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We shouldn't still be in a place where we have to say "it could be worse." It's the 21st century in America. Something is really going to have to change.
Exactly. They will rationalize the use of psyops on Americans by assuming anything other than status quo speech is "Russian propaganda" that needs counter-messaging.
NATO is making "Russian propaganda" its top priority, merging social media ops with information and cyber ops, and merging with the EU cell that handles the same.
Easy. you call them opinion pieces. They will try to call them "news", and you just call them Op-eds, dropping their argument out from underneath them like a trapdoor. "Are you going to fight my opinion bro??"
Then of course what happens naturally is that people will get their news through op-eds of alt media people who don't lie to them.
These guys can't even come up with good euphemisms any more. Might as well name the new NATO and EU center for counter propaganda the "totally not propaganda center."
They embed the worst shit in the NDAA. They know the military funding bill is always going to pass and so it has become a vehicle for them to pass the worst kinds of laws.
In a better world, with a government that served the people, I could envision a counter-disinformation agency that actually performs a service by debunking false facts with truths. I doubt that this is will be that, but it is a doable and worthwhile thing.
The conspiracy theorist vs the hordes of shills. We must remain vigilant. Do not let them intimidate you. Remain strong. Fight
This is like helms gate deep. We'll be swarmed with shills to the point where all seems hopeless, but we must not give up. By morning Gandalf (the smoking gun) will arrive and we'll have the public behind us.
Great another $50 billion dollar waste of money department that will only serve to censor political sensitive stories at the behest of our corporate/government oligarchs.
Because the government passed a law to allow then to propagandize us, their own people. Who gives a fuck about other countries ability to emotionally manipulate us if our own government is blatantly able to do it, and stifle counter thought.
Whose interests? The people in government or the people? Because if your talking about the government officials they have the ability to totally gaslight us now while criminalizing those who attempt to garner the truth. This is a loss for the people and a win for the powers that be.
That question doesn't make sense - any action by anyone can contribute to or damsge the national interest. Are you questioning the concept of national interest?
Intelligence communities in most western countries have reported increasing influence of Russian propaganda in elections. Russia is weakening democratic institutions in the west, targeting people just like the people that come to this sub and half of you on here are fucking celebrating.
I wouldn't mind as long as there is a robust system in place to accurately identify actual Russian propaganda. I doubt that will happen. Anything that sounds "anti-American" will be classified as Russian propaganda and then "countered" with American propaganda.
Exactly. They will rationalize the use of psyops on Americans by assuming anything other than status quo speech is "Russian propaganda" that needs counter-messaging.
These guys can't even come up with good euphemisms any more. Might as well name the new NATO and EU center for counter propaganda the "totally not propaganda center."
NATO is making "Russian propaganda" its top priority, merging social media ops with information and cyber ops, and merging with the EU cell that handles the same.
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114 snowmandan 2016-12-10
Great, now I'm going to be paying the hourly wages of the shills I'm arguing with on the goddamn internet with my tax dollars. Fucking fantastic.
25 [deleted] 2016-12-10
And people think this country ISNT going to collapse on itself. Play shitty games win shitty prizes and all that.
9 LoganLinthicum 2016-12-10
these shitposting delights have shitposting ends
1 HarryParatesties 2016-12-10
And people say don't go ass to mouth.
8 Boomaloomdoom 2016-12-10
Fucking this. Wow.
4 pepe_silvia67 2016-12-10
At first I chuckled and then I realized this is accurate. Sonofabitch...
3 VivaLaRevolucione 2016-12-10
It's been that way for a while.
4 snowmandan 2016-12-10
Oh cool thanks for that.
5 [deleted] 2016-12-10
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3 clickwhistle 2016-12-10
It could be worse, that could send the local PD to collect you for spreading anti-government propaganda.
9 snowmandan 2016-12-10
We shouldn't still be in a place where we have to say "it could be worse." It's the 21st century in America. Something is really going to have to change.
3 juushii 2016-12-10
Taxation is theft.
3 snowmandan 2016-12-10
I'd have to agree with you
34 WhenYouCloseYourEyes 2016-12-10
counter propaganda is the real propaganda
5 Telenerd 2016-12-10
Keep it under your stetson.
5 NutritionResearch 2016-12-10
Exactly. They will rationalize the use of psyops on Americans by assuming anything other than status quo speech is "Russian propaganda" that needs counter-messaging.
1 bananawhom 2016-12-10
Your use of "will" makes me think you are unaware this has already transpired.
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1 bananawhom 2016-12-10
Ah I see, and thank you.
NATO is making "Russian propaganda" its top priority, merging social media ops with information and cyber ops, and merging with the EU cell that handles the same.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2016-12-10
Easy. you call them opinion pieces. They will try to call them "news", and you just call them Op-eds, dropping their argument out from underneath them like a trapdoor. "Are you going to fight my opinion bro??"
Then of course what happens naturally is that people will get their news through op-eds of alt media people who don't lie to them.
2 bananawhom 2016-12-10
These guys can't even come up with good euphemisms any more. Might as well name the new NATO and EU center for counter propaganda the "totally not propaganda center."
18 [deleted] 2016-12-10
This is fucked up. They want to censor the Internet. That's the end goal.
10 AdviseMyAdvice 2016-12-10
So the government will pay me to help expose WaPo and NYT propaganda?
As a Bernie supporter who voted Trump... I'd love that.
4 inbetweentime 2016-12-10
exposepromote4 dont_suicide_me 2016-12-10
This exactly. WaPo and NYT will officially be the Ministry of Truth.
8 [deleted] 2016-12-10
They embed the worst shit in the NDAA. They know the military funding bill is always going to pass and so it has become a vehicle for them to pass the worst kinds of laws.
7 RoyalWithCheese22 2016-12-10
Doesn't this open up an opportunity for alternative media to apply for government funding?
3 beachexec 2016-12-10
It might. Get 'em on it!
5 Iceboundend 2016-12-10
fucking nuts man, just too crazy
where is the outrage at the ministry of propaganda, soon it's gonna be too late
make a voat account now
5 [deleted] 2016-12-10
Lol these mother fuckers are going to get a retirement and benefits for this shit? WOW.
4 joe462 2016-12-10
In a better world, with a government that served the people, I could envision a counter-disinformation agency that actually performs a service by debunking false facts with truths. I doubt that this is will be that, but it is a doable and worthwhile thing.
4 podesta_the_molesta 2016-12-10
This is the beginning of the great reddit war.
The conspiracy theorist vs the hordes of shills. We must remain vigilant. Do not let them intimidate you. Remain strong. Fight
This is like helms
gatedeep. We'll be swarmed with shills to the point where all seems hopeless, but we must not give up. By morning Gandalf (the smoking gun) will arrive and we'll have the public behind us.[8]
2 Elmo_Tully 2016-12-10
Helm's Deep.
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2 podesta_the_molesta 2016-12-10
Fixed, thanks ent. [7]
1 911bodysnatchers322 2016-12-10
So if Trump is Gandalf, who is Radegast?
1 HarryParatesties 2016-12-10
Bill Murray.
2 patrioticamerican1 2016-12-10
Great another $50 billion dollar waste of money department that will only serve to censor political sensitive stories at the behest of our corporate/government oligarchs.
2 bananawhom 2016-12-10
USAF 24th and UK 77th were already the federal version of CTR.
1 noizu 2016-12-10
Funny how bills always do the opposite of what their titles would lead you to think they do. Good old newspeak.
1 HarryParatesties 2016-12-10
That Murphy is always attached to some slimy shit.
0 philosophocles 2016-12-10
Your title is false and misleading.
I despise correct the record, but what you are stating in your title is 100% not true.
-5 Groomper 2016-12-10
I don't get what this has to do with CTR though?
17 HOW_COULD 2016-12-10
It says it will give grants to civil groups who do exactly what CTR does, "counter propaganda"
-10 Throwawayearthquake 2016-12-10
Why would you not want some counter to Russian and Chinese propaganda?
8 HOW_COULD 2016-12-10
Because the government passed a law to allow then to propagandize us, their own people. Who gives a fuck about other countries ability to emotionally manipulate us if our own government is blatantly able to do it, and stifle counter thought.
-2 Throwawayearthquake 2016-12-10
Really? Do you not think this may be damaging to the national interest?
6 HOW_COULD 2016-12-10
Whose interests? The people in government or the people? Because if your talking about the government officials they have the ability to totally gaslight us now while criminalizing those who attempt to garner the truth. This is a loss for the people and a win for the powers that be.
2 dont_suicide_me 2016-12-10
Who's in charge of these "national interests" you speak of?
0 Throwawayearthquake 2016-12-10
That question doesn't make sense - any action by anyone can contribute to or damsge the national interest. Are you questioning the concept of national interest?
3 dont_suicide_me 2016-12-10
I'm questioning who defines what is and what isn't national interests?
3 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2016-12-10
Could you give a solid of "russian propaganda" that needs to be countered?
Vague references to unnamed sources are not credible, and are in fact the exact kind of US propaganda that Americans are sick and tired of.
1 Throwawayearthquake 2016-12-10
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13X15D
Intelligence communities in most western countries have reported increasing influence of Russian propaganda in elections. Russia is weakening democratic institutions in the west, targeting people just like the people that come to this sub and half of you on here are fucking celebrating.
2 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2016-12-10
um, you realize that reuters is literally owned by the Rothschild banking cartel, right?
http://google.com/search?q=reuters+rothschild
1 Throwawayearthquake 2016-12-10
Do you dispute what is included in the article - which is consistent with the sentiment in the western intelligence community?
2 tamrix 2016-12-10
It's their excuse because they're losing control of what the American people belief.
1 NutritionResearch 2016-12-10
I wouldn't mind as long as there is a robust system in place to accurately identify actual Russian propaganda. I doubt that will happen. Anything that sounds "anti-American" will be classified as Russian propaganda and then "countered" with American propaganda.
5 Telenerd 2016-12-10
Keep it under your stetson.
5 NutritionResearch 2016-12-10
Exactly. They will rationalize the use of psyops on Americans by assuming anything other than status quo speech is "Russian propaganda" that needs counter-messaging.
2 bananawhom 2016-12-10
These guys can't even come up with good euphemisms any more. Might as well name the new NATO and EU center for counter propaganda the "totally not propaganda center."
1 bananawhom 2016-12-10
Ah I see, and thank you.
NATO is making "Russian propaganda" its top priority, merging social media ops with information and cyber ops, and merging with the EU cell that handles the same.