After yesterday's tunnel video...

120  2016-12-10 by 9000sins

I feel pretty strongly about this so let me get right to the point. Please, I'm begging all of you, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO WHAT THESE GUYS DID. It's dangerous, probably illegal and will more than likely get you killed/detained by law enforcement. This will only add fuel to the fire and it potentially could lead to serious consequences for everyone here. If this sub becomes a hotbed of this kind of activity, the reddit admins will shit this sub down like they did with /r/pizzagate. This goes a step beyond doxxing and it becomes harassment and trespassing. I cannot in good faith watch this happen here and stay silent about it. For the love of god, please keep yourselves safe and out of trouble. We debated heavily about the merits of removing the post, but we ultimately decided against it because it goes against what we stand for as mods here. But I do not encourage these kinds of videos. I hope that you guys take this a seriously as I feel about it. Our future, all of our futures, depend on what we do right now. Don't mess it up for everyone by breaking the law or harassing/stalking anyone. Stay safe everyone.

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I read your title as "tunnel vision". I think it fits just as well.

Instead of harassing businesses I'd suggest people start familiarizing themselves with the full history of the global conspiracy pizzagate is part of. It's just a tip of a monstrous iceberg that's been out in the open for centuries.

With a bit of background information they may be more likely to find the links between Jerry Sandusky, the British Royal family, the Korean human trafficking ring, child welfare organisations, and international aid organisations. I'm sure the Vatican fits in there somewhere as well.

Edit:

Also.. the Israeli mafia was busted in Canada running a pedo ring..

https://concisepolitics.com/2016/01/15/canadian-police-bust-jewish-mob-run-pedophile-ring/

I completely agree. It's easy to get passionate and emotional about this stuff....you get angry and yah...I understand 100% but we also have to realize this is a very small piece of the puzzle...stay focused everyone and BE SMART....

Those who do so are risking their lifes or are shills who try to discredit us anyway.

Posts that expose us as a terrorist front should be discouraged and/or deleted on sight.

We are NOT a terrorist or internet warrior front.

We do not fight with fists; We fight with information.

The tunnel video IS fighting with fists.

Posting names of victims IS fighting with fists.

Plus when the big purge comes your internet records will expose you as whatever you are and you will be caught by the secret police and get purged.

Keep investigating but don't go overboard so they cannot find an excuse to end us.

Yes exactly my point. The other mods were not thrilled with removing the post based on our anti-censorship policy. However I feel that this video violates the rules about stalking/harassment, but instead of here they are doing it IRL! That is even worse in my opinion. Maybe that rule needs a bit of revision to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

As someone who has found the mountain of circumstantial evidence completely overwhelming and believes we need to seek justice, I admire you for attempting to maintain the integrity of this sub as well as the general culture of citizen investigation, and genuinely worrying about people's safety. Good on you.

Lets talk about kids safety. Lets talk about how we beleive them to be murders and rapists. Fuck our safety. Those kids need help.

Just telling the MOD I think he's doing his job well.

It is a tricky situation, but at least we're having a discussion about it (which shows the topic itself isn't being censored). It's better for people to go somewhere like VOAT to view the video, rather than risk having this sub shut down over it. Luckily it appears the video was shit anyway, so it's kind of a moot point

I would rather if people were to do something like this that it should not be posted here. I don't advocate anyone doing this at all, but if you must, don't post it here. Post it on Voat and link that shit. If the admins don't like it we can adjust rather than having the sub endangered.

Don't tell people what to post here. You need to go dude.

You're entering gatekeeper territory that the mods have agreed to not go into a long fucking time ago. You're making serious fucking waves here and it needs to stop.

Personally I wouldn't want anything posted here that could give any reason for this subreddit to get shut down. This sub is so much more than pizza gate. I've learnt so much here

I've learnt so much here

You know why that is possible? Because we don't pick and choose what subjects people are allowed to post. We moderate solely on the behavior conditions set within our rules. The moment you break away from that tradition for the sake of the children or the protect the sub from danger, then you immediately alter the utility of the subreddit itself.

The sub isn't getting shut down because of the tunnel video. The tunnel video wasn't doxxing anyone or breaking ToS.

All the pizza gate stuff that is posted on here I saw on 4chan first, there's barely anything new being discovered, the things I've learnt here are about other topics. This sub is getting bogged down with clickbait pizzagate threads and threads titled in a way to purely rev people up about the topic, with no real point.

I do support pizza gate stuff being posted here, but I think that the mods should perhaps get rid of some of the repeat/nonsense threads to clean the subreddit up a bit, otherwise it'll just become a different version of the_donald, where there were 10+ posts about the same tweet, or same news article, and threads/pictures that didn't mean anything were getting upvoted so much that the important things get lost.

edit: I had a look at the front page now and it looks a lot better than it has for the last week or so, so hopefully people aren't just upvoting blindly anymore.

Because you've never made any waves around here, oh no, and surely no one has ever called for you to leave.

Just wondering while you're here, when is the next official /r/conspiracy podcast coming out?

This is a delusional point of self-importance. If and when they kill switch the internet, pretty much everyone will be soon dying of bio - terrorism or some kind of weapon/disaster. They will have to take out the masses, Boston was a staged event to see if and how social media effected a lockdown.

This Pizzagate shit has gotten outta control. I'm glad a mod said something, but this is just feeding the new subscribers, which in my opinion, has driven down the content and discussion of this sub. I'm not alone in this opinion.

Now come the kneejerk, adolescent comments on what a shill I am, despite being an avid member of this sub for years.

There will be no bio terrorism, Nuclear attacks on cities etc. style mass wipeouts. Trust me.

If they do this, they had basically sacrificed their 12000 or more year hard work by destroying the control system they planted on us.

Once the kill switch is in, expect mass purges of dissendents, however.

It wont be announced itll be dosguised as weather/ flu epidemic / hell aliens are getting close to debuting publicly.

We're just butthurt because Reddit was created & designed by the Pentagon to manipulate an artificial "consensus". The real Pizzagate gets buried in absurdity. The real pedos get away clean. "The New FBI" doesn't need to investigate 9/11 or Anthrax. The good guys are framed.

You can't fight back against a flood of unlimited fake accounts. "LMAO"

When you think about it. That artificial consensus becomes real. People no the real consensus. Only a matter of time.

This goes a step beyond doxxing and it becomes harassment and trespassing.

And yet the mods refused to remove it after I reported it along with who knows how many other people here.

Looks to me like it's the mods, or at least some of them, that want this sub shut down.

I reported it as well.

Did you guys bother to look at the rest of the youtube channel who put out that video?

They make trolling, fake videos https://www.youtube.com/user/PodAwful/videos

Scary that the mod team isn't aware of that here or maybe they are aware and placating a trolling video as something real which just screams what kind of moderation they are doing here

+1

Pretty obvious even without linking to their channel. The video was them walking about with some snippets of furniture and stuff. No where did it show them going in one end and coming out the other. Honestly if any other videos are posted like that I'd understand if its removed, shills/trolls might make more things like that that could be construed as irl harassment and fuck this sub up.

Obvious stuff?

They look at the ground as they go in then the video cuts to a text of them saying this isn't illegal then they show up in a dark setting and it goes to an underground area which DC is known to have underground areas

Their youtube sums up how they take advantage of current headlines to grab view counts for their ad revenue, you've been trolled as have the admins who I suspect anyway are purposely pushing silly posts like this on /r/conspiracy to make normies view conspiracies in general as silly.

GOOD JOB on manipulating fellow humans for a paycheck.

Can i get a roundabout explanation of what happened?

Some people went out to Comet Pizza and Besta Pizza and poked around with a camera. They are either stupid or shills.

Meh. If i lived in dc I'd be hitting that place on the reg schmoozing the staff and bringing my friends. I wouldn't be doing anything flashy with a camera or weapons. There's nothing to be gained that way.

What are you trying to gain?

If this operation is what everyone says it is then people will know a lot about it and eventually drop casual details they shouldn't be.

I honestly doubt comet would be dumb enough to continue their operation while the spotlight is on them. Schmoozing with the staff is fine and all but I doubt any information can be gained from it, unless a staff member isn't in on it and knows an important detail without realizing it.

But even then the whole staff would probably be suspicious of conversations going in that direction these days.

unless a staff member isn't in on it and knows an important detail without realizing it.

I believe this is the most likely scenario.

But even then the whole staff would probably be suspicious of conversations going in that direction these days.

Which is why i wouldn't bring it up. Ever. People love to talk and I'm more than happy to listen with my hidden microphone.

They were shills,the moment that guy told the other one that how the car and how kid would have jumped in,how WTF?

and then a closeup of trashcans and the shills running.

BRO THOSE KIDS WE APPROACHED GOT IN A CAR AND LEFFFFFTTTT

SPPOOOOKKKKKKYYY

I'm honestly not sure if they are retarded, or a psyop meant to make any interested in investigating pizzagate look like retards.

since the amount of personality attention,its not a big psyop,I guess.

I don't think so either. 100% cringe OP though.

People made a video of a tunnel that supposedly ran from the back of Besta and CPP right to the pediatrics wing of Chevy Chase hospital.

Temporarily "borrowing" newborns from the hospital without parents knowing? Fked up

Where is the evidence of that? Or is that what is assumed is happening?

It was a piece of evidence in true detective. Pretty fucked up.

Is that a show or documentary?

Show. Its pizzagate in show form. They use the same pedo symbols as besta pizza

In that show is what they did? Was it also a tunnel?

I just know they removed the babies from the heart mo itor machine and they put them back when they were done except they would be dead

That's hard to do. The babies have tracking bracelets that if cut sound the alarm. If they try and leave the unit it stops the elevators, locks doors and scrambles security. The bands have a unique ID that's scanned when medication or tests are done.

No nurse would let a baby leave the unit for any reason. I find this all highly suspect.

Valid point, possible misinformation happening here.

In the leaked John Podesta emails, there was weird wordings and talk about pizza and 6month old pasta.... people got curious.... people found connections. Media says its fake. We want an invesyogation... r pizzagate gets deleted.... now they want us to not do what those guys did.... they are telling us to "stay safe" when is someone gonna ask about a vkctim count. Current victims. Its pedophillia and murder....

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Yes, I think most people reached the conclusion that this video shouldn't be trusted

So you're attacking people who endanger themselves to find the truth?

I think it might of had been a hoax,but atleast somebody put their money where their mouth is for ounce if the video is true.

Not attacking anyone. I just think what happened should not have been posted here. I didn't think it was appropriate because of extenuating circumstances.We should not encourage this kind of behavior by posting it here and upvoting in droves without actually watching the whole video.

I understand that we should never encourage this kind of stuff, and indeed I agree that to do such things as these guys did is unsafe and unwise. But I also agree that if someone's out there doing it and posting videos we should not be trying to remove the videos or make them stop talking about their experiences. This shit is happening one way or the other and it is our role and our job to digest it.

If you haven't noticed, Reddit has come down with a case of the censorship bug. It's probably better to err on the side of caution so that this sub doesn't get the axe by Spez. At least we can still discuss the existence of the video, and you can go to Voat if you want to actually watch it. It's not ideal, but it's the reality we're faced with

We should start a post and by posting saying something like we all agree not to go near Comet pizza or any other named businesses involved in conspiracies, or engage in any crimes. Research and talking about is is NOT a crime. If they passed legislation to outlaw sppech, it's invalid becasue it's unconstitutional. Constitution has to be superceded by amendments, last I heard. Oh also and the constitituon is invalid anyway because of the COG being active--so there are no laws. Keep that in mind. Still you don't want them to harass you because they have money, technology and the numbers.

Something as simple as an 'aye' in the comments, we are consenting to a social contract that no one here on /r/conspiracy will go anywhere near comet pizza or any of these places.

Just so that we have a kind of agreement that it's someone else doing this, and not us.

I think it's stupid to go anywhere near there after this--they'd have your face on camera, so they can recognize you. And if you really believe in this grand conspiracy, then you're putting your whole family, neighbors and community at great risk of stalking and possibly murdering everyone you know.

Where is this tunnel video? Somebody link?

anyone have a link to this video?

Go to the Voat pizzagate sub and you can easily find it

I wish we could remove it there too

Don't put marbles in your nose put them in there do not put them in there

people look at me funny when I sing that at them.

Lol. ;)

How dare people walk about freely with video cameras using public walkways and streets. Shame on them for doing the job that actual investigators no longer do.

How dare they!

no seriously, argue with me about how you need government issued credentials to investigate the government, this should be a blast.

didnt think so

Texaxtly. The video waa ferrible and heavily edited. He needs to go back for a better video.

Some people went out to Comet Pizza and Besta Pizza and poked around with a camera. They are either stupid or shills.

People made a video of a tunnel that supposedly ran from the back of Besta and CPP right to the pediatrics wing of Chevy Chase hospital.

no seriously, argue with me about how you need government issued credentials to investigate the government, this should be a blast.

In the leaked John Podesta emails, there was weird wordings and talk about pizza and 6month old pasta.... people got curious.... people found connections. Media says its fake. We want an invesyogation... r pizzagate gets deleted.... now they want us to not do what those guys did.... they are telling us to "stay safe" when is someone gonna ask about a vkctim count. Current victims. Its pedophillia and murder....

It wont be announced itll be dosguised as weather/ flu epidemic / hell aliens are getting close to debuting publicly.

Texaxtly. The video waa ferrible and heavily edited. He needs to go back for a better video.

Show. Its pizzagate in show form. They use the same pedo symbols as besta pizza