People have always speculated about what happens after death.

And there have been various studies done pretty provocatively indicating that what some people see after death is quite objectively valid. See Dr. Elizabeth Kubler Ross’ work. See Dr. Raymond Moody’s work. See Dr. Ian Stevenson’s work. These are just three of many academics who’ve published quite a lot on the subject and whose findings cannot be easily discounted by any intelligent critical investigator.

This premise is based on fear, it has no real meaning.

Dr. Elizabeth Kubler Ross, Dr. Raymond Moody, and Dr. Ian Stevenson (among others) would singularly disagree with this - and I’d much sooner vie toward their professional estimations than anything otherwise at this point.

Walk towards the light versus stray from the light. A decision like this is akin to predicting a coin flip.

Not quite. If what is said about what might happen at death is true, then A) the white light is extremely inviting. I’ve read multiple accounts in NDE literature where the experience of seeing the white light is described as “the deepest feeling of love I’ve ever felt”. “I immediately began crying tears of joy upon seeing it and feeling that love wash over me.”

I’ve even read a few accounts of people coming upon the choice of either going into the white light where there’s “nothing but love” or not going into the light and turning around and rejecting the light…but then seeing nothing but “fearful darkness” and “a dark void” as the only other choice - an option which every subject naturally tore themselves away from.

In addition to all this, the mental state that one is actually in upon immediately crossing over may not always be as entirely lucid for everyone as it is during waking consciousness. It might be more dream-like for some. As such, if it is indeed more dream-like, that likely means that the critically thinking, higher level consciousness is not being used, and what will gain more control over your actions and decisions at that point will be the more emotional centers of one’s personality. In this case, one will likely fly directly into the white, “loving” light unquestioningly without actually bothering to think critically about whether they in fact should be going into it or not.

As such, none of this seems to be akin to or as random or “chance” as any coin flip in the least.

A light is false if it doesn't illuminate the world around it.

That's why so many lights on this planet are false.

For example, when I was very sick and in a fitful fever dream in pitch black darnkess, I saw a portal open up at the end of my bed and was bright light. I felt it was calling me to go into it. I stared at it and noticed something very important. It was a light that only illuminated itself: not the room around it. It was a circle of light--a golden circle--with darkness all around it. This is how I knew it was false.

It seemed to have sensed I had come to this realization, and it quickly closed back up.

Vey well-said. Very good critical discernment there. Thanks for sharing.

Hm?

EDIT: I read the rest of your replies here. I understand what you're meaning now.

But how does the sun not illuminating everything around it make it a false light? Just because it doesn't illuminate everything doesn't make it false. It just makes it limited in its scope is all. It's a real light - just not the only real light.

It's a dying light.

Of course. All light in this physical third dimensional realm is a dying light. That said, the sun’s light’s not dying for another few billion years, so although it’s certainly not eternal, it’ll definitely be going on for a LONG time still.

If a thing isn’t eternal but, instead, lives for “only” a few billion or a few trillion years, then even though one can still say that the thing is “dying”, it’ll still be alive for so long in the future that - by human standards anyway - it can practically be considered “everlasting”.

Nothing does. "Everything" is quite a lot of space, for one.

Oh shit. I gotta see Finding Nemo - or at least that scene anyway...

Interesting.

Ahhhh. Say no more. I get now what you were talking about with regard to the "beautiful light" as it pertains to the deep sea angler fish. lol. Yeah. I'm familiar w/deep sea angler fish and their use of light. It's definitely not a "positive" light - at least not for anyone but the angler fish who uses it to trap and eat unsuspecting prey.

"Go into the light!!"

And that light is a big ass angler fish in the sky waiting to consume your soul. Yep. Good times.

What does that mean? What does one have to do with the other?

Yes. I'll admit complete ignorance about this genetic aspect of things. ELI5 please.

Thanks for this information. Appreciated. However, I’m still confused by what you meant in saying:

The two strands of DNA thing is a red flag. Humans have 46 chromosomes.

How does that relate to what you just stated in this most recent response? How are two strands of DNA a red flag? Why is it a red flag? And how does humans having 46 chromosomes relate to it?

Yes. I know. I really, truly am asking questions like I’m 5…but hey, at least I’m honest about it. :)

Incidentally, the talk of DNA and chromosomes reminded me of a lecture I’ve seen a couple of times a while back by recently(ish) deceased scholar Lloyd Pye. Fascinating video. Very much recommend it to you if you haven’t seen it already.

Thanks bro. Hey. Listen. It looks like you really tried to help me understand it - and for that, I upvoted you. Thanks. However, I think I might just be too dense to get it...cuz I didn't understand a fucking word you just posted. lol Shit read like pig latin to me.

lol. All good. Thanks. :)

Yes. I'm sure that is what I meant. lol Given that I'm generally a dumb ass, however, I'm not even sure if I even remember how I said whatever I said. Gonna go back and re-read my statements.

Thanks for helping clarify my mental diarrhea. Cheers,

Okay so wait a minute...Is it that the chromosomes themselves MAKE the strands of the DNA structure? Is that it? Is that what I'm not getting? So does that then mean that in my above OP statement where I said:

humans being genetically devolved/manipulated/brought down to only have two strands of DNA when we're supposed to have a lot more (Max says we're supposed to have "twelve")

I should replace "two strands of DNA" with...with what? two bands? two lines? two structures?

Thanks for helping me understand it a bit better.

Overall, I think your point is that the DNA structure is minimized from its full potential.

Yes. Exactly this. Thanks for helping me out with the word usage. Gonna go edit it now. Namaste,

Thank you for linking that. Fascinating information. Just finished reading the whole thing (on mute so I could concentrate on the typed words). Very fascinating indeed.

Namste,

Have you read much Cobra 2012 stuff?

I’ve heard the name “Cobra” mentioned the other day, but I’m not familiar with it at all. What is it?

They talk of scalar weapons. Scalar waves are waveforms that interact with the crystalline structure of our DNA. The entire field has been hushed up since Tesla's work and they just made a convenient non ionizing radiation label and deemed a whole chunk of the EM spectrum as not having any interesting interaction with biological matter.

Sounds like more covert, very powerful technology that TPTB told the citizenry not to worry about, closed publicly, and then began working on secretly in ernest.

He speaks of being in contact with positive ET factions that are assisting the planet's liberation.

I've come across several sources that say something similar, and I don't doubt that some of them are speaking honestly.

He says there's been etheric weapons deployed against us and that we've been in a quarantine by an intergalactic federation to prevent our negative spiritual contagion that will be spread throughout the universe by us in our deprived state.

I don't dispute that we are indeed in a rather deprived state as a civilization, but I look suspiciously upon anyone that attempts to give too much of a justification for keeping us enslaved on this planet.

Additionally, I've come across some extremely interesting information as it pertains to this very subject you bring up. Captain Randy Cramer of an unacknowledged Marine Corp Special Access Program has been given authority by his senior command staff to speak out about some of the secret space programs he's been involved in. Here he talks about some of the dynamics of our jurisdiction as Earth humans travelling in space.

since the 2012 shift the light forces have been able to make headway.

I'm actually very glad to hear that really.

ive heard it has something to do with a memory wipe.

Yes. This is the very thing that both Parkes and Spiers mention.

or at least a partial memory wipe.

either way when i die i hope i still have my intuition and choose the right way to go.

It's been said that that's one thing that they (whoever "they" are) absolutely can't take. They can't take our personality/proclivities - likes/dislikes/deep, core desires/intentions, etc. It's sort of like what would happen to you if you suddenly awoke tomorrow morning and had pretty much no idea or clue who you were or where you were.

You'd have no memories...but it'd still be you - and you'd still react however it is you tend to react to things even now: Whimsically, happily, angrily, spastically, etc, etc. Your personality's still you - even though the memories associated with whatever that personality experienced are (at least one some level) wiped.

stay vigilant and you will have nothing to worry about don't be deceived.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

also heard they use mind games to get a certain reaction out of you to get u to do what they want

Yep. Heard that too. This very much reminds me of a clip I saw not too, too long ago of a reference about this very thing you're talking about here. It's from the tv show Star Trek.

but i still think i would be able to discern good from evil.

Like you told me though, make sure and stay vigilant. Don't assume it'll be easy to discern. Perhaps the fact that we're here on this planet is proof that we keep getting fooled and trapped over and over again. :/

this life feels deja vu at times.

I've gotten that feeling a few times throughout this life. Yes.

we will find out what happens one day because we all gotta die but im going to try my hardest to make sure im not sent back to the earth plane.

I am 100% right there with you, brother. I'm trying to learn as much as possible in this life and use that to help me do whatever I need to do to not have to get sent back to prison come back here again if I don't have to.

Many of us have had feelings, recollections, dreams, and conscious waking memories like this. /r/pastlives is replete with similar accounts. Like famous Indian mystic, Swami Vivekananda said:

...how is it that I do not remember anything of my past life? This can be easily explained. I am now speaking English. It is not my mother tongue, in fact no words of my mother tongue are now present in my consciousness; but let me try to bring them up, and they rush in. That shows that consciousness is only the surface of the mental ocean, and within its depths are stored up all our experiences. Try and struggle, they would come up and you would be conscious even of your past life.

I was in my crib and I had the same intelligence I have now. To the point I remember laughing in my head that someone had to change my diaper and that I was on easy street for the next few years. And that my family I was with wasn't my real family.

Very interesting.

I'm pondering how effective a memory wipe could be to everyone.

I imagine there’s technology that exists that simply wipes everyone’s memories that passes through a certain…portal or area or something.

Or if for some karmic reason some people come back with limited memory's or intelligence from past lives.

Perhaps it’s simply not really easy if even completely possible to wipe the entirety of a being’s memories. Perhaps there’s a cosmic law that every being retains its experiences somewhere somehow in its memory. After all, existence has been proven to be holographic, and in a holograph, every piece of it contains a full and complete image of the whole. As such, it would seem that it doesn’t matter how wiped or fragmented our memories are made during the course of one or more lives. We all still eventually have those memories and can get them back under the right circumstances.

It’s like what I said about Swami Vivekanda elsewhere in this thread.

there are sleep disorders where if you have had them you can be haunted by the out of body thing, and see ghosts, demons, apparitions, or aliens.

If you’re OBEing and are seeing “ghosts, demons, apparitions, or aliens”, then it’s not so much a disorder as much as it’s simply something that’s happening.

Or you see your last sensory input, confusing it with a dream state, like your room as it actually is, or you see your body, now enters the dream state and then comes the see through apparition, out of body, or that barely recognizable again see through blurry dream with your room or body being fully projected despite of your eyes being closed and in an early dream state of consciousness of that face, demon, apparition, or alien. The mind playing tricks on you from it being partially asleep

If you “dream” that you have an OBE where you go to the house of your out of town sister and see that she’s wearing a blue Pac Man shirt you’ve never seen before, and she confirms the very thing when you call her the next morning, then your minds not playing tricks on you “from being partially asleep”.

You were there and in point of fact saw what she was wearing.

Have you died and come back, there is nothing, because that memory is literally wiped. Where there are often the thoughts leading into and then after, but nothing in between.

Veritable volumes of literature published by quite accomplished academics say and show the exact opposite.

What you described does nothing to do away with the various other reasons for why certain things/phenomena happen while in the subconscious state.

A phenomenon you experience is just that: ONE phenomenon. There are many different reasons for the occurrence of any one thing, and your being able to dream before you’re fully asleep is A) not all that uncommon (happens to me, my gf, and various other people I know), and B) it doesn’t in any way preclude or prevent the various other reasons for the existence of any number of other phenomena from happening while in the waking or subconscious state.

This REM condition is quite untreatable, take sleep pills was prescribed.

Why use the word/term “untreatable”? as if it’s some sort of undesirable “disease”. Why is being able to see pictures of what you think about (or just random pictures in general) before you are fully asleep anything that should ever require “pills prescribed”? WTF? Dude, you just described A NORMAL, WORKING MIND. This is how minds work. You think of thing, and you often visualize it. Nothing wrong with that. What’s so weird about this?

Or maybe I’m thinking it’s normal because this is the way I am and have literally always been my entire life and I figured this is just the way things are/people are.

Regardless, you seem to imply that there is “nothing out there” and that “they’re just dreams and that’s it” or whatnot.

There’s just way too much research that exists showing the exact opposite of this for any critical thinker to not understand that there is a LOT happening outside of this small, limited, physical dimension we're currently conscious of.

I would like to have it treated

You can treat it by realizing that you are one with Everything. There is an energy that composes everything in existence - all the “good” and all the “bad”. As such, you cannot be harmed because you are in fact not the body you look at in the mirror. You are much more. You are infinite and holographically contain everything and everyone.

How can any demon hurt you when it in fact comes from the same Greater Self that you yourself are one with?

It’s all one.

You don’t need any pills. They’ll in all likelihood do you more harm than good.

We are connected and there is a connection to the random world we live as individuals

This is correct - though the world is not random. Nothing is. Our minds are just not evolved enough to understand Its order is all.

whether people see that pattern or ignore it, doesn't mean there is not some kind of path or lines to our fate.

Of course.

So then, if you say this, then why did you say “there is nothing out there” above? This goes directly in the face of that and is directly contradictory to it. There is a lot out there.

However when those light go out, what science do you think that there is, because in trying to turn off a device, what memory is held.

Memory is not dependent on the lights going out or staying on, however. Doesn’t matter if the lights go out or not. Memory remains.

I died twice before, and saw nothing. Is that a good thing?

Way I figure it, if there is life after death, then hopefully I won't be in too much trouble when I get there. ;) and if there isn't? then I won't be alive to regret it anyway, so it's all good then too. :) Win, win!

In all seriousness, I've read various accounts stating that people's "post physical incarnation" experiences vary widely. Some remain awake and conscious through the entire transition process coming out of their physical life, and other souls/identities actually go to "sleep" upon "dying" and remain in the dark for quite some time after transitioning - almost like the soul/identity decided to just go to "sleep" and take a nap after the physical vehicle passed. I've read that this "spiritual nap" can sometimes take a long ass time. The soul/identity eventually wakes, however, and upon waking, it's faced with the same choices any other soul is faced with after transitioning.

And what if I do not choose the luciferian portal?

I guess that depends on which portal you consider that one to be. It seems that if you go into the white light, you effectively get “wiped”. If you don’t go into it and reject it…well…here you get into another quite interesting possible conundrum - one which I’ve spent a bit of time thinking about as well:

If you go into the white light, it’s said you get “wiped” and eventually returned/recycled right back into another life on planet Earth with all its trials and tribulation. If you don’t go into the white light, the idea is that you won’t get wiped and recycled…but…well…what happens to you then? I mean you won’t get wiped/recycled and you’ll presumably retain your memories - which, of course, would be a good thing indeed - but…then what? Will you be thrust out into the cosmic wilderness? alone? by yourself? now with no one around you? Then what?

It seems that, negative and mind-wiping as actually going into the white light seems to be, I’m not certain going away from the white light wouldn’t be fraught with its own perhaps even more significant perils.

Perhaps one can look at this dilemma using an analogy of a Springbok gazelle in the African Sahara: If you’re in the herd, you stand out a lot more and are likely to live your entire life being nothing but somebody’s meal in waiting - which, of course, would suck, would be a shitty way to live, and nobody should want that. Conversely, if you say “Fuck the herd! I’m gonna be free from this shit!”, and go on your own by yourself.jpg/260px-Antidorcasmarsupialis,_male(Etosha,_2012).jpg), then yea sure - you’re now “free”…but now, being on your own and by yourself, you are a LOT more likely to become easy prey to all the vast and sundry myriad of predators out there.

Not sure if that’s actually a better option.

I’m not advocating wanting to stay trapped in this recycle bin of reincarnation, mind you. I liken myself more to Neo than to Cypher after all (however true that self-image might actually be one way or the other). However, at the same time, I certainly don’t want to be the dude that ends up with his mouth open running for his life because he decided to “be on his own”. Who knows if there aren’t even worse dangers out there outside of the white light than in the trap of the matrix here on this planet? I’m sure there are to some extent.

So yeah. It’s a definite conundrum.

All this is to say that I certainly don’t want to get my memory wiped and get thrust back into life in the prison slave complex of this planet, but I also don’t want to break out of this prison and find myself out in the “real world” (the cosmic, open expanse) where I might be free, but end up being the spiritual equivalent of a homeless vagrant barely scraping by for scraps, all by himself, and begging for his living because he has no home, no family, etc.

…fucked up options it seems either way you cut it.

I must admit that the multiple reptilian references they dropped pushed me away.

I would say this is because you’ve allowed yourself to be swayed by the marginalizing propaganda of this civilization’s matrix MSM - the one that bombards you from so many different angles saying “There’s no such thing as Reptilians, and if you or anyone thinks there is, then you’re just a stupid dummy and deserve ridicule from everyone around you!!”

There’s more than enough data from valid sources (Parkes and Speirs being two of many) for any real critical thinker to realize that it’s very likely not just some sort of “ridiculous tale” and that’s it.

I wonder how many people, say, a year ago would have thought that someone is patently crazy and off their rocker if that person were to tell them that the highest, most powerful orders of political influence in this country - as well as on this planet - housed an ongoing, systematic, epidemic level of child predation, pedophilia, child abuse, and ritual sacrifice/murder.

And yet it’s 100% true.

While your explanation is interesting, I remain dubious.

Good. Use critical thinking. Don’t just say yes because you read it from me and that’s it. Keep investigating. Remain critically thinking, however. Remain open.

And know that we do absolutely live on a prison planet; there’s a power that has control of our minds and our way of thinking to a great extent; we’ve been programmed to think many things that are debilitating and self-destructive to our ultimate, long term well-being. It’s designed to dumb us down and keep us locked into a tiny, limiting space of shallow thought where we remain ignorant of all the life that’s out there.

This all seems a bit speculative.

So much on this planet is and almost has to be speculative because TPTB have made sure and sequestered so much of the actual truth away from our minds and eyes. So much is cut off from us and we are left with so little real truth that we can do little more other than speculate as to what the actual reality outside the prison walls of this planet are.

Also the whole "prison planet" thing smacks of Scientology.

Again, you revert to what your mind has become comfortable having been taught to associate with - what it has become programmed to be used to. This is not the fault of the associations that you draw, mind you, but of your own mind’s inability to realize that they are only just that: Associations that you draw. The associations aren’t somehow inherent in the actual subjects themselves that you’re associating. Society and the paths you’ve taken have cause you to think that way. The point is that it doesn’t matter if the term “prison planet smacks of Scientology” or not. I didn’t here nor have I ever before meant it like that myself. Therefore, realize that it doesn’t at all have that intention, association, or meaning with me and the way that I’m meaning it.

TL;DR: Lots of shit to consider.

I could sit here and explain it all scientifically. Such as lack of oxygen etc.

Isn’t lack of oxygen a moot point in the dimension where the white light exists?

The first time I was a child with a deadly high fever. I saw the light and a illuminated women within it. She stretched out her hand and I took it. I woke up the next morning without a fever. Family still talks about it.

Pretty neat. Do you/did you recognize the women?

Almost a decade later I nearly drowned in a undertow while swimming in the ocean. I was pulled to the bottom and was being hurtled across the coral. Again I saw the light, felt the same presence and blamo I open my eyes and I'm on the surface and safely made it to shore.

Fucking scary…but very fascinating all the same actually.

Again almost a decade later while off trail skiing with friends 4 of us took a cut through some trees while bombing and we ended up nearly flying off a 100-200 foot cliff. The first 30 feet was at about a 45 degree angle. All of us hit or landed on something. One hit a tree before going off the edge. Another happened to land on the only flat spot and me and the last guy were both able to stop by grabbing onto downed trees. I literally had my ankles hanging off the edge of the cliff looking over the top of all the tree's below. No light but the same feelings of being over watched and guided to a "safe" passage.

O_o Jesus. Dude, stay inside. You’re a walking accident. lol.

Kidding, of course.

And for whats it worth the one time I chose to go to the light I woke up with my memory's and I was still in this body.

Well that’s cuz you woke up, bro. You didn’t stay in the white light. I’ve read that the process is kind of different for many. Some get “wiped” the second they go in. Others meet with “guardians” or whatnot and have some “relax/down time” for a while before getting wiped and reincarnating again.

I'm very open minded so even with all these experiences I still doubt the validity of there even being a "light" that's not just natural brain chemistry during a traumatic event.

As I already mentioned in this OP, read the works of Dr. Elizabeth Kubler Ross, Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Ian Stevenson (Dr. Eben Alexander). They’ve all done research on a multitude of subjects (or in Dr. Alexander’s case, experienced the phenomenon first hand themselves) and have all described occurrences where the subject is able to verify things that were going on around them while they were considered “officially medically dead”. That simply cannot happen unless personal identity exists independent of the physical body.

As far as my family can remember we have always been "over watched" by angels. Which is odd since no one in the last 3 generations has gone to church.

The continuance of personal identity exists entirely independent of church or religion.

I do believe in ghosts after living in a haunted house with 4 others guys in college.

So wait a minute…If you say this, then how can you say:

I still doubt the validity of there even being a "light" that's not just natural brain chemistry during a traumatic event.

Are you saying that personal identity exists, but a white light isn’t at all a necessary experience after crossing over? If so, then I understand and wouldn’t disagree with that. If you’re not saying that, however, please explain.

Thanks for your response, by the way.

Very fascinating stuff for sure. Cheers,

It is kind of a cop out being that it's a know occurrence when you lack O2.

You’re saying that seeing a white light’s a known occurrence when you lack H2-0?

A) not that I know of, and B) I bet you a lot that seeing a white light when you lack H2-0 is very different than seeing a white light because your physical body just died. Two different types of white light.

But I toss it out so I don't get brushed off by skeptics cause I'm still partially skeptical of the whole thing myself (and the majority of my peers as skeptics.

Be careful with skepticism. It is no less a dogmatic disease as blind religious zealotry. There’s really no difference between the blind religious zealot and the blind skeptic. They’re just at opposite ends of the “denial” spectrum.

I’d say work more toward simply being a critical thinker than a skeptic per se.

As for needing to breath while I was in the light I, don't remember.

There was no “physical you” while you were in the light, so there was no need to breathe there - certainly not in the physical, third dimensional scope of the word anyway.

I had to swim back in alone crying and gasping for air.

So you almost drowned, but even though no one came to help you, you managed to swim yourself all the way back to shore? How were you able to do that if you had almost just drowned moments before? Sounds pretty scary actually.

One side being its natural(brain or psychosis) and the other being it's all real.

Brain/psychosis is all real too though.

Could have been a guardian turning me around in line.

Yep. Possibly. Someone saying “Nope. It’s not your turn yet.”

To see and hear things in this reality is one thing but to have them in say a dream state or near death experience leaves room for the easily explainable.

Not if what you experience in the dream state has a direct influence or causal corollary in the waking state. If I dream that I went to the grocery store and saw a girl in a yellow dress I’d never known or seen before, started talking to her, found out her name was Mary and that she’s from Oregon…and then later on that day while I was awake, I go to the store and THAT EXACT SAME THING HAPPENS…then there’s simply no “skepticism” to work through. You had an absolutely synchronistic event that cannot be explained by modern MSM science (“$cience”). Simple as that.

I'm kind of one of those "have to see it to believe it" types.

I’d say maybe not because you’ve already had various anomalous experiences in your life and yet you still doubt their validity.

But as you can tell I'm still open to suggestion.

Be open to critical thinking and logic is all you have to be open to really.

More along the lines of the white light and my experiences may have just been mere hormones and brain chemicals on over drive.

That may have been what happened in your case, but there have been far too many cases where some of the things that people see while in the white light get verified in the physical, third dimensional state, and they are things the person in question had no way or knowing beforehand.

Like a 15 year old girl who’s an only child, born and raised in Alabama dies. Goes into the light. Meets up with a beautiful 9 year old boy she’s never seen before. He tells her his name is Roger and that he’s her brother. He says “Tell mom and dad I said hello. And tell mom to stop kicking herself over what happened after school in Wyoming. It wasn’t her fault.”

Girl is brought back to life, and after she’s stable and her parents come to see her, she tells her mom what happened.

Mom sobs uncontrollably. Girl finds out parents never told her that before she was born her parents had a child named Roger who got hit by a car after deciding to walk home from school because mom was very late picking him up.

Accounts like this are replete in NDE literature.

Your white light might be explained away, Cases like the one above one, however, can’t be.

To put it bluntly if I was certifiably dead tomorrow and was standing over my corpse in the morgue I would probably question whether I was actually dead.

That’s not an intelligent critical thinker, however. That’s simply someone who doubts just to doubt - someone who’s taken skepticism to absurd lengths. You can doubt that you and I have been communicating back and forth with one another too. You can doubt that you’re even communicating with another human being right now. I could just be a complicated, intelligent program. Sure. A critical examination of all the known facts of the world we live in, however, should help you throw out almost any option other than that your actually communicating with a live human being (me) right now.

Similarly, if you died and are standing above your own dead corpse looking down at it, and none of the people around the dead corpse respond to your trying to get their attention…then you can reasonably come to the non-skeptical conclusion that A) they can’t see or hear you, and B) you’re still alive and your personal identity has survived the expiration of the physical body you were previously using as a vehicle.

I'd most likely be standing there trying to make "logical"(scientific) sense of it all.

But I just finished making scientific sense of it in my response/example above. What you’re doing is using a particularly caustic variant of science that’s much more like “$cience” that has gotten people to stop being actual critical thinkers and gotten them to, instead, doubt just for the very sake of doubting. That’s a different thing altogether from actual science and critical thinking.

I figure my lack of a religious upbringing leaves me questioning more than going on faith with this matter.

It has nothing to do with religion one way or the other. You can be the most non-religious person in the world, but if you’re truly logical and truly an intelligent, critical thinker, then you’ll go where the evidence and the data logically, rationally leads you regardless of whether it’s something that the MSM tells you is “hogwash” or not.

Don’t confuse skepticism for intelligence. Too many people do nowadays - and they shouldn’t, for skepticism is only to doubt…and doubting is good IF YOU HAVE GOOD CAUSE FOR IT. If you actually have a more logical reason for moving toward A rather than B, however, then it should never matter what B actually is or that it might be contrary to or go outside of the physical or what’s popular in this society, etc.

Again, this is not about religion one way or the other. This is simply about intelligence and critical thinking.

For me to 100% believe my own experiences I'd need to be fully aware and not under any type of stress.

But I’d say you don’t actually mean that. For example, you very much believed you were about to drown, didn’t you? Your belief was so powerful that you screamed and cried out to anyone and everyone around to help you, right? Yet you were under terrible stress at that time. This shows that stress is not a factor the effects what you do and don’t believe.

Example would be while sitting here answering your questions a bright light starts to form. I'd need it to happen in this reality if you know what I'm saying.

If you have an experience in one reality “A” that has a direct corollary and effect in this reality “B”, then one would be rather remiss to deny the validity and external existence of A.

The only reason I can say I believe in paranormal activity what ever they may be is because my experiences were not under duress. That and 4 other dudes plus guests every day for almost a year all saw, heard, smelled the same things.

So then if you’re aware of the existence of paranormal activity, then you understand that there are things that are intelligent and that are not limited to existing in this physical third dimension alone.

Once you understand this fact, then you necessarily have to concede to the possibility of the existence of all kinds of other worlds and identities.

In some cases people don't get a choice:( what does it mean then?

Well, I think A) people often get a lot more of a choice than they think they do, but B) karma (the real kind - not the reddit kind) does in fact seem to be a very real phenomenon, and depending upon one’s karmic ties/weight/baggage/debts, it might be quite a bit harder for some personalities to feel like they have a choice. They might simply get drawn in to almost having to address certain incarnational issues which would otherwise keep them from just simply “taking off” away from the white light.

my dad was told to go back away from the light when he was a kid (under gas at the dentist) so I am interested by this post and scared also O_o

In your dad’s case, it could have possibly have meant that - given that he was young when this happened - it was simply not his time to finish the life he was living yet.

TPTB might have just been saying to him “Nuh uh, kid. We’re not recycling you that fast. Get back in that body and live out that life. We’ll get you in a few more decades.”

Saw quite a bit of this lecture a few weeks ago. Thanks for linking it here. Greer's maligned by many, but he also has much valid and valuable information as well.

Ahhhh. Say no more. I get now what you were talking about with regard to the "beautiful light" as it pertains to the deep sea angler fish. lol. Yeah. I'm familiar w/deep sea angler fish and their use of light. It's definitely not a "positive" light - at least not for anyone but the angler fish who uses it to trap and eat unsuspecting prey.

"Go into the light!!"

And that light is a big ass angler fish in the sky waiting to consume your soul. Yep. Good times.