To be fair most of this sub saw that they both sucked

Thank you. I fear this may be the case. People don't want to believe their idol (HRC or Trump) has been lying to them all along. But the fact of the matter is, you don't get to Trump's position without being vetted by the establishment. Whether that's to carry on their orders as set up by previous administrations or to be the scapegoat for imminent disaster, or both. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst case scenario.

People playing the partisan blame game are still missing the point. The longer the left/right division continues, the less of a chance we have of banding together to advocate for TRUE human rights. People underestimate the power we have when united. People are jaded and have forgotten the human capacity - no, the human hunger - for justice and righteousness, for real freedom. We've been told and treated like we're too stupid to make our own choices as citizens, as voters, as consumers, as democrats, as republicans, as independents, as blacks, as whites, as hispanics, as men, as women, as the "gender fluid." The narrative is pre-set to divide us, and people play right into it. We need to wake the fuck up.

I agree that there is a possibility that Trump is also playing us.

But there is likewise a possibility that he is playing the establishment.

Let's give the man a chance. He may be playing 8D chess while the rest of us are still in 3D. He hasn't even taken office yet; see what plays out.

You give this sub too much credit. It saw Hillary was corrupt and left trump alone just because she was so vile. But it was infested with ctr and the Donald. They are both irrelevant now but it's still leaning pro trump.

i dislike em both.
But rather have a loos cannon ( what trump seems like ) in office.
Then a corrupt evile piece of shit hillary.
Not cus i trust trump.
But at least whit trump there is a small chance things might change.

I agree and he didn't like Iraq which is good

Trump said all the things to gain support from people fed up with the system, but notice he said absolutely nothing about the Federal Reserve

He explicitly said he’d like to return to the gold standard. Pay better attention.

A gold standard would actually be even worse than the system we have now. It would further concentrate power for the large holders of gold (banks), and allow them to cause depressions by taking gold out of circulation.

A gold standard would actually be even worse than the system we have now.

Not even remotely close.

It would further concentrate power for the large holders of gold (banks)

That’s why you don’t let private banks exist.

Yes, it would. Do you know anything about the history of the US? The revolution happened because Britain demanded taxation to be payable only in gold, essentially making American scrip worthless. Lincoln created the greenback, a debtless government printed currency to fund the civil war without going hugely in debt to European-tied financiers. In the late 1800's British bankers bribed congress to remove the silver-standard, why? Because the banks had all the gold, it solidified their economic control and caused major depressions in the states due to bankers tightening the money supply. For over a century Britain covertly tried to force the US into the gold standard, why? Because Britain had a fuckload of gold and could use it to influence the States. A interest-free, government printed (not private central bank) currency would completely take away power from foreign financiers. It was advocated by the likes of Lincoln and Garfield and is what got them killed.

I thought the gold standard might be the answer for a long time, too. But its not because gold is even more concentrated in the hands of the elite few. The answer is the abolishment of fractional reserve banking and the bond market, and interest-free money created under the control of congress, not private central banks.

This is true.

Yes, it would.

Not an argument. All of history disagrees with you.

A interest-free, government printed (not private central bank) currency

So... the fucking gold standard run by the constitutionally mandated GOVERNMENT-OWNED central bank. Yep.

money created

This is why I can’t take you seriously; you know fuck all about economics.

Nobody reading your comment can take you seriously if you resort to emotional insults and personal attacks instead of reasoned debates. Relax and present your information wisely.

Nobody reading your comment can take you seriously if you resort to emotional insults and personal attacks instead of reasoned debates.

Right. Which is why I didn’t do that. I stated fact and made no personal attacks.

Relax and present your information wisely.

Did. Read.

Yes, I've seen that video multiple times, it has some valid points. The problem is that it's made by a guy.. who's trying to sell you gold

You should watch this far superior video. You might realize that history is on my side, even before they were fighting bond-printing private Central banks, the founding fathers were fighting the gold standard. Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the American Banking Association used the gold standard to exert economic control over America by constricting the gold supply (they owned most of the gold.. how many times do I have to repeat this?) resulting in bankruptcy and foreclosure, allowing them to buy businesses and vast swathes of land for pennies on the dollar.

American Banking Association

Oh, hey, look at that, a PRIVATE BANK. Seems there’s a unifying thread in all these problems, isn’t there? Gold standard “fails”? Private bank. Fiat fails (well, it’s fucking fiat; of course it will fail)? Private bank.

Maybe we ought to be looking into who owns these banks...

True.

Returning to a gold standard is how presidents get assassinated. Every assassinated president we have tried to screw with the big banks.

Follow the money.

This comment always applies, everywhere. Upvoted.

Not enough upvotes. Have mine.

I agree with you /u/milipedecult, the Business Class bamboozled us all by using Willie Lynch tactics through the MSM. We truly lost on both sides in 2016.

Most here don't even know what Willie Lynch tactics are because they don't read.

Actually some of those polls were accurate, the problem was that they weighed the national vote, which doesn't matter at the end of the day when it comes to the Electoral College. But with that being said, they did want to be discredited when they talk about Trump for an hour and then turned around and only talked about Sanders for 20 seconds.

Yep, I remember reading after every debate that had an opinion piece be the headliner saying that HRC won the debate, but when you actually looked at the polling on the sides of the website, you should see that the polling indicated that people thought that Sanders had won.

Astounding evidence you've presented here

Pro tip: When looking for legitimate discussion, try not to pass your baseless opinions off as facts, and perhaps show an openness to dialogue. But most importantly, provide some evidence to go with your assertions, otherwise you're more likely to get snarky comments like mine than the actual discussion you may be looking for.

Just a thought.

You broke your own rule though, ie "show an openness to dialogue", which makes you a hypocrite.

I didn't make a post "meant for a discussion" as you did. Showing an openness to dialogue isn't a rule of mine, it's what you said you were trying to accomplish with your original post, so yea hypocrite doesn't really fit here but oh well.

Why would I engage dialogue with a snarky comment? Would you not expect a snarky comment in return?

Nobody said you had to. I already admitted my comment was snarky, so obviously I wasn't seeking a discussion with you, just giving advice.

The delivery on the joke was pretty terrible too. South Park smug video? What are you 8?

Yea, you got me good lol

Considering that MSM credibility was the first casualty of Trump's rise, I have to disagree that Trump colluded with Clinton (though I confess subscribing to that theory last year)

Agreed. I was EXTREMELY skeptical about Trump until shortly before the election. As shocked as I am, I think that he managed to play the establishment and now they are out for blood. The continuous stream of threads like this one feels like more of the same professional manipulation and FUD. Not because of the topics and ideas being discussed, but because of the familiar onslaught of dishonest debate tactics. For example, trying to disguise personal opinion as objective fact.

The OP gets it.

I strongly suspect you are correct. The parallels between Trump's and Obama's first campaign were marked: Both exploited populist sentiment to win. Obama did nothing. Only time will tell us what Trump will do. If Trump maintains the status quo, I would hope that the public finally realizes that no sugnificant change can be achieved with an election.

What really needs to happen is that 1. people stop waiting and relying on some political figure to change the status quo, 2. people grow up and stop fighting, which requires the humility to acknowledge that they each got played bad, and 3. the "good" people in all sides need to grow some fucking balls and get it together and collectively advocate for truth and transparency and accountability. This last thing is the most difficult but the most desperately needed at this stage.

...people grow up and stop fighting, which requires the humility to acknowledge that they each got played bad

Precisely. I imagine that one of the goals of Trump's victory was to promote further division. And it worked brilliantly. Conservatism/liberalism is just rhethoric that the puppets spout for the masses while they do the bidding of the elite.

"Trump said all the things to gain support from people fed up with the system, but notice he said absolutely nothing about the Federal Reserve or government surveillance."

To play devil's advocate, Trump likely knows that if he crosses the line too much, he could end up like JFK.

Yeah well, at least it will be different for the next 4 years.

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...people grow up and stop fighting, which requires the humility to acknowledge that they each got played bad

Precisely. I imagine that one of the goals of Trump's victory was to promote further division. And it worked brilliantly. Conservatism/liberalism is just rhethoric that the puppets spout for the masses while they do the bidding of the elite.