The Franklin scandal had real ties to politicians, who's to say that this doesn't?

tony podesta went to undergrad with dennis hastert... camp nose or whatever

I'm not discounting past cases with witness testimony. I'm just stating that thinking these are completely isolated incidents isn't taking into account the whole picture. Maybe the franklin scandal only entrenched their beliefs that they can't leave anyone alive, therefore no current witnesses. Just my opinion though.

How can it not be related when the podestas and weiner and the 49th most powerful man in DC are at the heart of it?

And your basing these opinions on chan threads.

Im basing it on wikileaks, the own guy's fucked up instagram, and the fact that Jeffrey Epstein and Laura Silsby are convicted child traffickers/rapists and didn't even have to spend a year in jail combined.

Do you really think Jeffrey Epstein worked alone? Knowing 100% that 100s of high profile people flew to his rape island on the "lolita express". The victims that got him convicted also named others like Prince Andrew. Why hasn't there been an investigation?

Exactly. Pizzagate isn't really even like a conspiracy about a specific event like 911 or Sandy Hook. It's just a sprawling, decades old, drip of information. Slight glimpses behind the curtain. They're spirit cooking behind there dude....

At the end of the day your point stands, Washington and our government trafficks children. We must keep digging

So you have evidence or proof that they don't use pizza shops? To say it's an impossibility is downright asinine.

Maybe they run the money thru there..

But wouldn't that tie it in with pizzagate?

I've seen the idea floated around that Comet Ping Pong and the Podestas' art collection could be used for money-laundering. But it's important to point out that pizzagate is an investigation and not a claim of any proof of guilt. Most of the people supporting pizzagate, myself included, are simply saying that there's enough evidence to make us question what these people are involved with.

Pedophile rings at the highest levels of government do sound preposterous on the surface, and cases such as the Franklin Scandal, the Dutroux Affair, Jimmy Saville, and Lt. Col. Michael Aquino simply show the average citizen that pizzagate is not unprecedented and it's not as crazy as we'd like to think. Is pizzagate directly linked to any of the aforementioned cases or individuals? Maybe, maybe not. But at the very least, we need to be aware of them and keep them in mind because they are at least relevant to the topic at hand

Its not even the first case this year: http://www.ksdk.com/news/crime/dojo-pizza-owner-charged-with-child-pornography/124982572

And last year: http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/01/16/university-city-pizza-shop-cook-arrested-child-porn/

No, that is not what pizza gate is about. You have idea what you are talking about. Not even close. DC is just the tip of the iceberg of evidence being dug up. This not going to go away.

This is going to shatter the sheltered world view of a lot of people whether they like it or not.

Haiti for one, several Clinton human trafficking relations including the mysterious murder of a independent investigator a few weeks back who was looking into it. Note the Haiti Childrens office across the street from Comet also linked to the same people.

Hawaii as well, these people own property there, including a school and what appears to be an underground pot farm and the cheesebay (actual name) child porn online shop.

And don't forget Lolita Island, just a short distance from Haiti.

If you want more details, head over to voat. There are reams of information available linking these people all together with numerous convicted child predators. Money trails, favor trading, shared properties, you name it.

So the shills have moved on from helpful inquiries that we might be wasting our time, to declarative statements we are.

I don't see a lot of "we are living in a computer simulation" posts around here, seems like an opportunity for someone.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but with the satanic cult bent, it's possible they're destroying the evidence, if you know what I mean.

That said, the lack of victims or even reports has really been deafening silence.

That said, just because YOU don't know about any victims doesn't mean there aren't any.

I'm trying to play the middle of the road here.

Victims have come out though.

where? Please point me to one single claimed victim of pizzagate.

How do you define "pizzagate"

anything to do with Podesta or Alefantis.

Okay so in your world, there are no pizzagate victims that we know of. That is true.

However, your definition of PG is wrong. PG is not "anything to do w/ podesta or alefantis."

PG is a conspiracy of the elite to abuse, rape, torture, and murder those amongst us whom nobody cares about. They do it for money, power, and control over those who govern them and us. These people operate in the shadows and in code. Their code involves many words and phrases, like pizza. In order to have plausible deniability for using their code words they do shit like buy pizza shops.

No, that is your made up definition in order to cover for the fact there is nothing to pizzagate. You can't just redefine terms when things don't go your way. Child exploitation was around long before pizzagate. Don't try to mislead people for your own selfish purposes.

Dog, pizzagate is real. I have never redefined my terms. My definition is a much more accurate definition of PG when compared to yours. If you don't believe it go post about some other conspiracy you care about, don't try and dissuade people from talking about a conspiracy on the conspiracy subreddit.

I'm encouraging discussion and investigation. I care about these kids. I think if there's even a .000000000001% chance of PG being real it should be taken seriously because I care about these kids. YOU are the one misleading people because of YOUR selfishness. I care. There is proof that I care in the form of encouraged activism. Prove to me that you care or go away.

This is what is has always been, from day one. The definition never changed.

We just don't push the entire message as strongly because its a bitter pill to swallow.

You can't just redefine terms when things don't go your way.

Hey man..yes we fucking can. Don't you remember, this is all fake news. Why does it matters how pizzagate is defined? It's all a bunch of bullshit after all.

The lady that said Clinton raped her and carved her vagina

I didn't mean because of pizzagate, but just in general when they are tired of their playthings.

Its not really about catching a specific participant so much as it is rooting the entire system out. To do that we need broad public support. Tis the simple truth.

Let the downvoting begin.

Dennis Hastert had real victims but we didn't find out for 40 years

Jimmy Savile same thing

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Oh you mean like exactly what's happening right now?

Who accused hastert of rape - the IRS busted him, he said he was being blackmailed but turns out he had a legit legal agreement w the man he molesfed, he was using structured withdrawals so he didn't have to report where the money was going.

Got downvoted into oblivion yesterday for saying they had real evidence and not 4chan and reddit ramblings.

This is a conspiracy subreddit. JFC what are you expecting?

Remember Mass Surveillance? I bet you'd be out there puppeting "guys if you've got nothing to hide don't worry about it." Or "Guys, there's no evidence of mass surveillance and the director of the NSA just testified under oath in front of Congress that they're not spying! NSA director would never lie under oath!"

This is a conspiracy subreddit.

And?

JFC what are you expecting?

Logic and reason.

Remember Mass Surveillance? I bet you'd be out there puppeting "guys if you've got nothing to hide don't worry about it." Or "Guys, there's no evidence of mass surveillance and the director of the NSA just testified under oath in front of Congress that they're not spying! NSA director would never lie under oath!"

Absolutely not. I'm the guy who said 9/11 was Hegelian Dialectic and paved the way for them to spy while giving a false sense of protection. I'm also the guy who says if you believe the global elite will allow the common joe to decide the leadership of the richest and most advanced country on the planet, by filling in bubbles next to names printed on paper, that you're an idiot. I'm also the guy who says it is dumb as fuck to believe that puppets of the global elite are going to arrest, indict and convict their puppet masters based on reddit and 4chan posts.

But you? I bet YOU'RE the guy who throws logic and reason out the window. YOU'RE the guy that probably would go to a pizza shop waving a gun but end up shooting himself in the face because he's dumb as fuck. YOU'RE the guy that can't seem to grasp critical reading and is a testament that education in the U.S. does not always work.

Go sit your ass in some goddamn corner and read a book.

Bruh chill out. I apologize for the ad hominem, but you took it a bit over the top and I don't appreciate it. We've quickly spiralled away from a constructive dialogue and I'd like to bring us back.

You want logic and reason? Okay so let's exercise some logic and reason.

Have you read all the facts on PG? Are there any major ones you would care to dispute? And I mean real facts not the fucking strawmen the MSM and internet puppets are spewing. When was the last time the NYT interviewed some crazed DC gunman? Does that seem normal to you? When was the last time you saw a massive coordinated media assault on a subject? Have you seen any news stories that prove that PG is fake news without calling it fake news because it's obviously fake?

Bruh chill out.

Don't tell me to chill out. You went left field.

I apologize for the ad hominem, but you took it a bit over the top and I don't appreciate it.

If you slapped someone for no reason at all, and then they punched you, body slammed you and put you in a rear naked choke you pretty much deserved it right? :) But it's cool. Let's move on.

Have you read all the facts on PG?

I've pretty much read everything while the emails were coming through and when people started putting things together. I knew things started to go to shit when I was cussed out, in this very forum, for saying the image below looked like a slice of cake and not like a pizza.

https://i1.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/screen-shot-2016-08-04-at-1-51-24-pm1.png?resize=1600%2C900&quality=80&strip=all

As for anything I would like to dispute, well it's on the people presenting the evidence to show that there is a crime. So my first question is where is the proof of wrongdoing/crime? Any video evidence? Any audio evidence? Any images? Any ledgers? Did anyone actually break ranks and come forth? How do we know pizza is code name for something sexual and not playstation 4, reddit, knives and forks, Madonna, Jesus Christ or [insert whatever you want]? Did anyone actually tell us what these words mean or did someone on 4chan and reddit say the FBI said this or that?

And I mean real facts not the fucking strawmen the MSM and internet puppets are spewing.

See above.

When was the last time the NYT interviewed some crazed DC gunman? Does that seem normal to you?

I answered this yesterday night. If I am being charged with a crime I'm not saying shit. The only time I will speak is when I am asked if I understand my rights after I've been mirandized. Afterwards, when they start talking, I'm asking for a lawyer and I'm keeping my mouth shut. I'm not answering questions, not giving interviews, etc. But this guy? He's an actor or has connects to acting via his father right?

When was the last time you saw a massive coordinated media assault on a subject?

Shit every time a black man is gunned down by a policeman there is a massive coordinated media assault to make it seem like he is a criminal, like the cop absolutely feared for his life, can do no wrong, etc.

Have you seen any news stories that prove that PG is fake news without calling it fake news because it's obviously fake?

Absolutely. Yesterday someone posted a link where a news outlet, I can't remember which one, completely crushed PG. I saved it on my iPad and will link it later.

K bro. You keep doing you.

I'm saying the people in the cases you cited had real evidence. Someone posted something similar yesterday and I said the Franklin scandal had real evidence and not reddit and 4chan ramblings.

I don't think anyone has claimed that they're related, and if they have, they probably don't have any (even circumstantial) evidence to do so.

The only reason they're brought up is to refute the shill/mainstream assumption that elites are somehow above pedophilic corruption.

In fact, the "lumping" you're talking about is what happens to us, when MSM brings up "flat earthers" before even mentioning pizzagate.

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I don't see a lot of "we are living in a computer simulation" posts around here, seems like an opportunity for someone.

I didn't mean because of pizzagate, but just in general when they are tired of their playthings.

Its not really about catching a specific participant so much as it is rooting the entire system out. To do that we need broad public support. Tis the simple truth.

Who accused hastert of rape - the IRS busted him, he said he was being blackmailed but turns out he had a legit legal agreement w the man he molesfed, he was using structured withdrawals so he didn't have to report where the money was going.