That sentence is indeed much more difficult to explain.
But so far the biggest thing has been James Alefantis having a photograph of a statue that is an ode to pederasty as his Instagram profile. Nothing can top that.
There's a lot of little things like that that are just off and when all the little things are added up it looks MIGHTY suspicious. No 100 percent hard evidence and people are trying to discredit it because of that, but if you research all of the information there, it's pretty obvious something very fishy is going on to anyone that isn't afraid to make their own inferences.
God I really hope SOMETHING happens. Judging by the way things are looking so far I gotta say I feel discouraged. I too am convinced that there is some fuckery going on but I'm not quite convinced that anyone involved will ever even acknowledge the allegations, let alone see the inside of a jail cell.
I don't even care if people are punished for past crimes- you can't change the past- I just want people to wake up enough that we as a society can stop it in the present and prevent it in the future.
If they aren't punished then how will there be positive change? If they acknowledge the fact that they did these things, they need to be punished or else they will try to change the consensus. This all needs to come to light and everyone involved needs to answer for what they have done. Damning evidence needs to lead to arrests.
I disagree, I don't believe pizzagate is a psyop, or we wouldn't be seeing this massive media clamp-down censorship campaign on our findings. Keep invesitgating.
After he was nearly beaten to death by David Brock's ex-bf there were many accusations of pedophilia levied at Alefantis and Brock...so much so they paid $850,000 in bribes to the abusive ex-lover, William Grey.
Other than his civil suit against David Brock for the return of antiques and art, he seems to have worked in pet rescue and adoption in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware and has now disappeared, with a settlement payment of $850,000 in exchange for silence about Media Matters’ alleged financial misconduct.
And the PDF seems to indicate Grey was sued for blackmail and that Grey responded with a denial of those claims. It would be pretty ballsy to pay blackmail money regarding pedophilia and then attempt to sue your blackmailer. Kind of defeats the purpose of paying your blackmailer, don't you think?
Unless you too are culpable of the same crime. This was a very public fight among Brock, Grey and Alefantis. The term pedophile and boy fucker was tossed around quite a bit. Unless there is an investigation, allegations are just allegations.
He countersued to get his $850,000 back, plus $500,000 for each of three counts of alleged blackmail, and another $2 million in compensatory damages based in part on what Brock’s lawyers called abuse of the judicial system and legal fees.
Grey, who relocated to Massachusetts, declined to comment when contacted by FoxNews.com. Brock and Alefantis remain in Washington, where Brock has released a new book attacking Fox News. He is also under scrutiny from several members of Congress amid reports Media Matters for America is in possible violation of IRS laws governing nonprofits.
There was the one sexually suggestive photo of the girl with her hands tied down and the guy standing right behind her lined up so it looked like "that", that was a big wtf moment for me. Along with the Jeffrey Dahmer-esque statue and naked children art in Tony Podesta's house.
If you are already looking through pizzagate glasses, it looks like that. If not, it's just people amusing a little girl who was maybe a wiggle worm or something.
Your rationalizations are obscure and weird. The Instagram is actually exhibit A for why so many people are suspicious of this, myself included. That's what caused me to get really suspicious at first. Also you neglected to mention why Tony Podesta has multiple pieces of art depicting naked children at his house while there is a statue of a headless person in the same position a serial killer placed his victims.
Explain how. I found the Instagram stuff weird myself until I realized it's a rock n' roll pizza joint catering to hipster parents. The most disturbing one was #hotard until I realized that was one of the guys' nicknames. After that, the rest of the pictures only look sick if you're coming at it with confirmation bias. Just like the clip of Biden supposedly telling a 13 year old girl she makes him horny (which is not what he said).
Also you neglected to mention why Tony Podesta has multiple pieces of art depicting naked children at his house while there is a statue of a headless person in the same position a serial killer placed his victims.
(1) it's not the same position as a Dahmer victim, the legs are very different; this one is floating, the Dahmer victim was propped up in an arch on the floor and his shins were flat. In fact, it has nothing to do with Jeffrey Dahmer or any serial killer. Since you are repeating this false claim, I can only wonder how "naked" the children portrayed in his art really are. Edit: nevermind, I found the art in question and it's equally non-disturbing, imo.
(2) art is often weird, so what — if I had his kind of money, I would collect some weird fuckin' art, believe me. We have 4 pieces of "big eye" art in our place we had before the Big Eyes movie came out. The kids all look sad, but it is cute and weird. Both my wife and I just like it, probably because we're sort of jaded but innocent at heart. To you, this art would probably be proof we're sick pedophiles, but if that's the case then a whole lot of people were pedophiles in the 70s because this kitsch stuff was very popular.
All the instagrams have been scrubbed, and lots of the Chan posts were deleted, I'd say look around at this sub. I take it with a massive grain of salt but give some of the high-profile pedophilia scandals in the past few years and including the GIANT UK soccer one going on right now, I think there's a kernel of truth to some of it.
I have something that I've found directly tied to Alefantis I'd argue could be worse if not strengthening proof. What's the safest way to show it? It's not archived but screenshoted and now access isn't possible
The argument against it is that Hadrian commissioned hundreds of Antinuous statues after Antinuous' death so statues of him are very common today.
My argument against that argument is when you search "Antinuous Museo del Prado", you can't find that picture. So it isn't hard to assume that Alefantis personally went to the Museo del Prado, took a picture of that statue, and set it as his Instagram's profile picture. And that Instagram is completely filled with pictures of kids and sexually graphic pizza images. It's just too much, I don't see how anybody can defend that.
If this pizzagate stuff is not ture then James Alefantis has the WORST in regards to what he posts on his social media. At the very least he is a real idiot.
That is what stood out to me as well as the weirdest part of the entire thing so far, I'm watching from a distance but that is pretty hard to brush off.
to me the weirdest thing is the picture of the girl taped to the table that is a dead ringer for Maddie Mccann.
Even if it is not her (because clearly you'd have to be a fucking idiot to post that on social media). The girl looks nearly identical to MM. It's just so creepy.
That sentence is indeed much more difficult to explain.
That's not REMOTELY difficult to explain. Let's give it context with slight adjustment to the wording. Last time we played Dominoes, I sucked. Do you think I'll do better playing after a couple shots of Jack Daniels than I did blown on out weed like last time?
Yah people usually don't for weed. Although I have known people (very few) who do. Like Henry for an eighth (Henry the eighth). That guy was kind of dumb though.
This is the back story to dominoes: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34860. The guy apparently lost badly playing dominoes to Susan. Made reference to the podesta playing style. Podesta was sending pasta to his friends but instead sent cheese this time around.
So the guy asks whether he will play better with podesta's pasta vs cheese, because he received pasta before and lost when he played. Nothing weird about it. You guys are fucking idiots.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings with actually reading all the links and backing up my statements. Let's just let all the newly created accounts upvote themselves about a conspiracy and not question the real conspiracy in this sub...
What circumstantial evidence? Because, you guys are full of shit. Most of you on here are propagandists with newly created accounts for the election. You may have seen me on Pizzagate getting downvoted if you actually read the source material....
The statue is the Arch of Hysteria. Not based on Jeffrey Dahmer victims. The art of the kids in his house is a famous artist, and yeah if you find liberal art offensive you will be offended.
One of the girls on the Instagram photos is the daughter of their Event Organizer at Comet Ping Pong.
The pizza place next door: the logo has one more side than the pedo sign and the sign isn't uncommon but also sold as stock logos 12 It is a simple geometric design, easy to make a mistake like that. Some of the other logos in pizzagate is a standard double paddle that is used all over ping pong places and the heart from a neighboring business is a heart used for Hart of Autism.
Everyone knew Jeffrey Epstein because he was heavily involved in politics, even Trump http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/ ""I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.""
The little girl in the video, they were just referencing it because the caption mentions pizza. Something an owner of a pizza place would do
The photo of the fake baby with a price was a reference to a doll being sold at a store and they were making fun of it.
Spirit Cooking is from a marina abramovic which is an Art event of sorts in which many famous personas have seen. Everything is simulated not using real blood, semen, etc. Also, John Podesta never responded to attending but only his brother. Unless you are christian, or easily offended by Death Metal, you probably don't care about this.
Comet Ping Pong hosts many types of events, which including politicians raising money.
This post should be shown to a TON of people around here. Not necessarily even to deny this as being a thing--but just to point out how research SHOULD be done. Because now if people want to argue against your points, they at least have solid things to argue ABOUT. Well done.
Most ESPECIALLY in a subreddit such as this one, where looking at things critically--VERY critically--should be the top goal.
What proof to the contrary do you have besides your personal opinions? You know in a legal setting proof is something like a physical alibi, or the testimony of a professional psychologist that specializes in pedos and serial killers and knows what kind of art they would and wouldn't collect, perhaps a special investigator who can say for sure what code words pedos use and do not use. Are you qualified to comment in any of these ways? Then your proof is just opinions.
You ask for professional insight against #pizzagate but not for it? Hypocrite. I don't just provide you with opinions, I actually counter with the facts that have been laid out. I had better conversations on /r/pizzagate than this. Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about.
That is the real joke isn't it. Pizzagate is and has been speculation with no basis in reality. I just reveal it for what it is to all the idiots, by using their own sources. A person such as yourself can only believe in this if you already had preconceived notions.
Again you have no proof on whether or not it has basis in reality. How can you be so sure? And if you are a decent person, you would extend some reasonable doubt towards something that may involve innocent children's lives getting ruined. Instead of dismissing it outright without evidence on your part either. You just can not claim that it's nothing at this point. I agree with you that not every piece of evidence may be relevant or anything at all. But at the very best some of this stuff points at individuals in positions of power with some very bad and immature taste. I have a fine arts degree and I agree that spirit cooking is most likely nothing but weird conceptual art. But here are these people with huge amounts of power and responsibility enjoying what amounts to graphic representations of cannibalism and torture. The art world has long become a money laundering bubble. I mean I'm talking about the kinds of money that one would kill a human over. At the very least this swarm of elite artists/politicians/celebrities are just obviously out of touch with what normal is and it is really really not a stretch of the imagination that some of them would engage in real dark activities.
I need to look at the image again of the instagram. But I would need to see the context. I am not here to defend people anyway. I just remember that they would communicating through the comments as well. It could reference the image or someone or something someone said in the image.
Pathetic. You can't even back up your own statements. I have seen it, but if you want me to give you a firm "reason" for why someone does something. That is patently ridiculous.
Here is your reference you fucking idiot: https://i.sli.mg/2FyXrV.png
His friend called him hotard and then returned the favor.
Other than him being gay, and having an image of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinous, which is considered a "gay icon". I don't know, it must be something about a pedo. Because any reference to Greece makes you a pedophile... jesus christ people. Oh wait... i need the /s because its obvious this sub doesn't know how to probably read into things.
Historically, A figure who lived in a time of power positions being given to young boy lovers. It is more likely that a gay man posted a culturally gay relevant figure. Either way, this comes nowhere near to concluding him as a pedophile.
The Spirit Cooking thing is even more inane than that. It was the name of one of her performances but what Podesta was refering to in the email was a donor reward tier from a KickStarter campaign which is still readable to anyone who gives a shit about facts.
A dinner night with Marina during which she will teach you and other backers at this level how to cook a series of traditional soups, which you will all enjoy together.
Thanks for this. I think it's important to remember that this whole ridiculous conspiracy theory hinges on made up 4chan bullshit specifically designed to troll idiots.
Too bad it's all getting gobbled up. Cheese pizza? Come on people.
I just don't understand the mindset here. I personally think Donald Trump is a vile, reprehensible narcissistic human being who's built all his success around being born with a silver spoon in his mouth and sociopathically screwing over everyone less powerful than him foolish enough to give him an ounce of faith.
Would I believe he's a pedophile running a secret child sex slave ring? Probably not. There would have to be a considerable amount of hard evidence for me to accept that reality, and I'd still be intensely surprised despite believing Trump has little to no moral character.
Yet so many people seem to be willing to just jump to the conclusion that because they believe Hillary & Podesta are dishonest and corrupt in politics they're probably also capable of literally raping children all based on the flimsiest "evidence" imaginable.
Edit: I was seriously wrestling with myself whether or not you're worth my time given how you keep babbling about backing yourself up (which you DON'T do at all for most of the points here), but what the hell... I'll bite:-
The statue is the Arch of Hysteria. Not based on Jeffrey Dahmer victims. The art of the kids in his house is a famous artist, and yeah if you find liberal art offensive you will be offended.
The pedo code words were made up on 4chan by a troll and people went with it, because kids are stupid.
The pizza place next door: the logo has one more side than the pedo sign and the sign isn't uncommon but also sold as stock logos 1 2 It is a simple geometric design, easy to make a mistake like that. Some of the other logos in pizzagate is a standard double paddle that is used all over ping pong places and the heart from a neighboring business is a heart used for Hart of Autism.
Spirit Cooking is from a marina abramovic which is an Art event of sorts in which many famous personas have seen. Everything is simulated not using real blood, semen, etc. Also, John Podesta never responded to attending but only his brother. Unless you are christian, or easily offended by Death Metal, you probably don't care about this.
“Dear Tony, I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina”
How the fuck does this imply that John will NOT be attending as well? Here's Tony emailing him asking whether or not he will come:-
“Are you in NYC Thursday July 9 Marina wants you to come to dinner Mary?”
Oh look guys, another person who cannot back up his assertions. When the burden of proof is required they fail...
Your link on the Arch of Hysteria is a bit deceitful. Here is the reference written by an actual professional: https://remedianetwork.net/2014/06/23/the-arch-of-hysteria/. The link you posted has only one reference to a connection to Jeffery Dahmer:
But we know that the Arch of Hysteria is specifically depicting Dahmer’s victims, not just someone suffering an ailment, because the statue has been decapitated, just like Dahmer’s victim was.
Please, another assumption and not backed up by anything relevant to Louise Bourgeois reasoning for the creation of the Arch of Hysteria. Hysteria, has a history of being associated with demonic possesion. Doesn't show anything.
The link to the FBI symbols are real, but the association is false. The Besta Pizza symbol has one more edge than the FBI symbol. I have already shown you. The pedo code words are nowhere to be found in any of the links you provide or an real reference. Again nothing.
Again read your own link idiot. John Podesta was never involved in that email exchange. Look at the headers for whom Marina was communicatiing with:
But we know that the Arch of Hysteria is specifically depicting Dahmer’s victims, not just someone suffering an ailment, because the statue has been decapitated, just like Dahmer’s victim was.
This hypothesis doesn't hold water, considering that there's a photo in Geberth's book "Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation 2nd ed" [EXTREMELY NSFW] that shows the victim in the same pose from a different angle, and he's clearly still in possession of his head.
Not to mention the fact that that the 81-year-old Bourgeois would have needed access to these photos sometime between the end of the trial (2/15/1992) and when the Arch of Hysteria piece was completed in 1993. Highly unlikely, given the fact that there was no "web" to really speak of until 1994, and these photos weren't published in Geberth's books until years after the piece was completed.
Now the Podesta Bros may have purchased the piece due to the similarities to Dahmer's "work"... I don't fucking know, that would be pure speculation. But to claim that Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer while creating this piece is an absolute stretch at best... unless this little old lady traveled from NYC to Milwaukee in 1992 for a personal showing from Capt. Ferrier's ghoulish photo collection.
So as with everything in pizzagate, we're expected to swallow ridiculously tenuous "evidence", and act like it's a smoking gun.
Also, the fact that you received reddit gold makes me VERY suspicious of you. Most, if not all, r/conspiracy folks know that gifting reddit gold is the most stupid thing to do, given how the money ultimately ends up with u/spez and his pedo masters he covers for.
That was actually a nice read. In fact, I think I may have stumbled onto something. From your "reference written by an actual professional":-
Against the combined historical voices of medical history, which proclaim ‘There is no injury and no infection! Lest the body snap, hadn’t the hysteric better snap out of it?’, we are challenged not to ignore this anguish. Bourgeois is undoubtedly tapping into Freudian analyses of the hysteric, heavily overwritten by notions of dysfunctional female sexuality. The emasculated male form here both questions and ridicules this tradition.
So Louis Bourgeois apparently uses Sigmand Freud's psychoanalytical research as his inspiration... Oh my, are we talking about the same Freud family which is now being REKTED with pedophile scandals? Remember Sir Clement Freud?
Please, another assumption and not backed up by anything relevant to Louise Bourgeois reasoning for the creation of the Arch of Hysteria. Hysteria, has a history of being associated with demonic possesion. Doesn't show anything.
Read your own reference:-
The arch of hysteria was diagnostically indistinguishable in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries from that of tetanus. Whether or not a pain was taken seriously by the medical profession might come down to whether that pain was ascribed to an emotional imbalance or a physical disease.
Seriously, what the fuck you do think constitutes emotional imbalance? "Demonic possession" in older times in majority of the cases was a disguise for conditions resulting from lifelong abuse by older family members, religious priests and whatnot.
All types of abuse are damaging to children—physically, emotionally, and psychologically—and can cause long-term difficulties with behaviour and mental health development.
This reminds me, have you as of yet seen this poster for one of Comet Ping Pong's concerts, which very clearly depicts out of body experiences that children have when experiencing extreme abuse??? And then you come in here with your anti-conspiracy guns blazing accusing us of nothing but conjecture??? Seriously, bugger off.
EDIT: Forgot to address your response regarding Abramovic.
She responded to his brother. John was not involved in this. She was asking for Tony to bring his brother. John never responded...
That does not solidify your position that he did NOT attend. It's left up to speculation and I would actually hazard a guess he did, given how he likes to "cook" as you yourself acknowledge.
You can't just jump from "Freudian analyses" to Sir Clement to argue against the art piece. Ignoring that leap of logic.
I appreciate your links of Sir Clement. Interesting story. So, his accusers came out after his death when he is unable to refute anything. Either way it seems his wife eventually sent a few forgiving words to the accusers.
So, how is this connected to Podestas? The McCann disappearance happened when Sir Clement was in the UK and rented his place out. The only claim that they were at his rental and on that day is from an "FBI anon". Take that with a huge grain of salt as I bet that came from 4chan. Unless you can actually provide me with a reliable source for the supposed FBI source.
We can keep discussing the Louise Bourgeois and her dark reasonings for the arch of histeria, or spirit cooking where speculation leads only to John Podestas brother being eager to watch her famous art events... none of it leads to a Ring of Pedophiles.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1998874 An interview with the girl they hosted for the band at Comet. Apparently she has a friend do the designs. She seems like a fairly normal young girl to be doing that job. I don't see how any of that points to pedophilia. Seems more of a feminist type of art.
I mean he was arrested days prior, the camera was moved one day before, his dad has connection to Haiti and is a child abuse investigator (who are implicated in pizza gate) and he is an actor.
Something is definitely fishy. If he is indeed a plant then there is obviously some powerful people trying to stir shit up to gain backing for censorship to cover something up
No. The word false flag comes from ships back in the age of sail. They would fly the flag of a different nation than they belonged to in order to attack a high value target without starting a war. Or starting a war between two different nations. A modern false flag is like the u.s.s. Liberty. Israel attacked her for hours in order to blame egypt, but she never sank.
If the media reports something that didnt happen, then its what we used to call propaganda.
It appears to be his kid, but I won't post more than the following. Supposedly, I read he was the godfather. Also, they are not public figures. I would be banned posting private information. This is just what has been shown before.
http://archive.is/9FN8n This is the picture you are referencing. It has a hashtag #carisjames. Assuming that is the name of the child, because it comes up every time the kid was posted.
This coming from the guy who watches underage 3d hentai porn models on vive and oculus. Tell me more about your playclub dats, homie. Your conservative values are just oozing all over this website.
Propaganda has an audience, child. What you've posted is my outlet of hatred towards a truly criminal cunt. If the present topic triggers your weak emotional state, maybe avert your gaze. It's sort of telling that you are going so far out of your way to poorly combat this story. What skin do you have in the game? Pederasty hit a little close to home? I know it's common among soccer players...is that it?
Aww... boohoo. It isn't fair that someone contradicts my propaganda.
I am not the one getting hurt over someone actually doing their homework. I have 0 skin in this game unlike you do. I frequent this sub because I love conspiracies but this conspiracy has 0 backing. So go cry to all the new accounts because I am sure they would love to hear more from you. I know I will just keep getting ignored.
You are the sad little triggered child crying alone in the wilderness about the wrongs of pizzagate. Nobody forced you to whiteknight the situation with your ignorance. "new accounts?" WTF are you talking about? Are you okay? Have you been triggered to the point of mania? You seem to be having another one of your manic episodes. I lived in DC, I know the principles involved. This story has been a LONG time coming...if you don't like it, avoid it...it's not going away.
I lived in Mexico City for a few hellish years...It's much better to just build a wall and strictly enforce immigration policies.
Do you still live in Mexico? It seems odd that you were so passionate about our election yet you don't really live here or should have a skin in the game. Are you getting paid?
It is funny you think I am a child... odd how the child seems to think about things critically instead of blind believing. So you want me to go away because you don't like people actually reading the source material. Poor you.
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How telling is it that when confronted with pederasty you attempt to investigate and then attack me...lol. Let me let you in on a little secret, kiddo. Everything I say is a lie. I've never stepped foot in Mexico. I live in Mexico. How stupid are you that you believe what anonymous accounts say? Is this your first day online? Do you need an adult to walk you through the hard stuff? I don't care if you stay or go...your weak analysis makes little impact, as you've seen. If anything your protest are enough to make more people question the gay cabal. I'm long retired and I won so much money off the Trump victory that I'm devoting all my resources to outing the DC pedos....now more invigorated by slow thinkers like yourself(aka, mind of a child, is that why pedos go after kids??).
Good thing the quarter is almost over... oh wait. You didn't purge it every quarter. you still have 6+ months worth of data. You are a bit late. I can remind you every quarter if you need it. It is merely a simple script away.
I appreciate you linking this email, I'd never read it before. Here's the part about dominos:
Last day in MV. Missed you. Susan whipped Sherry and me at Dominos. Using the Podesta method, she made up the rules as we played.
Now personally, after all the other wierd shit I've seen in these emails this just sounds like more BDSM talk to me. Susan "whipped" Sherry and me? She made up the rules as we played? Sounds like some kinky shit to me. That could easily be some dungeon sex play shit. Seriously it could.
What adults make up the rules as they play dominos "podesta" style? It's fucking dominos. They're not children, they're powerful professionals.
When this e-mail was written, Herb was almost 84 years old. Sherry (Broder) was at least 67, not to mention... Susan is Herbert's own fucking daughter.
So we have two possible scenarios:
1) Herb had a friendly game of dominos with his daughter and a family friend while on a trip, and then dropped an e-mail to his friend saying that he was sorry he missed him during his visit.
or...
2) 83-year-old Herb and his 67-year-old sex partner (whom he hooked up with after his wife of 51 years died a few years prior) had his fucking daughter beat the shit out of them during a kinky BDSM session, and then dropped a coded e-mail to his buddy Podesta to brag about it... who then made sure his own wife was on the reply so she could enjoy the cryptic debauchery.
Whipped me? Were you even alive in the 90s? It is the vernacular of our nation. To go from that to BDSM to dungeon sex play. I appreciate that you looked at the email, but if you were being critical of the information you would question everything. Not just move your inner dialogue to a forgone conclusion that was given to you.
Like I said, in the context of the other bizarre emails, and what very much appears to be coded language, I wouldn't be surprised if this was more of the same. Or do you have pizza related map handkerchiefs lying around your house?
It's a thing. This isn't some bizarre item to own. It only seems weird if you've never had one, I guess (most of us younger people haven't). Older folks commonly wearing suits, on the other hand...
One that actually looks at the back story. That you seem to be ignoring. How do you rationalize domino's being about pedophilia? That is actually the ridiculous claim.
The fact that you think a pedophile ring is a theory as strong as gravity when you know at best it's speculation is patently ridiculous. The mental gymnastics you must go through to keep yourself sane from all this corruption. /s
Guy who receives pasta/cheese saves it and consumes it with sender over a game of dominoes. Maybe it's a tradition for them, a token of friendship whatever. This time the package changed.
The handkerchief thing is completely unexplainable unless Podesta literally had a black and white comet ping pong handkerchief with a piece of pizza on it and the email sender was just trying to describe it.
Nothing is more convincing as hard evidence to me than
A.) these people immediate and intimate relations with known and convicted SERIOUS pedophiles.
B.) their taste in extremely pedophilloic artwork and moreover the description of their basement as a room to "showcase video artwork that is unmarketable to most purveyors" paraphrasing
C.) the Besta Pizza logo, the Clinton foundation shit across the street and the fucking weird shIt alefontis posts on his IG
This recent apparent false flag attack on CPP only bolsters my opinions.
I agree, it's not a very damning sentence, especially when framed in context. IF anything it begs further scrutiny on the statements that don't have a frame of reference. The reality being that child sex trafficking in the DC area is a pandemic. The gay DC community knows its a problem, but don't want the bad press that comes along with outing their powerful friends... most associate with powerful gay federal judges/police/politicians/agency/diplomats...etc..etc. Who provides boys to fuck for the Muslim diplomats when they come to town? Where are they kept?
I grew up in the areas in question. Much of my family are in law/law enforcement, and the military. More directly...Many of my friends and family are part of the gay community.
And these people are privy to information that affluent and influential individuals are involved in pedophilia?
Like, I don't get that. Where I live if ANYONE was even implicated in this and they would be fucking blackballed by everyone and everything. I can't imagine living in a place where you hear a pedophile rumor and just brush it aside.
I would have never believed it either, but I've heard way too many first hand testimonials throughout the years from victims and police involved. I've audited cases that make my stomach hurt. None of this is new, it's just not considered consumable on TV. Hell, I know a guy who raped multiple children, did 3 years and is back in his mansion. You think he stopped? I doubt it. He has money, connections, and personal security. Fucking Sandusky...you think that ONE kid was fucked in the showers the day before he was arrested?? FUCK NO! That shit was going on for years and EVERYONE knew! I mean the guy didn't even hide it. One of my ex's had a pedo in their family and it went unaddressed until I became aware of it...we divorced shortly after. People are fucked up and will defend the most heinous activities...
The handkerchief thing is completely unexplainable unless Podesta literally had a black and white comet ping pong handkerchief with a piece of pizza on it and the email sender was just trying to describe it.
Given the wealthy are much more likely to own, and carry, hankercheifs, I picture it meaning someone left their fancy black and white hanky that someone drew a map to the pizza place on, behind.
Because a hanky was all that available? Because someone was kinda drunk and didn't think that far ahead? Because when you're wealthy and powerful, a fancy hanky is still kinda disposable to you, in a way?
In light of how large Washington DC is and how little some people may know about where every damn street is, if you had to draw someone on map on a handkerchief then they would have to at least know where one of the intersecting cross streets or something very close to it was. Otherwise as a professional, I would just give you the address and let you type it into your GPS, which is what people do now and have been doing for the last 20 years.
You can probably even remember in your own life the last time someone tried to give you directions the long way like we used to do back in the 90s go down first Street take your third right, go up two blocks take a left, go down to your seventh red light and take a right etc . I am sure that you looked at them and said no thanks just give me the address I'll just put it in my GPS.
And in larger cities, you name a couple main cross streets. Say, Dundas West and Spadina. And then, if someone doesn't get it, you may say, "here, lemme draw you a map. It's one block up and left from there." Remember, this involves possibility technologically inept people. An actual pizza-related map on a hanky makes much more sense than "thoroughly incriminating evidence on a hanky of satanic child rape."
Replace the phrase "on a full stomach" with what, specifically, it is full of.
He's basically asking, do you think I'll play better after eating a cheese dish instead a pasta dish?
Being "on (something)" just means you consumed it and may feel its effects. Here's another (made up) example to help make more sense of the wording: "do you think I'll paint better on mushrooms or on LSD?"
Instead of painting he's playing domino's, and instead of drugs he's consuming cheese or pasta.
I think they rape children and put a hankerchief under to collect semen and blood. On that hankerchief is the DNA of both the victim and the corrupt politician. Then they paint "art" on the canvas using the hankerchief as a starting point (hence the need to return such an important piece).
At this point, the painting is trifold:
1- It is proof of crime that can be used against the corrupt politician, thus maintaining their little mafia.
2- It is "art" which is "worth" a lot and can be sold around in these disgusting elite groups.
3- It is a satanic artifact that contains the energy of the crime on which their demonic masters thrive.
The posts are spread out across several blogspot sites. It's laid out as a giant puzzle. Or it's been put across several individual blogs who are all "alters". These are just the ones I've been able to scrape together so far. These blog entries detail the torture methods and such.
It's classic gish gallop: drown people in a bunch of stuff that's mostly shit to bog them down in tedious but obvious réfutations/ignore instead of refuting them all. Meanwhile true believers suck it all down and ask for another load of trash.
So like, what do you do? You seem to spend all day, every day, on Reddit,
talking about pizza gate from the looks of your comment history. Are you an adult with a job? Or just someone that was so enthralled with this story that they made a new account and made it their full time job to investigate. I don't have the time to look at all of your claims, but where are you getting this stuff from? It's almost as if someone is paying you to disseminate this info.
Jesus christ man, try waiting for actual evidence. Critical thinking is good for you. That's a whole hell of a lot of insanity to come up with from one email about a found handkerchief. Could it possibly be a handkerchief with a black and white map print on it? Google that, you'll find tons. Maybe one of famous pizza places? Who knows, but that's far, far more plausible than this explanation.
This is the best theory I've seen so far. Having read into the occult a few years back this type of thinking would fit perfectly with their actions if indeed these accusations are true.
That's reaching, but it does create an interesting scenario.
In your story, anyone can purchase this "art piece". Let's say someone had an "art piece" of this nature created by an ex-president of the USA.
With this art in their possession, they could (potentially) singlehandedly expose this crime. That makes this "art" EXTREMELY valuable. So let's say they buy the piece for $50,000,000.
Then, someone else who wants to bring down the pres offers that person $100M for the painting. This offer is of course overbid by a person faithful to the pres, who offers $150M, shutting out the exposer.
It creates wealth out of nowhere, value from nothingness, an entire economy of highest bidder holds a trump card. Just a game to keep money moving around...nothing but Thursday night poker for the elite.
And if you're just a small-time politician who wants to make a big run for office? What do you do to earn $50M in value from a donor? You give them something worth $50M in exchange.
So the reasonable deduction from all of this rampant and unfounded hypothesizing I found myself engaging in was this: people are using this "art" to evade the tax man. It's simple: I sell you this bag of dog waste that Damien Koons scooped up from the gutter in the Bowery which is so relevant and your insurance agent assesses it at $1,000,000 and you have an instant non-taxable commodity. Okay - maybe it's taxable - but it's "art" so it falls through all kinds of loop holes. Then you turn around two years later and pass it onto your "friend" who happens to have an apartment in TriBeCa you want to buy. You two strike a deal in which you transfer the now famous bag of dog excrement to your friend for three million dollars and he sells you the apartment at a steep discount for one million. He saves on capital gains, you get a $4,000,000 apartment for $1,000,000; he owns the perceived value of the dogshit container, and your apartment is still worth four million on the books.
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The pic in John Podesta's office on the wall is creepy as hell too. A guy in a suit on a table looking like he's about to be cut up and eaten by two ominous dudes standing above him.
I actually posted something about this a couple of weeks ago. I was a Mason, so I studied various mystery schools. One of them had a practice where you had to rape children or murder someone in full view of the circle of elite to gain admission.
It was done for precisely this reason. No one can come out against the circle, if the attempt it they can be destroyed.
There's no reason to think modified forms of these practices didn't come down in one form or another to this very day, especially given that they were highly effective. I love your spin on it though.
Now wait a minute, there are reasons that led me to believe this. Your political leaders are the children raping and children eating monsters, not me. Do not shoot the messanger. I don't need help, you need to get involved in pizzagate and get the word out.
It's important to be curious about the world but be critical of ideas as well. Don't get wrapped up in circumstantial things that have poor supporting evidence. Even if it's fun to believe in your emotions don't make it any more true.
Here's a video of Carl Sagan explaining how someone disovered the earth was curved.
I did say that it was my guess and I did add "for what its worth" didn't you notice? I still believe I'm very close to reality, that's if I'm not spot on. I'm not trying to convince anyone and I don't need a mountain of evidence to come up with my guess. Why are you trying to educate me on how one should reason. Carl fucking Sagan give me a break. Ohh and that video debunking pizza gate is such garbage I can't believe you pinpointed this one...I saved it as proof of dishonest citizen journalism and/or shill attempts at discrediting legitimite investigations.
Not something that I truly believe myself, but your presidents, congressman, judges and police chiefs all seem to believe it to be true in some kind of twisted way. Anyway the idea here is that concepts are alive. I know I know. Yeah. So those concepts / ideas and the emotions associated with them as experienced by someone can get attached to physical matter, creating an artifact.
That's your proof? A strangely worded sentence? That's ACTUALLY your proof. That a high profile child sex ring happened. Pizza map handkerchiefs. Like I said before, you need professional help man, I'm legitimately concerned for you.
Let me ask you this. How do you know pizza/map/handkerchief are pedophile slang?
I didn't say that was the/my proof that's just you being a dick. Now either you explain to us what that code means or we will see you as trying to defend these pedo lords.
I mean you screaming and pretending that this was my proof was kind of a dick move you'll have to agree with that.
I don't have to prove anything. I was just pointing out the obvious: Did you read the actual post we are discussing on? That's the whole point of the post...that we think there is something, we can't prove it, but you people tell us that there is nothing to see here? Right? Then ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION: Where do you keep your pizza related map hankerchiefs?
Well you did suggest it as if it was so self-evident to render the conversation unwarranted. So yeah, perhaps it's not your best evidence but you've acted as if it's dispositive when I too think common sense would show otherwise. Frankly, even granting that podesta molests children, it being a handkerchief map of pizza joints in dc, or something like that, is still a much more likely scenario.
Are you trying to imply that your link is a "pizza related map"? Why would anyone want to defend these elite pedo lords is beyond me...unless you are...
And so it begins, anybody who doesn't believe that a pizza related map is pedophile related must be one too. Even though according to the email he left the map with the real estate agent! If it wad a secret map why did he just leave it?
And pedo lord? I'm sorry are there any victims? Witnesses? Anybody who worked there collaborating any part of this? No! I'm defending a business owner who has been proven of no wrongdoing against a hysterical Internet Lynch mob.
He literally posted evidence of an extremely logical and infinitely more likely explanation. You responded that he must be a "pedo lord'. You have lost it. You guys honestly scare me.
Extremely logical? He just found a NYC map with 4 slices of pizza on it. It's not even "pizza-related" appart from the fact that there are some slices there. It's not a map of the surrounding best pizza places. Trying to defend these creeps will result in us thinking you are part of it, its that simple.
Ohhh ohh ok Im sorry about that. You can delete all my posts where I was abusive. Sorry about that Ive been vomotting pizzas for weeks now it is getting on my temper.
Honestly, that's a much better hint than the handkerchief.
I don't want to call it evidence, but holy shit that's shady. Anyone related to her (Clinton, Podesta, et. al.) should come under intense scrutiny for that.
The thought of an airplane filled with $65k worth of hot dogs is hilarious to me.
(Real hot dogs. Not codeword hot dogs.)
Edit: Just did some math for shits and gigs.
A Nathan's hot dog stand in New York was charging 3.15 for a plain hot dog. This price is considered to be very high. $65,000/$3.15 per dog = roughly 20,635 hot dogs. Keep in mind this is a high rate for a hot dog, an order as large as this would likely come straight from the manufacturer, lowering the price by cutting out the middle man, and also have a very discounted price considering the volume of the order (think sam's club's discounted prices based off of bulk buying.) We're looking at easily over 25,000 hot dogs (and that's a very low estimate). Imagine >25,000 hot dogs in an airplane and honestly tell me you aren't cracking up at the thought. Because that image is hilarious to me.
Yet people get pissed about their taxes going toward welfare/planned parenthood and turn the other cheek when something like this is presented to them.
I remember a few years ago reading about costs for food at catered political events. I think muffins were priced at ~$15 apiece. All sorts of absurd prices paid.
Maybe I'm weird, but the $65k pizza/hot dog party seems plausible to me. Ridiculous, but totally doable. Call up the best pizza and hot dog places in Chicago, offer to fly (private) some of their staff (with supplies/food) to D.C. to cater an event for Obama and the price would add up pretty fast.
I thought the Whitehouse wasn't allowed to bring in outside food due to security concerns? I could certainly be wrong, but I thought that was the case.
Yeah it's a totally reasonable number. Food catering is fucking expensive. There are plenty of easier and more boring answers to all of the creepy speculations people bring up here, but it's more fun to jump to worst case scenario based on circumstantial evidence to get your online witch hunt brewin!
Exactly. Anyone who is hanging their conspiracy hat on this hook has obviously never put together an event before.
My company shelled out $2K to take a team of 12 programmers across the street to a Dave & Busters. Shit adds up quick... and that's without flying in staff, and factoring in the customary ass-raping that contractors provide along with their bids to government and/or corporate entities.
Just sayin'. If I had lots of money for a party, I'd damn sure fly actual Chicago pizza out to LA...or Tommy's Chiliburgers to Chicago, if I needed to do so. There are foods that are worth flying to you if you can afford it.
Maybe a president from Chicago, a place famous for, you guessed it, hot dogs (and pizza). I am just a ten year redditor who enjoys reading about conspiracy theories along with many other topics. I examine evidence fairly and make up my own mind. all of the pizzagate stuff has simple explanations, but people have gone nuts finding other meanings in it.
sigh. OK. Not like anybody actually likes playing with kids. Has that become such an insane idea in your world of pedo ideas? Or that it was said somewhat sarcastically like they might annoy/bug him to play with them?
And really? Gourmet hot dogs, fucking flown in on planes, at a regular price then jacked up for executive transport, presidential level protocol, or whatever else are going to cost $1 a piece? Are you mad? If you walked into a high end Chicago hot dog place you would pay over $5 for a dog with all the fixings. Start fucking using your brain.
The #chickenlover thing was a huge red flag to me. Not even chicken in the picture to make it semi-relevant. Or the "Hatian special, extra cheese" comment....because when I think of delicious pizza, I think of Haiti.
Nobody says these things, even to adults. The only people I have seen mentioning chickenlover in this out of context way is on CP and pedo forums. It's honestly an epidemic when it comes to CP. How in the world does someone get caught with 33,000 CP pictures? That's 33,000 children sexually mutilated, 33,000?
Nobody says these things, even to adults. The only people I have seen mentioning chickenlover in this out of context way is on CP and pedo forums. It's honestly an epidemic when it comes to CP. How in the world does someone get caught with 33,000 CP pictures? That's 33,000 children sexually abused, 33,000?
Chickenlover was bad. I'm pretty sure the "Haitian special, extra cheese" was a troll from after the pizzagate stuff already started, if you look at the date.
I mean there's this. Really, at the very least, it's shitty marketing for the owner of a "family friendly restaurant" to post such sexually suggestive phrases next to children. #hotard is another gem.
It's clear that there's something odd about the email in question. But that doesn't automatically make it suspicious.
The first email in the relevant bit of the exchange is from a real estate agent (Kate) and she writes:
From: Kathryn Tate [mailto:kathy@ktate.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:04 AM
To: Sandler, Susan
Cc: Sandler, Herbert
Subject: You left something at the Field house
Susan & Herb
I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island.
No mention of a map, which is odd if you think that a map would be completely obvious to the person who found it and could help identify the owner. But the description is that it's just white and black.
Then, some hours later, Podesta's pal (who received the above email) writes to Podesta:
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.
So she hasn't actually seen the handkerchief in question (because the realtor has it). Plus as you can see this email is full of typos (Susan even mis-spells her own name as 'Susaner').
So my guess is that 'map' is a typo for 'mark'.
A 'pizza-related map' on a handkerchief she hasn't even seen is an odd idea.
A friendly joke about Podesta's fondness for pizza leading to a 'pizza-related mark' on a handkerchief isn't quite such an odd idea.
And yes, Podesta is a noted foodie and is so enthusiastic about pizza that he has an outdoor pizza oven in his backyard.
The problem with that explanation is that there is no reason to bring up a pizza stained handkerchief in an email. Does this guy need his handkerchief so bad that he has to get it sent to him?
Maybe he won't be to "the field house" for a while, and it's a nice handkerchief so he would want it back. There's a bunch of possibilities that are smaller leaps of logic than "They're talking about diddling kids"
Okay but that plus all the other things might lead to that. Stop trying to discredit it based on one single thing. Nobody is saying all this because of one email or one sentence
Sure it might. But this one piece is the one that I was discussing. Shall I discuss every single alleged piece of evidence every time the topic comes up?
There is some good stuff about this, don't get caught up on one little thing like this
Haven't found any of that yet. I respect that people are curious, but treating this like anything more than as something to be curious about is ridiculous
I imagine in your head this is "Checkmate, pizzagate is real!!!" Gotcha. Good talk
I went ahead and looked up the "he's lying about having a basement thing." So I assume you mean when he said in an interview that there's no basement at Comet Pizza. Then you're probably thinking that his statements in this article:
indicate there are a basement. He says tomatoes kept in a basement, did he say "tomatoes kept in the basement of Comet Pizza"? That doesn't prove.. anything
With what logic? What basement is he referring to and how do you know that? You're acting so condescending as if you have some kind of special insider knowledge, you don't know anything beyond a vague suspicion based on vague shit
There's a business next door called Politics & Prose that has a basement. Politics & Prose is not in the same building, though it is in the same complex, a few doors down. The whole strip of stores is kind of on a hill, so the ground level exit from Comet out back is on the same level as the *basement *exit from Politics & Prose, they both exit to the parking lot. Here you go, you can even look at it.
You're acting so condescending like "Ha, you can't provide me with a geological survey of this building. That means there's a global conspiracy of the power elite raping children." You have nothing, vague conjecture and some shit about the supposed existence of a basement.
You don't know shit either bud, ur just asking questions nobody can answer and thinking you're debunking shit. So fuck off. Also he posted pics of the basement being constructed dumbass hahaha. God ur trying so hard just relax
Considering he is talking about the pizza sauce he makes - regarding the episode of Diner 's , Drive - ins and Dives that took place at Comet Ping - Pong - and he states that he keeps it in " the basement " , and in that same paragraph refers to a line - up " from the front of the restaurant , down and around the corner " . For logistics reasons why would n't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site ? Are you really that dense ? Is your reading comprehension that bad?
For logistics reasons why would n't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site ?
I'm sure he does. I just doubt he keeps 10,000 tomatoes worth of it, dipshit. It'd be perfectly reasonable to keep such things in a storage facility, as many high-volume restaurants do
It's hilarious that you're so vehemently arguing these sort of meaningless details. If it's so obvious that there's a cabal of power-elite satanists raping and eating children, shouldn't you have a little more evidence? Shouldn't one of the thousands of patrons of Comet Pizza.. noticed that? Lol
Also Considering he is talking about the pizza sauce he makes - regarding the episode of Diner 's , Drive - ins and Dives that took place at Comet Ping - Pong - and he states that he keeps it in " the basement " , and in that same paragraph refers to a line - up " from the front of the restaurant , down and around the corner " . For logistics reasons why would n't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site ? Are you really that dense ? Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Haha it's proof he's a liar you're just desperately trying to win this. You're not even making good points. It proves he's lies... Its that simple bud. Good fuckin day
Lost the argument? You know stating your point over and over doesn't make you 'win' right?
You refer to photos of basement construction. I looked them up, there's literally sunlight coming in a doorway in one. Some basement huh?
You're so on about proving whether or not there's a basement that you have stepped back and thought what difference does it make? Even if he were lying about having a basement, so what? You need so much more than that, and you can't even inconclusively prove whether or not a room exists. Good luck proving the illuminati is eating kids
Nobody said it's enough to convict anyone dipshit, you said they didn't lie I'm saying they clearly did. He said he had a basement then said he didn't. Its a lie, you're wrong, I'm right. End of story. Look up the Info more carefully because you obviously just learned about this like a good boy. Now peace
He referenced keeping things in a basment. Never said where, no images of one, no building records, nothing. No one who's been there can say there's one, literally noting.
you don't have the article, do you? It's just something you heard about somewhere isn't it? It's funny, you're constantly referencing pictures, articles, text, and you never link anything. I've seen everything you're referring to except this article. I even found the "pictures of the basement" which could be pictures of any room under construction. With literal sunlight coming in the door of the so called basement. Go ahead and post it, you seem so determined to "win."
I mean if you prove this, you've proven the conspiracy is true right?
You've proven nothing. No source, no interest. I can tell you're really desperate to be right, which is why I know you don't have shit but thirdhand information you picked up off voat or something.
I didn't ask for the link moron. I was telling you that you can in fact link an article on mobile fuckwad. But you're too stupid to realize that moron. Moron.
This is what every believer in this theory says about every piece of evidence as each one is beyond weak and reaching. "Yeah but look at it with the others". No. A bunch of weak and reaching "evidence" doesn't make any of it more credible. But you hear it over and over. No single piece is worth defending, but all of the indefensible pieces together somehow should make you believe. It's a complete logic fail.
Haha ur a moron, that's the fact of the matter. There's no smoking gun just many pieces of the puzzle. Why did besta pizza change their logo? There's a million questions u don't have answers to.
You asked why they would change the logo. You're besta pizza. You hire some cheap graphic designer to create a logo. Then the whole pg insanity blows up and people are harassing you, your store and your customers claiming your logo is similar to a pedo symbol. Do you A) say fuck it and keep it or B) change it so the crazies will leave you alone? For any normal person, i think the clear answer is B. But it's pointless to argue with you guys.
You guys? This exact thing has happened before. With a pizza place and they found girls in the basement. Why are u acting like this is some extraterrestrial shit guy?
You fucking understand this - you get this. People around here thinks the only answers are the ones that supports these idiotic claims. And they take everything out of context not even bothering asking or looking for context.
My dad uses handkerchiefs and some of them was from his father with his initials embroded in them (on them?). These are one of the few things he has of his father that isn't stuffed away in storage. His father died early - age 52 - and he sees this as something important to him.
Point is, you never know. If someone left something at my house or a friends house I would ask tell them about it. You never know what an item holds of value to someone else. Assuming is stupid just because you would look at it as a piece of cloth.
Remember the watch from Pulp Fiction? Yeah, that kind of thing.
No. It was nice of Susan to email Podesta to inquire about whether he wanted his hanky sent to him (I mean, it's his property after all, so it was the polite thing to do for a friend).
But Podesta said not to bother. So, according to the conspiracy theory, Podesta carries round a handkerchief with an incriminating map on it, but this vital map is so unimportant to him that he just discards it without a second though and is quite happy to let this sinister evidence -- setting out the exact locations of serious wrongdoing -- fall into the hands of an outsider.
is being a pretentious rich guy that likes to wipe his mouth with a personal handkerchief REALLY more unlikely than him having a handkerchief that has a fucking treasure map to child prostitutes in a pizza dungeon?
one of those two possibilities I'm willing to bet money on being true, and the other possibility sounds fucking ridiculous.
The thing is - why send that much detail describing the "handkerchief." Why not just say - the realtor found a handkerchief is it yours?
The language does seem a little odd. Like it is code for something.
That being said - its still perhaps a little thin to draw conclusions. I bet if people scoured through anyones emails they could eventually start to see things that seem weird. Especially if inside jokes etc. could easily be misinterpreted.
That being said - what's up with the weird pedo art in that guys house? Is that for real? How can someone not know how weird that looks.
Come on dude, what kind of grounds for suspicion is a person's amount of detail when describing a random object? They probably were describing it so that Podesta could inquire into whether it actually was his handkerchief or not. Or, maybe, some people just write with a few more adjectives than you do?
And art tends to have more value beyond what's at face value, which you have to be aware of. Like, I saw an incredible museum exhibition over the summer about the depiction of prostitution in French art. If I tell a random person this they'd think I'm a fucking pervert for liking that kind of a show, but if you know about art history you'd know that many of the most prominent French artists of the 19th and early 20th century, like Picasso, Lautrec, Manet, Degas, and Van Gogh, explored these ideas at least at one point or another in their lives, so this lead to an all-star roster of incredible artists all exploring a similar theme that happens to be quite risque.
So, I dunno, I guess my answer is that we'd have to ask Mr. Podesta what he finds so interesting in that art before making judgement on that particular facet. It could be just because the artist is a big name (he is a collector after all), or he's looking at them from a humanitarian angle and finds this to be an important subject matter to support and spread awareness of.
I'm glad you're aware of how there are holes in this whole pizzagate argument. I won't shame anyone for being intrigued by the conspiracy, but all I ask is that you evaluate ALL possible angles (including the simple and innocuous ones) before accepting the cutely ribboned narrative that the conspiracy theorists have woven out of these random pizza-themed emails. I tend to lean on the side of skepticism myself, which leads to a lot of arguments whenever I'm on this subreddit.
Come on dude, what kind of grounds for suspicion is a person's amount of detail when describing a random object?
It's because the language seems weird and excessively detailed to me.
Take a second to envision what this lady is describing. A handkerchief that has a map on it that "seems pizza-related." What the fuck does that even mean. What would that look like? What would this item be? A map that has all the different pizza locations in town? Printed on a handkerchief nice enough that people that it was necessary to try to track down the original owner? Who would make such an item? There is no one that would make a map that is pizza related and then print that on a nice handkerchief.
It's absurd. Seriously, tell me how this pizza-related map silk handkerchief came into existenece.
it's a typo; they meant mark and autocorrect changed it to map. a pizza-related mark on a used handkerchief sounds pretty freaking reasonable to me. Go ahead, explain how a typo is ridiculous when a pizza sex dungeon handkerchief map isn't.
I dunno if auto-correct would do that. And the amount of typos in the email suggests auto-correct wasn't a factor here.
We've all done it: Meant one word and said or typed something completely different.
Looking back through my posts in this topic, I can see that I have done exactly the same thing on two occasions (giving the realtor's name as 'Kate' when it was 'Kathy' and typing 'though' instead of 'thought'). Both caused by not really paying attention.
The other thing that amuses me about this pizza map hogwash is the fact that Susan's email specifically refers to 'the kitchen island'.
Given the starring role of sinister secret islands in this entire rigmarole, it's pretty funny that no-one has yet woven that into a theory and instead everyone is making heavy weather of a fucking hanky.
Why on earth would auto correct change the word "mark" to "map"? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Auto correct works by taking a mispelled word and making it into a correct word. Mark is not a misspelled word, "mark" is a word spelled correctly, why why the hell would auto correct turn mark into map? I can type mark into my auto correct all day and it will never change it to map, that doesn't even make sense.
Why the hell would a pedophile keep a map of secret places they go to rape children on a fucking handkerchief that he haphazardly leaves behind and doesn't care to get back? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Obviously not. If they were efficient this stuff would have never come to light, but it did, because they were inefficient at operating a pedo ring. Thanks for further proving my point.
No, because there isn't a single piece of actual evidence that could prove any of this. A witness, a whistle-blower, any pictures or videos of any of these acts actually taking place. Everything is circumstantial, "so in so is connected to this pedophile so they must be kidnapping children and raping them in this pizza place."
This is how pizzagate works:
When I was a kid my old neighbor was a pedophile.
"Dane_Gleesac has ties to well-known pedophile!
His childhood neighbor was a convicted pedophile see [article that talks about my neighbor as a pedophile]
[Article where I talk about the neighborhood I'm from]
While he was in jail, Dane received money from the pedophile - $30 a week for mowing lawns - seems like a lot just for mowing a small lawn [image from Google maps of the house with the acreage of the house][article where I talk about mowing lawns throughout my neighborhood as a kid when people were away] could it be this money was for keep quiet?? $30 a week for 5 years is over 3000!!
Dane has a history of making questionable remarks about children [article quoting me talking about children that at face value means nothing but when you think I fuck kids could be deemed bad] [unrelated article where the author talks about my passion for children based charities] [article where said charity may have done something questionable but completely unrelated to child sex trafficking]
Dane is a pedophile previously on a pedophiles payroll, now works with charities with children - he's fucking kids in a pizza places basement.
There is no evidence there. It's all made up bullshit. Sorry but you're ridiculous for believing this shit. Good luck on your witch hunt
If there was nothing to it, there wouldn't be literal mountains of circumstantial evidence and other creepy shit going on. Is it true 100%? Who knows but just dismissing it would be stupid. If you don't think a group of powerful people could be participating in a pedo ring out in the open then I'm sorry but you're not very bright.
And you're not very bright if you get two DUI's, but we all have different opinions on different things. Good luck with your witch hunt, I just hope innocent people aren't hurt by you crazy fucks.
Haha, am I supposed to care that you're reading through my posts on other subs and using that info to attack me? Cause really I don't give a shit. You're just showing how pathetic you really are. Go read some more of my posts.
Auto correct works by taking a mispelled word and making it into a correct word.
Not that it really matters ("pizza-related mark" is a weird/specific way to phrase it, even if it is a totally innocent remark), but try a Windows Phone sometime. It'll happily learn to "correct" proper words - mine routinely replaces "if" and "in" with "I ", and more bizarrely will sometimes "correct" "sandwich" to "sandeich".
If autocorrect was being used how did "yorus" get through? I just tested autocorrect on my phone and it changes yorus to yours automatically. So that proves they weren't using autocorrect does it not? And I think it also demonstrates that you do think there is something weird about the use of the word map, since you are trying to find away to explain it away, which wouldn't be necessary if there was nothing weird.
I'm saying it's weird in the way the sentence "I was ducking your mother last night" is weird. Is it an typo, or did I serve your mother roast duck yesterday? r/conspiracy would be lead to believe I am an enthusiast for aviary cooking, while a rational human being would assume that I'm making an insulting remark regarding your mum that didn't get typed perfectly.
Autocorrect was clearly not being used. The word "yorus" is there instead of "yours," which autocorrect would definitely have picked up.
It seems to me you are more or less admitting that if they did in fact mean to say that the handkerchief had a map that seemed pizza related that is weird.
The thing is they did mean map. "Mark" is not a typo. It has more letters than the word map, and the letters r and k aren't next to the p.
I'm saying it's a typo because that's the most plausible explanation, but even if the guy was 100% lucid, sober, and in perfect typing ability when he typed the word map, that STILL doesn't mean that it's a map to a sex dungeon or covered in insemination or whatever other stupid shit you guys are fixated on. Some things can't be magically explained away with pedophilia conspiracy theories.
But you don't crack a code by inventing the cipher, which is what people are trying to do by finding some kind of way to connect "map" to something related to this whole pizza conspiracy.
You wipe your mouth with a handkerchief. Pizza goes in your mouth. Self explanatory.
Oh wait I forgot. The majority of you think its an incredibly incriminating mixture of rape blood and his semen, that is either used to make art with or used to capture the 'energy' of the act for literal demonic overlords. Jesus fucking Christ listen to yourselves.
Don't you think Podests has better things to do than giving explanations about a handkerchief to some conspiracy theorists?
Also even if he would give a reasonable and logic explanations most of those people wouldn't believe him Away and would take his statement as some sort of proof.
Really? You guys don't realize how insane this is to everyone beyond your bubble. A critical thinker can see it. Nobody sees it as something that warrants much or any discussion. I guess until somebody starts bringing guns into a pizza joint.
It's not a map to a dungeon it has the DNA of the one committing the act and the DNA of the victim so it will lead back to those two, hence the code word "map".
I don't think we'd be jumping to that conclusion if it weren't for all the other weird art, photos, and symbolism surrounding this that keeps pointing back to.pedophilia or little kids in some way or another.
I get where youre coming from, the emails themselves are nothing. Just an additional injection of 'strange' into an already bizarre situation. The more those pile up, the easier it is for people to jump to conclusions.
But art, instagram photos, and "symbolism" (whatever the fuck that means in this context) isn't enough either. You can still take these things literally. Podesta is an art collector and purchases big name artists to show off, a guy runs a family-themed pizza place and ends up in photographs with children, and there's no symbolism in real life; this isn't some hipster experimental movie.
Just keep an open mind and evaluate all evidence. Sometimes it feels like things connect when they don't. That's just how the human brain works, and you have to remember to look at things from all angles, even the less exciting ones.
By 'art', I'm referring to numerous illustrations of kids in bondage all over his house.
By 'symbolism' I'm referring to the symbol that the FBI recognizes as a code for 'little boy lover' being not only on display outside of the pizza place, but in a few other murals, websites, and pieces of art as well.
And the photos of children that I'm worried about are the ones labeled 'hoetard', the ones with references to 'kill rooms', the one where someone is pulling out a child's teeth, and the one with a little girl's hands taped to a table.
You're downplaying how weird all of those things are individually, much less together.
I am trying to keep an open mind. It took me awhile to give this conspiracy even a passing glance because it sounded so stupid. And I can't help but feel stupid for even talking about it. But all the same, these things are all unnerving as hell and I'm not just going to brush them off.
The dude is a collector, he has a lot of different art, and if you're into that scene you're used to seeing weird shit than most people (saying that as an art enthusiast myself). A lotta collectors are just playing pokemon cards and are trying to catch all the big names, and this artist is likely one of his targets.
And symbols don't mean shit. Some geometric shapes accidentally resemble other geometric shapes sometimes and accidentally carry the meanings of other interpretations. Examples: the swastika as a symbol of nazism and a hindi symbol of peace, random triangles vs the illuminati, and how the equation c=3 looks kinda like a penis.
and photos are photos. Some people say weird shit or take odd pictures that doesn't make sense without context. That doesn't invite you to invent a context to make it about pedophilia.
I get how intriguing this shit is and how fun it is to imagine uncovering a crime ring through an internet forum meme board, but you really should keep the eye of skepticism high for as long as you can. This whole mess still depends on a lot of assumptions and nothing concrete.
So, I get that high art can be weird. Kids in bondage crosses a line IMO. But if that was the only thing, I'd just let it go.
The pictures are weird, but similarly explainable. If THAT was the only thing, I'd just brush it off...
The symbols are actually what pedophiles use to identify each other. There is a purpose to using them. Maybe in this case it's just a weird coincidence. And if that was the only thing... you see where I'm going with this.
But they changed the symbol when people started calling them out.
Then you have the association between Clinton and that woman who was caught illegally smuggling children out of Haiti. Under the guise of humanitarian work... and her fake lawyer who's married to a wanted human trafficker...
Then you have convicted pedophile and rapist Jeffrey Epstein himself claiming to be a cofounder of the Clinton foundation. All for humanitarian purposes, naturally...
At what point do you consider it healthy be suspicious about all of this, as a package? I'm not pretending to have the answers. I recognize that many people here are taking this way too far and acting like fools. I'm not calling for anyones head or anything like that. And tbh I'd rather not be involved at all. But we have seen these types of pedo rings covered up time and time again... so I guess that's my only question- at what point do you start to take this seriously?
I don't see why it's shocking to get rid of a symbol when people point out that it might resemble something unintended. Like, what if I don't follow politics but I went into a store and saw a Make America Great Again hat, and thought "yeah! this is an encouraging message to get behind!" and bought it and started wearing it around? Then I walk around and people think I'm a trump supporter for wearing that cap. I'm gonna take the hat off because people are assuming I'm a trump supporter and I'm definitely not. The hat is a symbol for being a trump supporter to most, and I don't want to invent that association so I disassociate myself with the hat. Same thing here likely with this so-called pedophile symbol.
People and life is more complicated than this. Donald Trump is a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein, is Trump involved in this conspiracy? I've never heard him mentioned in any of these threads. Does the Clinton foundation provide millions of people with anti-HIV medication just for the sole purpose of hiding kid-smuggling activities? Is anyone who helps this humanitarian effort of fighting HIV through the Clinton Foundation implicated in this too?
Pedo rings are a real thing, and I would be fucking proud if someone's gonna find concrete implicating proof of some kind of trafficking ring accidentally through all this "investigating". But right now all I see is a bunch of armchair detectives pretending that if you find enough coincidences it becomes concrete evidence. This pizzagate shit is a joke that's been unconsciously invented by conspiracy theorists to dislike their hated liberal politicians even more, and there are better uses of people's time out there if they genuinely want to fight human trafficking.
By some accounts, Trump was involved in Epstein's pedo resort. One of his employees testified in court that he witnessed Trump receiving oral sex from two 12 and 13 year old girls. Trump has made comments indicating that he was at least aware of Epstein's activities before the news broke. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who visited Epstein's pedo resort island is suspicious. We have wikileaks to thank for morphing into a clearly politically motivated organization, which is why we may not be seeing anything about the right on this issue.
And no, not all humanitarian work is a guise for sex trafficking. But anything Epstein was involved in IS suspicious. And the woman smuggling children out of Haiti is just... well what else could you make of that, her lawyer, and the fact that Clinton herself came down to save her ass?
I do get where youre coming from. I'll even take your advice and slow my roll a bit. But these things don't get broken wide open on their own. Reddit isn't going to crack the case but somebody has to bring attention to it before anyone else will touch it. Otherwise, you never know, we'll look back 10 years from now saying 'how did we miss the signs while all these children were abused' just like everyone did with Saville, the Catholic church, and other high profile pedophile rings...
When all of the "coincidences" are all bundled up in emails that have to do with the clintons and other political people in "high" positions, yeah, I'm far more likely to believe that this guy want's a "hankerchief" back because he's into something far more disgusting. Lolita express??? Come on....
It makes even less sense to have all this connected by code words just for the sake of an actual innocent little piece of cloth to wipe someone's nose.
Golly gee, the emails of one of the heads of the Hillary Clinton campaign connect to the Clintons?!?!? And one of the most prominent politicians of modern American history has connections to "other political people in 'high' positions"?
The problem with all this is that none of these conspiracies make sense if you read these emails literally. A handkerchief is just a handkerchief. Pizza is just pizza. An art gallery is just an art gallery. And a pizza restaurant is a pizza restaurant. I so far have seen NOTHING that makes it difficult for me to read these emails as such, and I see a whole lot of freaking out over nothing because of it.
Fantastic, I'm happy you have such confidence in what they're telling you! It seems you can depart from r/conspiracy and be happy that things moving forward will always vindicate you and your belief! Yay!
Never mind Jimmy Saville, never mind all the other pedo rings of the past......this is just pure fiction!!!
Seriously, you don't have to respond anymore. I get where you're coming from now. Thanks.
Mate I wasted a good afternoon reading about this stuff and I saw a whole lot of rabble over nothing. If y'all actually were hunting down pedophiles I'd be thrilled, but all I see is a game of 6 degrees of kevin bacon where we try to find every possible way to connect a random DC pizza place to all the liberal politicians that right-wing redditors hate, on the assumption that there's a secret child prostitution dungeon somewhere in that pizza place because some emails about pizza from a clinton staffer's email account could be also about diddling kids if you replace the word pizza in every instance with child.
there are very productive ways to fight crime and trafficking out there, but pizzagate ain't it.
Hey you're welcome. I'm always happy to provide a more skeptical and rational viewpoint within this community, which tends to be more of an echo chamber of ridiculous narrative-spinnings. Not saying I'm necessarily right 100% of the time, but I think it's important to evaluate things from every possible angle rather than jumping to the most ridiculous thing, so we can reach a conclusion based on what still sticks after long debate.
I think you're wrong on the community. This places isn't for everyone. I've run into a few people who seem to be your speed. You have your own pace and idea on what is reasonable and you can only accept it one way.
You understand what the word subjective is, right? You just showed me where you are at. Your "rational viewpoint within this community" is.......SUBJECTIVE!!! To claim the title "rational viewpoint" is pretty funny.
R/conspiracy doesn't have to be more skeptical just to please you. Do your thing here but you're going to run into resistance when you come at people with the only "rational viewpoint within this community" attitude.
By rational I mean I try to lay as far on the skeptical side as possible, so that when I believe something I know for sure that there is no other reasonable possibility. Is that really so ridiculous?
Not at all. I understand. Your previous message was one that sounded like you were immune to manipulation or disinformation. Then, paired with claims that pizzagate is cut and dry not an issue, I saw a sort of arrogance without thinking of the potential to be swayed here. Reddit = social manipulation capital of the internet.
I only want to bring in more people and have them see this stuff. Now is not the time to claim its true OR false. It is technically speculation, but when paired with the efforts of a guy to "attack" CPP, a removal and change to the camera overlooking CPP only the day before and the total lack of coverage or attention to the details on behalf of your media, means.......we are up against an effort.
If there was nothing to this, the media wouldn't have to attack or discredit in any way shape or form. They could lay out the details for everyone and laugh the conspiracy movement into oblivion, but they do not. They don't let people decide, they chose to label and discredit. They ignore the details and mock the process. That should tell you enough.
Skeptical can mean you don't buy it right now, but you can't discount it either. But, whatever......you are where you are.
It's the same thing over and over. When each piece of "evidence" is easily explained, it is abandoned for "well yeah, but don't get hung up on this one piece. look at all of it." No, it doesn't work like that.
Hahahaha to me it sounds like the guy likes playing dominoes and is asking if he'd be better at it on cheese or pasta, as if those were performance enhancing drugs. Sounds like a stupid dad joke to me.
But all this is based on changing what was said into something else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the foundation of PizzaGate is the assumption that every time a Podesta email mentions pizza its code for something sinister.
So she hasn't actually seen the handkerchief in question (because the realtor has it).
The simplest explanation is that she talked to the realtor on the phone to tell here where the pillows are (discussed in the other part of the email), and they talked about the handkerchief, too.
I don't understand what people think is so strange about the handkerchief. There are handkerchiefs with maps (1, 2, 3) and there are pizza-related handkerchiefs (4, 5, 6, 7, 8), and lots of other pizza-themed merchandise. And there are maps that seem pizza-related (though that one isn't a handkerchief). What's so hard to believe about a handkerchief with a "map that seems pizza-related"? People are acting like she said she found a leprechaun with a pot of gold.
The simplest explanation is that she talked to the realtor on the phone to tell here where the pillows are (discussed in the other part of the email), and they talked about the handkerchief, too.
Yeah, maybe. I'm not overly wedded to a strict interpretation of all this, just showing how easily (and how probably) utter mundanities start seeming like crucial clues when you get into that suspicious frame of mind.
Well with the rampant inability to separate public and private affairs I completely agree that it is possible they send informal emails. Yet these emails are not complete gibberish as auto-correct often does. These are coherent albeit obscure phrasings, and in my mind are coded.
"pizza related marked handerkief" If it was simply a tablecloth with leftover food why the fuck wouldn't they throw it away?
Jesus fucking christ... these aren't "officials" in "public affairs".
This was a realtor in Martha's Vineyard (who appears to specialize in vacation rentals) e-mailing Sandler's daughter, who then e-mails Podesta.... who subsequently tells her that this crucial piece of DNA evidence (and conclusive proof of ritualistic child sex abuse) is "not worth worrying about". Call me crazy, but I'm thinking that Podesta would be very interested in getting the handkerchief back if it is as nefarious as you assholes say it is.
You guys are on to something, though... in the same e-mail, she talks about "the pillows you purchased". Pillows is widely known throughout the pedophile community as code word for fat kids. Did Podesta and Sandler's daughter purchase a bunch of fat kids at the Martha's Vineyard home?
He didn't need it back. His exact words were that it was "nothing to worry about"!
YOU guys are the ones making it out to be some semen rag encrusted with the blood of raped children. The realtor was just doing a common courtesy to see if somebody wanted it back.
It's what normal human beings do when somebody leaves something at their home. Regardless of value.
Because he likes it? Maybe it's nice? Maybe it was a gift or something? Maybe his dad owned it? By your line of thinking, why should a rich person ever attempt to recover any property that they have misplaced?
And again, any of these explanations are more reasonable than "global pedo ring cus handkerchief"
I was curious to see what the flavour of the month was so I looked into it because I am curious too.
It is all the definition of gish gallop that it should probably be renamed after pizza gate IMO.
It's vague enough they can project their own fears onto it (IT INVOLVES CLINTON!!! AND DA (((GLOBALISTS)))!! THE GAYS ORGANIZING IT!! WHO WORSHIP SATAN!!!!!) while they cherry pick what little non ludicrous shit they can find and use to twist around.
It is one thing to respect the concept of curiosity, another to respect people twisting tenuous facts to shove an agenda. Especially while people are traveling 5 hours with 3 guns, shooting in the establishment etc.
Even to be nice, given conspiracies aren't necessarily always ludicrous horseshit and guns aren't some intense evil that no person should haves access to: some advice for people who think pizza gate is real.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
If you think this is the abyss and they are all monsters, whatever. But do not become a monster yourself. Try to keep your beliefs safe for others including regular staff and patrons who are not involved in all this alleged high level machiavellian satanic pedophilia... Believe if you want but don't be stupid in your actions!
Depends what you mean by 'typo'. Yes, some typos are simply keyboard mis-hits.
But I think that you, or indeed anyone, would have to admit that there are occasions where you type completely the wrong word without noticing, and later cannot figure out what you must have been thinking at the time.
Everyone does this. It is completely normal. And the preponderance of other typos in the email supports the idea.
I can't prove it. But again, the fact of the matter is that 'Susan' hadn't actually seen the handkerchief she was writing about. So, how does the conspiracy theory account for that?
-the same typo 3 times? What makes you think 'map' is supposed to be 'mark'? That just seems like a guess on your part.
-why don't they just talk like normal people about the missing handkerchief? Why does it sound like they're obfuscating their messages when it'd be more simple and quicker to speak like a normal person?
I, however, do not read these emails and think "they must be talking about raping kids!"
I do agree that the emails are very odd. But the problem is one random person on 4chan outright made up a post tying certain key phrases in the emails into pedophilia related terms, which is how this whole thing blew up as a pedophilia conspiracy. None of it is based in reality, the terms don't mean what people here think they do.
It's a classic psyop: one person said "ice cream" means male prostitue and "hotdog" means young boy, and it got repeated here enough that people just bought it hook line and sinker without a shred of verifiable evidence to prove it.
Or it's just cheese pizza. The proof isn't there. Go ahead and give me the proof that these are child rapist code words that come from the FBI? That's been claimed with no evidence so I'm genuinely looking forward to it
Yea thats the real crazy part that EVERYONE is glossing over. Show me where those are "pedo terms" as they call them. No, one person said pizza means young girl and that was enough to start this whole thing. No one can provide proof that ANY of those terms are pedophile slang, but it doesn't fit the narrative, so we must be shills.
There's not exactly a glossary of "official" pedophilia terms, dude, but shit loads of people on the Internet know that cheese pizza is slang for child porn and way predates this scandal
Cheese pizza usually just means cheese pizza. Every pizza place on the planet has cheese pizza on the menu, but the vast majority aren't offering children to their customers.
Personally I don't 100% believe pizzagate is real. My point in this thread is to show that yes, these ARE terms recognized by people on the Internet. They didn't just pull the pizza thing out of their asses.
And I disagree. I think cheese pizza means cheese pizza, and I think a handkerchief (which I now know how to spell due to this thread) is just a fucking handkerchief that he left behind.
THE ULTIMATE VACATION HEAVEN, A 72 ACRE PRIVATE ISLAND OF YOUR OWN!
LITTLE ST JAMES BOASTS A STATELY GREAT HOUSE WITH FOUR BEDROOM PAVILLIONS, EACH SUPERBLY FURNISHED WITH FINE EUROPEAN AND HAITIAN ANTIQUES, A CHEERFUL KITCHEN, WHERE ZENNY, ( THE ISLANDS FABULOUSE CHEF ) WORKS HER MAGIC, AND A LARGE GREAT ROOM.
RATES INCLUDE ALL MEALS, WINE AND SPIRITS, ROUND TRIP TRANSFERS TO & FROM ST. THOMAS AIRPORT, DAILY MAID SERVICE AND USE OF THE ISLANDS TWO BOATS. THERE IS A SPARKELING FRESH WATER POOL, YOUR OWN WHITE SAND BEACH, LOTS OF REEFS TO SNORKEL, HIKING TRAILS ETC.
CHILDREN ARE MOST CERTAINLY WELCOME.....
Source:
http:// www. naplesnet .com /turks/crusviLstJames.html (copy/paste link and delete spaces)
dude... a kitchen island is the goddamned countertop in the middle of your kitchen. they aren't referring to a secret island where pedos keep their secret pedo handkerchiefs.
so by my being off base you were referring to me not being in an area fortified by the military, thus implying that you ARE in an area fortified by the military.
By your logic I've just proven that the pizzagate conspiracy theory is a DOD operation intended to discredit this sub. sound the alarms...
And they're shut in 4chan dwellers so they think everyone uses their child pron lingo and have no frame of reference for weirdo fringe artists who post strange photos and do weird performance art.
It's a generation of NEETs on the ultimate hunt for some good boy points.
It's sad to see it fester everywhere on here, I miss conspiracy before the far right politicized the vast majority of the subs content.
I am curious about the "Field house" it was found in by the "realtor" on a "kitchen island".
field house
noun
1.
a large building, often part of a college, that provides space for a variety of athletic facilities, such as basketball and squash courts, a running track, a swimming pool, exercise equipment, and often an indoor arena with spectator seating.
2.
a building usually adjacent to an athletic field and equipped with changing rooms, lockers, showers, etc., for those using the athletic facility.
It's on the first page. There are only two records with a street address on the first page, and one is on Harborview Lane. Check it against wikileaks email 18730 and you'll see that it matches.
Because it makes no sense when you read it literally. A 'good' code language should make sense when you read it literally, but should mean something totally different to the appropriate people. This is just sloppy language that makes no sense in any literal context. I suppose the person who wrote it could be mentally challenged - but considering these "codewords" appear in several different emails, it establishes a trend of using phrases that make no sense.
I didn't say that it ABSOLUTELY means anything CP related (altho i think it does); but the most logical explanation is that it is code words
I don't think it's that confusing. They found a handkerchief it had a map(typo for mark?) that seems pizza related. It's the most boring email in the world.
Is that really your threshold for calling something code? If you don't understand it, it must be code?
And you treat it as established fact that pizza is an operative word. There's no evidence of that. You may speculate but there is absolutely no hard evidence.
Bullshit- it appears in several emails. And yes - that is exactly my threshold for code. If it makes no sense and it is repeatedly used in sentences that make no sense, either the person doesnt know what the word means or it is code. And since everybody knows what pizza is, you can go fuck right off for trying to act dumb
Ok, let me get this straight. If it confuses you and it's used several times, it is code. You seem to know a lot about code talk. Can you show me example of when you used that method(something confusing used more than once) and it did indeed turn out to be code? Has that ever worked for you?
I'm sorry - I misspoke. I only see pizza used maybe twice. However, there seems to be a common use of 'food' (not just pizza) repeatedly in places that the context makes no sense. It was hard finding one place with all the emails while on the go, but I just quickly pulled up this website that seems to detail a bunch of them:
P.S. When I use code, i make sure the sentence makes sense to a normal person reading it, but it is assumed that the people that I am really talking to KNOW what I am talking about. Its like using an inside joke for your friends while you are talking to an unsuspecting bystander. Its quite easy
I don't find the connection between food and child sexual exploitation that convincing. I have no reason to believe that they are speaking in code. In fact, I think it's pretty obvious that they are just taking about food.
I think that people are seeing what they wan to see. Finding patterns where none exist. Tens of thousands of emails and only a few oblique references to food that sound slightly odd. That's what we have. No witnesses. No known victims. No DNA evidence. No video or audio evidence. No financial records to suggest a massive pedo conspiracy. In other words, not a single piece of evidence that could be presented in a court of law.
If you are going to accuse someone of pedophilia and child rape (!), you better have some evidence. Otherwise it's a witchhunt and a politically motivated one at that.
I already said, theres no indication that they are discussing CP in any way- but I disagree with you that it isn't code- playing dominos on pasta makes no sense. Don't necessarily know what the words mean, but they don't mean them literally
Playing on pasta or cheese. It means would you rather play dominoes while eating pizza or pasta? And here's a background email on them playing dominoes previously: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34860
There is no evidence. Nothing. You look through tens of thousands of emails and this is all you have. Not a single thing. There is as much evidence of a pedo sex ring as there is of a dog fighting conspiracy. Maybe pizza is code for dog and dominos is code for fighting? Why not? People are just making shit up.
Well, you're right about one thing - there is no evidence (in the form of a picture or video ect). But there are just little hints and sprinkles of clues/cues littered all around. People and places are tied together in funny ways. Some people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is history behind it, at least decades worth that brings us to this weird culminating place. This is an investigation, and they are the suspect. Something weird is going on, and people are looking into it.
And I already said, I wasn't bringing CP into it; just the fact that the phrases appeared code-sounding to me. But for some reason you keep bringing it up; its kind of interesting, really
You keep retreating. Now it's just "something weird is going on" but you have no idea what it is. So what is pizzagate about then? Weird things of unknown significance? Maybe we should call slightlyoddemailphrasinggate. To better reflect what we are doing here. Sprinkled clues of what? About what? You have no fucking idea.
I'm sorry - I misspoke. I only see pizza used maybe twice. However, there seems to be a common use of 'food' (not just pizza) repeatedly in places that the context makes no sense. It was hard finding one place with all the emails while on the go, but I just quickly pulled up this website that seems to detail a bunch of them:
Marines chant about killing children all the time. Iconic Marine Corps Cadences include:
Napalm Sticks to Kids
French fried eyeballs and baby ribs.
Napalm sticks to kids like glue,
It sticks to me and it sticks to you.
Drop some Napalm from the sky,
And watch those kiddies DIE DIE DIE!
So, shall we dissect the Marine Corps for child murder? No, lots of groups talk a lot of shit, somehow its an approved element of their camaraderie. Its not proof of crimes committed.
Pizzagate is a sideline. The real issue is that there are already proven cases, and the FBI admits there is an epidemic:
The FBI's Joseph Campbell says child exploitation in the US has reached near-epidemic levels. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-33682953 “The level of pedophilia is just unprecedented right now,” Campbell said. “We have so many cases constantly of individuals in all walks of life, from the very wealthy … to all other levels engaged in child pornography, child exploitation … it just seems to be almost an at epidemic level.”
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It seemed like a typo not code. Hmmmm what's a possible typo? Pizza related mark. Oh. Think I have gotten something that IS SURELY TRUE. NICE TRY CONSPIRACY TARDS
I agree it seems very likely that it's code. Who would make a "pizza map" let alone care about it enough to have it sent to them?
That being said, it's an enormous, enormous leap from that to "pizza" meaning a map of a pedophilia ring that implicates the highest reaches of American government. It's crazy to me how many people are so willing to accept such a far-fetched conclusion on such little evidence.
Yes it's theoretically possible that something like that exists. But such a monumental claim should be backed by monumental evidence. Not wildly speculative Da Vinci code clues allegedly left by the organizers of the ring.
I don't know why people are having such a hard time with this. I can totally imagine someone having a very in depth conversation about where to find the best area pizza. Especially someone who is pretty into Italian food in general like podesta seems to be. It isn't too hard to believe that they would sketch out a quick map if they were trying to explain where a few places are to someone who isn't familiar with the area. The simplest explanation is usually the best one.
Yeah, that's definitely not out of the question. My point is more that even if it was actually a code, that's still not reason to jump to it being a code for a pedophilia ring. People like Podesta have plenty of things to be secretive about that do not involve pedophilia.
Another thing everyone should realize is that this asshole can't conduct that kind of business there anymore because he knows everyone's watching him so the smart money is on him finding a new place.
Let's pretend this is as innocent as someone finding a handkerchief on someone's kitchen island...as reported... and wanted to return it to its rightful owner.
What I'm not understanding is, why would the realtor (who found it) even THINK a 'pizza' motif handkerchief be owned by Podesta in the first place? It's so random and weird.
I mean, I can see Colonel Sanders leaving some chicken handkerchief behind and someone thinking it was his but why the hell would a former chief of staffer be associated with pizza?
Without the conspiracy spin, it just doesn't make any sense!!! The conspiracy spin at least gives it legs for phuck sake!! ;)
I can't make sense of it either. That's why I haven't actually formed an opinion about what it means. The widely accepted explanation for that single email was a post on 4chan by one user who posted their interpretation of what those words mean.
Bottom line is that it's obviously code, but we don't know what that code is. I'd like to see more theories about it, and something more credible for the interpretation than one post on 4chan.
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Most people send emails from their phones. Also, there is literally a black and white handkerchief with a "pizza" map you can purchase. I know, because I got it for my friend from New York for Christmas, mostly as a joke.
They came up with some kind of code language when talking about things like "pizza" and "pasta" and "dominoes", but you think they actually were referring to this literal map on a hanker-chief product shown? did you just google that and find the first thing? That might work if you were to not include any other details about the entire issue.
I actually bought one similar like 2 weeks ago, that's how I know about it. I haven't read the other emails, but everyone said this was the worst one, so I wanted to comment on an easier idea. What do the other emails say?
It's like the old joke "What do pizza and sex have in common? Even when they're bad, they're still pretty good" or however you may have heard it related.
There are so many more damning parts to this puzzle. Its not that big of a stretch to imagine a silk handkerchief w a map of Italy on it, like the place mats of every Italian restaurant. Just saying, this is not "proof"
I've never heard of these handkerchief pizza maps or code before but people keep saying, good people, smart people.... (sorry couldn't help myself.) that Pizzagate is reaching for clues that aren't there. Well I can tell you for certain that if someone wanted to paint me as a Pedo, there is absolutely nothing in my past, online history, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, etc. that would give them that idea about me. Seems everywhere you look with this guy, it's one weird thing after another.
Why is it so hard to believe that there could be such a thing as an actual black and white handkerchief with a map and something about pizza? Businesses make bandanas ALL THE TIME for marketing/PR. I have a cousin who has a company that 90% of what they make are custom-made hats, t-shirts and yes BANDANAS (a.k.a. handkerchiefs) for businesses. Lots of businesses put a map with their location on their promotional materials, including their bandanas. Why is it so hard to believe that John Podesta had a promotional bandana from a pizzeria (white bandana with black printing or black with white printing) that had in part, a map showing the location of the pizzeria? Maybe he had been there, or maybe the owner had given it to him or maybe it was in some sort of marketing gift bag or who knows? There are literally 1,000s of possible explanations that are INFINITELY more plausible than “code for an international pedophile ring involving top political officials”.
Even at it's most innocuous, these people are still weirdos. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF SOMEONE MISPLACED THEIR HANDKERCHIEF? You should not hold positions of power if this is a priority.
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.
Y'all need to seriously chill on the pizza shit for real before someone gets hurt. There is obviously a code. There is no evidence of anything beyond that everyone just simmer.
For you that believe, tell me where the code word "map" is substantiated as "semen" anywhere. It's not covered in the handkerchief code. Nor is pizza, pasta, hot dog, ice cream, dominos, etc. The only words covered by the handkerchief code are "black" and "white."
Given the wealthy are much more likely to own, and carry, hankercheifs, I picture it meaning someone left their fancy black and white hanky that someone drew a map to the pizza place on, behind.
The connected person who's twitter header says "You and Pizza" (nonsensical) and profile says "Keeping D.C. Cheesy" (WTF is the context?)
The person then made their tweets PRIVATE once news broke and removed last name and location from their profile. Why do you need to hide your tweets? Just stay off twitter or mass block all the nutty conspiracy trolls. This is the defensive behaviour of someone who believes they have something to hide. Any other person would laugh it off and go about their life.
OH! I know guys... Let's wait 4 more years and vote someone else into office that will stop this covering-up and help the people/children of America once and for all. Oh wait... that never happens.
Has anyone been able to find out more about James? Like where did he grow up etc?
His name is spelled like 90% the same as how you would say "I love children" in French. I'd like to know if he chose that name a couple of years ago or something.
yes, because his realtor is also in on it, BUT she is not sure whether he'll care about leaving it behind, or if he wants it. Makes sense, right? Or maybe it is an expensive looking handkerchief with a map of italian food on it? That a rich italian might carry around? Impossible? Occam's razor? If that is the one thing you can't get your head around, then basically you know that PG is fake.
There are two people being quoted, one who calls it black and white (realtor), one who calls it a pizza-related map (susan). Susan does not think it is important in that he may not be interested in getting it back. Realtor calls it black and white, Susan who looked at it closer sees it has a map on it with pizza of some sort. I mis-characterized who doesn't care, but it makes no difference. If your assertion is correct that this is a semen-stained DNA map to podesta you think it is normal Susan doesn't think he will care about it? And you think it is more likely that it is semen rather than an actual map printed on a hanky?
I don't know what you mean by "first email", there is only one, with 3 quoted replies in it. The "first one" actually says nothing at all about this, it is all details about houses. The second is an email from Kate to Susan saying she found a hanky. The third is from Susan to Podesta asking him if he wants it.
I didn't see any attachments on the email that would indicate that she has looked at it "closer", as you say.
she describes it in more details than "black and white", so it stands to reason she looked at it and described some detail about it to identify it to podesta.
Who the fuck said anything like that? You're just making things up now. I have to ask if you are mental to get anything like that out of what has been said?
Uh ok, so you believe it is just a normal handkerchief that podesta left on a counter? So do I, so we agree.
It has nothing to do with pizzagate, has nothing to do with anything illegal, and is just some stupid email some troll at 4chan trotted out to make up a good story.
Trust me, I didn't make anything up, I am pointing out that PG is made-up (which is not hard to do).
I don't know why you keep talking about attachments, I never said a picture or attachment once. I don't even know what your point is. He left left his handkerchief in a house he visited, case closed. You think there is "something strange". OK, well, once you can elucidate come back and tell us what.
Good thing the quarter is almost over... oh wait. You didn't purge it every quarter. you still have 6+ months worth of data. You are a bit late. I can remind you every quarter if you need it. It is merely a simple script away.
I would have never believed it either, but I've heard way too many first hand testimonials throughout the years from victims and police involved. I've audited cases that make my stomach hurt. None of this is new, it's just not considered consumable on TV. Hell, I know a guy who raped multiple children, did 3 years and is back in his mansion. You think he stopped? I doubt it. He has money, connections, and personal security. Fucking Sandusky...you think that ONE kid was fucked in the showers the day before he was arrested?? FUCK NO! That shit was going on for years and EVERYONE knew! I mean the guy didn't even hide it. One of my ex's had a pedo in their family and it went unaddressed until I became aware of it...we divorced shortly after. People are fucked up and will defend the most heinous activities...
I actually bought one similar like 2 weeks ago, that's how I know about it. I haven't read the other emails, but everyone said this was the worst one, so I wanted to comment on an easier idea. What do the other emails say?
It appears to be his kid, but I won't post more than the following. Supposedly, I read he was the godfather. Also, they are not public figures. I would be banned posting private information. This is just what has been shown before.
http://archive.is/9FN8n This is the picture you are referencing. It has a hashtag #carisjames. Assuming that is the name of the child, because it comes up every time the kid was posted.
Haha it's proof he's a liar you're just desperately trying to win this. You're not even making good points. It proves he's lies... Its that simple bud. Good fuckin day
Also, the fact that you received reddit gold makes me VERY suspicious of you. Most, if not all, r/conspiracy folks know that gifting reddit gold is the most stupid thing to do, given how the money ultimately ends up with u/spez and his pedo masters he covers for.
That was actually a nice read. In fact, I think I may have stumbled onto something. From your "reference written by an actual professional":-
Against the combined historical voices of medical history, which proclaim ‘There is no injury and no infection! Lest the body snap, hadn’t the hysteric better snap out of it?’, we are challenged not to ignore this anguish. Bourgeois is undoubtedly tapping into Freudian analyses of the hysteric, heavily overwritten by notions of dysfunctional female sexuality. The emasculated male form here both questions and ridicules this tradition.
So Louis Bourgeois apparently uses Sigmand Freud's psychoanalytical research as his inspiration... Oh my, are we talking about the same Freud family which is now being REKTED with pedophile scandals? Remember Sir Clement Freud?
Please, another assumption and not backed up by anything relevant to Louise Bourgeois reasoning for the creation of the Arch of Hysteria. Hysteria, has a history of being associated with demonic possesion. Doesn't show anything.
Read your own reference:-
The arch of hysteria was diagnostically indistinguishable in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries from that of tetanus. Whether or not a pain was taken seriously by the medical profession might come down to whether that pain was ascribed to an emotional imbalance or a physical disease.
Seriously, what the fuck you do think constitutes emotional imbalance? "Demonic possession" in older times in majority of the cases was a disguise for conditions resulting from lifelong abuse by older family members, religious priests and whatnot.
All types of abuse are damaging to children—physically, emotionally, and psychologically—and can cause long-term difficulties with behaviour and mental health development.
This reminds me, have you as of yet seen this poster for one of Comet Ping Pong's concerts, which very clearly depicts out of body experiences that children have when experiencing extreme abuse??? And then you come in here with your anti-conspiracy guns blazing accusing us of nothing but conjecture??? Seriously, bugger off.
EDIT: Forgot to address your response regarding Abramovic.
She responded to his brother. John was not involved in this. She was asking for Tony to bring his brother. John never responded...
That does not solidify your position that he did NOT attend. It's left up to speculation and I would actually hazard a guess he did, given how he likes to "cook" as you yourself acknowledge.
But we know that the Arch of Hysteria is specifically depicting Dahmer’s victims, not just someone suffering an ailment, because the statue has been decapitated, just like Dahmer’s victim was.
This hypothesis doesn't hold water, considering that there's a photo in Geberth's book "Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation 2nd ed" [EXTREMELY NSFW] that shows the victim in the same pose from a different angle, and he's clearly still in possession of his head.
Not to mention the fact that that the 81-year-old Bourgeois would have needed access to these photos sometime between the end of the trial (2/15/1992) and when the Arch of Hysteria piece was completed in 1993. Highly unlikely, given the fact that there was no "web" to really speak of until 1994, and these photos weren't published in Geberth's books until years after the piece was completed.
Now the Podesta Bros may have purchased the piece due to the similarities to Dahmer's "work"... I don't fucking know, that would be pure speculation. But to claim that Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer while creating this piece is an absolute stretch at best... unless this little old lady traveled from NYC to Milwaukee in 1992 for a personal showing from Capt. Ferrier's ghoulish photo collection.
So as with everything in pizzagate, we're expected to swallow ridiculously tenuous "evidence", and act like it's a smoking gun.
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194 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
105 fastcompanyaccount 2016-12-05
That sentence is indeed much more difficult to explain.
But so far the biggest thing has been James Alefantis having a photograph of a statue that is an ode to pederasty as his Instagram profile. Nothing can top that.
56 cuatro-20 2016-12-05
There's a lot of little things like that that are just off and when all the little things are added up it looks MIGHTY suspicious. No 100 percent hard evidence and people are trying to discredit it because of that, but if you research all of the information there, it's pretty obvious something very fishy is going on to anyone that isn't afraid to make their own inferences.
45 fastcompanyaccount 2016-12-05
Have you seen that Majestic Apes music video? Who in their right mind would hire such a band to play at a pizzeria for kids?
Do you hear what the crowd screams during their "performance"? About Alefantis liking children ("everyone has their own preferences")
It's just too many coincidences, too much information. There is no way in hell there's nothing behind this.
26 cuatro-20 2016-12-05
No fucking kidding, it's some creepy stuff. You're preaching the the choir man... It will all come crashing down soon enough.
18 2icebaked 2016-12-05
God I really hope SOMETHING happens. Judging by the way things are looking so far I gotta say I feel discouraged. I too am convinced that there is some fuckery going on but I'm not quite convinced that anyone involved will ever even acknowledge the allegations, let alone see the inside of a jail cell.
5 zedthehead 2016-12-05
I don't even care if people are punished for past crimes- you can't change the past- I just want people to wake up enough that we as a society can stop it in the present and prevent it in the future.
3 2icebaked 2016-12-05
If they aren't punished then how will there be positive change? If they acknowledge the fact that they did these things, they need to be punished or else they will try to change the consensus. This all needs to come to light and everyone involved needs to answer for what they have done. Damning evidence needs to lead to arrests.
1 d3rr 2016-12-05
That's a great point.
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1 djklbd 2016-12-05
I disagree, I don't believe pizzagate is a psyop, or we wouldn't be seeing this massive media clamp-down censorship campaign on our findings. Keep invesitgating.
-1 d3rr 2016-12-05
Damn, wow. Someone should read all of the lyrics from all of these bands.
4 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
What the FUCK. Thanks for watching that so I don't have to. I enjoy sleeping at night.
1 Bing_bot 2016-12-05
The name Comet Ping Pong, CPP can allude to Child porn production!
12 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
After he was nearly beaten to death by David Brock's ex-bf there were many accusations of pedophilia levied at Alefantis and Brock...so much so they paid $850,000 in bribes to the abusive ex-lover, William Grey.
6 bombsaway1979 2016-12-05
source?
5 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
...
pdf.
greasy details../rumormill.
6 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-05
Except that the article you just linked states:
And the PDF seems to indicate Grey was sued for blackmail and that Grey responded with a denial of those claims. It would be pretty ballsy to pay blackmail money regarding pedophilia and then attempt to sue your blackmailer. Kind of defeats the purpose of paying your blackmailer, don't you think?
1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
Unless you too are culpable of the same crime. This was a very public fight among Brock, Grey and Alefantis. The term pedophile and boy fucker was tossed around quite a bit. Unless there is an investigation, allegations are just allegations.
1 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-05
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/27/media-matters-boss-paid-former-partner-850g-blackmail-settlement.html
10 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
There was the one sexually suggestive photo of the girl with her hands tied down and the guy standing right behind her lined up so it looked like "that", that was a big wtf moment for me. Along with the Jeffrey Dahmer-esque statue and naked children art in Tony Podesta's house.
5 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-05
If you are already looking through pizzagate glasses, it looks like that. If not, it's just people amusing a little girl who was maybe a wiggle worm or something.
3 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
Your rationalizations are obscure and weird. The Instagram is actually exhibit A for why so many people are suspicious of this, myself included. That's what caused me to get really suspicious at first. Also you neglected to mention why Tony Podesta has multiple pieces of art depicting naked children at his house while there is a statue of a headless person in the same position a serial killer placed his victims.
9 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-05
Explain how. I found the Instagram stuff weird myself until I realized it's a rock n' roll pizza joint catering to hipster parents. The most disturbing one was #hotard until I realized that was one of the guys' nicknames. After that, the rest of the pictures only look sick if you're coming at it with confirmation bias. Just like the clip of Biden supposedly telling a 13 year old girl she makes him horny (which is not what he said).
(1) it's not the same position as a Dahmer victim, the legs are very different; this one is floating, the Dahmer victim was propped up in an arch on the floor and his shins were flat. In fact, it has nothing to do with Jeffrey Dahmer or any serial killer. Since you are repeating this false claim, I can only wonder how "naked" the children portrayed in his art really are. Edit: nevermind, I found the art in question and it's equally non-disturbing, imo.
(2) art is often weird, so what — if I had his kind of money, I would collect some weird fuckin' art, believe me. We have 4 pieces of "big eye" art in our place we had before the Big Eyes movie came out. The kids all look sad, but it is cute and weird. Both my wife and I just like it, probably because we're sort of jaded but innocent at heart. To you, this art would probably be proof we're sick pedophiles, but if that's the case then a whole lot of people were pedophiles in the 70s because this kitsch stuff was very popular.
PS - I also really like Al Columbia.
1 d3rr 2016-12-05
Gotta love a contrarian, much value provided.
1 one2-3 2016-12-05
I just started reading about this please tell me everything. Or where do I start looking to see what's going on where do i start?
2 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
All the instagrams have been scrubbed, and lots of the Chan posts were deleted, I'd say look around at this sub. I take it with a massive grain of salt but give some of the high-profile pedophilia scandals in the past few years and including the GIANT UK soccer one going on right now, I think there's a kernel of truth to some of it.
2 fastcompanyaccount 2016-12-05
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate
10 FieldReportFrank 2016-12-05
I have something that I've found directly tied to Alefantis I'd argue could be worse if not strengthening proof. What's the safest way to show it? It's not archived but screenshoted and now access isn't possible
6 The_Nisshin_Maru 2016-12-05
Try voat
4 fastcompanyaccount 2016-12-05
Voat has a sub dedicated to Pizzagate. Reddit doesn't anymore. Hmm.......
3 Zukb6 2016-12-05
Wikileaks
3 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Source?
24 fastcompanyaccount 2016-12-05
https://www.instagram.com/jimmycomet/
Look at his profile pic.
What is that statue of? That' right, an ancient Roman ode to pederasty, located in the Museo del Prado in Madrid.
11 [deleted] 2016-12-05
...Okay that is certainly one of the creepiest things I've seen yet...
13 AnEndgamePawn 2016-12-05
The argument against it is that Hadrian commissioned hundreds of Antinuous statues after Antinuous' death so statues of him are very common today.
My argument against that argument is when you search "Antinuous Museo del Prado", you can't find that picture. So it isn't hard to assume that Alefantis personally went to the Museo del Prado, took a picture of that statue, and set it as his Instagram's profile picture. And that Instagram is completely filled with pictures of kids and sexually graphic pizza images. It's just too much, I don't see how anybody can defend that.
8 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
These guys are all about art. They know exactly who/why/what the iconography displays. Pederasty is alive and well in the pizza kingdom.
3 RR4YNN 2016-12-05
But isn't Instagram fake news?
3 worktheshoot 2016-12-05
If this pizzagate stuff is not ture then James Alefantis has the WORST in regards to what he posts on his social media. At the very least he is a real idiot.
2 y64h78g9i74d8 2016-12-05
That is what stood out to me as well as the weirdest part of the entire thing so far, I'm watching from a distance but that is pretty hard to brush off.
1 NevrEndr 2016-12-05
to me the weirdest thing is the picture of the girl taped to the table that is a dead ringer for Maddie Mccann.
Even if it is not her (because clearly you'd have to be a fucking idiot to post that on social media). The girl looks nearly identical to MM. It's just so creepy.
1 whatsreallygoingon 2016-12-05
My hypothesis is that they are creating an army of Soros descendants. If so, then she could be related to MM.
0 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
That's not REMOTELY difficult to explain. Let's give it context with slight adjustment to the wording. Last time we played Dominoes, I sucked. Do you think I'll do better playing after a couple shots of Jack Daniels than I did blown on out weed like last time?
2 djklbd 2016-12-05
wut?
0 fdajj 2016-12-05
Naw it's far more likely they are talking about having sex with children then drugs. Who uses code words for drugs?
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
Certainly none of the people I know who sell trees.
1 fdajj 2016-12-05
Yah people usually don't for weed. Although I have known people (very few) who do. Like Henry for an eighth (Henry the eighth). That guy was kind of dumb though.
-9 -Teekey- 2016-12-05
Not really. That entire conversation just sounds like dweeby old people.
36 talented 2016-12-05
This is the back story to dominoes: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34860. The guy apparently lost badly playing dominoes to Susan. Made reference to the podesta playing style. Podesta was sending pasta to his friends but instead sent cheese this time around.
So the guy asks whether he will play better with podesta's pasta vs cheese, because he received pasta before and lost when he played. Nothing weird about it. You guys are fucking idiots.
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16 talented 2016-12-05
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings with actually reading all the links and backing up my statements. Let's just let all the newly created accounts upvote themselves about a conspiracy and not question the real conspiracy in this sub...
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49 talented 2016-12-05
What circumstantial evidence? Because, you guys are full of shit. Most of you on here are propagandists with newly created accounts for the election. You may have seen me on Pizzagate getting downvoted if you actually read the source material....
The statue is the Arch of Hysteria. Not based on Jeffrey Dahmer victims. The art of the kids in his house is a famous artist, and yeah if you find liberal art offensive you will be offended.
One of the girls on the Instagram photos is the daughter of their Event Organizer at Comet Ping Pong.
The pizza place next door: the logo has one more side than the pedo sign and the sign isn't uncommon but also sold as stock logos 1 2 It is a simple geometric design, easy to make a mistake like that. Some of the other logos in pizzagate is a standard double paddle that is used all over ping pong places and the heart from a neighboring business is a heart used for Hart of Autism.
Most references to italian food, pizza, walnut sauce, cheese is because John Podesta is part Italian and loves to cook for everyone. http://www.rodale.tv/video/john-podesta-can-cook
The pedo code words were made up on 4chan by a troll and people went with it, because kids are stupid.
L'Enfant referenced in some videos and images from instagram refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Charles_L%27Enfant who runs a well known bar in DC http://www.lenfantcafe.com/
Everyone knew Jeffrey Epstein because he was heavily involved in politics, even Trump http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/ ""I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.""
Handkerchiefs do have maps you know... It's not an odd thing: https://www.google.com/search?q=handkerchief+with+maps&client=ubuntu&hs=26d&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibqPjpyLHQAhVijVQKHVBfAocQ_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=680
The little girl in the video, they were just referencing it because the caption mentions pizza. Something an owner of a pizza place would do
The photo of the fake baby with a price was a reference to a doll being sold at a store and they were making fun of it.
Spirit Cooking is from a marina abramovic which is an Art event of sorts in which many famous personas have seen. Everything is simulated not using real blood, semen, etc. Also, John Podesta never responded to attending but only his brother. Unless you are christian, or easily offended by Death Metal, you probably don't care about this.
Comet Ping Pong hosts many types of events, which including politicians raising money.
16 UnseenPresence2016 2016-12-05
This post should be shown to a TON of people around here. Not necessarily even to deny this as being a thing--but just to point out how research SHOULD be done. Because now if people want to argue against your points, they at least have solid things to argue ABOUT. Well done.
Most ESPECIALLY in a subreddit such as this one, where looking at things critically--VERY critically--should be the top goal.
7 ridethelemniscate 2016-12-05
Half of his points are opinions only. Nothing to do with research. They barely scratch the surface of what's out there as well.
5 talented 2016-12-05
Please scratch the surface with the real connections other than vague connections with the standard degrees of separation in our social networks.
5 ridethelemniscate 2016-12-05
What proof to the contrary do you have besides your personal opinions? You know in a legal setting proof is something like a physical alibi, or the testimony of a professional psychologist that specializes in pedos and serial killers and knows what kind of art they would and wouldn't collect, perhaps a special investigator who can say for sure what code words pedos use and do not use. Are you qualified to comment in any of these ways? Then your proof is just opinions.
2 talented 2016-12-05
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
You ask for professional insight against #pizzagate but not for it? Hypocrite. I don't just provide you with opinions, I actually counter with the facts that have been laid out. I had better conversations on /r/pizzagate than this. Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about.
2 ridethelemniscate 2016-12-05
Until you can professionally disprove it you are on the same level as all the other speculators, that's that
1 talented 2016-12-05
That is the real joke isn't it. Pizzagate is and has been speculation with no basis in reality. I just reveal it for what it is to all the idiots, by using their own sources. A person such as yourself can only believe in this if you already had preconceived notions.
2 ridethelemniscate 2016-12-05
Again you have no proof on whether or not it has basis in reality. How can you be so sure? And if you are a decent person, you would extend some reasonable doubt towards something that may involve innocent children's lives getting ruined. Instead of dismissing it outright without evidence on your part either. You just can not claim that it's nothing at this point. I agree with you that not every piece of evidence may be relevant or anything at all. But at the very best some of this stuff points at individuals in positions of power with some very bad and immature taste. I have a fine arts degree and I agree that spirit cooking is most likely nothing but weird conceptual art. But here are these people with huge amounts of power and responsibility enjoying what amounts to graphic representations of cannibalism and torture. The art world has long become a money laundering bubble. I mean I'm talking about the kinds of money that one would kill a human over. At the very least this swarm of elite artists/politicians/celebrities are just obviously out of touch with what normal is and it is really really not a stretch of the imagination that some of them would engage in real dark activities.
12 sh3rog 2016-12-05
Why is hotard an appropriate label for an infant?
And don't say its a joke, because yeah its a joke a fucking pedophile would make but not one a normal person would
1 talented 2016-12-05
I need to look at the image again of the instagram. But I would need to see the context. I am not here to defend people anyway. I just remember that they would communicating through the comments as well. It could reference the image or someone or something someone said in the image.
3 sh3rog 2016-12-05
Yes it clearly references the only thing in the image, an infant. That is the context...
5 talented 2016-12-05
I don't see you backing up your statement with a link
3 sh3rog 2016-12-05
Lol ok so you haven't seen all the evidence. Do your own thinking
4 talented 2016-12-05
Pathetic. You can't even back up your own statements. I have seen it, but if you want me to give you a firm "reason" for why someone does something. That is patently ridiculous.
Here is your reference you fucking idiot: https://i.sli.mg/2FyXrV.png His friend called him hotard and then returned the favor.
3 sh3rog 2016-12-05
That's one way to look at it
Another is that he is calling the baby an accessory and a hotard. That's the one I'm going with
2 talented 2016-12-05
This is what it says for those of you too lazy to look at an image like this guy:
3 sh3rog 2016-12-05
Which could still be interpreted as him calling the infant a hotard.
Whats with his pedo profile image btw?
3 talented 2016-12-05
Other than him being gay, and having an image of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinous, which is considered a "gay icon". I don't know, it must be something about a pedo. Because any reference to Greece makes you a pedophile... jesus christ people. Oh wait... i need the /s because its obvious this sub doesn't know how to probably read into things.
1 sh3rog 2016-12-05
He was the child lover of an emperor... Funny that you skipped that part
3 talented 2016-12-05
Historically, A figure who lived in a time of power positions being given to young boy lovers. It is more likely that a gay man posted a culturally gay relevant figure. Either way, this comes nowhere near to concluding him as a pedophile.
1 sh3rog 2016-12-05
and pizzagate supposes that we live in a time of boys being given to men in power positions... and its not one thing its many
8 dangerousbirde 2016-12-05
The Spirit Cooking thing is even more inane than that. It was the name of one of her performances but what Podesta was refering to in the email was a donor reward tier from a KickStarter campaign which is still readable to anyone who gives a shit about facts.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maihudson/marina-abramovic-institute-the-founders
Real spoooooooooky stuff there guys.
6 jokebreath 2016-12-05
Thanks for this. I think it's important to remember that this whole ridiculous conspiracy theory hinges on made up 4chan bullshit specifically designed to troll idiots.
Too bad it's all getting gobbled up. Cheese pizza? Come on people.
I just don't understand the mindset here. I personally think Donald Trump is a vile, reprehensible narcissistic human being who's built all his success around being born with a silver spoon in his mouth and sociopathically screwing over everyone less powerful than him foolish enough to give him an ounce of faith.
Would I believe he's a pedophile running a secret child sex slave ring? Probably not. There would have to be a considerable amount of hard evidence for me to accept that reality, and I'd still be intensely surprised despite believing Trump has little to no moral character.
Yet so many people seem to be willing to just jump to the conclusion that because they believe Hillary & Podesta are dishonest and corrupt in politics they're probably also capable of literally raping children all based on the flimsiest "evidence" imaginable.
4 SpartanTank 2016-12-05
Oh look you guys, an apologist for the pedos.
Edit: I was seriously wrestling with myself whether or not you're worth my time given how you keep babbling about backing yourself up (which you DON'T do at all for most of the points here), but what the hell... I'll bite:-
LOL WHOOPS
No they fucking weren't. The FBI has known this for decades. Does Wikileaks count as proof for you, oh holy skeptic?
Edit #2: More points addressed below:-
Proof pleaaaase oh holy skeptic. PROOOOOOOOF! Oh wait, I can do that for you:-
How the fuck does this imply that John will NOT be attending as well? Here's Tony emailing him asking whether or not he will come:-
Also, how the fuck do you know it's simulated using fake stuff? Have you seen the fucking video at all?
4 talented 2016-12-05
Oh look guys, another person who cannot back up his assertions. When the burden of proof is required they fail...
Your link on the Arch of Hysteria is a bit deceitful. Here is the reference written by an actual professional: https://remedianetwork.net/2014/06/23/the-arch-of-hysteria/. The link you posted has only one reference to a connection to Jeffery Dahmer:
Please, another assumption and not backed up by anything relevant to Louise Bourgeois reasoning for the creation of the Arch of Hysteria. Hysteria, has a history of being associated with demonic possesion. Doesn't show anything.
The link to the FBI symbols are real, but the association is false. The Besta Pizza symbol has one more edge than the FBI symbol. I have already shown you. The pedo code words are nowhere to be found in any of the links you provide or an real reference. Again nothing.
Again read your own link idiot. John Podesta was never involved in that email exchange. Look at the headers for whom Marina was communicatiing with:
She responded to his brother. John was not involved in this. She was asking for Tony to bring his brother. John never responded...
6 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
This hypothesis doesn't hold water, considering that there's a photo in Geberth's book "Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation 2nd ed" [EXTREMELY NSFW] that shows the victim in the same pose from a different angle, and he's clearly still in possession of his head.
Not to mention the fact that that the 81-year-old Bourgeois would have needed access to these photos sometime between the end of the trial (2/15/1992) and when the Arch of Hysteria piece was completed in 1993. Highly unlikely, given the fact that there was no "web" to really speak of until 1994, and these photos weren't published in Geberth's books until years after the piece was completed.
Now the Podesta Bros may have purchased the piece due to the similarities to Dahmer's "work"... I don't fucking know, that would be pure speculation. But to claim that Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer while creating this piece is an absolute stretch at best... unless this little old lady traveled from NYC to Milwaukee in 1992 for a personal showing from Capt. Ferrier's ghoulish photo collection.
So as with everything in pizzagate, we're expected to swallow ridiculously tenuous "evidence", and act like it's a smoking gun.
2 SpartanTank 2016-12-05
I'm editing my comment as we speak.
Also, the fact that you received reddit gold makes me VERY suspicious of you. Most, if not all, r/conspiracy folks know that gifting reddit gold is the most stupid thing to do, given how the money ultimately ends up with u/spez and his pedo masters he covers for.
2 SpartanTank 2016-12-05
That was actually a nice read. In fact, I think I may have stumbled onto something. From your "reference written by an actual professional":-
So Louis Bourgeois apparently uses Sigmand Freud's psychoanalytical research as his inspiration... Oh my, are we talking about the same Freud family which is now being REKTED with pedophile scandals? Remember Sir Clement Freud?
Hmm... Let's see, the Podestas couldn't possibly be linked to this guy, now could they? LOL WHOOPS, they stayed in his villa while they were in Portugal, AROUND THE TIME OF MCCAN'S DISAPPEARANCE!
Read your own reference:-
Seriously, what the fuck you do think constitutes emotional imbalance? "Demonic possession" in older times in majority of the cases was a disguise for conditions resulting from lifelong abuse by older family members, religious priests and whatnot.
I'll give you some stuff to read:-
Behavioural consequences of child abuse
This reminds me, have you as of yet seen this poster for one of Comet Ping Pong's concerts, which very clearly depicts out of body experiences that children have when experiencing extreme abuse??? And then you come in here with your anti-conspiracy guns blazing accusing us of nothing but conjecture??? Seriously, bugger off.
EDIT: Forgot to address your response regarding Abramovic.
That does not solidify your position that he did NOT attend. It's left up to speculation and I would actually hazard a guess he did, given how he likes to "cook" as you yourself acknowledge.
2 talented 2016-12-05
On my phone and it's late...
You can't just jump from "Freudian analyses" to Sir Clement to argue against the art piece. Ignoring that leap of logic.
I appreciate your links of Sir Clement. Interesting story. So, his accusers came out after his death when he is unable to refute anything. Either way it seems his wife eventually sent a few forgiving words to the accusers.
So, how is this connected to Podestas? The McCann disappearance happened when Sir Clement was in the UK and rented his place out. The only claim that they were at his rental and on that day is from an "FBI anon". Take that with a huge grain of salt as I bet that came from 4chan. Unless you can actually provide me with a reliable source for the supposed FBI source.
We can keep discussing the Louise Bourgeois and her dark reasonings for the arch of histeria, or spirit cooking where speculation leads only to John Podestas brother being eager to watch her famous art events... none of it leads to a Ring of Pedophiles.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1998874 An interview with the girl they hosted for the band at Comet. Apparently she has a friend do the designs. She seems like a fairly normal young girl to be doing that job. I don't see how any of that points to pedophilia. Seems more of a feminist type of art.
4 djklbd 2016-12-05
These are just opinionated explainations of the evidence. You didn't refute anything. Did you even take the time to do any research?
1 talented 2016-12-05
We're any of the "accusations" of a ring of pedo's not opinions? Where are the facts? Your confidence comes with a lack of a convincing story.
3 blacwidonsfw 2016-12-05
What about the false flag attack today?
11 nugget9k 2016-12-05
Was it a false-flag? I mean if a guy really went into the pizza shop with a gun and shot it, then went to jail... that's not exactly false-flag.
False-flag would be if the media reported on it, but it didn't really happen.
5 blacwidonsfw 2016-12-05
I mean he was arrested days prior, the camera was moved one day before, his dad has connection to Haiti and is a child abuse investigator (who are implicated in pizza gate) and he is an actor.
Something is definitely fishy. If he is indeed a plant then there is obviously some powerful people trying to stir shit up to gain backing for censorship to cover something up
2 zero2000x 2016-12-05
No. The word false flag comes from ships back in the age of sail. They would fly the flag of a different nation than they belonged to in order to attack a high value target without starting a war. Or starting a war between two different nations. A modern false flag is like the u.s.s. Liberty. Israel attacked her for hours in order to blame egypt, but she never sank. If the media reports something that didnt happen, then its what we used to call propaganda.
1 nugget9k 2016-12-05
Good point and thanks for the correction
2 ExtHD 2016-12-05
Good post. Thank you. I had to save this so I can link to it to show others here too.
1 bendor310 2016-12-05
Brilliant. Thank you!
1 toodarnloud88 2016-12-05
Is the girl taped to the table the daughter of the event organizer? If so, do you have a source for that info?
1 talented 2016-12-05
It appears to be his kid, but I won't post more than the following. Supposedly, I read he was the godfather. Also, they are not public figures. I would be banned posting private information. This is just what has been shown before.
When #carisjames was born http://archive.is/ZwwUn.
http://archive.is/9FN8n This is the picture you are referencing. It has a hashtag #carisjames. Assuming that is the name of the child, because it comes up every time the kid was posted.
Edit: This is the video he claims to say that the kid is his goddaughter: https://youtu.be/gKTiUaloDDA?t=108
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5 talented 2016-12-05
This coming from the guy who watches underage 3d hentai porn models on vive and oculus. Tell me more about your playclub dats, homie. Your conservative values are just oozing all over this website.
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1 TheDeadlySaul 2016-12-05
So you're an actual paedo, wow
2 KIDDizCUDI 2016-12-05
Which is....?
10 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
Oh well, then it's cased closed. It's all about dominoes and ping pong. Gay power dudes never fuck kids...never.
1 talented 2016-12-05
Says the propagandist: https://www.reddit.com/user/JHVH_UNO/submitted/?count=50&after=t3_4km7mh
1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
Propaganda has an audience, child. What you've posted is my outlet of hatred towards a truly criminal cunt. If the present topic triggers your weak emotional state, maybe avert your gaze. It's sort of telling that you are going so far out of your way to poorly combat this story. What skin do you have in the game? Pederasty hit a little close to home? I know it's common among soccer players...is that it?
6 talented 2016-12-05
I am not the one getting hurt over someone actually doing their homework. I have 0 skin in this game unlike you do. I frequent this sub because I love conspiracies but this conspiracy has 0 backing. So go cry to all the new accounts because I am sure they would love to hear more from you. I know I will just keep getting ignored.
1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
You are the sad little triggered child crying alone in the wilderness about the wrongs of pizzagate. Nobody forced you to whiteknight the situation with your ignorance. "new accounts?" WTF are you talking about? Are you okay? Have you been triggered to the point of mania? You seem to be having another one of your manic episodes. I lived in DC, I know the principles involved. This story has been a LONG time coming...if you don't like it, avoid it...it's not going away.
7 talented 2016-12-05
Were you even able to vote? Are you even old enough? Obviously, you didn't live in the USA to be able to vote right? https://np.reddit.com/r/nonononoyes/comments/4t5s19/three_robbers_walk_into_a_store_x_rinstant_regret/d5flgpu/
https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4mp1k7/that_trump_supporter_preegg/d3y5cmy/
Do you still live in Mexico? It seems odd that you were so passionate about our election yet you don't really live here or should have a skin in the game. Are you getting paid?
It is funny you think I am a child... odd how the child seems to think about things critically instead of blind believing. So you want me to go away because you don't like people actually reading the source material. Poor you.
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1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
How telling is it that when confronted with pederasty you attempt to investigate and then attack me...lol. Let me let you in on a little secret, kiddo. Everything I say is a lie. I've never stepped foot in Mexico. I live in Mexico. How stupid are you that you believe what anonymous accounts say? Is this your first day online? Do you need an adult to walk you through the hard stuff? I don't care if you stay or go...your weak analysis makes little impact, as you've seen. If anything your protest are enough to make more people question the gay cabal. I'm long retired and I won so much money off the Trump victory that I'm devoting all my resources to outing the DC pedos....now more invigorated by slow thinkers like yourself(aka, mind of a child, is that why pedos go after kids??).
7 talented 2016-12-05
Here you go people >>> the type of person that /r/conspiracy upvotes.
Better inform your "FBI brother-in-law" about all the abuses in this sub /u/JHVH_UNO.
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
ATF-FBI brother in law. Did you miss the post about my past professions? Keep digging, kiddo. Maybe you'll wake up.
*when I'm done investigating the DC pedos...maybe I'll focus my gaze onto your area...
5 talented 2016-12-05
Don't forget to delete your history again on your way to spreading more propaganda.
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
I usually purge it every quarter. If not just to trigger the emotionally unstable twinks like yourself.
3 talented 2016-12-05
Good thing the quarter is almost over... oh wait. You didn't purge it every quarter. you still have 6+ months worth of data. You are a bit late. I can remind you every quarter if you need it. It is merely a simple script away.
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
You do know what words mean? Why not whip me up a scriptkiddie weemindur? My new little pet.
What's your next bit? I hope it's not the usual explosive manic projection...
2 fdajj 2016-12-05
You should probably stop after his last post.
1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
My life is ruled by the opinions of others...
6 patriotaxe 2016-12-05
I appreciate you linking this email, I'd never read it before. Here's the part about dominos:
Now personally, after all the other wierd shit I've seen in these emails this just sounds like more BDSM talk to me. Susan "whipped" Sherry and me? She made up the rules as we played? Sounds like some kinky shit to me. That could easily be some dungeon sex play shit. Seriously it could.
What adults make up the rules as they play dominos "podesta" style? It's fucking dominos. They're not children, they're powerful professionals.
16 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
When this e-mail was written, Herb was almost 84 years old. Sherry (Broder) was at least 67, not to mention... Susan is Herbert's own fucking daughter.
So we have two possible scenarios:
1) Herb had a friendly game of dominos with his daughter and a family friend while on a trip, and then dropped an e-mail to his friend saying that he was sorry he missed him during his visit.
or...
2) 83-year-old Herb and his 67-year-old sex partner (whom he hooked up with after his wife of 51 years died a few years prior) had his fucking daughter beat the shit out of them during a kinky BDSM session, and then dropped a coded e-mail to his buddy Podesta to brag about it... who then made sure his own wife was on the reply so she could enjoy the cryptic debauchery.
5 talented 2016-12-05
Whipped me? Were you even alive in the 90s? It is the vernacular of our nation. To go from that to BDSM to dungeon sex play. I appreciate that you looked at the email, but if you were being critical of the information you would question everything. Not just move your inner dialogue to a forgone conclusion that was given to you.
1 patriotaxe 2016-12-05
Like I said, in the context of the other bizarre emails, and what very much appears to be coded language, I wouldn't be surprised if this was more of the same. Or do you have pizza related map handkerchiefs lying around your house?
6 KingClam2 2016-12-05
google search "map handkerchief"
It's a thing. This isn't some bizarre item to own. It only seems weird if you've never had one, I guess (most of us younger people haven't). Older folks commonly wearing suits, on the other hand...
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
They're also human beings who do normal things now that's A CONSPIRACY TO BELIEVE IN
2 SearcingForTruth 2016-12-05
Oy vey, no way! That makes sense!
I agree with you. It's like when Reddit 'caught the Boston Bomber' a few years ago.
1 passivehate 2016-12-05
I've heard dominoes used as code for domination before, the D in BDSM.
Not that no one says they've been "whipped" been beaten at a game, but the choice of words is fitting.
Using the suggested pizzagate codewords he would be asking:
2 talented 2016-12-05
The suggested pizzagate codewords was a 4chan troll, with no backing in reality.
1 passivehate 2016-12-05
I don't see where I said otherwise.
1 djklbd 2016-12-05
What the fuck kind of rationalization is that??
1 talented 2016-12-05
One that actually looks at the back story. That you seem to be ignoring. How do you rationalize domino's being about pedophilia? That is actually the ridiculous claim.
1 djklbd 2016-12-05
This is earnestly amusing, It's like watching somebody try to convince you that gravity isn't real...
Work on your technique and come back to us.
1 talented 2016-12-05
The fact that you think a pedophile ring is a theory as strong as gravity when you know at best it's speculation is patently ridiculous. The mental gymnastics you must go through to keep yourself sane from all this corruption. /s
18 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
This one doesn't bother me.
Guy who receives pasta/cheese saves it and consumes it with sender over a game of dominoes. Maybe it's a tradition for them, a token of friendship whatever. This time the package changed.
The handkerchief thing is completely unexplainable unless Podesta literally had a black and white comet ping pong handkerchief with a piece of pizza on it and the email sender was just trying to describe it.
Nothing is more convincing as hard evidence to me than
A.) these people immediate and intimate relations with known and convicted SERIOUS pedophiles.
B.) their taste in extremely pedophilloic artwork and moreover the description of their basement as a room to "showcase video artwork that is unmarketable to most purveyors" paraphrasing
C.) the Besta Pizza logo, the Clinton foundation shit across the street and the fucking weird shIt alefontis posts on his IG
This recent apparent false flag attack on CPP only bolsters my opinions.
6 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
I agree, it's not a very damning sentence, especially when framed in context. IF anything it begs further scrutiny on the statements that don't have a frame of reference. The reality being that child sex trafficking in the DC area is a pandemic. The gay DC community knows its a problem, but don't want the bad press that comes along with outing their powerful friends... most associate with powerful gay federal judges/police/politicians/agency/diplomats...etc..etc. Who provides boys to fuck for the Muslim diplomats when they come to town? Where are they kept?
4 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
And where are you concocting this from? The latter of your statement specifically.
1 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
bacha bazi
1 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
Sorry. I meant how do you know the gay community of Washington knows there is a pedophile problem?
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
I grew up in the areas in question. Much of my family are in law/law enforcement, and the military. More directly...Many of my friends and family are part of the gay community.
1 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
And these people are privy to information that affluent and influential individuals are involved in pedophilia?
Like, I don't get that. Where I live if ANYONE was even implicated in this and they would be fucking blackballed by everyone and everything. I can't imagine living in a place where you hear a pedophile rumor and just brush it aside.
3 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
I would have never believed it either, but I've heard way too many first hand testimonials throughout the years from victims and police involved. I've audited cases that make my stomach hurt. None of this is new, it's just not considered consumable on TV. Hell, I know a guy who raped multiple children, did 3 years and is back in his mansion. You think he stopped? I doubt it. He has money, connections, and personal security. Fucking Sandusky...you think that ONE kid was fucked in the showers the day before he was arrested?? FUCK NO! That shit was going on for years and EVERYONE knew! I mean the guy didn't even hide it. One of my ex's had a pedo in their family and it went unaddressed until I became aware of it...we divorced shortly after. People are fucked up and will defend the most heinous activities...
2 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
Amazing. I've never even met someone who hinted at being like that and i hang out with generally nefarious folks. Just can't even imagine it.
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
It's a horrid situation to even think about...hence it's absence from popular media...well, unless you are Polanski, or Bryan Singer.
1 blackeneth 2016-12-05
Robert H. Richards IV sentencing
2 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
Just one of many.
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
Given the wealthy are much more likely to own, and carry, hankercheifs, I picture it meaning someone left their fancy black and white hanky that someone drew a map to the pizza place on, behind.
Occam's Razor.
2 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
A hanky would be an article of your wardrobe at that level. Why wouldn't you draw on a napkin.
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
Because a hanky was all that available? Because someone was kinda drunk and didn't think that far ahead? Because when you're wealthy and powerful, a fancy hanky is still kinda disposable to you, in a way?
2 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
And you need to draw maps on a handkerchief to detail how to get to a pizza place instead of just giving the name and address?
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
You realize DC is a big city and not everyone knows the exact location of every damned street within it to even find an address, right?
2 Fuh-qo5 2016-12-05
In light of how large Washington DC is and how little some people may know about where every damn street is, if you had to draw someone on map on a handkerchief then they would have to at least know where one of the intersecting cross streets or something very close to it was. Otherwise as a professional, I would just give you the address and let you type it into your GPS, which is what people do now and have been doing for the last 20 years.
You can probably even remember in your own life the last time someone tried to give you directions the long way like we used to do back in the 90s go down first Street take your third right, go up two blocks take a left, go down to your seventh red light and take a right etc . I am sure that you looked at them and said no thanks just give me the address I'll just put it in my GPS.
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
And in larger cities, you name a couple main cross streets. Say, Dundas West and Spadina. And then, if someone doesn't get it, you may say, "here, lemme draw you a map. It's one block up and left from there." Remember, this involves possibility technologically inept people. An actual pizza-related map on a hanky makes much more sense than "thoroughly incriminating evidence on a hanky of satanic child rape."
7 bottomknob 2016-12-05
but but but but what about auto correct.... he meant to say 'cooking diced onions on chilled thawed pasta'
2 BeyondWikipedia 2016-12-05
That's just like a joking way of making cheese akin to steroids. As in, eating your tasty assortment of cheese will step up my Dominoes game.
2 qrayzhd 2016-12-05
That's correct.
1 seekthetruthnotlies 2016-12-05
have any apologists made an attempt to explain this?
1 erasedeny 2016-12-05
Replace the phrase "on a full stomach" with what, specifically, it is full of.
He's basically asking, do you think I'll play better after eating a cheese dish instead a pasta dish?
Being "on (something)" just means you consumed it and may feel its effects. Here's another (made up) example to help make more sense of the wording: "do you think I'll paint better on mushrooms or on LSD?"
Instead of painting he's playing domino's, and instead of drugs he's consuming cheese or pasta.
Makes sense to me.
1 cslack813 2016-12-05
In this sort of context I think drugs. Like asking about his performance on a game under the influence of one or another.
1 Wlcome2theFuture2015 2016-12-05
that really sounds like a drug reference to me
60 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Here is my guess for what it's worth:
I think they rape children and put a hankerchief under to collect semen and blood. On that hankerchief is the DNA of both the victim and the corrupt politician. Then they paint "art" on the canvas using the hankerchief as a starting point (hence the need to return such an important piece).
At this point, the painting is trifold:
1- It is proof of crime that can be used against the corrupt politician, thus maintaining their little mafia.
2- It is "art" which is "worth" a lot and can be sold around in these disgusting elite groups.
3- It is a satanic artifact that contains the energy of the crime on which their demonic masters thrive.
38 ProgrammingPants 2016-12-05
Wow.
31 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
I know. Welcome to the Matrix Alice.
1 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
It's strange meeting someone this far down the rabbit hole.
Click if you care to go further...
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19 nug4t 2016-12-05
God, alot of these posts are so full of shit
18 umatik 2016-12-05
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
It's classic gish gallop: drown people in a bunch of stuff that's mostly shit to bog them down in tedious but obvious réfutations/ignore instead of refuting them all. Meanwhile true believers suck it all down and ask for another load of trash.
2 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
That's because they are written by a mind control victim, Black Rabbit.
0 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
You should seek professional help. You are unwell.
2 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
What makes you say that?
2 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
paranoid schizophrenia on display
-1 rat_muscle 2016-12-05
So like, what do you do? You seem to spend all day, every day, on Reddit, talking about pizza gate from the looks of your comment history. Are you an adult with a job? Or just someone that was so enthralled with this story that they made a new account and made it their full time job to investigate. I don't have the time to look at all of your claims, but where are you getting this stuff from? It's almost as if someone is paying you to disseminate this info.
2 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
It's called rotational work. 2 weeks at work, 2 weeks at home. Very common in my industry.
2 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Jesus christ man, try waiting for actual evidence. Critical thinking is good for you. That's a whole hell of a lot of insanity to come up with from one email about a found handkerchief. Could it possibly be a handkerchief with a black and white map print on it? Google that, you'll find tons. Maybe one of famous pizza places? Who knows, but that's far, far more plausible than this explanation.
1 ProgrammingPants 2016-12-05
There is some confusion.
I didn't mean "wow, this is super amazing stuff that I believe."
I meant, "wow, you are really this fucking insane. Holy shit."
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
I apologize.
16 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
This is the best theory I've seen so far. Having read into the occult a few years back this type of thinking would fit perfectly with their actions if indeed these accusations are true.
7 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Thanks! Everyone needs to keep digging!
13 [deleted] 2016-12-05
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13 justinsayin 2016-12-05
That's reaching, but it does create an interesting scenario.
In your story, anyone can purchase this "art piece". Let's say someone had an "art piece" of this nature created by an ex-president of the USA.
With this art in their possession, they could (potentially) singlehandedly expose this crime. That makes this "art" EXTREMELY valuable. So let's say they buy the piece for $50,000,000.
Then, someone else who wants to bring down the pres offers that person $100M for the painting. This offer is of course overbid by a person faithful to the pres, who offers $150M, shutting out the exposer.
It creates wealth out of nowhere, value from nothingness, an entire economy of highest bidder holds a trump card. Just a game to keep money moving around...nothing but Thursday night poker for the elite.
And if you're just a small-time politician who wants to make a big run for office? What do you do to earn $50M in value from a donor? You give them something worth $50M in exchange.
9 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
RELATED
http://www.jessewaugh.com/blog/2013/4/6/gaming-belief
MORE
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14271
http://www.wsj.com/articles/1031-exchanges-help-art-investors-avoid-taxes-1422849602
https://apiexchange.com/articles/artwork-and-collectibles.pdf
10 Dilusions 2016-12-05
I'm full on board with this conspiracy however.....wouldn't they have to explain how they got the video, DNA, blood, all of that?..
1 racerx52 2016-12-05
Leaks out through wikileaks, an independent journalist, you name it, that person is done.
1 arachnopussy 2016-12-05
Rooms like this
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1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Exactly.
1 jamntoast3 2016-12-05
yes
11 PotatoTomato_ 2016-12-05
Look at the artist that's featured in podestas house. Lots of paintings with children on top of a sheet of cloth.
2 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Sorry about my other answer...this pizza shit is making me sick and angry.
2 PotatoTomato_ 2016-12-05
All good. It was more for other people to see to support your post, not to inform you specifically.
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
I didn't say it was an uneducated guess. Of course I saw those. I didn't draw these conclusions from my ass.
1 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
The pic in John Podesta's office on the wall is creepy as hell too. A guy in a suit on a table looking like he's about to be cut up and eaten by two ominous dudes standing above him.
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
You're mixing them up. That's a different artist.
7 Lord-Kek 2016-12-05
I actually posted something about this a couple of weeks ago. I was a Mason, so I studied various mystery schools. One of them had a practice where you had to rape children or murder someone in full view of the circle of elite to gain admission.
It was done for precisely this reason. No one can come out against the circle, if the attempt it they can be destroyed.
There's no reason to think modified forms of these practices didn't come down in one form or another to this very day, especially given that they were highly effective. I love your spin on it though.
5 morbidexpression 2016-12-05
Which "mystery school" did you study which had a practice where you "had to rape children or murder someone?"
Surely such a mystery school would stick in your mind, right?
No?
I'm guessing you made that up completely, right?
3 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Thanks for your input.
7 Foxtrot56 2016-12-05
Is this satire or not? I can't tell.
3 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Unfortunately its not
6 Foxtrot56 2016-12-05
Not trying to be an asshole but you should probably talk to a mental health professional. Seriously, this isn't normal.
3 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Now wait a minute, there are reasons that led me to believe this. Your political leaders are the children raping and children eating monsters, not me. Do not shoot the messanger. I don't need help, you need to get involved in pizzagate and get the word out.
1 Foxtrot56 2016-12-05
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.
It's important to be curious about the world but be critical of ideas as well. Don't get wrapped up in circumstantial things that have poor supporting evidence. Even if it's fun to believe in your emotions don't make it any more true.
Here's a video of Carl Sagan explaining how someone disovered the earth was curved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUxmCXSmtVo
Here's a video debunking pizzagate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OrX0U4qwTM
3 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
I did say that it was my guess and I did add "for what its worth" didn't you notice? I still believe I'm very close to reality, that's if I'm not spot on. I'm not trying to convince anyone and I don't need a mountain of evidence to come up with my guess. Why are you trying to educate me on how one should reason. Carl fucking Sagan give me a break. Ohh and that video debunking pizza gate is such garbage I can't believe you pinpointed this one...I saved it as proof of dishonest citizen journalism and/or shill attempts at discrediting legitimite investigations.
2 Verbalism 2016-12-05
LOL, "here's a video debunking pizzagate"
How much of a zombie/sheeple are you?
1 Foxtrot56 2016-12-05
Do you disagree with anything specific from the video?
3 Surfdetective 2016-12-05
This is satanism,trump and pence will stop this,once assange gets to the states they will fight the dnc. together?durr
4 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Trump visited Epstein's pedo resort too you know.
0 Surfdetective 2016-12-05
Mike pence stop the gays and have Hillary arrested,just trying to fit in with pro trump sub.
4 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Cute, but half of us aren't pro trump. Just anti rape, and it'd be pretty inconsistent to oppose rape but support trump.
4 PoorlyRoundedSquare 2016-12-05
Christianity is not the answer to satanism. Secularism is.
2 JLord 2016-12-05
How can a painting contain the energy of a crime?
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Not something that I truly believe myself, but your presidents, congressman, judges and police chiefs all seem to believe it to be true in some kind of twisted way. Anyway the idea here is that concepts are alive. I know I know. Yeah. So those concepts / ideas and the emotions associated with them as experienced by someone can get attached to physical matter, creating an artifact.
1 JLord 2016-12-05
Are you talking about US presidents? Why do you think they believe this?
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Because they are part of secret societies that are bathed in occult symbolism and weird pagan rituals. All of them.
1 oversettDenee 2016-12-05
This made me visibly disgusted.
1 SkepticalFaceless 2016-12-05
Illuminati always do things for three reasons.
0 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
You should seek professional help
6 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
You should look into pizzagate. Your leaders need help...not me.
0 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
I have looked into it. There is ZERO proof.
6 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Then answer the damn question: Where do you keep your pizza related map hankerchiefs?
3 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
That's your proof? A strangely worded sentence? That's ACTUALLY your proof. That a high profile child sex ring happened. Pizza map handkerchiefs. Like I said before, you need professional help man, I'm legitimately concerned for you.
Let me ask you this. How do you know pizza/map/handkerchief are pedophile slang?
4 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
I didn't say that was the/my proof that's just you being a dick. Now either you explain to us what that code means or we will see you as trying to defend these pedo lords.
0 [deleted] 2016-12-05
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3 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
I mean you screaming and pretending that this was my proof was kind of a dick move you'll have to agree with that.
I don't have to prove anything. I was just pointing out the obvious: Did you read the actual post we are discussing on? That's the whole point of the post...that we think there is something, we can't prove it, but you people tell us that there is nothing to see here? Right? Then ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION: Where do you keep your pizza related map hankerchiefs?
1 mexicaaaan 2016-12-05
Well you did suggest it as if it was so self-evident to render the conversation unwarranted. So yeah, perhaps it's not your best evidence but you've acted as if it's dispositive when I too think common sense would show otherwise. Frankly, even granting that podesta molests children, it being a handkerchief map of pizza joints in dc, or something like that, is still a much more likely scenario.
1 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Hey buddy! You never got back to me over how Trump was in no way ever going to win the election. I mean, have you heard of the electoral college?!!
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2016-12-05
Rule 10 man. If you have nothing constructive to add, just say nothing. First warning.
1 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
Sorry, my mistake.
2 D1Foley 2016-12-05
With my other ones usually
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Are you trying to imply that your link is a "pizza related map"? Why would anyone want to defend these elite pedo lords is beyond me...unless you are...
2 D1Foley 2016-12-05
And so it begins, anybody who doesn't believe that a pizza related map is pedophile related must be one too. Even though according to the email he left the map with the real estate agent! If it wad a secret map why did he just leave it?
And pedo lord? I'm sorry are there any victims? Witnesses? Anybody who worked there collaborating any part of this? No! I'm defending a business owner who has been proven of no wrongdoing against a hysterical Internet Lynch mob.
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
He literally posted evidence of an extremely logical and infinitely more likely explanation. You responded that he must be a "pedo lord'. You have lost it. You guys honestly scare me.
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Extremely logical? He just found a NYC map with 4 slices of pizza on it. It's not even "pizza-related" appart from the fact that there are some slices there. It's not a map of the surrounding best pizza places. Trying to defend these creeps will result in us thinking you are part of it, its that simple.
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1 Sabremesh 2016-12-05
Rule 4.
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Where can I find these rules?
1 Sabremesh 2016-12-05
Sidebar ----->
1 wizl0rd 2016-12-05
Ohhh ohh ok Im sorry about that. You can delete all my posts where I was abusive. Sorry about that Ive been vomotting pizzas for weeks now it is getting on my temper.
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Maybe direct your question to the hundreds of owners of them on etsy https://www.etsy.com/market/map_handkerchief
Or to the owner of this pizza related one: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jBqQ1zGbqsQ/U82oYDrfU3I/AAAAAAAABuI/m0CPHbHgPQc/s1600/NYC-Bandana-Natural.jpg
43 WTCMolybdenum4753 2016-12-05
I haven't seen a sufficient explanation beyond pedo.
This is also highly disturbing.
How they get the kids
25 Fauglheim 2016-12-05
Honestly, that's a much better hint than the handkerchief.
I don't want to call it evidence, but holy shit that's shady. Anyone related to her (Clinton, Podesta, et. al.) should come under intense scrutiny for that.
15 Harambe_Remembers 2016-12-05
Silsby case is evidence that the Pedo-esta, Alefantis, Clinton ring has hard ties to child trafficking.
3 BusinessofShow 2016-12-05
How do you feel about Laura Silsby (now goes by her married name Gayler) being an executive with the company that runs the Ambert Alert System?
https://www.alertsense.com/company/executive-team/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case
5 bombsaway1979 2016-12-05
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CweH_P3UAAAPlo8.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/67/8e/1a/678e1ab22d63d2d49f02abbad9ddd6b4.jpg
1 SearcingForTruth 2016-12-05
What are these pictures?
1 moniquemagique 2016-12-05
I guess they're pizza related maps and black and white handkerchiefs
40 2-DRY-4-2-LONG 2016-12-05
Let's order 65k dollars worth of hot dogs for our party!
35 lkoz590 2016-12-05
Don't forget we have to fly them in
The thought of an airplane filled with $65k worth of hot dogs is hilarious to me.
(Real hot dogs. Not codeword hot dogs.)
Edit: Just did some math for shits and gigs.
A Nathan's hot dog stand in New York was charging 3.15 for a plain hot dog. This price is considered to be very high. $65,000/$3.15 per dog = roughly 20,635 hot dogs. Keep in mind this is a high rate for a hot dog, an order as large as this would likely come straight from the manufacturer, lowering the price by cutting out the middle man, and also have a very discounted price considering the volume of the order (think sam's club's discounted prices based off of bulk buying.) We're looking at easily over 25,000 hot dogs (and that's a very low estimate). Imagine >25,000 hot dogs in an airplane and honestly tell me you aren't cracking up at the thought. Because that image is hilarious to me.
5 fat_osvaldo 2016-12-05
H O O K E R S lol
3 lkoz590 2016-12-05
The president has to pay for hookers? No way
5 GoyBoyAdvanced 2016-12-05
Woah, woah woah. Where is this money coming from? Better not be taxpayers.
3 lkoz590 2016-12-05
Yet people get pissed about their taxes going toward welfare/planned parenthood and turn the other cheek when something like this is presented to them.
1 2-DRY-4-2-LONG 2016-12-05
Yeah. I lol'd
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Gas for the plane and people to fly the plane and people's time worth to go get them. I doubt 65k was just for the food
2 lkoz590 2016-12-05
Don't you have some off's to go fuck, Lahey?
Lol good point though. Didn't account for that
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha but yea man, that article was trying to be all click baitey, they probably racked up every cent they could to come up with that number
1 lionessjj 2016-12-05
Hopefully we'll have the same "waitresses"
1 KingClam2 2016-12-05
I remember a few years ago reading about costs for food at catered political events. I think muffins were priced at ~$15 apiece. All sorts of absurd prices paid.
1 lkoz590 2016-12-05
Damn that's absurd. I guess if I were a bakery catering the white house I'd charge out the ass too.
17 dewmaster 2016-12-05
Maybe I'm weird, but the $65k pizza/hot dog party seems plausible to me. Ridiculous, but totally doable. Call up the best pizza and hot dog places in Chicago, offer to fly (private) some of their staff (with supplies/food) to D.C. to cater an event for Obama and the price would add up pretty fast.
11 catsandpancakes 2016-12-05
I thought the Whitehouse wasn't allowed to bring in outside food due to security concerns? I could certainly be wrong, but I thought that was the case.
2 talented 2016-12-05
They fly in the staff and not the food, what has been done before. It makes more sense if you are hiring the restaurant for catering.
Ex: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/President-Needs-a-Hot-Dog-Helping-Hand-96078774.html
9 registerednigger 2016-12-05
Yeah it's a totally reasonable number. Food catering is fucking expensive. There are plenty of easier and more boring answers to all of the creepy speculations people bring up here, but it's more fun to jump to worst case scenario based on circumstantial evidence to get your online witch hunt brewin!
2 blackeneth 2016-12-05
Easier answer: wasteful government spending.
1 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
Exactly. Anyone who is hanging their conspiracy hat on this hook has obviously never put together an event before.
My company shelled out $2K to take a team of 12 programmers across the street to a Dave & Busters. Shit adds up quick... and that's without flying in staff, and factoring in the customary ass-raping that contractors provide along with their bids to government and/or corporate entities.
It ain't right, but it's reality.
1 2-DRY-4-2-LONG 2016-12-05
Maybe max 10k.. also who flies out hot dogs?
3 UnseenPresence2016 2016-12-05
Someone who really loves hot dogs. :)
Just sayin'. If I had lots of money for a party, I'd damn sure fly actual Chicago pizza out to LA...or Tommy's Chiliburgers to Chicago, if I needed to do so. There are foods that are worth flying to you if you can afford it.
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Maybe a president from Chicago, a place famous for, you guessed it, hot dogs (and pizza). I am just a ten year redditor who enjoys reading about conspiracy theories along with many other topics. I examine evidence fairly and make up my own mind. all of the pizzagate stuff has simple explanations, but people have gone nuts finding other meanings in it.
1 2-DRY-4-2-LONG 2016-12-05
OH really. Want to enjoy my children in a pool? They are there for your pleasure! Also they are below the age of 10!
Explain anything. Anything. You don't buy 65k hot dogs. Do you know how many hot dogs what would be? Close to 65k too actually :)
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
sigh. OK. Not like anybody actually likes playing with kids. Has that become such an insane idea in your world of pedo ideas? Or that it was said somewhat sarcastically like they might annoy/bug him to play with them?
And really? Gourmet hot dogs, fucking flown in on planes, at a regular price then jacked up for executive transport, presidential level protocol, or whatever else are going to cost $1 a piece? Are you mad? If you walked into a high end Chicago hot dog place you would pay over $5 for a dog with all the fixings. Start fucking using your brain.
37 AnEndgamePawn 2016-12-05
Is your Instagram account, with Antinuous as the profile picture, filled with kids and sexually graphic pizza images? No? Why not, it's normal right?
19 birthdaysuit11 2016-12-05
Yum baby, Chicken Lover, Lolita, murder. I mention these words all the time to children, it's NORMAL and everyone does it, right?
20 catsandpancakes 2016-12-05
The #chickenlover thing was a huge red flag to me. Not even chicken in the picture to make it semi-relevant. Or the "Hatian special, extra cheese" comment....because when I think of delicious pizza, I think of Haiti.
12 birthdaysuit11 2016-12-05
Nobody says these things, even to adults. The only people I have seen mentioning chickenlover in this out of context way is on CP and pedo forums. It's honestly an epidemic when it comes to CP. How in the world does someone get caught with 33,000 CP pictures? That's 33,000 children sexually mutilated, 33,000?
0 KIDDizCUDI 2016-12-05
FTFY
1 lionessjj 2016-12-05
Chickenlover was bad. I'm pretty sure the "Haitian special, extra cheese" was a troll from after the pizzagate stuff already started, if you look at the date.
3 catsandpancakes 2016-12-05
I think you could be correct on that one! It is important to find that stuff so we can filter out incorrect info.
1 francois- 2016-12-05
Fair enough and worth checking, but how would this business owner even be aware of this term or want to make light of it?
2 lionessjj 2016-12-05
You mean the term chickenlover? I think that one was real.
It's the Haitian special one that I think was a troll.
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
Is there any proof whatsoever that chicken was a code word for little boy?
2 catsandpancakes 2016-12-05
I mean there's this. Really, at the very least, it's shitty marketing for the owner of a "family friendly restaurant" to post such sexually suggestive phrases next to children. #hotard is another gem.
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
He just seemed like a freak and a possibly gay guy doing weirdo things on Instagram.
22 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
It's clear that there's something odd about the email in question. But that doesn't automatically make it suspicious.
The first email in the relevant bit of the exchange is from a real estate agent (Kate) and she writes:
No mention of a map, which is odd if you think that a map would be completely obvious to the person who found it and could help identify the owner. But the description is that it's just white and black.
Then, some hours later, Podesta's pal (who received the above email) writes to Podesta:
So she hasn't actually seen the handkerchief in question (because the realtor has it). Plus as you can see this email is full of typos (Susan even mis-spells her own name as 'Susaner').
So my guess is that 'map' is a typo for 'mark'.
A 'pizza-related map' on a handkerchief she hasn't even seen is an odd idea.
A friendly joke about Podesta's fondness for pizza leading to a 'pizza-related mark' on a handkerchief isn't quite such an odd idea.
And yes, Podesta is a noted foodie and is so enthusiastic about pizza that he has an outdoor pizza oven in his backyard.
16 Hith_Ransir 2016-12-05
The problem with that explanation is that there is no reason to bring up a pizza stained handkerchief in an email. Does this guy need his handkerchief so bad that he has to get it sent to him?
21 Nijos 2016-12-05
Maybe he won't be to "the field house" for a while, and it's a nice handkerchief so he would want it back. There's a bunch of possibilities that are smaller leaps of logic than "They're talking about diddling kids"
3 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Okay but that plus all the other things might lead to that. Stop trying to discredit it based on one single thing. Nobody is saying all this because of one email or one sentence
2 Nijos 2016-12-05
Sure it might. But this one piece is the one that I was discussing. Shall I discuss every single alleged piece of evidence every time the topic comes up?
3 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Yes because you can't debunk everything guy. There is some good stuff about this, don't get caught up on one little thing like this
5 Nijos 2016-12-05
How do you know that?
Haven't found any of that yet. I respect that people are curious, but treating this like anything more than as something to be curious about is ridiculous
3 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Debunk why he lied about having a basement?
2 Nijos 2016-12-05
I'm gonna need a little bit of context to your question
3 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Look it up bud, ur obviously very ignorant of this whole thing if u haven't heard of that.
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
I've heard of it, just asked for context
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha if you've heard of it you'd absolutely know the context
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
I imagine in your head this is "Checkmate, pizzagate is real!!!" Gotcha. Good talk
I went ahead and looked up the "he's lying about having a basement thing." So I assume you mean when he said in an interview that there's no basement at Comet Pizza. Then you're probably thinking that his statements in this article:
http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/ http://archive.is/03Lhm
indicate there are a basement. He says tomatoes kept in a basement, did he say "tomatoes kept in the basement of Comet Pizza"? That doesn't prove.. anything
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha on bud, you can disprove anything with that logic, how do you know he was even talking? What if the reporter made it up omg.
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
With what logic? What basement is he referring to and how do you know that? You're acting so condescending as if you have some kind of special insider knowledge, you don't know anything beyond a vague suspicion based on vague shit
There's a business next door called Politics & Prose that has a basement. Politics & Prose is not in the same building, though it is in the same complex, a few doors down. The whole strip of stores is kind of on a hill, so the ground level exit from Comet out back is on the same level as the *basement *exit from Politics & Prose, they both exit to the parking lot. Here you go, you can even look at it.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Comet+Ping+Pong/@38.9554688,-77.0701022,3a,75y,72.27h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0-tiSgOn-MJLr6hd2YBmyg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D0-tiSgOn-MJLr6hd2YBmyg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D67.65328%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x81a8bf734dd1c58f!8m2!3d38.9559497!4d-77.0699666!6m1!1e1
You're acting so condescending like "Ha, you can't provide me with a geological survey of this building. That means there's a global conspiracy of the power elite raping children." You have nothing, vague conjecture and some shit about the supposed existence of a basement.
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
You don't know shit either bud, ur just asking questions nobody can answer and thinking you're debunking shit. So fuck off. Also he posted pics of the basement being constructed dumbass hahaha. God ur trying so hard just relax
2 Nijos 2016-12-05
Oh so you can't answer the questions, but it's still incriminating to you? So you're saying anything will convince you, huh.
Post them and prove they're legitimate
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Considering he is talking about the pizza sauce he makes - regarding the episode of Diner 's , Drive - ins and Dives that took place at Comet Ping - Pong - and he states that he keeps it in " the basement " , and in that same paragraph refers to a line - up " from the front of the restaurant , down and around the corner " . For logistics reasons why would n't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site ? Are you really that dense ? Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Dipshit
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
Did you just copy paste your comment? lol
I'm sure he does. I just doubt he keeps 10,000 tomatoes worth of it, dipshit. It'd be perfectly reasonable to keep such things in a storage facility, as many high-volume restaurants do
It's hilarious that you're so vehemently arguing these sort of meaningless details. If it's so obvious that there's a cabal of power-elite satanists raping and eating children, shouldn't you have a little more evidence? Shouldn't one of the thousands of patrons of Comet Pizza.. noticed that? Lol
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
He says he keeps his shit in the basement like restaurants do. Jesus ur so dense it's ridiculous
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Also Considering he is talking about the pizza sauce he makes - regarding the episode of Diner 's , Drive - ins and Dives that took place at Comet Ping - Pong - and he states that he keeps it in " the basement " , and in that same paragraph refers to a line - up " from the front of the restaurant , down and around the corner " . For logistics reasons why would n't you keep the pizza sauce you use for your pizza on site ? Are you really that dense ? Is your reading comprehension that bad?
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
Down and around what corner? You poorly quoting a tv show I've never seen doesn't really help me very much.
Even if you're right- he has a basement. Wow, that's proof of him.. having a basement.
Do you have any hard evidence? of anything?
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha it's proof he's a liar you're just desperately trying to win this. You're not even making good points. It proves he's lies... Its that simple bud. Good fuckin day
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
It's inconclusive, Satan himself is on earth and he's abusing children out of a pizza restaurant because you think it has a basement
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Nice, I'd do the same if I lost the argument, hilarious joke bud
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
Lost the argument? You know stating your point over and over doesn't make you 'win' right?
You refer to photos of basement construction. I looked them up, there's literally sunlight coming in a doorway in one. Some basement huh?
You're so on about proving whether or not there's a basement that you have stepped back and thought what difference does it make? Even if he were lying about having a basement, so what? You need so much more than that, and you can't even inconclusively prove whether or not a room exists. Good luck proving the illuminati is eating kids
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Nobody said it's enough to convict anyone dipshit, you said they didn't lie I'm saying they clearly did. He said he had a basement then said he didn't. Its a lie, you're wrong, I'm right. End of story. Look up the Info more carefully because you obviously just learned about this like a good boy. Now peace
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
He referenced keeping things in a basment. Never said where, no images of one, no building records, nothing. No one who's been there can say there's one, literally noting.
Call yourself right as much as you want to
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
It was the context of the article that u seemingly can't comprehend for the fucking life of you
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
Why don't you link that article?
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Because dipshit it's not my job to keep Informing you, you're clearly arguing about some shit you know nothing about. Just leave
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
you don't have the article, do you? It's just something you heard about somewhere isn't it? It's funny, you're constantly referencing pictures, articles, text, and you never link anything. I've seen everything you're referring to except this article. I even found the "pictures of the basement" which could be pictures of any room under construction. With literal sunlight coming in the door of the so called basement. Go ahead and post it, you seem so determined to "win."
I mean if you prove this, you've proven the conspiracy is true right?
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
I'm on mobile dipshit do you not know how to google?
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
Let me know when you post it, and which quote is the damning one
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
I won't so have fun sitting around for people to feed you Info that's readily available on this same sub haha moron
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
I see, I guess you give up.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Exactly I give on trying to educate ur dumbass
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
So condescending. Act like you're educating when you're arguing for something with literally no links provided.
An argument isn't "this is fact and it's up to you to disprove my vague, unprovided evidence." Get over yourself, put up evidence or shut up
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
It's literally a fact.
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
Okay. Literally prove it. That's how this works
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
You've proven nothing. No source, no interest. I can tell you're really desperate to be right, which is why I know you don't have shit but thirdhand information you picked up off voat or something.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
Lemme know when you've got a source to share :)
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
Sorry I upset you to this extent
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
0 Nijos 2016-12-05
dik eyb ,diD
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid
0 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
Just because you're on your mobile doesn't mean you can't link an article dipshit.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Yea it means I'm not going to bother because it's on this fucking sub fuckface
0 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
That's not what you meant haha. You said you're on mobile meaning you can't link it, but you actually can, you're just too stupid.
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha I'm too lazy fuckwad ur the moron that needs someone to link you because ur dumbass can't look for it. Moron
0 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
I didn't ask for the link moron. I was telling you that you can in fact link an article on mobile fuckwad. But you're too stupid to realize that moron. Moron.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
I'm not going to do shit for you little kid stop asking
0 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
Nowhere in my last comment did I ask a question you fucking dumbass. Little kid.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
I'm not doing shit for you little kid fuck off
1 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
I'm not asking you to do anything. Jeez you're so fucking stupid.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha and ur dense as fuck if you think I'm serious, I'm surprised ur still responding bud. Just leave
2 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
Damn dude, based on your comment history, this seems to be all that you do. You just treat people like shit on here, what a low-life piece of shit.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha wow u have no life bud, you shoulda fucked right off long ago
1 FiveLayersBeefy 2016-12-05
So you have a life? You keep replying also lol.
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1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2016-12-05
Rule 10. If comments like this are all you have to contribute then you're going to need to find another sub. First warning.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Obviously it isn't, ban the shills who go around and post the same question
1 [deleted] 2016-12-05
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1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Whyd he lie about having a basement
2 [deleted] 2016-12-05
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1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
The context
0 [deleted] 2016-12-05
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1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
How do you know the interview is with him?
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
This is what every believer in this theory says about every piece of evidence as each one is beyond weak and reaching. "Yeah but look at it with the others". No. A bunch of weak and reaching "evidence" doesn't make any of it more credible. But you hear it over and over. No single piece is worth defending, but all of the indefensible pieces together somehow should make you believe. It's a complete logic fail.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha ur a moron, that's the fact of the matter. There's no smoking gun just many pieces of the puzzle. Why did besta pizza change their logo? There's a million questions u don't have answers to.
0 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Maybe because nutbars started saying it resembled some symbol that pedos used? Are you kidding?
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Buddy this has already happened before with pizza places. Also the FBI came up with those symbols
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
You asked why they would change the logo. You're besta pizza. You hire some cheap graphic designer to create a logo. Then the whole pg insanity blows up and people are harassing you, your store and your customers claiming your logo is similar to a pedo symbol. Do you A) say fuck it and keep it or B) change it so the crazies will leave you alone? For any normal person, i think the clear answer is B. But it's pointless to argue with you guys.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
You guys? This exact thing has happened before. With a pizza place and they found girls in the basement. Why are u acting like this is some extraterrestrial shit guy?
0 greally 2016-12-05
Isn't that responding to the title of this thread?
1 norse1977 2016-12-05
You fucking understand this - you get this. People around here thinks the only answers are the ones that supports these idiotic claims. And they take everything out of context not even bothering asking or looking for context.
My dad uses handkerchiefs and some of them was from his father with his initials embroded in them (on them?). These are one of the few things he has of his father that isn't stuffed away in storage. His father died early - age 52 - and he sees this as something important to him.
Point is, you never know. If someone left something at my house or a friends house I would ask tell them about it. You never know what an item holds of value to someone else. Assuming is stupid just because you would look at it as a piece of cloth.
Remember the watch from Pulp Fiction? Yeah, that kind of thing.
19 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
No. It was nice of Susan to email Podesta to inquire about whether he wanted his hanky sent to him (I mean, it's his property after all, so it was the polite thing to do for a friend).
But Podesta said not to bother. So, according to the conspiracy theory, Podesta carries round a handkerchief with an incriminating map on it, but this vital map is so unimportant to him that he just discards it without a second though and is quite happy to let this sinister evidence -- setting out the exact locations of serious wrongdoing -- fall into the hands of an outsider.
Don't you think that's a little far-fetched?
4 wetpantsclub 2016-12-05
Shhh... Your in the r/conspiracy sub... Don't spoil their fun.
0 norse1977 2016-12-05
BUT IT SAYS SO IN THE PDF!!!
1 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
wut
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Sure. It could be a nice handkerchief that needs to go through the wash once before it's next use.
5 HioZukitori 2016-12-05
I know right? I can't go ANYWHERE without my handkerchief.
Even if I am making millions, you better believe I want my lost handkerchief returned!
/s
15 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
is being a pretentious rich guy that likes to wipe his mouth with a personal handkerchief REALLY more unlikely than him having a handkerchief that has a fucking treasure map to child prostitutes in a pizza dungeon?
one of those two possibilities I'm willing to bet money on being true, and the other possibility sounds fucking ridiculous.
6 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
The thing is - why send that much detail describing the "handkerchief." Why not just say - the realtor found a handkerchief is it yours?
The language does seem a little odd. Like it is code for something.
That being said - its still perhaps a little thin to draw conclusions. I bet if people scoured through anyones emails they could eventually start to see things that seem weird. Especially if inside jokes etc. could easily be misinterpreted.
That being said - what's up with the weird pedo art in that guys house? Is that for real? How can someone not know how weird that looks.
6 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Come on dude, what kind of grounds for suspicion is a person's amount of detail when describing a random object? They probably were describing it so that Podesta could inquire into whether it actually was his handkerchief or not. Or, maybe, some people just write with a few more adjectives than you do?
And art tends to have more value beyond what's at face value, which you have to be aware of. Like, I saw an incredible museum exhibition over the summer about the depiction of prostitution in French art. If I tell a random person this they'd think I'm a fucking pervert for liking that kind of a show, but if you know about art history you'd know that many of the most prominent French artists of the 19th and early 20th century, like Picasso, Lautrec, Manet, Degas, and Van Gogh, explored these ideas at least at one point or another in their lives, so this lead to an all-star roster of incredible artists all exploring a similar theme that happens to be quite risque.
So, I dunno, I guess my answer is that we'd have to ask Mr. Podesta what he finds so interesting in that art before making judgement on that particular facet. It could be just because the artist is a big name (he is a collector after all), or he's looking at them from a humanitarian angle and finds this to be an important subject matter to support and spread awareness of.
I'm glad you're aware of how there are holes in this whole pizzagate argument. I won't shame anyone for being intrigued by the conspiracy, but all I ask is that you evaluate ALL possible angles (including the simple and innocuous ones) before accepting the cutely ribboned narrative that the conspiracy theorists have woven out of these random pizza-themed emails. I tend to lean on the side of skepticism myself, which leads to a lot of arguments whenever I'm on this subreddit.
0 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
It's because the language seems weird and excessively detailed to me.
Take a second to envision what this lady is describing. A handkerchief that has a map on it that "seems pizza-related." What the fuck does that even mean. What would that look like? What would this item be? A map that has all the different pizza locations in town? Printed on a handkerchief nice enough that people that it was necessary to try to track down the original owner? Who would make such an item? There is no one that would make a map that is pizza related and then print that on a nice handkerchief.
It's absurd. Seriously, tell me how this pizza-related map silk handkerchief came into existenece.
2 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
it's a typo; they meant mark and autocorrect changed it to map. a pizza-related mark on a used handkerchief sounds pretty freaking reasonable to me. Go ahead, explain how a typo is ridiculous when a pizza sex dungeon handkerchief map isn't.
3 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
I dunno if auto-correct would do that. And the amount of typos in the email suggests auto-correct wasn't a factor here.
We've all done it: Meant one word and said or typed something completely different.
Looking back through my posts in this topic, I can see that I have done exactly the same thing on two occasions (giving the realtor's name as 'Kate' when it was 'Kathy' and typing 'though' instead of 'thought'). Both caused by not really paying attention.
The other thing that amuses me about this pizza map hogwash is the fact that Susan's email specifically refers to 'the kitchen island'.
Given the starring role of sinister secret islands in this entire rigmarole, it's pretty funny that no-one has yet woven that into a theory and instead everyone is making heavy weather of a fucking hanky.
2 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Why on earth would auto correct change the word "mark" to "map"? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Auto correct works by taking a mispelled word and making it into a correct word. Mark is not a misspelled word, "mark" is a word spelled correctly, why why the hell would auto correct turn mark into map? I can type mark into my auto correct all day and it will never change it to map, that doesn't even make sense.
3 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
You mean mark but you type masklp or something because your thumbs hit nearby keys by accident and the phone guesses you meant map.
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Makeup is what auto correct does when I type that, not even close.
5 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
That was just a random fucking arrangement of letters I wasn't conducting a live reenactment for you.
0 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Okay, and your argument still makes zero sense, nice try Obama.
4 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
It's totally plausible. I wanna punch a wall from the number of times I've had things in autocorrect make me say the wrong thing.
1 DaneGleesac 2016-12-05
Why the hell would a pedophile keep a map of secret places they go to rape children on a fucking handkerchief that he haphazardly leaves behind and doesn't care to get back? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Code words guy.
2 DaneGleesac 2016-12-05
"It's the government, of course it's going to be inefficient as all hell just like everything else the government operates."
Your words not mine. So the only time government functions is when they're covering up a mass pedophile ring? Got it.
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Obviously not. If they were efficient this stuff would have never come to light, but it did, because they were inefficient at operating a pedo ring. Thanks for further proving my point.
2 DaneGleesac 2016-12-05
No, because there isn't a single piece of actual evidence that could prove any of this. A witness, a whistle-blower, any pictures or videos of any of these acts actually taking place. Everything is circumstantial, "so in so is connected to this pedophile so they must be kidnapping children and raping them in this pizza place."
This is how pizzagate works: When I was a kid my old neighbor was a pedophile. "Dane_Gleesac has ties to well-known pedophile!
His childhood neighbor was a convicted pedophile see [article that talks about my neighbor as a pedophile] [Article where I talk about the neighborhood I'm from]
While he was in jail, Dane received money from the pedophile - $30 a week for mowing lawns - seems like a lot just for mowing a small lawn [image from Google maps of the house with the acreage of the house][article where I talk about mowing lawns throughout my neighborhood as a kid when people were away] could it be this money was for keep quiet?? $30 a week for 5 years is over 3000!!
Dane has a history of making questionable remarks about children [article quoting me talking about children that at face value means nothing but when you think I fuck kids could be deemed bad] [unrelated article where the author talks about my passion for children based charities] [article where said charity may have done something questionable but completely unrelated to child sex trafficking]
Dane is a pedophile previously on a pedophiles payroll, now works with charities with children - he's fucking kids in a pizza places basement.
There is no evidence there. It's all made up bullshit. Sorry but you're ridiculous for believing this shit. Good luck on your witch hunt
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
If there was nothing to it, there wouldn't be literal mountains of circumstantial evidence and other creepy shit going on. Is it true 100%? Who knows but just dismissing it would be stupid. If you don't think a group of powerful people could be participating in a pedo ring out in the open then I'm sorry but you're not very bright.
2 DaneGleesac 2016-12-05
And you're not very bright if you get two DUI's, but we all have different opinions on different things. Good luck with your witch hunt, I just hope innocent people aren't hurt by you crazy fucks.
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Haha, am I supposed to care that you're reading through my posts on other subs and using that info to attack me? Cause really I don't give a shit. You're just showing how pathetic you really are. Go read some more of my posts.
1 stordoff 2016-12-05
Not that it really matters ("pizza-related mark" is a weird/specific way to phrase it, even if it is a totally innocent remark), but try a Windows Phone sometime. It'll happily learn to "correct" proper words - mine routinely replaces "if" and "in" with "I ", and more bizarrely will sometimes "correct" "sandwich" to "sandeich".
0 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
If autocorrect was being used how did "yorus" get through? I just tested autocorrect on my phone and it changes yorus to yours automatically. So that proves they weren't using autocorrect does it not? And I think it also demonstrates that you do think there is something weird about the use of the word map, since you are trying to find away to explain it away, which wouldn't be necessary if there was nothing weird.
Checkmate.
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
I'm saying it's weird in the way the sentence "I was ducking your mother last night" is weird. Is it an typo, or did I serve your mother roast duck yesterday? r/conspiracy would be lead to believe I am an enthusiast for aviary cooking, while a rational human being would assume that I'm making an insulting remark regarding your mum that didn't get typed perfectly.
1 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
Autocorrect was clearly not being used. The word "yorus" is there instead of "yours," which autocorrect would definitely have picked up.
It seems to me you are more or less admitting that if they did in fact mean to say that the handkerchief had a map that seemed pizza related that is weird.
The thing is they did mean map. "Mark" is not a typo. It has more letters than the word map, and the letters r and k aren't next to the p.
They meant map. It is weird.
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
I'm saying it's a typo because that's the most plausible explanation, but even if the guy was 100% lucid, sober, and in perfect typing ability when he typed the word map, that STILL doesn't mean that it's a map to a sex dungeon or covered in insemination or whatever other stupid shit you guys are fixated on. Some things can't be magically explained away with pedophilia conspiracy theories.
it's a typo, get over it.
1 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
It isn't plausible at all. There are more letters in mark than map, the letter p is nowhere the p. Do you even know what a typo is?
The fact that you have argued so strongly against it being the word map just shows that there truly is something weird with the sentence.
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
it makes a hell of a lot more sense as a typo than the actual word map, otherwise it sounds like some kind of dialogue from tim and eric.
1 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
Jesus you really don't get it do you.
It makes no sense as a typo. There is no way you accidentally type in the letters r and k for p.
Exactly why people are saying it seems like code for something.
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
But you don't crack a code by inventing the cipher, which is what people are trying to do by finding some kind of way to connect "map" to something related to this whole pizza conspiracy.
5 bottomknob 2016-12-05
Podesta needs to just come out and explain why someone would say 'pizza related map' in the first place
2 smileybird 2016-12-05
It could be a typo/autocorrect for "pizza related mark"
1 bottomknob 2016-12-05
ok, then wtf does "pizza related 'mark' mean?"
3 DaneGleesac 2016-12-05
Grease or sauce stain. A mark possibly left from cleaning your mouth with a handkerchief after eating pizza.
Or a map of where children are being held and raped on a handkerchief he carelessly left somewhere and didn't bother needing it back. Both reasonable.
2 King_Of_Regret 2016-12-05
You wipe your mouth with a handkerchief. Pizza goes in your mouth. Self explanatory. Oh wait I forgot. The majority of you think its an incredibly incriminating mixture of rape blood and his semen, that is either used to make art with or used to capture the 'energy' of the act for literal demonic overlords. Jesus fucking Christ listen to yourselves.
1 smileybird 2016-12-05
A tomato sauce stain
2 Mrbumby 2016-12-05
Don't you think Podests has better things to do than giving explanations about a handkerchief to some conspiracy theorists?
Also even if he would give a reasonable and logic explanations most of those people wouldn't believe him Away and would take his statement as some sort of proof.
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
Pizza related "mark" (typo) would close the door completely on too much of the fun though wouldn't it?
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Really? You guys don't realize how insane this is to everyone beyond your bubble. A critical thinker can see it. Nobody sees it as something that warrants much or any discussion. I guess until somebody starts bringing guns into a pizza joint.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jBqQ1zGbqsQ/U82oYDrfU3I/AAAAAAAABuI/m0CPHbHgPQc/s1600/NYC-Bandana-Natural.jpg
1 SlowedDownLight 2016-12-05
It's not a map to a dungeon it has the DNA of the one committing the act and the DNA of the victim so it will lead back to those two, hence the code word "map".
3 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
But then is that really more likely than a guy just being a hipster and having a handkerchief he likes that he'd probably want back?
1 [deleted] 2016-12-05
I don't think we'd be jumping to that conclusion if it weren't for all the other weird art, photos, and symbolism surrounding this that keeps pointing back to.pedophilia or little kids in some way or another.
I get where youre coming from, the emails themselves are nothing. Just an additional injection of 'strange' into an already bizarre situation. The more those pile up, the easier it is for people to jump to conclusions.
3 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
But art, instagram photos, and "symbolism" (whatever the fuck that means in this context) isn't enough either. You can still take these things literally. Podesta is an art collector and purchases big name artists to show off, a guy runs a family-themed pizza place and ends up in photographs with children, and there's no symbolism in real life; this isn't some hipster experimental movie.
Just keep an open mind and evaluate all evidence. Sometimes it feels like things connect when they don't. That's just how the human brain works, and you have to remember to look at things from all angles, even the less exciting ones.
2 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Okay, let me explain what I mean.
By 'art', I'm referring to numerous illustrations of kids in bondage all over his house.
By 'symbolism' I'm referring to the symbol that the FBI recognizes as a code for 'little boy lover' being not only on display outside of the pizza place, but in a few other murals, websites, and pieces of art as well.
And the photos of children that I'm worried about are the ones labeled 'hoetard', the ones with references to 'kill rooms', the one where someone is pulling out a child's teeth, and the one with a little girl's hands taped to a table.
You're downplaying how weird all of those things are individually, much less together.
I am trying to keep an open mind. It took me awhile to give this conspiracy even a passing glance because it sounded so stupid. And I can't help but feel stupid for even talking about it. But all the same, these things are all unnerving as hell and I'm not just going to brush them off.
4 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
The dude is a collector, he has a lot of different art, and if you're into that scene you're used to seeing weird shit than most people (saying that as an art enthusiast myself). A lotta collectors are just playing pokemon cards and are trying to catch all the big names, and this artist is likely one of his targets.
And symbols don't mean shit. Some geometric shapes accidentally resemble other geometric shapes sometimes and accidentally carry the meanings of other interpretations. Examples: the swastika as a symbol of nazism and a hindi symbol of peace, random triangles vs the illuminati, and how the equation c=3 looks kinda like a penis.
and photos are photos. Some people say weird shit or take odd pictures that doesn't make sense without context. That doesn't invite you to invent a context to make it about pedophilia.
I get how intriguing this shit is and how fun it is to imagine uncovering a crime ring through an internet forum meme board, but you really should keep the eye of skepticism high for as long as you can. This whole mess still depends on a lot of assumptions and nothing concrete.
2 [deleted] 2016-12-05
So, I get that high art can be weird. Kids in bondage crosses a line IMO. But if that was the only thing, I'd just let it go.
The pictures are weird, but similarly explainable. If THAT was the only thing, I'd just brush it off...
The symbols are actually what pedophiles use to identify each other. There is a purpose to using them. Maybe in this case it's just a weird coincidence. And if that was the only thing... you see where I'm going with this.
But they changed the symbol when people started calling them out.
Then you have the association between Clinton and that woman who was caught illegally smuggling children out of Haiti. Under the guise of humanitarian work... and her fake lawyer who's married to a wanted human trafficker...
Then you have convicted pedophile and rapist Jeffrey Epstein himself claiming to be a cofounder of the Clinton foundation. All for humanitarian purposes, naturally...
At what point do you consider it healthy be suspicious about all of this, as a package? I'm not pretending to have the answers. I recognize that many people here are taking this way too far and acting like fools. I'm not calling for anyones head or anything like that. And tbh I'd rather not be involved at all. But we have seen these types of pedo rings covered up time and time again... so I guess that's my only question- at what point do you start to take this seriously?
3 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
I don't see why it's shocking to get rid of a symbol when people point out that it might resemble something unintended. Like, what if I don't follow politics but I went into a store and saw a Make America Great Again hat, and thought "yeah! this is an encouraging message to get behind!" and bought it and started wearing it around? Then I walk around and people think I'm a trump supporter for wearing that cap. I'm gonna take the hat off because people are assuming I'm a trump supporter and I'm definitely not. The hat is a symbol for being a trump supporter to most, and I don't want to invent that association so I disassociate myself with the hat. Same thing here likely with this so-called pedophile symbol.
People and life is more complicated than this. Donald Trump is a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein, is Trump involved in this conspiracy? I've never heard him mentioned in any of these threads. Does the Clinton foundation provide millions of people with anti-HIV medication just for the sole purpose of hiding kid-smuggling activities? Is anyone who helps this humanitarian effort of fighting HIV through the Clinton Foundation implicated in this too?
Pedo rings are a real thing, and I would be fucking proud if someone's gonna find concrete implicating proof of some kind of trafficking ring accidentally through all this "investigating". But right now all I see is a bunch of armchair detectives pretending that if you find enough coincidences it becomes concrete evidence. This pizzagate shit is a joke that's been unconsciously invented by conspiracy theorists to dislike their hated liberal politicians even more, and there are better uses of people's time out there if they genuinely want to fight human trafficking.
2 [deleted] 2016-12-05
By some accounts, Trump was involved in Epstein's pedo resort. One of his employees testified in court that he witnessed Trump receiving oral sex from two 12 and 13 year old girls. Trump has made comments indicating that he was at least aware of Epstein's activities before the news broke. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who visited Epstein's pedo resort island is suspicious. We have wikileaks to thank for morphing into a clearly politically motivated organization, which is why we may not be seeing anything about the right on this issue.
And no, not all humanitarian work is a guise for sex trafficking. But anything Epstein was involved in IS suspicious. And the woman smuggling children out of Haiti is just... well what else could you make of that, her lawyer, and the fact that Clinton herself came down to save her ass?
I do get where youre coming from. I'll even take your advice and slow my roll a bit. But these things don't get broken wide open on their own. Reddit isn't going to crack the case but somebody has to bring attention to it before anyone else will touch it. Otherwise, you never know, we'll look back 10 years from now saying 'how did we miss the signs while all these children were abused' just like everyone did with Saville, the Catholic church, and other high profile pedophile rings...
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
When all of the "coincidences" are all bundled up in emails that have to do with the clintons and other political people in "high" positions, yeah, I'm far more likely to believe that this guy want's a "hankerchief" back because he's into something far more disgusting. Lolita express??? Come on....
It makes even less sense to have all this connected by code words just for the sake of an actual innocent little piece of cloth to wipe someone's nose.
5 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Golly gee, the emails of one of the heads of the Hillary Clinton campaign connect to the Clintons?!?!? And one of the most prominent politicians of modern American history has connections to "other political people in 'high' positions"?
The problem with all this is that none of these conspiracies make sense if you read these emails literally. A handkerchief is just a handkerchief. Pizza is just pizza. An art gallery is just an art gallery. And a pizza restaurant is a pizza restaurant. I so far have seen NOTHING that makes it difficult for me to read these emails as such, and I see a whole lot of freaking out over nothing because of it.
5 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
Fantastic, I'm happy you have such confidence in what they're telling you! It seems you can depart from r/conspiracy and be happy that things moving forward will always vindicate you and your belief! Yay!
Never mind Jimmy Saville, never mind all the other pedo rings of the past......this is just pure fiction!!!
Seriously, you don't have to respond anymore. I get where you're coming from now. Thanks.
4 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Mate I wasted a good afternoon reading about this stuff and I saw a whole lot of rabble over nothing. If y'all actually were hunting down pedophiles I'd be thrilled, but all I see is a game of 6 degrees of kevin bacon where we try to find every possible way to connect a random DC pizza place to all the liberal politicians that right-wing redditors hate, on the assumption that there's a secret child prostitution dungeon somewhere in that pizza place because some emails about pizza from a clinton staffer's email account could be also about diddling kids if you replace the word pizza in every instance with child.
there are very productive ways to fight crime and trafficking out there, but pizzagate ain't it.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
Thanks for your time!
3 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Hey you're welcome. I'm always happy to provide a more skeptical and rational viewpoint within this community, which tends to be more of an echo chamber of ridiculous narrative-spinnings. Not saying I'm necessarily right 100% of the time, but I think it's important to evaluate things from every possible angle rather than jumping to the most ridiculous thing, so we can reach a conclusion based on what still sticks after long debate.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
I think you're wrong on the community. This places isn't for everyone. I've run into a few people who seem to be your speed. You have your own pace and idea on what is reasonable and you can only accept it one way.
You understand what the word subjective is, right? You just showed me where you are at. Your "rational viewpoint within this community" is.......SUBJECTIVE!!! To claim the title "rational viewpoint" is pretty funny.
R/conspiracy doesn't have to be more skeptical just to please you. Do your thing here but you're going to run into resistance when you come at people with the only "rational viewpoint within this community" attitude.
1 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
By rational I mean I try to lay as far on the skeptical side as possible, so that when I believe something I know for sure that there is no other reasonable possibility. Is that really so ridiculous?
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
Not at all. I understand. Your previous message was one that sounded like you were immune to manipulation or disinformation. Then, paired with claims that pizzagate is cut and dry not an issue, I saw a sort of arrogance without thinking of the potential to be swayed here. Reddit = social manipulation capital of the internet.
I only want to bring in more people and have them see this stuff. Now is not the time to claim its true OR false. It is technically speculation, but when paired with the efforts of a guy to "attack" CPP, a removal and change to the camera overlooking CPP only the day before and the total lack of coverage or attention to the details on behalf of your media, means.......we are up against an effort.
If there was nothing to this, the media wouldn't have to attack or discredit in any way shape or form. They could lay out the details for everyone and laugh the conspiracy movement into oblivion, but they do not. They don't let people decide, they chose to label and discredit. They ignore the details and mock the process. That should tell you enough.
Skeptical can mean you don't buy it right now, but you can't discount it either. But, whatever......you are where you are.
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
It's the same thing over and over. When each piece of "evidence" is easily explained, it is abandoned for "well yeah, but don't get hung up on this one piece. look at all of it." No, it doesn't work like that.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
I have not seen any of it explained. You don't have to make stuff up.
1 Surfdetective 2016-12-05
It's about trump and his sniffles.
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4 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
How is an autocorrect typo so implausible? I had to delete a few in the process of even making this post.
4 meeu 2016-12-05
autocorrect typo is implausible. the most likely explanation is a vast pedo ring run by every liberal i hate
2 Domenicaxx66xx 2016-12-05
What did they mean to type when asking if it's better to play dominos on cheese or pasta?
2 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
you'd have to gimme the rest of the email because I'm not saying shit without context.
1 Domenicaxx66xx 2016-12-05
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613
8 royalstaircase 2016-12-05
Hahahaha to me it sounds like the guy likes playing dominoes and is asking if he'd be better at it on cheese or pasta, as if those were performance enhancing drugs. Sounds like a stupid dad joke to me.
3 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
There is a previous email where they talk about getting thrashed in dominos by some lady. So this is exactly what it was, a stupid dad joke.
3 ParyGanter 2016-12-05
But all this is based on changing what was said into something else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the foundation of PizzaGate is the assumption that every time a Podesta email mentions pizza its code for something sinister.
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2 coocookuhchoo 2016-12-05
Yeah let's please stick with plausible explanations, like a satanic pedophilia ring implicating some of the most powerful people in American politics.
3 twsmith 2016-12-05
The simplest explanation is that she talked to the realtor on the phone to tell here where the pillows are (discussed in the other part of the email), and they talked about the handkerchief, too.
I don't understand what people think is so strange about the handkerchief. There are handkerchiefs with maps (1, 2, 3) and there are pizza-related handkerchiefs (4, 5, 6, 7, 8), and lots of other pizza-themed merchandise. And there are maps that seem pizza-related (though that one isn't a handkerchief). What's so hard to believe about a handkerchief with a "map that seems pizza-related"? People are acting like she said she found a leprechaun with a pot of gold.
2 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
Yeah, maybe. I'm not overly wedded to a strict interpretation of all this, just showing how easily (and how probably) utter mundanities start seeming like crucial clues when you get into that suspicious frame of mind.
2 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
The problem is that map and mark are no where near each other on the keyboard. Simple logic wins.
10 Nijos 2016-12-05
Autocorrect doesn't care where keys are on keyboards, simple emails like this one are sent from cellphones regularly
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2016-12-05
Ummm, yes it does.
I can type mark all day and not once will it correct it into map, like for real come on, you can do better than that I would hope...
The auto correct excuse has to be the dumbest shit I've heard today, and I've heard some dumb shit.
3 Nijos 2016-12-05
A four letter word starting with M couldn't be auto-corrected to a three letter word starting with M? Huh.
0 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
Also officials sending emails should take the time to actively check their messages so as to avoid confusion, but perhaps I'm presumptuous.
11 Nijos 2016-12-05
it's a realtor sending a casual email about a handkerchief, not an "official."
This isn't the state of the union address, should they hire proof readers to check their emails about lost-and found?
5 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
They should be competent enough to proof read most of their own shit.
11 isubird33 2016-12-05
I get emails day in and day out from CEO's of million dollar companies that have typos and emojis. Its pretty common.
2 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
Well with the rampant inability to separate public and private affairs I completely agree that it is possible they send informal emails. Yet these emails are not complete gibberish as auto-correct often does. These are coherent albeit obscure phrasings, and in my mind are coded.
"pizza related marked handerkief" If it was simply a tablecloth with leftover food why the fuck wouldn't they throw it away?
6 isubird33 2016-12-05
Well for one, because a handkerchief isn't a tablecloth, and secondly, a good handkerchief can be expensive and just simply washed.
I've had buddies visit me for a weekend ask that I hold on to the random pair of socks that they left at my house.
2 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
Jesus fucking christ... these aren't "officials" in "public affairs".
This was a realtor in Martha's Vineyard (who appears to specialize in vacation rentals) e-mailing Sandler's daughter, who then e-mails Podesta.... who subsequently tells her that this crucial piece of DNA evidence (and conclusive proof of ritualistic child sex abuse) is "not worth worrying about". Call me crazy, but I'm thinking that Podesta would be very interested in getting the handkerchief back if it is as nefarious as you assholes say it is.
You guys are on to something, though... in the same e-mail, she talks about "the pillows you purchased". Pillows is widely known throughout the pedophile community as code word for fat kids. Did Podesta and Sandler's daughter purchase a bunch of fat kids at the Martha's Vineyard home?
7 Tumdace 2016-12-05
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
3 Nijos 2016-12-05
they probably do for the most part, how would you know? But I hardly think "hey did you forget your reusable kleenex?" warranted a lot of attention
2 ButtRichard 2016-12-05
Why would someone who potentially makes millions a year need a reusable napkin. He could more easily have it replaced.
3 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
He didn't need it back. His exact words were that it was "nothing to worry about"!
YOU guys are the ones making it out to be some semen rag encrusted with the blood of raped children. The realtor was just doing a common courtesy to see if somebody wanted it back.
It's what normal human beings do when somebody leaves something at their home. Regardless of value.
2 Nijos 2016-12-05
Because he likes it? Maybe it's nice? Maybe it was a gift or something? Maybe his dad owned it? By your line of thinking, why should a rich person ever attempt to recover any property that they have misplaced?
And again, any of these explanations are more reasonable than "global pedo ring cus handkerchief"
2 umatik 2016-12-05
I lost my handkerchief with little snails on it years ago and I still think about it and wish I still had it.
People chasing this story is so ludicrous
1 Nijos 2016-12-05
I respect the curiosity. It's the insistence that they know with 100% certainty what's going on that bugs me
3 umatik 2016-12-05
And that is what I mean is ludicrous.
I was curious to see what the flavour of the month was so I looked into it because I am curious too.
It is all the definition of gish gallop that it should probably be renamed after pizza gate IMO.
It's vague enough they can project their own fears onto it (IT INVOLVES CLINTON!!! AND DA (((GLOBALISTS)))!! THE GAYS ORGANIZING IT!! WHO WORSHIP SATAN!!!!!) while they cherry pick what little non ludicrous shit they can find and use to twist around.
It is one thing to respect the concept of curiosity, another to respect people twisting tenuous facts to shove an agenda. Especially while people are traveling 5 hours with 3 guns, shooting in the establishment etc.
Even to be nice, given conspiracies aren't necessarily always ludicrous horseshit and guns aren't some intense evil that no person should haves access to: some advice for people who think pizza gate is real.
If you think this is the abyss and they are all monsters, whatever. But do not become a monster yourself. Try to keep your beliefs safe for others including regular staff and patrons who are not involved in all this alleged high level machiavellian satanic pedophilia... Believe if you want but don't be stupid in your actions!
2 Nijos 2016-12-05
I completely agree. I've never seen people so impassioned about something they know next to nothing about
1 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
Depends what you mean by 'typo'. Yes, some typos are simply keyboard mis-hits.
But I think that you, or indeed anyone, would have to admit that there are occasions where you type completely the wrong word without noticing, and later cannot figure out what you must have been thinking at the time.
Everyone does this. It is completely normal. And the preponderance of other typos in the email supports the idea.
I can't prove it. But again, the fact of the matter is that 'Susan' hadn't actually seen the handkerchief she was writing about. So, how does the conspiracy theory account for that?
1 coocookuhchoo 2016-12-05
Wow. That makes a lot of sense.
0 [deleted] 2016-12-05
-the same typo 3 times? What makes you think 'map' is supposed to be 'mark'? That just seems like a guess on your part.
-why don't they just talk like normal people about the missing handkerchief? Why does it sound like they're obfuscating their messages when it'd be more simple and quicker to speak like a normal person?
3 falsescorpion 2016-12-05
The typo only appears once, not three times. Not sure where you got that idea.
And they are talking like normal people. Normal people make in-jokes, ask opinions, fool around, use loose phrasing.
19 FriendlessComputer 2016-12-05
I, however, do not read these emails and think "they must be talking about raping kids!"
I do agree that the emails are very odd. But the problem is one random person on 4chan outright made up a post tying certain key phrases in the emails into pedophilia related terms, which is how this whole thing blew up as a pedophilia conspiracy. None of it is based in reality, the terms don't mean what people here think they do.
It's a classic psyop: one person said "ice cream" means male prostitue and "hotdog" means young boy, and it got repeated here enough that people just bought it hook line and sinker without a shred of verifiable evidence to prove it.
13 therealmerloc 2016-12-05
Too bad cheese pizza is culturally synonymous with CP and predates 4chan
MAP also means = Minor Attracted Person, in case anyone didn't know already
6 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
Or it's just cheese pizza. The proof isn't there. Go ahead and give me the proof that these are child rapist code words that come from the FBI? That's been claimed with no evidence so I'm genuinely looking forward to it
5 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
Yea thats the real crazy part that EVERYONE is glossing over. Show me where those are "pedo terms" as they call them. No, one person said pizza means young girl and that was enough to start this whole thing. No one can provide proof that ANY of those terms are pedophile slang, but it doesn't fit the narrative, so we must be shills.
5 CreamOfTheClop 2016-12-05
There's not exactly a glossary of "official" pedophilia terms, dude, but shit loads of people on the Internet know that cheese pizza is slang for child porn and way predates this scandal
3 Arcanorum 2016-12-05
Cheese pizza usually just means cheese pizza. Every pizza place on the planet has cheese pizza on the menu, but the vast majority aren't offering children to their customers.
1 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
Show one source. Now I'm not one to say this is impossible, but the "evidence" here is nil.
1 CreamOfTheClop 2016-12-05
Alright, I know urban dictionary isn't exactly a reputable source but the top two definitions definitely predate this.
1 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
correct lol
1 CreamOfTheClop 2016-12-05
Personally I don't 100% believe pizzagate is real. My point in this thread is to show that yes, these ARE terms recognized by people on the Internet. They didn't just pull the pizza thing out of their asses.
1 Zorcmsr5 2016-12-05
And I disagree. I think cheese pizza means cheese pizza, and I think a handkerchief (which I now know how to spell due to this thread) is just a fucking handkerchief that he left behind.
2 StaffSummarySheet 2016-12-05
All you do is look at evidence and say, "Where's the evidence?" That's literally your entire post history, you shill.
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1 MARCORUBIO_RAVEPARTY 2016-12-05
The "grander" could be an implementation of harassment laws for the Internet similar to those in the UK.
1 KharakIsBurning 2016-12-05
Russia
17 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
You keep it on the kitchen island?
Source:
http:// www. naplesnet .com /turks/crusviLstJames.html (copy/paste link and delete spaces)
43 know_comment 2016-12-05
dude... a kitchen island is the goddamned countertop in the middle of your kitchen. they aren't referring to a secret island where pedos keep their secret pedo handkerchiefs.
-5 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
Hey keep on believing that, even if you're totally off base.
8 know_comment 2016-12-05
"base": definition-
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/base
so by my being off base you were referring to me not being in an area fortified by the military, thus implying that you ARE in an area fortified by the military.
By your logic I've just proven that the pizzagate conspiracy theory is a DOD operation intended to discredit this sub. sound the alarms...
4 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
3 twsmith 2016-12-05
Here is the kitchen island in the house where they were staying on Martha's vineyard.
3 HarryParatesties 2016-12-05
That's a lovely kitchen.
2 twsmith 2016-12-05
It's a rather nice house.
1 citricacidx 2016-12-05
Link doesn't work anymore. Page has been taken offline, and the Wayback Machine has nothing on it...
4 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
try
naplesnet.com/turks/crusviLstJames.html
with www. in front of it
2 Aarno4412 2016-12-05
You gotta remove the spaces. The link works.
3 citricacidx 2016-12-05
Weird, it loaded a bunch of lines of text unable to load resources previously.
15 sokpuppet1 2016-12-05
Why is it more realistic that this is code for an international pedophilia ring, instead of, maybe, there being a handkerchief like this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/398560521/new-york-city-map-pocket-square-brooklyn?ref=market that might have a pizza place on it somewhere?
13 Cessno 2016-12-05
These people are fucked in the head. They can't even fathom a simple explanation like yours
10 umatik 2016-12-05
And they're shut in 4chan dwellers so they think everyone uses their child pron lingo and have no frame of reference for weirdo fringe artists who post strange photos and do weird performance art.
It's a generation of NEETs on the ultimate hunt for some good boy points.
It's sad to see it fester everywhere on here, I miss conspiracy before the far right politicized the vast majority of the subs content.
3 5S5S5SS5 2016-12-05
Yes it's easy to think one of these weird things is just coincidence, but you have to be pretty fucking retarded to think they all are.
10 Stjerneklar 2016-12-05
you know, if you just say that blue is a codeword for red, the sky is red.
11 Injectortape 2016-12-05
Why would you apply code words to something so straightforward and make it nonsensical?
10 Domenicaxx66xx 2016-12-05
I am curious about the "Field house" it was found in by the "realtor" on a "kitchen island".
field house
noun 1. a large building, often part of a college, that provides space for a variety of athletic facilities, such as basketball and squash courts, a running track, a swimming pool, exercise equipment, and often an indoor arena with spectator seating.
2. a building usually adjacent to an athletic field and equipped with changing rooms, lockers, showers, etc., for those using the athletic facility.
10 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
Field is his last name! Goddammit people.
9 twsmith 2016-12-05
The house that they were staying in is owned by Mr. Field. I looked it up in the county property records.
3 arachnopussy 2016-12-05
Source? I don't remember the emails ever specifying an address or identifying information.
4 twsmith 2016-12-05
Email id 18730
You can check for last name Field here: http://www.masslandrecords.com/Dukes/
1 arachnopussy 2016-12-05
304 results.
Still don't see your connection.
6 twsmith 2016-12-05
It's on the first page. There are only two records with a street address on the first page, and one is on Harborview Lane. Check it against wikileaks email 18730 and you'll see that it matches.
3 arachnopussy 2016-12-05
Cool I see it now. 'Field' definitely refers to the home owner.
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3 KandiFlippin 2016-12-05
To make this comment useful, a kitchen island is a table in the middle of the kitchen people put stuff on while they're cooking.
-1 Domenicaxx66xx 2016-12-05
Not if it's in a field house.
7 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
It is most definitely code, that much is for sure
6 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
Why is it definitely code? How did you come to that conclusion?
EDIT: are you going to just downvote or provide an explanation? Why is "definitely" a code?
4 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
Because it makes no sense when you read it literally. A 'good' code language should make sense when you read it literally, but should mean something totally different to the appropriate people. This is just sloppy language that makes no sense in any literal context. I suppose the person who wrote it could be mentally challenged - but considering these "codewords" appear in several different emails, it establishes a trend of using phrases that make no sense.
I didn't say that it ABSOLUTELY means anything CP related (altho i think it does); but the most logical explanation is that it is code words
5 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
It just sounds like a normal email to me. What phrase is confusing to you?
5 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
"The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?"
Makes no fucking sense. And 'pizza' is an operative word that occurs in several emails in a context that makes no sense to the subject
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
I don't think it's that confusing. They found a handkerchief it had a map(typo for mark?) that seems pizza related. It's the most boring email in the world.
Is that really your threshold for calling something code? If you don't understand it, it must be code?
And you treat it as established fact that pizza is an operative word. There's no evidence of that. You may speculate but there is absolutely no hard evidence.
3 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
Bullshit- it appears in several emails. And yes - that is exactly my threshold for code. If it makes no sense and it is repeatedly used in sentences that make no sense, either the person doesnt know what the word means or it is code. And since everybody knows what pizza is, you can go fuck right off for trying to act dumb
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
Ok, let me get this straight. If it confuses you and it's used several times, it is code. You seem to know a lot about code talk. Can you show me example of when you used that method(something confusing used more than once) and it did indeed turn out to be code? Has that ever worked for you?
EDIT: I guess you can't show me an example.
2 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
I'm sorry - I misspoke. I only see pizza used maybe twice. However, there seems to be a common use of 'food' (not just pizza) repeatedly in places that the context makes no sense. It was hard finding one place with all the emails while on the go, but I just quickly pulled up this website that seems to detail a bunch of them:
https://www.google.com/amp/yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pedophile-code-words-podesta/amp/?client=safari
P.S. When I use code, i make sure the sentence makes sense to a normal person reading it, but it is assumed that the people that I am really talking to KNOW what I am talking about. Its like using an inside joke for your friends while you are talking to an unsuspecting bystander. Its quite easy
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
I don't find the connection between food and child sexual exploitation that convincing. I have no reason to believe that they are speaking in code. In fact, I think it's pretty obvious that they are just taking about food.
I think that people are seeing what they wan to see. Finding patterns where none exist. Tens of thousands of emails and only a few oblique references to food that sound slightly odd. That's what we have. No witnesses. No known victims. No DNA evidence. No video or audio evidence. No financial records to suggest a massive pedo conspiracy. In other words, not a single piece of evidence that could be presented in a court of law.
If you are going to accuse someone of pedophilia and child rape (!), you better have some evidence. Otherwise it's a witchhunt and a politically motivated one at that.
1 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
I already said, theres no indication that they are discussing CP in any way- but I disagree with you that it isn't code- playing dominos on pasta makes no sense. Don't necessarily know what the words mean, but they don't mean them literally
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
Playing on pasta or cheese. It means would you rather play dominoes while eating pizza or pasta? And here's a background email on them playing dominoes previously: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34860
There is no evidence. Nothing. You look through tens of thousands of emails and this is all you have. Not a single thing. There is as much evidence of a pedo sex ring as there is of a dog fighting conspiracy. Maybe pizza is code for dog and dominos is code for fighting? Why not? People are just making shit up.
1 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
Well, you're right about one thing - there is no evidence (in the form of a picture or video ect). But there are just little hints and sprinkles of clues/cues littered all around. People and places are tied together in funny ways. Some people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is history behind it, at least decades worth that brings us to this weird culminating place. This is an investigation, and they are the suspect. Something weird is going on, and people are looking into it.
And I already said, I wasn't bringing CP into it; just the fact that the phrases appeared code-sounding to me. But for some reason you keep bringing it up; its kind of interesting, really
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
You keep retreating. Now it's just "something weird is going on" but you have no idea what it is. So what is pizzagate about then? Weird things of unknown significance? Maybe we should call slightlyoddemailphrasinggate. To better reflect what we are doing here. Sprinkled clues of what? About what? You have no fucking idea.
1 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
Holy shit, i literally just explained ALL of that to you
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1 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
I'm sorry - I misspoke. I only see pizza used maybe twice. However, there seems to be a common use of 'food' (not just pizza) repeatedly in places that the context makes no sense. It was hard finding one place with all the emails while on the go, but I just quickly pulled up this website that seems to detail a bunch of them:
https://www.google.com/amp/yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pedophile-code-words-podesta/amp/?client=safari
1 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2016-12-05
Maybe it was a fucking pizza map handkerchief like the one I found after 5 fucking seconds on Google
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jBqQ1zGbqsQ/U82oYDrfU3I/AAAAAAAABuI/m0CPHbHgPQc/s1600/NYC-Bandana-Natural.jpg
1 ReluctantPawn 2016-12-05
Clearly code. Probably for a massive pedophile/murder ring. No other explanation.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jBqQ1zGbqsQ/U82oYDrfU3I/AAAAAAAABuI/m0CPHbHgPQc/s1600/NYC-Bandana-Natural.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/market/map_handkerchief
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
It is a fucking typo most probably, stop
7 Mutiny32 2016-12-05
What the fuck are you even taking about
5 birthdaysuit11 2016-12-05
Welcome to /r/conspiracy
7 rockytimber 2016-12-05
Marines chant about killing children all the time. Iconic Marine Corps Cadences include:
So, shall we dissect the Marine Corps for child murder? No, lots of groups talk a lot of shit, somehow its an approved element of their camaraderie. Its not proof of crimes committed.
Pizzagate is a sideline. The real issue is that there are already proven cases, and the FBI admits there is an epidemic:
https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/daniel-rosen-s-arrest-1f7befb1762c#.dawo6n7uw
Dr. Lori Handrahan’s forthcoming book Child Porn Nation: America’s Hidden National Security Risk details America’s child sex abuse epidemic. https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/duke-universitys-associate-director-of-center-for-health-policy-drugging-raping-his-own-infant-67fb4e765261#.kbe1bhoju Yes, Hastert, Savile, Sandusky, plenty of the elite are involved, as are plenty of mid and lower level types. Pizzagate does not deserve to be at the center of this investigation. In the big picture, its a sideline. Hastert by himself, with his protectors, is a bigger catch (that was not followed up on). http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/who-else-knew-about-denny-hasterts-cover-up.html Until the police start doing their job and stop protecting these corrupt traitors, there is no way to tie together the real pedophile criminals into a larger conspiracy. Will Pizzagate be at the center? We have already seen that hotter leads are abandoned!!!
6 skeeter1234 2016-12-05
It is a little weird. I just got downvoted in another thread for merely saying it seems a lot like code.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5glvjj/a_harsh_truth_about_fake_news_some_people_are/date0y9/
3 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
Ok, why does it seem like code? Specifically, how do you decide what is code and what is not?
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0 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
It seemed like a typo not code. Hmmmm what's a possible typo? Pizza related mark. Oh. Think I have gotten something that IS SURELY TRUE. NICE TRY CONSPIRACY TARDS
5 7katalan 2016-12-05
I think this is one of the best pieces of evidence. It's clear code; the only possible ambiguity is what the code refers to
3 coocookuhchoo 2016-12-05
I agree it seems very likely that it's code. Who would make a "pizza map" let alone care about it enough to have it sent to them?
That being said, it's an enormous, enormous leap from that to "pizza" meaning a map of a pedophilia ring that implicates the highest reaches of American government. It's crazy to me how many people are so willing to accept such a far-fetched conclusion on such little evidence.
Yes it's theoretically possible that something like that exists. But such a monumental claim should be backed by monumental evidence. Not wildly speculative Da Vinci code clues allegedly left by the organizers of the ring.
edit: Actually, this explanation by /u/falsescorpion seems much more plausible.
1 plebsareneeded 2016-12-05
I don't know why people are having such a hard time with this. I can totally imagine someone having a very in depth conversation about where to find the best area pizza. Especially someone who is pretty into Italian food in general like podesta seems to be. It isn't too hard to believe that they would sketch out a quick map if they were trying to explain where a few places are to someone who isn't familiar with the area. The simplest explanation is usually the best one.
1 coocookuhchoo 2016-12-05
Yeah, that's definitely not out of the question. My point is more that even if it was actually a code, that's still not reason to jump to it being a code for a pedophilia ring. People like Podesta have plenty of things to be secretive about that do not involve pedophilia.
2 Cotecozonia 2016-12-05
What makes this clear code?
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
Pizza-related mark
4 Thhh644-- 2016-12-05
In the same drawer as my French food related map handkerchief
3 ixholla 2016-12-05
Another thing everyone should realize is that this asshole can't conduct that kind of business there anymore because he knows everyone's watching him so the smart money is on him finding a new place.
3 LisaDawnn 2016-12-05
Let's pretend this is as innocent as someone finding a handkerchief on someone's kitchen island...as reported... and wanted to return it to its rightful owner.
What I'm not understanding is, why would the realtor (who found it) even THINK a 'pizza' motif handkerchief be owned by Podesta in the first place? It's so random and weird.
I mean, I can see Colonel Sanders leaving some chicken handkerchief behind and someone thinking it was his but why the hell would a former chief of staffer be associated with pizza?
Without the conspiracy spin, it just doesn't make any sense!!! The conspiracy spin at least gives it legs for phuck sake!! ;)
3 SquareShapeCloud 2016-12-05
So because someone is speaking in code, that means they're obviously talking about pedophilia? Quality argument
1 MichaelAmbrosi 2016-12-05
There's zero evidence of code
3 spezzingout 2016-12-05
I can't make sense of it either. That's why I haven't actually formed an opinion about what it means. The widely accepted explanation for that single email was a post on 4chan by one user who posted their interpretation of what those words mean.
Bottom line is that it's obviously code, but we don't know what that code is. I'd like to see more theories about it, and something more credible for the interpretation than one post on 4chan.
3 MKULTRAMONARCHMOUSE 2016-12-05
I have a second question... what kind of mother invites her 3 daughters to a pool party without her and she call them entertainment ?
2 [deleted] 2016-12-05
Pizzagate summaries:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161122041513/https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5da0kp/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/
http://archive.is/MrsGu
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2 T0mThomas 2016-12-05
Autocorrect?
4 clenched__buttocks 2016-12-05
Hey! No rational explanations are acceptable!
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
Autocorrect in an email? Not spell checker? Are you mixing up phone txt with emails?
3 Scubetrolis 2016-12-05
Most people send emails from their phones. Also, there is literally a black and white handkerchief with a "pizza" map you can purchase. I know, because I got it for my friend from New York for Christmas, mostly as a joke.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
Do you have a picture of that? What would it look like?
2 Scubetrolis 2016-12-05
https://www.etsy.com/listing/398560521/new-york-city-map-pocket-square-brooklyn?ref=market
On mobile, but this is similar.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
So, that is the item we think people are actually talking about in the emails?
1 Scubetrolis 2016-12-05
It makes much more sense than other things I have heard.
1 bittermanscolon 2016-12-05
They came up with some kind of code language when talking about things like "pizza" and "pasta" and "dominoes", but you think they actually were referring to this literal map on a hanker-chief product shown? did you just google that and find the first thing? That might work if you were to not include any other details about the entire issue.
I don't think that simplistic answer can be it.
1 Scubetrolis 2016-12-05
I actually bought one similar like 2 weeks ago, that's how I know about it. I haven't read the other emails, but everyone said this was the worst one, so I wanted to comment on an easier idea. What do the other emails say?
3 Injectortape 2016-12-05
There are still mulitiple typos in the email
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795
2 photonicphacet 2016-12-05
While I don't know about this, according to 4chan…
map = semen pizza = girl
Make of it what you will
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3 photonicphacet 2016-12-05
Me either.
1 IceDagger316 2016-12-05
Pizza does not = girl
Pizza = sex.
It's like the old joke "What do pizza and sex have in common? Even when they're bad, they're still pretty good" or however you may have heard it related.
2 Harambe_Remembers 2016-12-05
clearly he just keeps a map of all the local pizza joints in case he forgets where they are!!! Pedo-esta isn't about that google maps life.
2 tykeryerson 2016-12-05
There are so many more damning parts to this puzzle. Its not that big of a stretch to imagine a silk handkerchief w a map of Italy on it, like the place mats of every Italian restaurant. Just saying, this is not "proof"
2 ixholla 2016-12-05
Its near the pornographic graffiti on the walls where children play ping pong especially.
2 Loud_Volume 2016-12-05
https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com
2 BeyondWikipedia 2016-12-05
It's a joking way of saying "Where do you want to go for dinner? I'm thinking Pizza."
2 Apersonofinterest666 2016-12-05
I've never heard of these handkerchief pizza maps or code before but people keep saying, good people, smart people.... (sorry couldn't help myself.) that Pizzagate is reaching for clues that aren't there. Well I can tell you for certain that if someone wanted to paint me as a Pedo, there is absolutely nothing in my past, online history, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, etc. that would give them that idea about me. Seems everywhere you look with this guy, it's one weird thing after another.
2 webofslime 2016-12-05
I got this from a shill, earlier.
2 francois- 2016-12-05
Even at it's most innocuous, these people are still weirdos. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF SOMEONE MISPLACED THEIR HANDKERCHIEF? You should not hold positions of power if this is a priority.
1 igottashare 2016-12-05
Normally, when someone says they found a handkerchief that they think could be mine, I offer to send them another handkerchief.
1 LisaDawnn 2016-12-05
Hi John,
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.
Susaner
1 i_reddit_it 2016-12-05
In my kill room, obviously.
1 dinosauralienspirits 2016-12-05
So assuming this is a semen handkerchief, are you saying that they are asking this person if he wants his semen handkerchief back?
1 wetsneakers 2016-12-05
Could be a typo...was the phrase repeated elsewhere?
1 georgefoyett 2016-12-05
Or
" any kind of pizza as long as it Dosnt have hair , I hate hair on my pizza "
You can't explain shit like that
1 IceDagger316 2016-12-05
Um...where is this from?
1 georgefoyett 2016-12-05
Podesta emails. I have to look for the exact link
1 IceDagger316 2016-12-05
Please do. Because that one is rather alarming...would be interested to see it in context.
1 Accidental_Arnold 2016-12-05
I keep mine in the basement of Comet Ping Pong Pizza!🍕
1 emperorisnaked7 2016-12-05
It's code.
1 kvakkerakkedakk 2016-12-05
I don't always forget my pizza-related maps, but when I do, I get them sent to me.
1 rebuilt11 2016-12-05
Y'all need to seriously chill on the pizza shit for real before someone gets hurt. There is obviously a code. There is no evidence of anything beyond that everyone just simmer.
1 quirkmaniac 2016-12-05
Think somebody posted this on this sub yesterday, but bears repeating, wtf is this: https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Handkerchief-Pizza-John-P-ebook/dp/B01MTRUQI3/
1 justmytype 2016-12-05
Lest We Forget: Top Officials, Insiders Recently Convicted for Child Pornography, Sex Abuse
1 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-05
For you that believe, tell me where the code word "map" is substantiated as "semen" anywhere. It's not covered in the handkerchief code. Nor is pizza, pasta, hot dog, ice cream, dominos, etc. The only words covered by the handkerchief code are "black" and "white."
1 bobluvsbananas 2016-12-05
In my back pocket like any normal pervert
1 PPboii 2016-12-05
I was just talking with my friend about Pizzagate and how we wish it wasn't possible, but we always come back to that email, you just can't ignore it.
1 RandyRandle 2016-12-05
Given the wealthy are much more likely to own, and carry, hankercheifs, I picture it meaning someone left their fancy black and white hanky that someone drew a map to the pizza place on, behind.
Occam's Razor.
1 Ozpecto 2016-12-05
Who knew Hawaii had the best hot-dogs?
1 francois- 2016-12-05
This was what sticks in my mind:
The connected person who's twitter header says "You and Pizza" (nonsensical) and profile says "Keeping D.C. Cheesy" (WTF is the context?)
The person then made their tweets PRIVATE once news broke and removed last name and location from their profile. Why do you need to hide your tweets? Just stay off twitter or mass block all the nutty conspiracy trolls. This is the defensive behaviour of someone who believes they have something to hide. Any other person would laugh it off and go about their life.
1 axepex 2016-12-05
OH! I know guys... Let's wait 4 more years and vote someone else into office that will stop this covering-up and help the people/children of America once and for all. Oh wait... that never happens.
0 todo1740 2016-12-05
Has anyone been able to find out more about James? Like where did he grow up etc?
His name is spelled like 90% the same as how you would say "I love children" in French. I'd like to know if he chose that name a couple of years ago or something.
-1 zarniwoot 2016-12-05
yes, because his realtor is also in on it, BUT she is not sure whether he'll care about leaving it behind, or if he wants it. Makes sense, right? Or maybe it is an expensive looking handkerchief with a map of italian food on it? That a rich italian might carry around? Impossible? Occam's razor? If that is the one thing you can't get your head around, then basically you know that PG is fake.
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2 zarniwoot 2016-12-05
There are two people being quoted, one who calls it black and white (realtor), one who calls it a pizza-related map (susan). Susan does not think it is important in that he may not be interested in getting it back. Realtor calls it black and white, Susan who looked at it closer sees it has a map on it with pizza of some sort. I mis-characterized who doesn't care, but it makes no difference. If your assertion is correct that this is a semen-stained DNA map to podesta you think it is normal Susan doesn't think he will care about it? And you think it is more likely that it is semen rather than an actual map printed on a hanky?
I don't know what you mean by "first email", there is only one, with 3 quoted replies in it. The "first one" actually says nothing at all about this, it is all details about houses. The second is an email from Kate to Susan saying she found a hanky. The third is from Susan to Podesta asking him if he wants it.
Did you read the email? You should.
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0 zarniwoot 2016-12-05
she describes it in more details than "black and white", so it stands to reason she looked at it and described some detail about it to identify it to podesta.
Uh ok, so you believe it is just a normal handkerchief that podesta left on a counter? So do I, so we agree.
It has nothing to do with pizzagate, has nothing to do with anything illegal, and is just some stupid email some troll at 4chan trotted out to make up a good story.
Trust me, I didn't make anything up, I am pointing out that PG is made-up (which is not hard to do).
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1 zarniwoot 2016-12-05
I don't know why you keep talking about attachments, I never said a picture or attachment once. I don't even know what your point is. He left left his handkerchief in a house he visited, case closed. You think there is "something strange". OK, well, once you can elucidate come back and tell us what.
2 PotatoTomato_ 2016-12-05
All good. It was more for other people to see to support your post, not to inform you specifically.
5 The_Watterboy 2016-12-05
"The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?"
Makes no fucking sense. And 'pizza' is an operative word that occurs in several emails in a context that makes no sense to the subject
1 arachnopussy 2016-12-05
304 results.
Still don't see your connection.
3 talented 2016-12-05
Good thing the quarter is almost over... oh wait. You didn't purge it every quarter. you still have 6+ months worth of data. You are a bit late. I can remind you every quarter if you need it. It is merely a simple script away.
3 JHVH_UNO 2016-12-05
I would have never believed it either, but I've heard way too many first hand testimonials throughout the years from victims and police involved. I've audited cases that make my stomach hurt. None of this is new, it's just not considered consumable on TV. Hell, I know a guy who raped multiple children, did 3 years and is back in his mansion. You think he stopped? I doubt it. He has money, connections, and personal security. Fucking Sandusky...you think that ONE kid was fucked in the showers the day before he was arrested?? FUCK NO! That shit was going on for years and EVERYONE knew! I mean the guy didn't even hide it. One of my ex's had a pedo in their family and it went unaddressed until I became aware of it...we divorced shortly after. People are fucked up and will defend the most heinous activities...
1 Scubetrolis 2016-12-05
I actually bought one similar like 2 weeks ago, that's how I know about it. I haven't read the other emails, but everyone said this was the worst one, so I wanted to comment on an easier idea. What do the other emails say?
1 talented 2016-12-05
It appears to be his kid, but I won't post more than the following. Supposedly, I read he was the godfather. Also, they are not public figures. I would be banned posting private information. This is just what has been shown before.
When #carisjames was born http://archive.is/ZwwUn.
http://archive.is/9FN8n This is the picture you are referencing. It has a hashtag #carisjames. Assuming that is the name of the child, because it comes up every time the kid was posted.
Edit: This is the video he claims to say that the kid is his goddaughter: https://youtu.be/gKTiUaloDDA?t=108
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Haha it's proof he's a liar you're just desperately trying to win this. You're not even making good points. It proves he's lies... Its that simple bud. Good fuckin day
2 SpartanTank 2016-12-05
I'm editing my comment as we speak.
Also, the fact that you received reddit gold makes me VERY suspicious of you. Most, if not all, r/conspiracy folks know that gifting reddit gold is the most stupid thing to do, given how the money ultimately ends up with u/spez and his pedo masters he covers for.
2 SpartanTank 2016-12-05
That was actually a nice read. In fact, I think I may have stumbled onto something. From your "reference written by an actual professional":-
So Louis Bourgeois apparently uses Sigmand Freud's psychoanalytical research as his inspiration... Oh my, are we talking about the same Freud family which is now being REKTED with pedophile scandals? Remember Sir Clement Freud?
Hmm... Let's see, the Podestas couldn't possibly be linked to this guy, now could they? LOL WHOOPS, they stayed in his villa while they were in Portugal, AROUND THE TIME OF MCCAN'S DISAPPEARANCE!
Read your own reference:-
Seriously, what the fuck you do think constitutes emotional imbalance? "Demonic possession" in older times in majority of the cases was a disguise for conditions resulting from lifelong abuse by older family members, religious priests and whatnot.
I'll give you some stuff to read:-
Behavioural consequences of child abuse
This reminds me, have you as of yet seen this poster for one of Comet Ping Pong's concerts, which very clearly depicts out of body experiences that children have when experiencing extreme abuse??? And then you come in here with your anti-conspiracy guns blazing accusing us of nothing but conjecture??? Seriously, bugger off.
EDIT: Forgot to address your response regarding Abramovic.
That does not solidify your position that he did NOT attend. It's left up to speculation and I would actually hazard a guess he did, given how he likes to "cook" as you yourself acknowledge.
6 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-05
This hypothesis doesn't hold water, considering that there's a photo in Geberth's book "Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation 2nd ed" [EXTREMELY NSFW] that shows the victim in the same pose from a different angle, and he's clearly still in possession of his head.
Not to mention the fact that that the 81-year-old Bourgeois would have needed access to these photos sometime between the end of the trial (2/15/1992) and when the Arch of Hysteria piece was completed in 1993. Highly unlikely, given the fact that there was no "web" to really speak of until 1994, and these photos weren't published in Geberth's books until years after the piece was completed.
Now the Podesta Bros may have purchased the piece due to the similarities to Dahmer's "work"... I don't fucking know, that would be pure speculation. But to claim that Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer while creating this piece is an absolute stretch at best... unless this little old lady traveled from NYC to Milwaukee in 1992 for a personal showing from Capt. Ferrier's ghoulish photo collection.
So as with everything in pizzagate, we're expected to swallow ridiculously tenuous "evidence", and act like it's a smoking gun.
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Yea it means I'm not going to bother because it's on this fucking sub fuckface
1 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
I'm not doing shit for you little kid fuck off
2 FrigggOffRandy 2016-12-05
Did, bye kid