Noam Chomsky??
7 2016-11-25 by fivefingerlid
Why do I hear so many people calling Noam Chomsky things like disinfo agent, or shill for the NWO? I've always thought he's pretty intelligent, and he SEEMS to be anti-status quo. What's up with the guy?
35 comments
6 digdog303 2016-11-25
He says some cool stuff but doesn't go far enough. I think he's an unintentional limited hangout, but worth listening to if you like to catasturbate over american decay to the sound of eloquent old intellectual dude.
2 NoahWebstersGhost 2016-11-25
As far as the sound of eloquent old intellectual dudes go, Noam's buddy Howard Zinn has an interesting speech about America's Three Holy Wars.
1 Skibiribiripoporopo 2016-11-25
You and me both. Do you think he knows?
n/a fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
Thanks for your response to my post. Long time ago, I know but...if you don't mind - please define "casturbate" for me. I don't think you're referring to the web's definition... http://definithing.com/casturbate/
n/a digdog303 2016-11-25
LOL no. catastrophe + masturbate. If you listen to chomsky he talks about how america is essentially imploding. If you like listening to that sort of talk, chomsky is good for it.
n/a fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
I can dig it. Thanks. I really got a kick out of the "...sound of eloquent, old intellectual dude". He really does like to hear himself speak.
3 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Jewish nationalist/Supremacist. Believes that Jews are the natural rulers of the world. Denies the existence of an Israel lobby. Rabidly defends Dick Cheney's 9/11 narrative.
Said who cares if JFK assassination was a government conspiracy, it was a long time ago.
3 fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
I just watched a video entitled; Video 1 – “Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic” and I can certainly see how he'd get the label "gatekeeper".
3 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
What issues do you take with what he said there? Is he a "gatekeeper" just because he doesn't believe that the Bush administration itself orchestrated the attacks?
Personally, I believe the Bush administration didn't blow up the buildings themselves, but possibly allowed it to happen because they knew they'd be able to benefit from the aftermath. We know that certain segments of our intelligence community had information regarding the impending attacks, but they didn't do anything about it (either because they didn't realize the severity of the threat or they were being told to ignore it by higher-ups). None of us can know the truth, so we should all be open to reasonable theories and possible explanations rather than forming one opinion in our own minds and criticizing anyone who has a different opinion.
2 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-25
They had more than just information by all accounts.
2 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
Yup, there was almost certainly some collusion between the hijackers and some members of the Saudi government...that's pretty much been confirmed. And we also know there's been collusion between members of the Saudi government and members of the US government. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone within the US government was aware of what was unfolding. This type of stuff is generally compartmentalized so no one who is following orders knows the full extent of what is going on, or how high up it goes.
2 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-25
It's interesting that the Bin Laden family members who were friends of the Bush family were helped to escape the country during the aftermath of 9/11 when they surely should have been investigated for possible collusion...
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1 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-25
Equally possible but still suspicious.
1 Mental_Cramp 2016-11-25
Ya, we had Osama in a military hospital on dialysis during the Clinton administration.
Plenty of alt news sites cover it. He was well known for needing dialysis and being near death at the time of 9/11.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-worker-i-saw-osama/
Absolutely no way the official story of him living for so long in caves and moving around is accurate.
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1 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-11-25
Removed, warning for rule 10.
1 fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
Thanks. I'll google your stuff.
3 bombsaway1979 2016-11-25
Manufacturing Consent is just as relevant today as it was in 1988, if not more so. Chomsky is a largely discredited linguist, but he's definitely contributed a substantial bit to our understanding of politics and information and how the dissemination of both effects public perception. But, like everyone else, he's only human; a melange of some good ideas, some bad ideas, some astute observations, some naive ones. He shouldn't be put on a pedestal, he shouldn't be dismissed all together....read Manufacturing Consent and come to your own conclusion.
1 fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
Thank you. I will read it
2 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
I recommend actually reading some Chomsky yourself and forming your own opinion rather than listening to that dude who has no idea what he's talking about. Don't actively seek out the people who are trying to smear Chomsky (like Alex Jones), or you'll end up with a bunch of confirmation bias and stuff taken out of context. Read Chomsky's own words from his own mouth rather than through someone else's filter.
1 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
lol wut? You clearly know NOTHING about Chomsky. I'm guessing you watched a 1-minute clip of one of his lectures on youtube, which was probably being taken out of context and used by someone else (like Alex Jones) trying to "expose" Chomsky as being part of the "zionist conspiracy".
As someone who has actually read several of Chomsky's books, I can say he's actually a staunch opponent of Israel and US foreign policy. A lot of his writing is dedicated to criticizing the US government's hegemony/imperialism. He also criticizes the role of news media in its collusion with the ruling class in order to guide public opinion (manufacturing consent). I don't always agree with Chomsky, but he's certainly a very intelligent and well-researched individual that I recommend reading sometime.
2 Deaconblues18 2016-11-25
You are Spot On. Noam is the kind of people that we NEED in this country and ALWAYS will. Not kids spouting about pizza.....
0 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
"A lot of his writing is dedicated to criticizing the US government's hegemony/imperialism. He also criticizes the role of news media in its collusion with the ruling class in order to guide public opinion (manufacturing consent)."
Yeah, criticizing the US government while denying the central role of the Jewish Israel lobby. Total fucking gatekeeper. Always blaming the gentiles.
And criticizing the news media, without ever pointing out that the media is a Jewish monopoly or damn close to it.
1 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
Not everyone has such a simplistic, black/white worldview.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Most Jews have a very simple worldview, and a very simple view of Jewish history. The Jews were eternally innocent bankers, and the gentiles were eternally evil anti-semites who might rise up again at any moment against their Jewish superiors.
1 SlumberMachine 2016-11-25
So tell me about how Chomsky has used his vast public influence to affect any real change? How many underground truth groups has he formed to bring about fixing the shit he complains about? ANSWER = NONE. HE'S DONE SHIT IN HIS LIFE TO ADVANCE LIBERTY OR TRUTH.
2 sipofsoma 2016-11-25
Are you serious? Chomsky has done more towards raising public awareness than everyone on this subreddit combined...infinitely more. Do you know how popular Manufacturing Consent has been, and how many people were influenced by it?
2 SlumberMachine 2016-11-25
Sorry, but teaching me about how the jail is made out of concrete does little to teach me how to break out of it.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Exactly. Chomsky simply wants a different style of Jewish bureaucracy in charge of the prison. He prefers Jewish-run communism vs Jewish-run capitalism.
1 mrsuns10 2016-11-25
Its interesting how in my classes our professors rave about Chomsky's influence in education but I wonder if they know this info
2 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Video: Chomsky says who cares who killed JFK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liS-Rl1Fx6c
2 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
And FYI, Bob Dylan was a communist, and he stopped singing anti-war songs as soon as JFK was assassinated and the war heated up.
In fact, within a month of the JFK assassination, Bob Dylan said he was glad JFK was killed, and that he identified with Lee Harvey Oswald.
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2014/11/bob-dylan-and-jfk-november-22-2014.html
1 Deaconblues18 2016-11-25
"JFKcountercoup". Wtf.....
2 daddie_o 2016-11-25
Well you see that's the thing about controlled opposition, disinfo agents and misdirection. They have to seem legitimate, and in order to do that they have to give you some truth to salt the lies. He does seem to be anti-status quo, but the key to seeing misdirection is in understanding the questions that aren't asked and the answers that aren't given. For example, his book on Manufacturing Consent -- he talks a lot about "the media" but never examines, for example, who own the media.
Anyway, here is [an important piece](mileswmathis.com/guru.pdf) talking about how disinformation/misdirection works and here is a piece outing Chomsky as a CIA asset/agent.
1 fivefingerlid 2016-11-25
Thanks. Checking out your links now.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Communism is basically a form of Jewish fundamentalism, but Jewish communists convinced/convince themselves that they are "secular".
Jewish communists use utopian, universalist language to promote Jewish interests and domination.
Communism and the Jewish "reformation" happened around the same time, and the Jews who stepped back from orthodox Judaism started worshipping communism instead.
They cherry-picked one verse of the Talmud to pretend that Judaism is a universalist humanistic religion. "Tikkun Olam" is the phrase they cherry-picked from the Talmud. "Tikkun Olam" means "repair the world".
It doesn't mean, "blend in with the goyim", it means Jews should control the world so that they can "repair" it.
This is the alternate form of Jewish fundamentalism that guys like Chomsky and Bernie Sanders and even Norman Finkelstein live by.
They're all messianic, self-worshipping, Jewish saviors of mankind.
They all pretend to be critical of Zionism, while gatekeeping for maximum Jewish power in the US and everywhere.
The only thing they hate more than Zionist rule over the US is non-Jewish rule over the non-Jewish US, aka self-rule.
Basically they're all Jewish nationalists, with the only point of debate being where the capitol of the Jewish empire should be. "Anti-zionist" gatekeepers like Chomsky and Bernie and Jewish Voice for Peace believe the Jewish capitol should be NYC, while Zionists believe the capitol should be Israel.
1 mervagentofdream 2016-11-25
Sorry, but almost every religion has a similar ideology. The whole premise of a heaven/hell doesn't work without believing you are the chosen one.
The only person cherry picking is you; making Jewish people seem driven by an archaic logic whilst failing to acknowledge the same presence in other cultures.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
White Christians willingly stepped back from the levers of power in the US. Jews cling jealously to those same levers of power, all while shouting about "white privilege". White non-Jews are the third highest earning ethnic group behind Jews and Asian Indians.
If white non-Jews wanted to act like Jews, you'd know it.
0 mervagentofdream 2016-11-25
I was wondering where Eric Cartman has gone in the latest season of South Park, turns out he's been here on /r/conspiracy this whole time.
Yeah, President Coen was a real bastard. Member him?
1 SlumberMachine 2016-11-25
Oh we've got a South Park watcher here. Better watch out, anyone with that deep of a mind must be very educated.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
If Trump turns out to be pro-goyim, he'll be the first since JFK and Jimmy Carter. And it's not looking good.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
OP watch all the Jewish nationalists swarm this thread and defend Chomsky.
Jewish "intellectual leaders" are defended like People's Temple members defended Jim Jones.
Jewish culture a self-worshipping cult, and Jewish "intellectuals" are defended as demi-gods by the faithful.
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Total blowhard:
Evidence Rebuts Chomsky's Theory of Language Learning
Much of Noam Chomsky’s revolution in linguistics—including its account of the way we learn languages—is being overturned
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-rebuts-chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning/
1 ScoutsHonorBall 2016-11-25
Sigmund Freud was another Jewish "genius" whose "brilliant" ideas have almost all been overturned.
1 Deaconblues18 2016-11-25
"JFKcountercoup". Wtf.....