"Sold out"? What ever made you think he or anybody like him was on your side in the first place?

That's where you erred to begin with.

It's great that you're coming around. Welcome.

To some of us, it was obvious all along that Trump is controlled opposition. A billionaire New York guy (and close friend of the Clintons) who built his fortune on goodwill from the Jewish money power, obviously isn't "anti establishment". The disrespected MSM ran a reverse psychology campaign to get him elected.

Had he truly been anti establishment and wanted to "drain the swamp", the MSM would've treated him like they treated Ron Paul. They would've ignored him.

Well, let's not forget what we know about the DNC's role in elevating Trump in the public eye. He was given all the free publicity in the world because the Clinton camp expected an easy foil.

That may be, though it doesn't change the fact that I, and many many others bought into it as well.

Yeah. And that’s my point. You erred big time in ever having given him the benefit of the doubt and buying in to any of his shit. Yes - I’m glad Cunton didn’t get in, but people need to stop kidding themselves thinking that Trump’ll be any type of real change in America. He won’t be. By far.

Honestly, I would like to build bridges here.

Sounds good, my man. Don’t let me stop you. No sarcasm there, by the way. I really mean that. Building bridges is good. We should work together to bring the entire planet and all the species in it (human and non human) up.

Time and time again on not just this subreddit, but in real life and amongst the conspiracy community in general, I see and hear so many times, the non conspiracy minded getting mocked for their opinion rather than having it intelligently challenged.

You mean you hear the conspiracy minded getting mocked, don’t you? It’s the conspiracy minded that get mocked in this society - not the non-conspiracy minded.

I would like to see that changed. I mean ultimately, isnt unraveling a conspiracy about finding truth in a world of lies and obfuscation?

Absolutely…but realize that there is an are absolutely GLOBALLY powerful syndicate[s] (plural) working together to make sure and keep the human population (the 99% anyway) enslaved and ignorant.

So yes. Unraveling the shit is indeed about breaking through the lies and obfuscation…but the lies and obfuscation have been to a great extent put there on purpose by powers that work hard to keep us mindless, dumb, and confused…so it’s by no means easy to break through the muck.

Not mocking someone for believing a lie they were told and believed?

Fair enough. If you’re referring to me here, then I’m really and truly sorry. I shouldn’t have done or said that. I shouldn’t have attempted to mock in my above statement. I apologize.

We wanna build bridges not burn them, because ultimately the people we disagree with are still gonna be on this planet whether we like it or not. the world is only going to change for the better if a concerted effort is made to do so, and mocking others for believing lies, is not the way to do it.

I wish I could give you more than just one upvote for expressing this statement.

This comment isn't completely directed at you, but rather aimed at the general attitude I see and hear all too often in the conspiracy oriented communities.

Even if it was completely directed at me, however, it’s okay. You’re right in what you said here.

We should all work together.

Here’s what I have to say to you then, in a sincere attempt to help you - my fellow truth-seeker - understand things a big better on this planet:

The government and the politicians are for the most part NOT there to help you/us. Obama, Trump, Clinton…you should look at none of them as any sort of “hope” to better things.

Hell, even Bernie Sanders. Don’t look at him like that either. The man, after all, is a Zionist Khazar who was the sole figure responsible for making sure that The Federal Reserve was not audited.

He’s protecting his masters.

The point here is that the only real front that can change things is not any lone politician. It’s you. It’s me. It’s all of us coming together as one united citizenry and moving against the corruption together.

We just need to really wake up and stop thinking that any politician can ever do anything like that. They never have before, and they won’t now.

I would like the truth (no matter what it may be) to be there for everyone.

Very good.  This is the exact same philosophy I have as well.  “Truth at any cost.”

I find that fact that everyone has their own different interpretation of reality to be kind of disconcerting.

Well, it also means that reality is an incredibly expansive, amalgamated, holographically-connected paradigm that includes all perspectives across the cosmos.  Yes, that can get very confusing, but it also means that there is almost no limit to how much we can connect and express and experience if we tap into that cosmic all-encompassing perspective.  There are as many different ways of looking at things as there are beings doing the perceiving.

We should all be on the same page here.

I think we on Earth can be on similar pages even while having different perspectives.  If we can’t be on the same general page, however?  Well, while that can be very frustrating, I think the optimal thing to do is to at least make sure that you are doing things as correctly as you possibly can regardless of what anyone else is doing one way or the other.

I'm so sick of having to try and go through my own tedious methods of finding just what the truth is.

Yeah…well…It seems that on this plane of existence, we will continue to have to struggle and push to find the truth of any one thing.  I’m not certain that part of our job on this planet isn’t to struggle through an educational process of sorts designed to enrich our identities.

It seems that this process does not evolve without a struggle through the often frustrating path of learning.

That can often seem tedious indeed.

And even then, falling prey again to another tactic, another manipulation, or another well crafted story.

Yes.  Much of what we do in this life involves a “work in progress” type of process as we struggle through difficulties and frustrations on our way from ignorance to more knowledge.

It is unbelievable the lengths those in power seem to go to in order to keep us all "happy" and non questioning.

Well, that’s the case because they are in the business of convincing us that we need them and that they have power over us…and that takes a LOT of chicanery and deceit because this thing that they’ve gotten so many of us convinced is the truth…is actually the furthest thing from it, and we are in fact much more powerful than we have been made to believe.

I'm so fucking sick of it. We need change.

I’m pretty sick of it as well, and we do need change, but that change has to be internal and not external. It has to come from us - and it seems too many of us are still far too convinced that we need to be guided and told what to do and how to think by powers who’ve convinced many of us that they are “above” us.

I'm thinking crowd sourced investigation.

I think that would be a great idea. I actually listened to a talk James Corbett of the Corbett Report had about this very thing just yesterday.

I mean we already have a whole sub dedicated to it, but its disorganized...What if we all actually made a concerted effort to bring all of this to light.

Agreed. Better organization would benefit things. Isn’t there a dedicated pizzagate sub that would…Oh…wait a minute. Didn’t that get shut down by shit mods? Sheesh.

Over 400,000 people here. imagine if we could get a quarter of those people working towards one common goal

Well…we certainly can’t do that here on Reddit since we all know that if it gets too much traction it’ll get shut down - as has already happened. We have to find another place. There are a few alternatives that have been talked about as of late.

imagine if we could get a quarter of those people working towards one common goal, how powerful of an investigation force that would be. You say real change comes from all of us, not the ones on top, so lets try and find a way to actually make it happen...

I’m not at my place right now, but I know that - as I just said above here - there are various sites that seem to be getting more traction now that reddit is taking a nose dive. I already have an account at a few of them. Go over there and toss some of these ideas over there as well and see what happens.

Correct as usual sir.

How long will it actually take for the half of us who don't get this, to get this.

DUH

Clintons were guests of honor at his wedding..

He is an actor and billionaire

He's clearly a terrible human being

He hits on his own daughter

He has already gone back on everything he said he would do..

Heeeeee isssssss nottttttt onnnnnn ourrrrrrr sideeeeeee.

does it change how we , the ones who saw her for what she was , didn't want her either. It's like picking between two kinds of stinky shit but in the end , none of us win. I for one feel smug that she didn't get it despite all the rhetoric about a recount, she is done. So donald is backing down on a lot of promises, lets all have a cup of shut the fuck up and watch the shit show, its about to begin in a few weeks.

Just stop putting any energy into politics.

We can save this planet ourselves, we can overcome all the negatives. Voting is rigged, and maybe always has been. Wayyy too easy to do something like that. We don't need the government. We need each other.

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He is them. Trump was born into the Big club. You are either in the big club or not. If you actually believe in their left-right theater then you are a perfect example of a divided and ruled sheep. They don't give a fuck about you. They tell you what you want to hear/push your emotional buttons. Been going on since civilization started. Better get the lube out because big daddy Trump is going to fuck you same as they all have. Divided and ruled. Played like kindergarten kids. So obvious, but y'all Americans keep falling for it every four years. 4 years ago all the conservative faithful had Romney signs on their lawns. Romney spent a career gutting American companies and jobs and made millions, but y'all cheered him on as the saviour. Why? Because he wore the team jersey and told you what you wanted to hear, same as Hillary and Bill and George and Ronald. Big shit sandwiches and y'all keep eating them.

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I have some friends who drank the Trump Kool-Aid. They're acting just like Obamabots after Barry appointed the same people who wrecked the economy to lead his economic team. "He's keeping his enemies close!" "It's 4 dimensional chess!" Pretty soon they'll be changing their supposed "values" and policy positions and defending war crimes in service of dear leader. I wish people would stop placing their faith in politicians and billionaires. These people are loyal to one thing only and that is their CLASS.

changing their supposed "values" and policy positions and defending war crimes in service of dear leader.

True. And they'll give those war crimes a humanitarian spin, calling them "helping moderate rebels", "bringing peace and democracy to Iran", etc.

Protecting foreign policy.

To me, always seems, too naïve the belief that a "billionaire" (an insider by definition) will see for other people different of his status

He was always only interested in getting at the BIG money- Rothschilds and Bilderburg money- and it is about to get very ugly when others like you realize it. Election fraud played a role in BOTH sides, and Clinton would have done the Exact same.

Very frustrating, but our presidents are not in control, nor is our Congress.

No. This is divide and conquer tactic being pushed by the left.

Trump cannot prosecute Hillary because he is not a prosecutor. That would be up to his AG Jeff Sessions.

Betsy DeVos is not pro Common Core. https://twitter.com/BetsyDeVos/status/801505785742290945

The rest is just speculation about who Trump may choose for his cabinet, and butthurt about Trump not hating Jews.

They have been pushing this stuff all over conservative social media and the MSM for the past week.

I was shocked at how many bought into the Trump brand of "opposition" in the conspiracy community. It's honestly kind of shattered how i think of the whole movement. Now i realize that many people into this kind of thing aren't thinking nearly as independently as they thought they were.

Glad you're coming around, but in the future, you have to realize the people running the show will always have tricks like Trump up their sleeve.

I have a really bad feeling that we're looking at a major war in the near future (especially considering Trump's cabinet choices), and i honestly wonder how all the people that bought into trump's "non-interventionist" campaign promises are going to react.

He's been a part of the establishment his entire life.

I fell for it, too, in 2008. Why? I was fed up with the way things were going. Bush's illegal wars. Probability of 9/11 conspiracy. McCain was obviously no alternative. And Clinton seemed an even worse candidate. Obama ignited hope in a lot of people that he would end the wars and prosecute their perpetrators, though he never actually said those things. I noticed right away that this smooth talker was more of the same, in a more "progressive" package.

I learned from my mistake, and I hope that many people will come to see this Trump fella for what he is. How many more phony populists can the American people fall for. You have to believe that the veil is falling away from bourgeois democracy (capitalism), and its rotten core is more and more exposed every day.

"ok well, how could he become the most powerful man on the planet if the powers that be didn't want him in the first place?" Then I started thinking about media manipulation and how they spun their Pro Clinton narrative so hard. Was this reverse psychology? Did we get played by the media? Has this always been the goal?

You're just being paranoid now. How on earth would a Donald Trump presidency benefit them? Hillary literally represents everything they stand for. Her not becoming president was a huuuuge loss for them.

Well for one, his tax plan is a massive hand out to wealthy .1% people and will end up screwing the middle and lower class.

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When I found out that Trump was president elect, I was pretty happy. I kind of had the feeling the Dems was going to be pissed and that trump supporters would be disappointed. Like a double red pill.

I still hope that Trumps does something special.

Donald Trump Sold Out?

Yeah, enough of that garbage, please.

trump really isn’t too keen on keeping his word on draining the swamp

Fired Christie for doing the opposite.

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