OMG thank you. I saw the small puddle under his head (at least that's what I think it is) and the thing about there not being casings from blanks? XD
And the shot didn't make a sound when it hit his body? Someone has been playing to much Cod. I kiiiinda thought it might be fake first because it looks too good. He's got the filming angles, he's got the poses and he's standing behind him, how the fuck did a man like that end up standing behind a high up person, I heard he's am off duty officer but that's exactly what's wrong, off duty. The collar getting flicked up looks fake not because it looks mechanical buy because since its such a bright shirt there should be some trace of blood since the bullet came out. The assassin getting shot looks kinda bad to because there's bullet holes EVERYWHERE I'd expect more precision but then also it's and extremely heated hostage situation with a person already being killed.
But since its probably not fake, staged I do believe but not fake where going to see shit go down maybe.
If you frame by frame through the youtube vid (use the , and . keys to move forward/back a frame at a time), you'll see that he flinches before it, and that his shirt is blown open by something, and his jacket then immediately closes. It's not a reflection of light thing. It's clearly some sort of wind/gas.
Oh I dunno, maybe because a piece of metal going 800+ MPH had just hit his body?
Prove to me it was some kind of wind/gas and maybe I'll believe you, but until then, I'm going with Occam's razor on this one. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.
Oh I dunno, maybe because a piece of metal going 800+ MPH had just hit his body?
Prove to me it was some kind of wind/gas and maybe I'll believe you, but until then, I'm going with Occam's razor on this one. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.
lol you posit an explanation that is less plausible (having more "moving parts") and then use Occam as a defense, with, lol, a "prove it" claim. ok buddy. pot kettle black sauce.
The whole chain of mechanical events that would cause his shirt only to puff out at one spot. Rather than say, some injection of higher pressure that translates via the fluid of air to puff out at a single spot.
if you watch the video with SOUND, you can hear several shots before he flinches. I love how everyone becomes an expert on video analysis whenever some shit like this happens, and 100% of attacks are false flags.
No one claimed it, I'm just saying there's always a few posts of people who claim to find every false aspect of a video whenever shit like this goes down
I'm saying that the SOUND itself sounds like blanks, and you obviously would have been able to hear the shell casings hitting the floor. This video has most likely been doctored.
Holy shit you are retarded if you think this guy's clothes absorbed 9-10 gunshot wounds worth of blood.
Don't think we have the angle to where the ambassador was lying but photo of dead gunman. I'm amazed by how it was caught on camera like it was and photos realeased right away. A lot different procedure than the US..
I have seen analysis showing explosions near front of chest.. but no blood. And there is a reverse angle shot somewhere too that shows no blood but possibly a casing or 2.
Assassin gets shot, blood everywhere? Also, I cannot find any other photos/video of assassin getting shot. Why not? The cameras were already there and in place.
It's blown open by the force of the bullet hitting his body.. Not some wind/gas.
there has to be some blood in the front of his shirt, because of the exit wound. If the shirt wasn't blown open/puffed up because of the bullet, what caused it?
According to witness at the site, the gunman suddenly rushed behind Karlov and shot, then Karlov fell to the ground. The gunman also shot at spectators at the site, according to a witness.
“He (the gunman) firstly pointed his gun to the ambassador, then turned his gun to us. We lay prone on the ground because of panic. I saw the gunman pointed his gun to the ceiling, and the ambassador fell down,” said a witness. Source
The expressions on their faces reminds me of other false flags. Some are not even looking at the gunman, and some look bored.
This photo (credit u/teslasmuse). Is this how you would behave if there was a gunman/assassin (who just killed someone) behind you? They look like they just got out of a boring work meeting while the shooter is still talking behind them AFTER KILLING SOMEONE.
But what do I know, I'm just an asshole on the internet.
Also the fallout from this was predictable. It is driving the Russia and Turkey together, not apart. This means Erdogan and Putin both have motives to be involved in this. They are also the only ones who could have staged it.
Who the fuck turns their back to a crazy man with a gun? This is why we invented 'backing up', eyes on the predator, ass aimed the other way, move backwards.
Considering that the gunman was a police officer is maybe the reason why the Ambassador's back was towards him. The police officer was there to protect him, not kill him.
A clip (stripper clip is the most common) holds rounds together. It's basically a bent piece of metal, it feeds magazines, it is a non-mechanical devixe. Magazines feed guns. Magazines have a spring, and a follower to keep rounds going into the chamber.
If you can't see that blood, get a better monitor that can actually distinguish color. I bet you have a cheap fucking laptop or broken eyeballs that you can't even see it. Doesn't it fucking suck being POOR? It really limits your ability to do research so you end up spreading misinformation and looking like a goddamned fucking lightweight amateur.
I'm so sick of you delusional psychopaths. You're everywhere, yet none of you have the GUTS to be confronted in voice chat. I've challenged hundreds of you. Ventrilo. Mumble. Teamspeak. Skype. Discord. ANYTHING--and you losers just make excuses.
Go install one of them and give me the info. I'm not going to let you psychopaths get away with spreading misinformation and BULLSHIT.
Oops. I found your kryptonite: oral confrontation.
I've seen people get shot, they don't flinch like that, this guy is acting. Watch the youtube video at .25 speed and look at the spot I highlighted in the freeze frame where there is an explosion on his lapel. It's not a bullet exit wound, it's a tiny explosive charge. Open your fucking eyes.
I'm a combat veteran of Afghanistan, 13 months, yes they fucking do. I was a MK19 gunner mainly, and carried the M240 dismounted. I know exactly what men look like when they get shot. Just because Alex Jones tells you it's staged or whatever doesn't mean it's gospel.
It recently came to light in front of the entire world from courageous journalist Eva Bartlett from Canada, that the people in Syria know that the western media is lying about the situation in Syria and that they want the West (U.S. in particular) to stop arming terrorists that are killing Syrian people.
These "Fake death" conspiracies are too fucking complicated. What happened to the good old days where nefarious shadow organizations just outright murdered people to get what they want
Eaxctly! The real conspiracy, if there was one, would be that Russia had him killed (because why wouldn't they instead of faking his death?). But that's not as fun as this horseshit for the idiots
I think a lot of the "fake death" stuff is a misinterpretation of what false flags and fake narratives are.
The events that take place do not have to be faked. The events that take place can be real so long as they push the false narrative.
But I don't really know much about this situation. I just think all the "faked events" and "crisis actors" stuff is designed to discredit more plausible conspiracy theories.
I think it's just more fun to try and find these crazy 'holes' in the scenario for these people. It's more exciting for those that do it, and it's more exciting to read when done well, which means more traffic and attention for the creator when it's lapped up by those craving conspiracies.
No one is mentioning the obvious of how this is not fake:
A fat guy can't hold his breath like that where his whole chest is still after hearing loud noises and falling? Nah, it might have been a set up, but he is dead.
Also, no massive sucking chest wound in the heart area. It would be not safe for 6PM news. Ala R. Budd "Nice Shot Man" Dwyer if you guys remember that shit.
But how will they cover this up? this isn't some dude from village of Pakistan this is an Ambassador,what will they do? dispose his body with no pictures?
and what about the Trump? isn't it Russia? Why would Trump be following the rich people agenda?
there's a pretty good doc about him on youtube made not too long ago. They interview his family and the dude that allegedly offered the bribe. Def recommend
Why is the spring of his magazine coming out, and why are there two unfired shells on the ground, but no empty casings?
There are definitly empty shells in this picture. And it looks like the spring is coming out of the bottom of the mag. They obviously shot at him a lot from all the holes in the wall, maybe a round hit the mag breaking it.
Yeah I added an edit, I missed those in the bottom right corner. My bad. Whoever shot at him is a really shitty shot to have missed that many times though. I'd also think the holes would be higher up on the wall?
What a silly comment. A man was killed and you are making assumptions that the people who killed him (highly trained police team) are "shitty shots" because you see some holes in the wall in places you wouldn't expect them to be? Please just leave the internet.
IF it's fake, that would mean the Russian Ambassador was in on it, meaning the likely thing was a ploy by Russia. This would help take the heat off of their recent leveling of Aleppo and make them seem like the victims of terrorism.
I came here because I googled this event with "fake." This does appear to me as staged simply because the venue was too perfect for a fake event. Cameras to document the event, etc. The shooter was even available to remain in the venue in order to pose for a photoshoot, with the gun raised, and able to deliver his pre-planned dialog. Once "the commoner" realizes that future planned international actions need to "arranged" this sort of thing will happen. For reference: 911, Sandy Hook, WW1, WW2, and on and on.
I too googled, and wound up with a link to this post. ambassador assassination faked
It was too convenient. The shooter looked like a 007 wannabe. Cam started out with a close-up. How was the camera person not shot as well? I'm not buying it
Plus, the willingness of so many tv stations to play it was bizarre. Typically, they take great measure to not show this type of footage.
he was giving a public speech in a museum, and hes an ambassador. thats why it looks so clean, why theres cameras, and why the gunman is wearing a suit. youre not going to get entrance to something like this wearing jeans and a tshirt
Let's not get too technical about the video, to me it looks at plain sight to be an absolute and obvious FAKE.
It doesn't pass the eye test, this looks like a television production from the way the body falls to the way the alleged gunman holds his gun and gestures, etc.
It looks like a scene from a spy movie. The terrorist moves like he has been rehearsing for the lead in a musical all month.
It's all a little too perfect, they haul the ambassador away in an ambulance and after a staged shootout (again, no blood) then they do the same with the gunman.
Mission accomplished. Even 911 did not have as perfect a video as this. I smell a rat with a Russian accent.
"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."
Why wasn't the Ambassador being protected by Russian bodyguards? Turkey would be considered a very high risk posting . At the very least you would expect the gunman to have have been killed by the bodyguard(s)) once the gunman opened fire.
Are you gonna propose to me that blood should immediately be flowing as if it is GTA Vice city? He's wearing a full suit, which is stopping the aforementioned fountain of blood. Also, for those familiar with a real murder tape called 3 Guys 1 hammer, it has always interested me why the man being murdered has never bled from his stomach after being repeatedly cut with a screwdriver to the point where u can see holes in his stomach, but no blood. And mind you this video is 100% real. Maybe we do not know the body and the way wounds and injuries occur but rather rely on media and hollywood to portray it to dramatic proportions.
Id like to mention something I'm not hearing much about: How does the Russian Ambassador land on his back with arms spread out and legs spread out? After being shot from behind consecutively with 9 bullets? Wouldn't the Ambassador be pushed forwards or to the right/his left? Am I wrong in expecting the force of 9 bullets in a row at point blank range would thrust him forwards and knocking over the podium? In the video it looks like he falls straight down and back somehow with all limbs stretched out. Looks very wrong to me. Also you can see his glasses on the floor behind the Ambassador somehow in one of the photos? How does this happen?
Everyone...I'm not one for jumping to conclusions about conspiracy but this thing seemed fake. No blood, the setting, the shooter, even the way it was video taped. Was there even an audience at the gallery?
Why is there no video of the assassin getting shot? Obviously the camera was still recording as he was shouting. So did someone switch off the camera and then shoot the gunman? If so, why?
Was the shooter not behind him? If he was not on the chest side of the target that would indicate that his clothes moving on his front side would be from an exit wound. If there is an exit wound it is extremely unlikely that there would be no blood or bits of his body strewn about
He was behind and to the Ambassador's right. The shooter appears to have shot him multiple times, including once that penetrated his shoulder, and once that probably struck him in the back of the head.
Fat Ambassador, in a highly charged situation, doesn't move his chest for a full minute after falling to the ground. Dude is dead.
It's just odd. Only thing I can think of is he didn't have a back on the vest or the shots got snuck in through the side. That would explain. Why the front of his shirt moved with no blood.
It is a weird set up but let's look at both sides:
For:
* Camera set up, especially the one next to him.
* Lack of blood anywhere to be seen
* The room itself is "awkward" or not very convincing.
* The flinching of that one guy
* No blood absorbed to be seen on white shirt
* No other public photos or video of the deceased (not really too suspicious)
* Very clean kill
* Very clean everything!
*The odd fall and the jumping of the collar
Against:
* No movement of the shot (who's weight would be a strain)
* The shot individual is not an actor
* Weight can absorb small bullets
Now I personally think he is dead, but he was set up to die, meaning the entire things feels and is awkward because it was a set up not by just the shooter to kill the ambassador but others who support the shooters agenda. It was very clean, documented and a professional assassination which involved multiple individuals.
The collar thing I think is due to the shirt being pulled by one of the bullets.
If he didn't die and was able to not move like that with that weight, props! Though the dark shadow under his head does appear to be something like fresh blood.
Either way, I think multiple people were involved and that also explains why the gun man was able to even to give their message. The shooter was a scale goat for some agenda.
Well planned assassination with the area, timing etc. not just some cop could have killed him in this fashion. Almost... Artistic.... Which is ironic with it being done in a gallery... Or intential...
Even I thought this entire scandal seemed a bit off, and hence got to this post by googling "was the assassination fake". Another thing I noticed was that he seemed to hold his stomach/abdomen while he was shot, even though he was being shot at from behind (with no visible exit wound). Also, if someone shoots me on the back, I think I would fall on my face, rather than on my back. Thoughts?
So basically you're saying, these guys faked an assassination. Spent countless hours, manpower, money to make it convincing but failed to do so because they couldn't afford some fake blood?
RIGGED_ELECTION: Hurrr Durr!!! There is not enough blood, so no one died!
Can't imagine what your claim was after all the explosions.
RIGGED_ELECTION: Hurrr Durrr!!! There are no bodies, so nothing happened at all!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0D4G61W8AA_adx.jpg
Situation about assassin:
His legs are shot couple of times by the police to get him alive but he insisted on fighting. When he tried to get something from his pocket police though of explodes and killed him. That was probably the magazine and it was shot also.
I have seen analysis showing explosions near front of chest.. but no blood. And there is a reverse angle shot somewhere too that shows no blood but possibly a casing or 2.
if you watch the video with SOUND, you can hear several shots before he flinches. I love how everyone becomes an expert on video analysis whenever some shit like this happens, and 100% of attacks are false flags.
Why is there no video of the assassin getting shot? Obviously the camera was still recording as he was shouting. So did someone switch off the camera and then shoot the gunman? If so, why?
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56 Rockran 2016-12-19
No you don't. The below will show why.
If it's a flash of light, why isn't it brighter than the light reflecting off of his forehead?
How does his flinch look any different than how someone would flinch that got shot or head a loud noise right behind them?
Does your ballistics expert know that blank rounds have casings?
Why would there be? The gunshot would overwhelm any squelching of flesh being torn.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5j8i9x/mevlut_mert_altintas_who_assassinated_the_russian/dbe5whw/
I have over 9,000 experts telling me your experts are wrong.
3 98kimm 2016-12-19
OMG thank you. I saw the small puddle under his head (at least that's what I think it is) and the thing about there not being casings from blanks? XD And the shot didn't make a sound when it hit his body? Someone has been playing to much Cod. I kiiiinda thought it might be fake first because it looks too good. He's got the filming angles, he's got the poses and he's standing behind him, how the fuck did a man like that end up standing behind a high up person, I heard he's am off duty officer but that's exactly what's wrong, off duty. The collar getting flicked up looks fake not because it looks mechanical buy because since its such a bright shirt there should be some trace of blood since the bullet came out. The assassin getting shot looks kinda bad to because there's bullet holes EVERYWHERE I'd expect more precision but then also it's and extremely heated hostage situation with a person already being killed.
But since its probably not fake, staged I do believe but not fake where going to see shit go down maybe.
0 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
If you frame by frame through the youtube vid (use the , and . keys to move forward/back a frame at a time), you'll see that he flinches before it, and that his shirt is blown open by something, and his jacket then immediately closes. It's not a reflection of light thing. It's clearly some sort of wind/gas.
16 Basilthebatlord 2016-12-19
Yes, he flinches before he was hit because the gun fired twice before the third bullet hit his back.
It's blown open by the force of the bullet hitting his body.. Not some wind/gas.
1 narcoleptik_ninja 2016-12-19
Where is the blood splatter then? The bullet went thru him correct? Where is the blood splatter on the podium and white floor?
0 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
you would know this because..?
15 Basilthebatlord 2016-12-19
Oh I dunno, maybe because a piece of metal going 800+ MPH had just hit his body?
Prove to me it was some kind of wind/gas and maybe I'll believe you, but until then, I'm going with Occam's razor on this one. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.
-3 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
lol you posit an explanation that is less plausible (having more "moving parts") and then use Occam as a defense, with, lol, a "prove it" claim. ok buddy. pot kettle black sauce.
3 Basilthebatlord 2016-12-19
Explain what you mean by "moving parts"
2 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
The whole chain of mechanical events that would cause his shirt only to puff out at one spot. Rather than say, some injection of higher pressure that translates via the fluid of air to puff out at a single spot.
9 Basilthebatlord 2016-12-19
The chain of mechanical events resulting from a bullet hitting his back is just basic physics really.
1 SkepticalFaceless 2016-12-19
The air enters the back and goes around his body and up where the air can escape
2 Big_Girl_Luver 2016-12-19
Here.. set to 1/4 speed. I want to read you two going at it.
11 silverdollaflapjacks 2016-12-19
if you watch the video with SOUND, you can hear several shots before he flinches. I love how everyone becomes an expert on video analysis whenever some shit like this happens, and 100% of attacks are false flags.
3 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
yes, true.
who claimed this? strawmansRUs?
6 silverdollaflapjacks 2016-12-19
No one claimed it, I'm just saying there's always a few posts of people who claim to find every false aspect of a video whenever shit like this goes down
3 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-19
I have watched the video with sound. Given the distance between them, I would think that he would flinch with the first shot.
-1 RIGGED_ELECTION 2016-12-19
I'm saying that the SOUND itself sounds like blanks, and you obviously would have been able to hear the shell casings hitting the floor. This video has most likely been doctored.
Holy shit you are retarded if you think this guy's clothes absorbed 9-10 gunshot wounds worth of blood.
17 Rockran 2016-12-19
Which do you think makes more noise - Shells hitting the floor, or footsteps?
Can't hear his footsteps, so I guess he's not really walking around?
The reality is that the noise of him shooting and shouting overwhelms the mic from picking up quieter sounds.
Lying down on a wound applies pressure to it, limiting blood flow.
Were you expecting him to spurt like a fountain and drain his body in 10 seconds flat?
4 98kimm 2016-12-19
Just.... just stop.
29 4esop 2016-12-19
The lack of blood has had me baffled the entire time.
24 Dads_BBQ_Brisket 2016-12-19
A couple things I'm thinking about:
if no artery is struck, there wouldn't be a lot of splatter if at all
could be using hollow points so no wound
thick clothing to absorb blood
falls on his back on his wounds
images are seconds after he falls, not a lot of time to blood to pool out like they are portrayed in Hollywood
19 platinum_peter 2016-12-19
No wounds from hollow points?? Hollow points will cause a bigger wound.
8 Dads_BBQ_Brisket 2016-12-19
exit wound i mean. We never see his entry wound. I know they expand on impact to do maxim internal damage
3 KakashiFNGRL 2016-12-19
If no exit wound, dafuq was his jacket doing at the front? Kinetic displacement from the bullet's impact?
9 twofaceHill_16 2016-12-19
He's got a big ole body to penetrate..
Don't think we have the angle to where the ambassador was lying but photo of dead gunman. I'm amazed by how it was caught on camera like it was and photos realeased right away. A lot different procedure than the US..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0D4G61W8AA_adx.jpg
5 4esop 2016-12-19
I have seen analysis showing explosions near front of chest.. but no blood. And there is a reverse angle shot somewhere too that shows no blood but possibly a casing or 2.
9 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-19
Here's why I think it's a false flag:
Ambassador gets shot 9/10 times, no blood.
Assassin gets shot, blood everywhere? Also, I cannot find any other photos/video of assassin getting shot. Why not? The cameras were already there and in place.
there has to be some blood in the front of his shirt, because of the exit wound. If the shirt wasn't blown open/puffed up because of the bullet, what caused it?
The expressions on their faces reminds me of other false flags. Some are not even looking at the gunman, and some look bored.
But what do I know, I'm just an asshole on the internet.
2 4esop 2016-12-19
Also the fallout from this was predictable. It is driving the Russia and Turkey together, not apart. This means Erdogan and Putin both have motives to be involved in this. They are also the only ones who could have staged it.
3 monsterglock 2016-12-19
You're right its predictable and it drives them together.. let's also consider that 3 days prior to this bad stunt,
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russia-ratifies-bill-on-turkish-stream-gas-pipeline--.aspx?pageID=238&nID=107480&NewsCatID=348
2 KakashiFNGRL 2016-12-19
Who the fuck turns their back to a crazy man with a gun? This is why we invented 'backing up', eyes on the predator, ass aimed the other way, move backwards.
1 Volntyr 2016-12-19
Considering that the gunman was a police officer is maybe the reason why the Ambassador's back was towards him. The police officer was there to protect him, not kill him.
2 KakashiFNGRL 2016-12-19
Well I got that far, I actually meant the bystanders fleeing.
2 wubalubbadub 2016-12-19
I can see the shell casings in the corner of the room where he was originally standing in that last photo
1 98kimm 2016-12-19
Pffft hahahahah they're either sociopaths or reaaaaaaally shitty actors 😂😂😂
4 Fat_Happy_Buddha 2016-12-19
As a gun instructor there are a few things that just look wrong. From least critical to most critical:
1) no blood anywhere near the body after what appear to be numerous shots to the chest.
2) no shell casings to the right of the shooter, between him and the wall.
3 absolutely no smoke anywhere. When I empty a clip, there is smoke because gun powder burns...
So how does one explain these inconsistencies?
28 mattseg 2016-12-19
What gun instructor calls a magazine a clip?
14 Wild_Hunt 2016-12-19
One who's not really one
8 Valhalla1759 2016-12-19
A fucking poser idiot, that's who.
2 Gravitytr1 2016-12-19
I never understood why the gunnuts I met get so butthurt and worked up over the term "clip."
3 mattseg 2016-12-19
Because clips and magazines are entirely different things. It's akin to confusing throttle and fuel line, or noun and adjective, or rue and mirepoix.
They exist in the same world, and are both hold ammo... But their use is very different.
1 Gravitytr1 2016-12-19
What is a clip?
2 mattseg 2016-12-19
A clip (stripper clip is the most common) holds rounds together. It's basically a bent piece of metal, it feeds magazines, it is a non-mechanical devixe. Magazines feed guns. Magazines have a spring, and a follower to keep rounds going into the chamber.
1 Gravitytr1 2016-12-19
thanks!
3 stopdeletingcrap 2016-12-19
Oh really? Then what's this you stupid asshole? http://i.imgur.com/wCFJORt.jpg
If you can't see that blood, get a better monitor that can actually distinguish color. I bet you have a cheap fucking laptop or broken eyeballs that you can't even see it. Doesn't it fucking suck being POOR? It really limits your ability to do research so you end up spreading misinformation and looking like a goddamned fucking lightweight amateur.
I'm so sick of you delusional psychopaths. You're everywhere, yet none of you have the GUTS to be confronted in voice chat. I've challenged hundreds of you. Ventrilo. Mumble. Teamspeak. Skype. Discord. ANYTHING--and you losers just make excuses.
Go install one of them and give me the info. I'm not going to let you psychopaths get away with spreading misinformation and BULLSHIT.
Oops. I found your kryptonite: oral confrontation.
4 celiktele 2016-12-19
NFSW http://imgim.com/img_0499.jpg this could make it go away..
2 4esop 2016-12-19
yeah it's likely this was real as far as the guy actually being shot
2 CptBrandon 2016-12-19
His eyes are staying shut already though?
2 UnwarrantedArrogance 2016-12-19
Sometimes the eyes stay shut, sometimes they don't. You think it don't be like that but it do.
2 CptBrandon 2016-12-19
:O
3 Rangerswill 2016-12-19
Here blood: http://imgim.com/img_0499.jpg
24 MichianaMan 2016-12-19
You've watched to many movies. Real life killing is exactly like this, it isn't a Tarantino movie.
5 RIGGED_ELECTION 2016-12-19
I've seen people get shot, they don't flinch like that, this guy is acting. Watch the youtube video at .25 speed and look at the spot I highlighted in the freeze frame where there is an explosion on his lapel. It's not a bullet exit wound, it's a tiny explosive charge. Open your fucking eyes.
13 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
The calling card of the moron
12 MichianaMan 2016-12-19
I'm a combat veteran of Afghanistan, 13 months, yes they fucking do. I was a MK19 gunner mainly, and carried the M240 dismounted. I know exactly what men look like when they get shot. Just because Alex Jones tells you it's staged or whatever doesn't mean it's gospel.
5 Rockran 2016-12-19
How do they then?
0 [deleted] 2016-12-19
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1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2016-12-19
Rule 10. Removed.
3 Spooky2000 2016-12-19
??
3 MichianaMan 2016-12-19
Oops. I meant Tarantino.
20 NaughtyHealer 2016-12-19
It recently came to light in front of the entire world from courageous journalist Eva Bartlett from Canada, that the people in Syria know that the western media is lying about the situation in Syria and that they want the West (U.S. in particular) to stop arming terrorists that are killing Syrian people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTq3QtDP9Lk
Meanwhile a U.S. ambassador tries to blame Russia for causing all the strife in Syria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PkBant1QA
Next thing we know someone allegedly assassinates a Russian ambassador while shouting accusations (implied towards Russia) about cruelty in Syria.
7 RIGGED_ELECTION 2016-12-19
Yeah, those fucking "White Hats" and the way the terrorists show up right after US airstrikes hit Syrian positions are just wayyyyy too convenient.
-2 AFutureWorldLeader 2016-12-19
Eva Bartlett is a brain dead conspiracy theorisr
4 RIGGED_ELECTION 2016-12-19
Brain dead you say, /u/AFutureWorldLeader?
that post history lmao thanks for the giggle.
1 AFutureWorldLeader 2016-12-19
I honestly feel sad for a conspiracy sop like you. Pointing fingers in the dark and fearing imaginary villains... It's pitiful.
2 westwhat-westworld 2016-12-19
You are
18 Lord_Stag 2016-12-19
https://anonmgur.com/up/b3fdf84b80138002183c591648f9b1f7.png It looks like there is a small puddle forming under his head.
7 rstw 2016-12-19
/thread
9 Just_us_trees_here 2016-12-19
WHY WOULDN'T THEY JUST KILL HIM FOR REAL
These "Fake death" conspiracies are too fucking complicated. What happened to the good old days where nefarious shadow organizations just outright murdered people to get what they want
5 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
Eaxctly! The real conspiracy, if there was one, would be that Russia had him killed (because why wouldn't they instead of faking his death?). But that's not as fun as this horseshit for the idiots
1 Just_us_trees_here 2016-12-19
I think a lot of the "fake death" stuff is a misinterpretation of what false flags and fake narratives are.
The events that take place do not have to be faked. The events that take place can be real so long as they push the false narrative.
But I don't really know much about this situation. I just think all the "faked events" and "crisis actors" stuff is designed to discredit more plausible conspiracy theories.
2 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
I think it's just more fun to try and find these crazy 'holes' in the scenario for these people. It's more exciting for those that do it, and it's more exciting to read when done well, which means more traffic and attention for the creator when it's lapped up by those craving conspiracies.
8 illuminatiman 2016-12-19
Aand no, why fake it when doing the real thing would be easier and cheaper? Rhetorical question btw.
7 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
indeed, great question
7 AwayWeGo112 2016-12-19
No one is mentioning the obvious of how this is not fake:
A fat guy can't hold his breath like that where his whole chest is still after hearing loud noises and falling? Nah, it might have been a set up, but he is dead.
1 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
The more obvious is that if Russia wanted to pretend this guy was killed....well they wouldn't pretend
1 narcoleptik_ninja 2016-12-19
The footage could easily be manipulated just like the 9/11 plane that supposedly went through the wtc.
6 sigmawarrior 2016-12-19
Also, no massive sucking chest wound in the heart area. It would be not safe for 6PM news. Ala R. Budd "Nice Shot Man" Dwyer if you guys remember that shit.
SPEZ: Video, for comparison
2 Preacher_1893 2016-12-19
But how will they cover this up? this isn't some dude from village of Pakistan this is an Ambassador,what will they do? dispose his body with no pictures?
and what about the Trump? isn't it Russia? Why would Trump be following the rich people agenda?
1 sigmawarrior 2016-12-19
If he ain't dead, I'm sure he got a nice life somewhere tropical and an assumed identity, for his trouble.
1 gunsgobangx1x 2016-12-19
there's a pretty good doc about him on youtube made not too long ago. They interview his family and the dude that allegedly offered the bribe. Def recommend
6 ttesla 2016-12-19
I wonder who took this frame? https://sli.mg/5QrzwS
There should be no one there because it is almost the same line with the gunman. May be there is a stationary camera there? ...
Any explanations?
1 MulderxSkully 2016-12-19
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1 KidSwandive 2016-12-19
Then where is the other footage from that angle. I want to see the guy fall. Very conveniently there is no such footage, right?
4 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
Saying
after trying to tell us that you'd intensively analysed this and had a team of experts also do so does not help sell this
3 Spooky2000 2016-12-19
There are definitly empty shells in this picture. And it looks like the spring is coming out of the bottom of the mag. They obviously shot at him a lot from all the holes in the wall, maybe a round hit the mag breaking it.
0 RIGGED_ELECTION 2016-12-19
Yeah I added an edit, I missed those in the bottom right corner. My bad. Whoever shot at him is a really shitty shot to have missed that many times though. I'd also think the holes would be higher up on the wall?
8 ser1992 2016-12-19
What a silly comment. A man was killed and you are making assumptions that the people who killed him (highly trained police team) are "shitty shots" because you see some holes in the wall in places you wouldn't expect them to be? Please just leave the internet.
3 Spooky2000 2016-12-19
He could have been crouching when they were shooting at him.
2 XavierSimmons 2016-12-19
3 RoyalDog214 2016-12-19
It's not a really shitty shot if the person is fucking dead isn't it?
3 XavierSimmons 2016-12-19
I quoted it because there's a 100% chance the commenter doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about.
2 RoyalDog214 2016-12-19
Ah, my mistake!
3 CatacystFPV 2016-12-19
For great justice:
http://pizzagate.wiki/index.php?title=Assassination_of_Russian_Ambassador_to_Turkey
3 Wild_Hunt 2016-12-19
Id be very interested in your "team of experts"
3 utahsaint365 2016-12-19
"team of experts" from the guy who calls himself "rigged_election" muwhahahahahahahahaaha
and then
muwhahahahahahahahahaha
Time to put the Cheese Helmet back on mate.
2 InaccurateLinguist 2016-12-19
The shirt ruffling is a weird one. And his flinching before it.
2 pacman_416 2016-12-19
why fake something? when doing the real job is far easier and better.
2 c0ntact 2016-12-19
STAGED.
2 callmebaiken 2016-12-19
IF it's fake, that would mean the Russian Ambassador was in on it, meaning the likely thing was a ploy by Russia. This would help take the heat off of their recent leveling of Aleppo and make them seem like the victims of terrorism.
2 Gud-04330 2016-12-19
I came here because I googled this event with "fake." This does appear to me as staged simply because the venue was too perfect for a fake event. Cameras to document the event, etc. The shooter was even available to remain in the venue in order to pose for a photoshoot, with the gun raised, and able to deliver his pre-planned dialog. Once "the commoner" realizes that future planned international actions need to "arranged" this sort of thing will happen. For reference: 911, Sandy Hook, WW1, WW2, and on and on.
7 NaturesGirl 2016-12-19
I too googled, and wound up with a link to this post. ambassador assassination faked
It was too convenient. The shooter looked like a 007 wannabe. Cam started out with a close-up. How was the camera person not shot as well? I'm not buying it
Plus, the willingness of so many tv stations to play it was bizarre. Typically, they take great measure to not show this type of footage.
2 pizzalikeus 2016-12-19
You mean perfect for a guy to get his message across and make sure his big finale in life is seen and has maximum effect?
1 otterkin 2016-12-19
he was giving a public speech in a museum, and hes an ambassador. thats why it looks so clean, why theres cameras, and why the gunman is wearing a suit. youre not going to get entrance to something like this wearing jeans and a tshirt
2 Gud-04330 2016-12-19
Yeah, you make valid points. Could be real (ambassador dead).
2 joshthecoopman 2016-12-19
2 HeywoodJablomeh 2016-12-19
Obvi OP just trying to deflect attention because he staged sandy hook, think people
2 qwerty_poiu 2016-12-19
Why wasn't the Ambassador being protected by Russian bodyguards? Turkey would be considered a very high risk posting . At the very least you would expect the gunman to have have been killed by the bodyguard(s)) once the gunman opened fire.
2 AMBIT1ON_ 2016-12-19
Are you gonna propose to me that blood should immediately be flowing as if it is GTA Vice city? He's wearing a full suit, which is stopping the aforementioned fountain of blood. Also, for those familiar with a real murder tape called 3 Guys 1 hammer, it has always interested me why the man being murdered has never bled from his stomach after being repeatedly cut with a screwdriver to the point where u can see holes in his stomach, but no blood. And mind you this video is 100% real. Maybe we do not know the body and the way wounds and injuries occur but rather rely on media and hollywood to portray it to dramatic proportions.
1 WitesOfOdd 2016-12-19
Jesus that sounds fucked up
2 monsterglock 2016-12-19
Id like to mention something I'm not hearing much about: How does the Russian Ambassador land on his back with arms spread out and legs spread out? After being shot from behind consecutively with 9 bullets? Wouldn't the Ambassador be pushed forwards or to the right/his left? Am I wrong in expecting the force of 9 bullets in a row at point blank range would thrust him forwards and knocking over the podium? In the video it looks like he falls straight down and back somehow with all limbs stretched out. Looks very wrong to me. Also you can see his glasses on the floor behind the Ambassador somehow in one of the photos? How does this happen?
1 otterkin 2016-12-19
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5j8i9x/mevlut_mert_altintas_who_assassinated_the_russian/dbe5whw/
1 monsterglock 2016-12-19
I not talking about the blood...
2 Spiritons 2016-12-19
end of the story;
http://imgim.com/img_0499.jpg
2 erdalko 2016-12-19
do you have any idea why assassin straighten the picture on the wall?
http://i.hizliresim.com/Pn07LO.jpg
1 ack43_throway 2016-12-19
It does feel odd to me. Would like to see what other info can be deemed from the video and situation.
1 SjhanTheMajan 2016-12-19
https://imgur.com/gallery/p4hvk
1 gringodude50 2016-12-19
Everyone...I'm not one for jumping to conclusions about conspiracy but this thing seemed fake. No blood, the setting, the shooter, even the way it was video taped. Was there even an audience at the gallery?
1 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-19
Why is there no video of the assassin getting shot? Obviously the camera was still recording as he was shouting. So did someone switch off the camera and then shoot the gunman? If so, why?
1 NaturesGirl 2016-12-19
I agree 100% with you. It very much appeared to be staged and poorly faked.
1 SoughtAfterVII 2016-12-19
Was the shooter not behind him? If he was not on the chest side of the target that would indicate that his clothes moving on his front side would be from an exit wound. If there is an exit wound it is extremely unlikely that there would be no blood or bits of his body strewn about
2 XavierSimmons 2016-12-19
He was behind and to the Ambassador's right. The shooter appears to have shot him multiple times, including once that penetrated his shoulder, and once that probably struck him in the back of the head.
Fat Ambassador, in a highly charged situation, doesn't move his chest for a full minute after falling to the ground. Dude is dead.
1 SoughtAfterVII 2016-12-19
It's just odd. Only thing I can think of is he didn't have a back on the vest or the shots got snuck in through the side. That would explain. Why the front of his shirt moved with no blood.
Went thru body. Hit vest. Vest hit shirt
1 Skittle2314 2016-12-19
Even the moon landing back in the 70's was more believable than this....
1 miroozy 2016-12-19
and how can you shoot someone from behind multiple shots..and he drops down on his back ? wtf
1 Young_Star_Adept 2016-12-19
It is a weird set up but let's look at both sides:
For: * Camera set up, especially the one next to him. * Lack of blood anywhere to be seen * The room itself is "awkward" or not very convincing. * The flinching of that one guy * No blood absorbed to be seen on white shirt * No other public photos or video of the deceased (not really too suspicious) * Very clean kill * Very clean everything! *The odd fall and the jumping of the collar
Against: * No movement of the shot (who's weight would be a strain) * The shot individual is not an actor * Weight can absorb small bullets
Now I personally think he is dead, but he was set up to die, meaning the entire things feels and is awkward because it was a set up not by just the shooter to kill the ambassador but others who support the shooters agenda. It was very clean, documented and a professional assassination which involved multiple individuals.
The collar thing I think is due to the shirt being pulled by one of the bullets.
If he didn't die and was able to not move like that with that weight, props! Though the dark shadow under his head does appear to be something like fresh blood.
Either way, I think multiple people were involved and that also explains why the gun man was able to even to give their message. The shooter was a scale goat for some agenda.
Well planned assassination with the area, timing etc. not just some cop could have killed him in this fashion. Almost... Artistic.... Which is ironic with it being done in a gallery... Or intential...
1 vpsj 2016-12-19
Even I thought this entire scandal seemed a bit off, and hence got to this post by googling "was the assassination fake". Another thing I noticed was that he seemed to hold his stomach/abdomen while he was shot, even though he was being shot at from behind (with no visible exit wound). Also, if someone shoots me on the back, I think I would fall on my face, rather than on my back. Thoughts?
1 otterkin 2016-12-19
if you get shot in the back you fall backwards
1 Mirskyc 2016-12-19
1 Kargak 2016-12-19
So basically you're saying, these guys faked an assassination. Spent countless hours, manpower, money to make it convincing but failed to do so because they couldn't afford some fake blood?
RIGGED_ELECTION: Hurrr Durr!!! There is not enough blood, so no one died! Can't imagine what your claim was after all the explosions.
RIGGED_ELECTION: Hurrr Durrr!!! There are no bodies, so nothing happened at all!
How about getting into an IQ test before posting?
1 celiktele 2016-12-19
Blood : http://imgim.com/img_0499.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0D4G61W8AA_adx.jpg Situation about assassin: His legs are shot couple of times by the police to get him alive but he insisted on fighting. When he tried to get something from his pocket police though of explodes and killed him. That was probably the magazine and it was shot also.
1 the_amazing_mc 2016-12-19
m8 u r an retard u r so stupid and u r dum and u suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD ur an dummy get got motherfucker
0 IHeartFemanons 2016-12-19
I can't see any bullet shells on the floor.
7 Spooky2000 2016-12-19
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/gunman-Turkey-761939.jpg
You can see the shells on the floor in this pic.
6 Juan__Lennon 2016-12-19
"Here, let me just straighten this picture real quick..."
-2 Camel729 2016-12-19
You guys suck it's obviously real get a job
16 Basilthebatlord 2016-12-19
Yes, he flinches before he was hit because the gun fired twice before the third bullet hit his back.
It's blown open by the force of the bullet hitting his body.. Not some wind/gas.
5 4esop 2016-12-19
I have seen analysis showing explosions near front of chest.. but no blood. And there is a reverse angle shot somewhere too that shows no blood but possibly a casing or 2.
11 silverdollaflapjacks 2016-12-19
if you watch the video with SOUND, you can hear several shots before he flinches. I love how everyone becomes an expert on video analysis whenever some shit like this happens, and 100% of attacks are false flags.
1 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-19
Why is there no video of the assassin getting shot? Obviously the camera was still recording as he was shouting. So did someone switch off the camera and then shoot the gunman? If so, why?
14 Wild_Hunt 2016-12-19
One who's not really one
8 Valhalla1759 2016-12-19
A fucking poser idiot, that's who.
3 KakashiFNGRL 2016-12-19
If no exit wound, dafuq was his jacket doing at the front? Kinetic displacement from the bullet's impact?
2 Gravitytr1 2016-12-19
I never understood why the gunnuts I met get so butthurt and worked up over the term "clip."
2 KakashiFNGRL 2016-12-19
Well I got that far, I actually meant the bystanders fleeing.