More books like 1984?
33 2016-11-19 by FalcoLombardiPhD
After all the comparisons made to 1984 recently I decided to go and read it this week, and it may be one of the best, and most important books I think I've ever read. Absolutely nuts how many parallels there are to today's world.
Anyway, just went and got Animal Farm (which I'm about to start now) and Fahrenheit 451, but was wondering if there were any other books that'd fall in a similar category? Or just any suggestions in general? Wasn't much of a reader growing up :/
62 comments
10 ijustwantanfingname 2016-11-19
Well, dystopian society books?
*The Giver
*Brave New World
*The Cure
The first two are classics, while the third is relatively unheard of, but I <3'd it.
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Nice, ya I've at least heard of the first two. Will check out the cure as well. Appreciate the response!
2 pepe_silvia67 2016-11-19
Try "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin. One of my favorites. Very similar to 1984, but it has overlapping themes of Huxley and Orwell, though it was written in 1921 (long before the other two)
7 101101101101101000 2016-11-19
I know its a bit of a stretch but the hunger games, books not movies, is all about a fucked up government.
Others are already listed, but IMO nothing quite hits home like 1984.
A great movie is Gattica
3 ProfitsOfProphets 2016-11-19
The Hunger Games books are really good. Younger level, but good.
6 atypicalgamergirl 2016-11-19
I'm reading The Space Merchants now. It was written in 1952.
In a vastly overpopulated world, businesses have taken the place of governments and now hold all political power. States exist merely to ensure the survival of huge trans-national corporations. Advertising has become hugely aggressive and by far the best-paid profession. Through advertising, the public is constantly deluded into thinking that the quality of life is improved by all the products placed on the market. Some of the products contain addictive substances designed to make consumers dependent on them. However, the most basic elements of life are incredibly scarce, including water and fuel.
So far it reminds me of Mad Men restructured as House of Cards. Fascinating to see how that retro future sci-fi is almost too close for comfort in the present.
3 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
This sounds like a spot on description of 2016, with the exception of scarcity (although, it's certainly looming and wouldn't surprise me if that happened) but ya, this sounds like a good read. Thank you!
4 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-19
Oh, just remembered Project Gutenberg for a huge variety of free ebooks too in case you didn't know of them.
2 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-19
I was looking for a free ebook version of this as I like Fred Pohl and haven't read this, and I found this page which you might appreciate.
3 GoddessWins 2016-11-19
Get a library card.
3 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-19
And leave the house?!
Just joking, libraries are excellent resources too.
2 GoddessWins 2016-11-19
/lol you only have to leave once to get that card,then you have access to not only ebooks and audio books but to all the best news sites and a much deeper research base.
3 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-19
Also, use them or lose them.
After all my comments here I forgot to recommend Stranger In A Strange Land By Robert Heinlen for u/FalcoLombardiPhD. One of my old favourites.
2 GoddessWins 2016-11-19
I liked most of that book, it is unkind to women, I enjoyed it anyway. Those were the days when it seemed to empower women. So I get that.
3 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-19
It is indeed, but it's a product of it's time (1961) and written by a man who maybe didn't get out much. Still a fascinating read though.
2 GoddessWins 2016-11-19
One of my favs, yes.
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Right on. Just read a bit of that page and it sounded really interesting. May add this to the list, thank you!
1 GoddessWins 2016-11-19
They have ebooks and audio books available from your home computer.
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Bookmarked! Good find
5 anarchopotato 2016-11-19
PKD
1 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Legend
3 Ninjakick666 2016-11-19
Stand on Zanzibar
We
Brave New World
Erewhon
Anthem
The Giver
Looking Backward
The Wanting Seed
2 MoNoSword 2016-11-19
I feel that "We" is under represented. Most people know about Brave New World and 1984, but I haven't meet anyone else who as read "We".
2 Ninjakick666 2016-11-19
Thats cause it is nearly impossible to google/dewey decimal.
1 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Thanks for the suggestions! Will look these up
1 Ninjakick666 2016-11-19
Erewhon is interesting just cause it covers a the threat of a robot uprising... but it was written in 1872... about a secluded country that became more technologically advanced than the rest of the world... then banished all technology when they realized it was inevitably going to take over... Wouldn't even let the guy that discovered their place to keep his watch... a slippery slope to AI...
Also a couple fun ideas about illness, money, religion and extreme veganism... I think they call em Jainists IRL.
3 deathcabforben 2016-11-19
brave new world, if you haven't. handmaids tale and maddaddam trilogy by atwood, especially the second two books in the trilogy.
1 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Right on, brave new world is definitely on the list. Haven't heard of the Atwood novels but I am gonna look up all of these suggestions tonight. Thanks for the suggestions
2 hotmud62 2016-11-19
Atwood is amazing, put her on your list.
If you are into short fiction you should read some Harlan Ellison. Probably the finest American short story writer of the 20th c. "I have no mouth and I must scream" is probably his most famous story so it's a good place to start. A lot of his collections are based on a theme. "Love aint nothing but sex misspelled" looks at interpersonal relationships and "Deathbird Stories" looks at our "new Gods".
Also if you are looking for speculative fiction there is always William Gibson and Bruce Sterling. The godfathers of Cyberpunk.
3 Ninjakick666 2016-11-19
And if you are reading just to get those weird predictions of the futures nothing comes as close as Stand on Zanzibar from 1968. There is so much shit in there about today your mind would be blown... Even a predicted "President Obami"
http://www.themillions.com/2013/03/the-weird-1969-new-wave-sci-fi-novel-that-correctly-predicted-the-current-day.html
That site cover a little of it but there is so much more...
2 ikemynikes 2016-11-19
Damn. Thanks for sharing. I have to read that book after seeing that website.
What's it's like reading it? Are the words and sentences outdated at all? Or could you pick it up today and think it's a recent book describing current affairs?
3 Ninjakick666 2016-11-19
They make up a lot of whole new terms kinda like in 1984 or Clockwork Orange. So it doesn't come across as dated... kinda like BNW made up names for all the technologies... so does Stand on Zanzibar.
But it isn't an easy read... it is kind jumbled up like Pulp Fiction or some Vonnegut books.
1 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Just browsed the site a bit. Some of those comparisons are staggering. Definitely will check it out, thank you!
3 FanSciFi 2016-11-19
I recently found the movie, so I may be overselling it (doubtful), but "V for Vendetta" - AMAZING. It struck so true to today's events that I was crying at times. Grown ass man, crying like a baby.
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
For sure. I remember watching that when I was about 15 and being a little confused... but knowing what I know now, that's a movie I've been meaning to get baked and revisit
2 FanSciFi 2016-11-19
Definitely worth it. I watched it when I was young, I thought it was a horrible movie. I had no idea what was going on. During this watch, years later, HOLY SHIT! How could I have thought this was anything but a masterpiece?
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Funny how that works. Most of my favorite things now, I used to either not understand or didn't care for at the time but as I got more experience in life I was drawn back to / saw differently. I know a buddy of mine has a copy of V, definitely will be watching soon.
3 anaximander8 2016-11-19
"We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin deserves a shout here - it's the book that inspired Orwell to write 1984 (some would say even ripped off..).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)
3 effinmike12 2016-11-19
The Time Machine by HG Wells
I believe that transhumanism plays a major role in the shaping of the world. Perhaps Well's had things right. Here is an article that should help clarify what I'm saying here.
https://thehumanist.com/magazine/september-october-2014/features/can-humanism-survive-the-coming-transhumanist-revolution
Orwell and Huxley are probably the most noteworthy, but you may also want to cosider reading The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. There is also a BBC documentary titled "Who's Afraid of Machiavelli" on the tubes that's well worth your time. Aleister Crowley also had some interesting thoughts regarding totalitarianism, and he approaches it with his brand of eschatology.
In addition, you may enjoy watching a lecture or two about George Orwell given by the late Christopher Hitchens. It's on youtube as well.
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Awesome, I actually have a copy of the Prince. I haven't read it yet, but I'm familiar with the concept of machavellian warfare (which I do believe is taking place on a grand scale) so that may be worth a visit for sure. Will look up that lecture as well.
2 Pologrounds 2016-11-19
All of H.G. Wells' works are poignant for truth seekers.
3 claweddepussy 2016-11-19
Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury
A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Clockwork Orange <3
3 perfect_pickles 2016-11-19
G.K. Chesterton 'The Man who was Thursday' (chasing shadows)
Joseph Conrad 'The Secret Agent' (nothing changes)
Frederick Lewis Allen 'Only Yesterday: An Informal History of the 1920s' and the sequel 'Since Yesterday' the thirties
Frank Herbert 'Dune' (for the fountainhead and source of all scifi since 1965.)
L. Ron Hubbard 'The Invaders Plan' (ten book mega scifi saga)
Anthony Burgess 'The Malay Trilogy'
Graham Greene 'The Quiet American' and 'Our Man in Havana'
Charles Dickens 'Oliver'
Neal Stephenson 'Cryptonomicon'
Ben Elton 'Stark'
3 enscrib 2016-11-19
The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick.
3 m0rganja 2016-11-19
Might be a stretch and it's only a novella but Anthem by Ayn Rand.
2 cordeezy 2016-11-19
A brave new world and atlas shrugged are must reads. A brave new world is likely where we are headed before 1984 watch alduos Huxley videos on you tube. He died the same day as cs Lewis and JFK. His visions of the future from the 50s are scary
2 [deleted] 2016-11-19
I'm currently writing one that takes place in a fantasy setting, something akin to Mistborn or First Law. I'll get back to you in a year :) lol
2 FalcoLombardiPhD 2016-11-19
Haha ya I'd love to check it out. Good luck!
2 VenomousVoice 2016-11-19
Brave new world, Aldous Huxley
2 gaums 2016-11-19
Revolt of the Masses.
2 FrontDeskComic 2016-11-19
This Perfect Day by Ira Levin.
2 TinySartre 2016-11-19
commenting to bookmark.
2 claweddepussy 2016-11-19
The Trial - Franz Kafka
2 NomadStrategy 2016-11-19
The creature from jekyll Island is a must read for any awake citizen
2 GodDammitRicky 2016-11-19
H.G. Wells novels.
2 chiangrai_amy 2016-11-19
Welcome to the Machine - relatively new, but chilling nonetheless.
2 iam_amanda 2016-11-19
I would highly recommend Little Brother by Cory Doctorow, which is one of my favourite books. There are relevant themes of surveillance, civil liberties and social activism. Besides being really smart, funny and thrilling, it's quite informative. From a review - "it has detailed descriptions of how to counteract gait-recognition cameras, RFID's (radio frequency ID tags), wireless Internet tracers and other surveillance devices."
I also enjoyed the sequel Homeland. Aaron Swartz actually wrote one of the afterword essays, the other is by Jacob Appelbaum. Another random fact: it was shown briefly in Snowden's room in the great documentary Citizenfour.
If you're keen, you can download both for free on the author's website. Enjoy :)
2 haveyouseenmymarble 2016-11-19
Rather than being dystopian fiction, Daniel Quinn's book series Ishmael, My Ishmael and The Story Of B offers great insight into the dynamics of modern society; where everything originates from and where it all seems to be going. I certainly recommend it.
The story revolves around a telepathic Gorilla, just to pique your interest.
2 Dippy_Egg 2016-11-19
Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions or Slaughterhouse-Five
McLuhan's The Medium Is the Massage: An Inventory of Effects
Toffler's Future Shock
Stephen Baxter/Arthur C. Clark's The Light of Other Days
Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Thoreau's Walden
BF Skinner's Walden Two
2 V1NC3NZ0 2016-11-19
Neuromancer - William Gibson
There probably wouldn't have been a matrix movie without this book setting the theme.
1 perfect_pickles 2016-11-19
theres a female author 1981 who its claimed wrote the Matrix (and the Terminator), the movie people stole her story.
http://www.3blackchicks.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000478.html