Don't attack anyone on Reddit and don't incite gunmen to go into pizza shops and threaten people either....

Screw personal responsibility, am I right? Its not the gunmans fault, its this sub's fault.

Its not the gunmans fault, its this sub's fault.

Oh really? Do you have links between him and this sub or you just spewing BS with hopes people believe?

Im 100% sarcastic.

Im 100% sarcastic.

Im 110% real and not about spewing lies to confuse people.

Read it again, its pretty obvious its sarcasm considering the first sentence.

Screw personal responsibility, am I right? Its not the gunmans fault, its this sub's fault.

Nice political alt

When you start naming people and places and real-life things you start endangering others-- if the people who have actively involved themselves in implicating actual people with families believe they have no responsibility when that information is acted upon then they become far more dangerous than whatever boogeyman they thought they saw through the trees.

The news does this all day every day? What are you, handicapped?

Insults aside, the media as of late has been irresponsible in their reporting. But please tell me more about how one group doing something unethical makes it okay for others to do the same.

Because YOU base YOUR logic, morality and ethics on what they tell YOU?

There are thousands of documents worth of circumstantial evidence, and any reasonable person who has looked at it would draw the same conclusions as many people have here, which is quite contrary to what you believe in your government-issued thought bubble.

You have made not one credible argument dismissing a single piece of evidence raised by pizzagate and there is an unlimited amount of evidence.

Instead you make uneducated blanket statements handed down from a mainstream news source you probably didn't even read or comprehend any way other than explicitly how you were told to.

Try observing the evidence and then making your own rational decision. I know thinking for yourself takes work, if I had a camera pointed at a pretty face to regurgitate my message would you be more inclined to listen?

1. You cannot prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the accuser. 2. I don't need to debunk your conspiracy theory to tell you that accusing actual fucking people trying to live their lives of being child sex-traffickers can have actual consequences. This isn't about the placement of a traffic camera or some "pizza code" you found in an email, this is about a man with weapons that just stormed a pizza place and fired at least one shot. edit- grammar

You can use legalese all you want, the accused are experts in it.

Which is exactly why they jump through the giant gaping loopholes they left for themselves.

When the law doesn't work, people in history often turn to vigilante justice. It's a natural reaction to a system not serving the people. The accused should be charged, but they won't be, because the corrupt system you cite your irrelevant rules from will let them walk.

Deal with the problem or the people will. Seems simple.

i bet you look at some nnnnasssstttyyyy child porn.

When you start naming people and places and real-life things you start endangering others

So not naming the young kids being tortured is saving them from the people that own businesses?

Illuminati Wife Tells All

People forget just how easily the words they type on the internet make things come to life for either better or worse.

tell that to podesta.

I would suggest that this sub should have a rule against wild unsubstantiated conspiracies

What about the "wild unsubstantiated lies" that Hillary would be president or Trump is a bad man?

This is not T_D. The majority of us in this sub are skeptics which require some amount of proof to base our theories upon. We are actually allowed to dissent here too, imagine that. There is not a shred of a shadow of truth to y'alls claims. They are wild and based off a thousand unrelated pieces. It's maybe the most bogus theory I've seen passed off in my life, and yet you are all espousing it as the holy truth and disregarding any facts that stand in the way of your totally fabricated wet dream of a conspiracy theory.

Well those sound a bit more plausible than a child sex ring based out of a pizza shop supported by one of the most notable politicians in the country.

Except you haven't addressed any of the thousands of pictures or other pieces of damning evidence that have been collected. Just repeating baseless echo chamber opinion of 0 value that we've heard 100 times from other ignorant people.

Contribute an original thought or something worthwhile, or go away. There is enough circumstantial evidence to carry this research on for another 50 years and your valueless opinion will not change that.

Boy this one pulled the shills outta the woodwork didn't it.

Gotta say, they're doing an excellent job increasing the comment count on these threads and thus increasing the overall interest in #Pizzagate.

Deny deny deny. Argue argue argue. Nitpick nitpick nitpick. "I'm here to debunk conspiracy theories"...

Besta watch out, at this rate they'll have the whole topic shut down!!

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Are you capable of understanding the implicit meanings of things or do you take everything you see at face value?

There is infinite context to these allegations, where would you like to start? We could spend the next week addressing the vast amounts of evidence, and you might just be able to comprehend the bigger picture when you add it all together. How about the fact John and Tony Podesta look exactly like two men wanted in connection with a missing person.

How about we start by addressing this? How about they defend themselves? How about they respond to the allegations? How about they explain what the emails actually mean if nothing nefarious is going on?

They are identical to two people wanted in connection with a missing girl. How much cognitive dissonance and plausible deniability can one use in their favor? Deny deny deny deny. The sky is still blue.

http://i.imgur.com/A9MR9UU.jpg

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Plausible deniability is a helluva drug. In fact, drug dealers use it all the time.

It's not breaking the law if the police don't stop you right?

Hitler said it himself "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."

Spirit cooking is just a coincidence?

Those creepy dinners, nothing to see there?

Pizza handkerchief? Pretty common I own several.

Obama ordering 65k worth of pizza and hot dogs? No problem I hope you got your fair share of your money's worth as a taxpayer.

Hillary wants a hot dog with no bun, she must be gluten free.

Oh did I mention Tony Podesta has a pizza oven in his back yard? Obama moved in next door! Who doesn't have a pizza oven in their back yard? Pretty common thing to have if you ask me. Do you have one?

I love collecting art that depicts the murdering style of serial killers, don't you, fine normal well adjusted person? Pretty normal shit.

Nothing to see here, nothing weird going on. Just a bunch of grown adults eating pizza with no specific pizza toppings while being accused of child trafficking while many of them have accrued vast quantities of wealth in undefined ways.

These people could be waving their dicks around on the street in public and you probably wouldn't be able to discern something was wrong, at this rate.

Plausible deniability is a helluva drug. In fact, drug dealers use it all the time

Clearly you DON'T know what the term even means.

Plausible deniability is the ability for persons (typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command) to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others (usually subordinates in an organizational hierarchy.)

you know, like drug dealers.

Now look at the context in which you are using it, lol. No one mentioned anything about drugs and then you just all of a sudden mention drug dealers in the hopes of applying the term when the guy was ripping holes in your argument.

Politicians in this instance are using plausible deniability, kind of like Hillary Clinton did with her email servers.

She's just a silly old lady who can't use a computer! Woopsie, grandma's sorry.

When are you coming over for the pizza and hot dog party?

Politicians in this instance are using plausible deniability, kind of like Hillary Clinton did with her email servers.

So you would have to have evidence of wrong doing. Not 4chan and reddit posts.

She's just a silly old lady who can't use a computer! Woopsie, grandma's sorry.

I'm going to address this at the end of the post.

When are you coming over for the pizza and hot dog party?

What exactly does that mean? Did a person who was actually involved with it break ranks and disclose what these words mean? For all we know pizza and hot dog party could be cocaine and playing scrabble. It could mean anything.

Now let me address a couple of points. To think that the stooges of the global elite, will arrest, indict and convict their masters, based on the ramblings on 4chan and reddit, are comical. Now when I say this, I am not saying or implying that these people are not involved in rituals, pedos, etc. I firmly believe they are and my research and what I create is my proof of this. However, if the CJ system were not corrupt, you would still need evidence that can be quantified, evidence such as video, images, audio, someone breaking ranks, ledgers, etc. Why do you need this and not circumstantial evidence? Because of the nature of the crime. When you or anyone else talking about pizzagate, can cite case precedent where someone was arrested, indicted and convicted with the same type of "evidence" that is presented now then you will have done something. However, you can't and you won't because those involved with child porn aren't convicted like that, shit they aren't even arrested like that let alone seeing a charging document. The second reason why this is bullshit is because these people don't have the problem of reliving the moment. Those who have a problem reliving it are those who lack access to the victims. So don't think for one second that the silly old lady, who can't use a computer, is going to be filmed in some sexual acts.

So you're playing devil's advocate and arguing with me based on a technicality? Making assertions based on all of the available information is far better than blind ignorance.

Circumstantial evidence won't get them in court, but justice can be served in a variety of ways.

So you're playing devil's advocate and arguing with me based on a technicality?

I'm not playing devils advocate and I'm not arguing with you. I'm having a discussion with you while utilizing critical thought and knowledge, while not relying on confirmation bias, to support what I am saying.

Making assertions based on all of the available information is far better than blind ignorance.

When those assertions are based in critical reading/examination/thought and writing? Yes. When based on inductive and deductive reasoning? Yes. When based on information that is not clarified and can't be quantified? No. When based on 4chan and reddit ramblings? No. Be skeptic, question everything, but don't be so quick to hop on shit because you think it's one way when, in fact, it could be something totally different.

Circumstantial evidence won't get them in court,

So then what's the point? What is the point of all of this if they won't see a courtroom? So people will be "awake?" If you needed 4chan and reddit posts to wake you then then you're the problem and so is your school board and family. BTW, when I say "you" I am not talking about you specifically. I mean it in general terms.

but justice can be served in a variety of ways.

It absolutely can. However, people need to think long and hard about it.

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You should expect me to do the same, I could do it all day and all night. There is literally that much to cover, it's called context. You still wont have any of these people answering to what they are accused of.

Do you want to come over for pizza and hot dogs or no? Tell me, using your own mind, what are they doing if not what they are accused?

There is nothing implicit about the photo I shared, but there is plenty of implicit speech in the DKIM VERIFIED emails. I was simply asking you if you were capable of discerning implicit meaning before we even got past the fact you don't believe in one minor theory, there are fortunately dozens upon dozens more and I'll gladly move forward if you think there's nothing in that particular direction. You'll never be able to deny it all.

Tell me, why do you think Tony Podesta collects the kind of art he does. What does one base their personal taste in art on? What kind of music do you listen to? What kind of imagery do you enjoy? Tell me, how is taste developed?

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You feel like I'm ducking your questions? I've asked you at least TEN that have gone unanswered specifically. You instead project that I'm somehow avoiding the task at hand. I am completely game for continuing, just answer the questions I've already asked and then I can begin to answer yours! First I'm trying to understand what it is you actually believe. You ACTUALLY believe $65,000 worth of pizza was ordered? That's what you believe?

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I'd love to hear your explanation for the collection of Jeffrey Dahmer-style art!

damning evidence?

What do you consider damming? Im guessing "child porn" is not if you make statements like that.

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I'd prefer not to be linked to anything illegal

You stop spreading lies and supporting illegal CP. Thats what you are doing by using a new account in this sub.

Sore Thumb Theory!

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You still never answered the question above.

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No. Its out there. Also stop watching MSN.

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MSN

Or Main Stream News.

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Nice save.

No save. Reality. News source? Are you the official debunker?

one of the most notable politicians in the country.

Who would that be?

Why, Senator Jefferson Smith, of course

Figures.

Oh yeah, because pedophile rings in the elite is such a new thing I'm baffled....

/s

This sub has always welcomed valid AND wild theories. Where the hell have you been? Let me guess: NOT in this sub.

Nope. Open discussion is better.

That's not realistic. Even if that was a rule how would you expect us to go about enforcing something like that here?

By deleting literally every post, I presume

Like I was trying to say your suggestion isn't going to work.

Nah, it'd definitely work

please respect their right to do so...

There is no right to go around making allegations of heinous crimes on the basis of the whack-job 'evidence' gathering that you people cobble together.

You talk High Principles with phrases like 'voice for the silent' and so forth but basically you conspiracy people are being highly irresponsible and completely intractable.

The sort of detail that you people find satisfactory wouldn't be enough in the real world to convict a kid of stealing from the biscuit tin, never mind fatal conspiracies involving respectable people.

I repeat, there is no 'right' to do what you're doing. You're exploiting a privilege, and if that privilege is taken away from you, you only have yourself to blame.

Let's see...

whack-job 'evidence' gathering that you people cobble together

but basically you conspiracy people are being highly irresponsible

The sort of detail that you people find satisfactory

Three separate instances of whitewashing this entire sub as literally 1 big group of people. But it seems you don't see yourself in this group, since you're not part of the "you" in these three sentences.

So why are you even here?

Let's wrap with:

never mind fatal conspiracies involving respectable people respectable people

All politicans involved are known criminals ranging from voter fraud to lying to the American people. And the ones who haven't done anything are just people living without public personas.

How do you know they're respectable people? Do you know them? Why would you specifically try to defend their moral character while at the same time stating that "us people" don't have the right to investigate, speak our minds, share PUBLIC information, and of course for good measure drop in that we're just whackjobs...

Yep nothing suspicious or biased about this post.

I think the "you people" refers more specifically to the rabid pizzagators. Who are, to my mind, blinded by enthusiasm and an ideology that will not allow mainstream news to be taken at face value at all, so they've taken to making stuff up/reading tea leaves/being scared of satanists.

Pizzagate is not based on any hard evidence. It's libel. It's damaging to individuals and to society.

Of course that's who it refers to. But conspiracy people will always argue the point and in this case, this was the only thing he had to go off. Really speaks to how solid the argument against them is.

Do you take mainstream news at face value?

If pizzagate was libel they would be suing the fuck out of everybody. Notice they haven't filed against anybody anywhere? WEIRD!

At this point it would definitely count as defamation if untrue, and it already damaged his character so (assuming it's a lie) the criteria to sue is met

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You think a judge would agree that they're retarded? Lmfao

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I like people like you.

Lmao

case closed.

Are you saying that since they arn't suing anyone it must be true? Because that line of reasoning would be beyond terrible.

Why is that? He has lost money (business), they defamed his character, and now armed people are coming to his shop. Why on earth would he not want this to stop?

I don't know why he hasn't sued and I'm not saying he doesn't want it to stop. All I am saying is that him choosing not to pursue any sort of legal action doesn't make him guilty or at all point towards him being guilty. Which is what I got the impression you were implying, that he's not suing because it's true.

Of course it doesn't make him guilty. I said it was WEIRD.

I don't think it's that wierd, I mean who is he supposed to sue? You? Anyone else subbed to r/conspiracy? Suing wouldn't be an end to these allegations so why bother? There's a ton of reasons he chose not to sue, maybe he is a childmolestor or maybe he doesn't have the money to spare on a legal battle, maybe he's just hoping all this will blow over. The question and it's answers are so open ened you can't use it as evidence of anything.

He is very connected and definitely has the resources to fight.

He "could" sue infowars. They are a known entity, they pushed the story. They have faces and names so they can be tracked down.

Do you have any other guesses?

I could make guesses all day that make more sense than that he doesn't want his secret pedo organization uncovered. Maybe he's doing other shady shit like tax fraud that would be uncovered during the lawsuit, maybe he like the controversy because it actually brings in sympathetic liberal and has drummed up his bussiness, maybe he just can't be bothered. There are tons of reasons he may not want to sue.

I do think it's funny that the majority of your suggestions were actually illegal, even tough you said him not filing doesn't mean he's guilty

None of the things I said were illegal except 1. And that thing makes infinity more sense and is infinity more probably than some secret elite pedo ring. And I said Him not filing doesn't make him guilty, I NEVER said him not filing makes him innocent.

He is very connected and definitely has the resources to fight.

Another evidence-free assertion.

Because not taking legal action is often the best option. I frequently advise my clients that. The idiocy may die down, but if you issue proceedings it's going to be part of your life for at least a year.

Well I live in the U.K., so yes I do trust institutions like the BBC and the Guardian, but I seek to verify controversial claims from original sources when it matters. If something seems too good or bad to be true, check it out further.

As I've said elsewhere, the libel/defamation line is tricky because this is a new circumstance where potentially thousands of people are saying these things with a degree of anonymity. But since I believe that pizzagate is bunk, I do think that the entire thing is problematic and this movement is hurting real people who are likely innocent.

jimmy savile?

Ya holy fuck... how do you miss that connection.

The BBC has already covered up paedophilia.

so yes I do trust institutions like the BBC and the Guardian

No, it hasn't! This is just utmost piffle.

A few people failed to act as they should have done according to currently accepted doctrines 40 to 50 years ago. That was bad; but what they knew about was allegations that Savile was grabbing girls on set, something that wasn't that uncommon.

By coincidence, I was talking to some women on Friday night in a pub. We were discussing changes in attitudes. One of them said that her mum, when her bottom was pinched in the 1970s, would have been likely to giggle and smack the man's hand, saying something like 'you are awful!', because in those days it was not forbidden behaviour. The lady I was talking to said that by the time she was an adult a pinch on the bottom would have provoked a slap in the face.

Grabbing a 15 year old girl's arse during preparations for Top of the Pops or groping the tits of a 14 year old would not have rung particular alarm bells in the 1970s. You would change your opinion of someone doing that but it would be because of the groping not because of their ages.

So if and when a producer was told 'Bloody Savile's been at it again', he would have said 'Try to keep him off set when he's not needed', rather than phone the police.

That's the extent of the BBC's wrongdoing. Calling it a 'cover up' makes it sound like BBC management committee was taking action to prevent everyone else finding out what Savile was doing while allowing him to go on doing it.

Having said all that, because of sheer embarrassment and fear of political fall-out, they didn't make a clean breast of it as early as they should have done.

Over 100 people knew and it was dubbed an "atmosphere of fear". It lasted for 46 years, well across this generational divide you're claiming. You say 1970s, but it happened up until far more recently than that, and a lot of people knew about it. If you truly think that it was this weird thing that happened back in the 70s, I'd suggest you do a bit more research.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/12172773/Jimmy-Savile-sex-abuse-report-to-be-published-live.html

O boy, are you over-exaggerating.

The post above was about a cover-up. The judge's report was quite clear there had been no such thing; just mistakes, misjudgments, over-cautiousness.

The 'atmosphere of fear' referred to by the judge applied to all celebrities ('the talent', in the industry parlance), and was not associated with Savile in particular, and certainly not with his criminal proclivities - although the report states that it contributed to his ability to get away with them.

THE 70's WERE NO MEASURE FOR MORALITY, you chomo fuck.

jesus.

Whoosh.

Did you feel it go over your head?

gaslight gaslight, blah blah blah. chomo.

Multiple newspapers around the world have reported on it

Generally,

a) libel suits have a statute of limitations ranging from 1-3 years depending on state; it's not common to see a libel suit within weeks or a couple months of the offending action.

b) Most of those placing allegations against Comet Pizza don't likely have enough money to make it worth filing suit. While they could pursue injunction, there's probably too many people people spreading this rumor (most behind a layer of anonymity from the internet) to affordably identify and serve legal notice. A pizza shop likely doesn't have enough resources to pursue legal action of this nature, nor would the benefits outweigh the costs.

Source: law student and legal consultant

A pizza shop likely doesn't have enough resources to pursue legal action of this nature, nor would the benefits outweigh the costs.

This is the same pizza shop owner that got a subreddit banned, and had national news agencies defending it well before any of this shooter business started. Dude has more pull than your average restaurant owner.

the same pizza shop owner that got a subreddit banned,

Really? How did he do that then?

Well multiple news sources have reported on it, like infowars.

If infowars is spreading lies calling them pedophiles, why not stop them? Infowars has enough money to make it worthwhile, and if infowars actually got punished for libel then it would kill all these rumors.

So can you revisit your second point?

So a quick google search of "infowars pizzagate" didn't turn up any articles like you mentioned, but what I'd be looking for if I were considering filing a claim against Infowars for a client:

1) they would have to make demonstrably false statements. It can't be like those Rush Limbaugh "I'm not actually making any accusations, I'm just asking questions" type of statements, but a factual like "So and so is a pedophile."

2) Infowars has enough pull and/or money to make injunction and/or monetary compensation worth it. Pull would be number of people who actually believe the publication, and not necessarily the number of people who read it. I don't know how much money they have on their books, or if they could afford to pay for damages + legal fees

3) Comet is incurring enough harm to make it worthwhile to seek an injunction or monetary damages. If all the pizza shop can show for damages is harassing phone calls and a bullet hole, it might not be worth it; however, if you get a good lawyer in there who can claim psychological distress (which requires medical examination and bills), demonstrable drops in sales, or other quantifiable harms, now you're getting somewhere. But like I said in the first point, figuring all that stuff out takes time.

From what I understand, Comet Pizza is a popular pizza joint in DC. 95% of the country has no idea what the Podesta emails are (although maybe more people have heard about it in DC), let alone the allegations against the restaurant, and then let alone people who used to go to the restaurant and might alter their habits based on a Alex Jones circulated reddit conspiracy. While the guy going into the place and firing a few rounds might be the first real tangible effect on the place, it's unlikely that all of the activity on reddit, InfoWars and otherwise has had much of an effect on the operations of a popular local pizza joint. Until someone goes out and starts walking around with a sign saying "your kids will be raped if you eat here" or somebody comes by and starts shooting into the crowd, it's unlikely there will be any demonstrable damages worth pursuing this case until other quantities of damages can be measured. Especially those that could be verifiably linked to InfoWars.

Sure there hasn't been much physical damage to the pizza place but he said he has gotten death threats. On something that's "false". I wouldn't want to possibly die over misinformation, especially now that there was a shooter.

Again though, even assuming death threats from strangers would make it "worth it" enough to the owner to satisfy point 3, points 1 and 2 are still necessary to seek injuntionary relief via defamation. If there's no kill shot "so and so is a pedophile" from a publication source with a reasonable amount of "pull" and a way to prove that kill shot statement directly or likely caused the threats or physical harm, courts won't help.

Defamation cases are famously difficult to succeed on. Donald Trump has made statements on wanting to make it easier to win defamation because of how regularly he suffers negative PR from misleading media reports and feels powerless against them. If you're concerned about death threats, turning evidence to investigators and hiring a body guard is what you do, a defamation suit is a non-starter (at least until hard monetary damages can be assessed, if ever).

your average pizza shop wouldn't have the resources. but we're talking about one owned by the 49th most powerful bro in washington d.c., apparently.

well i believe the Streisand effect would occur. If they began suing everybody for libel, the pizzagate believers will assume that they are suing because they are nearing the truth and the situation will escalate.

Doubtful.

Because these people know about the Streisand effect and it's probably not worth going to court for?

It he proves in federal court that it's defamation, how would that hurt him?

Because then for weeks/months until the court case is over, the person suing is labeled across all media as the person who everyone is calling a pedophile.

Right now maybe 2-3 percent of the country have even heard that there is a story and don't know anything about it. Why would someone put themselves in the middle of a battle where 50+% of the country connects his name to the allegations? That would be a terrible move, and an instant death blow to his restaurant.

Do you ever stop to think about the opposing side of the argument, or do you just ask leading questions in the hope that no one responds?

Why would I ask questions I didn't want answered? And where are you getting this stat that only 5% had heard of wikileaks and 2% of pizzagate?

I never said anything about Wikileaks. And I said "maybe 2-3 percent". Why would you think there would be more?

It he proves in federal court....?

You say that like it's going to the corner shop for some fags.

You clearly have no concept of the effort and cost involved in such an enterprise.

If pizzagate was libel they would be suing the fuck out of everybody. Notice they haven't filed against anybody anywhere? WEIRD!

Found the Donald Trump tweet.

to the society of pedos* ftfy

Well first of all, cases have been solved before without any hard evidence. Soft evidence is pretty powerful especially when there is no hard evidence.

And why do you think it is so unbelievable that a group of pedophiles could reach key positions of power? Former Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, pleaded to being a serial child molester. That right there should show you that it's possible. A former FBI director actually retired and gave a big speech about certain satanist, pedophiles in key positions of power abusing their influence. He mentions a lot of the names you are hearing from pizza gate today and this happened in 2003. I'll link the video at the bottom of the comment. You should really watch it.

And why do you say this evidence is "crackpot?" Do you not think its credible because it's just ordinary people researching this and not some government agency with a fancy name and uniform? This whole investigation started with the DNC's emails were dumped and users happened to find John Podesta speaking with the official FBI pedophile code language. YOU can look at the emails yourself. Not have somebody tell you what the emails say. Just YOU and your EYES. As goes for the logo of Besta Pizza that is just happened to be owned by Andrew Kline of the Human Trafficking persecution unit of the DOJ. An official FBI pedo symbol that has since been changed as a result of this investigation. All of this is not debatable so far. These things have happened and you can physically see it.

While we are discussing undebatable facts that have happened, let's look at comet ping pongs Facebook. You can see the weird pictures of kids they have posted. There's a kid taped to a desk. There's is a dude wearing a shirt that says "I <3 kids" in French while he standing next to what looks like strippers. There is a picture of a baby saying its for sale. A lot of the photos are also liked publicly by John Podesta. You can go on Facebook and look at all this if it hasn't been deleted yet. Even then, countless people have screenshots.

I don't see why the FBI would not investigate these companies unless they had certain people in key positions like Andrew Kline to prevent them from investigating. If I had a pizza place with weird pictures of kids the Facebook, pedophile code words in my pms, a pedophile symbol for the logo of the business, and a history of pedophiles in my inner circle, you would bet your ass that the FBI would be at my business in no time. And that is what you should question the most. Overall, why would the media not want this discussed? After all, it's only an idea. Ideas don't hurt people, actions do. Why would Reddit try to squash the community behind the investigation. Why can't I hear an opposition to this that isn't "oh they are just a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists who don't know any better?" Why don't you actually point out which parts of evidence aren't right?

https://youtu.be/BplUD6kQYuU

And I'm feeling generous. Here's some footage of Joe Biden molesting kids in public. You're welcome.

https://youtu.be/Sd8o3WUKP8M

Not libel, we believe the allegations being brought forth. Libel is knowingly spreading false information with the intent of causing damage to a person.

We don't know this information is false, the people here think it's true, and the belief that it's true is enough of a defense against libel

Why do you think none of the "Obama's a secret muslim" people got sued

Not libel, we believe the allegations being brought forth.

That's not a defence to libel.

Oh yeah? Have you ever looked at a fucking tabloid? It's like these people don't understand the first fucking amendment.

Libel requires an official claim to be made. It is not libel to say something like, "______ suggests these people are involved in a pedo ring". It is not libel to speculate and try to connect dots about someone involved in something bad.

Pizzagate is an investigation into alleged human trafficking. As a movement it hasn't made any hard claims against anyone, it has only presented circumstantial evidence to encourage more investigation into the people believed to be involved. That is not libel.

I see the opposite, I see a community making massive claims on a regular basis with very little proof. Looking at the real effects this could have on someone's reputation, there's a genuine problem here. Maybe our libel laws don't cover it perfectly but we've never had a situation before where thousands of people are writing damaging lies/speculation on a daily basis. It's hugely problematic.

Plus devils advocate, if they are really monsters the movement is too open and they'll be able to hide evidence.

Basically, this is not how you run an investigation and I won't be surprised if legit sites start banning discussion for legal concerns.

So you just downvote and ignore my question? I think it is a fair thing to ask. You said that people are writing damaging lies yet I have read as much of this as I can and haven't found any lies. So I would like for you to back that up and show me some of the official pizzagate lies. Back up your statement.

Specific lies I've read just today though - Podestas Kidnapped Madeline McCann, Abramovic is a witch/satanist who cooks with semen. That's some madness.

Excuse me? I haven't downvoted anything, and I've been elsewhere not reading the thread for a bit, chill.

When I say "lies" it's because I think that pizzagate is nonsense. It's literally made up. By insinuating that the people are child traffickers and paedophiles you are lying. On the balance of evidence, I think the people championing this are misguided at best.

And it's also impossible to ignore the political spin to this. The alt right that were galvanized by the Trump campaign are moving on to this - a paedophilic conspiracy by the liberal elite. It's not credible, none of the sources are strong enough to justify this becoming a massive deal. Which is why I understand and agree with Reddit's decision to ban the sub.

That's not to say that I don't think shady shit is going down in many places. UK history shows that powerful people do seem to indulge in this kind of stuff. The Epstein Island thing seems to be shady as hell, and in that case it's easy to make the connections. I don't get that feeling in this case, the evidence is too sparse, and further context easily debunks so many points (i.e. The kill room instagram, obvs a Dexter reference).

Okay so what I'm getting is that you don't fully understand pizzagate and that you don't know what a lie is (not trying to be rude).

Insinuating something or presenting evidence for something isn't a lie. Saying you believe evidence for something suggests a given thing isn't a lie. A lie is an intentionally false statement. It requires that you know the information is not true and that you are presenting it as fact.

Someone saying, "The podestas fit very closely to the police sketches of the Madeline McCann kidnappers so I believe they are likely involved," is not a lie. Someone saying, "Marina Abramovic participates in strange satanic rituals that appear to be more than just art," is not a lie.

Pizzagate is based on facts that do not necessarily prove wrongdoing but do build a network of circumstantial evidence for alleged wrongdoing. For someone to believe this evidence proves something is not a lie.

If there is a certain piece of evidence you think is untrue, however, that is a fair and different story. I would gladly hear what you have to say about some of them. But from what you've said already, no, those are not lies. The podestas do look a lot like the police sketches and could be involved in the abduction and Abramovic does conduct strange satanic pieces that could be more than just art behind closed doors. You are free to believe that the evidence is not sufficient or that it isn't the case, but that does not mean others are wrong to believe there is more going on.

What lies?

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

Dude. The restaurant in question doesn't even HAVE a basement.

Funny, Alefantis is quoted as saying it DOES have a basement. And it DOES NOT have a basement.

/both in MSM.

Rookie mistake, /u/MysteryGamer!

Don't get drawn into detailed arguments, you can't beat them at that game. They will shift the ground, move the goalposts, throw irrelevant details at you, and you'll die the death of a thousand trivialities.

I'll show my source if you show yours.

Not that hard to find quotes...

"We don't even have a basement."

"Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in."

"Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in."

It is noted in your article that Alefantis owns at least three buildings, and the "basement" referred to is not specifically mentioned as being in the building. But when you are looking for something, you will look past these sorts of details.

Considering he is talking about the pizza sauce he makes - regarding the episode of Diner's, Drive-In's and Dives that took place at Comet Ping-Pong - and he states that he keeps it in "the basement", and in that same paragraph refers to a line-up "from the front of the restaurant, down and around the corner". For logistics reasons why wouldn't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site?

Are you really that dense? Is your reading comprehension that bad?

Ok. So where's your source proving the place doesn't have a basement then?

kami you can go fuck yourself ok?

I'm going to assume that you can't provide a source either...

Lmfao, here is my source.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985

You're an obvious cuck.

GLWT.

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It is noted in your article that Alefantis owns at least three buildings, and the "basement" referred to is not specifically mentioned as being in the building. But when you are looking for something, you will look past these sorts of details.

Feel free to debunk this article while you're up there on your high horse. Tell me how it could never happen again.

this article

If this article proves Hillary Clinton is guilty of sex trafficking, then you are guilty of assault because of yesterday's events.

It details the rampant history of paedophilia committed by employees of the United States government. Feel free to educate yourself, or feel free to remain ignorant. Or keep deflecting... but know that the information is there for you.

That may be true. There is also a rampant history of conspiracy theorists taking matters into their own hands and killing people, or shooting off their gun, like yesterday. Are you therefore guilty of murder and assault?

I was unaware that someone died yesterday... now who's talking shit? All you can do is stand behind hyperbole. I'm showing you facts here, and you're linking together these really weak ad hominems. Can you show me a single time a "conspiracy theorist" took matters into their own hands and killed someone? I bet you can't.

I get that you're scared by the implications but I'm not your enemy here.

I was unaware that someone died yesterday

I didn't say that. I said killing, or shooting off their gun, like yesterday.

Thank you for illustrating in real time how conspiracy theorists are willing to selectively take people's words out of context to fit their narrative. It was an absolute pleasure.

Do you have an answer for my question?

The number of pedophiles in government far outweigh the amount of vigilante conspiracy theorists who take the law into their own hands. Have you read that article yet? It was written before pizzagate. Can you give me an example of a conspiracy theorist killing someone in an event similar to yesterday's? Because I can provide dozens of accounts similar to the allegations that people are laying regarding pizzagate... but you can't name one conspiracy theorist who went out of their way to murder someone.

Ever hear of a guy named Timothy McVeigh? I'm not going to have a pissing contest over this. Do you have an answer for my question or not?

McVeigh? You mean the MK-Ultra plant? And that was nothing like yesterday.

I never said it was anything like yesterday, it's just an example of the inevitable outcome when you peddle irresponsible rhetoric. But I forgot one important thing. None of you ever take any responsibility for the consequences of your lies. It is always someone else's fault.

jeez... talk about a false equivalency. Do you even know why McVeigh did what he did? It wasn't because of online rumours, and it was certainly magnitudes larger than walking into a pizza shop and harmlessly firing a single chamber for the purposes of attention.

harmlessly firing a single chamber.

Wow. I never knew firing a gun in a public resturant was harmless.

Did it harm anyone?

Critical thinking skills aren't your strong suit, eh?

The people who work there probably are going to be stressed out for awhile. Not to mention the harm he caused to himself by firing the shot, and the burden he will be on us tax payers. That is called critical thinking my friend.

Are you kidding? Ever had a gun pointed at you? Ever had a lunatic with a gun come into the restaurant you're eating at and start shooting? Aside from the incredibly obvious psychological trauma, it's still assault with a deadly weapon. Yes, there was significant harm. You'd be incredibly thick to think they weren't harmed.

lmao... i hope you were this upset about trauma when Carlos Danger was firing off dick pics to minors

While that has literally nothing to do with this, yeah, of course I was upset by that. Who wouldn't be?

It's just fucking shocking to me that you couldn't possibly see how the innocent restaurant-goers were traumatized.

Was there even anyone in the restaurant at the time? I haven't seen any "eye witness" reports stating that was the case. It seems that you're just jumping to conclusions without having any proof... I can't tell if that's ironic.

Did it harm anyone?

Uh yes, it likely caused profound psychological trauma for those who were there. But who cares right? All that matters is you managing to cover this up for your own needs. The irony of that should never be lost.

likely caused

Thanks for your guess. Is this where I start crying about burden of proof?

It wasn't because of online rumours

Timothy McVeigh floated around the conspiracy community and conspiracies are cited in his manifesto. During his trial it was stressed that a major reason for his attack on the United States was his belief that the government caused and covered up the 1993 fire which destroyed the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco.

I understand that you guys are never going to take responsibility for anything you do, but hopefully some other people will read this far and see it for themselves. The conspiracy community is shameless in their quest to cover up and deflect any and all violence related to them. The irony of that should NEVER be lost.

All conspiracy theorists are responsible for the actions of McVeigh, but 50 pedos in the government and none of them are related. Now That is irony.

All conspiracy theorists are responsible for the actions of McVeigh, but 50 pedos in the government and none of them are related.

Oh so are you backtracking now on McVeigh's involvement with your community? All I said was that if you're going to implicate everyone in the government because of that horrible case, then you also have to implicate everyone in your own community when the history of death and destruction is brought to light. You then proceeded to try to deny that said bloodshed existed, so I had to go and prove it to you, and then you denied McVeigh's motives, so I had to go out and prove it, and now you are far enough along in the conversation so that you think you can derail to your emotionally based avoidance of the logical conclusion. You might have pulled that off with other people, but you're not going to with me.

Ironically, you just conspired to cover up your own community's history of violence and murder. There are many more examples of it, and no, I won't cite them and make you backtrack on whether or not your community had anything to do with them right now. If you want to blame everyone in government for that pedo ring, that's your business. Just make sure you're consistent and aggressively slather blame indiscriminately across your own community as well for your own history of bloodshed and attempted bloodshed.

No. I'm saying that you're pulling at straws and using a deceitful argument while denying the implications of that same argument against your initial stance.

you're pulling at straws

I am theoretically applying your own standard of behavior to your own community, for the sake of showing you why your standard is absurd. If you don't like the standard I am applying then stop applying it to the government. Unlike you, who finds the entire government responsible, I do not actually find the entire conspiracy community to be responsible for these murders. I am simply extending your own belief system onto a group that you identify with, for the sake of illustrating to you why what you believe is ridiculous. And now, you have illustrated that you are not actually willing to consistently apply this standard, only selectively when it fits your narrative.

Every single time I have interacted with you I have said "if this is true" or some other qualifier like this. Go take a look back through the conversation.

Go find where I implicated the entire government if you're gonna start holding yourself to standards.

the rampant history of paedophilia committed by employees of the United States government.

My evidence for a nationwide government involved pedo ring was a nationwide group of government employed pedos... but of course it's not satanic enough and doesn't fit between your narrow goalposts so it doesn't count and these guys get a pass. This was all happening before pizzagate by the way... to any rational person with a heart in their chest, 42 arrests would mean there's probably more than 42 people involved. Couple that with the fact that they were mostly using government computers and you need to figure that - with the ages, and careers and lengths of time some of these people were in office - someone else must've known outside of those 42 people. Then couple that with the fact that the Podesta's hang out with known pedos, that James Alefantis' instagram picture is a homage to a patron saint of pederasty, and include the knowledge that Laura Silsby was arrested for human trafficking and then freed by Clinton + given a job alongside the Amber Alert program... probably just coincidences right?

Please do not act like you're not implicating an all encompassing ring of people who work for the US government.

all encompassing ring

This is something that you inferred.

someone else must've known outside of those 42 people.

Yeah... like an individual... like Joe Patero in the Sandusky case... not THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. All the rest of the stuff you bolded regarding Hillary, Podesta and Alefantis are facts easily found in the public domain.

jeez... if this is the kind of stuff that you're gleaning from these sorts of comments it's no wonder you're unable to entertain an idea like Pizzagate...

The mark of an intelligent mind is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it... remember that

So you know, the justification for the Holocaust was a conspiracy theory.

But didn't you see the creepy picture of that metal walled kill room???

Oh wait that's a walk in and every restaurant has one just like it.

And every restaurant has people commenting about it being the kill room. Every restaurant also has the same circumstances as this situation. Yep, every single one can be put in the same context as this.

Have you ever worked in a restaurant? I think maybe you would be shocked at how many references to killing people cooks make. They also might listen to "satanic" music and have evil tattoos.

Do you really think if someone designed a "kill room" (that looked just like a walk in) they would post it online? And someone who did the killing would post a comment referring to it as such?

At some point you have to take a deep breath and think hard about these "clues". If you were running a child rape and murder center, would you post about it on social media and leave a trail of "clues" anyone with an internet connection could follow?

If I had direct ties to the global elite then yeah, I would probably feel pretty ballsy about what I could get away with.

Can you fill me in on the direct ties?

Clinton, Obama, Podesta, Soros, and more. They've all been there and contributed money.

Reminds of going to LA. Every server, cab driver and security guard is "in Hollywood"

Does every pizza place in hollywood get direct funding from Steven Spielberg?

I think it would be safe to say with some digging you could find a pizza place in LA that has gotten a crazy amount of money over the years from Spielberg.

You ever borrowed a pizza for an hour? Podesta does.

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Would love to get a pizza for an hour? Or come over

Yes, a gross mis-representation on my part.

No, but I've used pizza as code for weed tons of times so if you read my texts it would make no sense at all.

Really? Do you often receive weed-related emails like this one?

Hi John,

The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.

Susaner

Yeah, sounds pretty innocent. And, inb4, "Yeah, well, that's not enough." Yes. It's not enough. There's more. LOTS more.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795

Have you never used clumsy code with your dealer? Dude that sounds just like that shit!

I've read all the stuff posted here because i think it's interesting but have yet to see anything at all weird.

My dealer? Sorry, are we all supposed to have dealers? Like that's normal?

This scandal is not being driven JUST by a few random pedo codewords in a few random emails. This is what some of us think we are uncovering. It's been going on for centuries, and it's too much.

WRONG, "dude". https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1453433

It has 168 up votes too. Nothing suspicious

Over 300 now

Because this hit /r/all and most people realize pizzagate is a nonsense conspiracy theory based entirely around handkerchiefs and made up code words.

Shills are doing their jobs correctly apparently

Shill: anyone who disagrees with me

well... not exactly.The meaning of shill has quickly changed from "someone who disagrees with me" to "someone who hasn't done the requisite amount of research to be an authority on this specific topic, yet still butts their nose in, in an effort to deflect from those who are asking questions".

I've read all the pizzagate shit. I've wasted time watching the stupid videos pizzatards have made. It's utter garbage pulled from nutjob's asses.

Ok fine, so why are you here bothering us?

I don't know, maybe because someone was inspired by this bullshit to take a gun into a pizza place and threaten people?

Good thing you're here to fix it then...your answer was dumb.

And side note maybe our corrupt government landscape inspired him to take some sort of terrible action like he did, not discussions on Reddit. Smh man

You're a fucking idiot

Perfect glad you're still here saving the universe from "weird conspiracies" that don't have any affect on your life. Get fucked guy

Lol says the guy saving the world from a satanic pedo pizza cult you fucking retard

Oh you're still here handing out abuse? Perfect.

Because you are actually hurting real people. It's not like flat earth, UFO, moon hoax or illuminati stuff.

By trying to find out if people in power who are known to be corrupt are actually hurting people? Sure. Way to twist that up with shit logic

Not quite there homeboy

I agreed with the overwhelming majority of the post, so I voted up. But I guess we can blame CTR instead. Booboo

That's a nice strawman you have there.

You literally cannot defend this stupid "pizzagate" so you attack a meaningless part of his post. Well played

Did their comment make you mad? Do you want to shut them up?

Then just provide some actual evidence.

The post is in /all and half of the people in this sub are dumbasses. Of course the one sane comment got upvoted.

Here you go fucktard: https://www.google.com/search?q=podesta+efit&amp;espv=2&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=864&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjEk4jOq93QAhVnlVQKHc82A88Q_AUIBygC

Since you apparently can't google.

I'll go away as soon as you tell me why scotland yard sat on those efits for five years. Or why the MCcanns won't acknolwedge them, and why MI5 stated they are gagged, etc etc.

Good try shilly.

You are a shill. Not because youre being paid by TPTB to cause sow discord but because you are willfullu ignorant

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Keep defending Pederasts.

Franklin Conspiracy was a hoax? Who killed Kennedy? Saudis did 9/11? 1-Choke on your blue pill.

Lol my bad we are on the same team. I got worked upfrom the /r/news comment section of the pizzagate article

Laura Silsby.

The good old "anybody who disagrees with us proves that there's a conspiracy against us" claim. How's that working out for you?

No there isn't anything suspicious about this post. Biased, yes. Suspicious, no. And that is the problem is that people involved have mixed biases and suspicions with scant facts.

I have him tagged for a reason. Cudos on spotting this bias immediately.

Well... apparently your comment made him change his post not to inculde the derogatory insinuations towards "conspiracy people".

Aaaannd now it's gilded. r/conspiracy is dead.

So why are you even here?

Because The_Donald keeps brigading this shit with thousands of upvotes.

This guy lied about having a basement in order to discredit this conversation... in an interview... and has another interview from last year talking about the basement.

Lying is generally viewed as an indication of guilt when the lie is specific to accusations being hurled at you.

Lying is generally viewed as an indication of guilt when the lie is specific to accusations being hurled at you.

Fun fact: The FBI sent one of the Boston Marathon bomber's friends to jail for 3 years for mixing up the date he met with one of the bombers for dinner. Protip: People get scared and get facts mixed up.

Mixing up an exact date and whether or not a restaurant you've owned for years has a basement or not are two radically different things.

OH THAAAAAT BASEMENT

Schrödingers basement

It's crazy that a megalomanic billionaire was just elected President with illegal help from Russia and the FBI, and this place is focused on the basement of a pizza place.

with illegal help from Russia and the FBI

Prove it.

It's all proven way way beyond the standards of proof around this crackpot sub. But you guys don't like that narrative so...no one cares.

The FBI thing is proven pretty much solely by the timeline and proceeding actions/lack of actions on similar cases. Keith Olberman lays out the timeline pretty well here. And the entire US intelligence community has concluded that the Russians hacked the DNC. And that community is quite right wing. So their incentive to do so falsely is very low.

This is common sense shit, that literally stole an election. Corruption at the highest levels of government.

But please, this unprovable pizza thing that is supported by literal crazy people firing guns in public is much more important.

If you don't talk about actual conspiracies here, because these ones only hurt the Democrats, why should anyone take anything you say seriously?

While the timing of Comey's actions were fishy, it's not illegal.

And the entire US intelligence community has concluded that the Russians hacked the DNC.

I see this misleading bullshit line all the time and it's nonsense. It was one guy, who heads an organization, which represents many intelligence communities, saying,

"The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts."

A few things there. Wikileaks doesn't reveal their sources. How can this agency know that the methods of the "alleged hack" are? Especially if it's just an alleged hack and not an actual hack. Even if they magically know the source of the emails, and how those emails were obtained, all it says is that the methods are "consistent" with Russian methods. There is no proof whatsoever that the Russians had anything to do with the Wikileaks emails.

The reason i said the line is misleading is that it was the head of one organization that put out this bullshit memo, so to say that "the entire intelligence community agrees" is misleading because it implies that all 11 or whatever agencies looked into it and all concluded that this was the Russians, which is simply not what happened. One guy heading up one organization said that the methods that he couldn't possibly know are somehow consistent with Russia's methods.

Excuse me if I'm not entirely convinced by this. This is not "proof" by any stretch of the imagination.

What Comey and the other FBI agents did is a massive violation of the Hatch Act.

It was one guy, who heads an organization, which represents many intelligence communities

What a way to try to malign the DNI. Do you know what the DNI does? I used to work for an organization under the DNI. What the DNI says represents the prevailing view of all of the member groups. The DNI's job is to decompartmentalize data between intelligence organizations. FBI, CIA, NSA and DHS input certainly went into that report.

You picked one out of context line from the DNI's statement which represents the work and conclusions of tons of people, and specifically the DHS who joint released it. How about this line?

states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.

Or this?

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations

They don't say things like that lightly, and they are, again, a bunch of right wing Republicans. Their motivation here is being factual.

There's also a ton more evidence that you're ignoring. Great collection of it was done by Thomas Rid, of the Department of War Studies at King's College London.

You're totally misrepresenting the situation to give yourself a sense of doubt. And yes, this is not a puzzle we have every piece of. But the overall picture is quite clear.

Meanwhile, Pizzagate doesn't have 1/100th of the evidence, and no one here gives a shit. Because everyone here is biased towards a narrative that makes them feel how they want to feel. Not towards the actual truth.

What Comey and the other FBI agents did is a massive violation of the Hatch Act.

No, it isn't. This article with a constitutional law expert lays this out pretty well here: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/constitutional-law-expert-comey-not-violate-law-announcing-email-investigation.html

A notable takeaway, even if Comey did violate the Hatch Act, which he did not, this is not a criminal offense.

That link of collected "evidence" is hardly evidence at all, especially regarding the Wikileaks situation. There's a lot of "probably"s in there and no actual evidence. Like the DNI statement, there's not actual evidence that the Russians had anything to do with the DNC leaks. Why would the DNI statement say that they know the methods involved, then still call it an alleged hack? If they know the methods, then certainly they know it's a hack, right? They published that statement really quickly after the emails were made public. How were they able to find the leaker/hacker, analyse the methods used, and correlate them to Russian methods so quickly? It doesn't make sense. There is still no actual evidence.

Even if Russia was involved in the hacks, does it matter? It seems clear to me this whole hubbub about whether Russia was or was not involved in the Wikileaks revelations is just a smokescreen to distract from what was in the emails themselves.

To use an analogy, if a burglar breaks into a house and discovers 10 dead bodies in the basement, it would be strange for all the headlines to read, "Horrible criminal breaks into innocent citizen's house!".

I'm shocked that that website that's writing pro-Trump pro-Russia pieces picked this one guy's opinion. Here's an equally valid opinion by another expert.

The Hatch Act can be violated pretty easily. We were warned about it constantly during election years when I was in intelligence. I don't see how Reid was wrong. Comey's actions for "months" ARE egregious in hindsight, if we know the FBI was investigating Trump simultaneously and not given the same formal letter writing treatment that clearly harmed her candidacy. If you treat a certain candidate differently than another, and it seems the NYC agents were doing this even more directly, that clearly is "federal programs administered in a nonpartisan fashion."

But it's not criminal, you're right. I thought the Office of Special Council had prosecuting power. It's just a fireable offense.

Comey should be investigated and fired, the agents that helped Trump should be investigated and fired.

And this is all secondary to the Russia thing. A foreign power just, in part, decided our election. No matter who you support that should disturb you. You have no idea how intelligence works if you think there is going to be "proof" in a DNI press release. It's the summary of a bunch of classified data from a bunch of agencies. You don't just tell the Russians how you caught them. That would be insanely stupid. Again, it's a bunch of right wing GOP people, who only make statements like this when the information is conclusive. It makes them look bad. Our country was penetrated electronically by a foreign power, Russia, the biggest rival the US intel community has. You think they want to admit that? You're not using logic.

The emails were nothing. The DNC wanted one candidate over another candidate. Big whoop. They're a party, they can do what they want. I'm not happy about what they did. But the RNC did the exact same things to try to suppress and freeze out Trump, it just wasn't successful. If you hack any political organization some dirt will come out. The DNC's dirt was miniscule. But Russia weaponizing Wikileaks and the right wing media with that info, where it was conflated out to something much larger, to try to decide our election is terrifying.

There weren't bodies. And this isn't a burglary. This is the future of our country. US citizens are going to die when they lose their healthcare, if abortion rights go away, etc. There are actual bodies on the line here. Wake up and see the actual conspiracy. It's not juicy and fun to obsess over, but it happened and changed all our lives.

THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FACTIONS OF THE SAME FUCKED UP STRUCTURE, AND YEAH KID SNUFF RINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT even than the incestuous chomo donald alone.

Fun Fact: The FBI shot one of the Boston Marathon Bomber's friends dead in his apartment, afterwards claiming that he was going for a knife. Dead men tell no tales.

Source please

What about all the lies you fucks have been spreading? What are you hiding???

Links?

Sure there's speculation and even some wild speculation but that doesn't equate to lying.

Lying is knowing that you're being dishonest.

Like talking about your basement in an interview and then attempting to discredit accusations by claiming it never existed a year later.

Wild speculation based on zero evidence.. Aka lies

Wild speculation does not equate to a lie.

You have to know you are being dishonest in order to lie.

If you want to make a case for the evidence that was provided being intentionally dishonest, I'm all ears.

I hope this guy isn't guilty honestly. I don't think he's handling this attention correctly and he's chancing ending up as a conspiracy theory footnote for the ages when he could easily disprove the accusations instead.

Zero evidence

Lying is generally viewed as an indication of guilt when the lie is specific to accusations being hurled at you.

Breaking! Smoking gun evidence exposes Trump's pedophilia and child rape!

Is that how it works?

So have you ever lied? I'm sure you have because it's something everyone does. By your standard anything you do now is false., I can't believe anything about you because you lied once

I'm not making a public statement in my defence on a very specific subject which includes a blatant lie about one of the major pieces of evidence.

There's a huge difference.

major pieces of evidence.

No. Just no. There is no "major pieces of evidence" with this conspiracy.

There's actually a growing mountain of evidence. It's getting larger every day.

Lying about these subjects is fueling the fire.

Hiding what's already been found is fueling the fire.

Attempts to derail the conversation by utilizing corporate entities like CTR will fuel the fire as well.

The only answer to the problem CPP is experiencing is full visibility which has not been provided and at this point is too late to not be seen as a cover-up.

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For me? A full blown investigation.

I know that's not enough for many of those here, but that's what I see as the correct course of action.

It would at the very least restore a bit of faith that our LEO's aren't completely compromised.

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That would be in the hands of LE.

Since others have been (rightly or wrongly) convicted based on even less evidence than what's been provided, I would think that any investigation would be better than none and would help clear this guy's name in the end.

At this point (actually way before this point) he should be the one pushing for an investigation in order to clear his name. At the very least he should have asked a film crew over to tour the basement instead of lying about it.

any investigation would be better than none and would help clear this guy's name in the end.

Why don't you ask anyone who's been investigated and cleared for child rape if having their name dragged through the mud in the media with an official police investigation how "clearing their name" went. Ask their former employers if they rehired them after immediately firing them for such atrocious accusations. Ask family members if they suddenly started talking to the accused after exiling them from their lives after hearing of the accusations.

You really have no fucking idea how serious the claims you casually toss around are, do you?

I do. I haven't made any direct accusations and I'm not opposed to this guy being cleared either.

At this point doing anything other than an investigation will be worse for his public image than him coming out and welcoming one.

I would think an investigation to clear his name would be preferable to going down in infamy as the face of a conspiracy theory.

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Isn't it too late already?

Left as is it will fester.

I don't totally believe any of this, but I don't totally dismiss it either. With this much smoke there's probably a fire around, but who's fire it is and who lit it are debatable.

If this guy is innocent, I feel like he needs some help clearing his name.

As far as occam's razor, that could be used against your stance as well couldn't it? Or do you really believe that all of this just happened through sheer chance?

Point being, this is a conspiracy either way. Watch closely and we might catch a glimpse of who's behind it.

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Actually, I think they would believe the CIA was responsible.

I hope you're right though.

I hope no children suffered the fates depicted by the artists these people seem to favor.

I hope everything else like what his name translates to in french is a horrible coincidence.

There is an awful lot of coincidence here if that's the case.

you conspiracy people

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I don't think there is any evidence that this guy who went into comet with the gun had anything to do with r/conspiracy. We are not held responsible for shit that other people do. Mods have made it very clear this is sub does not by any means advocate taking action.

Edit: let's say I am on an animal rights forum. There is talk of a lab that is suspected of abusing animals and everyone on the forum agrees it is wrong and something should be done about it. Then a lunatic PETA member goes and blows up the lab. That lunatic didn't have any connection to the online forum. The people on the forum are responsible for that?

Or how about someone who disagrees with abortion for whatever reason. If they are involved in an online community that shares their view, those people are responsible for the murder of the doctor who helps women get abortions?

And now that you've lumped all conspiracy theorists together, you'd all agree that the whole "one bad apple" excuse doesn't apply to us, but you will jump at that when it comes to deep seated racism on a national level with our police/justice system?

Don't let them control you like this. What happened was wrong and I'm sure a vast majority of r/conspiracy would agree with that. Don't hold us responsible for the actions of others. Wrong is wrong, and this guy should have known better.

This is what's scary. You all love to take credit and be justice warriors for your garbage conspiracy theories but the second something actually happens you all hold up your hands and swear you had nothing to do with it.

If you can't follow through with the consequences of being wrong you shouldn't be asserting that you are right so strongly.

It's irresponsible and cowardly. But it's too late anyway. You're associated with this and anything that happens, including this incident. No one buys the "it's cool guys, the mods put a "don't shoot up pizza places" rule on the subreddit so we are all free and clear.

It doesn't work that way

Yup, pretty much. Whenever I've spoken out against Pizzagate, I get the same excuse I got during the Sandy Hook and Boston Bombing witch hunts: "We're just asking questions! There's nothing wrong with asking questions!"

Yup, there's nothing wrong with accusing literally everyone under the sun - including the reddit admins when they step in and try to enforce their site rules - of being pedophiles or allowing kids to be raped through inaction or some obscure action, with "evidence" cobbled together with diagrams, hundreds of red lines and leaps of logic so great it's impossible to follow as a "normal" person.

And sure enough we're seeing the consequences of "asking questions" just like we saw when conspiracy theorists started showing up armed at Sandy Hook schools, School Committee meetings and outside of victims' houses harassing them.

But wait! Look! One person says a random traffic camera was tilted slightly and one of the many sources reporting on an armed man shooting up the pizza place we're telling our followers is owned by evil untouchable pedophiles who will never see justice unless we do something about it said it was published early! We're in the clear, it's a false-flag!

Considering you're so quick to dismiss this kind of topic I'm sure you'er all too aware of the people in this article.

This is what's scary. You all love to take credit and be justice warriors for your garbage conspiracy theories but the second something actually happens you all hold up your hands and swear you had nothing to do with it.

haha this is so on point

We have not been proven wrong. Nice try tho

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The two emails referencing the "hankercheif with the pizza-related map" and the "Obama spent $65,000 on pizza and hotdogs to be flown in from Chicago" are the emails that indicate there is a pizza/food code being used - this is what the MSM has not reported on and is not addressed in the links above. What are your thoughts on those?

Can you provide your evidence that prove those are code words? Because all I've ever seen is people clutching straws saying "look it all fits if you hammer and bend it through the hole!"

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Do you think $65,000 for hot dogs is reasonable?

I don't believe map means semen, and that is the only correlation you "disproved".

CTR shills are out in numbers. Wear your downvotes with PRIDE ;)

MAGA

... ?

Taking credit for research you contributed to =! Taking credit for actions of others, responsible or not, dangerous or not, foolish or not.

I suppose I could say I'm responsible for the nation-wide legalization of gay marriage because I commented on the internet how bad the current policy was.

So if it comes out that Pizzagaters did uncover something. Will you throw up your hands and say you had nothing to do with it? Will you accept the consequences of being wrong.

This was one possibly mentally ill man acting alone. Not an act committed by all pizzagaters.

Do you call all muslims terrorists too?

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Lol you're doing the same thing in this comment bud

ohohohoh good point

But it's too late anyway. You're associated with this and anything that happens, including this incident.

Yes ! This! JUST LIKE All Trump voters are RACISTS AND NAZIS!!

Would you please GTFO with these Glittering Generalities?

Not all dangerous idiots are pizzagators but all pizzagators are dangerous idiots. Not all Trump supporters are racists and nazis but every white racist and American neo-nazi voted for Trump.

not every connect thing is not connected, but to connect unconnect things is a thing.

You guys basically SWATTED this place but rather than call the police you called in wannabe heroes on the internet with guns. You all should really be ashamed and not doubling down right now

You guys

you called in

You all should

Excuse me. Fuck you.

Nah dude this sub has to take responsibility for their garbage.

You'll find that Trump and most of his supporters will almost never take responsibility for something that paints them in a bad light.

....is this motherfucker serious?

Nah, you don't get to fucking tell everyone what to do.

Go away.

Did you take part in it?

If yes, he's talking about you. If no, then he's not talking about you and calm down. B

I don't understand your point of view.

If you're so sure of this conspiracy, why wouldn't you be trying to take action? These are SERIOUS allegations you guys have come up with... If these claims are true, you guys should be taking immediate action. Plain and simple, this is a bunch of bullshit. You advise people not to take action because you realize it's a crock of shit too.

I'm wondering if you've done any research on this subject at all, or if you're just puppeting what you've been told. If you're aware of the allegations are you also aware of the information that preempts them?

"Information"

Yeah... the information.

At first I was really apprehensive at this whole thing, but these guys keep pulling at threads and finding more threads. It's not just about Podesta anymore.

Feel free to get your smarm on, and act all holier than thou though. You're spending your time defending something you know very little about. Feel free to debunk this article for me, detailing the gross history (30+ individuals) of paedophilia within the American Government, and then get back to me on my lack of information, and tell me how it couldn't happen again.

So many assumptions you just jumped to there. Really sheds light on the whole conspiracy mindset

Your ignorance is showing.

It takes more than 8 minutes to read the article I sent you detailing the rampant paedophilia among government employees. I'll be waiting.

I I have no interest in arguing with someone like you.

You've painted me with a brush despite not knowing anything about me. I have presented you with evidence of rampant history of paedophilia committed by US Government employees. At this point you can decide whether you educate yourself or remain wilfully ignorant... and if it's the latter than it is I who has no interest in you.

Go ahead and debunk it.

Lol yea I'm the one whose making assumptions. I've read your article, im not denying any history of sexual abuse in govornment. I've seen all the other evidence in this thread and nothing has led me to belive in a shadowy cabal of satanic pedophile elites. The problem with debating your claims is that you've already made up your mind. Anything I say will just further prove my bias or my ignorance or whatever buzzword you choose.

As the accuser, the burden of proof is on YOU.

If you just read that article and your first inclination is to come back here and keep rambling on to me about burdens of proof than there's something wrong with you.

Here we go again, you don't have anything to say so you stoop to insults and conjecture. Learn to think for yourself and maybe I'll get back to you.

Hey man... you're the one who needs a "shadowy cabal of satanic pedophile elites". I'm not sure why plain old pedophiles aren't doing it for you...

the burden of proof is on YOU.

If you want a direct connection between Clinton and child trafficking go look up Laura Silsby.

think for yourself

Says the guy who's been acting like a puppet...

ohhh i got no strings to hold me down...

Hey I'm not the one claiming there is a satanic pedophile cult, but that is what I've been hearing from the majority of pizzagaters. I never said nothing fishy is going on. But all of the wild accusations and pure conjecture are disvaluing any shred of legitimate evidence you have.

If the running narrative was "we think there is some strange things going on with the Clinton foundation" I would be more apt to listen to you guys. This isn't an investigation, you're not considering the evidence without bias.

This is a hunt, you've identified your target and are framing all of your evidence around the assumption you're correct. That's ignorant and dangerous and honestly just plain stupid.

but that is what I've been hearing from the majority of pizzagaters

Well, you're having a conversation with an individual who is not the representative of a culmination of individuals with their own motives, interests, and ideas. I know that with the partisanry of the internet that can be hard to realize, but I'm really not 'all pizzagaters'.

you're not considering the evidence without bias

I'd argue that you're not considering the evidence at all.

If the running narrative was "we think there is some strange things going on with the Clinton foundation" I would be more apt to listen to you guys

Well... there is a bunch of strange things going on with the Clinton Foundation, but why do we need to choose your narrative for you? This is proof enough to me that you're not actually interested in any of this. You need your hand to be held, and aren't willing to dig through it yourself. Sorry for not wanting to hold your hand, but don't blame me for your discomfort at someone else's narrative when you're just gonna turn around and pick up the other guy's (MSM) narrative when it comes down to it... maybe you should try to think for yourself instead of worrying about whose narrative you're following.

Lol enough with the assumptions.

You just claimed that you'd be more willing to listen to us if you were more accepting of the narrative... that's just begging to have your hand held.

It's a big world out there... go ahead and take a look around.

No its called researching for my own and not listening to a bunch of hard headed morons on a conspiracy sub-reddit

lol...you said that you dismissed it because of the narrative. You didn't do any research.

you need to get your story straight.

No. I said I dismiss you idiots on pizzagate

Well looking at the article, it seems pedos and other sex offenders within government agencies are prosecuted and sentenced to jail without any sort of cover up or conspiracy.

At first I was really apprehensive at this whole thing

We believe you.

No bullshit. You are an arbiter for this gunman and his actions.

Evidence is pretty important when making accusations, is it?

Well, there's some evidence; it's not very compelling but the first 24 hours after incidents like this is always a misinformation minefield. You always wait until more reliable sources begin to agree on who did and said what and why.

The media is a nuisance, but not because they are involved in a conspiracy to cover up anything, but because a reporter will get one person to say 'uh, yeah, he might have said something about pizza and a gate...' and then they report 'The gunman announced that he was here to shoot paedophiles and chew gum, but he was all out of gum'.

But that's slightly different from my point.

Wow. 275 upvotes on a comment that completely shits on the members of the sub. Wonder how that happened.

Wonder how that happened.

You reached r/all

Yeah, and now everyone who doesn't know their asshole from their armpit gets to chime in on a topic that they know very little about. Good times.

/r/iamverysmart

/r/iamveryignorant

https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/daniel-rosen-s-arrest-1f7befb1762c#.abta8foqe

go ahead and read that

So your evidence for a nationwide government involved pedo ring is a list of 42 people that have worked for or with the government over the course of 7 years?

42 arrests amongst 2.8 million people that work for the federal government alone.

General public conviction rate for child porn is much higher than 1 in 400,000.

I like how the author admits that she got her data through Google and Twitter.

/r/iamveryignorant

If this what you consider solid evidence then yes, yes you are.

I love how at the end of the day all of you guys just dismiss this stuff. It's gross and it speaks volumes about the moral compass of this society, and it betrays your lack of character and spotty integrity.

As long as they're not fucking your kids right?

My evidence for a nationwide government involved pedo ring was a nationwide group of government employed pedos... but of course it's not satanic enough and doesn't fit between your narrow goalposts so it doesn't count and these guys get a pass. This was all happening before pizzagate by the way... to any rational person with a heart in their chest, 42 arrests would mean there's probably more than 42 people involved. Couple that with the fact that they were mostly using government computers and you need to figure that - with the ages, and careers and lengths of time some of these people were in office - someone else must've known outside of those 42 people.

Then couple that with the fact that the Podesta's hang out with known pedos, that James Alefantis' instagram picture is a homage to a patron saint of pederasty, and include the knowledge that Laura Silsby was arrested for human trafficking and then freed by Clinton + given a job alongside the Amber Alert program... probably just coincidences right?

But yeah... just blow it off.

It must be fun to live in your world where the investigations are already concluded before they occur, and any questions outside the official narrative are met with derision.

So you think there's an active cabal of satanist child molesters running pizza joints and all you do to stop it is... ?

You're the apathetic one.

My comment is aimed at grandstanding fools who are making the grossest allegations against perfectly ordinary people - we have phrase in law, '...of previously good character', and then hang around gloating and congratulating themselves on how noble they are.

That's not even all the people in this thread, let alone all the people in this sub.

Odd as fuck.

The sort of detail that you people find satisfactory wouldn't be enough in the real world to convict a kid of stealing from the biscuit tin, never mind fatal conspiracies involving respectable people.

The kind of evidence we have would be like the crumbs on the kids face and shirt. We don't have video proof of the kid taking the biscuit.

People coming in here saying "you have no proof" won't listen to any proof we have, because "it doesn't prove anything". Which is basically saying because we don't have a video of the guy killing/raping kids you won't take anything as evidence to at least have a real investigation into it. Even if we did have that kind of evidence, the people who had it would be put in jail for 30 years for "pedophilia" because they had video evidence.

I guarantee the guy is not going to get a real investigation because of how much power he has. He's not just some random pizza shop owner. He was literally listed in the top 50 most powerful people in the world, I think in 49th place.

I repeat, there is no 'right' to do what you're doing. You're exploiting a privilege, and if that privilege is taken away from you, you only have yourself to blame.

The only way they can take that privilege away is by taking away basically all of our internet rights; free speech for one. If they do that everybody suffers, and the UK already did so. Microsoft has a keylogger on windows, they take a high def picture of your face, THEN we have telemetry data they send back. They admit this as well.

They're already moving to take away any chance we have of un-fucking the world without violence. Because that's what we're headed to, a very bloody civil war. The average length of an empire is 250 years, and we are getting closer to that date every day. That's how long it takes for a government to go from for the people, kind of for the people, to corruption for power, and complete corruption for power. We are currently in that last stage.

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What we have is proof that dozens of government employees have been arrested for child porn and related charges. You guys are just ignorant to that fact. Read this article. This isn't hyperbole. There is a problem with the system.

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Sorry that my proof of government officials fucking kids isn't good enough for you... holy fuck man...

Yes, people in government are humans, and yes some percentage of humans piece of shit pedos. But that doesn't prove the rest of pizzagate.

Which is basically saying because we don't have a video of the guy killing/raping kids you won't take anything as evidence to at least have a real investigation into it.

Let me tell you about evidence.

I once had a client whose claim was what is called 'misrepresentation'. He had bought something because the guy who sold it told him a lot of lies. In particular, he told him:

'Hey, this guy has already bought this thing, he'll tell you all about how great it is. Plus, he can put you in touch with 3 or 4 other people who also bought the thing.'

So my client called all these four people, and they all raved about the thing. Said they'd had it for months, and it was amazing.

So he bought the thing.

By the time he came to me, he had lost his case. He couldn't figure out how. I told him there was only a really slim chance, if any, that I could pull his nuts out of the fire. [left out para setting out technical details]. He wanted to instruct me even though I told him costs would be high and prospects of success low.

I read his 70 page witness statement (that's right; 70 pages). It was hopeless. In all those 70 pages, only one paragraph (admittedly, it was more than a page long) dealt with this misrepresentation element.

But he had a statement from one of the four people saying that they'd been offered an inducement to lie like a carpet to him, and stating that he was, in fact, the first person to ever buy the thing.

This was his light sabre, his rail-gun, his unanswerable argument. Everything else in his witness statement was unnecessary. All he needed to say was:

I bought the thing because the seller gave me four names of people who'd already bought the thing and they told me how good the thing was and it turns out that they were lying and that he arranged for them to lie to me. Please see the letter from one of those people.

The seller could not have succeeded. The people he'd 'bribed' were highly unlikely to turn up at court and add perjury to their list of accomplishments.

In the end, he fired me.

He thought - you'll laugh at this, it's great - he thought he'd lost because of a conspiracy between the solicitor acting for the seller, and a clerk at the court. This is because his letter, which he posted on Tuesday, wasn't in the Court bundle that was given to the judge by his clerk on the Friday. Never mind the fact of frequent postal delays; never mind the fact of commonplace delays in the court office in processing incoming post and getting it to the relevant file, never mind the fact of errors in everything human beings ever do. So far as he was concerned, the only possible explanation was a conspiracy. No evidence of such; his thought process was: the letter wasn't there; that benefited my opponent; therefore my opponent must have been responsible for it; and the only way he could have done that is if he conspired with court staff.

The possibility was absurd, and furthermore I'm not going to make allegations like that without better evidence. So he fired me. Shame. I might have got him an appeal, if he'd not been so pig-headed.

These things are COMPLEX. Evaluation of evidence requires EFFORT. It also requires INTELLECTUAL CAPABILITY. In another answer I wrote 'some people are better at baseball; some people are better at thinking'. It's a fact; not so comfortable to the people who aren't so good at thinking, because who wants to think other people can do that better?

So: evidence is hard.

Then how do you suggest we get this evidence we need? Because we're trying to get some police to actually investigate it because there's enough "coincidences" everywhere that it makes it suspicious, and on top of that we have the media shitting on it, then we have a fake gunman who never fired a single bullet, and nobody can make up their minds if he had one, two, or even three guns.

What are we going to do to get evidence, because we can't get evidence over the internet like this. It needs to be physical evidence.

Of course that's never going to happen because too many people with too much power don't want it to happen.

No fucking shit we aren't pushing for them to be arrested. No fucking shit we don't have evidence admissible in court. We're trying to get that goddamn evidence.

You don't have a crime. You don't have a victim.

You can't get the evidence you need because you don't have a crime of which to get evidence for. People being into creepy art and sick humor and bad bands is not a crime.

Then how do you suggest we get this evidence we need?

'Needing' evidence - in this context, of an 'investigation' or 'enquiry' - suggests that you already have a conclusion. That's not how it works. In an investigation you look for the evidence, and if it isn't there, you abandon the investigation.

Way to pick a single word out of my entire comment to correct and not even answer the question.

Actually, that was my answer to the whole of your question.

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Go on. Show us where this business states the word "pedophilia". Go ahead, point it out.

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You said:

Remember, this business PUBLICLY mentions the word pedophilia

And I asked you for an example.

You have totally failed to provide any such example, even though this is something you personally stated as FACT.

Come on, show us you're not full of bullshit. Bring out the heavy guns, objective evidence that can be evaluated fairly and publicly. DO IT OR SHUT UP.

Holy shit this is dumb. Nothing you posted there backs up your claims. If you ever got out to concerts you'd realize that a show advertised as "all ages" doesn't mean it's meant for children ( especially a late show like that) it just means they won't turn away someone based on age like they would at a show that serves alcohol. It's a common thing

Well, although the comment was deleted, some of us have it still. Care to comment about the class of showcase talent the kids get with their Cheese Pizza, or will you just conveniently move the goal posts on what 'evidence' is, to you?

I predict the latter.

Show me where the business mentioned the word "pedophilia". Go on.

You are barking at the wrong redditor. I never said that. Take it up with the OP.

You accused me of moving the goalposts, for absolutely no reason.

I'm giving you the same opportunity to present facts that I gave him.

Oh hold your breath. I'm not investigating anything. I'm just defending those who do.

Freedom of speech is a privilege? Wow, next thing you know the Constitution is just an old piece of paper.

You have a constitutional right to express an opinion.

You don't have a right to do it on reddit.

It's quite simple really.

Also, whilst the state won't stop you from alleging that X and Y are involved in a criminal conspiracy to sexually abuse children and kill people, X and Y can bring defamation proceedings against you.

But until the time that they bring these proceedings, how can it be fair for Reddit to regulate that?

reddit does whatever it considers reasonable, appropriate, proper.

What you, apparently, and many other people fail to realise is that to all of us normals out here? What you are doing is toxic. You are all railing around, making completely unfounded allegations because you have bought in to or even enthusiastically embrace this half-witted, half-arsed, but viciously and manically pursued conspiracy theory which is likely to reach out and cause bad things in real life.

If reddit wants to stop that, it has every right to do so.

If you were doing this on Facebook or Twitter it would have been shut down days, probably weeks ago. I can only imagine the people in charge of reddit are working on the basis that it will peter out, and /r/conspiracy can go back to discussing moon landings and JFK.

I personally haven't named names or made any direct accusations, to be honest I haven't even dug into this that extensively, and it's the censorship that's making me look more into it. While it may seem funny to say that we should go back to looking at the moon landings, you do know that an astronaut punched a guy who confronted him over it, because it also affected him allegedly. You can't question reality and expect people to not get angry.

Since you seem to know so much about this stuff, feel free to debunk this article for me. Tell me how it could never happen again, since you're so sure of it. I bet you'd be the first guy defending all the people on that list.

Where did I say 'X can't happen again', whatever you suppose X might have been??

wow for this comment to have this many upvotes on this subreddit, the end is near /r/conspiracy

You're exploiting a privilege, and if that privilege is taken away from you, you only have yourself to blame.

You mean exercising our constitutionally protected rights? You realize free speech is a right not a privilege?

Stop with the Anti-American sentiment, if you don't want free speech, there are plenty of countries you can go to

Love it or leave it

You have a constitutional right to express an opinion.

You don't have a right to do it on reddit.

It's quite simple really.

Also, whilst the state won't stop you from alleging that X and Y are involved in a criminal conspiracy to sexually abuse children and kill people, X and Y can bring defamation proceedings against you.

My opinion is James alefantis is a pedo and I'm legally entitled to share it

entitled

Can the state prevent you? I think probably not.

Is it lawful? No. It's defamatory. And the reason why he isn't taking proceedings against you is i. costs, and ii. he hopes that idiots like you will be distracted by something else (you've seen kittens with string, haven't you?) and it will all die down.

I hope he's right.

But if you arseholes don't start taking notice then the possibility that he will take action against reddit will become real and then reddit will shut you down. Hopefully that won't involve shutting down the whole of /r/conspiracy, because that would be a shame.

In 2014 the Ninth Circuit Court ruled[6] that liability for a defamatory blog post involving a matter of public concern cannot be imposed without proof of fault and actual damages.[7] Bloggers saying libelous things about private citizens concerning public matters can only be sued if they are negligent i.e., the plaintiff must prove the defendants negligence – the same standard that applies when news media are sued.[8] The Court held that in defamation cases not the identity of the speaker, but rather the public-figure status of a plaintiff and the public importance of the statement at issue provide the First Amendment foundation.[9]

Yeah its defamatory but I'm legally entitled to my opinion again. It would never stand up in court and, as defense his sexualized images of infants and toddlers would be shown, something tells me he doesn't want that.

He defamed himself with his creepy instagram account

There's fuck all point in leaving the annotation numbers in with nothing attached to them.

So not addressing anything I'm actually saying... seems to be a pattern with pizzagate deniers

How can I address your post if the crucial annotations are left out.

By the way: pizzagate? There's nothing to deny. It's not like 'holocaust deniers', FFS.

They are denying that Podestas emails referencing pizza and James Alefantis's instagram are suspicious.

Here's the thing - sexualized images of toddlers is fucking suspicious

Sexualised images are in the eye of the beholder. I don't see anything sexualised, and neither do most healthy people.

hahahahahahhahahaha

Most healthy people don't think hotard is an appropriate label for an infant

But let me guess, that's just a joke right?

That's enough for me now.

I have to get some sleep, so I don't get paranoid delusions.

Lol so no answer for that got it

You know what sub this is right lol

I do, lol!

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

https://i.sli.mg/lwgIgH.jpg

I've seen it all (or most of it).

It's nothing, it's unsupported assertions, links made without justification, wild surmises, projection. A law student could make mincemeat of it in written submissions.

So could an FBI investigator. Who would be using the FBI logo sheet to identify why these pedo logos are used among all these businesses.

Where were all you concern trolls when Anthony Weiner was firing dick pics off to minors?

Thanks for gold.

It feels good to know that there are other people who find this evidence-free zone of vile allegations, intolerable.

Fuck you Shillary.

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You have a constitutional right to express an opinion.

You don't have a right to do it on reddit.

It's quite simple really.

Also, whilst the state won't stop you from alleging that X and Y are involved in a criminal conspiracy to sexually abuse children and kill people, X and Y can bring defamation proceedings against you.

Freedom of speech

Doesn't cover slander or libel.

Slander and libel are proven in court - not just randomly stated as facts.

BTW in court you have to PROVE you are not guilty of the crime order to win a libel suit against your accuser.

You seem to have confused the enforcement of a law with the law itself.

If I vandalize someone's house, I'm guilty of the crime, regardless of whether or not there is enough evidence to actually find me guilty.

Repeating damaging lies about people is illegal. What's more, it's wrong.

The US government can't stop you saying this shit; but the people who run reddit certainly can.

It isn't a magic wand, by the way, that wards off everything you don't like. Freedom of speech is vital; it's so vital that people like you who use it to be hysterically insulting pisses off the rest of us.

I dont get you people...How can whatever it may be that you are receiving be worth perverting justice to murdered and raped kids? Is it just money? Whatever the endgame may be for us on planet earth, be there gods or alien game show creators, surely, suuuurely, our souls or essence or whatever you want to call it will be judged in some sort of way...please, dont bother replying to me with your stock standard bullshit, just promise me youll reflect on what you are doing, and if it is really worth it.

I think what everyone is telling you is to wait and see if the real investigators can find, if any, real evidence.

I'm not even paid to be a skeptic.

I think you guys self-PSTD yourself with your theories and speculations. That's why you can't believe there's skeptics and people who aren't emotional about the 'mountain of evidences'.

Who said i was referring to you? We were talking about something seperate so what made you chime in and say you arent being paid? Fact of the matter is many people are, and they are the ones im referring to. People with one month old accounts flocking on to these forums to cast doubt and look down on people for merely investigating matters, like look at all these upvoted posts lol, what the fuck is their substance? All the same thing, you dont have complete 100% concrete evidence so stop bothering looking? If its all about evidence would you pls link me some in regards to the epidemic of personal attacks and comments directed towards possible pedophiles on here? There must be hundreds considering how many SJW/bot accounts repeat the rhetoric in here on a daily basis. So much so in fact, that alot of you dont think its worth investigating possible child murders and rape, and before you chime in and say 'oh im just saying we n33d more evidencez' (which we all fucking agree with), due note that my original comment wasnt intended for people like yourself. But yes, poster im replying to does tick the right boxes; anger/demeaning undertones, never addresses individual points of interest, etc etc.

I get what you're saying and I agree that everyone should try to reflect themselves from an outside perspective, obviously. I also think that the pizzagate community as a whole does not really do that and, as in most conspiracy theories, this ends in a lot of ignorant and fear driven tendencies that are in no way addressed - as far as I see. Cognitive bias to that degree are unbearable for me and the fact that critique is labeled as acts of "shills" does strengthen the impression, that beyond the unknown factual reality, conspiracy circles follow underlying agendas. So stop calling people shills for your own sake AND for your argument. Critique ultimately strengthens any cause - not using that is naive, childish and a sign of weak structure and arguments.

We do have libel laws.

Which are not up to the users of r/conspiracy to enforce

Which wasn't what the response was to.

The response was to whether people had a "right" to do what they're doing. They don't. Freedom of speech does not cover lying about people in a public forum.

So you're a public defender coming here to make people aware of these things despite not being interested in the subject matter or conspiracy in general? In your 2 and a half year account history your only posts on /r/conspiracy are in this thread... why are you here trying to derail conversation?

You're exactly right. But Reddit is a corporation, and the buck does stop somewhere. So when your mods don't do their jobs and tamp down the crazy, and the admins have to step in and ban this place, I'm sure you'll be real understanding, right? Because it's someone's job to prevent this sort of violence.

Yeah but the mods are doing their jobs. Any information that isn't publically available gets stamped out within minutes. The mods on this sub are fantastic. there is no doxxing here.

Exactly, Reddit has the freedom to silence your speech on their website when they see people using their site to harass people

No, as he stated, you have the privilege of using Reddit to discuss your conspiracies, not the right.

There are those who would argue that major websites approach the status of public areas due to their universalness. Of course, at the moment that's more an academic debate than a legal one.

This is reddit, we are not guaranteed freedom of speech on reddit. It's a private company. Freedom of speech protects against government censorship, nothing more. Reddit admins can do whatever the fuck they want on their own website. Or do you think we should nationalize so i media? Communist.

Wow. You got downvoted for saying that.

Honestly, whoever downvoted your post needs a kick in the nuts.

that's fine try and stop us

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Shilling for what? For whom?

What makes you think I'm a shill? Because I disagree with you, and say so vociferously? Are you absolutely certain that no-one could look at what you've looked at and reach a different conclusion?

What gives you that certainty? What in your life allows you to be so certain that you've got it right and people like me have got it wrong?

Then help us understand why you are motivated to take time out of your random life, and throw shade on questions about a DC insider who owns a small business in the District?

Why are YOU so adamant to discourage anyone from even talking about this? That is the real question, here. Motive?

Because it irresponsibly encouraged a neckbeard, mall ninja to show up armed at this establishment.

I love your facts, but they are not facts.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/edgar-maddison-welch-comet-pizza-pizzagate-washington-dc-gunman-suspect-photos-pictures-facebook-conspiracy-north-carolina/

This whole stupid theory almost got people killed. It's time to call "pizzagate" out as the ridiculous bullshit it is.

Whatever you say boss.

Go away.

No. Not until this shit stops.

"What are your motives for commenting on Reddit?"

Is anybody who disagree a shill? Am I shill now?

ITT: a lot of people who are doing anything but "just talking" about the subject. The hysteria is palpable. I'm tryna let a bit of pressure out of the tyres before the vehicle runs out of control.

Why do I do it? Because insistent, repeated, continuous repetition of baseless allegations can in itself be dangerous.

There are two possibilities:

If it turns out that the guy with the gun was motivated to take the law into his own hands because of all the pizzagate hysteria on the internet, then the hysteria will have come close to being deadly.

If it turns out that this wasn't what motivated him, then the problem is that for a short time, no-one could be sure the hysteria isn't what motivated him - and that tells us that it was only chance that gets the conspiracy spreaders off the hook.

Crazy shills in here. 2 year accounts with 300 karma and such.. Karma all comes from single sentences or basic 'agreements': "Yeah, thats crazy" = So much shilling in here its crazy!

I think pizzagate is insane BS. how can you dismiss my account?

no u dont get it its the hillaries

Like any REAL conspiracy: facts don't match story.

You can't answer one question presented, can you?

Why did SY hide efits for 5 years? Why Podestas match efit perfectly? What they were doing at clems house? All their fucking pedo shit.

-just one coincidence after another.. yeah. ok.

So you just assume that these things all mean pedophile stuff. This shit is deranged

Tell me why Scotland yard sat on efits for 5 years? Podestas won't comment on their whereabouts?

LOL. You're fucking laughable.

<nothing to see here huh?>

pizzagate

spirit cooking

Fuck CTR shills.

I don't know why (or even if) Scotland Yard would sit on that. There can be many reason not dealing with pedophiles. So that proves nothing.

Also do you really think I'm a CTR shill? That's literally insane

Probably works for CTR amirite?

I'm very out of the loop... but what were the events that happened today?

Well, but then this goes at the heart of the drama. Where is the investigation? At least, the local police has a responsibility to investigate such a massive accusation of such a heinous crime.

If there's no investigation after all this noise, then the masses should be concerned.

Edit: You would think someone would at least check to see if there are pedophilic pornographic images on the bathroom walls, or even if they are the same bathroom. How could any self-respecting beat cop not check in on that?

the local police has a responsibility to investigate such a massive accusation of such a heinous crime.

There isn't a massive accusation. There's a few sad but very annoying internet commentators who can't tell evidence from a hole in the ground. Any professional detective looking at this stuff is more likely to contact mental welfare people to help the idiot making the report.

Bullshit. You cannot look at all the shit pizzagate has brought up and not think it should be investigated.

Um...

...yes, yes I can.

And I'm a lawyer; a litigator. I spend my working life evaluating evidence, and

YOU HAVE NOTHING.

Happenstances, coincidences, chinese whispers, ambiguity. That's all there is.

People always forget it's innocent until proven guilty when it's people they don't like.

They said investigating though I don't think they said conviction or anything along those lines

However I do believe that more info needs to be found or brought to light in order to prove these guys are behind anything more than an incredibly weird sense of humor and art

But with all of the (very) circumstantial and (IMO) accidental imagery combined with weird emails and political pull I do believe he needs to be looked into more to determine what exactly is going on wether nefarious or not

And "if he's not doing anything wrong he's got nothing to worry about" this time it's just civilians doing the hacking and remote viewing instead of the government

Your aware of what you guys are doing, right?

How would you feel if a group of random people from the internet started stalking your every online move, going to all of your livelihoods social media pages and saying your a pedophile, and eventually started violently confronting you in person all because some fucking idiots at the_donald said to based on what couldn't even be called the barest shreds of evidence?

This is pretty much an online version of angry mob lynching.

How would you feel if a group of random people from the internet started stalking your every online move, going to all of your livelihoods social media pages and saying your a pedophile

If I had an instagram account like that I think I would expect such a reaction.

No, it isn't. You can't hold a group of individuals accountable for another individual's actions. Use your brain.

Yes you can??

Just because you didn't pull the rope doesn't excuse you from being part of the lynch mob.

If you're on the side of "investigate, investigate, investigate", then sure, awesome, whatever. I hope you find something to validate your suspicions! But holding on to something like Pizzagate despite have 0 evidence is delusional. Excusing the actions of the mob this sub and the_donald generated - such as the active harassment of the owners and patrons - laid the groundwork for what this moron did today.

Do not pretend that one person (or even many people) acting inappropriately, as vigilantes, somehow means that every other person with reasonable suspicions in this issue should lose their right to discuss it.

Think very carefully of the precedent that would set. It means that you can discredit any discussion merely by planting an agitator. In fact, there are fully disclosed CIA programs from the 60s and 70s that had this exact purpose.

Think for yourself. It is healthy.

Way to not actually read my post. And please, take your patronizing tone elsewhere. You sound like /r/iamverysmart.

0 concrete evidence doesn't provide reasonable suspicion, unless you're holding yourself to an even more vague standard than cops do. And discussion doesn't equal accusation. The truth is that this sub, and others like it, have effectively issued an indictment of Comet Pizza with no evidence.

Those of us who do "think for ourselves" recognize the relationship between baseless accusations and are not surprised when less stable members of the group decide to act in a violent way.

I read every word of your post.

Yes you can??

Just because you didn't pull the rope doesn't excuse you from being part of the lynch mob.

I am not part of a lynch mob, and thus require no "excuses" for the actions of an individual(s) you claim to represent the views of another set of individuals.

Also, I've noticed that you changed your stance a bit:

0 evidence

became

0 concrete evidence

which I applaud you for. Now, it would be more true to say that you have found no concrete evidence, not that none exists.

Look, I don't want to argue here on and on. I understand where people are coming from with wanting to curb the vigilantism. What I want people to know is that from the outset, there have been a large number of individuals investigating the phenomenon of pedophilia rings that have called for exactly that: the prevention of a witch hunt. This thing has gotten very big. There are many groups and individuals with a variety of opinions.

I want to point out that there actually is evidence. It may not hold up in court (in fact I highly doubt it would). There is a term called circumstantial evidence. Any honest person doing even a modest amount of research into "pizzagate" will likely come to the conclusion that there is some evidence, as well as a whole lot of nonsense and noise. What I'm trying to communicate is that the noise and nonsense doesn't erase the real evidence which is highly suspicious. Before you reply, consider at least one piece of information (which I will not even call evidence for the sake of not wanting to carry on with this tired argument). Please examine the death of Monica Peterson. Even though there may not be "concrete evidence" linking her to "pizzagate" or whatever else, please consider that real human lives are being snuffed out before you demand censorship.

Yes, yes it is. People here were encouraging a group to go in and forcibly take a pizza the other day. After paying for it, of course.

Groupthink begets groupthink only among the willing. The good news is, no matter the numbers, rights to speech are inalienable.

Actually, they're not. The only right to free speech you have is from the government. Congress can't censor you, but pretty damn near anyone else can at will without repercussion.

Incorrect. But nice try. While I agree that Reddit or any other platform can (and will) censor users, as they have the right to, that is not what free speech means. Free speech is not granted as a privilege government, but is inalienable. The first amendment does not grant free speech. It denies Congress the ability to make law that would impede it.

Reddit is at liberty to shut down videogame discussions in general if they wanted to if they for some reason hated videogames. This is not about Reddit, or any particular forum. This is about conformist thought. All the fake upvotes and downvotes in the world aren't going to quell the discussion. Streisand effect is taking shape here, and the hush hush movement ain't working.

When did I say you should confront or attack or even talk to him? It's just investigating and whatever you put on the internet in public domain is allowed to be looked at

"if he's not doing anything wrong he's got nothing to worry about". Exactly weren't we against this logic before. I know for a fact you can paint a pretty bad picture of me, if you go through my post history and actively chop and choose what you choose to present as "evidence".

I've used this example before but the reason these NSA things are so bad is that you can frame the argument by chopping and choosing what is shown. America probably just chose the most corrupt president they've ever had and they did it because the (admittedly not innocent) other party was framed as worse.

For example if I told you to choose between this nice german man, who only wants what's best for Germany, and loves dogs vs this black terrorist who was arrested for treason and attempted murder and was so dangerous he was sent to prison on an island - Robben Island - who do you choose?

But that's not that bad. I mean as long as Alefantis (and let's use his real name to remember he is an actual human being) isn't being punished it's not that bad to investigate the innocent, right? It's just to prove his innocence then, right? Except James Alefantis is being punished. How many customers has James Alefantis lost in this time? How much emotional damage has James Alefantis suffered? The answer if he's innocent, is too much

Doesnt reddit usually rail about how cops and public officials should be held to a higher standard?

Not when it comes to suspected pedophilia and human trafficking it seems.

People like you forget this is the internet, reddit, and not a court of law. Those are law rules. This is a casual global citizen investigation.

Lol nice to see you respond to me again at a completely different comment. Nah I'm not forgetting shit. This isn't The_Donald - I don't have to agree with you. I'm allowed to have a different opinion.

And my opinion is pizzagate is harassment and should be illegal. The law is slow, the problem of how to enforce it over the internet is real but ask yourself if the things the pizzagaters have done behind their computer screens wouldn't at least be criminal in terms of stalking, harassment and libel if they weren't done of the internet?

It would definitely be considered illegal if making new laws wasn't so shitty and the problem of how to enforce those laws such a massive issue. But it's not illegal is such a low fucking bar. I mean come on man, surely you're better than that. It's not illegal for me to destroy the world by creating a machine to release greenhouse gases but that's only because the law is a shitty immobile thing. But I consider myself better than that. Plus PS the spirit of the law does consider those things illegal even over the internet http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/11/what-the-law-can-and-cant-do-about-online-harassment/382638/

Like I replied to you in the other comment. The problem with this casual global citizen investigation (lol) is that they don't operate ethically and cant be held liable for their actions. Pizzagate quite clearly crosses the line between conspiracy into vigilantism to anyone that's followed it and maintained some modicum of impartiality.

Why do you dismiss it so easily? You don't think the people with global power would do things like that?

Nah I mean Saville proved that there are sick fucks everywhere. Hell what we should be doing is looking at that sony leak.

I dismissed pizzagate because I'm familiar with the concept of if you look for a pattern you'll find one. And when I read the emails that's what I saw.

I didn't see pedos. I saw people making inside jokes and weird innuendos. The same things I do except they were being judged under the light of being presumed guilty (admittedly at first, not guilty of being pedos but of being guilty).

And that's what happened people threw out theories about what they were guilty about and the pedo thing stuck and then people ran away with that. Except people forgot to ask if they're even guilty. And very quickly I realised I was participating and actively supporting harassment and stopped going to those sites

Uh......do you not believe in innocent til proven guilty?

doesn't matter, we're not on the Andaman islands mate!

There's a justice system and that's how modern civilizations deal with that.

I don't think you understand how investigations start. Cool, you say you're a lawyer. We won't get any evidence you can use in a case if it doesn't get investigated. I'm sure you know how a warrant is served. Enough "coincidences" that they think it needs an investigation.

They literally had a pedophilia symbol in their sign right on the front of their building. Disturbing photos on their instagram. Even more disturbing comments on the photos. Photos of rooms that shouldn't even be in a pizza parlor. 2 or 3 Children that have a genetic disorder that occurs in .0001 percent of all children.

Take your time and go through this entire image. I think we have much more than nothing.

You're on the wrong side of history.

I see it takes about 35 minutes for the shills to find me.

I've always dismissed pizzagate out of hand because it seemed totally ridiculous. Now that I've looked at that image.... y'all are seriously a bunch of delusional idiots grasping at straws.

DC has an area L'Enfant plaza, it's a big mall... Bro I think this goes deeper cause clearly that means the whole city is full of pedos who shop for kids at malls!!

The funniest part of this whole thing is that they act like Marina Abramovic is some fringe occult figure, and that associating with her is some kind of evidence of wrongdoing.

Or maybe it's the part where they think that having two pizza places on the same street is suspicious.

Or maybe it's the part where they think that a conspiracy of elite pedophiles would intentionally put pedophilia symbols in their business logos.

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I can only wonder how the 1500 people who participated in The Artist is Present are linked to Pizzagate.

To be fair some of the art, namely the obvious child rape posters, should not be in an all ages pizza parlour.

They're not. Supposedly they are inside Tony Podesta's house.

They were part of a Comet poster advertising a music night.

Tbf nobody understands modern art.

or using rock show posters as proof of satanism/immorality. Do these people go outside?

Is some of the stuff on that photo shady and distasteful? Fuck yeah.

Is any of it any sort of evidence of a massive child sex trafficing ring? Absolutely fucking not. This is just plain retarded.

None of them know what satanism actually is either. It's like the most compassionate "religion" there is.

People in this thread think that Satanic Panic was legitimate.

Yeah because obviously nobody in the government has ever been a pedophile.

I don't even know what to do with people like you anymore. I honestly don't know how you can look at that image and not be in the least suspicious. Some people are so comfortable with their lives they don't want to break their delusion that something like this isn't possible. I'm getting sick of it.

• Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR and have people comment #killroom, and to "just rinse it off when you're done".

• What kind of sick fuck takes a picture of a kid like this, whether she's actually restrained or not, and puts it on their instagram

• Why do they have so many children with a genetic disorder that only appears in .0001 percent of all children. Podesta also has this genetic disorder.

• Why do they have a pedophilia symbol on their parlor sign. Pedo symbol comes from an FBI memo Who then later changed it to this very quickly.

• These are posters for "all ages" events. Sex stains? Heavy Breathing? Acid Mothers Temple? All ages? Are you fucking kidding me?

• Boyfriends? Homosuperior? Underware with hearts? A demon head? Intestines or some shit? Some demon-killer-knife bitch? I don't even know what the fuck this is.

Does this fucking look family friendly to you?

• What's this? Another PEDO SYMBOL?. Guess who's on the website? Hillary.. Now, what kind of business does hillary own on the side? Oh that's right, she goes into 3rd world countries and "rescues" children. I wonder how close this is to comet ping pong.... it seems it's quite close indeed

• This is Tony Podesta.

• Here's a police render image of a sketch of a child kidnapper. You can't argue they don't look scarily similar.

• Where were those to on the date the kid was kidnapped. Oh wow! Look at that

Lets look at what kind of artwork tony likes.

• Here's one bit.

• Here's some more.

• Here's bill clinton in here too

• Another pedo symbol, this time on a organization specifically for young refugees. Marked plain as day is the symbol, boy lover.

• Here's 'Boy Lover' on a wall of an elpida project, along with writing "elpida love".

• Oh, and Laura got caught with child trafficking, as in kidnapping 33 children from Haiti, most had families. Guess who saved her? Hillary. Fucking Hillary again.

How can you look at all this evidence and shrug it off like it's nothing. It's disgusting. You should be more than ashamed of yourself.

Dude you literally just linked all the same shit that was in the image I responded to. I honestly think you need to seek help if you think that there's a huge pedo conspiracy in the upper reaches of our government that has previously gone unnoticed, yet apparently uses glaringly obvious imagery and social media posts that clearly and easily identified them as pedophiles

huge pedo conspiracy in the upper reaches of our government

You mean that thing that happens in pretty much every government at some point?

yet apparently uses glaringly obvious imagery and social media posts that clearly and easily identified them as pedophiles

They are bold because useful idiots/willful idiots cover for them, like this right here.

You mean like in the UK government?

Is there a reason you ignored the second half of the sentence that contains the salient part of the point I was making?

... thats rather disturbing that thats the salient point of your argument rather than the actual pedo ring and whether we can trust our government to not be covering that up. But yes, because it obviously wasnt "clearly" identifying them the same way having a colored handkerchief in your back pocket for the different kind of sex you want was "glaringly obvious" but the vast majority of people didnt know

The salient point being that I don't believe there is one. You can jerk about how a pizza place is secretly a haven for big time pedophiles as much as you want, but that's dumb as hell and based on laughably ridiculous evidence

Exactly the type of talk against the UK ring.

Pls show me the evidence that people are citing about the UK ring that comes from symbols in business logos, band posters and social media posts

https://inserbia.info/today/2015/07/uk-mi5-covered-up-for-pedophiles-among-government-report/

I wouldve posted the 60 minutes piece on it but its only on their site as all the youtube videos have been taken down

I'm not asking whether the secret service covered for government, I'm asking for the evidence that was gathered from social media, band posters and business logos

60 minutes wouldve been better for that sort of info but i can't get to the video and anything on youtube has been yanked.

Also, it wasn't exposed during a time that was so internet connected. It's going to be harder to find stuff like this in general (and to be fair, there may not be any nearly as concrete as pizzagate)

Slightly off topic, but isnt there currently breaking in the uk a massive illegal human trafficking network- spanning dozens of football clubs involving hundres of victims- that has been secretly going on for a very long time?? This is my first question. The second being, that if this is accurate, why is it hard to believe that some of the biggest power players in the western world couldnt be involved in something similar?

That's not the part that's hard to believe, the part that's hard to believe is that pizzagate is contingent on them not taking any measures to be secretive and to be openly advertising what they're doing online, through their businesses and through email. People who would be competent enough to rise to the pinnacle of wealth and power in the western world simply would not do that, it'd be absurd. Ya'll conspiracy nuts need to readjust those tinfoil hats

right, like, they usually need a private email server, or gag orders on their private speeches, use tor, or password protected archives... to be fair, these are emails and messages that where leaked and NEVER meant to be public~ so there's that to consider~ (we don't know what level of protection or encryption they where under, only that there has been no denial of their validity- only complaints that it musta been the russians/ it caused the secretary of state to encourage Ecuador to cut assange's internet 6__6 ~)

as much as this MIGHT be a big thing (like ol' sanduski ...or the european footballerz club pedo-busts happing now- i am of the opinion that this is being blown out of proportion to distract from much more complex and blatanly illegal activities hinted at in the email leaks/ being targeted as the most fringe/ least damning of the claims in the emails so as to discredit the whole cabootle~

.... i am assuming by your condor and blanket labeling of conspiracy nuts and using the tin foil hat trope, that you are not a person who would normally visit or entertain a subreddit specifically about 'Conspiracies'~ (forgive me if i am wrong- ;]

You are certainly right, I got here cause the post hit /r/all and I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. This stuff is on par with that daycare this sub terrorized lmao

It is clear that Hillary Clinton is not tech savvy whatsoever. I always assumed this was because of her age. I mean, for Christ sakes she didn't know what it meant to "wipe" a hard drive. ("like with a cloth?")

I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the members in this elite pedophilia ring are as clueless as she is.

Lol at you never having seen a restaurant cooler room before and taking those jokes about a kill room seriously. #getajobinfoodservice

Also the show posters. There are 1000's of show posters with very similar imagery on them all around most major cities, promoting bands playing at local venues. It's like theses people have never seen album covers or promotional posters before. How do you even make that connection? "They put up a poster where there is a cartoon picture with a lady holding a knife, I bet that means people fuck children there." Get the fuck outta here with that Shit.

yah music is sometimes 3spooky

How exactly do you know that they are joking? The conjecture with the cooler room to a kill room ( besides the fact cooler rooms have been use as kill rooms before) is made in context in relation to other highly suggested imagery......

No it isn't. The other highly suggested imagery is "a band once put up a poster here that was weird looking" or "this other totally unrelated guy who has maybe never met these two guys talking likes weird art". It's only related if you invent connections that aren't there. Cooler rooms look creepy, that joke is one some of my friends might have made, it's not evidence of anything, just like all the other "evidence" that's pure conjecture on things taken completely out of context and probably totally misunderstood, like the poster above claiming no pizza place should have a cooler room. It's 1% weird stuff and 99% clueless misinterpretation in the most negative possible light.

......You need a gold medal in mental gymnastics. Are you saying the picture of the little girl being restrained isn't highly suggested? Or Comic Pong Pong having and promoting "those posters" aren't suggesting anything? Are you blind? Do they need to have a little girl licking a popsicle with her tongue sticking before you say its highly suggested? And here you are stating there aren't any connections whatsoever. You seem to have this misconception that conjecture is fabrication. Let me tell you this, it isn't. You can not make conjectures without having SOME evidence go off of. If you don't then you're are making up stories and not conjectures. So if a guy who was trial for murder and was found innocent then a few weeks later after the trial he is found on video of himself bragging of how he got away with murder, would you say that isn't suggesting anything and isn't in any shape or form of him wrongdoing? Or do you think he is being misinterpret and being taken out of context? It isn't normally for a pizza restaurant to have a cooler room like that. The cooler room in the photo seems like one for a butcher. Pizza restaurant usually don't butcher meat. It is rather odd for Comic Pong Pong to have a cooler of that size, while a smaller one would have been more sensible......

Oh, you know their restaurant space was purpose built for them, they didn't maybe lease an already finished restaurant space? What does it matter if their cooler room is bigger than they might need? Are you suggesting they have food in one half and a kiddie torture room in the other half? Because that's what it sounds like you're suggesting. And it's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Maybe you should go sneak back there and check it out so you can alert the police. Or the health department that regularly inspects it anyway. You aren't conjecturing, you're making shit up from whole cloth. If a large cooler room is evidence of a child torture sex ring, then literally everything could be construed as "evidence".

You posting about it on the internet is even stronger evidence that you're interested in pedophilia than that cooler room is. And man, if you live alone, or own a van, then god help you. That's enough for a conviction on this subreddit.

I didn't make make any claims that the restaurant was built for them? Why are you making conjectures? :) How do you know that they might have lease the place for the large cooler room? If they did why would they want such a large cooler room? Could they be butchering meat? If so, what kind of meat are they cutting up? More importantly, why would a pizza restaurant be butchering meat? A kiddie torture room you say? Man you and your conjectures, but that would explain the need for a cooler room like that. You find the thought of a cooler room being used as a kiddie torture chamber the most retarded thing you ever heard? You must have a very shelter life......I doubt I could "sneak up" on an actual kiddie sex ring and even if I did (based on their know relationships to some big cats) I doubt contacting the police would help much. The health department is already corrupt (just look at the current health industry in the US) so their inspections are worth jack-shit. Not everything can be used as evidence. For example, you can't use a picture of someone's who eating cheeseburger to prove that he is a vegan. Also, a piece of evidence can be used draw very different conclusions. For example, you have a student that get 100's on his tests while in the classroom with his classmates but get 50's when he is by himself. You could take that to mean he is a good cheater or you could take that to mean he works best while in a group or you could draw different conclusions. Your example is off (to say the least) since you are completely ignoring context that is available in front of you and would pretty much damn anyone on this thread. If you're saying they are taking pictures out of context, then I would like you to show evidence that they are misrepresenting Comic Pong Pong.......

https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+wrapped+in+tape&amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;prmd=ivsn&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjz0uirjt7QAhUJwVQKHTMtAWAQ_AUIBygB

Yep, I bet everyone that took these pictures is for sure, without a shadow of a doubt a pedophile... Jesus Christ y'all are delusional.

.........Would a pedo do something like tie up kids? Based on what you're saying I take it that your answer is a no. You are ignoring context again........

Screenshots of red boxes drawn over unverifiable images and Google maps isn't evidence. Writing larger font just like screaming doesn't make your delusions anymore real.

COMMENTS OF BLACK LETTERS AND UNVERIFIABLE STATEMENTS ON TYPED ON REDDIT ISN'T REFUTATION OF THE EVIDENCE. WRITING SMALLER FONT JUST LIKE NOT SCREAMING DOESN'T MAKE YOUR DELUSIONS ANY MORE REAL. :)

Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR

That's called a walk-in freezer/cooler, and just about anyone who has worked in food service has seen one before.

and have people comment #killroom, and to "just rinse it off when you're done".

Because everything that is said on the internet is $100% really real, and pedo-murderers are just being honest since they're commenting on a photo online. (Just a friendly side note: Don't watch the TV show Dexter. I don't want you feeling the need to call up Miami-Dade police to tell them they have a murderer on staff.)

Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR.

Because its a pizza shop, and every pizza shop has a walk-in cooler to store dough, meats, veggies, marinara etc.

And what good pizza place doesn't wash out the #killroom when they're done for the day, right?

You're right. Someone's friend making a comment in jest means that Hillary Clinton is involved in a pedophile ring operating out of a Pizza Shop in DC. You've solved the mystery.

I'm getting sick of this stupid pizzagate stuff, so I'm going to debunk all of your evidence now so I can just copy-paste it later.

Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR

It's a walk in freezer. Most pizza parlors in America have one.

What kind of sick fuck takes a picture of a kid like this

A lot of people, actually. I don't think you understand that most people don't find this picture weird.

Why do they have a pedophilia symbol on their parlor sign

Because most normal people, including most logo designers, have absolutely no idea of any damn pedophilia signs. From your examples, the Sega Dreamcast logo is a far closer suspect. I imagine the business reacted the same as almost any business would after the first person calls in saying their logo is a pedophile symbol, and changed it quickly.

These are posters for "all ages" events. Sex stains? Heavy Breathing? Acid Mothers Temple? All ages? Are you fucking kidding me?

Here's a Google list of punk bands. If you think Sex Stains and Heavy Breathing are bad, give that a few scrolls. This is a good explanation for the concert posters, as well.

Here's a police render image of a sketch of a child kidnapper.

Here's where you can read up on the Madeleine Mccann case. As you can see, they've got evidence pointing everywhere. As for the police sketch photos, you could also say it looks like Andy Garcia and Joey from Friends. E-fit facial composites are known for being kind of a crap shoot.

Lets look at what kind of artwork tony likes.

I don't understand fancy modern artist shit myself, but I researched the artists. As for the sculpture, it's by Louise Borgeois, and hanging bodies and parts is one of her schticks. As for the paintings, they're by Biljana Djurdjevic, and her whole portfolio isn't just half-naked kids so much as half-naked everybody.

So I just read as much about it as possible and, yeah, some of it is definitely a bit creepy. I can see how one might be convinced, especially if you already didn't like Hillary Clinton. The high rate of missing children is very weird, and a lot of the emails do seem pretty strange (although I am dubious about the "code"- I'd like a source for that before I even considered believing any part of it because it's stated as authoritative fact and it kind of just seems made up). Oh and the sketches are eerily like the Podestas- if they were really in Portugal that is pretty strange, although I'd like to know who exactly "alleges" this.

But several pieces of it are just obviously a huge reach, or outright false.

One thing that struck me in particular is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of internal logic. Like a lot of the evidence relies on the idea they were sort of "hiding in plain sight". But why would they do that? They have so much to lose, and so much of this is very easily found. It just doesn't seem plausible that they'd abuse children in a location that has a known paedophile logo on the front of it in a major metropolitan area.

And given that the well-established narrative is that they're abducting refugees and at risk children etc., why on earth would they abduct Madeleine McCann? I'm not sure how familiar you Americans have been with the case prior to this whole thing, but there was a huge media furore about it. It absolutely dominated the headlines for a long period and returned sporadically to the news for years, every time there was a new development. This would not have been a surprise to them. So it just seems internally inconsistent that they would take such an enormous risk when they already had this much easier method of obtaining victims.

But would it have ever been noticed if the emails weren't released?

Wow, jokes about a walk in cooler? Damning! Playfully taping a smiling child with masking tape? Incontrovertible Proof! Concert Posters????? Where i live those are provided by the artists not the venue. We got em guys!

you people are delusional.

Concert Posters????? Where i live those are provided by the artists not the venue.

no silly, the entire dc music scene is pedos, also the entire art scene - i mean some of the pictures they're using as 'evidence' are literally hanging in significant galleries being seen by hundreds if not thousands of people every day... and it's international, every art gallery in the world - i was in a really cool little space showing Gee Vaucher's work, the artist behind the legendary CRASS album covers, some of her work covers the subjects of violence against children - i mean sure she'd say she'd devoted her life to raising awareness and understanding of these things so we can try and confront them and stop them happening but i happen to be able to guess she's eaten [vegan] pizza at some point in her life!!!!

Literally everyone that has any form of education is an evil pedo, the evidence is obvious - i mean did you see the one they demonstrated that the Greek statue someone used as their avatar is probably an pedo... yes, i know it's crazy just imagine how long he must have had to search through antiquity to find someone involved in that sort of thing! oh, and he's the most commonly represented figure in Greek statuary btw so basically anyone with any Neoclassical architecture or artwork is in the evil gang too....

Suddenly though it becomes clear, it's the same people who have always been upto something, it's the evil smart people that stop us doing all the fun things we want to do like holding fireworks and getting rich on pyramid schemes....

I"m not claiming anything is "incontrovertible proof" or "damning".

My point is that it is most definitely suspicious enough to have an actual investigation. Why is that so bad? We need actual investigators to actually investigate a suspicious situation.

If it was damning evidence they would be lynched when people saw it.(And I'm not calling for this either.)

And how is taping a child to a table with masking tape "playful"? It's downright creepy. Irregardless of whether or not she was actually restrained in any way it's extremely creepy.

Do you have children? Do you interact with children in real life? I can easily see a scenario where my niece and I were playing some silly game and she would have her hands taped. This is not nefarious, imo

Yes. It is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation that involves spending 5 minutes on Wikipedia and Snopes to conclude that it is not worth proceeding with any form of investigation beyond that. If you believe that an Internet hoax is worth spending actual money on to investigate then you can get your wallet out.

I'm sorry but this isn't a movie. It's real life and you're kind of ridiculous.

Btw that kill room is a walk in freezer. Do some real research please.

Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR and have people comment #killroom, and to "just rinse it off when you're done".

Has no one around here ever worked in a restaurant? That's a walk-in freezer or fridge. Those units along the ceiling are the blowers that pump the cold air in. Every restaurant you've ever been in has one or two of them. During normal daily operation they have racks around the walls with food stored on them.

This is a nice example of the logic problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. You're looking for and assuming something nefarious is going on, so you're going to find it whether it exists or not. It's all confirmation bias.

I believe it's called "willful ignorance".

Those posters are for bands, did you even bother googling or doing any research besides drawing shapes around things you thought were weird?

Because there's not pedophilia in the music/entertainment/movie industry whatsover, but that's a completely different can of worms.

If you truly believe all of this has merit and you've got substantial evidence why have you not gone to a PI and spoken to them about this?

Those punk band shows are for all ages so teenagers can come, since many shows are 18+

Actually are you implying that these bands are complicit with pedophilic acts?

Not really. But the fact that these posters are normal is disturbing.

So you're looking to comment in on alternative and punk music culture with 0 knowledge on the matter? Also since when did art have to conform to normal?

!okay!
*"kill room" = walk in freezer... that they have in every restaurant. the comments are just dark humor.
*that kid has masking tape on her, she was playing and looks like she's having fun. another kid probably taped her, parent snapped a picture of kiddo hijinx.
*flecks of color in the eye? not uncommon... could be reflection anyways
*a spiral triangle is a simple shape, easy coincidence to makes a spiral pizza slice.... they changed it once they learned of the similarity. (why would a pedophile lair use publicly known pedo symbols as a logo? seem kinda too brazen? or maybe just a coincidence?)
* looks like cool bands i'd go see.
--seriously, lots of bands use scary-movie-poster style posters
* police render sketch actually does look close. i mean, generic faces but kinda creepy.
* thats not a spiral heart, that's an outlined heart, or two hearts... and come on, how cliche is a hand on a heart? I could find 1,000,000 hand on heart logos in one google image search
* the kidnapper potesta thing... and the art work... you should focus on just that. it's not evidence but at least interesting.
damn it... most of your evidence seems cray cray... but some...
like that email about pizza and demolishing children? what context would even make sense?
fine, i'm putting my tinfoil hat back on

like that email about pizza and demolishing children? what context would even make sense?

The context is quite clear. And there's nothing about pizza in it either. A grandfather was sent an assortment of cheeses. He is waiting for his children/grandchildren to return from vacation so they can "demolish them" (eat the cheeses) together. It's pretty fucking straightforward.

I've been reading through pretty much all the "evidence" these people have invented. The only really scary thing to me about all this is that seemingly anyone can be accused of these heinous acts, and people will believe it based on insane interpretations of completely harmless statements and images.

sounds like something a satanic pedophile cannibal would say...

I searched for "pizzagate podesta genetic disorder" but came up with nothing. Am quite interested in what's up with that little girl's eye and what disorder it is?

Don't forget this. It ties together the whole Instagram account, even the "innocent" pictures of kids that were on it. That's still his profile picture. Today. And the entire account is filled with kids and sexually graphic images. That is a pedophile's Instagram account, it's not even a debate anymore.

The people here denying pizzagate are simply trying to "correct the record". The fact that they're fighting it so hard just shows that there's validity to it.

Annnnnd the rabbit hole just got deeper. Jeez man that's nuts. Thanks for the pic there.

The fact this false flag even happened is proof we are getting close to something sensitive. Ignore the false upvotes, and keep powering forward. This is just a filter to discourage some from participating.

I wish I could share this everywhere. I don't know how people can claim to disbelieve this shit so easily, I guess it's easier to ignore human trafficking when there's a paycheck involved. Makes me sick.

Your brain no work proper.

Glad you think so.

Acid Mothers Temple is a great band. You seriously think they have time for pedophilia amidst all those lengthy guitar solos?

Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR and have people comment #killroom, and to "just rinse it off when you're done".

...you could have posted those. They're public comments...

hahaha seriously I always wondered what the "evidence was" but I just read that whole thing and pizza gaters are the craziest tinfoil hat wearers I've heard of in a long time

Your attempts at discrediting us by insult will not work on us, pal. We're conspiracy theorists, we have faced adversity before.

Its not meant to work on you, im just trying to reinforce to people readinh your craziness that if you really think about it for half a second, it's just a silly conspiracy theory. The fewer people that join the cult of pizzahate the better

On the one hand, here I am spending time commenting on this thread but on the other hand whoever made that graphic needs a better fucking hobby.
There's gotta be a clever name to describe the ludicrous practice of applying a bullshit/irrelevant word substitution guide to any communication in order to create the appearance of sinister intent.

Madlad Madlibs?

Comet Substitutions?

Delusional Fantasy?

Anyways, that edit in the title absolving redditors of blame for circlejerking this fan fiction into real world consequence is cowardly logic. You can't push for justice over an imagined crime and not expect someone to possibly act on it. The accusations are so terribly serious they should require serious proof to investigate and all these people have come up with is some totally disconnected theory.

Sex stains, Heavy Breathing, Acid Mothers Temple are all regularly touring bands and I have seen them play at "all ages venues."

its nuts the significance they selectively ascribe and tunnel vision these losers have. they act like "kid-friendly" is the raison d'etre for his restaurants instead of standard menu-jargon.

literally nobody has stepped back and said "hey, maybe thats something tons of restaurants put on their menus/advertisements because people have kids and want to know if it would be rude to bring them", literally just a cue as to the type of restaurant it is.

instead its automatically "they're trying to lure children into their rape locker!"

what fucking idiocy, pizzagate fails by every rational measure

I saw the Circle Jerks at an all-ages show in 1985. Can you believe the conspiracy goes back that far?!?!

"All ages venues" generally means "we let in people too young to drink.". I'd ask if these people have never gone to a club or been interested in music before the age of 21, but the answer is obvious.

I think we have much more than nothing.

The only thing you'd have would be comedy gold, if it weren't for the fact that this is hurting people.

They are calling for investigation, not a guilty sentence. In a nation where a cop says he sees you chewing while looking underage is enough to get your car searched... I think the minimum threshold of suspicion and evidence is present to justify an investigation.

So you're admitting this is nothing more than a witch hunt. Thanks for the honesty.

i've already read that Alefantis has had plenty of time to 'clean up' the dungeon and hide the evidence yadda yadda, which is why this shithead from NC didn't find anything when he busted into CPP and ordered everyone out

so now pizzagate fuck heads will contend that its too late and that all the evidence is gone, but they need to re-double their efforts to bring him to justice based on some instragram photos Alefantis comments on....or just ruin his life and livelihood, probably the latter

Do you think a criminal( that has at least average intelligence) would leave damnable evidence at his place of work?

no he would clearly plaster his public instagram with pictures of abducted children, but not before branding his business with overt pedophile symbolism

This isn't damnable evidence. Though it should arouse some suspicions at least. as for why he would do that (as you seemingly are asking), think of it like a game of "catch me of you can". They're essentially are taunts as I view them.......

there is no amount of evidence that would assuage one who thinks this is entertainment or fun, instead of a serious infringement on others' safety. you're all demented nihilists for whom the burden of proof moves with every assertion to the contrary. you're fucking lost.

I am demented for thinking its reasonable to come to a mess up conclusion after seeing some mess up shit, while you're sane and normal for looking up at some mess up shit and think its a joke. When have I moved the burden of proof? If anything it is you that need evidence for claiming all of this is a misunderstanding and its all fun & entertainment, besides saying its something one of your friends would've done. Oh please guide this lost lamb.......

This isn't hurting people, situations like the Franklin cover-up are actually hurting people. Situations like the Laura Silsby child-trafficking case are actually hurting people, yet people like you are willing to stick up for the James Alefantis' of the world....

Ping Pong in London probably sounds pretty fun to you too huh? Don't forget the date rape drug!

This isn't hurting people,

It's hurting the owners, employees, and customers of Comet.

It's hurting the owners, employees, and customers of Comet.

Maybe don't post disturbing pedo content on your Instagram page or associate with people like Bill Clinton who are brokering deals to release child traffickers. Or if you are an employee/customer of Comet, fucking quit/stop going there when you see they are posting date rape drugs on Instagram.

None of these accusations is based in fact.

Oh really?

What is all this then

What is all this then

What indeed? For starters:
1. Less of James Alefantis' life than the police have investigated.
2. A waste of your time.
3. A Rorschach test to see if you spend way too much time thinking about pedophilia.
4. State's evidence at Edgar Welch's upcoming trial.
5. Why we need to increase access to care for the mentally ill.
6. A stress-test for Poe's Law.
7. Not a reason to shoot up the man's business and terrorize his customers.

1. Not a reason to shoot up the man's business and terrorize his customers.

you mean the false flag?

Didn't wanna touch the Silsby case huh?

What about the Franklin cover up?

Anyone who can defend those Instagram posts is a sad excuse for a human being.

Hastert, Weiner, Pedo-esta. Plenty of fact-based evidence to go off. You aren't fooling anyone, keep sticking up for child-trafficking though. Good look on you!

you mean the false flag?

How'd you come to that conclusion?

Still don't want to touch Silsby or the Franklin cover up? I don't blame you.

Do we really need to get into the history of government false flag operations how much time do you got?

Do we really need to get into the history of government false flag operations

No, the incident you just claimed was one is fine.

Sure thing, right after you cover the Silsby child-trafficking case and the Franklin cover up.

Please refresh my memory. What am I supposed to believe about these again? What does it have to do with the campaign to harass Comet Ping Pong? What does it have to do with your supposition that the shooting at Comet was a "false flag"?

What do you mean believe? I just want you to address the facts of these two cases.

With Silsby we have Bill Clinton going out of his way to get convicted child-traffickers off the hook in Haiti. I heard that he has a connection or two to Alefantis and Podesta and Weiner and Epstein.

With the Franklin case we have a prominent example of how the ruling elite use pedophilia to control their lesser minions.

" This was the biggest pedophile scandal in the history of the U.S.A. The story received some newspaper coverage but there was a TV News Media blackout on the subject. For this reason, most Americans have never heard of it.

Former republican Senator John Decamp was involved in the production a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence" it was to air May 3, 1994 on the Discovery Channel. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired."

If anyone is interested in learning about pedophilia/child-trafficking and the government Laura Silsby and the Franklin Cover Up are a good place to start.

What do old human trafficking cases have to do with shooting up a pizza place?

Lol what does Bill Clinton getting child-traffickers off the hook have to do with pizzagate?

Next you're going to try and argue that child-trafficking and pedophilia aren't connected.

I'm not even trying to be cheeky anymore; I'm just trying to follow your line of, for lack of a better term, thought. Even if I conceded everything you and your 50-page article from Harvard Human Rights Review (tl;dr) said about Bill Clinton, that still doesn't prove anything as to Edgar Welch's reasons for shooting up Comet last weekend.

that still doesn't prove anything as to Edgar Welch's reasons for shooting up Comet last weekend.

It proves that a close Alefantis associate is tied to child-trafficking so interesting point.

I don't blame you for not touching the Franklin Cover Up though that gotta be a tough one for someone trying to stop the discussion.

It proves that a close Alefantis associate is tied to child-trafficking so interesting point.

What does that have to do with Edgar Welch?

shooting up Comet last weekend.

We are talking about Comet no?

Yes. You said the shooting was a "false flag". How do you know?

You really aren't very good at this.

Just be a good little peon and keeping spouting whatever BS is coming from CNN/NYT/Fox FakeNews.

Am I to take that to mean you can't prove it?

I can prove it to the same extent that you can prove it wasnt.

Well, there is the statement he made to police.

Was that link supposed to include the statement?

"A North Carolina man was arrested in Washington, D.C., Sunday after he walked into a popular pizza shop, carrying an assault rifle, intending to investigate an outlandish conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton during the presidential election."

And you are calling that proof it wasn't a false flag? That's cute. Israel thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship too right?

It's more proof than you've offered, for all your bloviating. Give me a reason I shouldn't take Welch at his word.

Even if that was directly from the guys mouth on video, which obviously it wasn't.

That still wouldn't be evidence it was legit. The articles being written about the event prior to it allegedly occurring is more convincing than that quote.

Even if that was directly from the guys mouth on video, which obviously it wasn't. That still wouldn't be evidence it was legit.

Of course it is. What it's not is ironclad, incontrovertible proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is, after all, a police statement on an arrest submitted to a wire service. Assuming he doesn't plead, we'll probably have to wait for his trial for more information as to his motives. But I've asked you for hours for any evidence that the shooting was a "false flag", of which you seem convinced, and you haven't provided a single piece of evidence relating to Edgar Welch. Why should I listen to you?

The articles being written about the event prior to it allegedly occurring is more convincing than that quote.

What are you talking about? The dateline is today, reporting on something that happened yesterday.

Whatever you say.

Hey fun question for you! Who is the statue in the profile picture for James Alefantis' Instagram account?

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a google search of his name shows he's an actor

That doesn't prove anything. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by an actor.

Show me the proof Mugatu wasn't behind this and maybe I'll believe you.

Sorry, I should have said he was assassinated by a model/actor.

But why male models?

You serious...? I just told you.

Haha Jesus Christ. You're getting pissed off from the amount of bullshit you are seeing on this planet? What in the actual fuck does that even mean?

Yep, I'm just a paid shill here to troll your brilliant ideas. Whatever it takes to insulate your fragile psyche from criticism.

The problem with talking to conspiracy theorists is that it ultimately doesn't matter to them whether it's remotely true or not, they're just happy that someone is paying them attention.

I would call you an idiot but I'm off the clock

I think you missed a good opportunity to say "wrong slice of history" instead.

Brilliant 😄😄

Well right off the bat you have a "phrase key" that was pretty much invented by Pizzagators. There's zero evidence that any of those words mean anything. In order to get past the very first part of that photo, I need to take the word of the people inventing this conspiracy that their list of "code words" is accurate without any way to verify it.

So at the second line of your "master evidence of Pizzagate" I'm already arriving at false, unverifiable information invented by those searching for a conspiracy. I continued, and found more fabricated information. there's a pic of someone affiliated with the resturant holding a kid with the hashtag "chicken lover," with the infographic claiming that's a word used by pedophiles. Googling the phrase I only find references to a restaurant. Gooling "Chicken Lovers" + pedophilia I only get articles about Pizzagate. Another fabricated pedophilia "code word" that the existence of this conspiracy relies on.

Don't you understand

Google is curating your search results to supress We The People from learning the Truth and dispensing Justice

Look at their logo

Primary colors

Where else are primary colors common?

That's right

Kindergarten

Where they reap their harvest

Can't tell if sarcastic... or serious.

He's really serious. SMH

I wonder how many graphic designers did 'pedophiles' logos by accident and how many stock image sites sell them.

Welcome to 2016.

there's a reason why Kindergarten is still in german

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No, there's an FBI document noting common pedophile symbols, and the pizza place logo loosely resembled one of the common patterns in that document.

Is this the same FBI that refuses to investigate this or Hillary?
Are they competent or incompetent?

What in gods fucking green earth does a random Hillary Clinton swipe have to do with this?

It's not random. She's at the heart of this. The same FBI that gave her a pass on the emails being cited also released all of the information on pedophiles that's being used.
Are they in on it or aren't they?
Are they competent enough to pull off this massive conspiracy or did they goof and put a pedo symbol on their big lit up storefront sign?
It doesn't make sense to cite the organization and then discredit it in the same conspiracy theory.

This circular logic is worse than a cat chasing its tail.
It's more like a cat bit its own nuts and got lockjaw.

The pizza and hot dogs from Chicago one kills me.

And really, for me, that really hurts the entire pizzagate argument.

Claiming that is pedophile speak when they're signature foods from Chicago, really illustrates how far they're reaching for "evidence".

You guys do know that "All Ages" when on a poster for a music show just means that people younger than 21 are welcome, don't you? The shows all start at 9pm, 10pm and such. Do you HONESTLY think they're encouraging young children to attend these shows?

Weird, freaky imagery on a rock-band's poster? Oh noes! Have you ever SEEN an album cover?

So we are going to start investigations based on random Internet rumors and word of mouth? McArthur trials 2.0 my friend.

It will never stop baffling me how much trouble understanding performance art gives you spirit cooking people.

Oh my god we've all seen this image. It's actual crazy talk. No hard proof at all just a bunch of 2spooky coincidences. Then when people show up with guns because of your hysterical posting, its all "but my free speech!". Well, here's free speech, just not consequence free speech.

Then when people show up with guns because of your hysterical posting, its all "but my free speech!".

Funny that people say this after an actor supposedly goes into a pizza parlor with a gun. No video evidence of that. No testimony other than police. In fact there's testimony to the contrary saying "there were no gunshots, and I was one of the last to leave the building".

Oh my god we've all seen this image.

You obviously can't think for yourself. Keep drinking the coolaid.

No hard proof at all just a bunch of 2spooky coincidences.

Yeah we're pushing for an actual investigation by police. That's how a warrant get's served, "2spooky coincidences" cause a judge to think it's a good idea to look into it.

No. Evidence and hard facts do. Not a web of noise.

Evidence and hard facts put people in jail. An investigation is how you get those.

You got a source on that no shots fired claim? Every news source I've found has said at least 1 shot was fired

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-dc-pizzeria-gunman-conspiracy-theory-20161204-story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pizzagate-clinton-conspiracy-theory-led-dc-shooting-article-1.2899371

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-With-Assault-Rifle-Arrested-at-Comet-Ping-Pong-in-NW-DC-404634716.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/05/504404675/man-fires-rifle-inside-d-c-pizzeria-cites-fictitious-conspiracy-theories

Hey man, i see from your post history youre busy looking at animated Japanese porno, but any chance you got that source I was asking for? You know, the one you claim to have seen that discredits every major news source covering the topic.

For the most part I've stopped talking to people because we're both talking to brick walls.

But you are the one drinking the coolaid. You are drinking the coolaid of 4chan. They lead you on this hilarious goose chase and you have fallen for it hard. I bet the creator of this nonsense is constantly pissing himself laughing. They are a master troll. Well done, 4chan.

Where it says "the code" on the left hand side, it's a shame that wasn't sourced. It was copy/pasted from one post on 4chan. When one single post on 4chan is the source you're afraid to cite that the entire "case" hinges upon, there is a problem, and that problem is your commitment to dishonesty.

I'm very much in favor of investigating the emails, but too many assumptions have been made along the way and this public "investigation" is compromised. Possibly by CTR, but also possibly just by dumb kids.

You know what, here's a quote from me:

I don't even know what to do with people anymore. Some people are so comfortable with their lives they don't want to break their delusion that something like this isn't possible. I'm getting sick of it. Here, let me take out some of the bits that have no reliable source. No cheese pizza, chicken lover, or anything else. No "code" bullcrap included. The case does not solely rely on bullcrap code. I would hope people could actually filter properly but I guess not. I have to hold everyone's hand.

• Why would a room like this be in a PIZZA PARLOR and have people comment #killroom, and to "just rinse it off when you're done".

• What kind of sick fuck takes a picture of a kid like this, whether she's actually restrained or not, and puts it on their instagram

• Why do they have so many children with a genetic disorder that only appears in .0001 percent of all children. Podesta also has this genetic disorder.

• Why do they have a pedophilia symbol on their parlor sign. Pedo symbol comes from an FBI memo Who then later changed it to this very quickly.

• These are posters for "all ages" events. Sex stains? Heavy Breathing? Acid Mothers Temple? All ages? Are you fucking kidding me?

• Boyfriends? Homosuperior? Underware with hearts? A demon head? Intestines or some shit? Some demon-killer-knife bitch? I don't even know what the fuck this is.

Does this fucking look family friendly to you?

• What's this? Another PEDO SYMBOL?. Guess who's on the website? Hillary.. Now, what kind of business does hillary own on the side? Oh that's right, she goes into 3rd world countries and "rescues" children. I wonder how close this is to comet ping pong.... it seems it's quite close indeed

• This is Tony Podesta.

• Here's a police render image of a sketch of a child kidnapper. You can't argue they don't look scarily similar.

• Where were those to on the date the kid was kidnapped. Oh wow! Look at that

Lets look at what kind of artwork tony likes.

• Here's one bit.

• Here's some more.

• Here's bill clinton in here too

• Another pedo symbol, this time on a organization specifically for young refugees. Marked plain as day is the symbol, boy lover.

• Here's 'Boy Lover' on a wall of an elpida project, along with writing "elpida love".

• Oh, and Laura got caught with child trafficking, as in kidnapping 33 children from Haiti, most had families. Guess who saved her? Hillary. Fucking Hillary again.

How can you look at all this evidence and shrug it off like it's nothing. It's disgusting.

It's all very fascinating but extremely disjointed and still not evidence of anything. Everything that you just mentioned I could pull an explanation out of my ass for, each one something other than "evidence of a massive pedophile conspiracy." But you know that, and you know that your assumption of the value of these items is exactly that: an assumption based on the conclusion that you want to see.

Like I said, the entire public "investigation" is compromised by people like you. Maybe you're working for someone and you're doing this to discredit the investigation from the inside, or maybe you're actually retarded enough to think that what you've just provided me is evidence of anything but confirmation bias.

Regardless of which is true, it's just ridiculous. It was a very important investigation and people like you fucked it up. Whether you were paid to or whether you're just so fucking stupid is beyond my knowledge, but I hope you're proud of yourself.

I support the theory and the investigation. I DO NOT support confirmation bias. I follow facts and convincing data. All of this data is random and not convincing to form a single large narrative. The fact that you think otherwise is confirmation bias in action. Please, for the love of god, pretend to be intelligent enough for a moment and perform a legitimate investigation instead of spreading so much misinformation that no legitimate investigation can be had in the public square.

It's not confirmation bias. You don't need to look for it to see how fucked up even just the pictures on jimmycomet's instagram are. Too many "coincidences".

And you know what? The concerted effort between the media, police, a perfectly timed shooty-mcshooterpants(An actor. Magically, 22 hours before hand, the street camera was turned off/away. How convenient.[A psyops]) is what convinced me that this investigation is legitimate. The very thing that actually convinced me there's something to this investigation is how much every single "official" news source is trying to debunk/discredit it. How the "Fake News" narrative was pushed immediately after google searches of pizza-gate went rocketing.

You're right, he's a sick guy and has a really fucked up instagram account. He has a really weird restaurant with stupid artwork. He's probably a really shitty person to be around too.

I know another guy that fits those descriptions. Oh shit, you think he's connected? My kid drew a picture of both him and the guy you're talking about and both of their heads were round. Looks similar. Smoking gun!

This is retarded. I support the investigation, I do not support people like you unwilling to question the incredible leaps made by extraordinary assumptions along the way. So much of this investigation is borderline kindergarten quality. I don't even know what I support anymore when I say "I support the investigation." All I seem to find are people like you involved in it now. The intelligent people seem to have jumped ship already.

Fuck the CTR shills for polluting the investigation with false information, and fuck the people who propagate their false information to discredit what was, originally, a very important investigation. I hope someone, somewhere, is investigating it all on their own from the beginning. Whoever is driving/funding this needs people like me to be downvoted so the child-like investigative "evidence summaries" can be promoted to the top, to frame us all as unintelligent. It's working, too. That's the conspiracy in front of us right now, and it's being drowned out.

Completely ignores the last 2/3rds of my comment stating why I believe we're onto something.

It's not just the coincidences that make me think we need a real investigation. Too much MSM opposition.

Why do you think a pizza shop shouldn't have a walk-in cooler?

Get help.

Thanks for the support.

There is zero fucking proof in that image.

There's maybe a loose connection of coincidences.

I'm sorry, I just have to evaluate what I see, and that just doesn't hold up.

Ehats the bit about children with genetic disorders? Ive been out of the loop for about a week

Wow, I'm convinced! That text was so emphatic about it. Pizzagate is a real thing everyone it's not the delusions of basement dwellers between Minecraft runs!

You're on the wrong side of history.

I feel sorry for you.

I'm sorry you're mentally impaired and can't determine that this is suspicious.

Leave it up to the professionals, kid. Don't turn out like Crazy McShootypants.

Crazy McShootyPants is an actor. Nobody even heard a gunshot at comet pizza. If there really was a "Crazy McShootyPants" who wasn't supposed to be there, the fucker would have been shot by police the second they saw him. He was arrested without incident. That doesn't happen.

The influx of ignorance and shills is perfectly timed with the false flag event. Cool.

"Help, I've fallen into an alternate reality and I can't get up."

The forces of the world will be increasingly aligned against you. The conspiracy will grow larger, and seem to encompass the entire world. And you will never question if, maybe, it's because you're wrong. Instead you will only find ever-more-intricate explanations that will keep you pulling out your hair until some poor, unstable sap kills people.

...and even then, you'll go to your grave ranting about false flags. Hopefully one day you'll pull yourself out of it.

It's almost as if people think nothing like this has happened before. Guess what sugarcup, corruption and pedophilia has been in basically every government ever. It's in our history. It's happened every time. It's like people can't believe their almighty leaders would do something like that.

Bad things have happened, thus my 4chan-citations are real.

Based on the gratuitous use of a semi-colon -- lawyership confirmed.

r/thathappened

r/heissosmart

Hey man, we have a slew of circumstantial evidence. That kept Zodiac hunters going for decades.

sure you are buddy we believe you.

Bull, again.

What's the phrase the left wing always uses? "It's the seriousness of the charge that demands investigation." Unless, of course, it is they who are under the microscope.

Um... I never said that.

If you like, I might venture a formula something like this: 'the seriousness of the charge' x 'the quality of the evidence'.

Surely you must see this? If someone turns round and says: 'Sean Hannity skins kittens alive and fries and eats their organs', nobody goes around to arrest Sean Hannity. They say 'What makes you say that?', and then you say: 'There's this email in which he says that's what he does', and if they police investigator reads the email and you've misunderstood, then there is no further investigation.

A British lawyer, litigator don't come in here and act all high and mighty about Americans rights to question and discuss concerning images and strange strange coincidences when you aren't barred or legally able to tell people that you can help them with American law. Take your European "I'm still pissed about Brexit" attitude and insult people someplace else you bully. What happened today won't be helped or solved with someone like you attacking and stereotyping everyone in this sub that works very hard to think outside of the box and attempt to explain very difficult questions. Can you explain why George Soros donated to this pizza place? Can you explain the pedophilia symbols in the former Bestas pizza logo? No you can't, but somehow people finding connections, relationships, and other evidence are retarded morons while you, clearly the superior, are smart enough to stick your head in the sand while yelling as loud as you can. No immediate threats or violence should happen to anyone who is under question because all Americans are entitled to a trial but acting like ALL the evidence is garbage and telling people that you're an attorney who knows the laws applicable to this case is not only illegal but downright bigoted.

I'm sticking my head in the sand? What makes you say that? I'm here debating the issue aren't I?

Also, I didn't make any remark about 'everyone in this sub'. I didn't even talk about everyone in this thread. My remarks are to those people who posture and aggrandize themselves as 'defenders of little children' while burbling on about inconsequential particulars and grabbing this fact from that continent and that fact from this continent and then amazing themselves with the wonderfulness of their creation - in the meantime making the most utmost serious allegations against people merely because they don't like them.

It isn't just a question of being entitled to a trial; the allegations against Hillary Clinton are partly involved in handing the Presidency to the Ghastly Gurner, one of the most godawful twats in politics. And yet these allegations are either untrue outright or hugely inflated. Saying things over and over without properly checking your sources is damaging, and those of us who understand these things better - sorry, but there it is, some people are better at baseball, some people are better at thinking - have every right to call BULLSHIT when we see it happening.

The law of evidence in the UK (technically, England & Wales) is not the same as the law of evidence in the US. But most of the principles are the same. You cannot throw a couple of hundred grains of sand on the floor and exclaim that you have a beach.

And.. uh.. Monica Peterson. How convenient that you forgot about her.

So despite several arrests and charges over the years being laid on dozens of employees of the US Government you don't think that there is potential that there are more people involved?

I have no idea what connection you are trying to make.

It can't be 'some people somewhere have been arrested and they were employees of the US government therefore pizzagate', because that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

YOU HAVE NOTHING.

Well that's a bit of a leap. Nothing? Like nothing at all?

1.) Billy boy Clinton, he has his paws all over Comet Ping Pong, he's also flying to Haiti to broker deals for the release of convicted child traffickers. He's also flying around with convicted pedophile Epstein, and is obviously tied to Huma Abedin's pedophile husband Weiner. And he also has numerous accusers of rape and child abuse.

2.) We have James Alefantis' disturbing instagram account, nothing needs to be said here. Any parent can see how horrifying it is. Anyone can make the conclusion that there are subliminal messages in his post.

3.) John Pedo-esta, long known to have a taste for the young ones evident in his art and emails about pizza that make 0 sense in context, but complete sense when applying the Wikileaks confirmed pedophile code uncovered by the FBI.

4.) The Rao character being connected to the disgusting Alefantis Instagram while at the same time prosecuting child sex abuse crimes.

5.) The Franklin cover-up, shows that pedophilia is a tool used by the ruling elite on both sides of the political spectrum for blackmail purposes against their lesser minion politicians.

6.) Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House, admitted child molester gets 15 fucking months. Hastert, Pedo-esta, Weiner, Epstein, Laura Silsby, Brownstone....Yeah alright we have nothing. Now you're gonna tell me Podesta forgot his handy map of the local pizza restaurants behind that's all!

None of that is evidence.

It's assertions based on your conclusions arising from a hopeless over-dramatising of unconnected and insignificant trivialities.

None of that is evidence.

lol we are talking about facts here my delusional friend.

Fact #1. Laura Silsby and company were lying to parents in Haiti that they were taking their children someplace inside the country where they would be able to see them again, but instead trying to illegally smuggle them out of the country never to be seen by their real families again. They were convicted of child-trafficking by Haitian authorities and were represented by a lawyer with known ties to child-trafficking. These children weren't even Orphans...

Fact #2. Billy boy Clinton flew to Haiti in the flesh to broker a deal to get these subhumans off the hook for their crime.

Fact #3. Billy boy Clinton and his succubus "wife" are known associates of James Alefantis as evident in the Instagram posts and Wikileaks emails. Having had multiple events at the restaraunt.

Fact #4. That Instagram content is completely disgusting and has multiple subliminal messages referencing pedophilia. Art on the walls is horrifying as well.

Fact #5. Franklin Cover up proves the use of pedophilia by the ruling elite to control their lesser pawns is a tactic employed by these depraved individuals.

Fact #6. Billy boy Clinton, close pal of Alefantis, also flies around in jets with CONVICTED pedophiles.

Fact #7. Anthony Weiner, with a taste for young girls, is also a part of this circle of corruption.

hopeless over-dramatising of unconnected

Yes, sure I am over-dramatizing child-trafficking. Seriously how anyone could defend this type of shit is quite concerning.

succubus "wife"

This is why you can't ask people to engage with you seriously. Every word that drips from your pen (figuratively speaking) labels you as deluded and obsessive.

Because I accurately describe Hillary as a non-human it negates all of those FACTS?

You are defending child-traffickers. You are on the wrong side of history here.

Because I accurately describe Hillary as a non-human it negates all of those FACTS?

Are you all retarded?

What it does, is persuade me that I don't need to consider your posts in any detail.

Not even going to try and address the facts just stick to the personal insults that's really contributing to the discussion.

I know the facts. (At least, most of them. Every day some email is discovered with a single word in it which gets plugged in to the meshwork of foolishness.)

But they aren't what you think are the facts, and they don't point to a conspiracy.

You don't. If you did you would be aware that you are currently defending convicted child-traffickers.

Good look on you!

Some of this 'child trafficking' was about removing children from Haiti to what was thought to be a better life in the US after the earthquake.

I don't approve of it.

The rest of it may have been an attempt to get children without consequences to sell for adoption, or even just to provide them to childless couples thought to be 'more deserving' than the plantation niggers in Haiti.

It's horrible enough; but it's not kidnapping children to abuse them.

It's horrible enough; but it's not kidnapping children to abuse them.

Interesting argument, lying to a family about taking their child to safety within that country then illegally smuggling them out of the country isn't kidnapping? That's exactly what it is.

If this scenario were actually as you describe it they would have went through all the necessary legal channels.

The rest of it may have been an attempt to get children without consequences to sell for adoption, or even just to provide them to childless couples thought to be 'more deserving' than the plantation niggers in Haiti.

...... just speechless on this one.

It's horrible enough; but it's not kidnapping children to abuse them.

Perhaps you need to educate yourself some more.

It's horrible enough; but it's not kidnapping children to abuse them.

Interesting argument, lying to a family about taking their child to safety within that country then illegally smuggling them out of the country isn't kidnapping?

This is one of the reasons reasonable people get fed up talking to you dummies.

I have highlighted the noun phrase which - apparently - baffled you completely when I first wrote it.

If this scenario were actually as you describe it they would have went through all the necessary legal channels.

OMG. I wrote simple plain English and it went over your head like a 747 flies over an idiot.

It's because they didn't go through the legal channels that what they did was wrong. They didn't go through the legal channels because then they would have been stopped.

If you think there aren't still white American people around who think the worst possible fate for a piccaninny child is to be brought up by non-American black people, you aren't paying attention. And my use of offensive language labels is ironic, intended to convey their twisted way of thinking.

If I'd realised you were an idiot I wouldn't have done it.

I don't need to educate myself. What happened elsewhere to other people at other times is not relevant to whether pizzagate has any traction on reality.

but it's not kidnapping children to abuse them.

That is an assumption not a fact.

If I'd realised you were an idiot I wouldn't have done it.

Yes your insults are really helping your sad argument in favor of the pedophiles.

What happened elsewhere to other people at other times is not relevant to whether pizzagate has any traction on reality.

Of course, child-trafficking has nothing to do with pedophilia right? Not even when there is a common thread between the Laura Silsby case and Comet Ping Pong in the form of the 42nd President of the United States.

Here's a fun question for you. Who is the statue in James Alefantis Instagram profile picture of?

That is an assumption not a fact.

It's not an assumption, it's a conclusion. And for someone who believes in the pizzagate nonsense to write such a sentence is an astonishing piece of irony. LOL.

Yes your insults are really helping your sad argument in favor of the pedophiles.

1. You're accusing people of heinous crimes, including child abuse and murder, but it's unacceptable for me to call you an idiot? ROFL.

2. I'm not in favour of the paedophiles; I'm against toxic, vicious conspiracy theories and baseless accusations.

Of course, child-trafficking has nothing to do with pedophilia right?

Not necessarily, and most of it - no.

Not even when there is a common thread between the Laura Silsby case and Comet Ping Pong in the form of the 42nd President of the United States.

That's it, for you people. You remember '6 degrees of Bacon'? One person linking two other persons isn't evidence of anything. This is why rational people discount everything else you say.

Who is the statue in James Alefantis Instagram profile picture of?

No idea. Have you asked the artist?

You're accusing people of heinous crimes, including child abuse and murder, but it's unacceptable for me to call you an idiot? ROFL.

This is a board for discussion not insults. Your personal insults serve to weaken your argument, not that it was particularly strong to begin with. I accused convicted pedophiles and child-traffickers of crimes and I am saying that the people posting disturbing Instagram content and sending disturbing emails should be investigated.

Not necessarily, and most of it - no.

Really? There are mountains of evidence to contradict your argument here.

No idea. Have you asked the artist?

It's Antinous...Now he couldn't possibly be related to pedophilia too could he?

"I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?"

LOL how many hot dogs/pizza can one acquire for 65 g's?

There are mountains of evidence to contradict your argument here.

Mountains? Hah. There isn't enough evidence to make a lump under a carpet. Your problem is that you don't know the difference between evidence and inconsequential.

That child-trafficking and pedophilia are connected? There's plenty of evidence.

Hey how many pizzas can one acquire with $65,000 anyways. And whats your personal theory as to why Alefantis chose a statue of Antinous for his profile picture?

I'm not responding to your questions.

I'll give you an example. A while ago there was a 'meme' about Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations. E.g. Lincoln's killer fired in a theatre and his was arrested in a warehouse; Kennedy's killer fired from a warehouse and was arrested in a theatre.

This is the same level as your evidence. Insubstantial, trivial, fanciful, inconsequential. It deserves nothing but scorn.

And for you and others to make the absolutely horrible allegations and accusations that you do against ordinary people like a guy who runs a pizza parlour, and against public servants like the ex-Secretary of State, on such flimsy bullshit is inexcusable.

You should all shut up and give your fucking fingers a rest.

against ordinary people like a guy who runs a pizza parlour.

And is an Antinous enthusiast! Don't forget his affinity for Antinous and date rape drugs!

and against public servants like the ex-Secretary of State

Lol I gotta thank you for this one. This is literally the funniest/most absurd thing I have ever read.

I'm not responding to your questions.

Just to clarify for anyone who might be reading this is the question he didn't want to answer was what his personal theory on why Alefantis would choose one of the most prominent examples for the legitimacy of child love in human history.

Can't blame him can you?

The reason I don't answer your questions is because they are facile. That goes for all of them.

Seeing through your bs is facile.

I think more likely you don't have a good explanation for why the scumbag you are trying to defend would choose Antinous for his profile picture.

That's not what facile means. I guess you had to look it up...

If so, you misunderstood the definition.

Don't match wits with me; I can outwit you with my wits tied behind my back.

I'm not defending anyone, I keep saying that.

I'm attacking you and others like you for attacking people against whom you have no evidence.

However, I've been doing this a while now; I've made my point and made my stand.

I don't kid myself that I can stop you single-handed. Someone else will have to carry the baton.

I'm away to deal with normal people again, people who don't have minds twisted by delusion.

I'm away to deal with normal people again, people who don't have minds twisted by delusion.

Ah yes, like the normal guy with Antinous as his profile picture. You guys aren't fooling anyone

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5gqoqa/rconspiracy_has_been_infiltrated_by_shills_to_an/

Hot dogs and pizza?

WTF? Did you miss the part about the flying? What do you suppose a private jet goes for these days? You know, round trip, Chicago to Washington and back?

Nobody cares whether you think people who have sent emails you personally find disturbing and Instagram posts you personally find disturbing should be 'investigated'.

Like all the others, you have no idea what constitutes actual evidence, as opposed to lame details stitched together with artificial conviction and conjecture.

If you had evidence, the relevant people would act on it. The fact that the relevant people aren't acting on it isn't evidence - there's that word again of conspiracy, it's evidence of your lack of evidence.

WTF? Did you miss the part about the flying? What do you suppose a private jet goes for these days? You know, round trip, Chicago to Washington and back?

My father is a relatively wealthy business owner, I actually know a thing or two about private jets and their charter prices. Round trip Washington-Chicago you are looking at around $20,000-30,000. So how many pizzas/hot dogs can you acquire with the rest of the funds? And why would anyone want to eat a pizza that had been sitting on a plane for that long?

Nobody cares whether you think people who have sent emails you personally find disturbing and Instagram posts you personally find disturbing should be 'investigated'.

It's not just me, thousands of people in particular parents are horrified by this content. Dude has a profile picture of Antinous for fuck sake takes a special kind of fucked up person to do so.

If you had evidence, the relevant people would act on it. The fact that the relevant people aren't acting on it isn't evidence - there's that word again of conspiracy, it's evidence of your lack of evidence.

Franklin Cover Up proves this to be complete garbage.

thousands of people in particular parents are horrified by this content

Source, dumbass.

A subreddit isn't thousands of people.

How many people were subscribed to just r/pizzagate before it got shut down again?

So how many pizzas/hot dogs can you acquire with the rest of the funds? I have been to the White House, party couldn't have had that many people.

It was 25,000 subs before it got canned. Those 25,000 subs consisted of thousands of people.

You aren't fooling anyone that Instagram page horrified every single parent I showed it to before even making them aware of who Antinous is or what he stands for.

Here's a fun theoretical for anyone who happens to be reading.

Lets say Alefantis is trying to get a job as a teacher, should be pretty easy for someone of his stature no? Well then the school gets to take a look at his instagram account. Any chance he gets the job?

I believe you're lying.

Either that or you live in a community of half wits.

Normal people see pictures of that type and they know nothing untoward is going on.

It's your sick minds that sexualise a picture which has no sexual content.

It's your sick minds that sexualise a picture which has no sexual content.

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https://i.sli.mg/K32P4R.png

https://i.sli.mg/W3FMhT.png

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You were saying?

Are you gonna try and tell me Alefantis could get a teaching gig with an Instagram like that?

Those are intentionally sexual, and pretty funny. It's a hipster pizza place...

It's your sick minds that sexualise a picture which has no sexual content.

But I thought it was my sick mind that sexualized the picture?

intentionally sexual, and pretty funny. It's a hipster pizza place...

Where is the humor here again? Is this not supposed to be a family friendly restaurant?

But I thought it was my sick mind that sexualized the picture?

He was obviously talking about the non-sexual photos of the kids, not the penis art you just posted...

Where is the humor here again? Is this not supposed to be a family friendly restaurant?

These are pieces of art posted by what is apparently a transvestite band leader, with the location listed at comet, where they do music shows. Look at the accounts listed in his description, it's all photos of transvestites.

A guy who leads a shocking band uses shocking imagery to promote his shows at a venue that does shows after-hours.

And?

A guy who leads a shocking band uses shocking imagery to promote his shows at a venue that does shows after-hours.

All ages appropriate ey?

Sorry you've never been to a concert- all ages means shows that aren't 21+. Any show that allows people under 21 will call itself "all ages."

Here are a zillion examples, dumbass.

Any show that allows people under 21 will call itself "all ages."

I am well aware of that. Hence why I pointed out that this disturbing content is not appropriate for say a 15 year old?

You do realize your personal insults only serve to weaken your argument right?

I am well aware of that. Hence why I pointed out that this disturbing content is not appropriate for say a 15 year old?

My parents thought most of the music I liked and the imagery related to it was inappropriate, but I still liked it, I still figured out ways to go, and the shows were still full of other teenagers. Teenage rebellion usually goes hand-in-hand with inappropriate musical artists...

You do realize your personal insults only serve to weaken your argument right?

I'll take my chances.

Teenage rebellion usually goes hand-in-hand with inappropriate musical artists...

So you are going to argue that content like that is suitable for teenagers?

You would be defending someone with Antinous as their profile picture.

So you are going to argue that content like that is suitable for teenagers?

Yeah, I could have handled that at 15. I would have woken up the next day. I don't think it's great art, but I could see 2edgy teenagers thinking it was cool.

I remember I was 15-16 when my folks showed me Pulp Fiction, which features a gay anal rape scene. Art can be shocking and have merit, or be popular with teenagers. Are you a hermit or something?

You would be defending someone with Antinous as their profile picture.

He's a symbol of homosexuality... on the profile photo of a famous gay restauranteur. From Wikipedia:

Antinous became associated with homosexuality in Western culture, appearing in the work of Oscar Wilde and Fernando Pessoa.

Homosexuality, not pedophilia...

Homosexuality, not pedophilia...

LOL he's Hadrians child lover from a culture that accepted pederasty please tell me more about how he isn't a symbol of pedophilia.

That shit isn't appropriate for all ages. Go to a school and see how many parents agree with you on that one.

OL he's Hadrians child lover please tell me more about how he isn't a symbol of pedophilia.

That's how homosexual relationships worked back then, jesus christ. If you cared at all to actually learn about him, he's been an icon of homosexuality for like 200 years. He was a fucking teenager anyways, and your stupid conspiracy is focused around children. You are grasping so desperately at straws.

I see you've given up trying to associate a shocking music artist's personal instagram account with evidence of a world-wide pedo ring- are you willing to admit that entire line of "evidence" is nonsense?

^{Of course not...}

That's how homosexual relationships worked back then, jesus christ. If you cared at all to actually learn about him, he's been an icon of homosexuality for like 200 years.

Let the record show that fucking kids is just how relationships worked back then and Alefantis and his family friendly restaurant using Antinous is perfectly normal.

I see you've given up trying to associate a shocking music artist's personal instagram account with evidence of a world-wide pedo ring

The associations are already there for everyone to see.

You should start an Antinous fan club!

Let the record show that fucking kids is just how relationships worked back then

Yes, that's what I just said, that is a fact.

Alefantis and his family friendly restaurant using Antinous is perfectly normal.

Is he used in promotional materials for the restaurant? Or are we talking about a gay private citizen using a famous icon of homosexuality in an internet profile?

The associations are already there for everyone to see.

You didn't prove any association, dummy. You understand I could post anything on instagram and tag your house on that post? Does that mean you're complicit in what I post?

Or are we talking about a gay private citizen using a famous icon of homosexuality in an internet profile?

A famous icon for homosexual pedophilia. FTFY.

Except it's not used as an icon of pedophilia, only homosexuality. Maybe because he wasn't a child?

Maybe because he wasn't a child?

This is from Wikipedia:

For centuries, pederasty had long been socially acceptable among Greece's leisured and citizen classes, with an older erastes (aged between 20 and 40) undertaking a caring sexual relationship with an eromenos (aged between 12 and 18) and taking a key role in their education;[20] and Hadrian took Antinous as a favoured servant when they were aged about 48 and 13. Such a societal institution of pederasty was not indigenous to Roman culture, although bisexuality was the norm in the upper echelons of Roman society by the early 2nd century.[21]

You were saying?

(aged between 12 and 18)

Right, but this conspiracy is about pedos, which is attraction to younger kids than that... You know this, you're just trying your best to bend the facts to fit your narrative.

about 48 and 13

Lol you were saying?

Okay you convinced me- it's a massive pedo conspiracy, that's the only logical alternative. Thank you for enlightening me.

No no you are right. Total coincidence he's posting young children that aren't his, date rape drugs, moloch, Lolita AND has a figure famous for child love as his profile.

Let alone Podesta and his pool entertainment and all the Clinton shit.

You guys really aren't fooling anyone you know that right?

It's not a famous figure for child love, no matter how many times you repeat your lie. I don't believe any of your other unsourced claims. I'm sure they'll be as flimsy as your shocking "all ages" music poster, that was a winner.

Yikes. You do think content like that is appropriate for all ages?

It's not a famous figure for child love, no matter how many times you repeat your lie

You are almost right here, he is a famous figure for homosexual child love. Even his Wikipedia page says as much.

Maybe you think an 11, 9 and almost 7 year old in the pool is "entertainment" also?

It's no more shocking content than going to a GWAR show which I did as a teenager.

It's a homosexual icon, no matter how much you wish it could have been used as a pedophilic icon. Despite the historical character's age (teenager, not child, much bigger distinction in that time) he is used historically as a reference to homosexuality, not pedophilia... probably because he's not pre pubescent, since that is what this whole conspiracy is about.

The kids in the pool comment makes perfect sense in context. People think kids are fun- seriously read that whole section. It's people arranging a play date, it takes some serious mental gymnastics to turn it into "Hillary's pedo ring."

Anyways, at the end of the day you are flat out wrong.

The kids in the pool comment makes perfect sense in context. People think kids are fun- seriously read that whole section. It's people arranging a play date, it takes some serious mental gymnastics to turn it into "Hillary's pedo ring."

That's terrifying that anyone can come to the conclusion that young children being identified as entertainment is perfectly normal.

It's no more shocking content than going to a GWAR show which I did as a teenager.

For the record: This is what u/lobf finds appropriate for an all ages show

https://i.sli.mg/vgE9MI.jpg

Also Antinous is a homosexual pedophilia icon. What do we call 48 year olds who sleep with 13 year olds again?

Teenagers can handle penis imagery, dork.

I'm glad you're admitting that you have nothing but a hostile interpretation of a play date to support the facts. Sounds perfectly innocuous in context.

And again, keep using the historical context that the homosexual icon lived in to misinterpret the facts. I bet Romeo and Juliet is pedo porn too?

Teenagers can handle penis imagery, dork.

So you are arguing that penis and ejaculation imagery is appropriate for all ages. OK sure.

I'm glad you're admitting that you have nothing but a hostile interpretation of a play date to support the facts. Sounds perfectly innocuous in context.

"we plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be uber service to transport Ruby, Emerson and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you'll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

They are being identified as entertainment for an adult. Horrifying,

And again, keep using the historical context that the homosexual icon lived in to misinterpret the facts. I bet Romeo and Juliet is pedo porn too?

Again what do we call 48 year olds who sleep with 13 year olds now? Sure it was acceptable in ancient Greece, Alefantis must long for such a time. Was Romeo 48 and Juliet 13?

So you are arguing that penis and ejaculation imagery is appropriate for all ages. OK sure.

For an all-ages show, it's not a deal breaker. You're trying to manipulate the language on a concert poster to mean something else. Let's just remember that this is a musician with a shocking homosexual schtick, not a member or in any way related to comet pizza. He's putting on a show that doesn't serve alcohol (thus all-ages) and promoting it on his own time with a penis image. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhocking.

They are being identified as entertainment for an adult. Horrifying,

Ha. Either she thinks her kids are fun, or it's a tongue-in-cheek way of saying that these kids are a handful, so have fun corralling them. Only a sick mind would take such a thing to mean "worldwide pedo ring confirmed."

Like, they talked about heating up the pool for the kids to swim in.

Again what do we call 48 year olds who sleep with 13 year olds now?

Nowadays they would be a criminal. Unfortunately, history doesn't fit neatly into the way we model society now, so some of the only homosexual love stories are in the Roman-style context. It's happenstance- if you actually bothered to look into what he has historically represented, it is homosexuality only.

Was Romeo 48 and Juliet 13?

No, they were both 13, which would be a scandalous, disgusting story today. But we ignore that, because in the historical context it wasn't icky, and we instead focus on what makes it an interesting, moving tale. Like Antinous.

if you actually bothered to look into what he has historically represented, it is homosexuality only.

Keep telling yourself that Hadrian's child lover has nothing to do with Pederastry.

For an all-ages show, it's not a deal breaker.

Yes because why wouldn't content like that be appropriate for young children?

Ha. Either she thinks her kids are fun, or it's a tongue-in-cheek way of saying that these kids are a handful, so have fun corralling them. Only a sick mind would take such a thing to mean "worldwide pedo ring confirmed."

Ha, so you think this is normal ey

Keep telling yourself that Hadrian's child lover has nothing to do with Pederastry.

Keep manipulating the historical context for the story to make this a symbol of something that it's not.

Convenient you ignore my Romeo & Juliet analogy, why don't you focus on the freaks putting on productions of this child sex tale?

Yes because why wouldn't content like that be appropriate for young children?

Sorry nobody has ever invited you to a concert. Once again, all ages just means <21 years old. I used to go to punk shows at the Phoenix Theatre every weekend for all-ages shows. You would find kids as young as 14-15 to see bands like Nekromantix (necrophilia / murder / rape themes) or Anal Cunt.

All ages just means no alcohol. It doesn't mean they're inviting 6 year olds to the show. Once again, google "all ages music posters" and tell me that Nirvana is really looking to reach the small child demographic.

Ha, so you think this is normal ey

A blog about a baby? Yeah, looks perfectly normal to me, why don't you tell me what the problem is?

Let me remind you that you're trying to connect Antinous with sexualization of infants, which is an entirely different fetish, but don't let the facts get in your way.

Keep manipulating the historical context for the story to make this a symbol of something that it's not.

One only needs to look at Antinous' wikipedia page to see that he goes hand in hand with pederasty.

Convenient you ignore my Romeo & Juliet analogy, why don't you focus on the freaks putting on productions of this child sex tale?

I'm sorry you actually think that two 13 year olds having sex is even close to being on the same level as a 48 and a 13 year old, but it's not.

Sorry nobody has ever invited you to a concert. Once again, all ages just means <21 years old. I used to go to punk shows at the Phoenix Theatre every weekend for all-ages shows. You would find kids as young as 14-15 to see bands like Nekromantix (necrophilia / murder / rape themes) or Anal Cunt.

Lol yeah I have never been to a concert before. You are arguing that penis' ejaculating is content that is appropriate for all ages. It isn't.

All ages just means no alcohol. It doesn't mean they're inviting 6 year olds to the show. Once again, google "all ages music posters" and tell me that Nirvana is really looking to reach the small child demographic.

All ages means literally any age is welcome. You have admitted that as well.

A blog about a baby? Yeah, looks perfectly normal to me, why don't you tell me what the problem is?

A blog about a baby?

For reference this is what u/lobf is trying to pass off as normal

"Evelyn is growing up, soon she will be the Queen of the entire US of A, right now, for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now,"

yeah totally normal blog here.

Let me remind you that you're trying to connect Antinous with sexualization of infants, which is an entirely different fetish, but don't let the facts get in your way.

Connecting Antinous with the sexualization of children. You want to say that a 48 year old sleeping with a 13 year old is that much different than a 48 year old sleeping with a child even younger well not sure how many people you are going to find that agree with that fucked up logic. The kids in the Alefantis Instagram posts aren't even infants so you are especially reaching here.

One only needs to look at Antinous' wikipedia page to see that he goes hand in hand with pederasty.

Like the cultural references part, where pederasty isn't mentioned once? Or are you referring to the section where it reminds you that pederasty was socially acceptable in that era?

I'm sorry you actually think that two 13 year olds having sex is even close to being on the same level as a 48 and a 13 year old, but it's not

Let the record shot that Harambe_Remembers has no problem with 13 year olds having sex, or in public recreations of such deviancy.

Lol yeah I have never been to a concert before. You are arguing that penis' ejaculating is content that is appropriate for all ages. It isn't.

You say this like it's objective, but it's not. Regardless, this is a shocking artist called Homo Riot or whatever putting on a show that doesn't serve alcohol. That's all. It doesn't mean that comet pizza gave small children prints of that guy's instagram page. We both know this, but you're choosing to ignore things that don't fit into your narrative.

What's your address, so I can tag your house on instagram and implicate you in the global lizard conspiracy?

"Evelyn is growing up, soon she will be the Queen of the entire US of A, right now, for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now,"

I hear parents call their children princesses, kings, queens all the time. It's a blog with raw, unedited video of her doing things like playing with her new toy. It's barely curated, this description sounds absolutely fine to me. There is nothing there that would convince a normal person that it's evidence that Hillary Clinton runs a pedo ring.

Connecting Antinous with the sexualization of children.

Not all sexualizations of children are equal, as your refusal to acknowledge Romeo and Juliet proves. Antinous is a romantic homosexual story, loved by loads of homosexuals who aren't pedo / ephebophiles. That's just how homosexual relationships worked back then.

I'll just remind you that the age of consent in a lot of places is still 14, so not everyone shares our perception of sexual maturity. And it's STILL mutually exclusive with pedophilia, which is the sexualization of pre-pubescent children.

You want to say that a 48 year old sleeping with a 13 year old is that much different than a 48 year old sleeping with a child even younger well not sure how many people you are going to find that agree with that fucked up logic.

Well, it's objectively a different sexual fetish, there is no room for interpretation there. Hadrian wasn't a pedophile, which the Romans recognized, he was having what was at the time a normal relationship. Sorry it's so icky for you, history is icky. We look past the context to find themes we can relate to in present day.

The kids in the Alefantis Instagram posts aren't even infants so you are especially reaching here.

So then why are they evidence of a pedo ring?

Like the cultural references part, where pederasty isn't mentioned once? Or are you referring to the section where it reminds you that pederasty was socially acceptable in that era?

Pederasty yes, like in the case of Antinous and Hadrian.

Let the record shot that Harambe_Remembers has no problem with 13 year olds having sex, or in public recreations of such deviancy.

I don't have a problem with two 13 year olds having intercourse no I was 14 when I lost my virginity and there are no issues with this. If I was 14 and lost my virginity to a 48 year old though?

It doesn't mean that comet pizza gave small children prints of that guy's instagram page. We both know this, but you're choosing to ignore things that don't fit into your narrative.

I never claimed that comet was distributing this to children. My point is that a family-friendly restaurant should never allow such performances, much less label them as all ages.

I hear parents call their children princesses, kings, queens all the time. It's a blog with raw, unedited video of her doing things like playing with her new toy. It's barely curated, this description sounds absolutely fine to me. There is nothing there that would convince a normal person that it's evidence that Hillary Clinton runs a pedo ring.

Really? You are going to argue that raw, uncut footage of someone else's young child being offered for a price to paying strangers is normal? How many parents could you find to support that argument? I won't hold my breath. Also no one is accusing Hillary as being the leader you are just throwing that out there randomly.

Not all sexualizations of children are equal, as your refusal to acknowledge Romeo and Juliet proves. Antinous is a romantic homosexual story, loved by loads of homosexuals who aren't pedo / ephebophiles. That's just how homosexual relationships worked back then.

Right homosexual-pedophilia was just how it worked back then. James Alefantis using him as his profile picture indicates he longs for those times to come back as well.

So then why are they evidence of a pedo ring?

Because pedophilia is sexual feelings for children there is no age specification. 13 year olds are children, Antinous represents pederasty no matter how you try and spin it.

Pederasty isn't just icky to me, it's icky to nearly everyone in today's society. Your comfort level with it speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

I don't have a problem with two 13 year olds having intercourse

Just want to save this one.

Regardless, you have no problem with the public recreation of 13 year olds fucking each other and dying. That's because, again, we ignore the historical context in favor of finding themes we can relate to.

Unfortunately the passionate story of love between these two kids wouldn't have been the same if it was about two adults from the era. The historical context dictated the setting, but not the themes we appreciate about the play. That's why this is ridiculous- nobody considers R&J a disgusting sexualization of children, just like nobody considers Antinous a symbol of pederasty.

I never claimed that comet was distributing this to children. My point is that a family-friendly restaurant should never allow such performances, much less label them as all ages.

So you just don't like the bands they allow to play there. Then how are you using that as evidence that comet is doing anything at all? They are not associated with the restaurant, certainly a band member's personal artwork is indicative of nothing other than their preference in art / promotional material for their band.

Really? You are going to argue that raw, uncut footage of someone else's young child being offered for a price to paying strangers is normal?

It's free, and yeah, there are loads of blogs / youtube pages / instagram accounts that are just dedicated to documenting the growth of children. You are willfully ignoring this fact.

Also, it's free, not for a price, you also know that but choose to ignore that fact.

Also no one is accusing Hillary as being the leader you are just throwing that out there randomly.

She's absolutely been implicated in this conspiracy.

Right homosexual-pedophilia was just how it worked back then. James Alefantis using him as his profile picture indicates he longs for those times to come back as well.

Or he's using the reference in the same way that everyone else does- as a symbol of homosexuality, ignoring the (now) icky historical fact that that was usually between men and younger men.

Because pedophilia is sexual feelings for children there is no age specification.

Well, you're objectively wrong. There is no wiggle room- You. Are. Wrong.

Antinous represents pederasty no matter how you try and spin it.

Not pedophilia, no matter how you try and spin it.

Pederasty isn't just icky to me, it's icky to nearly everyone in today's society.

Agreed, including me.

Your comfort level with it speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

I'm a history buff, I read / listen to material on classical antiquity constantly (taking a break to read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich right now) so I'm long desensitized the the facts about homosexuality in antiquity. You're ignorant so it's still shocking.

Unfortunately the passionate story of love between these two kids wouldn't have been the same if it was about two adults from the era. The historical context dictated the setting, but not the themes we appreciate about the play. That's why this is ridiculous- nobody considers R&J a disgusting sexualization of children, just like nobody considers Antinous a symbol of pederasty.

Lol this is just insane as far as reaches go, no one care about R&J because there is hardly anything shocking about two teenagers falling in love.

People consider Antinous a symbol of pederasty because he was a child who had a sexual relationship with an adult. Regardless of the how people of that time period felt about pederasty it is still a man-child love affair that you are trying to say has nothing to do with pederasty. No logic at all.

So you just don't like the bands they allow to play there. Then how are you using that as evidence that comet is doing anything at all? They are not associated with the restaurant, certainly a band member's personal artwork is indicative of nothing other than their preference in art / promotional material for their band.

Keep telling yourself that penis' ejaculating pizza is appropriate content for children.

It's free, and yeah, there are loads of blogs / youtube pages / instagram accounts that are just dedicated to documenting the growth of children. You are willfully ignoring this fact. Also, it's free, not for a price, you also know that but choose to ignore that fact.

Oh sorry the free raw, uncut footage for strangers is normal to you? Disgusting.

Well, you're objectively wrong. There is no wiggle room- You. Are. Wrong

I am not wrong look up the definition for pedophilia.

Agreed, including me.

You don't seem particularly disturbed by it, in fact you keep mentioning how normal it used to be as a justification for using Antinous as your profile picture. You are basically saying that since it used to be normal for grown men to sleep with boys that there's nothing strange about Alefantis choosing him as his profile picture. That's without even considering the date rape drugs, moloch, lolita, and all the young children on the page given that context the choice of Antinous becomes even more disturbing.

Not pedophilia, no matter how you try and spin it.

What do we call 48 year olds that fuck little boys? Normal adults? Pedophilia is defined as a sexual attraction to children. A 13 year old is a child. Antinous and Hadrian's relationship was pedophilia no matter how hard you deny it.

Look up the definition for pedophilia there's no age limit.

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

Dime a dozen

Hey this guys a lawyer ^

Lawyer. Right.

Then you ought to know better than anyone that THE RULES OF EVIDENCE DO NOT APPLY TO THE INTERNET.

This is not a court, we are not cops and you poor lawyers are not getting a piece of the action. Yet.

This is not the court's jurisdiction. We don't have to meet any arbitrary burden of proof. We are just going to poke around and see if we can find where the fire is, within these smoke filled rooms.

That's what they said at Penn State!

Is that right?

After seeing how adamantly you're trying to make excuses for potential pedophiles you have to begin to wonder why.

Denny hastert and Jeffrey Epstein would have loved having someone like you around to cover for them when they were raping kids.

What's that mean, 'potential paedophiles'?

Do you realise how nuts you sound?

Well potential means having the capacity to develop into something in the future.

A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children.

You put those together and it appears to mean that there are enough coincidences in the entire pizzagate story that some of the suspected characters may be pedophiles of there was a real investigation.

There have been numerous cases of pedophilia with establishment types and powerful people so to say it's nuts is frankly just ignorant. Like I said, look at Denny hastert, Jeffrey Epstein, Anthony wiener.

Look up the 1983 congressional page sex scandal. Congressman created a program to work with boys who were juniors in high school and ended up having sex with them.

Read about Corey haim and Corey Feldman or what Elijah wood said about how rampant pedophilia is in hollywood.

To act like this is unprecedented and "nuts" shows you are simply uniformed about a lot of this stuff or you think it's ok, idk.

1. So far as I am aware, the allegations being made by pizzagate theorists are about actual paedophiles.

2. You cannot multilply coincidences to reach conclusions. If something is merely a coincidence another coincidence doesn't change that. (I know that people think that this is acceptable, but it isn't.)

3. My argument is not that this can't be true because 'establishment types' can't be paedophiles. My argument is that there isn't a shred of convincing evidence against the people accused.

4. I don't know about the congressional programme; I do know what the Coreys have said. Neither has any bearing on whether pizzagate is real.

Do you seriously not understand what potential means? It doesn't mean they're not pedophiles now, it just means it hasn't been proven, it's like saying alleged.

Denny Hastert, Jeffrey Epstein, Anthony Weiner etc set a precedent. It's not some insane conspiracy theory like the dems claiming Trump was a Russian Agent, with absolutely no proof.

There is nothing dangerous about talking about this and it is astonishing that people are so intent on defending it or making excuses for these people. Like why have you spent so much time online tying to convince people of something you clearly don't have a clue about? The reason there is no concrete proof is because the Washington elites and msm won't cover this story. The same people that lied about hands up don't shoot, Duke lacrosse, mattress girl etc. so when the msm is willing to run stories that are proven to be false and had no proof but not willing to even discuss this? It doesn't make sense and god forbid they do prove that any children have been hurt because of people like you who try to shut down discussion than you are going to look really bad.

Look what happened at Penn State, do you remember how many people deemed that insane before all the facts came out?

Do you seriously not understand what potential means? It doesn't mean they're not pedophiles now, it just means it hasn't been proven, it's like saying alleged.

No, you're wrong.

In that situation the phrase to use in English is 'possible paedophile', or maybe 'suspected paedophile'.

The potential to be a pedophile absolutely makes sense and the fact that you are sitting here incorrectly playing semantics to change the subject from child rape because of whatever weird agenda you have.

You must be one of the people who thinks pedophillia isn't a crime, it's only a disorder.

Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old during the election with absolutely no proof and the media and dems ran with it because it fit their narrative.

So maybe instead of trying to misconstrue my words to make your point you can explain to us why you so adamantly defend or overlook children being raped? Clearly you don't think it's a bad thing and shouldn't be investigated unless caught in the act right?

You are a tedious idiot.

I repeat: I am not defending anyone. Actually, there isn't anyone to defend, if you put three times your 'evidence' in a bag with a dollar bill, you'd have a dollar bill. I'm just challenging the pizzagate bullshit.

Do you realize you're in a fucking conspiracy theory subreddit? Do you think you're in your liberal circle jerk in /r/politics or something? Where is it ok for people to discuss your pedophillia hobby?

You've spent over a day trying to get people to stop discussing this? Why? Wtf do you care? You do let have a clue what you're talking about either, you act like there is no evidence and people are just making this shit up lol.

I don't know if you yourself are a pedophile or if you just know one or something but to so blindly defend it shows you have at least some ties to it, and it's pretty sick.

I've explained why I'm doing this. Try to catch up.

You're in a conspiracy subreddit defending pedophiles.

Sorry, I missed the part where I defended anyone. Care to elaborate?

Just FYI, what I'm doing is attacking the ridiculousness of this pizzagate conspiracy circlejerk. There's nobody to defend, because nobody's done anything wrong.

You are in a conspiracy subreddit arguing against people discussing a conspiracy. You have no clue that nobody has done anything wrong. You don't want people to even discuss it because it sheds light on people like yourself who are attracted to children

You have no clue that nobody has done anything wrong.

That's not how it works. The accuser has the burden of proof.

It's symptomatic of your illness that you make vicious allegations against me simply because I don't agree with you and I say so vigorously. What a shitty person you must be.

You are in a conspiracy theory subreddit telling people they can't discuss a conspiracy. If you were just trolling you would have dropped it, but your obsession with it really makes you look like a pedophile sympathizer.

Do you understand what a conspiracy is? Can you tell us where people should be allowed to discuss conspiracies? Have you went into every topic in here and demanded evidence and if they couldn't provide it you tell them they can't discuss it? If not why? Why do you only care about pedophiles? There are other topics in here that are way more far fetched than this but you leave those alone. If you don't realize how big of a sign that is that you have some ties to pedophilia I don't know if you can be helped.

you need victims

I dont think this is bullshit, but it is too late. No victims, no evidence, no investigation. Most likely, if true, they cleaned up their operation and maybe in 15 years we will hear something

Cathy O brian.

The haiti children

The 800 missing children in the US every year

Your numbers are a bit off..

Going by memory. Feel free to correct/source me.

500,000 missing a year.

Also 140,000 in the UK each year. Never heard a thing about it other than the poster I saw this statistic on.

Are these FBI statistics? You know they refused to prosecute Clinton?
They can't be trusted.

Dude, you need to put in similar time like John DeCamp did before anyone even remotely takes you serious and even then, most will likely not take you very serious, case in point, John DeCamp knew about Jerry Sandusky 10 years before the MSM caught wind.

The missing children stats is never explained right (just informing people):

• 800,000 total children (including teenagers)
• About 200,000 kidnapped by their own parents
• Majority of the rest are teenagers who fled home, got trapped with wrong gangs, fake modelling jobs, got lost, etc. (the majority of missing children are not kids but teenagers)
• About 1000 kidnapped by total strangers
• About 100 "white van kidnapper" kind of scenario (called stereotypical kidnapping). Apparently, half come home.
• Over 96% of all abductees return home within 24 hours, majority are teenage runaways

Those statistics should "cheer" you up in the circumstances. Most kidnappers are also known to the child/teenager. Parents are the biggest kidnappers!

Also.... I'd like to point out that these are the US stats, so maybe the huge 'child trafficking network' isn't that big in USA but still there.

Soooooo I suggest AGAIN to people to look in third world countries or conflict zones if they want "quantity".

Has anyone ever wondered why Haiti international adoption was 50% lower on the year of the 2010 earthquake... in a country where lot of children are undocumented.... where huge mining and clothing industries got built..... and where the Epstein Foundation is building at least one mega school...... and that foundation also funds studies about human behaviors & AI, and stuff that would be highly unethical to test on human subjects .............

Has anyone ever wondered why Haiti international adoption was 50% lower on the year of the 2010 earthquake... in a country where lot of children are undocumented

Uh, probably because they had a huge earthquake?

You know that killed hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed an immense amount of infrastructure, sent their government into disarray, and allowed massive swathes of illness of cut through the country.

Not exactly a time when adoption numbers will be high?

Did you count the number of total children who were sent outside Haiti in the Clinton's emails and compared with that stats?

:)

(and yes it was exactly a time where adoptions should be high)

Did you count the number of total children who were sent outside Haiti in the Clinton's emails and compared with that stats :)

No, did you? Or did you read it on some random website?

(and yes it was exactly a time where adoptions should be high)

Why?

Do you think I'd ask you and would need a random site when the Clinton emails themselves contain part of the answer? WTH is that useless smart ass question. That just to show how the info that was taken from those emails were cherry-picked by pizza peeps and you didn't even really verify the so called "adoption scandal" of Silsby.

Why the adoption should be higher than the previous and next years? Because half of the population are kids........................ Doesn't take a math genius to figure out even without looking at the casualties there's most likely more kids orphans than parents whose kids died. The point is the stat is intriguing and it's the theories why that are interesting, not how to disprove there's anything that went on there. It's not a competition, dude. Wanna save kids or not?

Now you're just using bad faith and fallacies for a mysterious reason and motivation. Doesn't make sense to look at Haiti? That's what I'm suggesting. Don't go insecure thinking I'm trying to disprove the fail pizzagate by using Haiti; both are possible at the same time but maybe you guys don't have much interest in black little kids, I don't know. It's not a secret either there's a lot of child labor there, just read the reports, check which corporation did the pay-to-play. Lot of relationships. You guys are horribly insecure and terrible investigators. I also find it interesting the Epstein note is of no interest to any of you and was mentioned many times....! Too much work, not enough pizza.

TH is that useless smart ass question

It's literally half as smart-assed as yours, you even included a fucking smilie face, the definition of smart ass.

Ask dumb questions, get dumb answers.

Why the adoption should be higher than the previous and next years? Because half of the population are kid

ROFL.

How exactly do you think adoptions happen? You think that # of adoptions is directly proportional to # of children who have recently been recently orphaned? You think that a government that has been totally devastated, an economy in shambles, and much bigger problems to deal with, is going to spend a ton of manpower and money to just shovel potentially orphaned children to other countries? Adoption processes take years to complete.

This low level of critical thinking is why no one believes you.

well actually yes they put that much manpower into it. There's over 1000 NGOs related to orphanages that were moved to haiti following the earthquake. They even sent kids oversea that were not even following the pre-adoption process.

It's also obvious they do if you read the emails on wikileaks in that time instead of cherry-picking what fits the 'validated chan theory'.

"14 children in limbos" as humanitarian parole so they can still be sent to USA even without knowing if they have parents or not. That’s something the haitian government is clearly trying to oppose.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30201

This white paper outlining the situation of the 12 Haitian children still in limbo in Pittsburgh is too darned long but HHS feels it is essential for the senior decision makers in all three Departments to appreciate the full range of players who are interested in the decisions made about the children.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/10681

It lays out both side of the argument, including the Prime Ministers conviction that they are being robbed of desperately needed resources by a system that is bringing in commercial goods under the guise of humanitarian assistance. He once told a group of donors that in many instances the NGOs did not know that their own staffs were running smuggling rings while using them for cover.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6758

Although the Governor's office believes all of these children were "in the adoption pipeline"…

Out of the 12 children listed who are at the Embassy now, we only have ever heard of 2 of them before.

None of these children match with any of those on the previous list except the two, and those two were not destined for France.

As the conversation is forwarded to Cheryl:

Update on the 12/twelve "new" children. Essentially they are really "new".

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/363

On November 12, MINUSTAH issued a public press statement confirming that peacekeepers who had served in the country were among the 50 individuals sanctioned for sexual abuse of women and minors in 2007.

The government did not register all births immediately and did not keep statistics concerning the number of births unregistered each year.

Credible and numerous NGOs reported widespread and endemic abuse at many of the country's more than 600 orphanages, the majority of which were unregistered or not licensed by the government

On September 16 (2009), Douglas Perlitz was arrested in the United States on suspicion of sexually abusing minors at a boys' home, which he founded and managed in Cap-Haitien. The facility closed in January.

https://www.justice.gov/usao/priority-areas/victims-rights-services/services-case-united-states-v-douglas-perlitz

In 1997, Perlitz obtained a grant from the Order of Malta, and founded “Project Pierre Toussaint” (PPT), a boys school in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, as well as “The Haiti Fund.”

From approximately 1998 through 2008, Perlitz sexually abused at least 18 of the minor children in his care. Perlitz engaged in predatory grooming techniques and abused his position as the director

Women from the Dominican Republic were trafficked into the country for sexual exploitation. Traffickers also used the country as a transit point for foreigners.

About Uganda child trafficking related to NGO and foreign adoption (intel files)

These cases generally do not involve traditional orphanages, but rather children connected to prospective adoptive parents through charities and child sponsorship programs. The biological parent(s) often reached out to the charity originally claiming the child was an orphan

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09KAMPALA1241_a.html

ETC.

I have actually read and research the topic... not image montages posted by "annon". This is just a glimpse btw but you guys fight so hard for your theory that you even attack people showing you other tracks and clues.

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DELETED CONTENT BECAUSE OF A USER HARASSING MONICA'S FAMILY ON FACEBOOK. The same one who started the whole Monica thing based on lies.

Majority of the rest are teenagers who fled home, got trapped with wrong gangs, fake modelling jobs, got lost, etc. (the majority of missing children are not kids but teenagers)

Uh, yeah. See, that's where your "stats" argument falls apart. Epstein and the other big rings took LARGELY from this demographic.

Yeah but pizzagate 'enthusiasts' use the teenager stats and passes it as kids stats.

Get why it's manipulative to use the 800k for pizzagate?

You don't have much epstein stuff, in fact that's one guy who should be investigated by you and none of you analyzed the blackbook, mentions the police reports and all those things that are actually tangible proofs.

I'm confused, why does it matter if they are teens or children? They are still underage and awful things still happen to 15 or 16 year Olds in regards to trafficking

Because pizzagate is focused (or pretends to be) on young children, not teenagers. So using the whole 800k statistic for it is a bit deceitful and also takes some focus away from the majority of victims. All victims are important but let's just say 100 vs 800k changes where you're going to look at to find a (some) network(s). It shows the young child trafficking network are very small and the children are most likely trafficked by their own parents than really kidnapped as we imagine with the stereotypical kidnapping scenarios.

eg. More probable scenario: the mom never 'lose' her kids to a kidnapper... she pimps the kid herself. Those kids are not on these stats but are certainly in much larger number than 100 per year.

That's why it's so important to look at the stats for what they are so the children can be really helped instead of looking at "huge networks' that might be very rare or not exist in the way people think.

The teenagers in questions are not all "kidnapped"; they are mostly runaways and teens who were promised modeling jobs, babysitting jobs, shelter jobs for money or drug or attention. Teenagers who made bad choices but still choices. So you're not going to find them at the same place as the young kids. You'll find most of them in prostitution rings, that's very different.

False.

Shills like you use the "white van" stats and hold that up as the only "real" evidence of this kind of activity. Pathetic lies.

These are the people that hung out with Epstein and Hasterman, champ.

Then every single stats is wrong since that's how it's freaking called.

Those stats even come from a LINK & with THE SAME WORDING POSTED BY ONE OF YOU! That just shows you haven't read those links yourself. Here you go champion.

You know what is fucking stupid? Is that you should be interested to know the info I posted but you are sooooo psychotic and wanting to prove your point (and full of snowflake ego) that you'll deny any other tracks of an actual REAL PEDO / HEBEPHILE just to "be right". Come on, grow up.

This guy above is the kind of guy who does rapping-little-girls jokes in the Barrens chat but is now outraged on Reddit. SMH

LOL you're a little triggered right now, snowflake!

Sorry, but your "white van" stats aren't the key here. Nobody questioned the accuracy of the stats you've presented. Just pointing out that you're a CUCK for proposing that the 800,000 isn't the pool from which these sickos are doing their business.

Epstein. Hasterman. Saville. The Hollywood Ring. The England Ring. The Bosnia Ring.

Every single one of them used primarily TEENAGERS covered under the 800,000 number that you yourself supplied.

Stop spreading the LIE that we are only concerned with the "white van" statistic.

well... I'm not the one using "LOL" and throwing random baseless unrelated statements regarding a child sex abuse topic.

If your pizzagate is about the biggest majority of victims:

• Why are you guys panicking with innocent baby pictures of a father and his son, and see sex into it? Avg age 2-4 yo

• Why do you panic and post half the art collection of that painter if your focus isn't about young children? avg age 6-10yo

• Why do you mix McCann to this? age 4yo

• Why is it that 90% of your 'proofs' and 'arguments' are related to babies and very young children, and not a single teenager or hebephile reference besides Epstein picture? ....

• Do you guys have any clue what is a pedophile and what is a hebephile, and how they are so different that they cannot really be mixed together or even investigated the same? You have zero profiling or psychological research about both types but you are still doing some switch and bait using one or the other to prove your 'huuuuuuge' pedophilia network.

• Did you read all the Epstein police reports and know how the victims got in touch with Epstein? Their own friends recruited them for money. It was a pimp "commission based scheme" with willing participant avg age 17, youngest 15.

• How did Savile got to his victims? Most of time, the parents brought the children. No trafficking or network. The guy is actually a very opportunistic sexual predator, his victims range from 8yo to 75yo (seventy-five years old!)

• Bosnia 'pedo' ring?? This? "1999: Whistle-blower Kathryn Bolkovac, who was working as a UN International Police Force monitor in Bosnia, *reveals UN police officers were paying for prostitutes and participating in trafficking of young women from eastern Europe as sex slaves*. (hint: young women = adults)

• England ring? WHICH ONE!

• Hasterman? Do you mean Dennis Hastert? He was a teacher who had access to young boys.... Not really a pizzagate with pizza and occult.

• Hollywood ring? Fits exactly what I described about teenagers (recruited and abused through promises of work, money,drug or fame)

• Dutroux? That's probably the closest to your "pizzagate" and not. Maybe you guys are too scared to investigate OTO and I wouldn't blame you...

• etc.

You mix everything together, throw names around while each case had a very different modus operandi, targets, etc.

Literally everything you said is shit.

800k. Of all age ranges, backgrounds, etc.

GTFO, pedo denier.

No one takes Cathy O'Brien seriously. The Haitian and US children that are missing, are missing. You need actual victims with either reliable testimony or direct physical evidence

No one takes Cathy O'Brien seriously.

No one took Galileo seriously. Cathy has lacerations deep inside her genitalia, do you think she did that to herself? Her story has remained constant over decades.

What about the Hamstead kids?

Have you seen conspiracy of silence? (it's on youtube)

They did take Galileo seriously, which is why they killed him rather than ignore him like they O'Brien. A simple search can show you how seriously people take O'Brien.

The Hampstead kids are Hampstead kids, not "pizza-related"

Yes the conspiracy of silence is well known and I am saying this is part of the problem

Not that it's really relevant to pizza gate, but Galileo was put on house arrest, not killed.

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Didn't you support Bernie?

Who did you finally vote for?

I thought so.

Not Trump you twat.

Oh but you can. It's complete nonsense

There are real people who do this shit for a living. Not a 14-year-old who can't tell fiction from reality anymore because he fell down an internet hidey-hole with all his fake internet friends.

Absolutely. It's complete and utter bullshit. There is no evidence.

Absolutely untrue. I came across this pizzagate thing a week ago and read up on the "analysis", "investigations" etc. Personally, I find it to be bat shit insane.

And I would like to add to this, allegations as are being made are not just "strong" they are devastating. I find it unconscionable to raise these without FACTS and PROOF, none of which exist. If you ever have been wrongfully accused of much lesser things, you'd wince and cry because society treats accused as convicted, particularly when it comes to this topic of sex crimes against children.

The complete void of compassion for those accused without proof and evidence boggles my mind and makes the accusers nothing but vermin. Present proof and evidence and let the wheels of justice work. Stop screaming justice doesn't work hence we replace it with our version of it. Justice isn't perfect but it's way better than this accusation porn.

Unless you've rustled up something better than a game of dominos, the merits of playing said game after consuming a gift basket of cheese versus a gift basket of pastas and sauces, a pizza map, and a pool party ... then yes, yes you can.

/u/faithle55 is completely correct, any of the proof that has been presented is circumstantial at the very best. The problem is that Reddit is treating it like it's direct evidence, which it most certainly is not.

Lots of people got practice ignoring Jimmy Savile and the popularity of pedophilia in the UK government.

This guy is exactly right. You guys don't have any real evidence. You have theories supported by a heavy bias and willingness to do mental gymnastics to twist reality to fit your narrative. In the real world investigative agencies look for tangible evidence. Internet circlejerks, not so much.

so as long as criminals obscure themselves from obvious blame, people should just forget about these things? is that your point? 'the media' and 'the police' will take care of it so everyone should just go back to watching Gilmour Girls?

Yeah, maybe somebody should go hold a pizza employee at gunpoint about it!

This crazy pizzagate nonsense needs to stop. It's a politically-charged hack of a theory that's going to get someone killed by idiots.

how did you jump to that conclusion?!?

I don't promote anybody doing anything crazy like that. I've never argued against having evidence, but stopping people from doing research and such is crazy. I don't agree with vigilante justice, but I don't think people taking an interest in helping uncover corruption and horrific crimes isn't bad either. There is a line that can be crossed, but you are taking it to the other extreme.

History is littered with powerful people having terrible systems of abuse and fronts for carrying out that abuse. If you want an example that has been actually admitted and (attempted) to be remediated, look into the Residential Schools for aboriginals in Canada. The Canadian, English, and certain Churches systematically tortured, murdered, and tested (medically and otherwise) on children who were taken from their families up to as late as the 1960s/1970s. Also, the Jimmy Savile thing was a more recent connection. Governments have been involved with extremely terrible things like this before, so people don't give the benefit of the doubt. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

how do you jump to that conclusion?!?

http://mpdc.dc.gov/release/arrest-made-assault-dangerous-weapon-gun-5000-block-connecticut-avenue-northwest

Uhh I said that in reference to him claiming that I was sticking up for the vigilante justice guy. I wasn't. Justice should be carries out by the authorities if and when they have evidence to do so. Both sides if this issue are crazy, your doing your side no favors by putting words in people's mouths and going after them for things they never said

You are absolutely right. Criminals obscure their activities. You are also right that people should forget about pizzagate so authorities can investigate real crimes and not an internet circle jerk based off some theory there is hidden code in emails from Podesta, the validity of which is highly suspect.

Show me any shred of physical evidence and I'll be more than happy to change my tune.

I've looked at the "evidence" online and it's laughable.

My point is let these people do their internet sleuthing. If they come up with evidence that can be acted upon, that is a plus, correct?

I am totally on your side about vigilante justice, but we don't go and shut everything down because one person took it too far. Also, if you are dealing with corruption, there is a good chance that these things could be a discredit to the whole investigation.

This all started with FBI memos and weird pictures, not based on some crazy person making a claim out of nowhere. This might be very unfair to Comet Pizza, but life isn't fair. People will suss out fire if they smell the smoke, and while I personally don't see any smoking gun evidence with comet pizza, I also haven't really looked very deeply into it (and frankly i'm unwilling to considering the content and the subject matter). As long as people are respecting those who are uninvolved, I don't think its something we should be hating on. History has shown us time and time again that powerful people and governments can do horrific things under our noses.

While they do their internet sleuthing they have an impact in the real world. Thats what you morons don't understand. The people that own that place, and the ones that work there, patrons... Are having real life consequences because fucking retards are constantly bad-mouthing them. With 0 proof.

This might be unfair to you, but what do you think, should we all go to your Facebook to call you a pedophile, phone your friends and family to tell them you are a pedophile, or call your job to ask them to fire you because you are child fucker?

with absolutely no context? no, you shouldn't.

You are concluding things you do not know. How do pedophile rings (which we have proof exist in different forms around the world) exist if they are blatant about it? It's not black and white.

From your post history I can get more twisted context than the one you guys have.

What you are doing is harming this people based on nothing. Send the supposed info you have to all newspapers and agencies and be done with it, because you are whipping the unstable individuals in your kids into a frenzy.

I would love to see some legit proof and would write for the "biased MSM" about it in a second. (Note "would love" as in "hasn't happened yet")

Till then you are harming people's lives based on zilch.

Go ahead and look at my post history... I'm not into pizza gate or any of this stuff so fire away.

I just think both sides are extreme - the side that is convinced is as crazy as the side that isn't. You are proving my point by putting words in my mouth and witch hunting. It doesn't help your cause to treat people like garbage.

Again, I haven't done anything, so what are you accusing me of exactly?

Heavy bias that is a result of the REAL WORLD PEDOPHILIA RINGS EXPOSED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I get it. You're concerned about pedophile rings. And those podesta emails and the mental gymnastics of creating some code so people can accuse him and the company he keeps of running a ring out of a D.C. Pizza place...

Idk, when I have to make up a secret language to interpret questionably sourced and probably not actual emails.... just way to much suspension of common sense for me.

Why not drugs?
Why'd they skip past drugs or regular old hookers and go straight to pedophilia?

Why do these people know do much about pedophiles anyway?
I didn't know any of this before the matur-gaters started up with it.
We need to look into them and their motivations before we start tearing people's lives apart.

Really, Comet Pizza has a huge libel suit on their hands. Publishing unsubstantiated accusations has caused the real and serious harm.
These guys need to come out and make their case and stop hiding behind the internet.
The owner has s tight to face his accusers.

1. The code was known long before Pizzagate. Much of it defined by the FBI.

2. The podesta emails are verifiable through googles own authentication system.

You're not concerned about pedo rings. You're concerned about the Clintons and the DNC. Be fucking honest, at least.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Hilary and the DNC. This is about a terrible accusation against a business who has suffered greatly because of this. Also if all of you are so damn worried about pedo rings why haven't the lot of you started a GoFundMe drive to help in the prevention of this? Why not donate to one of the 1,000's of non profit orgs who help kids who are abused or molested?

You know why? It is easier for you to waste energy chasing a phantom story instead of doing real work.

I'm just making sure we're on the same page, I was insinuating that a lot of the people who are concerned about this are far more concerned about "exposing the DNC and ruining HRC" than they are about busting pedo rings. They wouldn't care about a pedo ring unless they got to shit on the DNC and HRC.

Got it. Sorry about the mix up.

I think Podesta is at the center. Seems like the kind of dude who has been in unelected power for far too long.

You'd think they'd wise up after this stupidity.

latest facts

We have the proof. Clinton is behind this

Ok, so provide the proof to the authorities, and if you don't trust them, the media, and if nobody believes you... it might just be you.

That's just fucking ridiculous.

You should sign up with David Icke. He was far-sighted about this; he's been claiming that everyone in power is actually a 12' tall shapeshifting alien lizard - from, I think, another galaxy.

He hasn't a shred of proof either; but it hasn't stopped him making a lot of money out of gullible people.

There's nothing to investigate. Its a bunch of bullshit. Bullshit noise. Actual real adults who deal with real crimes aren't looking into this because they can detect bullshit better than a bunch of internet warriors are their keyboards thinking they're Felicity from Arrow or some shit

The owner lied about his basement in order to discredit the story... too bad he mentioned his basement in an interview last year.

How's that for detecting bullshit?

So, since the owner supposedly made two contradictory statements about a basement, his business is responsible for supplying minors for sex to highly-ranked members of the Democratic Party?

Really? That's the best you've got?

100% suspicion is not the threshold for investigation, it's the threshold for sentencing.

Nobody here is advocating for sentencing at this very moment.

Oh how generous of you.

Judging by the behavior here and on related subreddits, there's much greater grounds for investigating you lot for harassment.

What's your stake in it?

The lie was directly addressing the accusations soooo.... ya!

If you are being investigated for taking your neighbors lawn mower and give a public statement that you don't even own a lawn mower but the neighbor took a pic of you using a lawn mower that matches exact description the day before your statement. Ya. That's evidence.

If you are being investigated for taking your neighbors lawn mower

They're not being investigated for anything.

That's evidence.

Evidence of what? You need a crime to be committed first to have a reason to look for evidence.

There is a public investigation which he was responding to directly when he lied. If there's no investigation then you have no need to be here vehemently denouncing silly conspiracy theory talk. What are you afraid of?

Reasonable suspicion exists. In this case it takes the form of lying publicly while attempting to discredit public researchers who are only digging through publicly available resources.

If this guy really didn't have anything to hide he has certainly thrown gas on the fire by further encrypting his website and lying on interview when he could just as easily dismissed the whole thing by using his power as 94th most influential person in a city with thousands of powerful people to get a quick tour of his basement televised as soon as this started.

He's as responsible as anyone else you'd like to blame for how this pans out.

Let's take your barmy response line by nutty line.

There is a public investigation which he was responding to directly when he lied.

No, there's a public campaign of harassment. Investigation is carried out by the police or other law enforcement agencies.

If there's no investigation then you have no need to be here vehemently denouncing silly conspiracy theory talk.

There is no investigation. However, I'm here because the harassment conducted by people with the same crazed opinions as you resulted in an armed assault upon the establishment in question.

What are you afraid of?

More idiots like today's one being inflamed to further acts of violence by people like you.

Reasonable suspicion exists.

No it doesn't. There has not been one shred of reasonable evidence presented by anyone, in this thread or out of it, to implicate the business in question in any illegal activities relating to either minors or the Democratic Party.

In this case it takes the form of lying publicly while attempting to discredit public researchers who are only digging through publicly available resources.

You can't call "reasonable suspicion" after the fact. Reasonable suspicion has to exist before an investigation is conducted (leaving aside the aforementioned fact that what has happened so far has not been an investigation, but rather harassment). Also, just because information is public doesn't mean that using that information inappropriately is acceptable. If someone published your name and home address on Reddit and asked for people to send you death threats, that would most certainly constitute harassment, and is in fact what has been done to the business and its staff.

If this guy really didn't have anything to hide he has certainly thrown gas on the fire by further encrypting his website and lying on interview when he could just as easily dismissed the whole thing by using his power as 94th most influential person in a city with thousands of powerful people to get a quick tour of his basement televised as soon as this started.

"Encrypting his website"... do you actually know what those words mean? And why should he be obligated to do anything whatsoever to mollify his harassers?

He's as responsible as anyone else you'd like to blame for how this pans out.

No he's not, neither legally nor morally. People like you need to directly bear the blame for what happened today and previously.

LoL. I am not directly involved in this scandal and as such can bear no blame.

This guy on the other hand is at the center of what's happening and instead of the absolute simplest thing he could have done to end the whole damn thing (a tour of his restaurant and basement), he lies about the existence of the basement as a means of discrediting his accusers.

He is at the core and is fueling the fire.

I'm just sitting here watching it burn and telling people not to get too close, but don't turn your back either.

By your logic then by defending him you should bear the full brunt of the blame if he is found guilty of what he's being accused of. That's absurd.

That's the crux of your argument that it's the center of an international pedophile ring?

I'm detecting a whole lot of bullshit, dude.

Links to actual bullshit provided. Have a nice day detective.

Damn you cracked the case! Wrap it up boys, those pedos are done for sure. Thanks for being so helpful to this effort.

Links to sources?

Sure!

https://mobile.twitter.com/hillbilly_vegan/status/805374711374970880

For the lazy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985

http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

Kinda surprised you haven't already seen this with how many times it's been reposted, since you're on r/conspiracy after all.

For the even lazier-

CPP doesn't have a basement, his other restaurant next door does, not that anything to the contrary ever gets through to you stupid fucking confirmation bias conspiratards because youre all half-wits

Launched in 2006, Comet Ping Pong is Alefantis’ first restaurant in which he’s the executive chef, and only second as owner, after Buck’s Fishing & Camping — which he had opened roughly two years before, and two doors down Connecticut Avenue.

http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck's Fishing & Camping, Alefantis' other restaurant nearby.

http://www.philly.com/philly/food/restaurants/20130822_San_Marzanos_vs__juicy_local_heirlooms.html?mobi=true

And like I said. All this could have easily been diffused by being more visible.

I'm not at odds with the idea that this guy is innocent, in fact I personally think he's a distraction.

At the same time I don't think suppressing discussion as opposed to merely providing simple evidence is how you make these things go away.

oh fuck off, he's a private citizen same as you and me and a bunch of internet trolls are ruining his life and his livelihood without a scrap of evidence of any crime.

you know what the FBI and LEOs tell people who are being stalked NEVER TO DO? You NEVER encourage or try to reason with your stalkers.

1) He has no obligation to and 2) there is literally nothing he could say or do that would cause you conspiracy assholes to stop harassing him.

have you ever thought about that? you've already condemned and certified him as a pedophile, that much is clear.you discard evidence that doesn't fit and copy-pasta every unfounded conjecture that remotely impugns his character, ad-infinitum. this kind of inquiry fails in every journalistic, legal and scientific standard.

Well, he did give an interview pertaining to it even if LE suggested he didn't.

I'm not harassing anyone personally, so playing the blame game won't work with me.

I really do hope that this is all just speculation.

I hope that his name in french is a disgusting coincidence.

I hope that pizza men can gain enough political influence to be named 94th most influential person in a city full of the most powerful career politicians and alphabet agents.

I hope that the sicko pedo style art is a coincidence.

I hope that all the lewd comments he and his friends made about children is truly just a horribly inappropriate dark form of humor.

I also hope that no children are ever faced with a reality depicted in the imagery created by the artists these people favor.

I also hope that no children are ever faced with a reality depicted in the imagery created by the artists these people favor.

you don't give a shit about any of that, and especially not the final point. your morality whiteknight bullshit is cringeworthy, be better at life.

Wow. Well there's certainly less evidence supporting your assumptions about me than there is about the topic at hand.

Way to go, embodying everything you've just railed against. Good job

Nothing like doing all this damage control for something that is labeled as "fake." lmao

No one could care innocent people are losing their livelihoods obviously

IF there's a pedo ring in our govt and these people are suspects then they should be properly investigated. Why is no one thinking of the children that may be involved? Their lives are equally, if not more, important.

Not that I'm super involved with it, but all these comments do seem kinda damage control-y.

Then I'm sure you won't mind a casual global investigation, by people all over the internet, just to make sure?

Problem with that?

Yep, especially when a nut job shows up with guns, and starts threatening food service workers.

Ohhh you got a problems!!!

Tough titty said the kitty. Get over it.

Well the issue is that it's a "casual" investigation (you know, holding an employee at gunpoint and all that) and performed by people with zero expertise and an excess of time and perceived self worth.

Hey can I get a copy of your report? The one you are quoting as fact? If you have thoroughly investigated this issue and find nothing, you owe it to the rest of us to share your evidence.

Otherwise you are nothing but a [insert ad hominem here] and a [insert intelligence insults here].

Well, Mr. I-speak-from-authority ?

No they don't. These are ludicrous claims based on zero evidence. Police investigate things when there's actually a chance that there are crimes being committed.

Ludicrous claims huh? It's both a vast and deep conspiracy, if you don't believe me watch this YouTube clip and everything will become clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Glfe6UeXQ

Honestly, Charlie makes more sense than these idiots.

Unless they don't. And when they don't, it's up to the public to find out why.

Local Police: "We didn't find anything."

Online Idiots: "Conspiracy!"

follows the storyline.....jesus....they can't say ' no children were injured to get this law passed'

Not really. If I walk into a building making unfounded claims and fire a round after holding people at gunpoint I certainly wouldn't expect the police to follow through.

Who says they haven't? What proof do you have that no self-respecting Detective did look at the pictures and other assorted claims and decided there was nothing even close to warranting concern? They are under no obligation to inform you of any investigation. And what if they did indeed investigate openly and reported no findings that even remotely back the claims and "questions" of those posted in this thread? Would that be proof of no conspiracy or simply further proof of one?

They are under no obligation to inform you of any investigation

I disagree. They are usually under no responsibility to inform the public, but in this case, they most definitely are. Otherwise, there would be no end to the amount of lunatics going to check things out at Comet. They not only owe it to the public, they owe it to Comet and its employees. If this pizzagate thing doesn't die out on its own, the authorities have a responsibility to address everything that's come out, from the Twitter pictures to the emails.

Otherwise, everybody loses.

The police confiscated a gun?

Some reports say one, some say two and others still are now saying he had three guns.

Nothing seems to be certain yet.

It's fake news. It'll be whatever they want it to be

the irony

PizzaGate isn't fake news it's a theory in development. Considering the fact that Breitbart concluded, based on his own investigation, that the Podestas were proponents of a pedo ring back in 2011 before the Podesta email leak even happened, I think it's perfectly rational for people to investigate the matter further. Do I support people harassing the owners of Comet Pizza and other individuals who are only implicated through speculative evidence? No, I don't think any decent person here does. I understand that if you don't support the investigation, as there is a lot of missing information right now, but you don't have to demean the people participating. The same goes for the other party, nobody should be harassing anyone based on drawn conclusions.

This sub actively supports harassing the owners of Comet Pizza. Just the other day, they were suggesting that a group go in and make off with a pizza to have the meat tested for human DNA, because that's totally a rational thing that rational people do. They were suggesting that they go in as a group in case they tried to keep them from leaving the store with the pizza that they'd paid for. /r/conspiracy has gone full retard with this, and I can't help but think there's something else going on in the background that they're being distracted from with this.

Yeah that's just flat out ridiculous. Makes me sad that the group of people acting like complete shitheads will possibly fuck this entire thing up. I know there's a lot of really dumb shit and stupid claims mixed in with this investigation, but to say the entire investigation is substance-less would be going to far. I hope someone can really break ground on this before idiots fuck it up for us.

These are the kind of people that are "investigating" it though. They've made their end conclusion and are trying to find any steps in the middle that will prove the conclusion that they've already made. This is why people are trying to tell you that you have nothing. You don't have anything except for the narrative that you want, and anything counter to that gets tossed out.

Wow uh that's a pretty big assumption to make right there honestly. That's how conspiracy theories are made man; you develop a theory, you look through things that you know are true, determine its relevance to the theory, speculate on what it could mean, and use this information to build a case until there's something concrete. Having a narrative is a constituent of the definition of the word theory man, in science and mathematics it's called a hypothesis.

[This the same brietbart] (www.breitbart.com/news/man-fires-gun-in-d-c-restaurant-while-investigating-pizzagate-conspiracy/amp/)

Uhhh no he died 4 years ago..

Both of you are acting like children.

This community uses to be so much more than "your wrong!" ... "No your wrong"... "Oh the irony"...

No theory should be treated as crazy. We should listen and debate politely with anyone about anything.

Getting sick of people on both sidea of this pizzagate shit.

Love the username

sense when are you okay with our THEORIES threatening peoples lives? It's confirmed by several sources that he fired a gun. I'm all for skeptical research and analysis. But a lot of you have lost some serious perspective and I implore you to take a step back to see this. Involving violence in any of this makes you no better then anyone else.

At some point you have to believe what you're reading. But I'm saying this on a conspiracy theory subreddit so I don't know what I'm expecting...

we also had eyewitnesses say there were two gunmen in the OSU knife attack (one person)

we also had eyewitnesses say there were multiple gunmen in the Florida nightclub massacre (one person)

do I need to go on?

Eyewitnesses accounts can be highly inaccurate for a variety of reasons.

In a high adrenaline situation you often over look details and go into "fight or flight". But one person supposedly wielding 3 guns is a large amount of variance imo Edit: spelling

You should not hold all conspiracy theorists accountable for enabling that deranged gunman. Not even a little.

you guys are doing it right now. Everyone of these top rated comments is some nutter psycho shit.

Maybe you idiots shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

LOL.

Thank you for correcting the record

I love this ctr meme cuz it's so unfathomly stupid that only conspiracy nuts could constantly say it non ironically

Not even a little, really? If there IS a massive pedo ring operating out of that pizzeria, and the cops won't do anything, what did you expect to happen? If these allegations are true, fine. But if they aren't, then all the conspiracy theorists constantly spreading fake stories and making something out of nothing are at least partly responsible. Yes, the dude is deranged and that's not on you, but on some level if you're responsible for spreading bullshit, eventually there will be real-world consequences and people will get hurt. Maybe not by an armed gunman, but by everyone calling them a pedo for working as a just a regular delivery guy for just a regular a pizza place. Just something worth considering.

At some point you have to believe what you're reading.

I just wanted to repeat this so we all know who we're dealing with.

Well.. when the blue pill is offered with enough frequency, this person thinks that people must swallow it like they did.

At some point you have to believe what you're reading.

That's just it. There has been way too many incidents when police or the media or politicians or others who blatantly lied about all kinds of thing. Start with the Kennedy Assassinations. Both of them. We're told that neither were conspiracies.

Then 9/11. Building 7 came down in freefall. WTF?

Then the Boston bombings. Then Sandy Hook.

Now a guy with a gun in a pizza restaurant.

It's is kinda hard to take what anyone says at face value.

What was the lie about sandy hook?

I don't know all the details surrounding it, but what I have seen is that there are numerous videos of "parents" being interviewed by news people that look like community theater level acting. Seriously bad. One video shows a guy smiling and joking, then he stops and takes a minute to get his acting face on and proceeds to do a completely amateurish and unconvincing acting job about his kids and what happened. Then there is another female parent who tearfully, but without actual tears, tells about going to get her child at a pick up spot, and a few minutes later in the same interview repeats the story but says that her husband had gotten the child and left by the time she got there. Etc.

Feel free to google "sandy hook fraud" or similar phrases and see for yourself. It becomes obvious very quickly that these parents were actors.

But does that prove it was fake or just the goverbment milking a narrative for all its worth?

Think about it. These interviews were on the day of or very shortly after the incident. Since when do govts quickly find actors to fill out the narrative for a MASS SHOOTING involving CHILDREN at a SCHOOL.

Frankly i think its more convincing that the government has people on tap to do gigs like this whenever the "opportunity" strikes, keeps their hands technically clean but still get maximum advantage.

Unless those people moved actually lived in the town, the other parents and the teachers would have to have known them though in that case

Show me sources from the police that say he is actually in possession of a gun and shots were fired.

From the police themselves! Not "reporting"

So far the police have NOT stated the locations in where they found the guns.

The police have stated this has nothing to do with Comet Ping Pong conspiracy theories or terrorist activity.

HERE IS VISUAL PROOF THEY ARE CHANGING THE STORY AND STAYING AWAY FROM VERIFIED SOURCES!

Older nbc story - http://archive.is/XU13M

New nbc story - http://archive.is/G9VMz

WHAT HAPPENED TO MRS BROWN STATEMENT? She was standing next to police chief when he made statements and was talking when the video cut out.. Where is the whole video?

Popo

Eyewitnesses are terrible, and it's really easy to fake 'eyewitness' testimony.

you think this is bad, you should see what they do to pedophiles in jail... ;)

His dad is a movie producer and an ex director of a "protect-the-children" org. The alleged shooter has an imdb page. If you think this is genuine and not manufactured you really shouldn't be in this sub anyways.

At some point you have to believe what you're reading.

I'm not going to look at your post history but it's obvious this isn't your place. Keep swallowing your blue pill, forget this subreddit and go on and live a life of ignorance and happiness. All this stuff will do is confuse you and make you angry and you'll just drag the rest of the actual discussion in this sub down.

Is this that weird conspiracy theory trope of interpreting panicked evacuating people and journalists playing telephone in a rush not getting all the details right as evidence of a false flag?

Because the planners are fans of improv and don't want to use a pre-planned script?

Hey it's you again, you follow pizzagate closely but you want it to fit your narrative. Pretty ridiculous "research" you did I must say. And here you are, you've been at it for a month now. Keep pushing, you really have nothing else to do.

I work in DC, so I have a personal interest in not having kooks with guns running around. And I agree it's ridiculous how easy it was to debunk a pizzagate theory by plugging and address from their evidence into Google.

So much time on your hand to disprove this conspiracy. Your whole comment history is so ridiculous, some would think you have an agenda, or no life.

There is no organization with these people.

They can't even publish an article without checking the time stamps to make sure their fake story lines up.

All of them have half a brain and it's just 2 dumbass people working together with third half brains to form 1.

Screw the MSM and screw Reddit for shutting down pizzagate. I'm admittantly still kinda upset about that. Our mod team followed their rules to the T and now the voat.co subreddit is compromised.

Is this that weird conspiracy theory trope of claiming that conspirators are super incompetent at covering their tracks while simultaneously being super competent at avoiding any negative consequence?

Our mod team followed their rules to the T and now the voat.co subreddit is compromised.

I don't follow. Your mod team followed reddit's rules... and now their voat sub is compromised?

Okay so let me briefly talk about this because it's insanely important.

So as you now know, I was a mod for r/pizzagate and I was honored. Anyway, the admins had messaged us one time before the subreddit was shut down. In their first message they outlined what the issues were and we addressed them accordingly, making sure that no rules were broken. We were literally online modding 24/7. Literally. When the admins shut us down we reviewed mod logs and user accounts and found some very suspicious activity that can't be described as anything other then sabetoge. Just after r/pizzagate was made someone beat us to voat.co and made v/pizzagate. It was predominately inactive with only a few users. Following the shutdown of r/pizzagate, when then moved over to voat.co/v/pizzagate to continue our modding there since we were the original mods. The thing is the lead mod there gave us a hard time and subsequently removed us one day without warning after a voat user discovered that the lead mod was censoring and removing crucial information. After our removal, the lead mod there then appointed unvetted, unknown mods who continued to remove important things. We never knew who the guy was and we had no power to remove the lead mod. We were forced to hand over the investigation to someone we didn't know and we had no other options. Afterwards the issue was discussed, there is only 2 things the mod can be - a plant who was there to sabetoge the whole thing or a government employee. All in all, as a x-mod, I don't trust v/pizzagate anymore.

Fake news so that the next time they want to shut down a pedophile investigation they will have public support because they will remember the "crazed gunman."

What do you mean by that? Are you disputing that a man went to Comet brandishing a gun for the purposes of "self-investigation" (his own words)?

The statement from the DC Metropolitan police says three guns. It also says he fired a shot while inside Comet after holding an employee at gunpoint.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/release/arrest-made-assault-dangerous-weapon-gun-5000-block-connecticut-avenue-northwest

Sad stuff. The worst witchhunts are the "think about the children" hysteria ones, as people lose their fucking minds.

Cept it was a fake shooting. But nice try.

But there were witnesses. It happened in reality. There is evidence that it exists.

The only evidence that it could be fake is that it might be illustrate the harm of baseless witchhunts, and that its part of the grand conspiracy. That is, no evidence, so far.

When a massive global baseless witchhunt fueled by fantastic pedophilia and Satanism allegations, and the targets are just chilling right in public, it seems inevitable that some loonies will try to fuck them up. Just like there are people who troll sex offender lists harassing and attacking the people on them.

There is a reason why you don't scream pedophile! without concrete evidence: it fucks all kinds of shit up, maybe permanently for some of the targets.

Bullshit got proof? Show me the witnesses too. If they are actors and there is no video of the shooting then it already is the same shit going on since Sandy Hoax. https://youtu.be/igfczc6m5M4

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Ooh nice. Reported.

I'm serious. You are calling a hoax on a tragedy where children were literally murdered and their parents are mourning their loss. There is something broken inside you.

Show me fucking proof. Columbine was a real shooting where kids died. Show me proof of Sandy Hoax. Show me those laughing parents who made fundraisers before the event even occurred.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/sandy-hook-timeline/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting-leaves-students-staff-dead/2012/12/14/24334570-461e-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html?utm_term=.4516a5ba4c51 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Literally tons of it.

Show it? Don't link me bullshit. Where the fuck is the proof? Columbine had everything from Autopsy reports to fucking videos. Sandy Hoax has nothing but crisis actors and laughing parents who coincidentally are all in actors guilds.

The proof is in the links.

Rule 10. Take your unasked for psychological evaluations elsewhere please, first warning.

Lol. What? What!? A fake shooting?

What evidence do you have for this? Jesus christ you people are fucking insane.

LoL WHAT? Pizzagate? You people are fucking nuts!

This is a complete lie, eye witnesses say nothing about a gun being anywhere. And the police never mentioned anyone being held at gunpoint!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-With-Assault-Rifle-Arrested-at-Comet-Ping-Pong-in-NW-DC-404634716.html

here is an article where the bartender claims he didn't even see a gun. The claims that he shot the ground happened with noone in the store. as stated by police. How can you push these blatant lies?

From my source above:

The suspect entered the location and pointed a firearm in the direction of the victim who is an employee of the restaurant.

the local beat cops are in on it!!! cant you see they fuck kids too!!! You should all be ashamed!!! For I am a voice for the voiceless, a light in the dark!!!! You guys sound like r/whiteknights but even more cringe.

You're the only one saying such things, though.

the shills aren't known for logic

Says the guy who thinks cheese pizza is a reference to pedophilia anywhere except 4chan.

Except OP and plenty of his peers use the same language I did, right here in this thread. Also your logic comment is pretty damn ironic, but hey I'm just a CTR SHILL.

But you are.

I wish I got paid for this

But you do. Each negative non Reddit karma you receive only increases your stay in hell.

Not quite sure karma and hell work like that but thanks for your opinion on my after life