This is really dumb.

Let's start with your title: "Moderators of r/WhereIsAssange created r/WikileaksCircleJerk to try to discredit part of their own userbase"

Literally false. I am the creator of /r/whereisassange. There are three other mods there as well. You will note that not a single one is a mod of r/WikileaksCircleJerk, nor did any of us create it. You start your post with a total lie. Not a great way to begin, champ.

The creator of WikileaksCircleJerk hangs out with moderators from r/WhereIsAssange

That's a screenshot of my public PGP key, requested by multiple users. I posted it in a sub that someone created for posting PGP keys. It looks like the same person that created the /r/GodSaveTheWhiteWizard sub created /r/Wikileakscirclejerk, though you will note I posted my PGP in the first sub before the second was ever created.

The rest of your post isn't even about the same thing, but rather a bolted on fake controversy on top of another fake controversy that you created, so I'm not even going to respond to it (especially since it has been addressed in other places). You are either making things up or are very confused. Either way, get your shit together.

Edit: removed unnecessary attacks.

People can read the thread below this if they want to read my direct responses to this shill supporting moderator, since we had like an 8 comment back and forth.

Yes, the thread where you refuse to acknowledge the first part of your post is a complete lie, and where you now respond to everything that I say with, "k". I'm not sure why you'd want to direct people to a thread in which you act like a petulant teenager.

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You guys really are paid full time to keep the argument going no matter what

Yes, I could say the same to you. You are, after all, still responding, and have still refused to acknowledge the obvious falsehood at the beginning of your post.

It's because you kept asking me to rehash the same argument again, and again. DirectTheCheckered is new, you and other regular WhereIsAssange shills are directly associated with the creator of that subreddit, and you are pushing for heavy handed moderation just like r/wikileaks.

No, you are redirecting. I actually didn't talk about DTC at all and said several times that it was addressed elsewhere. I am specifically talking about your claims that we are linked to the circlejerk sub. The false claims. If that wasn't clear, this is me clarifying it.

Your patterns of arguing (the logic, the repitition, style etc.) are convincing me even more and more that you are actually a shill and not just a moderator that got mixed up with other moderator shills. You guys probably share accounts?

If that weren't happening, how could I prove so? Give me your ideal method of proving this negative. You can find me very easily online. I have been fully doxxed since day one of starting the /r/WhereIsAssange subreddit and discord.

Ok man I put some simple freakin' evidence at the top of this post, and now you're going into some 12-comments exchange mental gymnastics mode. What is so complicated about what I presented?

My arguments,

. DirectTheCheckered is new, you and other regular WhereIsAssange shills are directly associated with the creator of that subreddit, and you are pushing for heavy handed moderation just like r/wikileaks.

are all strongly suggested by common sense. You're making me have the exact same exchange below we just had.

r/WhereIsAssange merging with r/Wikileaks running on schedule.

Ok man I put some simple freakin' evidence at the top of this post, and now you're going into some 12-comments exchange mental gymnastics mode. What is so complicated about what I presented?

My arguments,

. DirectTheCheckered is new, you and other regular WhereIsAssange shills are directly associated with the creator of that subreddit, and you are pushing for heavy handed moderation just like r/wikileaks.

I have been very clear all along that this was addressed elsewhere. But to answer this... AGAIN... several of us are new to modding on reddit. This is my first sub of any reasonable size. I didn't know you couldn't edit post titles for a solid year after I started using reddit. Anyway, the proof you offer is tenuous at best. And the conversations we've had around making rules/content policies are just that... conversations. We are trying to elicit user feedback. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with that.

Now that I answered your question, will you acknowledge that the first part of your post, the part above what you just quoted, is wrong? Your title is "Moderators of r/WhereIsAssange created r/WikileaksCircleJerk to try to discredit part of their own userbase". That's simply not true. We didn't create it. None of us even post there. You can go look yourself. Anyone reading this can go look themselves (please do). Next, your assertion that I "hang" with them because of ONE POST where I post my PUBLIC PGP KEY in an unrelated subreddit is... really a stretch, man. I just want you to admit that the very first part of your post is BS. You can even just say you're wrong, you don't have to admit to lying. But it is wrong.

Love these "controlling the narrative skills" you're showing. How long have you worked on them? You sound just like DirectTheCheckerd, someone who works hard to control the narrative too.

I didn't know you couldn't edit post titles for a solid year after I started using reddit.

Full of shit on that one. Are you DirectTheCheckered? She said the same thing.

And the conversations we've had around making rules/content policies are just that... conversations.

Yeah, freakin' unilateral conversations. You don't take user feedback about conditions for removing posts (many have said get rid of it), and it's so pointlessly heavy handed in the first place, why do we even have to defend ourselves against your 1 way imposition of rules? Nobody fucking wants it except the trove of shills you let flourish on that subreddit.

Still, why don't pass a policy to ban shills? You only ban people who criticize shills.

Yeah I know it's an unrelated sub, obviously, the point is it's a tiny sub and you and other known shills hang out with that guy. It's a direct association.

You didn't answer much, but you're really great at working that narrative and skipping over details.

Good luck Iam_danger, now I am fully convinced you are a shill just like your other shill moderators.

Prove you aren't a shill.

(hint: you can't)

If you can't be bothered to spend 5 seconds googling my username to confirm I am an actual person, I can't help you. Best of luck to you as well.

whats really sad is that we actually have to discuss this here rather than be open and honest and discuss it at /r/WhereIsAssange. Pathetic. And buildingmaterial is right on 2 out of 3 anyway. Dont understand the relation to the circlejerk sub, to me less important than the other 2 points, which are 100% true.

Dude get the fuck out of here with that, I have been active here for weeks and was here well before Direct was a mod, they are doing fine and you're spreading a bunch of misinfo to attempt to sabotage the subreddit. Who the fuck are you?

danger, your sub was great and went to shit when you added directthecheckered. fact.

no shills banned, heavy handed modding enacted, which you had said at the outset you wouldnt do. I migrated from /r/wikileaks just because of this behavior there. The same team of whomever keeps playing whackamole with these subs as they gain traction. If you cant see this you are blind, and it is a shame because the whole point is to have a rational and critical discourse that might help lead to truth discovery. That is not what is happening now.

Fuck this post, you are making shit up and trying to start drama. Too bad there are people who are dedicated on the subreddit who know very well that the moderation has been fine. Who are you honestly

YOU ARE ONE OF THE SHILLS DUDE. We all know that.

Who's we?! Lmfao your account is 9 days old I was here calling out the actual shills 5 days before you even created your account. Look at my fucking post history you daft motherfucker. Wow

astronomist - Fuck this post, you are making shit up and trying to start drama

Shill

Hey /u/buildingmaterial, you can edit your posts to include passive-aggressive "oh I really riled 'em up!" statements but not respond to comments in your OP? C'mon, man. Grow a spine and defend why you started this post off with a blatant lie.

Sorry, I just despise you for letting WhereIsAssange be taken over by shills, including at least a few of your moderators. You never had the decency to ban a single one for the sake of all the normal users. You're pushing heavy handed moderations just like r/Wikileaks, you aren't banning a single shill, so guess what? You're getting the same reputation as r/wikileaks, and you deserve it.

Still no answer for why you started off this post with a total fabrication?

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.

Not a fabrication, sorry. Your DirectTheChekcered moderator is obviously new to Reddit and a shill. You hang out in tiny, intimate subreddits with TomPain (a shill) and the creator of WikiLeaksCircleJerk which lampoons your own users. You are pushing heavy handed moderation to control the narrative just like r/Wikileaks.

Yes, I know, you don't give a shit about the normal users of your sub, you might have at one point, you obviously don't now.

Moderators of r/WhereIsAssange created r/WikileaksCircleJerk to try to discredit part of their own userbase

r/WikileaksCircleJerk

Note their crossposts with r/WhereIsAssange, making fun of their own users who want to organize a protest - a strategy to get media attention and push for answers.

^ A lie. As I noted in another post in this same thread. The person who created this is not one of the WIA mods. None of us have even posted in the sub. You can't even admit that you started your post with a total lie. You are in denial of reality.

Lol I think you and DirectTheCheckered share accounts. Typical deflection, ignoring what I actually said

You hang out in tiny, intimate subreddits with TomPain (a shill) and the creator of WikiLeaksCircleJerk which lampoons your own users.

Way to ignore the other claims of the post too:

Your DirectTheChekcered moderator is obviously new to Reddit and a shill.

Sorry man, you and your sub is controlled by the same r/wikileaks people.

It's not even a surprising claim really. There is obviously a suppression movement. It was predictable.

Lol I think you and DirectTheCheckered share accounts. Typical deflection, ignoring what I actually said

You're retarded then. You can find me very easily online. My thoughts are my own.

You hang out in tiny, intimate subreddits with TomPain (a shill) and the creator of WikiLeaksCircleJerk which lampoons your own users.

Literally false. I have never posted in the wikileakscirclejerk sub. You are a liar or a fool. Which is it?

The other claims have been addressed elsewhere. I can't help that you are too dumb or lazy to find it.

You're retarded then

And you are a shill or a shill supporter. Of course if I called you a shill on WhereIsAssange I would be banned, because you passed rules that protect your shils, that prevent you from calling a shill a shill.

You still haven't addressed the fact that your claims about us being involved with the circlejerk sub are completely made up by you.

Why do you refuse to admit you were wrong? Either you were wrong, or lying. Which is it?

You are just like TomPain, DisinfoHunter, DirectTheCheckered, pyrography, sferau, haerrt, Saudi-Prince, MarkZuckNoFucks, ub3rm3nsch, etc, etc. all roled up into one, paid full-time to keep the argument going no matter what.

I presented my evidence in the post text and I've rehashed here two times now in our comment stream, please read it again or get lost. Adios asshole.

You are just like TomPain, DisinfoHunter, DirectTheCheckered, pyrography, sferau, haerrt, Saudi-Prince, MarkZuckNoFucks, ub3rm3nsch, etc, etc. all roled up into one, paid full-time to keep the argument going no matter what.

I wish I was getting paid for this. Instead I am talking to your dumb ass for free. What fun! Still not going to even try to come up with an excuse for why the very first sentence of your post is a lie? Pathetic.

I presented my evidence in the post text and I've rehashed here two times now in our comment stream, please read it again or get lost. Adios asshole.

So... just to be clear... the evidence that I "hang out" with the creator of the circlejerk sub is that I made one post in another sub that person created for the purpose of posting PGP keys. I just want to make sure I understand. Because if so, you're a special kind of stupid.

Ok

If you actually want to engage in a discussion, let's do it... I am fine having a public discussion regarding /r/whereisassange any time, any place. But you posted here thinking that we wouldn't see it or wouldn't respond, and now that you are presented with actual facts (instead of the groundless bullshit you started your post off with) you scurry away like a fucking coward. You are pathetic.

k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mpClSPyhk

Nice

Fawlty Towers is legit, son.

These people need to be banned! No the ones who bring creditable evidence to the board.

FYI

You can see the modlog and modmail in the side bar.

Every action on the sub is publicly available.

Yes, I can publicly see how you have not banned any shill accounts. I can publicly see how you are pushing heavy handed moderation to control the narrative, like r/wikileaks. I can publicly see how DirectTheCheckered is new to Reddit.

Just because you have public mod logs doesn't mean you don't have an agenda running your subreddit.

DirectTheCheckered rhymes with...

That's the fucking point dude, that's on purpose, WOOSH

o rly?

I agree! It is taken over by shills and a lot of them came to this thread to stick up for theirselves. THEY downvote any important evidence so it's buried at the bottom. And they swarm your post making your post not important. I was BANNED for posting pictures of surveillance camera takin Julian from the embassy. That's pretty good evidence right? Well they told me it was a construction truck with a convey of cleaning lady vans behind them. Like wtf. It's a police van escorting 2 SERCO prison vans. So I complained on a post that talked about "mod behavior" and the mod saw my post and he banned me immediately for complaining on him. That board is not creditable!! They have a timeline of events the shills posted that is completely wrong. They send out disinformation to confuse everyone on the board. It's unbelievable and not good for business

exactly

OP, you come of looking really unreasonable and untenable in these threads

Nice find.

This is directed to OP only, if you spread false information (see Danger's post for proof) and people argue with you, it doesn't mean that you "struck a nerve".

Also PEOPLE, for the love of god anyone who argues with you is not necessarily a "shill". Yea, it's possible there are a few "shills" out there but the stupid or ignorant or just trolls vastly outnumber the aforementioned.

I know that personally, I didnt post any "false information". What I posted was actually called false information and "shitty evidence", which is bizarre to me. I posted a literal CCTV still of a white van convoy at 1AM on a Monday morning leaving the Embassy on the day JA was reported to have his Internet cut, and many other chaotic events happened that very day. Exactly how could this be "false"? Were they not vans? were they not white vans? was it not a convoy (4 visible in the photo)? were they not leaving (or at least passing) the Ecuadorian embassy at 1AM (this data is on the timestamped still and the building and streets/location are known and visible). All of these are indisputable facts! So how does that make this "false" or "shitty" evidence? Please explain. Now maybe my conclusion as to the meaning and value are different and in dispute, but why would the photo itself or its status as evidence be attacked? Attack my conclusion if you must but dont attack and try to bury the actual photo (which is what happened). Doing so exposes that you would have an ulterior motive for doing that. It isnt rocket science.

The body of your post does not prove the claim you make in the title.

In that conspiracy thread, she comes out sounding reasonable. And was up woth OP of that thread? They behaved like a childish troll, unable to back up their bogus claims, instead only offering lols and memes in response.

That thread works against your argument, not a good source to point to.

Sorry, you did not address the thread.

The connections between WhereIsJulian moderators and the anti-WhereIsJulian WikileaksCircleJerk. And sorry but a moderator who claims she used to edit titles in other subreddits, and then tries to direct users to edit their titles is surely perfectly normal? She must have ample Reddit experience.

WhereIsAssange brigading is real... this post was on the front page last time I checked.

Dunno about her experience, but I assumed titles were editable until I became a moderator. shrugs

Your argument for those connections is not so strong. Need more evidence.

Where is the whereisassange brigading?

/r/whereisassange mod here. I'm the one who backs things up. I'm also the one who backed up pizzagate just in time before they were banned. Not a community member there, just don't like seeing information disappear. I facilitated the modmail being made public. I watch the modqueue and /new but have only occasionally made comments unless it pertains to moderator topics. I've been in the discord for a while. I talk with all the mods daily.

AMA

What is /r/LittleBig

Ah..they are one of my favorite international groups I have discovered. They are a Russian rave/rap group that is a collaboration of groups to form Little Big. So far they haven't left Europe for shows. You should check them. It's not for everyone.

There's lots of shills in there fair play to you

instant downvote, must be wrong exept its factually inevitable in a public sub...oops!

As honored as i am to be mentioned by name in this post i would like to point out one of the lies here,, /u/buildingmaterial states the following in response to the creator of this subreddit. "You hang out in tiny, intimate subreddits with TomPain (a shill)"

Im pretty new to reddit. I dont even understand crossposts so bear with me. I joined the_donald to help read through wikileaks releases prior to the US election. Julian's internet being cut lead me here. I have been at r/whereisassange since danger was the only mod and have been impressed with architecture created for the sub. I hope posts like these don't discourage the mods of whereisassange too much because it really is a great set up.

Whereisassange had some user that got offended after their posts were not well received. Then they started spamming those same posts. Sorry your butthurt, but move on.

https://www.guernicamag.com/the_hidden_curse_of_thomas_pai/

That was a really interesting article, thanks for sharing! Somehow i doubt the internet age would look any different if Thomas Pain hadn't let his copyright go, but i can see why they would choose him as a figure to look at considering his influence on a revolution. thanks for posting man

yes, this is absolutely spot on.

I was one of the banned accounts.

What was my huge crime?

I complained because the picture I posted of the white van convoy leaving the embassy at 1 AM on the morning JA went missing just before Internet cut by Ecuador (all of which are indisputable facts) was shouted down by a literal army of downvoters, for no reason, all in a flurry after the post had gained some gradual upvoting. And accompanied by nearly a full page of "stop posting this, it is shitty evidence" posts. Sounds insane, but its true. I mean, seriously, how is that bad evidence? It was a timestamped photographic evidence of a very odd circumstance that according to the timeline and facts seemed to be very relevant! Now, maybe as a theory it isnt any more or less solid than any other theory (which I would dispute, I think it is exactly correct that JA was abducted in those vans), but why the massive initiative to silence it?

So when the initial blog link topic I posted was silenced, I reposted, this time the image only. Not several times, once. And was instantly attacked again, and accused of spamming.

Finally, almost not believing my eyes, but realizing the sub had gone the way of /r/wikileaks before it, I posted a topic saying exactly that - and I was then attacked by other users. I didnt call those users shills, I called them Federal Agents, which I believe they are. I was told I couldnt "by-step" the no-shill-callout rule by saying "Agents". After I was warned not to do that, I realized the sub was a lost cause (the moderators are clearly in on the takeover, except for the original mod, who had even said at the outset of the sub that he would NOT be heavy-handed modding like that) - and I did not attack anyone or the sub. Regardless, and without any further reason, several hours later I was banned. The sub is 100% compromised and is a ghost town now. There are posts and activity, but it is obviously heavily monitored and scrutinized. Any topics or comments that to me relate to anything of substance or value are instantly downvoted to oblivion partnered with nasty comments (which are miraculously upvoted by its compadres). IOW its a full /r/wikileaks situation

No offense to either party cause I'm kind of new but is there a sub feelingsmatterbro cause I think even Kanye would join and maybe you guys could get your shit squashed. Please remember I'm making a funny here cause it's getting to serious.

THIS is EXACTLY how "they" control the opposition. Ask yourself why these same shills who ran /r/conspiratard are so interested in pushing lies about Asange. Also note that magically Israel has had NOTHING of significance leaked by Wikileaks. The exact same magic that has kept ISIS/ISIL from attacking Israel. Magic!

You are just like TomPain, DisinfoHunter, DirectTheCheckered, pyrography, sferau, haerrt, Saudi-Prince, MarkZuckNoFucks, ub3rm3nsch, etc, etc. all roled up into one, paid full-time to keep the argument going no matter what.

I wish I was getting paid for this. Instead I am talking to your dumb ass for free. What fun! Still not going to even try to come up with an excuse for why the very first sentence of your post is a lie? Pathetic.

I presented my evidence in the post text and I've rehashed here two times now in our comment stream, please read it again or get lost. Adios asshole.

So... just to be clear... the evidence that I "hang out" with the creator of the circlejerk sub is that I made one post in another sub that person created for the purpose of posting PGP keys. I just want to make sure I understand. Because if so, you're a special kind of stupid.

These people need to be banned! No the ones who bring creditable evidence to the board.