FUUUUCK. Thanks for saying this. I thought I was losing it lately because people have been posting decent stuff but then as soon as anyone implicated Trump, it's like wooooaahhh. Leave him out. Um he's a rich, powerful, manipulating, fear-monger just like the rest. A friend of JE is never a friend of mine, bunch of slimy fucks.

Honestly I never understood the Trump love around here beyond his support for Alex Jones. He's been a member of the elite his entire life, has friends in shady places, has a primary interest in increasing his fortune and popularity, and is looking to fill his cabinet with Bush-era establishment guys.

I believe Clinton is corrupt too, but the major difference I've seen between him and Clinton this election is that we've barely seen ANYTHING about Trump's behind-the-scenes dealings. We've been fortunate enough to explore massive investigations against Clinton, look at her and her foundation's financial records, see thousands of leaked and released emails, but we can't even see Trump's tax returns. I really don't like that there's some kind of assumption he's clean when he should be an obviously shady character and we know little beyond what he tells us.

This picture sums it up perfectly

😂

😭

What's the message? I started counting the sheep and fell asleep.

Love it. With Hillary it would be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Trump is just the wolf.

Yea, from that standpoint Trump did a great job at tearing off Hillary's sheep suit during the debates.

Unfortunately, I don't see any sheep(suits) in politics or business, just wolves hungry for a meal.

From that standpoint, Trump definitely looks a lot hungrier than Hillary.

Gold!

Gold, Jerry! Gold!

Nope. Didn't get gilded.

Life's a bitch!

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Haha, I'm anti-trump but that's a pretty accurate description of Hillary in that picture.

She's literally just smiling at him.

That's what's so perfect about it, people can take literally anything related to Hillary and turn it into a negative.

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What America needs is someone to go in and clean up the military industrial complex, the privatized prison systems and legalize marijuana.

Once we stop crippling our economy by going to war and locking our citizens up for profit using tax dollars and instead start receiving sales tax for the marijuana that's currently being sold illegally - true change will become possible.

Political corruption, our prison population, federal income taxes - all cut down

Citizens would be able to live their lives free of being imprisoned for smoking a little reefer.

Jobs? Plenty. The privatized prison systems are largely fronts for legalized slavery. You see once you are sentenced, you lose all of your rights and become property of the state to use for manufacturing. That's where all of our jobs went. Not Mexico (who's cartels are now financially weakened due to the legalization as well).

Our schools and prison systems are fundamentally flawed. We "teach" children by spouting information at them without teaching them how to find it on their own - how to fact-check it for validity. We use our "correctional facilities" simply as a means to punish people without putting any thought into actually helping them become a better citizen.

I've yet to hear any candidate mention or acknowledge these problems let alone run a campaign on them.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/private-prison-industry-doj_us_57b5e788e4b095b2f54309b1

I didn't realize the private prison system recently started raking in money off immigration detention. Maybe that's part of Trump's play with the wall?

People can't "find" jobs because half the country is dumb enough to vote for Trump. We need to educate people on how to start a business or at least tell them to go into a profession with a demand. My college program has had a 100% pre-graduation job placement rating for like 10 years running (meaning every student to graduate with that degree accepted jobs prior to graduating) and myself along with 2 of my highschool buddies all went through it and now have lucrative careers while I see other friends who wasted free rides on parties and unmarketable degrees.

People need to accept that the future is in education and IT. Not manual labor that can be cheaply outsourced.

Either that or embrace the fact that we are the world's mob and up the extortion. I'm down with whatever, just vote for me.

Even the Independents were way off, their civil policies sounded tempting because they promised much more freedom but their economic policies don't make sense to me in our current economy.

Yea, Bernie Sanders was a moron. He was like the liberal equivalent of Trump (which is why I think he became so popular at the start - essentially the conservative's "fuck you" for Bernie).

You told it like it is. Now read your own comment. The fact that mainstream and powerful media didn't find or publish anything about Trump - is a major conspiracy. Or truth.

They found plenty... Everything from grabbing cunts to mocking the disabled...

Business practices? He bankrupts stuff for a living

Domestic interests? He's completely globalized

We have thousands of Clinton's personal e-mails while she was secretary of state to go through (along with the FBI) and (mis)interpret. Trump still hasn't even released his tax return.

I'm a huge fan of the idea of Wikileaks but they handed this election to Trump.

Well, You are an agent. Tell me how come Trump message or propaganda prevailed , opposed to Hilary's ? What was the tipping point .. Was it FBIAnon post on 4chan , or was it that Hillary was out of touch and more corrupted ? Also, were we really on the verge of WWIII as posted around, or was it part of a Trump scheme ? I know USA media was unbearable about Russia last few months.

PS. I'm not from USA. My interest is only in the way the world works and how to live decently.

Trumps "message" prevailed because it was all-encompassing, had sophisticated brainwashing techniques and was targeted at America's most gullible political party (almost entirely christian hence the fake pope articles, antichrist messages, anti muslim sentiments etc). They told people that if they didn't vote they would be personally accountable to god for every abortion that takes place post-election. They told people that Soros/the DNC control the government and Trump is their only hope at a fair democracy. They told people that Clinton was paying people to beat up Trump supporters. They told people BLM was run by Soros. They told people the MSM is biased and to only come to them for information. Need I go on? He ran an excellent campaign and as a businessman I tip my hat to him but he's still not my president. I'd like to think that conspiracy theorists weren't the target/aren't republican and he was merely exploiting the addictiveness of a good theory, however, I'm beginning to have doubts.

I'm not an agent. In truth I'm a pissed off ~25 year old white guy who has been dating an undocumented immigrant for the past 3 years and I'm personally pissed off that he thinks he has the right to wrangle her up and deport her.

She comes from an area that's filled with violence/poverty and merely fled here to escape and now lives peacefully with me working over 40 hours a week and paying the same income and sales taxes as every other citizen.

I'm able to separate myself from that and see that other citizens will suffer just as much from Trump's "message". That's why you see people protesting in mass.

In general, the Republican platform runs off Christianity, the Military, Whites and the Rich while the Democratic platform runs off increasing civil rights for all citizens.

As Obama was taking office he was subjected to being called a Muslim terrorist and was basically forced to show his birth certificate to the public. People were/still are so racist that they can't help but distrust a black man. Almost every white person I knew - family, friends' families called him a nigger and talked about how he was going to ruin the country (coming out of being economically depressed from the Bush administration). For the past 8 years he has turned this country around. We are (almost) completely recovered and things seem to have been business as usual on the war front. Women saw lots of rights given to them. Black people felt accepted in society since they finally got one of their own in office (there was a huge racial divide). Gays were granted the right to marry. Immigrants were welcomed with open arms. Our suffering were given government assistance to get back on their feet. etc. It seemed the USA was truly the land of the free and a place I could call my home.

Then Trump came along with his civil rights stomping ass. The Democrats will never take a civil right away from anyone. The Republicans seem to want to oppress any non-white male (claim the bible for why women should have less pay, rights, etc). People seemed to have forgotten America's ugly domestic past. While I was off having fun with my new black, hispanic and gay friends a dark faction of citizens were apparently stewing in their bunkers pissed off at how the world has gone to shit.

So, pedo allegations and satanic thing was all just a big elaborate scheme ? ... 'Cause they might be just very weird , and not appropriate on Instagram , or are them a spawn of satan, nothing less ?

If your referring to these: http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-hillary-clintons-satanic-network-exposed/ http://www.inquisitr.com/3682274/hillary-clintons-alleged-lolita-child-pedophile-sex-slave-island-ring-scandal-5th-of-november-part-1-claims-by-anonymous/

Absolutely it is false. The sites that spread this filth run under the guise that it is "satire" like the onion.

dark faction of citizens

OK. Let me tell about myself , since you were being so kind in sharing your place and view of the world.

I live in Serbia, it's in eastern europe and was until 1991 a part of a country called Yugoslavia. Look into Josip Broz Tito (who was our 'marchall' and a socialist dictator) and look into the making of Non-Aligned Movement. I'm 43yr white male. When I was born , our country experienced major economic boost , coming from a int.loan , but economy was so blooming it was easily payed off. There are some analysis that citizens of Yugoslavia actually felt and made up to 50% more money / consumer power (?) in the small period of 2 years. At that time 1973 - 75,6 . Now comes 1980 and our beloved dictator dies of old age (had a one of the largest funerals in history - by foreign delegation attendance, look it up, too). It took about 10 years for shit to hits the fan and nationalism to start blooming (YU consisted of 6 republics and about 8 major nations: Slovenians, Croats, Muslims, Serbs, Macedonians, Montenegrians, Kosovo-albanians, and some Hungarians) I'm a minor minority nation, too.

So, with incentives from Western Europe (EU Union in forming) and NATO in forming, Slovenia and Croatia decides to secede. All hell breaks loose, 'cause Croatia had about 15% of Serbs living in it, they wanted to keep living in Yugoslavia. Also , they remembered 2nd WW , when Croats had a strong fascist movement of Ustasha. Western world allies Croatia to secede , war starts, first Croatia, then Bosnia, then Kosovo. Serbia are bad guys , all the time. In retrospective, the reason for this was always the way of independence and non-aligment being rooted very strong in Serbia.

Basically , western europe, USA, and NATO helped very much for a country of 20 million same language speaking , with strong independence movement, strong economy and strong army, to fall apart to 7 small , nationalistic countries.

In comes EU and USA to buy all the good industrial resources, and make us work like slaves for a small vage for them. Divide & rule. My country - Serbia was made to look like it's full of villains (look up some holiwood movies) , savages and nationalistic retards. And it was made to look like that - by American Democrats. When in fact, the only countries that were accepted into EU were Slovenia and Croatia, countries that are almost purely ethnically clean. (Look up Croatia - operation Storm / Oluja , which made almost all Serbs to flee to Serbia , 10% of Croatia population) Oh, that made with a help of NATO and USA liberals.

Soros all the way involved in 'making of these civil societies'. Fact. Comes a 1999 and a Kosovo problem , long in waiting, since Serbs and Kosovars had their share of disputes. Again, with the incentives from the West, Kosovo demands indipendence (how lucky for USA that it has some major mining grounds and resources to serve in next 50 years). Liberal politics from USA.

And here comes the first european bombing of independant country since the 2ndWW. That bombing of Serbia could've easily instigated 3rdWW if the Russia was strong as it is now. Luckily for Serbia (which is to 'blame' for all wars ever (look up 'Gavrilo Princip')) , it did not grow into major world conflict. Kosovo albanians payed of their debt to western world by being a major drug trafficing country, and with an illegal trade of people and organs (look-up 'Organ theft in Kosovo , Yellow house')

Comes 2000, and we were overthrowing our 'dictator' Milosevic (who , by the way , wasn't at all nationalist, but more of a socialist with a strong non-nationalistic view for Serbia) , and happily run into this 'Brave new world' of freedom and democracy.

So, 16 years later, we are still waiting to be accepted to European Union, still getting lectured of democracy, still being called savages (by England and USA, most prominently) , and with having now a gullible , easily manipulated (from West) goverment. Still waiting for a better pay , better life, better day. I am a minor minority in Serbia, never had a single nationalistic problem in life, live in a city that has the most variants of religions and churches, probably in the whole eastern europe (see 'Novi Sad' it's a beautiful city - chosen to be Cultural capital of Europe for 2020.) , still waiting to not be called 'savage' by the western societies. Here is an example of a City sign in my neighbour, written in six languages ... it was always like this here where I live. http://www.alo.rs/resources/images/0000/021/594/zrenjanin_1000x0.jpg Savage , isn't it ?

I'm seeing a major influx of Syrian , Iraq, Afganistan refugess , passing through my country and city , going to EU to seek a better life. Every day. Croatia and Hungary (both part of EU) had built their walls already, they did not need Trump for that.

So, all I can think when looking at american liberals protest against Trump is this: even though your purpose and goal is credible and worth fighting for, you people live in the bubble and not seeing that Democrats and liberals with a MAJOR HELP of Soros and so called 'open societies' are actually blackmailing and destroing countries , inventing wars to sell arms and take resources. And your protests against Trump are used, organized, or helped by some major villains, as seen throughout the world. Well, if you don't chill and learn about what's going on, you will now see the same shit that I in the Serbia, some dude in Iraq, Libya, Sirya , and Ukraine were seeing all these years. Maybe it's for the best. Maybe you need a rude awakening.

I'm just trying to make sense of everything. I went from 100% hillary to finding out about all of these conspiracy theories tied to a billionare capitalist "knight in shining armor" (Trump) so the skepticism is strong. Him wanting to kick my girlfriend out, Alex Jones' craziness and the whole nazi correlations weren't helping. Not to mention, he hasn't come out and stated anything officially and seems to just be hiring a bunch ot crazies for his cabinet... I'm pretty close to jumping on the Trump train but I still smell a fish somewhere.

Oh, yes. The smell of fish is everywhere. Especially around Clintons. We'll see what Trump is in a couple of months .. Is he a democratic plant ? Is he a KKK choice ? I'l give him credit (taken form some interviews) of manipulating both sides to his benefit , at the time needed. But, I think he is smarter that that. Also, don't forget that his wife was immigrant at some point, too.

It's a lot more than two sides. Adam kokesh appears to have been campaigning that Trumps going to completely abolish the government lol.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing though, Putin is a strong leader but is corrupt as fuck + has probably killed people with his bare hands.

Nobody could do his job better. You need a tough person to be in charge of a country like Russia.

Edit: Mind on elaborating on why you guys disagree rather than just downvoting? Imaginary points from a mindless herd of sheep don't make me reconsider my position.

Fuck any so-called American twat who idolizes and praises Putin. Go to Russia if you want him as a leader.

Why go to Russia when he's about to take over the US?

There has been a lot of pro Putin brainwashing going around now that I reflect back though.

People forget that the original CTR was, and is, the Putinbot.

Such a weird knee-jerk response, still eating up that propaganda or what? Where did the bad man Putin touch you?

I wasn't even praising him, just said people like him are necessary.

Russia used to the be USSR, just in case you weren't aware that before 1993 Russia was the USSR.......you are aware of that right?

Of course they are tame, they are the largest remnant of a failed global superpower from 23 years ago. You don't fail as a superpower and then instantly recoup yourself and go back to fucking with the world with noticably less power and influence like a badass.

Russia isn't the good guy or the bad guy since countries aren't human beings and therefore can't be good guys or bad guys, they can do good or bad things from certain perspectives but that's really depending on what country you live and it's relationship with Russia.

Ok, but at the height of the cold war both the USA and USSR were doing equally corrupt shit. At the very least both nations are equally corrupt. Why is it though that americans have such a hateboner for russia/putin when their own government does the same thing, and worse than russia now?

Unlike the president of the united states, putin is firmly in charge. At least you know who is pulling the strings and how the power structure is aligned. With the USA there's a shadow government controlled by massive monetary interests from around the world. They abuse the USA's power for their wealth whereas Putin enriches himself. The corruption in Russia is much more open and authoritarian rather than the subversive manipulation in the USA that makes people think their country isn't a fucking monstrosity.

Putin is owned by old ex-KGB and has been from day one. He would have a hole in his head the moment he thinks he can pull his own strings. Go read up on KGB and where Putin comes from, you'll realize there is no way he could get to where he is without having people above him helping and putting him into power, those are the ones who control Russia.

Uh, no. He is the head of it. I know all about his history and obviously he used his intelligence ties to subvert control from the russian mafia/government and made them his bitch.

Try again, pleb.

OHHHHHH i'm sorry, i didn't realize this was /u/mutfundtaxetf the legendary and world renowned Putin and Russian expert.

How do you expect people to take you seriously on anything when they open your profile and one of your recent comments go like this,

"Arf, arf Yeah, yeah, yeah (Grr) Uh, yo'don't get it twisted This president shit, is mine Motherfucker, it's not a fucking game Fuck what you heard It's what you hearin' It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) Trump gonna give it to ya Fuck waitin' for you to get it on your own Trump gonna deliver to ya Knock knock, open up the door, it's real With the non-stop, pop pop and stainless steel Go hard gettin' busy with it, but I got such a good heart That I'll make a motherfucker wonder if he did it Damn right and I'll do it again 'Cuz I am right so I gots to win Break bread wit the enemy But no matter how many cats I break bread with I'll break who you sendin' me You motherfuckers never wanted nothin' but your life saved Bitch and that's on a light day I'm gettin' down, down, like a nigga said 'freeze' But won't be the one endin' up on his knees Bitch please If the only thing you cats did was came out to play Stay out my way Motherfucker First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Ain't never gave nothin' to me But every time I turn around Cats got their hands out wantin' something from me I ain't got it so you can't get it Let's leave it at that cuz I ain't with it Hit it wit full strength, I'm a jail nigga So I face the world like it's Earl in the bullpen You against me, me against you Whatever, whenever nigga Fuck you gon' do? I'm a wolf in sheep clothing Only nigga that you know who can chill Come back and get the streets open I've been doing this for nineteen years Niggas wanna fight me? Fight these tears I put in work and it's all for the kids But these cats done forgot what work is (Uh-huh!) They don't know who we be Lookin', but they don't know who they see nigga First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Aiiyo where my niggaz at? I know I got them down in the game Give em love and they give it back Talk too much for too long Don't give up you're too strong (What?) Love to the wild wild hundreds Shout out to niggaz that done it And it ain't even about the dough It's about gettin' down for what you stand for yo', for real First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya"

You should just stick to singing that shit in your shower and feeling like a man because this arguing this just makes you look stupid.

Obviously I struck a nerve about your retarded uninformed opinion. Sorry pal sometimes people know more than you and are better in every way :)

Next time post an argument!

"Arf, arf Yeah, yeah, yeah (Grr) Uh, yo'don't get it twisted This president shit, is mine Motherfucker, it's not a fucking game Fuck what you heard It's what you hearin' It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) Trump gonna give it to ya Fuck waitin' for you to get it on your own Trump gonna deliver to ya Knock knock, open up the door, it's real With the non-stop, pop pop and stainless steel Go hard gettin' busy with it, but I got such a good heart That I'll make a motherfucker wonder if he did it Damn right and I'll do it again 'Cuz I am right so I gots to win Break bread wit the enemy But no matter how many cats I break bread with I'll break who you sendin' me You motherfuckers never wanted nothin' but your life saved Bitch and that's on a light day I'm gettin' down, down, like a nigga said 'freeze' But won't be the one endin' up on his knees Bitch please If the only thing you cats did was came out to play Stay out my way Motherfucker First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Ain't never gave nothin' to me But every time I turn around Cats got their hands out wantin' something from me I ain't got it so you can't get it Let's leave it at that cuz I ain't with it Hit it wit full strength, I'm a jail nigga So I face the world like it's Earl in the bullpen You against me, me against you Whatever, whenever nigga Fuck you gon' do? I'm a wolf in sheep clothing Only nigga that you know who can chill Come back and get the streets open I've been doing this for nineteen years Niggas wanna fight me? Fight these tears I put in work and it's all for the kids But these cats done forgot what work is (Uh-huh!) They don't know who we be Lookin', but they don't know who they see nigga First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Aiiyo where my niggaz at? I know I got them down in the game Give em love and they give it back Talk too much for too long Don't give up you're too strong (What?) Love to the wild wild hundreds Shout out to niggaz that done it And it ain't even about the dough It's about gettin' down for what you stand for yo', for real First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya First we gonna ROCK, then we gonna ROLL Then we let it POP, DON'T LET IT GO Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya Trump gonna give it to ya He gonna give it to ya

i went into this thread hoping for some nice russian history debate and KGB conspiracies, but i did not expect this.

Eh, I feel it should just be assumed that the POTUS is going to subjected to corruption and extortion since it essentially comes with the job. The ridiculous idea that he would even be able to come in and sweep out corruption without immediately being assassinated is preposterous and needs to just be thrown out the window.

This leaves three options: he's already corrupt, he will be corrupted, or he's not going to survive to see anything come to fruition.

Given that he is fully saying that he wants to go in and flush out "the swamp" (corrupt democrats), I'm left with the options that the government's corruption isn't really an issue (not likely), Trump want's to go in and be the Republican's Soros (what I'm guessing), Trump is dumb enough to think he can sweep out a shadow government (I don't think he's that dumb) or he is willing to sacrifice himself for "the truth" (possible but I doubt it).

Judging by his familiarity with MoveOn, Soros, Wikileaks, etc. I assume he's just been playing the jester in order to further the police state agenda for the NWO or whoever and drawing attention to Soros in order to take over his position or as a scapegoat for simple military industrial complex/privatized prison/etc money.

My best guess is the last, he's using Soros (a known conspiracy theory target and someone with relatively low wealth and life expectancy) as a scapegoat for his election and his plans are to exploit his position to further his family's wealth and power.

I think his reforms are reasonable enough, he's just cleaning up congress. The only way he steps on the wrong shoes is if he interferes with some geo-political stuff like coups going on.

If I already had congress paid off and he came in wanting to prevent my ability to keep doing so - he would be taken out.

Taken out and finger banged? What, no foreplay first?

No. Taken out... >.o

Ah, to a fine steak dinner? I like the way you think, maybe I'll take him out to get lobster afterwards.

You're assuming there's only one controlling monetary interest in congress. It's not centralized corruption or control, it's just the invisible hand of a broken power structure controlled by overall greed not a single entity. A nudge in the right direction (trump's plan) won't fix it but it will reduce the weight that hand has on policy.

If you think there's some sort of evil cabal that controls every move and policy you're a fucking moron plain and simple.

I assume it would just make that invisible hand's job harder as he would have to reach out to more people but that's essentially just another middle-man position for them.

I look at it like this: I'm the president and the nation wants gun control - the NRA is offering me a 200k bribe and the anti-gun lobby is offering me 100k - I'm obviously taking the NRA's offer and keeping that relationship alive.

Then just apply that to every issue and every politician and that's how the "shadow government" operates. George Soros would just be a major player with a lot of interests.

Yeah and Trump's policies will help alleviate that. There will be a revolving door of corruption as we vote out the congress people who vote against our interest but at least if you're voted out you now have some employment/lobbying restrictions and thus the bribes will be more costly.

Babysteps to get money out of politics.

Personally I think we should an avenue of legally pursuing death penalties for corrupt congressmen instead of just voting them out. Either that or direct democracy/meritocracy is the only way we curb corruption to a manageable level

If nothing else, it will increase the people's ability to vote in change so I'm for it.

The Russian economy is in the shitter though

Nobody could do his job better... not so sure about that.

wait, alex jones is respected here? lol.

They're turning the frogs gay, people.

In my opinion Alex Jones is a fearmonger that uses conspiracy theories to spread fear, divide the people and push his own agenda. He mixes truths with half-truths and lies and offers no real solutions to any world problems while just making people more afraid and helpless.

I would even go as far to say he is there for precisely those reasons, a puppet placed there by those in power to subdue the part of the population that have started to look for truths about the current geopolitical situation and our world in general outside the mainstream narrative (people looking into possible conspiracies...etc. ) and distract them while filling them with fear, anger and hopelessness/helplessness.

Alex Jones is an entrepreneur. He sells DVD's and snake oil. I don't personally think he goes much deeper than that.

You forget how he "snuck in" the bohemian grove complete with video and audio recording devices, fooled hundreds of guards plus the attending elite, and positioned himself at a perfect first-row seat angle to capture the cremation of care ritual in all its splendor and clarity. If you think that fat, stubby loudmouth could device such a 007/mission impossible plan and carry it out, then I dont know what to tell you.

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so blurry

You believe that? K.

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I can see you feel strongly about the subject.

Jon Ronson was with him, and wrote about it in a book later. It sounds like Jones talked it up later into this 007 shit, but at the time the security was fairly light and they just walked in.

Am I supposed to know what that is?

Actually, yes.

If you are in conspiracy and don't know what LordPubes is talking about then that's on you not them.

I came here from /r/all.

I have 0 idea what the fuck he is talking about.

Lolwhat

He may have sold it as a sneak-in, much more likely he was allowed to be there.

Thats what Im getting to.

Pal he probably bought a ticket.

its a shame, because AJ's early works are actually very good (A Noble Lie to name one)

There was a time about 15 years ago that I thought Alex Jones was speaking truth to power. His appearance in the Richard Linklater film, Waking Life, was electrifying to hear as a 16 year old beginning to question the system. It was what first put him on my radar and I started listening to his radio program so after seeing the movie. This was around 2002-2003. For a while, he seemed like he was dead right about a ton of stuff - 9/11, Iraq, Bush war crimes, mass government surveillance, police militarization etc. Sure he was bombastic and over the top sometimes but that's why I loved him. He was nothing if not passionate and I felt like his passion was well deserved and I wished more people got as fired up about the real things as he did.

Then...something changed. Admittedly, I stopped listening to him as much as I got busier with life post-college. Then I see him start popping up in random youtube videos here and there a few years ago and he just looks unhinged and almost like a caricature of his old self. It's hard to describe but it just looked staged or something. And now this election cycle I see that he's got all his weight behind Donald Trump?! This is the same guy that I used to hear losing his mind when George W. Bush talked about how much easier things would be if the US was a dictatorship? He's putting his support behind a guy who routinely praises strong men and has an Authoritarian bent like no one else we've seen in recent history? It just doesn't gel with who he used to be and what he used to stand for.

I'm left to come to one of two conclusions: 1) Alex Jones has officially lost his mind or 2) Alex Jones is being used as a puppet by the very people he used to warn all of us about. I am inclined to think it's #1. But #2 is also an intriguing option and not one I had never considered before. I remember even thinking during the early days about how much more on edge I was and angry I was and then hopeless I felt after listening to 3 hours of Alex rail on and on about how fucked we were getting by the Elites that I actually started to think "what if Alex is just a stooge put here to fill us with terror and half truths and distractions?" I dunno, it's like some one else said, it's almost like a conspiracy-ception! I dismissed the notion back then, and today I still feel like the simpler answer is probably true - after walking a razors edge for so long, he just ain't right in the head any more.

sorry for any typos, kind of rambled more than I thought I was going to when I started.

#3: You grew older and wiser, and noticed who Alex Jones really is.

Someone who desperately wants power, and will say absolutely anything to get it. Whether it's power by selling DVDs or power by promoting a dirty fucking candidate, he wants it.

Holy shit, I didn't realize that was Alex Jones in Waking Life.

Actually kind of depressing now that I went back and watched it... Talking bout two sides of the same coin and how they give you a buffet of misinformation - now he runs infowars for the radical right.

I think I might have actually been the one to make the "cospiracy-ception" comment your referring to, lol.

There's definitely more than meets the eye with this one and I can't stop poking around. Now that I know Alex Jones' past it definitely makes things more interesting and helps explain the Soros links.

My best guess off of the top of my head is that he's simply a puppet for Trump. That would explain him falling off of the radar, looking different, beginning new youtube channels, all that fucking money they apparently have (seriously, infowars is better filmed than MSM), and the overall craziness. He was either simply bought out by Trump and exploited to push his agenda as the white night for government corruption or the two of them are truly on a mission to rid corruption and are willing to lie their asses off for the greater good (but that sounds too much like the_donald so probably not).

I keep coming to the conclusion that Trump is plotting to simply make money off of the usual military industrial complex, privatized prison systems, pharmaceuticals, etc while destroying the legislature hindering his and his interests' current operations and he's just exploiting the conspiracy theory/alex jones/, anti-MSM/fake news narratives to keep completely envelop his followers in these ideas that liberal (commies) are either batshit insane criminals, lazy idiot drug addicts or funded by Soros (explains why the_donald is so hysterically brainwashed and think you're a shill if you offer any debate).

Hell, InfoWars is basically training them how to talk over democrats/opposing views in all of their "interview" videos.

If you don't think Trump (or campaign managers) is that sophisticated take a look at this http://moneysexcharisma.com/how-to-humiliate-your-enemies-how-hillary-supporters-could-bury-trump/

He is also in to some really really really out there shit.

Machine elves controlling the left, fish people hybrids being raised in tanks. Obama and Clinton smelling like sulfur cause they have made deals with Satan.

He has latched onto the fact that his paying audience is the Christian God Fearing SciFi Conspiracy Nuts. He targets this audience and exploits them. I give him cred cause they eat all that stuff up.

never mind the snake oil water and pills he sells or the fact none of his predictions are accurate or that Cooper warned us he was a shill

Who's Cooper?

https://youtu.be/d7jJMYJbAKc

he was always like that, I have been watching him on and off since his first shows. He just has honed his craft now.

I've also been thinking about this a lot lately and in my opinion there's no one more angry about Trump winning than Alex Jones. Jones planned on riding the whole "it was rigged" thing for another year after Trump lost, while still grilling "President Hillary Clinton" with all her baggage. Jones' whole shtick is going against whichever president is in office so seeing how weak of a candidate Trump was (although widely popular), Jones doubled down on Trump losing in order to play the rigged card. This plan backfired when Trump won so now Jones has the choice of becoming a full blown right-wing personality, or slowly distancing himself from Trump and going back his old approach. This explains why Jones was more left leaning when Bush was in office and then went right when Obama got in. It almost like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones swapped bodies.

I think he's just always been a self-interested profiteer who's following in the footsteps of the John Birch Society. Dude needs to smoke some weed. He says Colorado marijuana is "weaponized." What a joke.

Some stuff to listen to. Can't pick a specific clip because I don't have my headphones handy.

Yeah I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but every time I watched his shows it felt like I was watching a trailer for a horror movie. It just feels slimy and sleezy to watch. Lurid, but not in a good way.

Holy shit, that would be quite the conspiracy-ception...

This was my comment a day ago when Alex Jones came up: I mean, most of that shit comes from Alex Jones and personally think he is a plant of the CIA in counter intelligence (like Anderson Cooper). His role is to fill the airwaves with all sorts of crazy conspiracy bullshit (like lizard people) and put out factual stuff. He is poisoning the well of information. By putting out factual stuff and then tying it to the really crazy shit, no one will actually take any of it seriously, and those that will are off their rocker (thinking the world's government are full of lizards who are trying to raise the global CO2 temperatures so they can have a more habitable environment to live in).

thinking the world's government are full of lizards who are trying to raise the global CO2 temperatures so they can have a more habitable environment to live in

So they can live in an ideal environment with their gay frogs.

Frogs are gay with mice

Fuck man, all the dots are starting to connect...

Anderson Cooper is a plant by the CIA?

Yes. I think it's called Operation Mockingbird

That is correct.

Makes perfect sense, actually.

Almost too much sense...

Conspiraception.

It works for me.

Oh My Fucking God! It's Alex Jones's all the way down.

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A lot of people would have dismissed the DNC working against one of their own top candidates, or the NSA monitoring basically the entire internet. But both those things turned out to be true.

People get together, they work together. It's not so crazy to imagine people in high places working with each other to benefit themselves. That's everyday stuff.

Most conspiracies are actually based on the assumptions that those in power collude and conspire to keep their power, control, wealth...and to expand it further.

I actually have trouble believing that "some shadowy figures" as you called them (the wealthy elite) , had no hand in his rise and didn't help, promote, support and finance him. Especially when you understand how powerful the media is in controlling the mass consciousness (and how much of the media is already controlled).

This is the enormous difference between "conspiracy theorists" and other people - we think many (not all) things that promote and give further power and control to the wealthy elite are there by design, since the elite, though sociopaths they may be, are very intelligent and indeed far from fools - but you think that these things and events are there by mere chance, which I just cannot bring myself to believe.

My thoughts on Alex Jones for awhile. Obviously a shill meant to distract those out for low hanging fruit. He still believes the government is preparing to institute martial law and take us all to jail.

I think you hit the nail on the head with hopelessness/helplessness.

I think it might be a little bit more than that, though. I feel like when people listen to Alex Jones spitting all over the mic, they think, "Wow, this guy is really fighting for me, I guess I can keep going to my 9-5 job and drink myself to sleep every night. No need to protest, this guy has it covered."

It's like they're fulfilling their urges to do something by just listening to a guy lose his shit over it. Very similarly to the way that people will like a cause on Facebook, and then consider that their public service for the year. Giving yourself the illusion of giving a damn.

Exactly, that is another problem with Jones - he pacifies the population, very well said.

Even the fear itself that he spreads makes people passive, confused and unable to do anything to make a positive difference (because how can you act productively and positively from a place of fear?) .

Haha you put it much better than I did, but I totally agree. Fear of the government, to that degree, is crippling.

Yea, same thing happens with TV too. Some people watch some evil doer get his in a TV show/movie and it gives them that release of brain chemicals that makes them feel good kind of like how games supplement real accomplishments the same way and porn does the same thing with sex.

Except since it isn't the real thing it's a fleeting feeling and it makes people go back to it more often instead of looking for real tangible things to do that will actually give them a long lasting sense of accomplishment and purpose in life. Our brains are wired to go for the easy/fast way.

They are all addictions it's just that most people don't seem to recognize it as such.

I'm a Trump fan, but I will say my pedes in /r/the_Donald don't much care for it when I say Alex Jones is controlled opposition and a Zionist shill.

He was literally on the list of people to support like yesterday, one sec I'll get it

Edit: I am linking to the comment I made because I responded to that thread in the same way despite NO ONE ELSE bringing up how much of a jerk Alex Jones is.

http://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cvphc/official_rthe_donald_list_of_companies_to_boycott/d9zz3gx

That thread makes me feel sick. People that believe they are "awake" but have been brainwashed more than ever, just by a different narrative.

The excuse is always the same, too. "But they supported trump in the primaries so we have to support them now". Uh.. isn't this campaign bout getting rid of crooked politicians?

It's kind of sad how many people bought into that bullshit. Trump is a corrupt businessman, and corrupt businessmen are the people who corrupt politicians. Who in their right mind thinks Trump will be the one to get rid of corruption in politics?

Absolutely right.

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I wonder how many people will forget about this list in a month

Not related to your comment, but that's the first time I've seen that list. When you see someone start calling people cucks do you automatically ignore them?

Personally, yes. I ignore the person calling the other person a cuck.

I've tried to look into his ties to being controlled opposition. Do you have any sources I can look at? Everything I've found isn't much.

ALEX JONES IS BILL HICKS!!!!

After bill cooper was assassinated, jones tried to steer the crowds tothe wromg direction. I think he suceeded enormously.

And sell fake medicine for exorbitant prices after he's convinced you that your doctor is trying to kill you, don't forget that bit.

And, well...

Alex Jones is a 911 DVD peddler. That's what he is. He wants to profit from the death and suffering of victims of terrorism. Buy my fluoride filters, nao!

I don't know if Jones was actually put there on purpose, but that's definitely the niche he fills. When people start to sense things aren't right, when they start wanting to dig a little deeper, there's Alex Jones ready to baffle them with bullshit and leave them more confused than when they started (and sell them a little silver bullion and fluoride filters while they're on his website).

Not to mention the fact that he's constantly plugging his online store.

Exactly this, Jones is cointelpro and possibly a useful idiot

True but once you know this it almost becomes satire and its hilarious. SHES A DEMON SHE SMELLS OF SULFUR!!!! EVERYONE AROUND HER SAYS SHE STINKS AND SHES INCOMPETENT AND THE GLOBAL CABAL IS HIDING IT. ahahaha

Alex Jones "Sarah Palin is the real deal. Is she as good as Ted Cruz? no but she would make a hell of a vp". This guys a fucking joke.

This guy theorizes conspiracies. Teach us your ways, master.

Agreed. Thing I hate about Alex is that yes, he dives into some theories and gets tot he bottom, but then he goes off on a crazy rant about fish controlling the ocean water or something.

He is controlled opposition. He will give you just enough then stop and say something totally bat shit crazy that discredits himself. Kind of reminds me of old Glenn beck. He was on to some stuff then went off the deep end.

Completely agreed. I used to watch Alex Jones back in the 2000s and while I occasionally could tellhe was going way too far out on a limb, I at least thought he was trying to fight the good fight even if he was occasionally(often?) misinformed.

Now? Eh. At best he's a peddler of goods who uses fear mongering to increase his sales.

If Alex Jones was who he presents himself to be, going after people as powerful as he presents them to be.. why has he not died of a heart attack or suspicious robbery or something by now?

So are you guys conspiracy nuts or progressives? Because everything I'm hearing sounds a lot like what Bernie stands for.

The conspiracy of jade helm 15

Alex Jones simply wants to make money and have people listen to him. He wasn't placed there any more than a popular YouTuber is placed there.

I don't think he's a puppet just a useful snakes oil salesman. His end game seems to just be pushing super pills. I think the elites have fully taken up the ideology of crisis politics. Don't make long term plans just wait for the next problem and exploit it.

Remember his debate with David Duke? Youtube members:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuXNMkBJbNg

Or Bill Cooper completely exposing him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPQKtIj0rdo

Or Stratfor: https://alexjonesexposed.info/alex-jones-and-stratfor/

The best description I heard of Alex Jones is "a humble water filter salesman." By being as loud and voracious as possible, and fear mongering the populace, you can get them to trust you, and once you have trust, you have the sale.

They're turning the frogs gay

Was that true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sh9vYu4i5c

i want proof of the gay frogs

I think it was some sort of pesticide that turned male frogs into female frogs while they were tadpoles and still developing or something.

Obviously doesn't effect humans the same way, but they claimed it was a plot to turn america gay or something.

Atrazine turns frogs eggs into predominantly female. This is true and has peer reviewed studies. Plastics broken down in the environment also mimic estrogen and have had similar effects on lower animals.

Then AJ does one of his stupid rants and no one's knows the reality just associate it with that fuck-wit.

Anytime homosexuality is involved in the conspiracy, you know it's bullshit scaremongering. There is no gay agenda. Why would there be?

I have the documents people!

Frogs are gay with their tongues lapping up mice

Not "gay", but basically changing genders yes.

That's pretty fucking different. There are lots of species that change genders

Yea but that occurs naturally in those species. Frogs are not supposed to switch genders. IIRC it turns male frogs female, making it a lot harder to reproduce.

It does occur naturally in some frogs but yeah the story is basically just "hey there's some people polluting and it's fucking with wildlife" but that doesn't really have quite the same fear/hate factor

Like in Jurassic Park?

Gay as in happy

Are you surprised? The sub is literally called /r/conspiracy. Who do you think they're going to watch? Jon Stewart?

No, his videos hardly get posted here.

Bill Cooper called him a fraud/disinfo-agent/controlled-op, and I'm inclined to believe him.

Honestly, the fact that nothing shady has come up about Trump makes me think he's shadier than Clinton.

Nobody's squeaky clean. Nobody, but especially not a billionaire real estate mogul. This means Trump is better at hiding the skeletons in his closet than Clinton. That's a scary thought. Whether it's the friends he's made, the backroom deals he's brokering, or whatever, Trump has the power to be a sleazy cheating fuck and make it vanish. Like, Russian hackers are leaking Clinton's every email in the last decade and yet nothing turns up on Trump? He opens casinos and develops real estate around the world without a single government pay off or deal brokered with organized crime? Nah, there's something weird as fuck going on there.

Seriously, if you didn't only get your conspiracy news from this sub, you'd know that there are tons about Trump. I spent a lot of time on r/politics (I'm sure some people looking at my history would say I'm a shill), and there were actually a ton of conspiracies posted there, and also a ton of facts that people seem to just ignore about him. If you ask me, the media might hate Trump, but they focused on Hillary's emails the whole election and never pushed any of the shit he did in the past, so he got a huge pass that probably won him the election

It's cause he throws so much crap onto the floor it's hard for the main stream to pick thru and find something legitimate. Everyone is so worried to report on something that could be perceived as wrong that they wait for the next guy to verify it. But by the time anything is moved on that story, trump has already said something silly at a rally and it's time to cover that.

In a way the pussy grab video kind of helped trump. It dominated the news cycle for so long and had no impact on his base/followers. By the time the media got over that it was too close to the election for anyone to do any real searching for anything else.

I'm sorry but the whole Russian/trump connection did not get as much searching as it deserved. The media just basically asked trump camp about it and then let it be. His ex campaign manager helped dictators for crying out loud and had more then just connections with Russia.

Trump just so happen to be the perfect candidate in the perfect media to fall into the White House. The media is a fucking circle jerk and each one is to afraid to let go of the next guy to do anything important.

The media made trump. They believed it was so in the bag for Clinton that they wanted a piece of the reality shit show that was trump. But instead of people tuning in to watch a meltdown they were tuning into a persecution of Clinton. The last month the only thing that was of substance was emails emails emails and trump driving it home and the media gave him free air time to spout whatever he wanted and make his own narrative.

Brave words. Let's see how it works out for you.

+8 right now. Surprised me, I avoid posting whenever conspiracies hits all because I expect to be downvoted, but I think that was because of the strong trump bias that seems to be shrinking. I believe one day everything we at r/politics saw in him will be proven, and people will be baffled by how they never heard about it and they'll regret being blinded by the emails and Benghazi.

There's solid evidence that Hillary Clinton murders and eats babies.

EDIT: What's wrong r/conspiracy ? Thought you wanted a wacky conspiracy? Oh yeah. You don't want conspiracies to be talked about that actually lead to truth.

I hope you're joking, but I honestly don't think you are, considering where we are

I am not joking.

r/pizzagate

This looks like a fun sub.

Are you saying that to prove a point or be satirical/ironic?

Lol

Do you have any examples?

I wish I had a solid list, and if anyone seeing this has a link I'd appreciate it cuz I'm sure someone has kept track. But, off the top of my head:

• Russian ties (nor just the email server, which still seemed fishy the last time i checked)

• Mafia connections

• People repeatedly point at Bill's ride on "Lolita Express" (I think that was the name of the pedophile's plane) while ignoring that the same book says Trump did the same (although the author has called theories theirs crazy IIRC), plus all the sexual assault accusations

I know there's others, but then there's also all the confirmed things like how he never pays his contractors. I know there's way more, but I can never remember examples :(

Mafia connections I think are a given, Russia thing doesn't seem to have much evidence behind it and he only went on the lolita express once. Not going again doesn't seem too bad.

Are there more? These are all ones I know about.

It's odd how his campaign fired multiple people after papers started saying they had Russian ties (reputable ones, so I believe there was evidence), especial whoever it was that had recurved millions for lobbying from the pro-Russia group inside Ukraine or something like that. Then there was a story on the front page a few days ago where a Russian minister of foreign affairs (or something like that) said they had constant contact with his campaign.

I know there's many other conspiracies, those are just the big ones that I can remember.

That was Paul Manafort who received 13 million dollars. He was the former top advisor for Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych who was a Putin puppet. You might remember Yanukovych from the news a few years ago when his opponent in the election was poisoned.

After the anti-corruption uprising when Yanukovych was run out of the country back to Russia, Manafort came to America to work for Trump.

"But there's not enough evidence!"

Shouts the conspiracy sub.

I've been reading about Berlusconi a bunch. Rich mogul who entered politics solely because his businesses were tanking. Eventually a head-spinning list of corruptions came out, he's been in prison for awhile now. Who's been talking about Trump since the Apprentice? I feel his useless brand stopped getting gobbled up by dopes, he had debts and accusations piling up, the pathetic Trump University endeavor to sink him, so he decided to become president of the united states. Perhaps.

Trump's business has been booming since The Apprentice. He's been opening towers internationally. I don't buy this explanation.

> /r/redacted

> tons of facts

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Nothing shady? Trump's history as a business man is riddled with openly shady shit. There are current active lawsuits against him for his shady business practices. What are you on about?

Read this.

But personally, I think the NSA leaked Podesta's emails.

The top comment is juicy.

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I didn't see any reference to the NSA in that link. Is Mercer somehow connected with them?

Is Mercer just the right wing Soros? (who is just the left wing Koch brothers)

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Either that, or he just isn't as ballsy as Hillary was. Hillary got caught because she had this highly complex global network of corrupt ties. She spread herself far too wide, and in the end it was too much to hide, too easy to break into. It collapsed under its own weight. I do think Trump has his own skeletons in the closet. I imagine he's got a knack for exploiting loopholes, so his sleazy behavior might not technically be illegal. I don't think his corruption is as far reaching as Hillary's though, and I don't think he's better at hiding them so much as they're easier to hide.

Then again I might be wrong, this election has made it pretty clear not to underestimate Trump.

Plus Hillary has been in public life and disclosed all of her financial ties. We don't really know anything about Trump's ties.

Exactly. I can't wait till people start snooping and diggin into his ties, which will most certainly happen now that he's gonna be president. Should be very interesting to see what the future holds.

Excited for the shitstorm.. but also sad.

One reason I think Hillary is far more corrupt is simply because she traveled to haiti together with george soros(not necessarily haiti)

I mean, that's fine. Believe what you want.

How about Soros' relationship with Trump?

http://conservativetribune.com/bailed-out-trump-towers/

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/trump-pals-around-with-george-soros

Interesting...

lol your post history proves you don't know SHIT about Hillary's financial ties. You regularly deny the facts from wikileaks! GTFO.

When did I deny Hillary's financial connections?..

She spread herself far too wide, and in the end it was too much to hide,

/r/oddlysatisfying

Interesting to think that her role as Secretary of State might've been a detriment because of how many global interactions and partnerships she would have accumulated

So who here is brave enough to start looking into NYC Russian mob ties to see if they're getting kickbacks via local shipping & dock work & contracts. Is that a thing? I think it was a level on GTAIV

I imagine you get more chances to do shady shit when you're a politician than in any other job.Also, it's not like he hasn't had his fair share of shittiness made public; like the tax dodging, pussy grabbing,fake universities etc.

We had plenty of real examples of dickery and over 60 pending lawsuits against him, but I am sure it's barely the tip of the iceberg. Beyond looking like a fool constantly and saying dystopian incendiary things, not to mention making fun of everyone and treating people like shit on live TV, he's been a crook and dickhead his entire life, and the only thing that matters now is his brand and perceived power. Until he became president, however. History will hopefully give us all the facts one day. I hope that day is soon.

Wtf do yoh mean, nothing shady has come up about Trump? His campaign was plagued with shady shit that he did/said behind the scenes. Remember how he didn't pay taxes for like two decades after he lost a billikn dollars?

It's pretty hard to hide stuff when you have the IRS up your ass every year and a constant spotlight on you. I doubt he's never done shady shit, but most of his dealings are public by design. People expect him to be shady as fuck, but not too much floats to the surface despite constant attempts and finding dirt on him. With so many people hating one person, I'd expect a lot more dirt to constantly come loose on him, like with Hillary.

He's working for the mossad and for Putin. Whoever will give him what he wants and he wanted the presidency.

Nothing shady has come up? What about Trump University? No tax records? Russian connections? There is a shit load of shady slimy shit going on - unfortunately, there is no massive leak so we can look into it.

He said he doesn't use emails. Nigga probably faxes and telegrams

Lol now that trump won r/conspiracy suddenly doesn't like him. Just goes to show maybe what you seek is not the truth but to be contrary

Or maybe that /r/the_donald started swarming here in the days leading up to and after the election.

Days? Try months.

Months? It's been close to 2 years since he announced his candidacy.

Yeah but it wasn't until the 2nd debate that I noticed a huge influx of the_donald users. Wikileaks gained relevancy and this sub has historically been the main one discussing the leaks, so they came here.

Which is totally fine with me btw, the more the merrier, but it's definitely got to be bipartisan here.

Years? It's been decades.

/r/undelete as well. I don't really venture in here much but the top queue of all has been all /r/undelete, /r/conspiracy and /r/hilaryforprison (I filter the Donald or it would be there too). It's really ruined a lot of reddit

Suddenly people think reddit is now right wing? Plenty of places on reddit that don't have a pro Trump bias.

I doubt any significant number people think reddit is right wing, full stop. It's just that a lot of us think that the right wing on reddit goes too far.

Really? I think the safe places and locking threads go to far.

I agree completely. The_Donald should have done neither of those things.

You can add /r/uncensorednews to that list as well

What I see in common is, those subreddit's aren't safe places deleteing everything, and every other subreddits are locking threads and deleteing anything positive towards trump period.

But why is it a problem suddenly now?

Is he the establishment now?

Looking at his potential cabinet, I'd say yes.

Watch him on 60 minutes for that bit.

That was the most embarrassing non-answer I've ever heard. He had no idea how to answer the question, and eventually just stuttered out "That's why we have to drain the swamp!"

We have to drain the swamp... because he hired a bunch of corrupt people. Because apparently there was nobody else. Fucking joke.

I'm just gonna hope that he's keeping them in the cabinet temporarily because they have experience and influence. Once he learns the ropes he might not keep them around, I'm also thinking its a move to make him look like he is playing ball with the establishment. That's just me being hopeful

Presidents really don't make super-temporary cabinet appointments. For the most part, who they appoint is who stays with them for all 4 years. And so far all signs point to Trump assembling one of the most corrupt and establishment cabinets I've ever seen.

I made this point to a friend and he said "well it's good to start off with people that get it since he has no experience- you can't transition into it with people that don't understand the government".

... wut

Tell you're friend that makes no sense at all, what the fuck is he trying to communicate? That not having experience will somehow guide you into getting smarter people?

Basically, he voted for trump because of his anti-establishment, and now has deduced that this is okay because those not in the establishment can't have the required experience to transition and lead Trump.

He hasn't even announced the cabinet yet...he's announced like 2 people so far lol

Yeah because Steve Bannon is so0o0o establishment. Right. You guys are so caught up in your REEEEEEE you forgot about the_D

Newt Gingrich.
Rudy Giuliani.
Sarah Palin.
Reince Priebus.
Ben Carson.
Chris Christie.

Yeah, he's fucking establishment.

Not arguing, but how is Ben Carson establishment? I thought he was just a doctor.

He's not, but he would be establishing him for no reason other than Carson supporting him after dropping out, and that's the behavior that creates an establishment that people hate, instead of picking people based on merit.

There's no reason to want Ben Carson for anything other than your brain surgery. He brings nothing to the table.

He's black.

He's appart of the establishment book tour. Offers no real insights, but as a black man he be used by corporate news entities like Fox News to claim diversity.

Carson offers nothing but corruption to the process. Mother fucker thinks they stored grains in the pyramids from top to bottom.

Would you prefer he hired a bunch of people who had never worked in Washington before?

Someone has to have some idea of what to do.

I don't know, would you run on a campaign of being the anti-establishment candidate and then appoint an almost exclusively establishment cabinet? Hmm...

I'll ask you again. Would you prefer his cabinet were Ben Affleck, Justin Timberlake, Denzel Washington, and RuPaul?

Someone in his cabinet has to have some idea of how things work, who to contact, etc. What matters at the end of the day is that the decisions belong to Trump, not his cabinet members; they're just his gophers.

So if establishment is necessary to run a country why would anyone believe he would be anti-establishment? Are you trying to say that the donald and half of country are complete fucktards for believing Trump or what?

Are you trying to say that the donald and half of country are complete fucktards for believing Trump or what?

conned like playing three card monte in New York.

You're missing the point, and I think it's intentional.

What happens if you move a bunch of people into the White House who have never worked in politics and someone wants to broker a deal with Iran? Nobody knows how to contact Iran, that's what. You bring in political insiders to learn from and utilize to accomplish necessary tasks. But you're not giving them free reign to make decisions for the country, so whether they're establishment or not is pretty irrelevant.

You are saying as if you have to choose between establishment and complete newbies without any political experience?

Which experienced republican politicians aren't establishment, again?

Hence my first reply.

As you said every republican usable is just establishment, why did Trump run as anti-establishment if it's inevitable to run a country?

So, you're still missing the point.

Do you have any idea what the actual platform behind "drain the swamp" is? Apparently not, and just because they don't exist now doesn't mean they won't exist in the future. And you're expecting him to shoot himself in the foot in the meantime? Makes very little sense.

Well the point is I can't see what he can do in the future to actually "drain the swamp". As you said one doesn't have any political experience can't really do anything he will have to rely on the establishment.

How is he going to shake-up the establishment?

I suggest you read his first 100 days in office plan. It paints a pretty clear picture of how he intends to shake up the establishment.

Yes I've read it and it sounds fantastic.

I was saying he can't push through those changes against the same people he needed the most in the white house.

Well his cabinet members don't really have to approve of his positions. He's their boss. And that's been my whole point all along.

My point is just that he can only be an actual boss if he has political experience to play the game around those old people. A big part of GOP establishment still hates Trump for being "open-minded ex-democrat". No way they don't do their best to manipulate Trump. Now he has to listen to them and I don't think he has the leverage to force changes on them.

I disagree. I think this is a man who has spent his whole life learning to use leverage, and nothing's going to change that now. He's not some weak-minded easily manipulated pleb.

The man who was the mayor of New York City on September 11th, 2001 claimed that there were no successful islamic terror attacks on US soil before Obama's presidency. Let that sink in for a minute. Either he denied the existence of something he was very much present for, or he is admitting that 9/11 was in fact not what he and all the rest of them claimed it was. Giuliani's presence alone on the line up shows how criminal the whole gang is.

I don't think Giuliani has to be a part of something to know it exists.

And as many people have said in this thread, let's wait until he actually appoints people before we blame him for appointing them. For a sub who distrusts the media so much, you're certainly trusting the media when it fits your current viewpoint.

Alright, how's chairman of the RNC for insider? That isn't media speculation. We will see about Guliani soon enough.

I am hoping that you read farther than just a single comment into my previous conversation, but just in case, I'll provide you with this link so that you can see how I address the issue of "establishment insiders" as cabinet picks. If you read through that, and still have questions that haven't been addressed, I'm happy to continue the discussion.

I am about to go on a roughly three hour drive, so the conversation probably won't realistically continue until tomorrow, but I will respond.

It's all conjecture until everyone is officially named. If it's all insiders then your argument won't have much weight.

I don't know how you could have read that whole conversation and still say that, but okay.

Your argument was that someone needs to be there who knows what is going on. For this argument to be valid and Trump to still be considered "anti-establishment", the whole cabinet cannot be an insider echo chamber. If he doesn't have reasonable representation from outside of establishment politics then he cannot claim to be anti-establishment. You also set up a straw man argument by listing people who have nothing at all to do with governing as the alternative. I think no matter what you think of him, Bernie Sanders can clearly be put up as a shining example of someone who knows what's going on in politics even though he is squarely anti-establishment, and there are many more like him. Ron Paul, if you want one from the other side of the aisle.

Literally two out of his first three cabinet picks are not establishment politicians. I think that clears the "insider echo chamber" part.

I've only seen one, chief of staff. What other cabinet positions have been filled? Edit: I know about Bannon but didn't think chief advisor was an official cabinet position, correct me if I'm wrong. Still, who is the third?

Steve Bannon, Chief Strategist, and Steve Mnuchin, treasurer.

Goldman Sachs banker isn't an insider? What is then?

One who left Goldman Sachs a decade and a half ago? Not really, no. But why on earth would he hire a banker to be treasurer, I wonder?

Also worked for George Soros.

Again, over a decade ago and very briefly.

Your argument is "It could be worse"

That's not even close to what my argument is, but great reading comprehension.

Well he could have not hired someone straight outta goldman

He didn't.

He literally just did today.

I'll admit that I've been touring around Hollywood today on vacation and missed this latest development, but quick research shows this man left Goldman Sachs a decade and a half ago (not sure that that qualifies as "straight out of Goldman"). And is it really a terrible idea to hire a banker to run the treasury?

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I'm there are intelligent, policy-minded respectable Republicans out there. But he picks corrupt politicians, idiots and scum. I am looking forward to a lot of what Trump is advocating for right now, namely anti interventionist stuff, but other than that I think America is looking at a rough four years.

None of those are confirmed except for Priebus. And lol thinking Carson and Palin are establishment. What a joke. That's the funny thing about this sub, you guys are so eager to just be angry that you can't recognize a win, a moment to be happy. Donald trump - first presidential candidate to praise Wikileaks / acknowledge the globalist agenda spread by Soros / bring to light the fact that Saudis are currently controlling our government. This is the best conspiracy is ever going to get, hate to break it to you -- and it's not bad, the man is now the president of the United States. So what? Rally against trump and eat shit as Pence sells you out to bush oil interests? You guys are irrational

No, totally trusting someone you've never had a conversation with, or even met, is irrational.

That doesn't sound paranoid at all

Not having blind faith is paranoid, especially with many indications running counter? Nice framing there, Sal.

Never said I have blind faith. You're putting words in my mouth because you can't argue with what I'm actually saying -- which is wait and see who he actually appoints and runs his administration. The only person who is adhering to blind faith is you -- in the assumption that trump is evil

I'll bite.

You're putting words in my mouth...

No, only replying to the implication of the comment.

...because you can't argue with what I'm actually saying -- which is wait and see who he actually appoints and runs his administration.

Pretty big assumption there, but, again, no. I am replying directly to the fact that your reply attempts to link justifiable skepticism with paranoia. The words you chose in the above quote (post-hyphen) are more direct and rational, but that is not what was stated in the comment that I replied to.

The only person who is adhering to blind faith is you -- in the assumption that trump is evil.

Again, I have only made a comment about you linking paranoia to skepticism, especially when justified. There's no way you can know what I believe about Trump as I have never stated an opinion to that effect. This is just a poor attempt to redirect and obfuscate from the context of this thread.

It seems you are defensive and passionate right now. I speculate it is a normal reaction to the potential reality of a consequence of ego and governmental action. No worries, I get it...been there myself multiple times, and will be there again I'm sure. Just try to recognize it and reply rationally to the context of the individual comment, not what you perceive as a me vs. them dialogue.

If you think it's paranoid to say that "totally trusting someone you've never had a conversation with, or even met, is irrational," then you're either trolling or stupid.

Once again I never said I totally trust trump. Those are just words put into my mouth because nobody can argue with what I'm actually saying

Cool - I think I hear what you're saying.

My issue is that the people he's already contacted give us a clear signal as to the direction of his administration.

Being considered for Secretary of Homeland Security is David A. Clarke, a notoriously pro-authoritarian sheriff whose department is now under investigation after an inmate at the county jail died of profound dehydration. It was later revealed that the water to his cell had been shut off. Inmates alleged that the water had been shut off for six days and that staff refused to give him water.

Being considered for Attorney General and/or Secretary of State is Rudy Giuliani, who comes from a Mafia family and who served as a career prosecutor, playing a key role in the sabotage of the investigations of the pedophile operations at the U.S. Military Academy. He was also involved in sabotaging the investigation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the establishment-run bank where dictators, terror groups, cults and major drug and arms trafficking syndicates held accounts under the supervision of American and Israeli Intelligence.

Giuliani is of course best-known for serving as mayor of New York City from 1994 until December 2001, pushing through infamously authoritarian policies and legislation. The 9/11 attacks occurred during the final months of his term, and he oversaw the illegal destruction of large amounts of rubble in the days immediately following the attacks. He also exhibited foreknowledge of the impending collapse of the towers and World Trade Center 7. He then played the early front runner for the GOP nomination in 2008.

Being considered for Secretary of the Treasury is Jamie Dimon, who is chairman, president and chief executive of J.P. Morgan Chase & Company, co-founder and former president of Citigroup, and a former director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Dimon is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

Being considered for Secretary of Defense and/or National Security Advisor is Stephen Hadley, a self-professed neoconservative who was Deputy National Security Advisor from 2001-2005 and National Security Advisor from 2005-2009. Hadley was among the "Vulcans," the six-man team of advisors assembled by Cheney to guide Bush. Hadley was formerly a principal at the Scowcroft Group, an international consulting firm founded by Brent Scowcroft - one of the 'wise men' at the pinnacle of the U.S. establishment.

He shocked a group of Republican policymakers by suggesting, more than a year before 9/11, that removing Saddam Hussein from power was their "number-one foreign-policy agenda." Prior to the attacks, he was among the officials who consistently interered with attempts to arrest or kill Bin Laden.

Hadley, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, presently sits on the board of defense contractor Raytheon, and is among its major stockholders. This did not stop CNN, NBC, FOX, Bloomberg TV and the Washington Post from giving him a platform to call for a U.S. missile attack on Syria following the staged chemical attacks in September 2013.

None of those appointments have been confirmed. So who would you have voted for if not Donald? Gary Johnson?? An obvious establishment plant. Hillary? I shouldn't even need to lay out why she's awful. My point is trump is the best someone who hates the globalist agenda (soros) is going to get

Really, I wouldn't have voted for anyone. They want us to participate in the electoral system.

It's a complete illusion fueled only by peoples' belief in it.

I think we need to begin organizing grassroots resistance against the globalist agenda, locally-oriented and action-based. If the informed elements of every township, city, state and country did this, focusing on frontline issues, instead of channeling all their valuable time, intelligence and energy into the controlled opposition heroes that the system gives us, the superclass would be shitting themselves.

It's sad that it does.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense.

They're all on his leaked shortlist.

Unless of course you're conveniently ignoring those leaks in favor of ones that suit your narrative better.

Nope just looking at the reality of the situation which is that none of the rumors that are causing you all to literally flip the fuck out have been confirmed. So far we have Bannon, priebus and Sessions. All great men. Sorry you can't see it, but have fun constantly stepping on your own toes. R/conspiracy is its own worst enemy

Bannon

"great man"

Okay, guy.

His head editor is a gay Jew. Milo yianopolis. All this MSM attacks on him as a "white nationalist" are total garbage, as usual

"He can't be anti-Semitic, he knows a Jew!"

Also, a self-hating gay man who thinks gay people need to go back into the closet for their own good. Fuck Milo.

You might want to learn how to spell "Yiannopoulos" if you're going to play that weak-ass card again.

lol I clearly made you angry. Sorry your guy didn't win. Bannon is in the WH whether you like it or not, snowflake. It's hilarious you attack anyone who disagrees with you, even Milo. I guess because he's not a democrat he's not gay enough for you? The only intolerant people left in this country are Libs like you :) and just for your information, the prime minister of Israel even commented that he looks forward to working with Bannon.

I don't care that Milo's gay. I care that he actively endorses suppressing gay people.

Of course the Israeli PM is thrilled. He wants to tell Palestinians to fuck off, and doesn't care who he has to work with to do it.

You have no understanding of the alt right or milo. I strongly encourage you to do some research before you blindly shoot your mouth off like this slandering people for no reason. Milo doesn't suppress gay people, in fact most of his speeches usually always involve him mentioning that he loves "black cock". You probably saw he's against gay marriage and immediately went all liberal REEEEE. Just for your information, he's against gay marriage because he is against the religious institution of marriage in general...it has nothing to do with being gay. And that's an opinion that actually runs counter to most of the alt right as they are totally FOR marriage equality dumb dumb

"Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet"

by Milo Yiannopoulos - June 17, 2015 - Breitbart.com

You didn't read the article did you? Just the headline I'm assuming

Don't be surprised when he backpedals about all of that as fast as he's backpedaling on bringing charges against Clinton.

And lol thinking Carson and Palin are establishment. What a joke.

It's amazing you don't think Palin is establishment. Don't you realize vice presidential nominees are as much characters on this stage as everyone else given a spot on television?

Palin belonged to and was secretly 'vetted' for her role in the staged 2008 election by the Council for National Policy (CNP), which essentially serves as a religious-right counterpart to the CFR.

This dude is considering newt gringrich, I would not want to touch Newt with a fucking 10 inch pole.

...and Giuliani, and Bolton, and Christie, and Jose Rodriguez.

Jeff Fucking Sessions. As an Alabamian, fuck that guy particularly.

Isn't Christie currently in court?

What, and Reince Priebus isn't? Good one.

Only two positions have been announced so far. Priebus and Bannon. You all need to settle down and judge once the dust has settled. 50% of his cabinet is currently anti establishment.

Bannon is establishment. He epitomizes the overlap between private financial interests and military intelligence.

He was born to a military family in Norfolk, Virginia, which has one of the largest naval presences in the U.S.

In 1976, he graduated from Virginia Tech, a major recruiting ground for the U.S. military, CIA and NASA, and the recipient of generous grants from DARPA for classified research. Why do you think there are so many mysterious murders and "people going postal" there? Why do you think Nidal Malik Hasan, the man allegedly responsible for the killings at Fort Hood, was trained there?

After his studies (or programming) at Virginia Tech, Bannon obtained a master's degree in national security studies from Georgetown, the prestigious Jesuit college in D.C. This school is largely viewed as a training ground for both the CIA and the State Department, and so based on the nature of his studies there it is highly-likely Bannon was receiving intelligence training.

He then graduated with honors from the elite Harvard Business School in 1983 and enlisted in the U.S. Navy. Serving as a Surface Warfare Officer in the Pacific Fleet, he would eventually become a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations. How many anti-establishment crusaders are in the employ of Naval Intelligence?

After his ostensible retirement from naval operations, Bannon found employment with Goldman Sachs. How many anti-establishment crusaders are in the employ of establishment-dominated global investment banks?

He eventually founded his own investment bank, Bannon & Company, with several associates from Goldman Sachs, and negotiated the sale of Castle Rock Entertainment to establishment billionaire Ted Turner.

Don't you realize that the establishment and the intelligence services sponsor agents-of-influence in every part of the political spectrum? There are plenty of figures like Bannon on the "alternative right" and the "alternative left" whose purpose is manipulation.

Of course he is, he always fucking was. Maybe not politically up till now, but ffs, he's a billionaire.

He does run contrary to many Republican and Democrat establishment ideals and he was just on 60 Minutes talking about phasing out lobbyists in Washington. I hope that is true. It'd be nice to have a non-scumbag president for once. With that said, personally, I'd oppress as many people as necessary to get the kind of scratch Trump has. Then turn around, say "screw you America", buy an island and bounce. So already, Trump is a better person than me.

Oh don't worry, he has oppressed plenty of people in order to make money. Also, looking at his list of people to take up some of the highest jobs, he's not going to reduce the influence of either 'the establishment' or lobbyists. He has already gone back at least partially on most of his key campaign promises (the wall, Obamacare, drain the swamp), so I wouldn't be too hopeful.

so r/conspiracy are really a bunch of communists? Just because you are a billonaire real-estate mogul doesn't mean you get invites to spooky Eyes wide shut events.

To be fair, some of those events exist. At his level of society, there's a good chance he at least knows what happens at them each time.

His level? Shit. Know the right people and it happens at every level. People are all the same, just with different wrappers.

Dude, what? Did I talk about 'events'? He's rich as fuck, and his daddy wasn't exactly poor, what about this isn't 'establishment'?

He's always been establishment despite what he says.

Yep and he always said he didn't fit in with them. The Al Smith dinner speech kinda said it all. The entire audience was made up of New Yorks Elite. It wasn't warm.

Only for the past forty years or so.

Or his entire life, if you look at his family background... hell, Woody Guthrie - the saint of anti-establishment musicians - wrote a protest song about racist-ass Fred Trump, Donald's daddy, back in 1952.

But why is it a problem suddenly now?

Because they couldn't see it until it was too late.

The way Trump's campaigners swarmed in, took over Reddit, botted the everliving fuck out of every the_donald post until everything /r/all/rising was the_donald, co-opted Pepe, co-opted the memeverse, co-opted Sanders supporters after they got the shaft from Hillary, and managed to establish a personality cult around one of the most vile, filthy stereotypes of the 1% imaginable... that was something to behold.

And they're still at it. The phenomenon has now become self-sustaining.

"Vote against Hillary" said one side...

"Vote against Trump", said the other....

And the divide and conquer two party "lesser evil"-tactics ensured another fucked up presidency with another fucked up financial elitist.

Obama would have never made it without him making peace with Wall Street. Sanders refused to do it, and the way he was sabotaged tells you all you need to know about him. The only sort of candidate you can trust is anti-Wall Street.

Cue the whinging about the liberty of the free market. Yeah, we've seen that liberty at work the past 25 years after the Berlin Wall fell. Absolute fucking barrel-scraping, privatized, planet-destroying plutocrat pandemonium.

And you do what? Elect Trump to fix this?

I know why it was possible: because his fawning, memeing sycophants all over Reddit and the American electorate alike were swept along in Trump's complete epistemological nothingness: nothing is true today the way it was yesterday, and everything he does is evidence of the opposite.

Trump achieved the presidency by disturbing the very fabric of logic and truth to the point where the hapless electorate could no longer see him for what he was, and could only focus on the other side of the establishment whorehouse.

There is no truth or insight possible into a man whose every malicious action can be explained away as evidence to the contrary by some elaborate scheme of collective cultist denial.

Well done Reddit.

Great post. I wonder how he'll pull it off in four years.

Ironically, one has to hope it was all an act, because if it wasn't, God help us all, it's Putin and Trump oppressing both their populations, wiping their asses with human rights and a fragmented E.U. dealing with a trend of self-hate amidst migration, asylum and terrorism pressures feeding populist nationalism.

This sub always showed promise ... it always showed self-consciousness at the right times. Tptb have always dangled populist false conspiracy theories before their populations as a distraction, while the worst problems generated hardly any noise amidst a conspiracy of silence.

Well the value of the Trump supporters pushing things in this sub fell off a cliff when he won the election. The goal was accomplished so if they were trying to influence the subreddit to reach that goal there's not really a point in doing it anymore.

A land baron that attends gatherings of the political and media elite on the reg decides to run for office and he's apparently not establishment because what? His campaign modernised better than other candidates? I preferred Trump to Hillary but give us a break.

All billionaires are the establishment and should be guillotoned.

they gave him the talk. the 11 masked elites who we know nothing about, they may even be things..gave him "the talk"

It has been the problem the entire time. He is and has always been a part of the establishment - as he is a part of the wealthiest social layer. Those who can use money to influence politics.

If you look up Anti-Establishment figures you get Malcolm X, MLK, Noam Chomsky, Rage Against The Machine or dead prez. How well does Donald fit into that bunch?

Or maybe that people can use more than one subreddit

Naw, they were always somewhat present. Just more emboldened now.

Think about that. Think about that a little bit. Was there any bit of Trump's campaign rhetoric that wasn't some sort of propaganda?

I actually think that was a good thing. Not the Trump spam, but the fact that I think a lot of people got to see a global, criminal syndicate at work.

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Get out of here with that conspiracy talk--oh, wait. Never mind, you're good.

???

Russians had pro Trump bots on Reddit.

"The leak of internal DNC email correspondences revealing a bias against Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders — by WikiLeaks, an organization founded by Russia Today contributor Julian Assange — has divided the American left and made the Republican Party look unified in comparison."

Right...

I made this short list not too long ago. It usually brings out a downvote brigade.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trolls.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-kremlins-troll-army/375932/

http://uproxx.com/news/russia-army-trolls-internet-trump/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/06/how-russia-dominates-your-twitter-feed-to-promote-lies-and-trump-too.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-twitter-army-228923

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/27/that-viral-image-showing-trumpwon-starting-in-russia-is-probably-fake/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

https://www.yahoo.com/news/macedonia-become-haven-pro-trump-233500678.html

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-supporters-easily-fooled-by-absurdly-fake-news-created-by-macedonian-teenagers/

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5b013v/reddit_users_declare_war_on_hillarys_paid/d9kotxa/

https://np.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4ze7gm/massive_botnet_from_the_altright_racists_using/

Trusting theguardian, nytimes, theatlantic, politico, washingtonpost, and EnoughTrumpSpam

That entire Russian bullshit was made by Hillary-founded organizations, of course they're going to write it. It's like saying an article written by Buzzfeed about the gender wage gap proves the gap exists.

Hillary had CTR shilling for her on Reddit.
Trump has a genuine following of 290,000+ on r/The_Donald

Hahahahaha I know we're on r/conspiracy , but this is so wrong that I'm trying to decide if you're being sarcastic

No, it's true. We got nice fat checks and two bathroom breaks a day.

Hillary had no real supporters. I would honestly be genuinely surprised if she got more than 100,000 votes in the primary, and 10,000,000 votes in the general election.

She could barely fill a fucking middle school gym on her best day, but you're saying she got 60 million people to vote for her? Bullshit.

The truth is every single state was red in this election, and it is only a testament to her cheating engine that she got a single electoral vote.

Russia still pays you now that the election is over?

Oh look, one of CTR's shills is still around. How's that 2 cent salary going for you?

TFW you realize you are now the establishment.

What's Alex Jones going to do now?

His current line of business is over. He will have to move onto a different and edgier market.

r/conspiracy will never be the establishment.

Conspiracy theorists will always be unwelcomed by the establishment. We are mortal enemies.

Truth v tptb

Taking power away from government and giving it to the states, rejecting presidential salary. So much establishment.

the fact that /pol/ was the lone voice of reason promoting basic judeochristian values is insane.

This year has broken my sarcasm detector.

I don't think you understand what the point of this sub is.

It's not "push our political candidate cus hes on our team"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate

Sometimes that's how you keep it real... by trying to be as contrary as possible and see if you can get legitimately shut down. It doesn't mean you belive what you are saying... it is just a postulated theory to be confirmed or rejected.

Anything pro-trump was massively upvoted. anything questioning trump was massively downvoted. That's not called being the devils advocate, that's called being invaded by /pol/ and the_donald

Exactly. The Seth Rich conspiracy theory bullshit is as retarded as their get, but that would get a ton of upvotes here.

I dunno.

I'm not supportive of Trump in the least, but something is very suspect about a "robbery" in which nothing is taken from the victim, who is shot multiple times.

These circumstances would be extremely suspicious even if he had no connection with the DNC.

I've lived in a shitty neighborhood for most of my life. People get killed all the time in robberies gone wrong, nothing taken. All the time.

In cities with shot trackers, cops are on the scene within seconds. And after Seth got shot they responded immediately. You stick around to root through someone's pockets after shooting them, you end up in handcuffs.

All that considered, we're still left only with the possibility of a robbery. I'm not aware of any evidence that substantiates this or any other conclusion. Why should it simply be allowed to fade away?

Doesn't the fact that nothing was taken and that he was shot multiple times make it equally likely that he was deliberately singled out and murdered? These circumstances certainly do not conflict with such a scenario.

He was killed in a neighborhood that had a spate of armed robberies. He had just taken a job with Hillary Clinton's campaign and told his parents it was a dream job. Intelligence officials have said there is absolutely no way he was involved in the DNC hack, that it was sophisticated beyond anything he could do.

There is literally zero evidence to support the idea that he was assassinated by Hillary or the DNC or whatever. Its just a bullshit idea peddled by a guy addicted to attention (Assange) and bought hook line and sinker by people too stupid to really stop and think about it.

I don't think r/conspiracy actually liked Trump, so much as we were preoccupied with exposing hillary's corruption. What I saw on this sub, is that Trump was a tool of contrast/comparison against Clinton's foul play. People here were quick to point out media biases and violence against Trump/his supports because its an injustice, which even if you don't like him is universally agreed to be unfair.

I was mostly neutral towards him, favoring the third party candidates. Now that he's won though, I'm more willing to focus attention on him. I have a lot of hope that he might do good things, but am also ready to start getting outraged the moment he starts doing bad.

Nah, this sub was constantly brigaded by The_Donald and Russians.

To the point where mentioning either in a bad light usually brought on a brigade.

I mean the real users of r/conspiracy. Which I still feel was the majority of the users here. Yes, there were plenty of trump and putin nuts here too, but I didn't really see brigading like that in the pro Hillary subs. From what I saw, the anti-trump comments did get downvoted, but only when they lacked a fair argument. Neutral "I hate them both" or "remember, trump is also an evil elite" posts were generally upvoted. And given the high paranoia everyone had of CTR, I can understand why anti-trump comments got downvoted a lot.

Trump paid a guy with a proven history of making attack videos by falsifying interviews and making things up to make attack videos by falsifying interviews and making stuff up. This campaign head is a CEO of a media company known for manipulation of truth, now he holds a position in the federal government. This is exactly the kind of stuff this sub should be interested in, but we don't hear a peep about it.

The sub was manipulated in exactly the way it pretends only it can see. It did it willingly, too. Ironic, huh?

Agreed. In fact, I believe that the collusion between (the criminally corrupt) Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the Washington elite (and the compromised DOJ in particular), the media and the polling organisations was the most pervasive and blatant State conspiracy of the modern age.

This Continuity of Government cabal manufactured and promoted a gigantic deception (that Hillary was a popular and viable presidential candidate) in order to steal the election, and they FAILED.

Billions of dollars were spent, thousands of lies were disseminated to promote the big lie, and millions of people were systematically brainwashed into supporting a criminal for the highest office (not just in the US but around the world).

I am proud that /r/conspiracy was at the forefront of exposing that corruption and waking people up to it.

Now that she has been dispatched, I hope, to the dustbin of history, Donald Trump's sins and misdemeanours will inevitably get more attention from us. I hope that all the Trump supporters who have found this subreddit in the last few months will stay with us and help to monitor the new president's actions and policies so he remains accountable to the people, and doesn't become corrupted by the Washington machine.

I think the good thing about Trump is that, because so many people despise him, he might be more likely to be held accountable for his bad actions. I'm pretty sure even a good chunk of the people who actually voted for him hate him. He's walking on thin ice so to speak, so he must tread carefully to avoid upsetting the American people.

Remember when an edited-for-coherency Trump speech in its entirety hit the top of the sub's front page?

People here were so busy calling out perceived biases against Trump that they didn't see their own massive bias toward him.

C'mon now, even the third party candidates sucked this year. Harambe4prez

Of course /r/conspiracy is contrary to power. As it fucking should be. Otherwise you're just a partisan hack. Go to /r/the_donald or /r/politics if you want to be a partisan hack.

Sounds like a dog who doesn't know what to do with the car when it catches it. Maybe chasing the car driving the other direction is a good analogy

Yeah. If you're going to claim to be anti-establishment, own it. As soon as someone grabs hold of the reigns of power, they are now the establishment. We can obviously root for them to do good, but we help them do good by keeping a very close eye on them which disincentivizes bad behavior.

We're basically vigilante watchdogs.

To what effect?

Sometimes this is our purpose. It's an important job. Someone needs to always be shining a light on the people in power. If my candidate Bernie Sanders had won I'd hope that we'd all be watching his administration very closely with skeptical eyes.

No no, we won, remember? The people finally did it, all can go home and rest easy now. /s

If being cynical and skeptical of the people who have power over you is being "contrary" then, what's up my name's contrary.

Totally agreed. Just like the Snowden is a panopticon bullshit. If anything at all hits the mainstream, suddenly it's a conspiracy. If Ron Paul won the election, there would be people in here who theorize that he secretly works for the Federal Reserve.

Right because there is no Truth. Anything is Allowed

Well, that's the ridiculously one-dimensional way of looking at it.

I'd say the more reasonable conclusion is that those of us in agreement with the OP never supported him. We were in fact frustrated that this sleazy fascist creep - a friend of the Clintons (their daughters are friends too) - was receiving so much support from otherwise-informed people simply because he's been dressed differently.

He received the official endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police and has openly stated his intentions to drastically expand the powers of law enforcement. He has also openly stated his plans to expand U.S. involvement in the wars in the Middle East, and not only endorsed the intelligence services' right to employ torture but said their leeway should be expanded.

How is this man a threat to the power elite when his statements and actions suggest he's furthering their agenda?

Not only has he already backpedaled on his half promises, but one look at his campaign staff, advisors, transition team and the people being contacted for cabinet positions reveals a "who's who" of lobbyists, Wall Street bankers, defense executives and military intelligence assets, including truly-odious personalities like alleged Octopus member Ed Meese.

They simply hated Hillary more. Now that she's out of the picture they'll gladly take dirt on trump. Sorry 'bout your god king.

It's not time yet for anti-establishment to win openly against establishment. If someone wins in this climate, you know TPTB wanted them to.

Some people don't want change.

Or maybe you're a shill cuckhole...

CTR bailed around the same time.

Funny how that works, eh?

They still here.

They've settled way the hell down. Checks probably stopped coming in.

Funny how a Hillary loss did that

Yeah i agree. There are definitely a lot less around. They're just not completely gone.

notice the shift in stories on reddit - so many "environmental" stories now - liberals pushing another wedge issue to rally support.

I'm a Clinton voter and you make a great point. Didn't hear shit about the environment in any debates or on major subs. This shouldn't be a wedge issue either. The environment should be a top priority for both parties, like it used to be in the 60s/70s.

Clinton brought it up during the debates (and in her speeches), but there was no point in making it a question. If it were a question, the answers would have been a detailed plan from Clinton, and Trump saying it's a Chinese hoax to hurt or economy, so the moderator's would have been attacked for asking such "biased" questions.

But dude, don't you love the environment, too?

And what happened about the private Trump server that was in direct email communication with a Russian owned bank? Putin became pretty chummy after Trump won. Trump did campaign with foreign politicians, which, in the modern age, is pretty looked-down upon. What did Trump sell to Putin?

It was proven to be a bullshit article. It was just a spam machine. http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/1/13486596/trump-russia-alfabank-server-hotline-connection-debunk

There is a better article out there but I can't find it.

"Could be" a spam machine. It's right there in the headline.

Not proven. It wasn't confirmed.

DNS doesn't show persistent connections. It's just a lookup.

And then it's been disconnected.

And then re-connected with new DNS.

Strange to do that to receive spam.

Or maybe you are the fool?

Or maybe you don't know shit about DNS servers.

I refuse to be talked down from a self-proclaimed "salesman."

Expect a lot of robotik downvotes around here if you start poking that hornet's nest (Trump and Russia in general, not that story exclusively).

I'll poke that nest:

What's up with Trump wanting to dismantle NATO?

Why does he want to arm Japan with nukes and a standing army so it can continue to escalate tensions with China over the Senkaku Islands?

It's China who are escalating tensions, not Japan.The motherfuckers want the whole south China sea.

What's up with Trump wanting to dismantle NATO?

Nothing*. Hillary fear-mongering. Trump said NATO members need to pay their 2% of GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

Members' defence spending is supposed to amount to 2% of GDP.

Look up the % of GDP spending here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Even Obama confirmed that Trump is ok with NATO:

Obama told reporters that Trump "expressed a great interest in maintaining our core strategic relationships" when they spoke last week at the White House.

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And whether he knew it or not, on one point, Trump was almost cribbing directly from Obama’s notebook when he said this:

“Our allies must contribute toward their financial, political and human costs — have to do it — of our tremendous security burden. But many of them are simply not doing so. They look at the United States as weak and forgiving, and feel no obligation to honor their agreements with us. In NATO, for instance, only four of 28 other member countries, besides America, are spending the minimum required 2 percent of GDP on defense. We have spent trillions of dollars over time on planes, missiles, ships, equipment, building up our military to provide a strong defense for Europe and Asia. The countries we are defending must pay for the cost of this defense. And if not, the U.S. must be prepared to let these countries defend themselves.”

Strong words — that fit right in line with what Obama said in his speech to Europeans last week in Hanover, Germany (emphasis added):

“We need to stay nimble, and make sure our forces are interoperable, and invest in new capabilities like cyber defense and missile defense. And that’s why every NATO member should be contributing its full share — 2 percent of GDP — toward our common security, something that doesn’t always happen. And I’ll be honest, sometimes Europe has been complacent about its own defense.”

If you want a conspiracy, here it is: Russia would love nothing more than European countries to not spend their GDP on military but be dependent on USA. All Russia would have to do then is have only one target to weaken.

Trump can fuck off with his 2% !

First of all 2% of trillions is not the same as 2% of just billions that some countries have, some countries are just too poor to afford 2%.

Secondly most of the countries even that 1%-1.5% they afford now, they use to buy weapons from USA while US uses most of those trillions to make those weapons.

3rd, it's not about the military budget only. USA gets a market for normal products, natural resources, influence, support, a theater of operations away from their land, allies and lots much more in return. Example: US company Bechtel should have made 400 km of highway in Romania with 2.5 billion euro, we ended up paying 5.6 billion euros for 62 km. That's the military budget for 3 years.

He isolationist. There's no money in mutually assured destruction. Russia's successes can be shared. China is the true enemy now. Japan has to be the bulwark against that threat. Let then exhaust each other in a war.

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Server issue is not conclusive but certainly not potentially as nefarious as the original article implied.

And did you not read the part of my comment where I specifically said that it's not just about that issue? Anti-Trump + Russia comments have 2x the troll downvote.

Basically because we're very cognizant of your shilling. It's very transparent, doesn't matter how much you make conspiracy an echo chamber.

Conspiracy was NEVER this active before.

Found one!

Fuck off shill. If you look into my history you'd know that I have been outing conspiracies for years.

Such as the secret space program, the fact that the elite are Satanists who rape, murder, and eat babies, you know, things like that.

I went and looked at your history, actually. I got pretty absorbed in it. I can't tell if it's hilarious or terrifying. You have been calling people "shills" for 2 years. I have so many questions... and prayers... maybe some pills... what is going on in your head?

Go fuck yourself. The lies of your kind are OVER.

What do you mean "my kind"? Who are you talking to?

You're a shill. You and your handlers are who I am referencing.

Get help gentle sir.

Do you really think your shilling isn't obvious?

Do you actually believe you're doing a good job?

So long as you think I'm a shill, I'm not doing a good job of reaching out to a stranger on the internet in need. You need help.

Everyone is a shill, didn't you know? We are all here to mislead you. This is all a set up to subvert Your opinion. Nobody else here is who they say they are.

Its down-voted because of bots or creep accounts. Everyone on this sub should read The Art of Soviet Brainwashing. If a lovely library bot or humanitarian wanted to like it I'll tell them a secret

With; either or choices it was a matter of the American people picking their political coup. Vote third party ( if the world doesn't end)

The article came out, word spread, and the FBI quickly said they were done investigating. Like an hour after the article appeared. The band of FBI losers who lost their shit over Clinton Cash really effected the present and future of this country and world, damnit.

What did Trump sell to Putin?

Who cares? I'd rather see Trump selling shit to Putin than Hillary actively trying to piss him off.

I care. Cause I'm an American.

I don't believe that he's a respected member of the establishment. Even G W Bush recommended Hillary over Trump.

Trump certainly has a beef with some big banks, who apparently let him down a few times, and this might be popcorn times. His 9/11 truther ambitions ditto. If he talks just a little bit, it would be fantastic, but he might talk even much more to embarass the crooks.

I'm not so sure what to expect for his foreign politics, given that he thinks of John Bolton. Cannot be much worse than Obama though.

Because even Bush saw that Hillary was the lesser of two evils.

Trump won't end Corruption. He's lived it his whole life. Fuck at least Hillary fought to be as corrupt as she is, Trump was born to it

"Because even Bush saw that Hillary was the lesser of two evils."

You're thinking in conventional media terms. The Clintons and Bushes are close bedmates in the whole NWO conspiracy, as anyone from this sub should know.

(Strictly for the sake of playing devil's advocate) He used his wealth and power to create more wealth and power, which is the basis of capitalism. I can't fault the guy over that. But to say Bush would take "the lesser" of any evil is ridiculous. That guy was a straight up puppet that probably had (definitely had) a hand in planning and executing the largest "terrorist" attack our country has ever seen. If Bush was pro-Clinton, then that is a damn good indication that it's bad for America. Shit, if Bush said "hey jump in, the water's fine", I'd probably toss a match in first just to make sure it wasn't gasoline and scan the tree line to make sure Chaney wasn't around with a blow torch.

Get off it. Hillary and Bush are in the same club. They don't think about "the lesser of two evils". That's a line for us masses. Either Bush voted against Trump because he's not in the club, or because they want us to think he's not in the club. It has nothing to do with who they think is evil.

How the fuck is Donald not "in the club" ??? Clearly they both are. What delusions are people under that suddenly just "a man of the people" despite an entire lifetime of being a corrupt billionaire?

Neither you nor I know how to get into the club but I don't think it's just by having lots and lots of money. Also, I'm guessing there is more than one faction. Their are certainly nuances of the social structure of the shadow elite that we are unaware of.

If Hillary goes down for any of her crimes, it sets a president that can be used to prosecute Bush. That is why he supported Hillary...

We have played the lesser of two evils game for so long that this was bound to happen. Sadly, neither reps or dems can pull their heads out of their asses so this is what we get. Until people start accepting that they aren't going to get a good candidate by voting the lesser of two evils, the escalator to hell will keep pressing on.

Yup, you guys elected this idiot now you're going to have to live with John Bolton and Giuliani running the show. Fucking morons.

Michael Bolton you say? 🤔 ok, let's do this America!

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An anti-establishment candidate that was actually anti-establishment?

The reason he not was a favorite among the elite was because they didn't trust his policies, not because he not was one of them.

he not was one of them.

Define "them"

Lizards

"They"--the NWO crowd linked to the Council of Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, etc. Not just any billionaire.

The man got by far the most press over all the other candidates from day 1. If the media pushes him that hard, there is no way that he isn't part of the establishment.

The media that dogpiled 24/7 for months on end about what a racist, misogynist, sexist, xenophobic torture monger he is?

"Any publicity is good publicity."

Yeah, if you're trying to sell records...

Because the election goes on for months on end and he's a shitpile of a human being.

Check this email's attachment: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

Clinton's camp purposely "elevated" Trump during the Republican primaries so that he would be the "pied piper" candidate. He was set up to be knocked down. Reflecting back on how I perceived him as a candidate 5 months ago, I think that strategy was working. Obviously, we now know it was a major mistake.

After he secured the leadership, that media coverage has been nearly 100% hostile to Trump. You'd have to perform some serious mental gymnastics to argue that the goal of their coverage was to propel him to victory. I actually still think the whole Trump phenomenon is ridiculous, but the Democrats are just reaping the whirlwind here.

You have to keep the thought in the back of your mind that even the release of the emails may be part of their game. Trump would not be where he is without support from at least some of the truly powerful people.

You're totally right, and I recognize that prospect. Ultimately, making a firm decision on this issue (is Donald just part of the master plan?) is almost impossible because there's still too much we don't know. I'm trying to stay open to optimistic scenarios, too, just so that I don't get too down thinking about the whole thing. (I'm recognizing my own psych. bias here.)

Billionaires like other billionaires

And by the same measure if they wanted an easy win for Clinton, why did they cover the emails non-stop between each outrage caused by Trump?

who apparently let him down a few times,

They don't trust him to run a business with their money.

Trump certainly has a beef with some big banks, who apparently let him down a few times

I've never heard about this...what are we talking about?

I think him not being respected by his fellow establishment members was a significant reason why he ran. He's so petty about personal slights, this is the ultimate "I'll show them". But the thing is, they still dont respect him and if he does a poor he'll die being even more of a joke among that group.

His advisers may make him keep his hands to himself, but they can't make him keep his mouth to himself. He can't open it without offending someone. And that half-assed "Stop it," he said on 60 Minutes was soooo heartfelt. Where is the "If you support me, you will not behave in a way that endangers another human being"? Nowhere.

He just nominated career criminal Jose Rodriguez as new director of the CIA.

Doesn't his career sound like Ricky Prado from Evan Wright’s "How to Get Away With Murder in America"? A few details and name changed, otherwise very similar.

Even G W Bush recommended Hillary over Trump.

Prescott Bush supported Hitler at risk (yeah right) of being tried for treason. What's your point?

Honestly I never understood the Trump love around here beyond his support for Alex Jones.

Conspiritard finally figured out an in around here. I'm disappointed it worked so well.

Do you like Alex Jones?

No, beyond his segment in Waking Life. I think he's either an idiot, or more likely someone who makes things up to push his brand. He knows if there wasn't some big conspiracy behind an attack/event no one would tune into his show or bother checking Infowars.

But regardless, I understand that people around here do like him. I just don't think they should follow and trust Trump because he has Jones' approval.

Thank God I thought I was the only one that knows Alex Jones is a lying psychopath enriching himself on others fear, and so is Donald.

Please make /r/conspiracy great again, expose the corruption of Trump and lies of Jones.

There are people in this sub who legitimately believe the youtube videos about him being Bill Hicks with surgery.

Jones doesn't have 1% of the intellect that Bill Hicks had.

and even less of the empathy he had for our species

LOL I've never seen anyone here make that claim.. but i have heard of it before.. on his show.

i was arguing with someone else. they offered no proof but some youtube links.

Sub has 300,000 subscribers. There's also users in this sub that think you're an idiot

as expected

Breitbart and Alex Jones are not /r/conspiracy material, as you've said. Independent investigation is far more useful. Rather than spammed with politics articles simply becuase they're censored on /r/politics we should really be full-on collaborating with /r/pizzagate rn.

Gotta plug pizzagate wherever possible, or else people will forget. /s

Oh I won't forget, I'll never let you people forget...

Because it's fucking hilarious

I should have included a /s, I think it's hilarious as well.

Can we start a new subreddit? /r/trueconspiracy?

I'm a frequent member of /r/conspiratard and /r/TopMinds because of the constant stream of shit that comes out of this and related subreddits.

I'm a VERY skeptical person when it comes to authority, and I wish there was a legitimate subreddit to discuss these issues without going into the retard territory.

And its not like there is any lack of content. Just Wikileaks, Snowden leaks and Panama Leaks show how corrupt world governments are.

Well there is /r/actualconspiracy or conspiracies whichever.

That requires a credible source. Much more after the fact, less speculative.

Honestly, the Trump supporters in /conspiracy should know to question him now that he's won the election. All of you should know that TPTB wouldn't let him win unless he serves their goals. The only thing that can vindicate him now is an assassination. If he isn't killed during his presidency, we should all know who he was really working for the whole time.

Can't... tell if you're joking or not.

Whichever one helps you sleep at night, friend.

You're really saying that any president who survives his term is "part of the system maaaaan"

Does it really seem that crazy to you? If you accept that their is likely a global behind the scenes power structure doesn't it naturally follow that they would likely have their hands in the leadership of the most powerful nation on the planet? Or do you really believe that one ex marine with with access to a book depository was responsible for killing the leader of the free world?

Who said I accept that there is a "global behind the scenes power structure?" The power structure is right out in the goddamn open. Massive political parties funded and controlled by wealthy special interests.

People just want to believe it's something more sinister and all-powerful because it absolves them of responsibility. We're not lazy and apathetic - we're hopelessly outmatched! Stop it.

Jones is cointelpro controlled opposition

Honestly maybe. Mate he got into something Real with bohemian Grove so they gave him an offer.

Or maybe he got into something Real, so they feed him stupid shit to see what he'll spread,, and it worked?

Who knows

Make /r/conspiracy of exposing George soros

>Please make /r/conspiracy great again, expose the corruption of Trump and lies of Jones.

Expose what corruption? You have no evidence of Trumps corruption just blindly following the media's propoganda?

Oh my god are you serious? There's evidence against Hillary, because of wikileaks. Even without wikileaks, there's more against Trump. I can't even imagine if someone dug deep.

Have you not even TRIED to find problems with him? He admitted to not paying taxes through loopholes. He admits to not paying contractors after they've done the work. He didn't ever pay those singing American Trump girls at his rally, or his polling company. He's had over three thousand lawsuits, many regarding unethical business or not renting to minorities. TRUMP FUCKING UNIVERSITY.

lol, gross exaggerations. Trump univeristy gave seminars on real estate, what was corrupt about it? You have nothing kid.

How does Trump have more corruption then Hillary who received $25,000,000.00 from Saudi Arabi. Her campaign was funded by foreign entities, which is a crime. Fucking muslims that behead and stone women and still have slaves shouldn't be electing the US president.

Hillary Clinton stole millions from the Hatians and she should be in prison 10 years for every child that has died due to her charity theft.

It's obvious you are still a child since you have never filed taxes before. You are telling me that you don't claim any reductions on your taxes? Trump claimed losses and you think he paid 0 taxes? Are you retarded? Do you know what PROPORTY TAXES are? Obviously you don't need to pay those for your moms basement.

Sigh.

So some of that is true. But you accuse me of exaggerating then quote facts from fake news. If you can find any if that in the leaked emails, that'd be great. Yes the foundation took money from SA, that's bullshit. The rest... exaggerated...

But now you have to defend Trump WITHOUT just saying how bad Hillary is. So go ahead and do that.

Also ad homonym attacks make you look stupid. And ironically young. Like you need to ask your parents what taxes are.

No, beyond his segment in Waking Life.

Oh shit! I had no idea that was him. Don't really follow him at all but I love that film.

Would you believe he's screaming on a bull horn about the government?

Just looked up the clip on YouTube, basically exactly what I expected from my minimal knowledge of who he is. I really like the clip, though; guess it's time to rewatch Waking Life :D

also, from the YouTube comments:

Fun fact: He actually turns those colors in real life when he rants.

He's in Linklater's first film Slacker, too.

Idk why anyone could give that guy any time. Glad to hear some sense though :)

Alex Jones is an idiot.

Wait what he was in Waking Life? Which dude was he?

Holy shit he was the dude yelling in the car with the megaphone.

He's not a true conspiracy theorist, he just plays one in movies.

Jones is a moron

Phew!

If you want to understand the Trump love, read this transcript of his, less than a month before the election. Trump was speaking our language. Sure, he was doing it to gain power, and he likely has no interest in rocking the boat in a meaningful way. But, I think it was music to a lot of our ears to hear a candidate talking about broad-reaching establishment corruption by the upper class with the pure goal of gaining further enrichment.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/remarks-on-the-clinton-campaign-of-destruction

"Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People."

WTF? He's planning on appointing RNC and Wall Street cronies to top positions.

I don't mind the idea of changing corruption of the upper class. I'd welcome it. But Trump seems like the last guy to do it. I hope I'm proven wrong.

He is the last guy to do it but somehow 50 million people were convinced he's "the people's" candidate.

You can fool all of the people some of the time.

I think a large chunk of them were convinced that Hillary wasn't the people's candidate... not so much pro-trump but anti-hillary.

The word "conman" gets thrown around a lot, and I'll reserve judgement for Donald. I do think, though, he's great at getting what he wants, and making you think that it's what you wanted as well. And, much like Obama, what Trump says =/ what Trump does.

The word "conman" gets thrown around a lot, and I'll reserve judgement for Donald.

Just lol.

Guy hasn't conned anyone as a president yet.

He is conning the everliving fuck out of his own voter base right this minute with the establishment line-up he's forming his cabinet with.

Give me a fucking break.

If all of you were simple Republican mainstays all this time, then own up to that.

Hey, all I wanted to do was not call the man an insult. He's shady and I'm a Green Party member.

I hope I'm proven wrong.

I think you're going to be saying this for the next four years lol

Trump has proven he'll say just about anything, though. How many of his key campaign goals has he changed his mind on? Not that it's wrong to change your mind, but he's flipped on a lot of issues, much like Clinton.

For me, the big question mark is still "why?" Clinton could be read like a book. Sure, you're against TPP after Sanders supporters show it's a big reason why they're supporting Bernie. You're just going to support it again after you're not accountable to them anymore.

With Trump, though? Who knows what behind-closed-doors conversations he's been having? Who knows what his biggest priorities are? Business, and specifically real estate, is his only obvious influence. He's going to come out of this presidency worth at least 50% more than he is now.

He has proven he's an incredibly smart guy. He played the establishment like a goddamn fiddle.

That stuff where he deliberately got the media to hack his voicemail and release them, only to have the entirety be full of accolades from celebrities et al about his charity work.

The guy doesn't build a billion-dollar business by being nearly as much of an idiot as people say.

And the narrative that his campaign was run by incompetents was just simply false.

It's funny people are making a big deal about him refusing the President salary, when he's supposed to have billions (or at least hundreds of millions) tied up in real estate.

If he gets real estate values to go up 10% during his Presidency he'd make millions more than the paltry 400k salary. Not to mention things of non-monetary value like helping draft laws that give more bailout guarantees to big business or reduce his liability to pay taxes or damages in lawsuits. None of which will get as big a headline as "Trump takes $1 salary".

We already know Trump is a big fan of gaming the tax system to his benefit (claimed countless corporate "bankruptcies" to avoid debts and tax). The idea he would want to clean all that up after a lifetime of taking advantage of it is unbelievably gullible.

Question is how long can he carry on business as usual with all the Washington insiders and corporate elites he's surrounding himself with before his supporters realize it.

He also flips literally within weeks or days on issues. And then denies ever having said the thing that he's on record saying. Everyone flips, but people were fucking digging up hillary's high school political views among other (more recent and relevant) things.

Zizek explains the differences very well. And the Bush establishment advocated for Hillary, not Trump.

The Bush establishment and establishment guys of his era are currently on their way to Trump's cabinet. People behind Bush and those like him, whether or not Bush personally supports him.

Ehhh, Bannon is just a less-slimy Karl Rove, Priebus is an establishment shitwad who will do exactly what we expect, and yet Conway isn't a moron at all and shows she shouldn't be taken lightly.

If you provide sources for your statement I'll do for mine on top of that Zizek video.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/20/george-h-w-bush-voting-for-hillary-claims-member-of-kennedy-family

EDIT http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/ just search for Bush, and 90% comes out NAY, from his secretary, to his strategist, to his relatives, all are anti trump.

I'm not the OP you wanted sources from, but here are a couple showing the swath of Republican insiders on Trump's Cabinet, ie. the swamp rats in his "drained swamp" and many of which are staunch Bush era hooligans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37931552

Reince Priebus, Chris Christie, Jeff Sessions, Rudi Giuliani, Steven Mnuchin...yeah, sounds like a real swamp draining there. What a complete farce. Insiders, insiders everywhere.

And you know, the one making me laugh the hardest at the backflips it's going to induce in delusional Trump supporters is Steven Mnuchin. 16 years at Goldman Sachs...16 years as a Wall Street insider at one of the most corrupt banking corporations which crippled the US in '07 and caused the very money crunch that Trump has referenced at every turn to fire up the working class. How exactly can Trump supporters still claim Trump is the anti-corruption candidate with a Cabinet containing Steve Mnuchin at the head of the Treasury? It's fucking insane.

That's pretty strange indeed, thanks for providing the info, unlike some >_>

Well, first of all, W says he's abstaining. Is Cheney's "yea" not a red flag, though?

Trump's hinted at people like Bolton, Palin, and Gringrich. Not to mention making Priebus his chief of staff, who essentially IS the current republican establishment.

We were talking about the Bush Administration... can't keep up on my phone if you keep hopping from one subject to another, and on top of that downing my comment, says it all.

I'm not saying literally Bush's cabinet 2017 edition (though some may come back). But guys like Gingrich are some of the most establishment republican politicians of that era.

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Are you fucking kidding me?

Trump university scam? Chinese steel? Stiffing contractors? Bribing attorneys? Misuse of Trump foundation funds? Possible sexual assaults? The "locker room talk" tape? His bizarre statements made about his own daughter on the Howard Stern show? His time hanging out with Epstein?

Theres a list a god damned mile long of Trumps bizarre, shady, and corrupt actions. But you wouldn't know it if you were relying on this sub for your news the last 6 months.

Yeah the problem with that is the media jumped from one thing to another because there was so much and they were focused on talking points. If they really wanted maximum impact, they had to dig into it but they didn't spend nearly as much time as they should have really "exploring" it like we all explored the Clinton email case and had hours of testimony & legal documents which were FAR more informative than a news broadcast.

Yeah, it's bizarre to think that he probably would have been worse off if there were fewer bad things that came out about him.

Just goes to show that when you machine-gun things like they did without really covering the impact, it doesn't sink in. I said all along Wikileaks's method of building a story & being persistent (even on weekends) was really effective. They leaked the first emails in chains first, then next, then next, until you hit Pizzagate shit, Brazile shit, etc.

I guess I could go back to Benghazi (which IMO still has not been fully delved into specifically the Marc Turi connection - real /r/conspiracy material) as something that was drawn out so heavily, so much detail as to the misconduct, that it left a mark on people like the email scandal did.

Stiffing contractors?

Now he stiffed hillary. haha

Yeah but those were uncovered by bloggers at the New York Times. Call me when the respected journalists at Breitbart comment.

The Russian emails, child molestation, sexual harassment, dodging the draft, dodging taxes, the trump university scam. Let's just say there's been a little dirt dug up already.

Better the devil you know than the devil you dont.

You'll definitely want to read this investigation of some of his funding, data mining op, and Super-Pac.

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The only reason this sub "loved" Trump is because the MSM was so unbelievably biased and astroturfed that we had to get "Truth" (read: the other side of things) from here or /r/the_donald or other places like infowars.

It was so libtarded to the point that Fox News even started making sense, and i grew up with their propganda during the 2000s

I believe Clinton is corrupt too, but the major difference I've seen between him and Clinton this election is that we've barely seen ANYTHING about Trump's behind-the-scenes dealings. We've been fortunate enough to explore massive investigations against Clinton, look at her and her foundation's financial records, see thousands of leaked and released emails, but we can't even see Trump's tax returns. I really don't like that there's some kind of assumption he's clean when he should be an obviously shady character and we know little beyond what he tells us.

There's a metric fuckton of dirt on Trump too, but it never gets talked about in this subreddit.

For instance, there's far more concrete evidence for Trump engaging in pay-for-play with Florida AG Pam Bondi than there is for the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play, but all /r/conspiracy wants to talk about is the latter. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this to dismiss Clinton Foundation issues. The Foundation is shady as fuck for sure. But regardless, the time devoted to each issue in this sub is completely out of whack with the strength of evidence in each case.

Here's another example: people in this sub were dredging up two decade old sexual assault allegations on Bill Clinton that have been resolved out of court, and simultaneously turning a complete blind eye to the multiple sexual assault allegations levied at Trump right now, which are in fact supported by Trump's own words captured on tape/video. Again, not trying to dismiss Bill Clinton's misconduct. He's obviously a predator. But time devoted to each issue in this sub is, again, completely out of whack with the strength of evidence in each case.

The point being that there was no semblance of truth or non-partisanship in /r/conspiracy for the last 10+ months. This place turned into /r/the_donald 2.0. And frankly, despite this post being on the front page, it's still mostly the same as before. Clinton lost the election and is no longer relevant in US politics, but people are still focusing on her instead of discussing the multitude of legitimate concerns following our current President-elect.

Which is why I can't take this place seriously anymore. I'm done. It has become what it used to hate -- gullible group-thinkers, useful idiots being manipulated by the powerful.

Trump isn't black.

Mainly because he is standing up against one of the realest TPTB candidates George fucking Soros.

Honestly I never understood the Trump love around here beyond his support for Alex Jones Bill Hicks.

FTFY

IIRC Assange said they have nothing more damaging on Trump than what already comes out of his mouth.

Honestly I never understood the Trump love around here beyond his support for Alex Jones.

I'll tell you why. He says he will attempt to clean up corruption in Washington. Simple as that for me.

It's because Trump appears like he WAS an insider, not that he IS one.

The assumption was that he knows things the rest of us are not privy to and resisted because of them.

There's hope that he'll tell us more when he can.

It's still too early to know if he's gonna screw us over.

But he doesn't seem to really "conspire". He's VERY WYSIWYG....

I don't get the sense that he has this hidden agenda he's trying to foist on us. I mean he's going to pretty much say something and then do it. And if he changes his mind on it, he'll tell us and do something different - but he won't hide it.

What does it matter about Trumps back door dealings. He wasn't a politician his whole life influencing law making and sending troops to fight his wars. There's a difference and people seem to blur the lines. Yeah I can agree, this sub is not meant for promoting a candidate but it just irks me.

Why I like Trump is because hes not afraid, or as afraid, to speak his own thoughts. For example he was interviewed on 9/11 there he said he couldbt understand how only one plane to each of the building could make them collapse, generel meaning i got. He seems to disagree to the political correctness.

Also FBI anon seemed to say there was little dirt on Trump.

Tax returns arent that important to me since i dont know if hillary has herself released hers.

I believe even though Trump is a billionare/at least rich he has a patriotic feel for his country.

I wish also to know if the title of nobility actually was completly ratified

He really seems to care about his supporters, has multiple rallies, tries to listen to some of their ideas, making an application for job website for his, either transistion team or administration, or both, or they are the same.

People critizise him for getting money from his father, then goes and builds a large organization

Hes a time traveller conspiracy. He has connection to Nicola Tesla through his uncle

Some of the reasons i could think of, for why i like trump

I also took a liking to Ron Paul and Trump seems like the closest republican in my eyes

Alex Jones calls people demons and sounds like an ex church pastor who has drinking problems.

His run for Pres was first, revenge against Obama for making fun of Trump. His ego can't take any bruising because he is like a 13 year old girl. Second, now he has to do this job. He has no clue how to do it, and he hasn't spent any time up till now trying to learn. You can't tweet a recession or a Hurricane away.

If he took a salary as president, would he be required to open his taxes?

The Donald love is real. The media and Reddit bashed him so hard it was unbelievable, there was nothing I could of said or done to make him look worse. You know why I love Donald Trump? Reddit made me love him. Reddits Hilary CircleJerk is to blame

It just amazes me that so many DT supporters who claim to be all about draining the swamp and taking big money influence out of politics don't seem to realise that when he says things like "I have top guys advising me on the issue" the top guys he's referring to are the exact same super-rich, politically motivated billionaires that already manipulate Washington. If you think Trump is getting his advice on jobs from anyone other than the same industry leaders destroying the job market then you're deluding yourself.

So are you guys conspiracy nuts or progressives? Because everything I'm hearing sounds a lot like what Bernie stands for.

trump love around here

Hired shills.

I mean, this sub was nothing but a Hillary hate train for most of the year leading up to the election, and apparently only realized that the guy who actually got elected is as bad or worse when it comes to covering up corruption and shady shit.

I think it's b/c Trump admits him being an elite lobbyist whose job was to be 'friends' with people. Hillary meanwhile pretends to be an innocent angel while, ironically, calling allegations against conspiracy theories.

There's enough information out there, if you're willing to look for it, that shows Trump is a corrupt businessman.

If you trust Alex Jones too much, it probably means you're not getting the full spectrum of information that's out there... And what he's selling is a mixture of truth and conspiracy theory...

And you can't tell which is which until a long time later - and then it either won't be mentioned again or he'll make up new conspiracy theories to explain why events didn't happen that he predicted.

believe Clinton is corrupt too, but the major difference I've seen between him and Clinton this election is that we've barely seen ANYTHING about Trump's behind-the-scenes dealings. We've been fortunate enough to explore massive investigations against Clinton, look at her and her foundation's financial records, see thousands of leaked and released emails, but we can't even see Trump's tax returns. I really don't like that there's some kind of assumption he's clean when he should be an obviously shady character and we know little beyond what he tells us.

This. People point out that Trump is better because of all of the dirt on Hilary. The reason for this is she is a politician and no matter how good a politician hides their less scrupulous dealings, there will ALWAYS be a paper trail because they are a civil servant.

Trump, like many billionaires, have no civil obligations and have much more powerful means to hide even delete their shady practices. Ditto for Soros, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. At most you will find is some indirect connections,

Personally I think that even though the CTR stuff was going on during the election the pro-Russia movement was even more boisterous. But maybe I'm crazy for thinking that. I dunno seems like of there was one place to talk about outside forces trying to manipulate American politics this would be the place to do so.

There are many pieces of evidence and a lot of reasons to believe Russia was influencing Trump's campaign, whether Trump himself knew about it or not. Unfortunately, in here that always becomes "fake Clinton propaganda" or "Russia's our ally" with no one wanting to dig into it.

Not to mention the complete dismissal of Trump's possible pedo and rapist nature, while claiming everyone from low-level WH staffers to Obama himself is involved in secret satanic pedo parties.

has a primary interest in increasing his fortune and popularity

evidence?

• He's a celebrity businessman who puts his name on everything

• He enters markets he has no business being in to push his name(and usually fails)

• He creates TV shows to push his brand

• He used a political campaign to promote his businesses, including cycling campaign money back to himself through rental spaces, books, etc

• He created a foundation to make himself look like a philanthropist despite not contributing any money to it, not doing any charity work by the foundation itself, and explicitly using foundation money for personal purposes

• He threatens, and sometimes even files lawsuits against people who claim he's not as wealthy as he says he is

Trump feeds off fortune, power, and fame. He hardly has a great reputation in the business world itself. His goals are achieved through his name power and his charisma. The idea that he's running for the middle class is beyond insane, when nothing in his history suggests he has any interest in helping anyone other than himself and his associates.

Thanks

Sorry you're stupid?

I dont think anyone sees him as clean, so much as a possibility for a clean slate in our current political landscape. Being able to get away from money that drives politics is a huge deal, and one of his declared plans for his "first 100 days." Im no supporter, but its kind of easy to see how he would be fine with not utilizing his new political status for personal financial gain, when he can just leave in 4 or 8 years and go back to doing all the underhanded albeit likily legal shit he was always doing to keep on making more money than he ever could have as a politician. Unlike Bill and Hillary, who literally prey on the system to amass thier small fortune.

Because there isn't any, all Trump did was grease some palms to get his building permits through, something which is sadly part of the business.

If you think anybody at that level only greased some palms you are sadly mistaken.

That's what you have to do in construction. Anything beyond that is hypothetical, but this much we know about any construction tycoon. It is unfortunately a part of the sector, which exists because of corrupt bureaucracy, it isn't something the actual entrepreneurs are at fault for. If you want to live in this world you'll never really be able to keep your hands clean, unless you go into a monastery.

100% TRUTH!!! This sub has been driving me crazy with all this only proTrump propaganda.

t_d does this everywhere. You see it on /r/politics a lot. Their sub also blatantly uses bots and gets away with it. Most of their page is at 3-5k upvotes and 14/25 of /r/all/rising is t_d. Even if you are generous with the popular vote as a statistic of all of reddit it wouldn't account for >50% of /r/all/rising to be a specific political sub.

t_d is good conspiracy material if you ask me. Almost like some type of shady cult around Trump's personality

Yes, the weird foreign owned fake news sites that get spammed to /r/The_Donald are definitely suspect. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I doubt they bot. Spez would have detected it by now. He's not been shy about handing out sanctions to them before and botting is super easy to see.

I think it's much more likely that they are just good at manipulating the algorithm, because half of them are from 4chan.

They have some bots, but that's not really the interesting stuff... they have browser extensions / greasemonkey javascript that allows them to upvote all posts with a key press, basically.

It's almost like... manual botting. Or a much more circlejerk version of RES's upvote/downvote shortcuts.

I doubt that's true either. Not many people have greasemonkey. I think they just upvote everything manually.

I've been in pro-Trump IRC chats where they had all the users install the extension. It's real.

Here's a screenshot of what it looks like.

As the other guy said, I'm not making this up as a theory - it's been confirmed that this is something they do.

What I mean is, I doubt that is the primary thing that's responsible for the effect you see. I'm sure some of them are doing it.

Possibly - but you have to admit, being able to have the vast majority of quickly rising threads, with thousands of upvotes in just a couple hours and just a couple dozen comments, for months on end, including during times when most americans are sleeping - that's very, very suspicious.

Ehh, it's 4chan. Most people just plain don't upvote threads, they don't have to do much to manipulate that. It doesn't actually take many upvotes to put a post on /rising/. Reddit is a pretty flawed system in that regard.

Spez is a Trump supporter.

Do you honestly believe that?

He said "I support Donald Trump."

Are you referring to the one time some one ask him "Who are you voting for?"

He replied by saying both names: Hillary first and then Trump

He literally said both names to not raise any anger on either side. He also changed reddit's algorithm to gimp the_donald's ability to get on top of r/all as often. Sure is a funny way of supporting Trump.

Are you referring to the one time some one ask him "Who are you voting for?"

No, I'm not.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to source your claim, then?

Then what are you referring to.....?

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Spez is a Trump supporter.

Bull. Shit.

Correlation != Causation

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Just saying mate. No one's coming for your tinfoil.

That's fucked up. It's all right wing subs:

• /r/The_Donald

• /r/WomenForTrump

• /r/Libertarian

• /r/Le_Pen

Are they sharing bots or something?

You think the literal nexus of rebellion against the site's admins, and leftist mod cult could get away with anything BUT 100% legit by-the-rules voting?

They will use any excuse they can get to shut t_d down, and the mods there have to walk on eggshells to follow the rules (which are constantly changing to try and keep TD from the front of /r/all)

It's sad to see how many people here aren't really critical thinkers but contrarians, after the largest populist political rejection of the elite in god knows how long.

Sorry but there is zero evidence of bots in T_D

Reddit vote system is broken

This. Exactly. This sub has been over ran by Republican workers hired by Trump's campaign to push doubt across the country. Obviously not saying that the Democrats don't need their fair share of criticism, but it's been obvious for the past 6 months especially that the majority of posts were made by hired hands to accelerate trumps campaign.

Would you say that the Trump campaign has been correcting the records?

No, they've been pushing items that are a non-conspiracy issue as conspiracy heavily on the daily. Likely hired Indian teams to work for low pay to constantly bombard this sub by pushing a conservative viewpoint.

It's not correcting the records. The other piece is that trumps campaign constantly says the media is owned by liberals and that they need to "level the playing field"... this is a blatant mistruth, as 90% of the media is owned by conservatives. By saying the opposite, the conservative campaign is using a sales tactic known as "placing blame on them, to take that focus off of you." It's when you know they can easily make a negative point about yourself and before they do you blame them for having this negative attribute. You see this tactic uses many times in arguments, you know the person is going to be called a liar or that they 'don't care', but before they do they will blame that reason on the other person -then the other party will feel like their not fighting fair if they say, "no that's you!" I've seen the Trump campaign use this tactic over and over.

I'm pretty liberal, and I think we all can agree that it's pretty fucked up when banks have too much power and influence and media is too close to government.

And that's exactly what he's doing right now.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/08/trump-transition-lobbyists/

We've all been told to 'follow the money' to find out more. The breadcrumb trail is so short with him we can literally see him dumping ahead of us and people are celebrating on Facebook like he's Santa Claus.

Trump for America Inc., a nonprofit group chaired by Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J., to oversee the Trump transition, has quietly moved ahead, meeting with interest groups and reaching out to lobbyists to plan a future Trump administration.

Christie is no longer a part of the transition team, article is factually incorrect.

Please stop spreading misinformation

Ok, because one fact changes every other fact doesn't count.

Look at his transition team. It's corporate lobbyists, giant banks, wall st insiders and career politicians.

You really think these are the people who are going to change anything?

You know what they want. I know what they want. More money for them and less for us.

You expect him to hire a barista to manage a transition for the most powerful office in existence?

The shitlibs/leftist idiots on here are ready to crucify him based on nothing more than hiring decisions.

How about you grow a spine and attack him on ACTIONS and POLICY... is is waiting a few months too much to ask?

Maybe some economists? Some Nobel Prize winners? Anyone but greedy corporate CEO's?

These CEO's already shipped millions of American jobs overseas and destroyed our economy less then a decade ago.

Why the hell would these rich, corrupt lobbyists and banks suddenly turn around and help the same American people they've been fucking over for profit for decades?

There's no morality in corporate America today. They only care about one thing: bigger profits.

You're deluded if you think otherwise.

Genetic fallacy.

Watch and see what they do

Jeffrey Epstein?

Who's JE?

What / who is JE?

Ditto on the thanks OP.

Who is JE?

What is JE?

Agreed. Plus he didn't leave me any presents and I was told there would be presents on my doorstep as soon as he won. Dudes a liar. It's been nearly a week and no presents.

This is what I tried to say by asking with sub is just right wing. Tbanks .

Quick question: "JE"?

Congards on replying to a bot.

A friend of JE is never a friend of mine, bunch of slimy fucks.

is JE Epstein? I read something about Donald kicking him out of his club for some kind of unacceptable behavior with a staff member. I don't think they have been friends since.

I mean, they may not be on good terms now. But they definitely did some things that Trump has yet to be held accountable for.

http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083

Not that what happened to JE was by any means accountability.

that case was unsurprisingly dropped.

I put zero stock in any kind of accusations of that nature that just so happen to come to light just before an election.

Downvote and report as necessary. Make the mods step up

Not to mention, now that he will be the president, he is the ULTIMATE TPTB. Any government conspiracies from now on are going to implicate him until he's gone. So if they want to be able to say he's innocent, they should agitate for him for leave or be forced out of office.

As a noob, what JE?

Look at the bigger picture. Their stuff aligned with ours. Naturally many of them will stop frequenting here.

I find this post dramatic at best

Who is JE?

So you guys spammed about Trump and how great he was for 10 months and NOW you have an issue with him and realize what kind of person he is? So many people saw this kind of shit coming from miles away and people act surprised. It's ridiculous.

Hillarys 12th cousin

And it sounds like he isn't going to go through with getting a special prosecutor to go after Clinton.

Slimier than a post-shower booger. He just doesn't want to be the president that has to tells us we are being groomed to be factory farmed my demonic celestial beings. /j

Who is JE?

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JE is Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender and pedophile kingpin. He owns an airplane, referred to as "the Lolita Express," and a private island, in addition to numerous homes. It has long been alleged by numerous highly-credible sources that child prostitutes were brought to Epstein's "parties," attended by the rich and powerful.

Epstein's circle of friends include Trump, Bill Clinton, Edward and Evelyn de Rothschild, Queen Elizabeth II, David Rockefeller, Prince Andrew, Duchess Sarah Ferguson, Edgar Bronfman, Henry Kissinger, Peter Soros (George's son), Viscount William Astor, Ted Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, John Kerry, Tony Blair, Jose Aznar, Richard Branson, Alan Dershowitz, Michael Bloomberg, Rupert Murdoch, Ed Koch, Ehud Barak, Kevin Spacey, Michael Jackson, Mick Jagger, Courtney Love and many others.

All of them appear in his infamous "little black book," which was leaked and can be read here.

The reality is that there are pedophile networks operating in every nation at every level of society and in virtually every walk of life. These networks are largely intertwined and a part of a larger international structure under the control of the same elements that are in control global drug and arms traffic, both underground trades repeatedly shown to be inextricably tied to human trafficking operations.

It would appear based on his address book alone that Epstein's ring is at the pinnacle of this global network. The unique concentration of the world's most powerful, closely-interlocked families - Rothschild, Bronfman, Astor, Kennedy, Rockefeller and Windsor - makes that clear.

Here is how Trump has described Epstein, convicted of multiple counts of sexual assault against children:

""I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, he's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life.""

Epstein and Trump certainly appeared to be close:

Epstein created a number of other odd categories, including one called "Jeffrey." There were dozens of names in the Jeffrey category, including Ehud Barak, Alan Dershowitz, then–Senator John Kerry, former senator and lobbyist George Mitchell, powerhouse DC lobbyist Thomas Quinn, and David Rockefeller.

Trump was also listed in this section. Under his name were 14 phone numbers, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump's security guard and houseman.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton

Either you don't know or conveniently omitted the fact that trump banned epstein for life from his club that epstein attended proceeding inappropriate behavior.

https://www.google.com/amp/radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jeffrey-epstein-sex-slave-lawyer-donald-trump-accusations/amp/

I'm not going to stand here and defend trump, but if you're going to present a story make sure you've got most of the facts right.

This claim is merely sourced to their "investigation" and the only sources they quote are Trump's attorneys, legally obligated to represent his best interests, and an unnamed "associate" of Trump. Furthermore, their claim that Trump and Epstein "had no relationship" directly conflicts with the evidence in Epstein's address book and with Trump's own statements about their fifteen-year friendship.

You should keep in mind that Radar Online is a tabloid that has relentlessly supported Trump in the same way many other establishment publications have been backing Hillary Clinton. In its early days, it was actually partly-financed by Epstein himself.

Around 2011-2012, Radar Online was purchased by American Media, headed by Trump's close friend David J. Pecker.

American Media also publishes The National Enquirer, which enthusiastically supported and endorsed Trump, and which leaked the information about Ted Cruz's extramarital affairs. After ownership of Radar Online passed to American Media, its founding staff and editors were reportedly fired and replaced with Enquirer personnel.

It's interesting to note that the Enquirer was founded by a CIA psychological warfare specialist and financed by Frank Costello, the head of the Luciano crime family, and Roy Cohn, Chief Counsel for the House Un-American Activites Committee. Trump has maintained a lifelong association with the Mafia. Cohn, who sat on the advisory board of the Western Goals Foundation, was Trump's mentor.

Instead of looking for complementary or disputing sources you've attacked the one source. I chose the top result out of dozens that all say the same thing. Please provide evidence that epstein still maintains a relationship with trump.

I gave you background on Radar because it is not simply relaying information from other sources but citing its own investigation as the source for the claim that Epstein and Trump no longer had a relationship.

I did find reference to a 2007 article in the New York Post reporting that Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago. However, this was publicly announced weeks after he had plead guilty to sexual crimes against children and so it's likely this was simply for optics.

If they really had no relationship, why did he still have fourteen numbers for Trump in his address book?

Furthermore, Epstein isn't the only member of Trump's circle who has been directly implicated in organized pedophile operations.

From The Franklin Cover-up by John DeCamp:

Gray's associate Wilson was apparently continuing the work of a reported collaborator of Gray from the 1950s -- McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn, now dead of AIDs. According to the former head of the vice squad for one of America's biggest cities, "Cohn's job was to run the little boys. Say you had an admiral, a general, a congressman, who did not want to go along with the program. Cohn's job was to set them up, then they would go along. Cohn told me that himself."

https://web.archive.org/web/20101112143235/http://www.american-buddha.com/franklincoverup.13.htm

From the Washington Times:

[A businessman] described Mr. [Craig] Spence [operator of the D.C. 'call boy' ring] as "strange," saying that he often boasted that he was working for the CIA... Mr. Spence told him that the CIA might "doublecross him," however, and kill him instead "and then to make it look like a suicide." The businessman also said he attended a birthday bash for Roy Cohn at Mr. Spence's house. He said Mr. Casey was at the party."

https://isgp-studies.com/belgian-x-dossiers-of-the-dutroux-affair#USconnection

From the Straight Dope:

Ms. Rosenstiel claimed that in 1958 she and her husband went to a party at a New York hotel, where they met Hoover and McCarthy witch-hunt lawyer Roy Cohn. Hoover, whom Cohn introduced as "Mary," was supposedly wearing a wig, a black dress, lace stockings, and high heels. Hoover went into a bedroom, took off his skirt to reveal a garter belt, and had a couple of blond boys — one wearing rubber gloves — "work on him with their hands." Cohn and Hoover then watched while Lewis Rosenstiel had sex with the boys.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser

Rudy Giuliani, who is currently being considered for Secretary of State, headed the "investigation" of the pedophile operations at the prestigious U.S. Military Academy. Despite overwhelming evidence, Giuliani did not secure a single indictment and in fact facilitated the protection of the ring:

The West Point case, among others, was alleged to be linked to the Presidio case. As The Times Herald Record reported in June 1991, the "incidents [at the West Point Child Development Center] unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a military base in San Francisco, parents charged." The case first broke in July 1984, when a three-year-old girl found herself in the emergency room of the West Point Hospital with a lacerated vagina. She told the examining physician that a teacher at the daycare center had hurt her. The next month, the parents of another child leveled accusations of abuse at the center. As the Mercury News reported, "by the end of the year, 50 children had been interviewed by investigators. Children at West Point told stories that would become horrifyingly familiar. They said they had been ritually abused. They said they had had excrement smeared on their bodies and been forced to eat feces and drink urine. They said they were taken away from the day care center and photographed."

Despite abundant medical and psychological evidence and literally dozens of child witnesses, and despite "950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation," the investigation, "led by former U.S. Attorney [and future mayor] Rudolph Giuliani" produced "no federal grand jury indictments," according to the Herald Record. "In 1987, Giuliani said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were abused." Giuliani's contention was directly contradicted by an independent investigation, as the Herald report divulged: "a still-secret, independent report - produced by one of the nation's top experts on child sexual abuse - confirms the children's accusations of abuse."

www.real-debt-elimination.com/child_protection/child_sexual_abuse_at_the_Presidio_and_Westpoint.htm

It would later emerge that one of Giuliani's "oldest friends" is Fr. Alan Placa, a Catholic priest implicated in pedophile operations:

Rudy Giuliani's consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, has for years employed a Catholic priest who was accused by a grand jury of orchestrating the over-up of nearly 60 separate molestations allegation -- a priest who allegedly partook of the activities himself. The priest, Alan Placa, is one of Giuliani's oldest friends; in turn, Giuliani has become Placa's highest-profile defender.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/06/giuliani-remains-loyal-to-a-priest-accused-of-molesting-boys-and-a-cover-up/49842/

blocks ears LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

This same network was about to blow wide open when the Saville scandal was unraveling. I lost track of it so I don't remember what happened. If it was all pinned on Saville as a loner or someone else took the scapegoat.

JE-WS. That's what this whole sub is about bro.

(I'm just kidding. He's talking about Jeff Epstein the known pedophile)

Donald Trump vs The Establishment

You can't be serious

We don't need to promote our candidate, our candidate won.

That aside, if people are circle jerking about Trump, move them along, we have a sub for Trump.

I think Trumps connection to JE is tenuous at best and as far as rich assholes go...Trumps probably one of the better examples of tolerable rich assholes.

We shall see how it all goes, that aside...keep fighting the good fight.

Nope, now you enter the "spin all the dumb shit he says/does as fast and hard as you possibly can" stage.

You thought you were busy before???

JE?

Not ours, but yours. /r/conspiracy didnt have a candidate.

Point made. Though you might end up surprised in the long run.

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Annnnnd case in point

We're all supposed to be here for TRUTH, which is a nonpartisan concept.

I mean it's a little too late for that. It's been a Donald Trump circle jerk on here for about 10 months.

He was an outsider (relative to hillary) for 10 months. Now he's not, and should probably go.

They say that's why the Tea Party died, as soon as their candidates got into office they became the enemy, because they were now the incumbents, and the Tea Party hated incumbents.

I don't think that's true. Here's my understanding as a former Ron Paul fanatic;

1. Ron Paul brings about a grassroots liberty movement in 2008 election

2. Establishment says "yeah fuck that" and snuffs Dr. paul

3. Establishment quells the anger and capitalizes on the fervor by creating the "tea party"...except that it's no longer a libertarian movement, it's a right-wing """small government""" wing of the GOP.

4. Fill the tea party with existing GOP politicians

5. ???

6. Tyranny!

I'm watching the return of r/sanders_for_president for this exact scenario. The DNC is only going to co-opt without changing. /s4p movement needs to be ruthless if they're going to succeed.

s4p really fucked the Political Revolution by shutting down tho...

That was the purpose of shutting down

CTR must have paid the moderators off, clinton gets shut down = CTR gets shut down = S4P gets turned on

Or when Hillary lost, progressives realized it was an opportunity to drastically change the democratic party so they restarted s4p?

Maybe, but they also ensured that the movement (which was very reddit based) didn't get co-opted by anyone else. For instance it would have been a slap in Sanders face if the movement got co-opted by t_d the way they sort of took over other subs.

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Ron Paul = still best candidate we have had in decades!

If you're a libertarian, sure

Damn.

Rand was pretty darn good, too

I agree, i really like him

Evangelists jumped right in on the Tea Party bandwagon and fucked the whole thing.

Fuck evangelists and fuck Republicans for pandering to them for fifteen years too long.

Koch Brothers money bought the tea party.

Who did the Koch brother's support and fund under the guise of "grassroots?"

The Koch brothers founded the libertarian party...its not even remotely odd that they'd support Paul. Is every ideology wrong as soon as a rich person follows it? Or just the ones you don't agree with?

"grassroots movement" of rich white conservatives with Don't Tread On Me flying high.

Except that most of us weren't rich or conservative. And I really don't see where race becomes an issue?

Ron Paul had a themed fund raiser based on the tea party/

You have that backwards

The tea party had a Ron Paul-themed fund raiser?

You forgot assassinate breitbart.

You forgot Profit!

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No, Rand Paul was a big part too. Palin was a pretender riding some coat tails.

The fact they had so many bat shit crazy members in high places probably didn't help things.

nah, the tea party was purely an anti-Obama movement and after he was elected the second time the energy behind it fizzled. What you're saying is true though and is why it had no leaders. Plus AstroTurfing by Grover Norquist and others undermined its legitimacy.

That's some terrible logic. So you only tolerate outsiders? What if the outsiders are corrupt themselves?

EDIT: I have no issues with this sub being critical of Trump. If I want a 24/7 Trump rally I go to The_Donald. Echo chambers are how we get shit like Hillary Clinton and shadow governments.

I don't think you understood my comment

I guess not. That doesn't change my thoughts though.

Can you clarify what you meant?

Well, for one, I never "tolerated" anything.

There was a clear conspiracy against Trump to get hillary into office. Similar to what happened to Bernie.

Now, trump's in the office. That's old news now. Let's focus on active conspiracies.

George Soros is the enemy.

That guy is fucking Satan himself.

Alright

I think that was pretty much dubious as all hell. There was a fair bit of Trump bashing, but very little was made of potential ties to the Russians, his taxes, etc., relative to the amount of talk about some pretty big stretches for Hillary.

I think the original claim that it was a Donald jerk is fair.

It is.

Of course he should, he's not"qualified" like she is.

It shouldn't have taken anyone 10 months, an election, and cabinet appointments to figure out that Trump wasn't a real outsider.

He was

Donald Trump supporters have a really creepy personality cult and master-submissive slave relationship with their lord and savior Trump, frankly i've never seen something like that, not even with SPORT FANS.

Edit : For those who say "It's just humor"

Well it's not humor anymore when it turns into into a real and systematic way of obstructing any critic against Trump, banning any one who dissent from the "Trump is perfect" narrative, and drowning any critic of him with whataboutism (But HRC did this, HRC is gone, so now you guys have to find other ways to defend him) and insults. It's also telling that Trump supporters don't feel confortable when they are in another sub when their lord and savior can be criticized, they are too used to their safe space.

Maybe that's why they are soo obsessed with cucks....

No cuck. No cuck. You're the cuck.

it is odd this masochism by proxy and attraction to strength for it's own sake. I imagine a small but not insubstantially so number of trump fans 'enjoying' whisky because it's what don draper drinks. Stupid sexy draper. (hey 14 year old me: smoking cigars and drinking shitty whiskey did not make you look cool!)

This is so true! Some will gladly start an argument to defend Trump's honor....even if they are wrong or have no substance to their claims. A Trump supporter (friend of a friend) last night was harassing my almost 70 year old mother on Facebook. My mom stated her opinion in a kind and civilized way then he creeped on her page and was trying to tear her apart. I stuck up for her, asked him to stop, and he genuinely scared me with his volatile remarks towards my mother and myself. He was ready to terrorize any non-Trump supporter.

They've gone full blown SJW. They've even created a safe space for themselves over on 8/pol/ and anyone that tries to bring in any type of wrong think is banned instantly. They're all completely unaware of how much of a joke they are and it's honestly pretty hilarious. They even play the victim card constantly and have threads about how people attack them for being Trump supporters or about how the world is against them. They're lack of self awareness in regards to how they've become the very thing that they criticize other groups like SJWs for being is probably worthy of a good case study.

It wasn't a joke?

I think it's some part joke, some part confirmation bias, and some part the idea of Chaos magic. https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com

The great part is that it's fun and creates hilarious inside jokes. Haters gonna hate.

It IS fun.

Oh my God. If this is seriously the Anti-Christ's origin story...

The aliens are gonna laugh at us for soooooooo long.

Haha, well if I'm not mistaken, the anti-Christ is supposed to be loved by everyone right? Trump's coming into office with the lowest approval rating of probably any president.

Take what you will from it, but I find it hilarious. The fact that the establishment can't control the idea of it (especially the media) or whether people are serious or not about referring to Trump as the God-emporer makes it even better. It irritated the opposition & establishment and gets under their skin, which is the whole point of trolling..and Trump has done some legendary trolling this election year. I mean, Hillary Clinton herself targeted a fucking green cartoon frog named Pepe as a white supremacist. Her campaign website sourced an article where the "white supremacist" they interviewed about Pepe was actually a Jewish teenager who took on a Taylor Swift/Jared Taylor pseudonym. Just think about that: an actual journalist was too stupid to even catch on to the fake name and the Clinton campaign just accepted it as a sound article. Like, how stupid are they and it just questions their ability to identify and distribute news. It's fun to make fun of them though.

So true, it's pretty annoying when you see an interesting Trump related story on the front page, then you go to read the comments and realize it is the_donald and the comments are just a massive circle jerk and frog memes. Scary how fanatical they seem to be.

I am sure the hyperbolic god-emperor stuff was for humor. There is no way anyone thinks like that.

Part of the problem is that you can never tell the gaslighting/trolling apart from the real deal.

I am gaslighting to pay the bills. Baby needs a fix of that alcohol fueled by self hate for muddying the waters long enough for my bosses to win.

It's not just about saying "god emperor" it's about how they treat him in general

No critic of him is accepted, and when a critic is unavoidable, they either use a whatabaoutism or reply with a formulaic message like "Society is so pc".

Everything he does/says is considered amazing high tactical thinking.

A caricatural confirmation bias (we all are prone to a degree for it) but the Donald fans could get you anything from a far dark fringe weakly-argured publication in the far-east if it confirms that Trump is amazing.

Banning and insulting any remotely dissident voice etc.

So it's not just about saying "God", they really treat him like fervent religious people treat the figure of god.

Still fits the "let's pretend we are Warhammer40000 Space Marines and let's pretend Donald Trump is the God Emperor of Mankind!" your disgust at what it looks like if taken seriously doesn't undo the grotesqueness present in a contemporary political figure spoken of as the living god of a Theocratic Junta... which would explain away the naivete at taking any internet support of Trump at face value. Anyone can switch words around after writing fanfic. notepad++ is a nice example.

How does someone reason with a voice they hear mirrored in a satire like that? Exterminatus. What earthly analog exists?

Like debating semantics with an intentionally crafted circular reasoning would be anything but feeding the trolls. Feeding a troll can make it president. Obviously.

This gives some context: https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

It just fits that Trump, the ultimate troll of the establishment, would be the chosen candidate for /pol/ and their mischievous character.

It's the meme influence.

This gives some context: https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com

Take what you will from it, but I find it hilarious. The fact that the establishment can't control the idea of it (especially the media) or whether people are serious or not about referring to Trump as the God-emporer makes it even better.

No, you're a towel.

Sort of an ironic statement. Two of my favorite subreddits actually.

They are venting anger in "productive" ways. It's cool when it's funny but stupidly forced at times.

Or they just have some of the sense of humor you seem to lack.

Triggered ?

It's not humor anymore when it turns into into a real and systematic way of obstructing any critic against Trump, banning any one who dissent from the "Trump is perfect" narrative, and drowning any critic of him with whataboutism and insults.

It's also telling that Trump supporters like you don't feel confortable when they are in another sub when their lord and savior can be criticized, they are too used to their safe space.

Stop projecting. You are the one who seems triggered.

I don't. I don't have any leader/celebrity/writer/author that i worship.

Diss whoever you want, i don't have masters like some Trump fans do.

Good for you mate.

yeah they are totally in the streets protesting right now.

Similar to Clinton paid shills. Both sides have shills. Like an internet army fighting each other for no reason

I don't deny that Clinton has shills, but how is that similar to the parent comment?

"Whataboutism" is a very commonly used strategy by people engaged in a personality cult.

I see the same team mentality from both sides. I really don't care. I use Reddit to hear from proclinton supporters and voat for protrump. I like truth and you only get it from hearing both sides. Truth is people don't like to feel like they are not welcome by the "in group". People naturally team up and you can't be a team without opposition.

Slave/master thing I see both sides having is what I'm saying.And if you can't see that I can't help you.

I use Reddit to hear from proclinton supporters and voat for protrump.

If Reddit is pro-Clinton compared to Voat, I don't want to see what Voat's become.

Lol. Sure buddy. It's called irony. If Trump is not welcome here, neither are your daddy issues.

Are you triggered ? Go worship the Donald in another place.

It's not humor anymore when it turns into into a real and systematic way of obstructing any critic against Trump, banning any one who dissent from the "Trump is perfect" narrative, and drowning any critic of him with whataboutism (But HRC did this, HRC is gone, so now you guys have to find other ways to defend him) and insults. It's also telling that a lot of Trump supporters like you don't feel confortable when they are in another sub when their lord and savior can be criticized, they are too used to their safe space.

Donald Trump is not your father.

Feel better?

Following the phenomenon has been extraordinary. The fever and deflection's been intense, and then we watched this shit get cycled into memes and through social media until the point where Marina Abramovic was asked about performing satanic blood rituals with politicians and elites during dinner. Truly remarkable spin job, and it worked. The Big Lie assigned fully to the establishment left.

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT AND ITS TOP COMMENT

Oh my god. You know what else is a circle?

A pizza.

Dear Lord.

We needed a 10 month circle jerk of donald only because we knew what would happen if clinton won. However now that trump won we should start keeping an eye on him to make sure he does the things he said he would...

I would prefer if he did almost none of the things he said he would.

TPP? NAFTA?? Lockherup???

He's not going to do one of those damn things, guaranteed. Business as usual.

TPP is bigger than the US and will be passed. NAFTA, hahaha, that's laughable. Does he really think he's going to bring jobs back to the USA when shits already way inflated as it is. You think your produce is expensive now? and Lockherup... Trump loves the Clintons, period. Can't believe so many has bought what this expert con artist has sold. The same people that own Clinton own Trump.

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TPP is bigger than the US and will be passed. NAFTA, hahaha, that's laughable.

You were wrong. Suck it.

Wtf! You prefer trump ignores the will of the people? The people have spoken they want isis destroyed. They want to avoid earm. They dont want iran to have nukes. They want healthcare mess fixed. They want borders... You want trump to ifnore the peoples will and just continue business as always and let america die? Yeah youre a winner

However now that trump won we should start keeping an eye on him to make sure he does the things he said he would...

Or else what?

Take away his congress in 2018 and take away the presidency in 2020

Or else this nation dies. We need to fix our problems and its up to yrump,to come through with his campaign promises and fix everything. If he doesnt vote out ever republican in 2 years and trump in 4.

Good. It served a good purpose. Are you denying that the clintons are a huge problem?

It's coming. CIA had wiretaps on NY FBI office, Putin, Manafort, Glen Greenwald, Scott Walker, Rudy Guiliani, James Comey, Julian Assange, Roger Stone, and a man in Florida who tried to switch the voting machines. They're also releasing his tax returns in the Times next week, an Apprentice video where he calls someone a nigger, and a conversation he had with some Epstein guy about having sex with a 16-year-old. Obama waiting for a period of calm. They have the navy (7 seas/7th floor) helping them devise the rollout for next week, but needed a period of calm. A lot of elite mobsters and career criminals are getting locked up for actual crimes with proof of intent and we're probably going to have another vote before Christmas. For once, something is actually bigger than Watergate....on a global scale.

Links? Proof?

4 years to go

You can't help the bleed over from r/politics since it was hijacked by CTR. Things should go back to normal soon.

To be fair, a lot of us thought that the DNC was conducting a criminal conspiracy to fix the election. Hence this sub.

That and Trump has no truth to offer.

When did you come to this conclusion?

Him lying constantly.

He's not wrong about everything. But he changes what he says and literally says nothing most of the time

I commented this to another thread, but I think it's going to be something I end up re-commenting a lot because apparently it needs to be more widely-known:

My understanding of Trump is that he's not a loyalist to a party or an ideology. He does what he thinks at the time is the right thing to do - which leads to reversals of position on many subjects. If he were a rock-ribbed yellow-dog Democrat, or if he were just a New York Republican, charges of "flip-flopper" would have some meaning. But they don't, because he doesn't have a rigid ideal he adheres to. When he changes it's just a change, not an abandonment of principle. Combine that with the fact that he's 101% full of bluster, very self-confident, and accustomed to getting his way, and he's explained pretty thoroughly in my opinion.

But when he consistently changes opinions from day to day depending on the crowd he's addressing, coupled with his propensity to lie about said changes at point blank range, and he starts to resemble all the hallmarks of the dishonest politician that Clinton is.

Also known as a con artist.

Exactly. He tells you what you want to hear, and you do what he wants. They never take your money, they convince you to freely give it to them.

no way, con artists are people that pretend to be someone else, with some stupid made up name like John Miller or something.

oh wait...

Until he sells US policy and deletes thousands of emails to avoid FOIA I think it'd be hard to put him in a category with Clinton.

Well, he has advocated nuclear war, advocated overturning the 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th, 14th, and 15th amendments, supported the Russian invasion of Crimea, been a proponent of nuclear proliferation to countries like Japan, talked of renegotiating treasury bonds and collapsing the global financial market, asked foreign espionage agencies to hack political opponents, claimed climate change was a hoax, tried to gut the EPA, proposed increasing the national debt by $5 trillion dollars, and accepted funding from Russian sources, among other issues.

Yeah, I'd say that at the very least puts him in the same category as Clinton.

It's crazy how easily people were duped by trump and just how misinformed the voters were. You could have been casually paying attention to the issues and known he was an abysmal candidate. Every rational complaint you could have about clinton you can also very easily apply to trump.

Not to mention passionate Trump supporters are absolute cancer. I have never hated a political movement more in my life. They're even worse than regressive left SJW's. They talk in memes. They don't know how to communicate without passive-aggression. They embrace anti-intellectualism. They supported one of the worst candidates we have EVER SEEN.

And it's amazing (/sad) seeing the dominance of these ideas on Reddit and Facebook. Blame it on Russian bots or whatever, but it's really concerning

But at least he isn't trying to rape me.

To be fair, if you supported either of this years (major party) candidates, you supported one of the worst candidates we have EVER SEEN.

You sound bitter and resentful that your candidate lost.

Maybe drop politics and stick with conspiracies my friend, from this comment you surely do not seem like one whose willing to understand other people's point of view.

So sad the Trump cucks still look so desperate and stupid even when their idiot candidate won.

I'd rather be a winner than a sore loser any day pal

Honestly, I feel bad for how bad you guys got screwed, yet many of you somehow don't even realize it. The DNC did so terribly this year that this election will be in the history books for hundreds of years to come. They bent the democrats over and proved that the democratic party is corrupt as can be. Republicans got the presidency, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court.

And all you got is a bunch of salt and shame

I supported Bernie but I'd rather lose than be an actual low life pathetic loser that supports Trump.

You're so vile towards someone who is actually in support of Bernie in this circumstance.

Bernie got screwed by the DNC; Absolutely backstabed and ignored. Bernie should have been up against Trump this general election but the Democratic party refused to take the opinion of the masses and instead took the opinion of the elite.

Bernie supporters and Trump supporters aren't all that different, yet you can continue spewing hatred if that's what makes you feel better at night.

Bernie supporters and Trump supporters aren't all that different

I completely disagree. Bernie doesn't spread hate, fear and encourage violence among his supporters. And most importantly, he's not a goddamn moron. The only thing Bernie and Trump supporters have in common is that they both hate the establishment, that's literally it.

That similarity is pretty powerful though. Obviously it was a major variable to Trump winning. Many people felt beaten down and ignored by the establishment who were on the Sanders train. When it looked like he too got shafted by the establishment, they turned to the other outsider. It was the ultimate poke in the eye to the elites.

For the record, I'm with you on this. I've just been thinking a lot this past week about all of this, trying to make sense of it all.

I agree that the establishment and the DNC needed to lose and get a rude awakening, but not under these circumstances. If it were any other candidate than Trump, I'd be rooting for the GOP after Sanders lost. Hell, I'd take GWB or even Romney over Clinton after knowing how they fucked over Sanders, but since it was Trump or Clinton, I'd rather she win than him.

100% agreed. After she won the primary, I considered not voting at all in disgust, but eventually went to her side (holding my nose) just to prevent Trump. Turns out that lack of enthusiasm for Clinton was pervasive, and was another variable to Trump's win. I just hope Bernie paved the way for the future of the Democratic party.

Who does Trump hate? He's never encouraged or spread any hate of any kind whatsoever. I'm actually interested to see whom you think he "hates".

Spreading fear? This is very subjective so I'm not sure what you mean, but I do know that Liberals/Democrats are a much more sensitive bunch than anyone else. Fear of ISIS? You betcha. Fear of losing jobs to increasing illegal immigrant acceptance? You betcha. Fear of losing freedom of speech? You bet Trump is. Putting our liberties at risk is a fair reason to be fearful of our country. Are democrats not spreading fear of a Trump presidency? They are as well, so I'm not sure why you're bringing this up.

As for a :goddamn moron:, you clearly have no business expertise at all. His "small loan" of 1million has been invested into a nearly 4billion dollar net worth. Believe me, if you could turn my $1,000 to $4million i'd hire you in a second. If you wouldn't, you're definitely the moron in this sense.

You kidding me? How many times has he antagonized people of other races, insulted them, lied about them. Not just people of other races but women too. If you really don't think Trump is a fear and hate monger than you probably are too or you're just goddamn stupid like he is. Maybe he doesn't really believe what he says and he's just appealing to his base of racists and sexists, in which case he might be smarter than he seems and you're all just morons for believing him.

It's interesting how you hate on any Trump supporter yet you whine about how Trump "hates" certain people. Your opinion is clearly so biased and ingrained that there is no hope in helping you to become a more tolerant and accepting person.

I wish you well, though I do hope that you actually follow what you preach.

All those who think differently than you aren't necessarily bad people. Listen, research, and consider different opinions than your own. All those who think differently are not the devil. Open your eyes and listen every now and then.

Have you been living in a different universe? Did you hear him say most Mexicans are bad, or insulting the judge's decision because of his Mexican heritage, or trying to ban all Muslims and tag them, implementing stop and frisk and essentially legalizing racial profiling, saying he sexually assaults women, insulting McCain because he was a POW, insulting the disabled reporter. The list goes on.

There probably isn't a single demographic he hasn't insulted or antagonized. Trump fans are just enablers of hate, fear and inequality and if you don't see that there is no hope in reasoning with you morons. All of you are ethically and morally lost. Deplorable is the right word to describe Trump and his fans.

He has not said one negative word about the alt-right. Or about Russia, and certainly not about Putin.

He never said most Mexicans are bad. He said those illegally crossing the border to enter the U.S. often do not bring the best along with them. How many illegal doctors, lawyers, rocket-scientists do you know? - I can tell you - ZERO

Insulting a judge because he's Mexican? Where did this happen? I assume you're talking about the Hispanic Indiana Judge, right? Do about 5 minutes of research on this topic for me so I won't have to respond to this idiotic comment.

Banning all Muslims? LOL what? Muslims are free to enter the U.S., so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Individuals trying to enter the U.S. from Syria or Iran? Of course Americans want them to be properly analyzed.... Would you allow anyone in your home without knowing they are good people? - of course not.

Stop and frisk? Go ahead, stop and frisk me. Guess what? You'll find a cell phone, a wallet, and my keys. Maybe a kleenex if it's cold outside. You surely won't find an unlicensed gun on me, but if you'd like to look go ahead.

Sexually assaulting women? You mean all the cases that have been debunked? This has as much verifyable evidence as me saying you've raped me.

Finally, insulting McCain? You mean the same way Obama and the democrats did during 08'? Yeah, the democrats were brutal towards McCains health and war history. Trump on the other hand said one off-base statement. I don't agree with what he said toward McCain, but actions speak louder than words my friend.

One of my co-workers, who is an engineer, told me his parents crossed the border illegally. He went to a top 10 engineering school, and is a good & smart dude. This is just an anecdote, and I'm not even saying most situations turn out this way. But Trump implied the opposite, that most are criminals, which IMO is unwarranted fear mongering. In his initial speech he never said "illegal" or "undocumented", which I believe was a calculated move (i.e. dog whistle). Why do you think white nationalists support him across the board? Where were they for Romney, McCain, Bush?

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. Most illegals are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. You're more likely to find one in a restaurant kitchen than a dark alley waiting to mug you. Certainly we should secure our border and deport criminals. Seems to me like we've been doing a good job of that under the Obama administration. Just look up his numbers and compare them to Bush (or any other administration).

Like voter fraud, this was an overblown issue, just to fire people up. Seemed like a risky move to me at the time, but looks like the gamble paid off.

The masses on the left didn't support Bernie, unfortunately. Talking about older Democrats who were afraid he was too far left to appeal to independents and undecided. I do believe Bernie had the deck stacked against him, but even straight up, Hillary wins the primaries.

I agree that there were many Bernie supporters who turned to Trump, and there oddly is some overlap there. When you have progressives blasting you, it doesn't bode well for your chances of winning.

I appreciate your opinion. I personally do believe that Bernie would have had a better chance at presidency than Clinton, but there is no way of entirely knowing. Bernie certainly had the younger vote, but Clinton likely had the older vote, but who exactly can know for sure what the outcome would have been if the democratic candidates were flipped.

I do hope, however, that this continues to open a more respectable discussion amongst eligible voters. Bernie surely helped to draw appeal from millennials and younger voters, and I do think that anyone getting involved with politics is a good thing.

Hopefully, with more people getting involved with politics, we can have a country that is more representative of our citizens opinions and values.

Yeah, there's no way to know. I think Clinton picked up old guard Republicans that were disgusted by Trump, where they may have just opted out of voting altogether if Sanders was the nominee. But I think Sanders would have appealed more to working class people who voted Trump in key swing states.

How does it feel to lose the popular vote and know that the country democratically said we don't want you?

The rules of the game was to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. How does it feel to lose the presidency in the way that our country's democracy has worked for hundreds of years? Probably bad, ey?

If the presidency was won through the popular vote, then both Trump and Clinton would have had a completely different game plan. If American football was won by who got the most rushing yards, then both teams would completely change their game plans in order to win.

Go figure Trump won. He followed the rules that have been decided for hundreds of years.

If the losing team got more rushing yards than the winning team, should they get the victory? NO, because they lost given the rules of the game.

You likely have been given a participation award your whole life from losing that you don't understand what it truly means to win or lose. Take a step back and realize that you lost regardless of any false circumstance you can think of.

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Russia was the first country to want to negotiate peace with the US after the Trump win.

Russia didn't need to keep fighting, they got exactly what they wanted with Trump in the White House.

You're really pushing the "russia owns trump" narrative here.

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I agree, everyone wins with this.

Except the SJWs. They lost no matter what.

Tour fear of him going to war with Russia is a unfounded and based on bullshit reporting. His campaign was about peace with everyone. Russia declared, the day after he won, that they are willing to work with Trump. Clinton was a hawk like no other. She wanted war with Russia.

For the record I'm an independent and think both candidates were garbage.

But the whole Clinton wanted war with Russia thing is far and away one of the dumbest accusations that came out of the campaign. That was when the Trump campaign realized it could literally say anything and people would buy it, and the media would repeat it.

The attacks went from "I'm gonna exaggerate the truth a bit" to "Here's some crazy fucking nonsense I made up five minutes ago eat it up fartbags."

Bullshit. Why do you think Syria is the way it is right now? What do you think happens when you put up a no fly zone that you know won't be honored?

Please, tell me "how Syria got this way." I would love to hear that.

He wants war with China.

Blame China for horrible trade deficiencies and horrible pollution.

Drum up anti China hate (in same areas he won election like Rust belt and south) with anti communist rhetoric. This also kills off progressive movements here in the US.

China's economy crashes because of trade.

Their half billion young single men prime for war.

Some south China sea/either Korea conflict causes WW3.

Trump is the military industrial complex president

Is he connected in any substantial way with Booze Allen, SAIC, Northrup, BAE, and the usual DoD contactors? If so I may think your fear is legitimate. If not, where is your evidence to back up your claim?

He doesn't have to get rich, his DoD friends are the ones that do.

It's George W and Fuck Cheney 2.0

so many lies

lot of assertions. u sure about all of them?

Yep. I'll provide sources for any you feel unsure about, if you'd like.

Liar.

Don't recall making that particular assertion...

I'd like your sources, if you don't mind.

Sure. Which claim do you want a source for?

All of em

Alright then.

• Nukes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/03/dear-donald-trump-here-is-why-we-dont-simply-nuke-the-islamic-state/
• Assorted Constitutional Violations: https://www.aclu.org/feature/donald-trump-one-man-constitutional-crisis
• Amendment 15 and Voting Rights: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/opinion/jeff-sessions-as-attorney-general-an-insult-to-justice.html
• Crimea: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/trump-crimeas-people-prefer-russia-elected-putin-ukraine/story?id=41029437
• Japanese Nukes: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/29/trump-i-hate-proliferation-but-it-would-be-better-if-japan-saudi-arabia-and-south-korea-had-nuclear-weapons/ and just in case, because Brietbart isn't known for being too reliable, a primary source as backup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEsBoRVlWXU
• Treasury Bonds: http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2016/05/trumps-latest-policy-idea
• Asking Foreign Hacking: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282
• Climate Change: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en
• EPA: http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-vows-to-slash-funding-for-education-epa-1452551107 and primary source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3xqKTx7aw&t=28
• National Debt: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-revised-tax-plan
• Russian Funding: http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

yawn

You cite the opinion pieces. Nice.

You talk about Russia as if it's anywhere near as bad as the Saudi's Clinton deals with.

Well, yeah.

So, you're an idiot then. This isn't the red scare, chump.

What a well substantiated argument. You've definitely explained why one authoritarian human rights abusing regime is decidedly worse than another.

You've definitely explained why one authoritarian human rights abusing regime is decidedly worse than another.

Saudi Arabia funds ISIS.

There.

Russia violated international sovereignty by invading Crimea. There.

See how much of a non-answer that is?

Ah, a shill. It has been common knowledge on r/conspiracy that the US and George Soros destabilized Ukraine, but good luck with your lies.

Crimea is historically Russian and they overwhelmingly voted in a democratic referendum to return to Russia. It was exactly what the people wanted, not some hostile takeover as described by Western Propaganda.

Saudi Arabia exports violent wahhabist terrorism across the globe and is the main funder of ISIS. They buy massive amounts of weapons to support the Military Industrial complex, and absolutely ravage helpless nations such as Yemen. They profit almost exclusively from selling oil and destroying the planet.

Russia is surrounded on all sides by advancing NATO forces and US military bases. It has been fending off a massive geopolitical and economic war being waged on it by Western powers. The war is waged through sanctions, West-backed Saudi move to sell oil so cheap that Russia must sell at a loss, Western takeover of neighbouring Nations (US was heavily involved in the Ukraine coup, almost identical strategy to Iran in 1953), and proxy/resource wars such as in Syria.

Russia isn't blameless, but it is the only country with the balls to stand up to the ultimate evil in this world: The Western War Machine. But.. if you didn't know that, what the hell are you doing in this subreddit?

Your very first assertion is wrong so why keep reading....

K. Suit yourself.

Not sure what you're trying to prove with that article...

There's some things in there about Trump asking about using Nuclear arms(which everyone knew about already), but there's also that bit about an unnamed anonymous source which we all know is no body... It's like that South Park episode

Tom: We're here reporting that Trump has plans nuke all the countries, he's got the launch codes ready, he's good to go.

Anchor: So you've seen Trump's plans, talked to him about it, all that?

Tom: No, we're just reporting it

That doesn't support your claim. Discussing the topic and asking hypothetical questions about it isn't even close to "advocating for nuclear war."

You can't be serious thinking he could ever do such things

For a lot of people, the fact that he wants to try is bad enough.

Or the fact that he won the election saying he wants to to try these things ...

He literally cannot, it would NEVER happen, quote me on that please sir

"Believe me"

We know he can't, it's just the fact that he wanted to. It's not so much the things he wants to do that are dangerous because he'd have to do gymnastics for most of it, but it's his rhetoric and what it incites from many of his followers that is dangerous.

We know he can't, it's just the fact that he wanted to. It's not so much the things he wants to do that are dangerous because he'd have to do gymnastics for most of it, but it's his rhetoric and what it incites from many of his followers that is dangerous.

Wtf is going on here? Where is this past tense coming from? He can't do what when he finally becomes the most powerful man on the world in two months?

They are.

I mean, he said that he would do them, so I think it's less reasonable to think that he wouldn't.

Knowing how he is prone to changing opinions at the behest of a crowd though, makes one doubt every word he says. It's like he was a politician all along.

My statement was a little too blunt, that was my error, but if anyone really thinks he will take away any of the amendments; something that crazy, that just could not happen. The backlash would be unreal, as unreal as that really happening

Oh yeah, of course. I didn't mean to be dismissive, just wanted to stress that it's still important he said those things.

However, I do think that there is a remote possibility. I'm praying that it never happens, but I can imagine, in the worst course of events, Trump revoking certain freedoms to preserve a good image for himself or his administration.

Thank you, for a well thought out answer, I understand what you are saying, I think the real problem is that both sides jump down each other's throats at the first chance, everyone believes something for a reason, and we should all respect each other's reason.

Agreed! Thank you for listening, that's all I can really expect.

I would be interested to hear what you think the backlash would involve if he tried something like that, just out of curiosity. I have a hard time imagining it happening too.

i'll use the amendments, as i feel that would have the most backlash. Taking away most of our bill of rights, is not something that one side agrees with and one side hates, no one wants that. 1st Amendment; every one wants this, maybe an absolutely tiny minority, and the second amendment, applies to most trump voters in general. i think if he were to try something like that, we would see REAL protesting, with everyone coming together as one, to stop such an unconstitutional act from ever happening. Of course, maybe i have too much faith in humanity

Ohhh, so he's an embarrassingly out-of-touch liar.

Such a strong defense!

He's already dismantling the EPA.

Until he [...] deletes thousands of emails to avoid FOIA

I have some bad news for you friend. Trump has a history of destroying documents in defiance of court orders and Mike Pence is already working hard to prevent the release of emails that allegedly show taxpayer dollars being wasted during his tenure as governor.

Careful with that. I'm sure George soros had his hands in that along with all the pedophiles that Clinton jerked off and shit. /s

Sorry I spend too much time hating myself and reading r/all, which means I'm actually reading r/thedonald

This is actually /r/conspiracy aka /r/the_donald2

In all seriousness the Donald and now la pen are the fucking craziest conspiracies I have ever seen... And I love a good conspiracy. Annunaki (spelling, I know) creating humans on earth to harvest precious metals? Cool. Everything on the Donald? I want to shoot myself in the head.

I think that the difference is ""traditional"" conspiracy theories emerge when somebody finds something weird and tries to come up with an explanation, while the conspiracy theories being cooked up by the Donald are merely an attempt to discredit their political opponents.

You spelled *cucked wrong

I agree tho :)

Hey look, another crazy wikileaks denier.

I was referring more to the types of posts where they figured that pizza words were actually code for child molestation and other strange conspiracy theories where "grasping at straws" would be giving them too much credit.

This is r/conspiracy and you're decrying people for doing the same shit that r/conspiracy has done for years?

Get fucking real. Are you actually being serious right now? Holy shit.

On mobile, so I can't go indepth but I will say there is a fundamental difference between wiping tens of thousands of emails to hide them from the entire country and not being forthcoming in a civil suit.

The Pence thing is much bigger, and it makes me like pence less than I already did for all his hare-brained stances. I strongly dislike the man, but choices had to be made this election.

there is a fundamental difference between wiping tens of thousands of emails to hide them from the entire country and not being forthcoming in a civil suit.

I agree, though now that Trump is the president-elect I think that his actions need to stand on their own. Clinton's actions may have been worse but that does not make Trump's actions acceptable.

I'm not saying trump is clean by any means, just saying we all had to make a judgment call on what was more important. I hope for all our sakes that those of us who gave the presidency to trump don't end up regretting it.

But you don't disagree that Donald Trump is a dishonest person?

Does anyone?

He has verifiably lied.

I still voted for him because I felt there were more important things in the election than his total honesty. Especially since Hillary was his opponent and Gary Johnson is a moron.

I felt there were more important things in the election than his total honesty.

I hope this comment haunts you for the rest of your life.

Hi shill!

What could I possibly be shilling lol? Election's over, moron.

You have to find some other made-up excuse to cower behind now...

If total honesty is a yes/no test for a presidential candidate to get your vote then I got bad news for you.

Yeah, nobody in the Trump administration would hide e-mails...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/mike-pence-email-lawsuit/index.html

Asked and answered like two comments down, I believe.

Feel free to respond to it there.

And anyways, you're changing what I was talking about, since Pence=/=Trump.

But Bill = Hillary

But many people don't seem to realize how incredibly dangerous this is. Given that he has no real (as in reliable) policy or platform to work from, the first time he really has to make a hard decision it will have a random and unforseeable outcome, and such extreme uncertainty at that level is how markets crash and wars (the truly seriously nasty kind) get started.

World politics do not tolerate uncertainty, and Trump is (and ran on a platform of) being a wildcard incarnate.

What if he says we should go to war with Russia at 3am on Twitter? Oh my god.

Edit: accidentally a word.

He must be the world's most clueless guy then, hiring Bannon for his propaganda campaign and now for the white house. He must know the hatred Bannon's built himself around and helped to stir up in this country. Without ideology or morals at all, Trump's a vacuum for anyone who helps him win and look good.

He must be the world's most clueless guy then

I think this is exactly the case. Trump has no way of knowing how damaging the things he does can be for the rest of the country. It terrifies me not because he's an evil person but because he's a deeply ignorant one.

I'm sorry, have you watched his rallies or anything? He doesn't change day to day depending what crowd he is addressing. He is very consistent and yes I've watched most of his rallies.

I'm guessing you slept through the whole "Obama is literally the founder of ISIS" ordeal. Oh, and the whole women should get punished for having abortions thing.

Oh and how he denied saying climate change is a Chinese hoax... While it was still on his Twitter... I prefer to stay away from politifact but they do have a straightforward video showing that he said it repeatedly

Yeah CNN played them all the time. You're not the only one with a TV. You can't name anything he hasn't been consistent on? What about his upcoming trial with his fraudulent university? He's as bad as Clinton.

That's if his university was even a fraud BUT

When did a fraud university become as bad as ruining countries, stealing millions from Haiti, and causing hundreds of deaths in Haiti, or letting four Americans die in Benghazi?

Oh yeah Trumps sooo bad compared to that murderer!

Hillary Clinton murdered people and ruined countries.... I'm not even going to talk about this anymore. I can't. You're right Trump is a fuckin saint.

Even though he advocates for torture and shit but yeah you're right he's sooooo much better than a killary klinton who clearly murders people and loves rapists and wanted soldiers to die because she's obviously the evil cunty bitch amirite

You're right Trump is a fuckin saint.

No but clearly not even close to Hillary Clinton.

Even though he advocates for torture and shit

Against ISIS. So yeah that's good.

the evil cunty bitch amirite

Yes actually. You're right. She's an evil cunt bitch. Thanks!

The hillbots are pretty obvious huh?

Down with George Soros!

see thats the thing, 98% of people speaking on trump havent....

But when he consistently changes opinions from day to day depending on the crowd

When has he done this? This sounds like a dishonest talking point.

he's not a loyalist to a party or an ideology.

I think it would be more fair to say that in some sense, he has no fucking idea what his ideology even is. It's one thing to change your mind on an issue. It's another to say something immensly stupid and/or inflammatory, then go "I really mean it. No I don't. Yes I do. LOL, can't you take a joke? It was sarcasm. NOT! It's true! I never even said that!"

So he is just a dumbass?

He's not an idiot. He's just a saleman. If you don't like his pitch, he'll keep tweaking it until he finds one you like.

That's because he never thought he was gonna win so he didn't have to figure out an ideology

It's more like social issues are "office gossip," and he really doesn't care what you think of Karen's sweater when your report is due in an hour. In other words why are we worried about non-issues when there's some serious work to be done?

That's what he comes around to in every interview. They ask him about his stance on social issues and he's like "why are you worried about that? I'm trying to get the country back for the people, and bring back jobs, not worry about settled law."

Well put. I think he will turn out to be a perfect example of why we need career politicians.

TIL that Obama being the literal founder of ISIS is "office gossip"

His ideology is "what will benefit me".

It was just a prank, bro

Yeah like when he was pro-choice than anti-abortion and for gay marriage than against it and for trans-rights in North Carolina than against it.

i am pro life and anti abortion but still think i have no right to tell others what to do with their bodies.... such a hard concept

Yeah, I'll have the new improved SCOTUS tell them what to do with their bodies.

Which makes you, by definition, pro-choice.

Abortion is an exception to that though. The people who are against abortion truly believe it is murdering a child. It isn't just about the woman's right to choose but also about the life that was removed with no say.

people like you give me hope

Yes, exactly like that. He blows with the wind.

These aren't positions you just flip on because they're the right thing, they're things to flip on to appease people. Unless by "right thing" you mean "way to get more voters".

And I have no possible way in seeing why you want that quality in a person.

I didn't say I wanted it, just that's the way I think he is.

He isn't against gay marriage. If you've seen his most recent CBS 60 minutes, he said there is no point to overruling the marriage equality act. Mind you, the act was passed in a court with the majority being conservative, 5-4, in fact.

He was pro-choice years ago, and he changed even before he ran. While he has been running and a bit before he was anti-abortion.

He was never against gay marriage. Not once. Nor was he against trans-rights. Trans-rights he has said from day one he protects but thinks should decide what to do with the bathroom issue, not him.

He was never against gay marriage. Not once.

Literally flat-out fucking wrong you total shill.

"I think the institution of marriage should be between a man and a woman,"

--Trump, 2000

"I just don't feel good about it," Trump said. "I don't feel right about it. I'm against it, and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage."

--Trump, 2011

The first time Trump mentions he is anti-abortion was his speech to Conservative Political Action Conference in 2011 so no it wasn't before he was running. He literally said "I just don't feel good about it," Trump said. "I don't feel right about it. I'm against it, and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage."

And he shifted from saying that he agreed with the NC laws to saying that : “I’m going with the state. They know what’s going on, they’ve seen what’s happening.

Nice try though.

Much like how a business works

...leading to success in business, especially if you happen to begin with a "small" loan from family. It's been a recipe for success for him personally. Now we get to see how it works when the POTUS is this way.

He's a business man I never said he was a great one. Plus, the empire he made with only $1million is still pretty impressive

Wow.

That was incredible.

You could go to the Olympics with that kind of gymnastic skill.

He does have a rigid ideal he seems to follow. It is "Trump before all else". I think there is a chance he may do some good for this country, and he may do bad, but whatever he does, it will be because he thinks it will benefit Trump and no other reason.

Well, regardless of your feelings of how "flip-flopping is not flip-flopping if you're not a politician," he's definitely a politician now. He's already reversed his positions from what he was saying on the campaign trail, not sure why you're failing to recognize even that.

And why does it need to be more widely-known? It's just your opinion.

He was a politician before, too. To get major construction projects done, politics is a thing you need to do. Politics, or be super late and way over budget, and your hair is all pulled out from frustration at the WHYCAN'TYOUJUSTGIVEMEADANGPERMIT people from the City.

It needs to be more widely-known because people don't understand the nature of the man, and they are scared and confused when there is plenty of other stuff to be scared and confused about. My opinion is that the paragraph explains Trump. The rest of the paragraph is the result of analysis.

Which means his behavior can be altered. Whether it is influenced most by his insider advisors, his closest friends(whoever they may be), foreign influence peddlers, on-the-streets political outrage, or his twitter feed... I guess that's up to us.

Chaotic neutral

So he is a reptilian?

That might make sense if his positions didn't change from one day to the next. Yeah, pragmatism is often good. What isn't good is denying you said something 24 hours after you initially said it.

You don't need to be an ideologue to flip-flop. If you say "This is my policy" one day, then a week later you say "Nevermind, my policy is now the complete opposite".

Then that's a flip-flop, regardless about whether you adhere to a strict ideology.

Of course sometimes people should, and do, learn something and change their position on it. The difference there is how often it happens, and how obvious it is that something is just pandering to whoever they happen to be speaking to at that particular moment.

Trump has most definitely flip-flopped a significant amount.

That's what politicians do.

Didn't they elect him specifically because they were sick of the shit politicians would pull? Like lying up their asses? Now it's okay because he does it?

Welcome to politics.

with the vocabulary of a Third Grader...

Yeah but so did Clinton. Not very good election all around. At least Trumps sentiments spoke to people and didnt seem like a robot talking to a crowd.

You've been trained to believe that a good trait among politicians is never to waiver on an issue. Totally false. A good businessman knows when to switch positions and gain speed with the prevailing winds.

Yep. People aren't used to someone that isn't going to toe the party line.

Parties are done.

I think that was the key to this election, and it may mean that even people like Bernie Sanders are on their way out. Parties are done and none of them seem to realize it. Both the Democrats and the Republicans were severely de-legitimized by this election cycle. People are realizing that it is all a joke.

Maybe he changes what he says constantly so TPTB don't know what he'll do next. That don't know whether to take him seriously or not...

You know it sounded ridiculous at first but, honestly, a smart man couldn't have done better than Trump has of hiding his intentions from most everyone. Makes me wonder if there really is something going on in that golden head of his.

Youre right. There is definitely something. As a canadian im having a lot of fun trying to guess what it is.

Well, then we can't trust him. Even if it's just a tactic to throw people off how can we be certain of where he stands on anything? He could be Jesus or he could be Hitler, but I personally would not be willing to take that chance. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

i think there is truth to this. esp now since he hasnt been sworn yet

Him lying constantly.

He's not wrong about everything. But he changes what he says and literally says nothing most of the time.

Looks like a glitch in the Bots again guys lmfao.

Edit: down vote brigade all you want you punks. I had 5 upvotes a second ago now I'm at negative 2 and dropping lol. I could care less about it. Reddit and the internet in general is becoming bad at this point and I think this is exactly what the elite want.

Or he pressed submit twice by accident...

E: You know, you aren't getting much credibility as a 17 day old The_DOnald account.

Look below some other bot posted the exact same thing line for line.

That's someone who quoted him, not someone who made the same comment

Screenshot?

Will unreddit show that?

I find it really hard to believe a ctr bot is bashing trump in a conspiracy sub.

I didn't care because I was getting upvotes. I figured people agreed and I moved on. Meh whatever, it will continue to get worse mark my words.

I always find it funny when people edit a comment saying that they don't care about downvotes, thus providing the only evidence that they would care about downvotes.

It's a lot like ten thousand spoons.

"I DON'T CARE ABOUT REDDIT'S POINTS"

...he desperately writes, editing his message, to make sure everyone knows 100% for sure how little he truly cares. Which, is not at all. Did you hear how fast he's being downvoted? Explaining that in detail is what people who totally don't care do. I mean, how else would he tell everyone how little he cares?

CTR shills still at work. Gotta get their paychecks since they can't work an honest job.

Or maybe Reddit is just sick of all your crap?

Hil lost. Find a new fucking boogeyman

Geez.

I'm against Hillary but there's no point being blind to Donald's faults.

Don't become the new ctr or fanatic to overthrow. We won for now but lets not become what we fought

I see the Trump bots are still at work.

Wow...Trump supporters don't even understand their own memes.

Go find some other meaningless scapegoat to mask your lack of knowledge, kid.

Look at my comment score now it's dropping like I've never seen and after so many upvotes.. This crap has to stop people.

Change of opinion =/= lying

Change of opinion =/= lying

Him lying constantly. He's not wrong about everything. But he changes what he says and literally says nothing most of the time.

When watching his fucking retarded reality show

Yeah, watch a reality show to give you the truth. SMH.

Lmfao wow

Jesus came to that conclusion.

Trump is a noise machine. 100% noise, 0% signal.

hoo boy.

Don't almost all of his opposition dislike him in root for his honesty..?

Edit: k I guess that's cool. Downvote without explaining why you think I'm wrong

And the DNC is the arbiter of truth? Didn't they help Clinton win the primary?

Both Trump and the dnc can be full of shit. It's not either/or.

Too many people don't get this. I didn't like Hilary at all, and when I would Sai something it was always followed directly by "but Trump.....". But trump nothing, it's irrelevant to my statement

You critize Trump and only get "but Hillary..." You criticize Hillary and only get "but Trump...". It's almost like both are indefensible...

This is the thing people just can't wrap their heads around. It's not a binary choice when both choices are horrible.

Ding ding! I hate them both equally

FINALLY SOMEONE. You criticize Hillary, and people immediately say "good thing we have Trump!" No Trump has nothing to do with this, he's a liar too.

Just because I hate the DNC doesn't mean I like Trump. It means I think a democracy should function democratically.

Why the fuck are so many people stuck in this way of thinking?!

Before the election, it was either/or to many. Damaging Hillary meant electing Trump. Admitting Trump's flaws meant electing Hillary.

Now that's over, so maybe we can finally admit that Trump is the most full of shit person to ever win the presidency. Nearly every fact or stat he said was a lie, and his policy proposals wouldn't pass a financial review by a fifth grader.

Hell, in less than a week after winning he walked back like half of his ridiculous promises. Maybe it won't be a literal wall and Mexico paying isn't a priority, not looking at a Muslim ban yet, maybe we won't repeal Obamacare yet, not immediately deporting all illegals, we are probably moving on and not appointing a prosecutor for Hillary, etc.

Why would you assume that because he says Trump has no truth to offer that he's saying the DNC is nothing but truthful.

That's all that this election was about it seems, one side would criticise the other and the other would say "nuh but yours is worse because...." without actually looking at any valid criticisms. Literally just shit flinging the entire campaign.

This is the exact thing that I'm so fucking tired of. I criticize Trump in front of anyone who supports him and it's "well Hillary..." or "well the DNC...". Who said that I support her either? No one.

Dont let the bastards drag you down

Yeah dont let the bastards drag you down. Just talking is of value.

WhataboutmuhDNC!? Give it a break. Things are too nuanced for whataboutism

Thank you for a correct use of nuance. 😻

Every single time Trump's dishonesty gets brought up. BUT DNC. BUT HRC. BUT EMAILS JFC Trump is a piece of shit independent of anything else.

This fella gets it

THANK YOU

Yeah who does that........

What dishonesty? Seriously?

ok, but trump got elected, you can't blame Clinton for anything or compare them anymore. If trump fucks up, and then you say something like "Clinton would have done worse" you're missing the entire point. don't hold someone else accountable for his actions and don't compare them as the campaigning is over and responsibility is trump's.

So we can't blame things on the last president for the next 8 years? HRC would have been Obama1.5 anyhow.

what would you like to blame on him ?

20 million more with health care

4.5% unemployment.

and he deported a lot of illegal immigrants.

So you can blame him for that as well as anything else negative he has done.

oh and bin laden.

and trump is already filling cabinet with lobbyists and corrupt politicians, like he said he wouldn't hahahaha.

Also, if you are blaming the last president, then might as well take that train all the way back. Obama didn't really leave as shitty a situation as bush. it's obviously not perfect, but it's never really been.

I was alluding to the way Obama's administration blamed anything bad on W, but you managed to do that for me.

I get your point, but honestly I will always blame her for forcing me to vote Trump. All she had to do was stop being a two-faced piece of shit for ~18 months of her goddamn life and she just couldn't do it. Fuck her and the DNC and the rest of her crooked cronies, now we HAVE to watch it burn, because of her. I hope Trump's book really was his Mein Kampf and his fear mongering and chauvinistic, ignorant bullshit was completely faked. That would be the greatest slap in the face for career politicians imaginable.

No one forced you to do anything

Well staying home was a choice, but I firmly believe that if you don't participate in the election you forfeit any rights to an opinion on the outcome, and I have opinions so I had to do something. Gary Johnson is a bumbling moron and Jill Stein believes printing new money settles debt, so I was pretty much forced to vote against Hillary with Trump. Maybe Bernie has a shot in 2020 if he's still alive.

yea dnc sucks, but trump was also a 2 faced piece of shit.

and yea i dunno he's already filling up on career politicians and white supremacist. But we are past the point of comparing the pair of 2 faced pieces of shit, I suppose. One is in the white house, it's up to him now.

And the DNC is the arbiter of truth? Didn't they help Clinton win the primary?

Literally nobody said that anywhere in this thread.

The left is a religion. Criticizing Clinton does not mean much as Clinton will quickly be replaced by another useful idiot. So, the argument that Trump has no truth is countered by the leftist party, that is the DNC. It is absolutely in line philosophically to make this comparison.

What??

Which part of my comment would you like to refute?

I just have no idea what you're trying to say. It sounds like you're saying we can't criticize Trump because liberals.

Write what you want. But, after 600 days of unchallenged insults from the left, I'm tired of it. You insist on insulting Trump without evidence to back it up, I'll be insulting the left,except that I have evidence to back up what I say.

This is the conspiracy sub, and we all just lived through one gigantic conspiracy that actually happened but instead of dealing with it the leftist side of the aisle only focuses on insulting Trump. It's childish and misses an opportunity to learn from the nightmare we just went through.

There's evidence of a Trump conspiracy too. Sorry just because you're partisan doesn't mean we can't criticize your "God Emperor" (pro-tip: they're both corrupt). In the conspiracy subreddit we don't ban people for dissenting opinions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5cx3qc/sanders_breitbart_exec_in_white_house_should_make/da029dm

The Mercer family is much, much more 'populist' aka fascist than the Kochs and basically wants to make things white again.

And they want a white, 50s style America again.

Mercer's basically gone on record saying that. It's their goal.

That and with automation, the wealthy don't need Mexicans anymore, they have robots to keep labor cheap, so it's time for them to go.

Truth be told, I hate Trump. I just want evidence of a conspiracy instead of the never ending unchallenged insults from the left. At least this has teeth. Thank you

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You are actually a lunatic.

/r/conspiratard

Am I wrong? Will the left stop attempting to take away personal freedom just because Clinton lost?

You're just rambling nonsense.

Have you tried thinking for yourself? You may be surprised to see that what I am saying actually makes more sense than what you currently believe.

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I don't know what you mean by this. I'm not an audio engineer.

You can be anything you put your mind to.

It's nice to see the leftist propagandists have returned after skewing r/politics in Clinton's favor during the campaign. Sucks that it didn't work out the way you wanted.

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Where's the strawman?

Say what you want about Hillary Clinton, but you know where she stands, even if you don't like her positions.

Trump, who the fuck knows what he believes. I don't. You don't. HE doesn't know.

Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. He seems to say what he thinks you want to hear. Clinton is out of her mind crazy. They both suck. That is not the point. My point is if you want to insult Trump, give me some evidence to back it up. If it's just an insult, keep it to yourself or expect a response in kind.

Clinton is out of her mind crazy.

She's many things...ambitions, calculating, cold, egomaniacal, narcissistic, but she's not crazy. There's zero doubt in my mind that she would mostly do what's best for the country, even if you don't entirely agree with it. You know where she stands and you know she's not going to blow up the world

Trump...only cares about himself. Period.

WIKILEAKS: HRC Doesn’t Know What Planet She’s On

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/19/wikileaks-hrc-doesnt-know-what-planet-shes-on/#ixzz4Q3gTbcXe

Oh come on. Really?

Yeah... his supporters are not wrong about everything, hell he isn't either, but he changes stance so often and lies so offhandedly, I can't take anything seriously

That was true of both candidates.

Well that was fast.

What, the sub turning around? Me personally I never trusted or voted for Trump. And half the shit i see in this sub is bullshit. But I don't think he majority on this sub or anywhere really ever believed Trump. Hell some people voted for him just to "send a message" thinking he wouldn't win.

So, saying Trump is such is up voted, but the DNC is down voted? We literally have reams of evidence of the corruption of the DNC in this election, and nothing on Trump, yet you down vote my post? Where is the evidence of Trump doing anything?

People here constantly talking about the DNC. It's not all equal or binary.

Actually, it is. Trump doesn't represent much of the conservative community, so it's not the same to insult Trump as to insult conservatives. But, the left is like an unthinking ball of emotional turmoil. Regardless of which useless idiot is the "leader", should they lose, the religion simply replaces them and keeps going. Thus, the most effective nomenclature of the left in this country is the DNC.

Yeah but it's openly discussed here what their problems and corruption are

I don't care if people insult Trump, but the first comment is only focused on Trump. If you are going to be insulting, at least give some evidence besides your own opinion. Geez, I'm so damned tired of the never ending unchallenged insults from the left.

I can give evidence to back up my comments. Where's the equivalent on the Trump haters side?

You honestly think people's criticisms of Trump are unfounded? Jesus... I'll just link you to a collection of shit he literally said, how about that?

The media has been biased and blown everything Trump has said out of proportion and context. I do think that Trump hasn't had a fair chance as compared to Clinton.

Wow, let's scrutinize Trump to the level Hillary has been...

Leak his emails and tax returns. Then we can compare.