Let me just first ask you this, since when is everybody OK with censorship? Freedom of speech is gone, and nobody gives a fuck. A whole subreddit being banned doesn't make you just a little suspicious?
Second, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for pizza gate, and even if you want to dismiss that, have you researched anything about pedophilia and the elite?
It's hard for me to comment right now because I feel angry writing this. All people have to do is dig for themselves.
It won't be hard to start forming the connections. Go through the points made on the post and research them. You'll find the truth.
Instead you want somebody to sit here and do it for you.
I'm not mad at you. I'm just not understanding of how people read ONE post on Reddit and assume that's enough to know what's going on.
I also up voted so people can give their input and help you with your search.
But a simple search on pizza
gate on this sub will give you thousands of links.
I relate to how you feel. Its hard to keep calm sometimes knowing what people's inability to accept these things can be true will do to the future of a lot of innocent kids.
I'm actually subscribed to that subreddit. The majority of people will not believe shut unless a major new source says something is true. The majority of people refuse to look beyond what the media tells them. So if that's the case, there's not much we can do.
If this person really wants to know the truth, they can simply start researching. The problem is most people lack skills for evaluation. They want other people to evaluate for them.
However, they have their doubts, so they come here. They want their doubts invalidated so they feel better, so they can sleep at night.
Who wants to believe this shit? I don't. It's so sickening. The handkerchiefs and the references to little girls and boys...and it just makes me want to throw up.
And then you realize that if these people are running the world, well perhaps evil is real.
I didn't write the post, but I'm doing my research as well and I didn't find anything that was incorrect in the post I linked. So I figured, maybe I'm biased from not believing the theory before reading the post, maybe you guys would argue against the criticism.
Did any of you realize the fbi symbol for "girls" is a heart? None of you can read graphics? You associated it to the ping pong logo "because the butterfly with hearts looks like 2 ping pong rackets".
Pizzagate is an alt-right conspiracy theory that a pizzaria in D.C. is a hub for a satanic pedophilia ring.
We should not care expect that these people have begun a campaign of harassment against said pizzaria owner and his staff and his friends, and that it's another glaring example of the alt-rights pention for buying into fake news, absurdist conspiracy theories, and cheap scare tactics.
So, now you know the "fake news" corporate MSM types are trying to dress this up.
Here is my take: there is some speculation going on about strangely worded Podesta emails and some other circumstantial evidence. Nothing solid yet, but worth keeping an eye on if any new developments.
In the meantime, there is little doubt from the Hastert, Sandusky and Savile cases that there is a lot of political resistance to investigating (and then prosecuting) real, documented, proven instances of criminal pedophilia. Its not like the pizza leads are entirely baseless.
I had to delete some of their words because there is a posting word limit. My points have a *
It is really hard to question the theory and discuss it critically with it’s believers because of the very poorly defined nature of the theory. I have tried to question individual pieces of the puzzle but the general replies are one of the following:
1. You need to dig deeper, educate yourself.
2. Okay you have a point but have you seen THIS.[link to at least 10 other loosely connected pieces]
3. Shill.
4. Okay you have a point but there’s something sketchy about it all.
(I won’t link to any examples because I don’t want to point fingers)
*I found this introduction unnecessary and pointless. OP did not say much here other than there's a lot of theories on the subject matter. Well, yeah, there are thousands of emails/connections. It's going to take some time to research and sift through it all. I get that. However, this introduction just seems too drawn out.
So I dug deeper and the further into the rabbit hole I got the more and more clear it became that everything is pure imagination. The general problem I have with the theory is that there’s no single narrative and no one piece of evidence that everyone who buys into the theory believes. Everyone who believes the theory has different ideas of what’s real and what’s not, but they all believe some pieces of it. Basically it hinges on everything rather than on a few key pieces. Further on most, if not all, all who believe it will just present pieces rather than cohesive thoughts and actually connecting the pieces.
*Pure imagination...really? So Obama just randomly order $65,000 worth of hot dogs. Come on now...
Did you hear anything about Soros funding Comet pizza?
The evidence
I will address most of the ”evidence” that I have found including the commonly linked, the less commonly linked and the obscure evidence used to build the loose narrative by some of its believers. For sure it won’t be all the evidence because there’s just so much that keeps getting thrown in and it takes a lot of time to research and write about, and some of it is in the form of hour long youtube video rants. But I hope I can raise the bar for the conspiracy theorists and their evidence, and I welcome them in showing me more evidence rather than just saying I didn’t dig deep enough, and also to comment on the holes in their reasoning which I will point out. For the non-believers reading this out of interest I hope to show you the quality of the believers investigative work.
*OK. He does little to address the best evidence. He addresses obscure evidence throughout his post.
The best way I can think of addressing the evidence is by rough chronological order of when the pieces appeared. It has been brewing for a long time with questions about the clinton foundation and loose accusations of child trafficking but I believe it really started to take shape with FBIannon.
It is of course impossible to disprove that it was a real FBI whistleblower doing the Q&A and the repeated mantra is ”plausible deniability” which is the reason FBIanon didn’t provide any proof of being in the FBI. Further on he claims that some of the outrageous claims made (like Mossad was behind 9/11, holocaust didn’t happen) is for further plausible deniability. I could probably write an entire post about why I strongly believe it is a clever troll but you can just click the link and read some or all of it and decide for
*Well, they said it here. Read and decide for yourself.
*There is way better evidence than this. Not sure why such focus on this? I can link you to better evidence in the thread. Pedophilia amongst the elite has been exposed thousands of times.
3. Codewords and E-mail leaks
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/191/070/af6.png
This was the real start of pizzagate as a term. In case you don’t recognize it, it is an anonymous poster on /pol/ giving us the key to solving the puzzle. Every news site or forum post which covers the codewords used in the e-mail leaks has the exact same source for the codewords, an anonymous 20 word post from 4chan, or the screenshot of the post. I think anyone capable of critical thinking should see why this is so weak.
*Ad hominim.
He wrote and dismissed the code words here. It was too long to quote.
If these are not code words, then you honestly think they are meant to be taken literally?
A good code word is obscure and difficult to decipher.
If they are code words, but aren't related to pedophilia, then what are they related to?
So, is it more likely that they are or aren't code words?
If it is code words, then what are they related to?
You really do not find that suspicious at all?
And that's why all the theories come in. There are going to be many theories with a code. So what is your theory?
4. Artwork and Instagrams
The real eye-catchers which makes for really good clickbait and really brings out strong feelings are the pictures.
I have tried to discuss it with the believers, trying to reason that a lot of it is artists doing their thing. Some of it is dark humor and a lot of it seems to be jargon. If you look at the pictures while already convinced that they are pedophiles I understand that it must be terrifying. Especially if you’ve never seen those types of artworks before outside of creepy pastas and other conspiracy theories. However if you look around the globe I’m sure you’ll find a few bars in any larger city which has some creepy and morbid artworks on their walls. Either way how you perceive the art is completely subjective and I can’t really argue that it is or isn’t
I believe all of the instagram accounts that were being thrown around turned private really quick, which a lot of believers took as proof that they were on to something. However it turns out an angry mob were sending death threats and accusing the instagrams of pedophilia. I would make my instagram private if that happened as well. And frankly I’m nervous about posting this write-up because I think there’s a high chance of getting doxed even if I.’m using a throwaway.
There is no way you can not be suspicious of the Instagram accounts and connections after watching this. If you really want to know the truth, watch this and tell me your thoughts. It made me sick to my stomach.
5. Satanism and the convicted molesters
So a lot of the artwork leads the conspiracy theories towards suspecting satanism, canibalism and witchcraft. If you visit voat’s pizzagate discussions you can easily see this. And it is the part of the story that I hope they can just drop entirely because it is so far fetched and unsubstantiated.
*Why? What proof is provided here?
Another angle is that they are all friends with a few sex offenders, it’s a very touchy subject regarding doxing so I won’t name them.
But how did these sex offenders get caught and convicted if it’s a huge conspiracy, and where are the codewords and satanic rituals in their cases?
*You claimed you researched this. Did you really? Start with the fundamentals of pedophilia and satanism and why they are linked.
Final words
I hope I managed to make a few good points, maybe convince a few people that pizzagate is a goose chase.
*I think he did a terrible job. He picked a few obscure things and focused on those. He didn't even choose the best evidence.
Okay I guess I brought this upon myself by coming here...
So Obama just randomly order $65,000 worth of hot dogs. Come on now...
This was adressed in the post, however you didn't comment on it.
*There is way better evidence than this. Not sure why such focus on this? I can link you to better evidence in the thread. Pedophilia amongst the elite has been exposed thousands of times.
Yes we all know about the British parliament and catholic church etc. The thing is: what do they have to do with pizzagate and satanism? Noones able to link the scandals to pizzagate, none of the links you posted did.
*Ad hominim.
Last time I was at 4chan they had "Only a fool would take anything posted here seriously". Is it an ad hominim to say a post has zero credibility?
If these are not code words, then you honestly think they are meant to be taken literally?
Well you didn't counter any of the arguments for why the e-mails are actually normal. Which when I read them in the posts context they actually seemed normal.
Watching it, 14 min in he's talking about the obscure evidence cheesybay. So basically he's doing as sloppy research as everyone else. That said the rest is just analyzing artwork and drawing conclusions from that.
*I think he did a terrible job. He picked a few obscure things and focused on those. He didn't even choose the best evidence.
Is there anything which isn't obscure evidence? I'm looking at the other links you posted:
I actually did read this before. His reasoning as I see it is: Systemic pedophilia in British Parliament and Catholic Church + Suspicious E-mails + Suspicious Art + Laura Silsby = Investigate systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC
So the suspicious e-mails are obscure evidence in your words (I call it dogshit/nil).
The BP and the Catholic Church is okay, we should be vigilant.
Laura Silsby weird, I can't explain it, probably the best evidence. I'm not sure what the narrative of the theory is though because she is just brought up as something weird. What is the context, what does it have to do with the art, pizza, codewords, satanism?
And the last link you sent (vigilantcitizen) is just artwork and instagram analasys. So almost the entire investigation and most of the best evidence is just analyzing art poorly? I'm sorry but that is worse than I thought. Thank you for your reply though.
It only gives you an idea of what creepy art they collect. There's people with pedobear picture profiles or names that are incestuous just to provoke their little friends... they might be dumb to do so but not pedo.
I guess where you want to go is: How can I not be shocked by those horrible paintings. I am. But that doesn't mean they are cannibal or molesting babies. They are encouraging a style I really don't approve and that shouldn't be sold. But now we get on the topic of what is art and freedom of expression... :/
I just not gonna start judging people by how they look or what crappy art they say they like otherwise a lot of innocents with poor/sick taste would be in jail!
I just don't get modern society. Everything goes now...except odd little certain things.
You can fuck dogs, get 30 abortions now, and have the most disgusting art in the world...
But don't ever say somebody is fat or youre a Trump supporter.
I just don't get how some things are out raging to people and some aren't. We censor some things and not others. There are so many double standards. I'm not saying this is you btw. And I'm not saying I'm necessarily against abortion or anything. But our society is so mixed up and it pisses me off.
The same people who will say those paintings/pics are OK are the same who will talk about being offended by any little thing.
To me, the paintings...art? are sick. Do they have a right to exist? Sure. But the implications lead me to certain directions.
oh I'm 100% with you on this and feel the same. It would be nice if they'd just stop pushing the limits too much but I guess it goes against "art" and "freedom of expression".... A meatdress is a piece of art and freedom of expression now, go figure! meh
All you keep saying is "there's better evidence than that" without posting them or elaborating.
The FBI symbol link you posted is the one with the triangle and hearts. It doesn't say anything about hot dogs, breastmilk, pizza, and all the other stuff that came from some annon.
If your code word was so difficult to decipher, it's not a bunch of beginners who would have figure it out in 2 weeks like "Hey guys, do you think hot-dogs means.....?".
If you are all that good in deciphering codes, why not all try REAL CODES like the ones from Ed Edward!
That's what the FBI means by "hard to decipher codes". Your pizza code is as obvious as the teenager code to go smoke in secret.
Because I just posted a huge post last night and I was really tired, and all you seriously have to do is search Pizzagate in Reddit and the best evidence comes up. However, I will link it to you. Give me till midnight plz
He's wrong that the code originated first out of just an anonymous reference . There was a post up earlier with links to confirmation on "cheese pizza" being a well known dark net term for CP and predated the pizzagate scandal.
Well anyone who has ever spent more than 2 hours on 4chans /b/ could've told you that, but that doesn't have anything to do with the other terms like map, pasta, walnut?
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11 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Let me just first ask you this, since when is everybody OK with censorship? Freedom of speech is gone, and nobody gives a fuck. A whole subreddit being banned doesn't make you just a little suspicious?
Second, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for pizza gate, and even if you want to dismiss that, have you researched anything about pedophilia and the elite?
It's hard for me to comment right now because I feel angry writing this. All people have to do is dig for themselves.
It won't be hard to start forming the connections. Go through the points made on the post and research them. You'll find the truth.
Instead you want somebody to sit here and do it for you.
I'm not mad at you. I'm just not understanding of how people read ONE post on Reddit and assume that's enough to know what's going on.
I also up voted so people can give their input and help you with your search.
But a simple search on pizza gate on this sub will give you thousands of links.
7 nottheoretical 2016-11-26
I relate to how you feel. Its hard to keep calm sometimes knowing what people's inability to accept these things can be true will do to the future of a lot of innocent kids.
4 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
I'm actually subscribed to that subreddit. The majority of people will not believe shut unless a major new source says something is true. The majority of people refuse to look beyond what the media tells them. So if that's the case, there's not much we can do.
If this person really wants to know the truth, they can simply start researching. The problem is most people lack skills for evaluation. They want other people to evaluate for them.
However, they have their doubts, so they come here. They want their doubts invalidated so they feel better, so they can sleep at night.
Who wants to believe this shit? I don't. It's so sickening. The handkerchiefs and the references to little girls and boys...and it just makes me want to throw up.
And then you realize that if these people are running the world, well perhaps evil is real.
3 crazyhit 2016-11-26
I didn't write the post, but I'm doing my research as well and I didn't find anything that was incorrect in the post I linked. So I figured, maybe I'm biased from not believing the theory before reading the post, maybe you guys would argue against the criticism.
3 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
So I just went through his points and posted.
He focused on the most obscure evidence and that was mostly it. When you are done reading my points, I'll link you to threads with the best evidence.
3 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Did you see this?
http://archive.is/MrsGu
2 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Well I have nothing better to do right now so let's see if I can go point by point for you.
I'll try.
2 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
And this? Omg...
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/pizzagate-4chan-uncovered-sick-world-washingtons-occult-elite/
1 iwaagh 2016-11-26
Did any of you realize the fbi symbol for "girls" is a heart? None of you can read graphics? You associated it to the ping pong logo "because the butterfly with hearts looks like 2 ping pong rackets".
The whole trail of "proofs" is just as bad.
5 rockytimber 2016-11-26
From the link:
So, now you know the "fake news" corporate MSM types are trying to dress this up.
Here is my take: there is some speculation going on about strangely worded Podesta emails and some other circumstantial evidence. Nothing solid yet, but worth keeping an eye on if any new developments.
In the meantime, there is little doubt from the Hastert, Sandusky and Savile cases that there is a lot of political resistance to investigating (and then prosecuting) real, documented, proven instances of criminal pedophilia. Its not like the pizza leads are entirely baseless.
3 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
I had to delete some of their words because there is a posting word limit. My points have a *
*I found this introduction unnecessary and pointless. OP did not say much here other than there's a lot of theories on the subject matter. Well, yeah, there are thousands of emails/connections. It's going to take some time to research and sift through it all. I get that. However, this introduction just seems too drawn out.
*Pure imagination...really? So Obama just randomly order $65,000 worth of hot dogs. Come on now...
Did you hear anything about Soros funding Comet pizza?
*OK. He does little to address the best evidence. He addresses obscure evidence throughout his post.
*Well, they said it here. Read and decide for yourself.
*There is way better evidence than this. Not sure why such focus on this? I can link you to better evidence in the thread. Pedophilia amongst the elite has been exposed thousands of times.
*Ad hominim.
*Pedophiles use code words. They have to. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hot_document/features/2007/the_pedophiles_secret_code/_2.html
If these are not code words, then you honestly think they are meant to be taken literally?
A good code word is obscure and difficult to decipher.
If they are code words, but aren't related to pedophilia, then what are they related to?
So, is it more likely that they are or aren't code words?
If it is code words, then what are they related to?
You really do not find that suspicious at all?
And that's why all the theories come in. There are going to be many theories with a code. So what is your theory?
*This is long but worth it.
https://youtu.be/rpwpK8irfBQ
There is no way you can not be suspicious of the Instagram accounts and connections after watching this. If you really want to know the truth, watch this and tell me your thoughts. It made me sick to my stomach.
*Why? What proof is provided here?
*You claimed you researched this. Did you really? Start with the fundamentals of pedophilia and satanism and why they are linked.
*I think he did a terrible job. He picked a few obscure things and focused on those. He didn't even choose the best evidence.
3 crazyhit 2016-11-26
Okay I guess I brought this upon myself by coming here...
This was adressed in the post, however you didn't comment on it.
Yes we all know about the British parliament and catholic church etc. The thing is: what do they have to do with pizzagate and satanism? Noones able to link the scandals to pizzagate, none of the links you posted did.
Last time I was at 4chan they had "Only a fool would take anything posted here seriously". Is it an ad hominim to say a post has zero credibility?
Well you didn't counter any of the arguments for why the e-mails are actually normal. Which when I read them in the posts context they actually seemed normal.
Watching it, 14 min in he's talking about the obscure evidence cheesybay. So basically he's doing as sloppy research as everyone else. That said the rest is just analyzing artwork and drawing conclusions from that.
Is there anything which isn't obscure evidence? I'm looking at the other links you posted:
I actually did read this before. His reasoning as I see it is: Systemic pedophilia in British Parliament and Catholic Church + Suspicious E-mails + Suspicious Art + Laura Silsby = Investigate systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC
So the suspicious e-mails are obscure evidence in your words (I call it dogshit/nil).
The BP and the Catholic Church is okay, we should be vigilant.
Laura Silsby weird, I can't explain it, probably the best evidence. I'm not sure what the narrative of the theory is though because she is just brought up as something weird. What is the context, what does it have to do with the art, pizza, codewords, satanism?
And the last link you sent (vigilantcitizen) is just artwork and instagram analasys. So almost the entire investigation and most of the best evidence is just analyzing art poorly? I'm sorry but that is worse than I thought. Thank you for your reply though.
1 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
I'll just post the links here in a little bit. You ignored the link that wasn't art work.
2 crazyhit 2016-11-26
If you meant the archived /r/pizzagate link it's the last section of my previous reply.
2 iwaagh 2016-11-26
The artworks mean nothing anyway.
It only gives you an idea of what creepy art they collect. There's people with pedobear picture profiles or names that are incestuous just to provoke their little friends... they might be dumb to do so but not pedo.
And that one is debunked btw:
np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5ez5r9/podesta_occult_some_debunk_14_fish_on_podestas/
2 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Just curious, did you actually view the artwork?
1 iwaagh 2016-11-26
I guess where you want to go is: How can I not be shocked by those horrible paintings. I am. But that doesn't mean they are cannibal or molesting babies. They are encouraging a style I really don't approve and that shouldn't be sold. But now we get on the topic of what is art and freedom of expression... :/
I just not gonna start judging people by how they look or what crappy art they say they like otherwise a lot of innocents with poor/sick taste would be in jail!
2 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
I just don't get modern society. Everything goes now...except odd little certain things.
You can fuck dogs, get 30 abortions now, and have the most disgusting art in the world...
But don't ever say somebody is fat or youre a Trump supporter.
I just don't get how some things are out raging to people and some aren't. We censor some things and not others. There are so many double standards. I'm not saying this is you btw. And I'm not saying I'm necessarily against abortion or anything. But our society is so mixed up and it pisses me off.
The same people who will say those paintings/pics are OK are the same who will talk about being offended by any little thing.
To me, the paintings...art? are sick. Do they have a right to exist? Sure. But the implications lead me to certain directions.
1 iwaagh 2016-11-26
oh I'm 100% with you on this and feel the same. It would be nice if they'd just stop pushing the limits too much but I guess it goes against "art" and "freedom of expression".... A meatdress is a piece of art and freedom of expression now, go figure! meh
1 iwaagh 2016-11-26
why don't you post it on the OP linked post instead.
1 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Don't feel like fighting with 200 people. I'm that type of person who gets stressed out over comments.
1 iwaagh 2016-11-26
All you keep saying is "there's better evidence than that" without posting them or elaborating.
The FBI symbol link you posted is the one with the triangle and hearts. It doesn't say anything about hot dogs, breastmilk, pizza, and all the other stuff that came from some annon.
If your code word was so difficult to decipher, it's not a bunch of beginners who would have figure it out in 2 weeks like "Hey guys, do you think hot-dogs means.....?".
If you are all that good in deciphering codes, why not all try REAL CODES like the ones from Ed Edward!
That's what the FBI means by "hard to decipher codes". Your pizza code is as obvious as the teenager code to go smoke in secret.
1 polkadotgirl 2016-11-26
Because I just posted a huge post last night and I was really tired, and all you seriously have to do is search Pizzagate in Reddit and the best evidence comes up. However, I will link it to you. Give me till midnight plz
2 nottheoretical 2016-11-26
He's wrong that the code originated first out of just an anonymous reference . There was a post up earlier with links to confirmation on "cheese pizza" being a well known dark net term for CP and predated the pizzagate scandal.
2 crazyhit 2016-11-26
Well anyone who has ever spent more than 2 hours on 4chans /b/ could've told you that, but that doesn't have anything to do with the other terms like map, pasta, walnut?
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1 crazyhit 2016-11-26
I had too look that up, and no:
That's not why I posted the link.
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1 SovereignMan 2016-11-26
Rule 10. Removed.
1 SovereignMan 2016-11-26
Rule 10. Removed. 1st warning.
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2 iwaagh 2016-11-26
You know what the previous cases had this one doesn't?
VICTIMS AND CRIMES!
YOU HAVE NO VICTIMS, THEREFORE NO CRIMES LOL
I'm sure some 4chan annon will come forward and say "I got molested by someone with a bandaid and a hot dog stand".