Lurker here, it is getting really difficult to feel like you are seen in the internet.... But us lurkers know what's good, and who is lying the hardest. Open minds tend to come with closed mouths for some reason.

I think that's because the more of an open mind you have the more likely you are to listen to what people have to say than to try and drown out the stuff you don't want to hear. So you end up listening to/reading lots of different arguments and then go off and try and find other sources and compare everything to come to your own conclusions.

This while #pizzagate thing has had me intrigued from the start. I hope none of it's true, but with every day and every single thing I read/watch, it just feels like it gets harder and harder to dismiss. And as other posts have stated, never have I seen such a concentrated and synchronized push to dismiss something.

EDIT : puts tinfoil hat on. Something else that I found interesting, recently Reddit changed its upvote algorithm, thus leading to lots of posts from the past few years suddenly being buried and only posts from the past few hours/days being seen on page after page. But that is just a coincidence right?

After reddit changed it's vote algorithm dismissal comments of pizzagate shot way up to the top in comment threads here. I think it smells fishy. Not long after admins ban pizzagate, citizen_investigators, and operation_Berenstain, here and T_D are some of the very few places on reddit that pizzagate is being actively talked about and not shut down. Not to mention the leaked admin chat that proved they wanted to ban T_D even after spez was caught shadow-editing comments there. (did he ever apologise?)
I don't like it at all. I only lurk over on voat.co, but participate here, but I can see the sheer amount of active suppression against us and it worries me. I'm very ready to leave reddit for a more secure site to pursue pizzagate on, but I know most people here still haven't migrated to voat so I'll stick around keeping an eye on things until it just gets too much, then see what people are saying on where to move. Whether it be voat or something else someone creates just for this.
I'd like to see an original, open-source, vote based website with balanced discussion boards on posts purely made for this, but alas I'm no IT genius so I'll just keep floating that idea about until someone better equipped than I, and with the available time, will put in the effort to create that.

He apologized and passed it off as trolling the trolls, having a little fun.

He didn't apologise. He only said he "as ceo [I] shouldn't play such games" and that he "won't do it again". He never apologised.

But that is just a coincidence right?

Reddit, Youtube bans & removals, the "fake news" meme coming out at the same time, stephen colbert, the pope... yeah, something's fucky. They're trying way too hard and is just making it seem more suspicious.

Open it up and help us defend the truth.

it is getting really difficult to feel like you are seen in the internet

When you look at the internet, the "internet" is looking right back at you. Twitter, Facebook, Google and reddit... they all have incredibly penetrative means of observing you.

Believe me.

Hah. And vice versa. Good point.

You are going to continue to be duped until you turn to the only source of Truth, and that's Jesus Christ. Time is running out, there are about 3 signs left before he's on His way back. You see the mark coming, you see the beast system rising, the nwo, the currency... They've been planning this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years and you think they don't have plans for controlled revolutions and counter revolutions. You'll beg for the antichrist to save you from the crumbling system of reality you've been sold your whole life. Ordo ab Chao is the name of the game, and the father of lies is at the helm. Seek Christ while He may yet be found. Scour the Bible for yourself, prove it factual or wrong, act accordingly.

Absolutely preposterous.

I respect your right to believe in religion, but telling people that the only chance they have to be "saved" (what does that even mean) is to read the bible is outright dangerous.

Biblical texts are not roadmaps to some sort of salvation, and jesus is not going to "return" because he was just a normal human being.

There will never be a biblical apocalypse. Never. I know that might sadden you, but its true. People from every single generation for the entirety of humankind has spouted off that they "know" that biblical apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.

Guess what? It never has and never will because its absolute rubbish.

the bible isn't a religion. Pure Christianity isn't a religion. It's helping the single mother next door. It's helping the kids who don't have parents. It's showing compassion to the women who's been told that she's only going to be loved for her body. It's knowledge of the dark that lurks above and manipulates the below.

I respect the Bible but I feel like that is not the end, that is not the full truth, that it is not end all be all. Keep pushing for more than just what is in the bible. Take it to a deeper understanding and connect the dots to our past. I would recommend taking a look at the urantia papers not to be taken as full truth but as to expand the capacity of your imagination to make sense of more.

I wish it was that easy

Aint nothing easy about it, but it's worth it. You're being granted a brief glimpse behind the curtain and seeing the great and powerful oz for the weak stuttering old man that he really is. Seize this opportunity to break free, find Christ, this chance will NOT last and if you let yourself be lulled back to sleep, you'll regret it forever.

I found him! I found Jesus!!! He was behind the sofa the whole time

You joke, but you're only just now awakening to the truth. This is what it all comes down to, even in the Bible. The great battle between good and evil, and the thing at stake being fought for so vehemently is literally - your soul.

the kingdom of heaven is inside you.

Truuuuu.

What do you think of the idea that you can't have light without dark, good without bad, - without +? Yin and Yang? If there was only "truth" then what purpose would that word serve? Perhaps this is just a big shit-test by Jesus (or whatever/whoever) to help us see the difference?

I am agnostic and have read the Bible. It shares a great lesson to be learned, but I do not think in any way there is a correlation between this and what is happening. This is human evil. And the only good that can be the savior of ourselves and our nations is human good and perseverance. I am not going to ask why a god hasn't stopped all of this from happening, because as an other-dimensional being it would be impossible, and is impossible, to understand it. We must rely on ourselves and the good in people to bring this to light and to defeat these corrupted "officials" in our government and media.

I am a long time lurker of this sub and love everything about it. I am doing everything that I can to spread this revelation and to call upon an actual investigation of these allegations, because we are going to be the ones to make changes to our deplorable governments, not God.

Maybe God gave us free will to see if we would be smart enough to reject him.

Do you have free will? If God told you to do something, would you? Would you kill your son on the top of a mountain because you heard God?

What kind of benevolent God would kill your family and afflict you with unbearable pain, because he made a bet with satan? Cause that's exactly what he did to Job.

Remember, God made Lucifer, knowing that he would betray him. Knowing that because of this, all the evil and terrible things that happen. But he still chose to create Satan, and then said if we don't use our free will during our short lives to choose him, God, he would condemn us to an enternity of torture.

He sent his only son to die a terrible death at the hands of his creation... Because why? God failed? He felt bad? He realized he fucked up? He's supposed to be omnipotent... Why did he do everything he did, all while knowing the outcome?

If you ask me, God is no better than Lucifer. Who knows? Maybe God created Lucifer to be a scapegoat? I mean, one of his creations, the lion, will eat animals alive. Actually all of creation is basically premised on killing to survive. Sounds so perfect and amazing.

Ahh but I forgot. It was us, his flawed creation, that caused all this in the first place! We choose this thru Eve, whom I've never met, yet still I suffer for her "sin."

What is praise and worship worth if your creations are made to praise and worship you - nothing. IF someone chooses admist it all to submit to God, that is priceless. Why do you think everything is sexualised, revolves around money and material posessions? Because majority belive that these things are whats important, your short-term "hit" of happiness because it all ends when you die right? Mankind is capable of amazing feats... but as Friedrich Nietzsch said; God is dead.

Just wrong. Wouldn't be worried about instant now happiness without all the garbage suffering created over millenia by religion.

You're not wrong but I dont see worshiping "a creator" and religion as mutually exclusive and dont belong to any religious group for the same reasons. The waters have been severly muddied and our history with no doubt edited and withheld from us to continue the false narrative pushed by many of the "chruches".

Read the bible. God limits hinself according to his own revelation of Himself. He created Lucifer and "found" iniquity in Him. God had a plan. That doe not mean he knows what everyone's decision is going to be. He did not create someone already knowing what choice they were going to make. All throughout the bible he is observing his own creation. God only knows sin as he has seen it in rebels.

God even says about the people who were buring babies to Moloch the old testament that what they were doing "never even came into my mind".

You also do not understand thr book of Job. It is the oldest book in the bible, Job didn't even know there was a satan and he made 70 something accusations against God. And later repented to God. Then God gave him twice has much as he had before. The entire boom of Job and his suffering lasted maybe a couple months at the most. In the very beginning of the book Job was makijg sacrifices to God out of fear that his evil sons were going to cause all these bad things to happen to him and later afyer every thing he feared came true he said "the very thing I feared came upon me" the point was is that Job opened the door to Satan through fear. He was putting faith in fear and when you put faith in something like that it has power.

There are a lot of things to learn from Job but the point of the book is not "why do bad things happen to good people?" But more "what do you do when you don't know why?" Are you going to curse God and die like Satan was betting on or trust that you don't have all the answers and that having faith in God no matter what happens. This is what Job learned when God came to down and told challenged him after he was blaming God for these things (ignorantly) and God said "where were you when I created all this? Gird up your loins like a man! Tell me, if you understand" I am parephrasing here but seriously god re read the book. Job even prophesied the need for someone like Jesus Christ.

Here is what he says...

“My life passes more swiftly than a runner. It flees away without a glimpse of happiness. 26 It disappears like a swift papyrus boat, like an eagle swooping down on its prey. 27 If I decided to forget my complaints, to put away my sad face and be cheerful, 28 I would still dread all the pain, for I know you will not find me innocent, O God. 29 Whatever happens, I will be found guilty. So what’s the use of trying? 30 Even if I were to wash myself with soap and clean my hands with lye, 31 you would plunge me into a muddy ditch, and my own filthy clothing would hate me. 32 “God is not a mortal like me, so I cannot argue with him or take him to trial. 33 If only there were a mediator between us, someone who could bring us together. 34 The mediator could make God stop beating me, and I would no longer live in terror of his punishment. 35 Then I could speak to him without fear, but I cannot do that in my own strength."

This is why God sent Jesus to empty Himself from is God like nature and live as a mere human being and give His life. Niw no one can blame God for not understanding humans and not know what it is like being in there shoes. God found a way to separate Himself from Himself in order to re establish our relationship with Him through Jesus Christ. This was the only way possible for this to work. Now Jesus Christ is the mediator between God the Father and man.

God has probably created beings for who knows how long and they all ended up rebeling against him. So he came up with the ultimate plan before he created living beings with free will in His own image and after his own likeness. And is using all the rebels to his own game.

I can tell you have never read the bible to try and understand it. Keep reading. God bless, I hope you find Christ.

This life is the shortest thing you will ever do. We are but a vapor, we come and go like airplanes arriving and departing. Our life is as quick as a flower blooming and dying. 1 day to God is as a 1000 years and 1000 years as 1 day.

I disagree. I think you see things that way because your belief demands it. I see it happen all the time. Someone finds God and boom mind is closed to any open thought.

Your reasoning does not account for the simple fact that God gives us a choice: worship Him and be spared edamnation, or deny him and suffer for eternity.

Doesn't sound like a very just God to me. Love us but won't forgive us, however weak and frail we may be.

It's a shame really. I've seen such great open minded thinkers become obsessed fools after thinking they found God. They are shadows of their former selves. Can't have any rational conversation with them, everything is somehow "because God".

We are biological robots, we do as the chemicals in our brains dictate.

I see things differently. I see two kingdoms on this earth. The kingdom of light and rhe kingdom of darkness. Whichever one a person serves out of there own free will is the kingdom they choose. God never created hell for humans he created for the devil and his angels who are kingdom of darkess. God is not sending anyone anywhere. People simply choose where they want to go themselves. People love darkness rather than light. Just look at what everyone on tv is obsseded with. Violence. It's cool though, we can agree to disagree.

They made the signs up and then initiated them so that you'd have something to fall for. Religion is a construct, no conpiracy beyond that. Plenty of conspiracy in religions, but the concept of religion isn't a conspiracy. It's just stories made to fool the simple.

Wtf is going on here? How the hell is this Jesus shit getting up voted in this sub?

Because in those times many will turn to Him.

LOL.

This is r/conspiracy. Where we expose priests for fucking little boys and expose clowns for trying to convert gays because they can't admit they fuck men in restrooms. That Jesus shit holds about as much weight as flat earth around here.

So if this is conspiracy we can't maybe think or question that sickos are giving Jesus a bad name on purpose? To mock him and degrade him.

I stopped lurking a few months ago. Now I'm having my say.

Don't get discouraged by the shills, you will learn to spot them and how to deal with them.

This is something that few months ago, at the height of CTR's election shitfest, I had realized I was already subconsciously filtering from discussion.

You can usually identify them by the buzzword hitting, ad hominens, etc and it become sort of a game to see how many times I was right when I went and checked their post history. 9 times out of 10 it was just straight shilling, like no real person posts in politics that much without being paid 8 hours a day for it.

You can also tell by the time they post. They've got work hours. At night (US time) the sub is relatively shill free, so the posts are highly upvoted and comments are refreshingly focused and on point and noticeably absent of shill-speak. Between early morning and then say noon east coast time you see a radical sea change on the top posts. When the morning rolls around you get a brigade of downvotes and the "you're insane" comments crashing in all at once.

But hey, maybe people in this sub only enjoy discussing conspiracies in the dark hours of the night and when morning rolls around they change their minds en masse /s

That's fascinating. Some of the buzzwords they use: "crazy" "insane" "batshit" "retarded"

Who uses terminology like that on a conspiracy forum? Someone trying to shame, ostracize, intimidate, or spook. It's so refreshing to see people are still around that have their eyes open.

You forgot "moron". I've been called that more than once for literally nothing.

Spot on.

Very well, I will do my part, thank you for the push... maybe it was what I needed... :D .

I love this post so much, I love you, thank you.

I too, am a graphic designer by day and investigative searcher by night. My posts on the traditional social media falls on deaf ears, from posting news about a censorship agenda, gun removal agenda, free speech agenda, false flags, various crisis facts etc. NOTHING. I have woke up one or two people (half way) they are at least open to my thoughts. But as soon as I post dumb shit about my house or a family photo, my feed blows up with activity. It can be very disheartening to say the least. I had more faith in the people I know, but they take everything at face value or arent interested at all. And they laugh at me for my rants or predictions (most of which have come true or are true) and call me weirdo.

But i take a certain satisfaction knowing I am one step ahead of them. I've since refocused my fight to make sure nobody loses their amendment rights. And to make sure they know they can still use them, that it's okay to be proud of who you are and your country. That it's okay to be non-traditional but just as okay to be traditional. If they can see me doing well, and see my words ring true, perhaps they will ask me more questions or maybe even wake up.

People may be seeing and responding to your stuff more than you know. I've gotten a lot of PMs from people thanking me on the sly, not wanting to comment. I think more people are aware of how tightly we are surveilled than we give them credit for, plus they don't want to be seen as alternative thinkers in public, perhaps.

Things don't change until they suddenly do. The "tipping point" is a cliche for a reason, and that reason is because it's a real thing.

I'm a musician and composer... I feel like other artists don't really understand the power they have to influence the Normie's views. There a few "woke" guys I've played with, but their audience is mostly rednecks and distrust the gov't to begin with.

What really scares me is how much my professors buy into the media hype about everything, which in turn brainwashes the rest of my peers... I feel like I'm the only one in my field that asks questions anymore, man. Because of that, I'm the crazy one.

Right now, I'm playing an original children's show at a local theater. The propaganda written into the show is unreal. It's extremely anti-Trump and pro-multiculturalism while at the same time making Wikileaks emails seem like a load of crock (there is literally a scene where one of the characters says, "Aren't I innocent until proven guilty? Or is this a Wikileaks email sort of thing?) That shit is planting seeds into the next generation, and all I can do is hope these kids realize they're being lied to one day.

Likewise friend!

There is so much happening around us. "Cognitive dissonance" doesn't even begin to describe the state of reality we've found ourselves in. It takes a lot of bravery and intent to willingly remain in this state and spread our message, by whatever means possible. In ways that can be heard and felt, not just read.

ps - hey fellow musician!! (makes sense doesn't it?)

I wrote music for Masquerada, a video game that recently came out, and I absolutely embedded my emotion in to that music. (the first two track titles speak for themselves)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4nrHJbYa8x_-_vzkrPNrBCkyQVlRyUR

Thanks for posting this man. How close are you with the Devs and have you ever thought about partnering up to start a game studio?

Right tf there with you. Especially about the professor issue. I have always been blown away by that. It's nuts!

Let's see, musician and composer here as well with a total of 16 years of audio engineering (actually more if I consider when I worked under a head engineer.)

I own a company called PROJECT MONARK (what a name), our company logo is a monarch butterfly and we produce transmedia projects. Transmedia is the telling of cohesive stories across multiple platforms so think of TWD as its a prime example. Our first IP, GOD'S CALAMITY was started four years ago and the core experience was just completed some months ago. We have the concept album and the comic book series that takes place after the comic. Now I'm mentioning this because I want to outline some of the things we had, that made it to the comic, before it was in the news.

A female politician with ties to a secret society and occult? Check. Human traficking and weapons being done out of an eatery? Check. A soccor team from Argentina dyng in a plane crash? Check. A whistle blower being killed because he got too close? Check. A person, who was part of a conspiracy, breaking ranks and doing it from jail? Check. An Internet revolution? Check. And all of this was done before it even happened or came to light. Trigger words? Check. School shootings? Check. Substance abuse? Check. Physical, sexual and mental abuse? Check. Unemployment? Check. Suicide? Check. And all of this is the tip of the ice berg.

The point is, I had a vision and people knew I wasn't the crazy one because of how I get, process and use information. I don't surround myself with sycophants but with people who see shit for what it is. And you know what? All of us are stress free when it comes to the madness because we take an "in the world but not of the world" approach.

I've red pilled a few professors of mine.

Oh HELL yea! This made my day. Thank you for that beautiful speech. I'm officially PUMPED!

Great post, don't go anywhere, continue to see the truth.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Preach it, brother! Stopped lurking because the evil is real. If it weren't for the others shouting light into the darkness, I'd have kept my digi voice to myself. I need to do more, and we need more to do this.

Lurker here, you are not alone. I feel the tension, I read every day. I learn every day. This evil does not go un-noticed I guarantee you.

God speed.

Same here

I experience thoughts of suicide daily. This post helped me feel more positive.

FYI, I'm in therapy. Still a constant struggle.

Hang in there..it gets better..get out and HELP some one else..volunteer at a homeless shelter, Salvation Army etc. You need to help some one else..some one who has literally no other options in order to help yourself.

This was downvoted to hell in another thread so I'll put it here too

What can you do to help the revolution??

• TALK ABOUT IT! From all the money they're pouring into shilling, they REALLY don't want us to talk about it. Its important to spread the message online but don't forget about talking about it to friends and family irl! I'm a college student so many of my friends are college educated, and I have yet explain pizzagate to someone who straight up refuses to believe there's anything suspicious. The CTR wants you to believe your silly conspiracy theories will be mocked and laughed at, BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE!

• JOIN THE FIGHT! It has been very clear now that conspiracy has been fighting against an onslaught of shills from the elites. Simply calling someone a shill does not help our case. FIGHT THEM argue with them until your blue in the face! Don't let even a single post trying to discredit our investigation left unrefuted. Lurkers will read every comment and see our truth everytime these shills try to cover this shit up.

Be RELENTLESS!!

Thank you for the encouragement. And I'm sure all the victims who have never seen any justice appreciate the pursuit of the truth very much.

I appreciate all the informative posts and the sites that we are directed to learn more. However there is a lot of members more educated about the issues than myself, so I learn from everyone who posts , most of the time don't have any input on the subject. I spread the word to friends and family, I don't care if they don't believe, I can't force that... I always upvote though! 👍

This 100000000xxx times! We need start putting down the phones and keyboards and start getting back to human interaction. They have tried to divide and split us up but I think all of us have been united together under a new umbrella. Its time to start demanding real changes for our future. FUCK THEM! THEY ARE LOSING! WE HAVE THE CONTROL.

I was beginning to become discouraged but after watching Mr. Robot for the first time the other day I am back in the game. I love that show, it gets so many points right - all of its comments on modern society are spot on. I love the fact that the show is huge and how much attention it has gotten.

Our ranks are growing and we outnumber those that wish to silence us.

Don't get discouraged! They are manufacturing the narrative to make it seem like we're "losing." Yet more and more people are awakening around the world, by the thousands. PG is trending in top news in many countries, and there is solidarity around the globe. That's why the powers that be are working so hard right now. No matter what they end up doing, they can't undo the truth. Can't close people's eyes once they're really woke, because they're opened at the spiritual level. In the end, truth prevails. The truth will set us free.

I have come out of lurking over this whole thing. There's been a lot of great connections being pointed out. I've always been heavily interested in mind control conspiracies. Tavistock was recently in a lead I was reading up on. The connections to mind control, Kissinger, and kindercare daycare centers. Something awful fucky is going on!

Great message, man!

Its really a struggle. People think I'm crazy for some of things I've said trying to question certain major events. Just the mention of 911 being an inside job has people getting angry at me. I don't care though, I will continue searching for the truth. It's people like us, who just want a happy, productive, and progressive world who should be in charge. Not these sick, demented, greedy people who are trying to dominate the planet. They are pure evil.

Wow this post deserves all the upvotes in the world. So much truth.

You almost made me tear up, thanks OP.

There's no personal gain in what we do...just the hope for a more truthful world. It takes its toll.

Afuckingmen.

We are not the last standing or the last bastion.

We are the newest addition.

I primarily lurk though I appear from time to time.

Main contribution is to up vote the stuff that seems to be a genuine contribution and down vote shills and trolls.

I'm reminded of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj16vfbsM9A

How much spam is on this Reddit page

Fuck god

Literally delusional.

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Why do you care? Seriously. Who are you trying to convince of what? I dont accuse People of being shills. But for your sake i actually hope you are one of some kind. Otherwise you should do some introspection of why you would give one flying fuck about what goes on in this sub. Most run of the mill folks dont RANDOMLY go out of their way to visit a sub like this trying to debunk things. They do the regular har har tin foil hat comment when these things are presented to them and move on with their lives. I feel bad if you really have a weird fetish to go out of your way to discredit "crazies"

Another trick to spot them (certain unhelpful users) is the usernames. They have a certain flow, almost like they were auto generated or follow style rules. Just something that seemed odd.

Exactly. The election is over. That should prove to you that this has nothing to deal with what side you're on. It would make sense if this happened a lot earlier in order to undermine Clinton's campaign, but she already lost.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS ! I'm a left winger who doesn't support trump but that is NO reason to IGNORE CHILDREN BEING RAPED AND KILLED.

Get your head out of your ass and think for your fucking self

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Because now we have their emails.

I think that's because the more of an open mind you have the more likely you are to listen to what people have to say than to try and drown out the stuff you don't want to hear. So you end up listening to/reading lots of different arguments and then go off and try and find other sources and compare everything to come to your own conclusions.

This while #pizzagate thing has had me intrigued from the start. I hope none of it's true, but with every day and every single thing I read/watch, it just feels like it gets harder and harder to dismiss. And as other posts have stated, never have I seen such a concentrated and synchronized push to dismiss something.

EDIT : puts tinfoil hat on. Something else that I found interesting, recently Reddit changed its upvote algorithm, thus leading to lots of posts from the past few years suddenly being buried and only posts from the past few hours/days being seen on page after page. But that is just a coincidence right?

You are going to continue to be duped until you turn to the only source of Truth, and that's Jesus Christ. Time is running out, there are about 3 signs left before he's on His way back. You see the mark coming, you see the beast system rising, the nwo, the currency... They've been planning this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years and you think they don't have plans for controlled revolutions and counter revolutions. You'll beg for the antichrist to save you from the crumbling system of reality you've been sold your whole life. Ordo ab Chao is the name of the game, and the father of lies is at the helm. Seek Christ while He may yet be found. Scour the Bible for yourself, prove it factual or wrong, act accordingly.

Hah. And vice versa. Good point.

Open it up and help us defend the truth.

it is getting really difficult to feel like you are seen in the internet

When you look at the internet, the "internet" is looking right back at you. Twitter, Facebook, Google and reddit... they all have incredibly penetrative means of observing you.

Believe me.

He didn't apologise. He only said he "as ceo [I] shouldn't play such games" and that he "won't do it again". He never apologised.