r/conspiracy transparency. "retard" is now a banned word here, and apparently, there is a "list" of banned words, under the new "wording" of rule 1. Mods, what are the list of words, because I cannot find them on the side bar, or in the wiki...

50  2016-11-21 by Putin_loves_cats

Made this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5drf8u/11yearold_may_face_charges_for_bringing_child/da6r4zr/

Innocent, and a common internet "meme/saying"..

Recently, there was a change to rule 1, a bit vague, no?

Then, on that comment, this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161121072105/https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5drf8u/11yearold_may_face_charges_for_bringing_child/da8hji5/

So, there is a list of "no no" words. Is this list public? Shouldn't it be?

What's the list of the "no no' words, and why such the vague wording of rule 1, all of a sudden? Also, how is retarded a bigoted slur?

When definitions and wording proves otherwise..

I knew something fucky was up when the wording of rule 1 changed... Mods, some transparency here, I believe, is in order.... I'll wait...

57 comments

1  Sabremesh 2016-11-21

Putes, the mods are reviewing this issue at the moment. I'm afraid you caught up in a wider debate about if/when certain words are compatible with rule 1, and opinion is sharply divided. Watch this space.

Edit: The mod who removed your comment is not currently online, and in the interim I have reversed his decision on the basis that whilst "retard" would not be allowed as an insult to another user (Rule 4) or as a descriptor for a real person with learning difficulties (Rule 1), the context in which you used it does not fall foul of any rules.

4  secretlyacutekitten 2016-11-21

Don't do this. Learn about the Overton window and how you are helping to close it.

This is dangerous and for a sub like this hypocritical.

1  911bodysnatchers322 2016-11-21

Is the suffix --tard OK? Like pedotards?

1  Sabremesh 2016-11-21

Yes (in my view at least) as long as it isn't aimed at another user of the sub.

44  OnansElbow 2016-11-21

This kind of pc bullshit does not belong here.
The only value this sub has is its freedom of speech,which you are squeezing.

There are enough safe spaces for snowflakes elsewhere on reddit.

13  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

I agree, which is why I'm speaking out...

9  YoureAllRobots 2016-11-21

There are new mods here that are trying to steer the discussion and filter out certain types of posters. This sub will be compromised, if it isn't already, soon.

14  [deleted] 2016-11-21

I see them use the word "bigot" often when banning people and I'm not sure that they know what that word means..

12  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

I've had my fair share of run ins with the mods here, and for the most part they are top notch (I always stick up - when deserved), but, I think we (all) need an answer/transparency to this... I'm a long time member, who always contributes. What is the deal mods, the community needs an answer... I represent the community over friendliness with the mods, here. Where is this list, and really, this is the route /r/conspiracy wants to go?

1  [deleted] 2016-11-21

Is this is a good time to tell them I've been wanting to be a mod here? Lol

3  eleminnop 2016-11-21

Holy cow, what hypocrites! I figured it had something to do with racism, since it's usually slumped in the same "racist bigot!" attack by MSM, but how ironic that they use it to shut down speech they disagree with for a textbook definition of bigot.

8  TheFreeMarketeer2 2016-11-21

Is retardEd still acceptable? Cause that shits retarded...

3  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

Rule 1 [removed]. I don't know why...

3  TheFreeMarketeer2 2016-11-21

Dafuq... On a side note, Twitter seems to be Satan's social media site of choice... Didn't realize, I just didn't realize...

They ban arbitrarily but somehow miss pedos!? Ffs, sorry to vent man I just thought I clicked another account exposing them, it wasn't... That shit was worst than anything I've seen in combat. Fuck.

1  showmeurboobsplznthx 2016-11-21

The biggest dispensaries of CP Is the fbi so they "can catch criminals." They force vaccines to eradicate disease while doing the opposite with CP. Fuck weetards

7  wheelinganddealing 2016-11-21

Wow, what a joke. Is r/conspiracy falling like wikileaks?

7  Theres_A_FAP_4_That 2016-11-21

Putting in too many rules can retard the great conversation that happens here.

5  hhoq 2016-11-21

retard test retard testing

4  MarxistInternational 2016-11-21

The only word I would use to describe this situation I now cannot use! How's that for irony?

2  OB1_kenobi 2016-11-21

Depends on the context in which the word is used.

Something tells me that you got annoyed about something called another user a retard?

In this context, it's a personal attack. So the word is banned.

Personally I'm against this. You should be able to use any word you want when expressing yourself. The words you choose and the way you choose to use them says just as much about yourself as they do about the other person.

But that's just me. Reddit , in their infinite wisdom, has decreed that politeness is the most important thing. So we have enforced civility and a list of banned words.

2  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

Something tells me, you cannot read, in context. Sorry, I like you mate...

1  OB1_kenobi 2016-11-21

So what happened exactly?

Just curious.

2  SovereignMan 2016-11-21

I don't understand what the problem is with this.

The term "nigger" is used as a slur against black people.

The term "kike" is used as a slur against followers of Judaism.

The term "chink" is used as a slur against people from China.

The term "retard" is used as a slur against people with mental disabilities.

Seems perfectly clear to me.

If you have to rely on slurs of any kind or personal attacks then whatever argument you have must be pretty weak.

1  NaoTapar 2016-11-21

The 'n' word is not allowed

7  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

Which "n" word? Nigger, nigga, or nucka? Context/intention is everything. Which is my point. There was no bigotry in my comment. Hence why rule 1 is a death blow to this sub. I can call you nigga you cray, I like you, I'm cray.. But, If I say, "Nigger, get back to work, or I'll whip you you", it's derogatory, Context and intention. But even then, Nigger really means class and not race, in a historical context....

2  NaoTapar 2016-11-21

The first one.

I tried make a point in regard to the klu klux klan and was given a warning

9  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

Don't be afraid to speak your mind in context, if you're in the right. I like the mods here, but if they keep squeezing, I'll lead a mutiny for rights and free speech... They know this...

4  NaoTapar 2016-11-21

Id like them more if they put r/romerules in the side bar

1  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

I've spoken with mods of both, there is a legit reason. Politics, or could be more nefarious? I'm a out spoken person of this topic. I have no power in that sphere, though... I do agree. It should be here in the sidebar. Why it's not? Politics, and other reasons... A sub I mod would also not make it into r/conspiracy - (/r/AlternativeHistory), not enough subs... Even though our subs has thousands more...

5  NaoTapar 2016-11-21

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" ... the miss attributed Voltaire quote comes to mind

1  showmeurboobsplznthx 2016-11-21

r/wikileaks is already doing it heavily

1  [deleted] 2016-11-21

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-1  JamesColesPardon 2016-11-21

Testing?

You failed.

1  [deleted] 2016-11-21

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-1  JamesColesPardon 2016-11-21

Removed. Considering that you have edited your comment again and have claimed censorship while it consisted half of just ethnic slurs, enjoy your ban.

1  ihateeverythingandu 2016-11-21

https://66.media.tumblr.com/2c9a128698be3be3c90c2d5f01a1b471/tumblr_oejf4kWlzo1u9tdblo1_400.gif

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2  Sabremesh 2016-11-21

You're missing the point here. Users can say pretty much what they want on this sub, but that does NOT include abusing or insulting each other (including the mods). This is to prevent discussions descending into pointless slanging matches.

1  meta4one 2016-11-21

Fair enough , and point taken.

0  ForgotMyFathersFace 2016-11-21

See, in this context I can understand the mods taking action.

2  meta4one 2016-11-21

You'd be part of the problem.

-3  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

Rule 1: Bigoted slurs are not tolerated.

Also, how is retarded a bigoted slur?

Just because you personally like to use slurs doesn't mean that they magically aren't slurs anymore. That's textbook narcissism.

10  mmp 2016-11-21

Just because you don't personally like to use slurs doesn't mean that they should be magically off limits. That's textbook narcissism.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I didn't make the rule bub.

2  mmp 2016-11-21

You didn't make the rule but you'll defend its right to exist?

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I happen to agree that using the term "retard" as an insult/attack is hateful and crass. It has no place on a sub that forbids bigoted slurs.

1  mmp 2016-11-21

Good luck enforcing it. Here's a freebie on me from the number one post (at the time of my comment) on this sub that forbids bigoted slurs. It has been up for 9 hours.

Edit - Here are more from the same thread:

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

Example 4

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I quit modding this sub because the mod-team is dominated by hypocrites who are implicitly lying to the users and modding directly in opposition to the rules.

Also they decided to promote a lynch-mob/witch-hunt without any discussion beforehand. Dangerous and stupid.

1  mmp 2016-11-21

I quit modding this sub

You were one of the good ones and it is unfortunate you left. I don't know anything about the situation you've described or what's going on behind the scenes but thank you for moderating here. I hope you will still post and keep contributing to this place.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

Thank you. You were always one of my favorite users, well before I was asked to help mod here even.

Basically, rule 11 is being actively disrespected and undermined by the majority of the mods. Think Lord of the Flies. Liars and trolls are secretly being given carte-blanche to operate here if the mods subjectively like what they are saying. There is no leadership among the team and a majority of them in modmail discussions are nakedly hostile toward some of the sub's years-old rules but also refuse to even consider changing the rules to eliminate the hypocrisy. Two-faced, cowardly and dishonest behavior IMO, and I hate it, especially in a sub ostensibly dedicated to exposing and shaming that exact kind of behavior.

Earlier this year these same insubordinate mods were responsible for the change of rule 6 to allow people to SCREAM in their titles, aka engage in sensationalism. They did this by actively modding directly against the rule which explicitly forbade all-caps in titles. This went on for months and I complained about their insubordination and all they did in response was insult and evade. Sabotage essentially, and they were rewarded for it rather than booted. Sad situation.

2  [deleted] 2016-11-21

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1  mmp 2016-11-21

Different strokes for different folks. I have been here a long time and will miss Dusty.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

That's the creator of /r/conspiratard and /r/the_donald. He's ban evading, a reddit-wide TOS violation.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I've been censored.

Cute.

Check my userpage.

edit: it's since been fixed

5  [deleted] 2016-11-21

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2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

Slurs have been forbidden here for 8+ years. News to you?

5  [deleted] 2016-11-21

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2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

Not my rule, friendo. At least try to aim your witch-hunts in the right direction if you have to behave that way.

Rule 10. Temp banned.

-11  M0SHUSHI 2016-11-21

This sub should be shut down.

5  Putin_loves_cats 2016-11-21

No it shouldn't. How did you get that from my post?

5  NaoTapar 2016-11-21

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" ... the miss attributed Voltaire quote comes to mind

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I quit modding this sub because the mod-team is dominated by hypocrites who are implicitly lying to the users and modding directly in opposition to the rules.

Also they decided to promote a lynch-mob/witch-hunt without any discussion beforehand. Dangerous and stupid.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

Thank you. You were always one of my favorite users, well before I was asked to help mod here even.

Basically, rule 11 is being actively disrespected and undermined by the majority of the mods. Think Lord of the Flies. Liars and trolls are secretly being given carte-blanche to operate here if the mods subjectively like what they are saying. There is no leadership among the team and a majority of them in modmail discussions are nakedly hostile toward some of the sub's years-old rules but also refuse to even consider changing the rules to eliminate the hypocrisy. Two-faced, cowardly and dishonest behavior IMO, and I hate it, especially in a sub ostensibly dedicated to exposing and shaming that exact kind of behavior.

Earlier this year these same insubordinate mods were responsible for the change of rule 6 to allow people to SCREAM in their titles, aka engage in sensationalism. They did this by actively modding directly against the rule which explicitly forbade all-caps in titles. This went on for months and I complained about their insubordination and all they did in response was insult and evade. Sabotage essentially, and they were rewarded for it rather than booted. Sad situation.

2  TheGhostOfDusty 2016-11-21

I've been censored.

Cute.

Check my userpage.

edit: it's since been fixed