For all you pizzagaters...
276 2016-12-10 by dieyoung
You better get your shit together.
There is no doubt that there are global pedophile rings and child trafficking that involve some of the richest and most powerful people on the planet, on this I am sympathetic.
Y'all are about to get a fuckton more publicity in the next few days and I think we all know it's not going to be positive. On the other hand, as the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
There is about to be a barrage of people looking up #pizzagate and they already thanks to the armed suspect at CPP, and these people have already made up their minds about PG.
There needs to be clear distinctions between facts, leads and misinformation, maybe a single purpose website that consolidates all this information. Even for me, who has poured over the documents and kept up with PG happenings, I can't point to a place where newcomers can see the pertinent details without having to wade through the noise.
Just a piece of advice from a spectator cheering on this citizen investigation...
109 comments
71 Putin_loves_cats 2016-12-10
https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/5h8rw3/crime_inc_this_pedophilia_scandal_is_a_resonance/
-Props to my man /u/911bodysnatchers322
28 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Awesome post, and exactly why I think pg has legs. Kudos to the dudes who take the time to do this
29 Putin_loves_cats 2016-12-10
Aye, that user is pure gold and always posting good info. Much respect, I have for him. PizzaGate (for the majority of us), goes far beyond this election cycle and wikileaks, but all the way back to ancient times, and into modern times (one example would be Boy's town - Bush/Reagan call boys). This goes across party lines, and a pizza shack. It's far deeper, and this PG is nothing but, another lead.. I hope people realize this. Shills wont, but passerby's read these words. It's far deeper, and fuck all political parties. Sick fucks are on all sides, and far too ingrained in the establishment elite..
7 mymorningjacket 2016-12-10
Exactly. This is not a new thing in ancient Greece or in America.. I mean fucking shit, in 1880 you could marry a 7 year old in Delaware.
13 911bodysnatchers322 2016-12-10
Hey thanks, Puts :)
14 [deleted] 2016-12-10
Dude, what do you do? Why are you so fuckin woke man? You should make your own show or some shit. You clearly have a intelligent insight on complex events. Create a platform for yourself.
5 9000sins 2016-12-10
Props, homie.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2016-12-10
No, thank you, for your post, mate. All I did was link, you did the work. I wish I didn't have A.D.D. It makes research/researched posts hard :(.... I still try, though...
-5 SokarRostau 2016-12-10
You both know better than to ignore all the signs that this thing is being used as a set-up even if it's all 100% true. You both know how these things work and yet you're both right on board with the "Keep digging! Ignore everything else!" hype train. I expect better from the both of you.
-3 clenched__buttocks 2016-12-10
I'm not surprised at all.
1 SokarRostau 2016-12-10
Unfortunately, I didn't say I was surprised. People like Putin and Bodysnatchers are precisely the targets this campaign is aimed at. If it weren't for the Pizzagate hype, these two would be putting the majority of their efforts into examining the Clinton Foundation and/or the very real possibility that Huma Abedin was an agent of a foreign government sending State Dept emails to a yahoo.com account.
I'll say it again: Even if Pizzagate is 100% true, it is being used as a distraction from something bigger and is positioned to be the trigger for the destruction of the First Amendment.
3 nottheoretical 2016-12-10
Respect guys. You're doing a huge public service.
3 colordrops 2016-12-10
Wait a minute, there's nothing about pizza gate in that link. Why can't people grasp that evidence for child abuse at large is not the same as evidence for pizzagate specifically?
4 -Mr_Burns 2016-12-10
Because there have been many documented incidents of pedophilia in the world. Therefore you cannot rule out pizzagate possibly existing. Therefore pizzagate definitely exists. Get woke. /s
2 [deleted] 2016-12-10
Pizzagate is about a global pedoring in our power structures. If you think it's just about Hillary and Podesta, well, you've been reading fake news ;).
1 Might-be-a-Trowaway 2016-12-10
Isn't that the "mini nuke" guy?
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24 GodDammitRicky 2016-12-10
I direct inquiring friends to read up on the leaked emails by podesta and hillary, followed by a primer video of pizza gate, check out the art work of the Podesta's, research pedophilia slang and dymbols, research what spirit cooking is and how hillary and podesta were talking about it. Check out MSM lies then watch video where a fellow redditor walks into the back of betsa pizza and shows basement stairs and doors.
I focus on turning my skeptic friends into thinkers. They don't have to agree, I just want them to view it from Non MSM info.
Betsa pizza's basement entrance
https://youtu.be/RMGGSY0A8r8
8 dieyoung 2016-12-10
I think that's a good goal...not to make someone agree with you (that never happens) but to poke holes in their logic that leads them to question themselves
-3 RandallWho 2016-12-10
Anyone else find this ironic when its posted on /r/conspiracy?
9 [deleted] 2016-12-10
Anyone find it ironic the only people who shit on r/conspiracy don't ever post here?
-1 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
This is the circle-jerkiest sub on all of reddit.
Nobody gives a shit about "truth" here, unless the "truth" matches up with the pizzagate narrative. Post anything suggesting otherwise, and you'll just be shouted down with downvotes, and accusations of being a paid shill.
3 Namnagort 2016-12-10
Link to basement?
2 GodDammitRicky 2016-12-10
https://youtu.be/RMGGSY0A8r8
Here you go, 1st story, they enter through back door entrance to betsa pizza with obvious stairs leading down.
The rest of the video has some creepy momments.
1 iwaagh 2016-12-10
I wish we'd simply get the dimension of the building on the tax report. We already have the surface area.
Pretty easy way to end or start the discussion on the basement after a little bit of maths instead of mysterious videos or anonymous reports.
10 inbetweentime 2016-12-10
Fuck yeah
Thanks for the pep talk OP
Friendly input from a spectator... Who'd have thunk it possible you reasonable person you
10 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-10
Good luck... pretty much everything directly related to Comet Ping Pong has turned out to be bullshit.
all but 2 words on the code word list aren't confirmed anywhere. Several people have requested verification of the list words and instead of a link, they just got downvoted.
this "I love children" t-shirt? It refers to L'Enfant Cafe & Bar as it says right on the top of the Instagram picture. So, the shirt is really saying "I love the restaurant." It doesn't translate to "I love children" anyway, it translates to "I love the child." So, hardly a pedo shirt. It says "I love the child" because "the child" is the name of the place (L'Enfant).
Comet Ping Pong doesn't have a basement.
The pizza = sex references are all quite separate from anything to do with children.
The band flyers are typical punk rock flyers, nothing out of the ordinary at all.
The casual joke from the singer of that one band about pedophilia is also totally typical of a punk band. As are the ski masks. Underground bands can be creepy, if you didn't know. That doesn't mean it has anything to do with pedophilia; creepiness is an aesthetic that a lot of people like in music. Especially when you're high on LSD or pot. People also like horror movies. It means nothing.
What else?
The only thing left I can think of is the Instagram profile picture they chose is a statue of Hadrian's younger lover, but he is clearly close to 18 in that statue if not well over 18. This could mean anything and is more likely to be a joke than anything else, imo. Perhaps it's some joke referring to the fact James dates older guys or perhaps it's some joke about the fact that James "likes 'em young" but not actually underage. The same kind of joke that punk singer threw out there. It doesn't mean anything at all without actual corroborating evidence. There is none out there on the Instagram or anywhere else.
Yes, pedophilia in government is real and yes it is connected to the Clintons in at least a couple ways. But, it is not connected to Comet Ping Pong. Focusing all this attention on Comet Ping Pong was a nice little distraction from the rest of the information in the Podesta email leaks, so congratulations. They're wagging the dog and you're it.
7 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
The "Dahmer" scupture is bullshit, yet it continues to be prominently displayed on every infographic out there... because it's scandalous.
Alefantis changing his name to match "Jai'me L'enfants" has been debunked... unless he was also able to persuade his parents to change their names, as well, in support of his kid-fucking hobby.
#hotard is ridiculous. People don't even grasp that the text and URL from Urban Dictionary wasn't even there on the orignial Instagram photo... it was placed by an "investigator".
Literally every one of the Stratfor e-mails have absolutely nothing to do with pizzagate. There is insight into some government corruption, but no kid-fucking.
The "$1200 baby" was a fucking doll.
...and, most importantly, as you pointed out:
I'm starting to think that "pizzagate" was a red herring placed by ...someone. Who, I don't know.
It has just enough plausibility to keep the gullible chasing their tails, and just the right amount of stupidity to cause much of the population to reject it out of hand.
3 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-10
Wow, really? I read that it was actually just a nickname of one of the guys at Comet Ping Pong, but even more pathetic if it's completely fake. You don't even need Photoshop to fake something like that if you know how to tinker in your browser and take a screenshot.
3 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
Definitely likely to be a nickname. Far more likely Alefantis calling his (alleged) goddaughter a "retarded slut" in Urban Dictionary speak.
You can clearly see from the discussion that they're all commenting on the cuteness of the baby. User @joewills laughs at Alefantis's hashtag ("themostexpensiveaccessory"), and tags him back with "hotard". Alefantis says "hotard" back.
Pizzagaters, in their demented, sick world... turned it into "these guys are calling the baby a retarded whore!" Then, one of these einstens with MS paint skillz captioned the photo with the Urban Dictionary URL in white text.
Seriously. This is what pizzagaters are calling "tons of circumstantial evidence".
2 iwaagh 2016-12-10
Fish and #14 was debunked: np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5ez5r9/podesta_occult_some_debunk_14_fish_on_podestas/
The Comet Ping Pong rackets logo is compared to a butterfly made of hearts. That logo was seen on one flyer and doesn't look like their official "drop" logo (or it's an old one... and ping pong rackets are related!)
The Besta logo is also a coincidence and obviously a slice of pizza.
The #killroom is obviously a freaking freezer
There's still no victims and no crimes (beside bad taste in art but eh....)
They didn't read the whole FBI reports that clearly states those are official activists logos, they're not hiding much. The coins that were found with the symbol also had stamped on them "kids love pedo"! The full PDF also shows the source of that information on the bottom... Those information don't come from secret investigations but simple basic online search and maybe the computer history of some pedo. That too is written with the source (computer forensic team.) On Wikileaks, it's also written how to get another version of that report if someone cared to search ---> http://senado.pr.gov/Ponencias/ps%20734%20Policia%20de%20Puerto%20Rico%20Anejo.pdf
Bonus: Monica Petersen (aggressively) debunked: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5h6mwr/debunk_monica_petersen_lies_conspiracy_propaganda/
1 iwaagh 2016-12-10
Alefantis got as much internet searches as Alester Crowley. Pretty much like comparing Megan Fox to Mother Teresa. SMH
Edit: Well you will be happy to learn Podesta got as much searches as Satan! This is quite a victory!
http://imgur.com/a/SDXK0
0 Aleuhm 2016-12-10
They're here.
3 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-10
Feel free to say something of substance, particularly if you have any actual evidence regarding any of the bullet points. You can start from the top and work your way down. Or, you can post irrelevant articles about pedophiles from around the world as most do, but that doesn't tie anything to Comet Ping Pong.
0 Aleuhm 2016-12-10
I can't. CNN said it's illegal to review the Podesta emails.
3 damaged_but_whole 2016-12-10
But, seriously, though. You have nothing.
9 heihuquan 2016-12-10
The problem that has now arisen from pizzagate is that in terms of investigation it is now like gum that has been chewed until the flavour has gone. Meaning that it needs to evolve, and new evidence discovered by diversifying the investigation into critical and associated areas. That means vetting and paying for a professional private investigator to perform a proper documented investigation. You see, what this will do is show the world that the global citizen investigators are serious about this, because a P.I.'s primary job is to ferret out, uncover and document information that is admissible in court. This would in turn virtually shut up the media and the paid discreditors, especially if new evidence were to be found to advance the case. Eventually what you'll want is witness testimonies, and scared perps talking and turning on one another like a domino fall, to begin a perpetual momentum that will produce more evidence.
The other problem here and I'm just going to say it, is that people don't want to pursue this option because they'll have to stick their necks out. the P.I. will have to be paid by someone or a group and report their findings to that group. There exists no protection or punishment mechanism in place to safeguard people earnestly looking into these matters. For you are dealing with monied, politically connected and powerful criminals who have no human compunctions or legal obedience to the law. Laws which they have established institutionalised protection and fully insulated themselves and their accomplices from being called account to. They have zero issues with contracting professional murderers, fit-up men, or employing any other illegality to secure their freedom and lives from prosecution or justice.
4 911bodysnatchers322 2016-12-10
There was an effort to get Ed Opperman to investigate pizzagate. I assume he's still collecting donations. I gave him a few hundo and thanked him for the work he does. It really is a good show. He's like the new York version of guns and butter
2 lookmaimonthereddit 2016-12-10
You could communicate with the PI anonymously online and pay with Bitcoin. Of course, these PIs could always be bought by the very people they're investigating, but I still think they could definitely help.
2 dieyoung 2016-12-10
I'm a huge fan of bitcoin and crypto currencies in general as I think they are the most effective tool to undermine control of the people. Bitcoin would be a good idea but an even better one would be to use Ethereum.
Ethereum is a crypto currency similar to bitcoin except that the platform was designed to be able to develop contracts that can be executed autonomously and anonymously using blockchain tech.
We could basically all pitch in and the contract would state something like "the party that is able to provide evidence that leads to the arrest of James Alefantis is entitled to the sum total of all deposits in this contract."
The best part is that you could write a contract that could only have the funds released if 10, 25 or whatever percent of contributing addresses sign off to release the funds.
Granted, I don't program so I personally couldn't do it but the technology exists to do something like this safely and free from censorship
2 GalacticCannibalism 2016-12-10
Eth lost legitimacy when they did a hardfork because of the loophole the hacker/lawyer took advantage of. Bitcoin is superior for payment.
1 libretumente 2016-12-10
Yes!
1 1000100001 2016-12-10
You are right, there is a safety issue here.
4 mattystz 2016-12-10
Tl;dr - 99%, maybe more, of what you read on pizzagate is far-fetched.
2 dieyoung 2016-12-10
It's definitely not that high.
While I will admit that the pizza language in the Podesta emails can not be conclusively proved to be about children, it's obvious that they are not discussing food and I think that that is where the problem lies.....There are no journalists that will ask Podesta what that means, and pushing him to explain why Obama would ship in tens of thousands of dollars worth of "pizza" from Chicago on the tax payers dime.
If any pizzagater was being honest with themselves, they would have to admit that there is only circumstantial evidence to proof their case.
However, given my (and others') knowledge of other cases where politicians and other influential people have been implicated in investigations involving child sex trafficking, I think it is totally reasonable to question what the pizza language in the emails means, especially when it is widely known, particularly to 4chan users, that cheese pizza has been colloquially used as code for child pornography for at least a decade.
4 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2016-12-10
So because 4chan child porn enthusiasts (big overlap with Pizzagate investigators, no surprise) use "cheese pizza" as a code word ... that means when a pizza place uses "cheese pizza" they're really referring to porn?
Could you just maybe take a step back and see how truly retarded this whole thing is?
3 dieyoung 2016-12-10
What the fuck man? I said explicitly that there was no conclusive proof of that, did you even read what I wrote?
Ok then, what do you think pizza is referring to in the emails because it definitely ain't about deep dish
4 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
Holy fuck, how many times do I have to post this shit for you retards:
"How thin to slice it?" Jesus Christ, this is so clearly an in-joke between the Stratfor staff. The e-mail is addressed to the entire Austin staff, men and women alike. Like this woman. Damn, there's a guilty looking pedo if I've ever seen one!
Do you honestly think 100% of this office just happens to be child rapists?
I don't know if they didn't order enough pizza last time or what, but all the jokes about filling out forms in triplicate, double-sided, color-coded, etc. is typical office humor. Plus, there's another e-mail thread about an office pizza party which shows the off-site employees bumming out since they won't be there for pizza, and the final guy insinuates that it's a bribe from management, and somebody else should eat his slice.
I also don't know how young you are, but let me let you in on a little secret: Those of us who work in offices eat a metric fuck-ton of pizza. It's the easiest meal to bring in when you're busy. And I think you can safely assume that Stratfor Austin is pretty fucking busy.
If you look at it honestly, and without rage or bias getting in your way, you quickly understand how fucking ridiculous is to think that their entire Austin office is planning to fuck a kid over an office-wide e-mail thread.
PIZZAGATE SEZ: THE ENTIRE STRATFOR AUSTIN OFFICE IS DIVVYING UP A CHILD TO FUCK. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET A COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT "IN".
Dominos on cheese or pasta: This one seems so blindingly obvious. Keep in mind that the author is the 83-year-old Herb Sandler. His wife Marion of 51 years died about 3 years prior. Podesta had traditionally sent him an Xmas gift of pasta and sauce (Podesta is a known "foodie"), but this time, he got a box of cheeses. He thanks Podesta, and says that when his children (Susan and James) get back from their holiday travels (e-mail is dated 12/24), he'll enjoy the cheeses with them. Since there are other e-mails talking about how Susan (his grown daughter) has beaten him at dominos before, he's wondering if the cheese will improve his luck. This is a simple thank you for a Christmas gift. And fucking news flash: An 83-year-old man likes to play dominos.
BUT PIZZAGATE SEZ: PODESTA SENT A CHILD FOR 83-YEAR-OLD HERB TO FUCK. HE WAS EXPECTING A BOY, BUT GOT A GIRL. HE WONDERS IF HE'LL BE ABLE TO DOMINATE THE LITTLE GIRL BETTER IN HIS BDSM SEX PLAY, AS HE WAS LIMP-DICKED WITH THE LITTLE BOY LAST TIME.
2 iwaagh 2016-12-10
hahahaha Totally right with the office humour.
To add to this, I also think the old dude could simply have Crohn disease or some wheat intolerance... so maybe he does play better when eating cheese. As boring as it may be.
I wonder who has the most twisted mind to come to the pizzahate conclusions sometimes! Yet 80% of those guys being "horrified" at the child porn jokes (eg. from the pizza hipsters) are the ones who set the trend 2-3 years ago by saying horrible little girl rape jokes and pedobear crap.
5 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
When you're a pizzagater swinging a penis-shaped hammer, everything looks like a child's asshole.
1 iwaagh 2016-12-10
Interesting analogy and makes a lot of sense!
-1 RandallWho 2016-12-10
What i think it's means is there is overlap between 4chan and pizzagate but more in the way that everyone involved in pizzagate came from 4chan first.
I mean how else do you explain the overlap in the two?
4 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
You guys don't understand what "circumstantial" evidence is.
"Circumstantial" would be if you found the bookbag of a missing child in the Comet ping-pong room. "Direct evidence" would be if you found the child stuffed into a tunnel underneath the Comet ping-pong room.
Having an e-mail, ripped out of the context of previous conversations, and deciding that something is off is not "circumstantial evidence" by any stretch. It's a tenuous connection drawn in your own mind, and wouldn't be admissible into court, and wouldn't be grounds to start an official investigation.
When you factor in that literally all of the pizzagate "evidence" meets the same criteria, you can quickly see how fucked it is.
And for christ sakes, how do you bring "Cheese Pizza" into this? Cheese Pizza is longhand for CP, which is an abbreviation for child porn. You do realize that the phrase "cheese pizza" occurs exactly ZERO times in the Podesta e-mails, right?
What we have is a whole lot of "this means girl" and "this means semen", and none of these have ANY corroborating evidence or source, other than the venerable "some dude on 4chan".
Wake up. You guys are having your good intentions weaponized against you. You are being trolled by epic proportions.
2 iwaagh 2016-12-10
They truly are being trolled.
And it is obviously done to discredit the little peak of good reputation some alternative media got in the last months. And wikileaks by proxy since they put all this in the same basket.
The mainstream could not expect better than these raging SPW (Social Pizza Warriors) to 'prove' how alt news are "baaaaaad" and even dangerous.
I think none of these geniuses realized the published mainstream lost so much money in the last months that some added subscription systems, pay walls, and even asked for donations lol! They were losing a good amount of advertising money to alt-news. The published media were already in trouble because of the drops in sales of the printed editions, and the fact that competitors offer their news online for free. So all they had left was the advertising money and that goes with the traffic.
But here comes pizzagate and some idiots being happily dragged into the "anti-censorship" war to make it even worse... all this to only bring more censorship, get discredited even more and destroy alt-media newly acquired traffic/reputation... Turning decent people to think they should go back to "real news" instead of "fake news."
Dunno, seems obvious to me too they're being used.
2 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
I agree 100%.
And I guarantee you, now they have victims who they will be able to exploit, talking to the camera about how their lives were made a living hell by pizzagate harassers and "fake news".
Whether or not the CPP shooter guy was a crisis actor, or an organic pizzagate retard... it may still be up for debate, but either way, you couldn't have scripted it any better.
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2 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Hilarious.
I thought I would give you a sincere response but it seems like you only read the first line...am I feeding a troll?
Edit: you originally said "ok it's only 98%", which is what this response was in regards to, so I will now respond to your edited question:
Can you expound on this? I never mentioned government use of encryption, what are it trying to say here?
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Ok, and? You asked me if
I'm not sure where you're getting that from....John Podesta's private gmail account was hacked, why are you bringing up government encryption?
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
No I'm not you said that
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Discussing government expenditures in a private capacity is a discussion about government function between two people that have no hands on control over the matter...I'm not really sure what you're getting at here
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
What are you even talking about man
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Unfortunately, since the MSM will never discuss wikileaks unless it supports their bias (contingent on the network reporting), the drive for the investigation is fueled mostly by speculation by the public.
Instead of ridiculing the tens of thousands of people all over the world who have done their own (arguably insufficient) research on the topic, why doesn't the media just put this to bed by asking Podesta what the emails meant straight up? Why not discredit the accusations from the source?
I submit it is because there is substance to the claim and not addressing the "evidence," imo, is only going to create a Streisand effect and make more people more skeptical about the whole thing
3 Lilboyhugz 2016-12-10
If people started accusing me of being involved in a paedophile ring, and the only evidence they have are emails to and from a pizza shop discussing pizza, why the fuck would I waste my time defending myself from those baseless accusations.
1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Well, if you had an armed person coming to "investigate" and national media and commenting on your restaurant, I think there would be a slightly more compelling case for you to dissuade anyone else from harassing you
1 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
Be reasonable. If I showed up at your door, demanding that you provide an explanation of why you are fucking your cat, and everybody KNOWS that you are fucking your cat, and we're going to be sure to let all of your friends and family know that you're fucking your cat....
Are you going to dignify those allegations with a response? Are you going to trot out your cat, lift up its tail and display it's butthole to the camera, so that the press can validate that there is indeed no cat-fucking going on in your home?
Of course not. And if you did, you'd be stupid... because the only response from /r/conspiracy shit-stains would be, "Well, obviously he swapped out the cat for one with a tight asshole. WHAT IS HE HIDING?"
Shit allegations don't require a response, and it's the cool thing about this country. You're innocent until proven guilty... Unless you happen to be one of the dozens of poor souls caught up in pizzagate nonsense.
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Google uses DKIM authentication to verify the authenticity of emails. All of the wikileaks emails pass DKIM certification checks
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Ok, thanks, I'll take your asinine comment under consideration in lieu of the fact that I specifically said that the assumptions are not substantiative.
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1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
I'm not sure what your position on pizzagate is so I can't be said to endorse it
1 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
They're definitely authentic.
The big stretch is making the leap from "pasta", "cheese" and "sauce" to kid-fucking.
1 iwaagh 2016-12-10
Correction: Check the trends, you will see people DID NOT MAKE their own research.
They reposted the stuff already "researched" but the keyword usage kind of show there were not more research as we would expect.
4 stophamertime 2016-12-10
I have not seen any convincing evidence. People keep linking me to things that are totally nothing at all so you certainly have a problem with misinformation or irrelevant things out there.
Encouraging people to 'keep digging' and creating more of that I'm not convinced will help... when you accept everything as evidence for something you end up drowning out any valid evidence in a sea of total BS to the extent that whenever I try and look at it with an open mind all I see is what look to be crazy ramblings... I suspect that is what puts other people off it too.
4 ProgrammingPants 2016-12-10
"Citizen investigation" is the new slang the kids use for "witch hunt" nowadays, huh?
5 dieyoung 2016-12-10
No, just you
3 Bobarhino 2016-12-10
Keep digging, but separate the wheat from the chafe and only display the wheat.
3 lookmaimonthereddit 2016-12-10
A pizzagate wiki could be really helpful.
3 [deleted] 2016-12-10
Seriously? They'd ban it in a second. And even if they did, it wouldn't include all the information, and would most likely be a misrepresentation.
3 lookmaimonthereddit 2016-12-10
I didn't mean on Wikipedia. Can't we have our own wiki that we manage?
2 d3rr 2016-12-10
Here it is: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate
2 Ieuan1996 2016-12-10
Voat is a forum. Good for discussion, but again, not a Wikipedia. I can get behind what /u/lookmaimonthereddit is saying, but I don't have the technical expertise to make it myself so it's a good idea to float about until someone can create it. Pizzapedia or something like wikipizza would be a relevant name.
2 d3rr 2016-12-10
I think it would quickly become out of date, but you can do it: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mediawiki-on-ubuntu-14-04
1 RandallWho 2016-12-10
So you can get behind a user generated and maintained Wikipedia that literally anyone can make but you can get behind a user generated and maintaied Internet forum?
1 Ieuan1996 2016-12-10
I mean for the purpose of having a pizzagate "database" of sorts where people can look up specific things that are referenced, particular groups and people involved and having pages about them and how they're implicated and such and such. Don't let that confuse that I still want to use reddit and voat as forums for digging and discussion, but yeah different websites for different purposes.
2 RandallWho 2016-12-10
Ok. That makes sense.
Thanks
1 annieareyouokayannie 2016-12-10
Here you go.
1 lookmaimonthereddit 2016-12-10
Excellent!
3 1000100001 2016-12-10
Keep up the good work...... The important thing is noticing the patterns and letting it point you, to the most rational conclusion. I would suggest everyone on this sub know the Moda Operandi of child molesters and pedophiles. It's important to be familiar with their grooming techniques and fallacies. This will help you find greater information/ open source intelligence, which you may have overlooked in your original research. I would also recommend examining criminal intelligence applications, or open source crime reports; the best college class I ever had.
2 Wat1381 2016-12-10
It is making an impact. Sky news running report on child trafficking today. General coverage and raising awareness of this crisis will be a great start.
2 TheGlew 2016-12-10
There was a dedicated website, and the owner took it down out of fear. Voat has an excellent summary thread, much like reddit did before that community was banned. The truth is the people investigating PG do have their shit together, it's just mixed in with all of the smear tactics and shill shit posts. It's likely that no one will be able to undeniably prove this outside of circumstantial evidence, which is why it's important for people to take a few hours and do their own research instead of waiting for someone to spoon feed it to them. When you want to be spoon-fed, you wind up eating a lot of shit.
2 BC_Based 2016-12-10
Hey everyone, I think that I just found another puzzle piece in one of the Podesta emails that has been widely distributed. Basically in the email where Podesta talks about a hot dog stand in Hawaii, he also says " Between 7th and 1600, no fun." I believe that he is complaining about being overworked in his official capacity at the White House (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue) and here's the kicker, I think that "7th" is referring to his role in the Shadow Government aka the 7th Floor Group.
Here's an article about the 7th Floor Group aka Shadow Government: https://www.intellihub.com/state-department-h-q-houses-secretive-shadow-governments-7th-floor-group/
And here's the Wikileaks email that I'm referring to: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30231
Also, I made a post about this on Voat.co if anyone would like to help upvote it there for more exposure. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476249
2 afghanwhiggle 2016-12-10
Lol.
2 skeeter1234 2016-12-10
What conspiracy theorists need to do is create a snopes site of our own, but actually does try to separate fact from fiction.
2 Bossmaine 2016-12-10
Can we just start with the name? I feel like pizzagate just makes it sound like a joke.
0 annieareyouokayannie 2016-12-10
Before pizzagate was pizzagate, when it was just breaking and the word emerged, some wise anons cautioned against letting this become the name. I thought at the time they had a point and in retrospect they were right on the money.
1 [deleted] 2016-12-10
The CPP guy was an ACTOR, we already know this. Globalists are getting desperate now that the lid has been blown.
2 dieyoung 2016-12-10
I'm not saying that's not true but do you have any evidence of that? I mean, it would totally make sense but I can't confidently say that to a normie without some type of proof
3 KDRBTKD 2016-12-10
The shooter had a profile on IMDb.
3 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Ok, that's a good start, what else you got?
2 RandallWho 2016-12-10
Nothing
2 RandallWho 2016-12-10
Lol
1) he shot up CPP
2) He has an IMDB page and did two movies
3) false flags !
1 MoeOverload 2016-12-10
I just watched a bit on TV. They were talking about what legal repercussions can be taken against pizza-gaters. They are putting up the works to not censor this conspiracy or others outright - rather they are setting it up to make it illegal to discuss these "conspiracy theories". The shooter at CPP is part of this. A supposed threat born from a conspiracy theory.
So rather than outright remove it from the internet, I think they're going to make it illegal to discuss topics such at these under the grounds that people will get hurt, and if a theory gets too close, they hit it with a shooting or something and then we can all be arrested.
2 HS_00 2016-12-10
pizzagate is the excuse, censorship of non-billionaire owned media outlets is the endgame.
1 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
I think that existing libel/slander laws are sufficient.
If you have a great theory that your local pizza joint owner is a pedo, then you better have your fucking ducks in a row before you put it up on your blog... because if it turns out to be false, there is a good chance you're going to get sued into financial oblivion.
When civil suits start targeting the sites who are hosting the bullshit, THEN the fun really gets started. Multi-million dollar payouts from Google, because they allow some pizzagate pinheads to circle-jerk each other into a frenzy on YouTube, and somebody ended up getting shot, or had their business burned, or family harrassed, or any number of potential outcomes of this witch hunt.
Sit back and grab the popcorn, folks!
1 333bbbggg 2016-12-10
The biggest battle of our lives is coming.
3 TallWhiteRichMan 2016-12-10
lol
1 iwaagh 2016-12-10
Just look at the trends vs pizzagate or related keywords searches.
Lot of talk, lot of reposting, pretty much no research besides what was reposted..... A real circle of validation so far, that's why you don't see yet solid connections out of the comet ping pong area! Even comet ping pong is more researched than Alester Crowley. You look at how much people talk about pedophilia vs research it... almost a flat line. Same for child abuse, satanism, orphans, Haiti, etc. It's pretty sad.
Edit: Oh but D&D (lol) and dungeon keywords got a peak lately ;)
0 DDO39 2016-12-10
Instead of all banging away furiously on you keyboards, phones and tablets why don't you organise some sort of demonstration in front of this place if you think it is so painfully real? Get a banner, tell the media thousands of "PizzaGate" believes are going to converge on this place and demand authorities listen! Protest! At least the "black lives matter" # got into the street. I mean you would think saving the children from the evil inside would be far more important. Fuck me you all talk a good game but at the end of the day you do fuck all.
1 dieyoung 2016-12-10
Besides the fact that the alleged culprits in this crime are networked with other extremely well connected people and the would be, theoretically, putting their well being on the line, there hasn't been a thorough, procedural investigation yet and any amateurish attempt at bringing these concerns to the public will be met with ire and denigration from the media who is also (again) allegedly involved as well.
That's because they were paid to do so
2 greyhoundLocker 2016-12-10
Ahhh, yes...
So nameless, faceless, keyboard warriors. Fucking with dozens of peoples' lives without slightest care or concern. All in the name of the nameless, faceless child, who may or may not be getting abused.
I grabbed one of the Stratfor employee's e-mail address and threw it into Google earlier in the week. The first 5 hits after the Wikileaks dump were Pizzagate blogs, run by the borderline retarded, accusing her via her real name of being complicit in a pedophilia ring.
This shit doesn't just magically disappear when you fucks grow up and move out of mommy's basement. Forever, when somebody googles her real name, they're going to see allegations of pedophilia. Employers, neighbors, friends, enemies, potential dates... you name it.
And that is some fucked up shit right there. And you should all be ashamed that you're taking part in it.
1 DDO39 2016-12-10
So much for the kids!!
1 RandallWho 2016-12-10
Lol
3 lookmaimonthereddit 2016-12-10
I didn't mean on Wikipedia. Can't we have our own wiki that we manage?