've torn through books and everything that Netflix/(the old) History channel had to offer. I think he died shortly after the Russians surrounded Berlin. What happened to Mussolini's body prompted Hitler to take steps to avoid that. Like it or not, Hitler did love his country. In many ways, he really did think that he was righting a bunch of wrongs. Allowing his corpse to be abused and paraded around was not going to happen in his mind.
While Argentina was sympathetic towards the Nazi party and had a significant German community before/after the war, I simply don't think Hitler would've endured a very long journey on a sub, much less sneak through a maze of tunnels to an airport (with Russians about) just to get on a plane with a female pilot and narrowly escape his hunters.
He died in Berlin under no fan fare and his body will never be found. As he intended it. I see no possible way that the most notorious, most wanted man..perhaps in all modern history, could've remained hidden.
2 samplist 2016-11-13
Female pilot?
Fuck nicht!
4 xhosSTylex 2016-11-13
Germany's most famous, female test pilot Hanna Reitsch. She was held by Americans until after the war and questioned about Hitler's potential escape. I believe she died in the 60's or 70's.
1 rubbermullet420 2016-11-13
they found sadam in a drain
1 xhosSTylex 2016-11-13
It was even better when the military blew the shit out of the building his two sons were in. I would almost accept Hitler walking this earth than those two.
4 SlaphapyMcWigleNasty 2016-11-13
I've heard of the Argentina via submarine story. Some links would be great.
3 Temp1493 2016-11-13
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler
Read the first page couple pages at least
4 hawksaber 2016-11-13
Didn't they have radar back then? So if some "unmarked" planes took off from some airport wouldn't the Soviets or Allied Forces had the foresight to have spies nearby to determine whether there was any activity at the airport? Or better yet, wouldn't the Allies have taken over the airport first, so that they could cut-off any escape routes?
3 eroiguirh 2016-11-13
Paranoid as he was, Stalin swore Hitler escaped. I believe it. As you said, there is a lot of evidence suggesting that the US didn't accept the suicide answer. U-boats surfaced well after VE Day
One reason it is so subverted is due to it occurring in an era of disinformation. For those of us born in this era, we were cultured to believe it for years and Hitler is a unique villain so we are more willing to accept i because of how his history is politicized.
More importantly, Hitler, like Stalin was enabled by US banking interests that would go down with his ship and may have even facilitated his escape, incentivizing them to protest their interests hand in hand with his.
2 shitbric 2016-11-13
Because you are conspiracy theroist. They will never label someone a conspiracy realist because then that destroys the narritive that most conspiracy theroists are white Christian males thinking the government is out to get them.
2 microcosm315 2016-11-13
Seems like the bodiless boogeyman is a concept with history. No hitler body. No bin laden body.
2 NaoTapar 2016-11-13
No evidence of his death, as far as I know.
'His skull' ended up being a women's skull. Under scientific examination.
2 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
Don't agree with the OP's characterization of Hitler's last days in Berlin. There are direct witnesses that heard the gun shot that allegedly killed Hitler. Misch claims to have seen his dead body being rolled up and carried out here, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8234018.stm
Of course there are lots of reasons to believe this is a complete fabrication. Those remaining with Hitler in the last days were absolutely devout and would lie until their deathbed to protect him. There was no body identified ever and the Russians knew what they had wasn't Hitler, thus Stalin's immediate claims Hitler got away. The Nazis has a great escape route and thousands did use it successfully to escape.
I believe Hitler escaped and the Allies kept it hush hush so people wouldn't pressure their governments to track him down. He planned a fourth Reich for awhile but it wasn't possible and his support dwindled quickly. Died in S. America.
1 nor2030 2016-11-13
Check out Beevor's book "Fall of Berlin."
Back in the 90s, when the Soviet archives were fully accessible to Western researchers, he looked at the Soviet records.
As you may recall, it was the Soviet Red Army that conquered Berlin. American troops were far away at the time.
According to Soviet records, the Soviets found Hitler's body, and buried his skull under Red Square. Over the years, countless Soviet army troops marched and tanks rolled over his skull.
Let me put it to you this way. Nobody in Russia thinks Hitler survived the war.
5 The_gray_ghost 2016-11-13
Yeah, cuz Russia has never used any propaganda to try and manipulate millions of people before.
1 Volgaar 2016-11-13
FBI released the files of hitler two years ago. He lived in a villa at the foot of the Andes and was married to a black woman.
1 The_gray_ghost 2016-11-13
Not saying I don't believe you, but could you please provide us with some evidence?
1 Volgaar 2016-11-13
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler
1 NoelTrotsky 2016-11-13
hahaha...funny!
1 ravendarklord76 2016-11-13
Im all for hearing more. Only saw one thing about him and Ava arriving by sub in Argintina
1 Dixnorkel 2016-11-13
This might not be the same page I linked last time, but I remember finding released FBI files that detailed theories about Hitler fleeing to Argentina.
It was always described to me as "They found him dead in his bunker," but apparently there was no proof of his death, and they even explored some theories about where he went. Made me really question what may have happened.
It's late here and I'm on mobile, I'll look for the one I tried to post to TIL tomorrow. It wouldn't let me, since apparently someone had linked the FBI file before. Had to submit an article that linked to it, and it only got like 10 upvotes.
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler
1 MasterOfNotAThing 2016-11-13
The 2nd season of Hunting Hitler Tuesday Nov 15th. My wife and I really enjoyed season 1 and found the evidence to be in the realm of possible. I'm not sure what they can do in season 2, but we will watch it I'm sure. It took some convincing for my parents to watch but when they finally did they too thought it was plausible and where more open to the theories presented. Oh and it was much more entertaining than Oak Island... lol
1 FushUmeng 2016-11-13
This show is a total fraud, here's the proof:
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/history-channel-thinks-moe-howard-might-be-hitler-plus-micah-hankss-confusing-views-on-speculative-fiction
1 Southern314 2016-11-13
Look up "Vatican Ratlines".Hitler was funded by the Jesuits and the Vatican. Here is one link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/nazis-escaped-on-red-cross-documents.
Here is some more info on the Jesuits themselves: https://youtu.be/Wq_5jvxI9mU
1 fhor 2016-11-13
So where are you sources? Because I don't believe you
3 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2016-11-13
School is useful for learning functional information, like writing, language, mathematics, and the basics of the natural world. Everything else we're taught is hand-picked by the government as things they want their citizens to understand in order to be good citizens.