My Dad became a flat earther and I can't stand it anymore, can anyone help me prove him wrong?

11  2016-12-24 by [deleted]

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Lots of gaslighting going on in this sub these days.

If the Earth was flat wouldn't all the water just either flow off the sides, or soak through the bottom and drip away? What makes the tides move in time with the moon? What stops anyone with a plane from just flying off the side into space?

I was a software engineer for map quest, none of my algorithms would work if the world was flat. Every formula was based on an elliptical value. Tell your dad I am a conspiracy theorist but this isn't one of them.

i am surprised this is the 2nd most upvoted comment ...

if you look at the material, its quite convincing

the jesuits have been running the education for 500 years too

" he has far more complex points than that I cant remember that are hard to contest."

  • maybe he is right?

Where's the edge of the earth ?

south poll / ice wall. it might initially sound silly yet think where do scientists thing the edge of space is? what would you expect an edge of the earth to look like?

there is people living inside the earth too maybe!

the edge of space is the firmament possibly the van allan belt ... the one famously nasa cannot get past with humans

RESEARCH FLAT EARTH **


(** just kidding, but it is more intersting that what i was anticipating)

where do scientists thing the edge of space is? what would you expect an edge of the earth to look like?

but the "distances" involved makes correct observation far more difficult for one than the other

i dont disagree

yet does science know if space is infinite? if not what is the edge like

just trying to convey , the thought alone 'what would you expect an edge of earth to look like' is a fairly unorthodox question

Where's the edge of the universe?
We have no problem accepting 'infinity' because it's conventional wisdom. Even though no one can truly grasp the concept.
Similarly, we accept that the universe originated from a 'big bang'. But we have no concept of what existed before this, how it occurred or it's origins.
Failure to provide explanations for the flat earth model are equally missing.

We can only make observations and record data.

the jesuits have been running the education for 500 years too

And erastosthenes PROVED the earth was round thousands of years before that.

Eratosthenes' Calculation of Earth's Circumference maths based on the shadow analysis would also work out identical if they sun were SMALLER AND CLOSER, like under a flat earth model

coincidental isn't it

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merry xmas to you too

the source of my comment :

"Eratosthenes' Calculation of Earth's Circumference maths based on the shadow analysis would also work out identical if they sun were SMALLER AND CLOSER"

was the youtube video: 'Is Earth Actually Flat?' with 12 million views. The video is more of a 'debunking'' or discussion video, as opposed to attemping to proof FE, so is not bias in that respect and is probable accurate

Dude, it does not matter one bit how many views your YouTube video has, it's completely irrelevant. And citing a YouTube video about a calculation that you cannot perform yourself to criticise completely accepted science is just foolish. The flat earth theory is a non starter and a complete waste of time and thought.

foolish, quite,


Day after day, alone on the hill The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still But nobody wants to know him They can see that he's just a fool And he never gives an answer

But the fool on the hill Sees the sun going down And the eyes in his head See the world spinning around

Well on the way, head in a cloud The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud But nobody ever hears him Or the sound he appears to make And he never seems to notice


;)

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Slandering science?
Science isn't an opinion.
We make observations and record data.
Out of which we attempt to understand reality as we experience it.

Science is not a concrete, unchanging mantra.
It is an ever-changing representation of what humanity is able to verify to a satisfactory degree.
Even the most solid of scientific laws are just foundations built upon what we've observed so far.
No thing can ever be known to be true. It can only be observed to be consistent for as long as it has been recorded.

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I agree with your hypothesis.

Smaller and Closer... and still a spherical Earth. Yes you could do these calculations on other spheres. Did you pass 5th grade math? When you figured out how to find the area of triangles and squares and whatnot? And how it worked regardless of how big the shapes were as long as you used the same formula?

You have a cave man level of scientific knowledge, yet you parade around like a genius. Ridiculous.

yes, if they sun were less than 149.6 million km away ...

and of a smaller size

its possible the maths would still be accurate

are you just being a general troll or can you argue this claim is incorrect

again, the source of this claim was more a 'debunking' analysis rather than a flat earth one, are you very good at maths/

he source of my comment : "Eratosthenes' Calculation of Earth's Circumference maths based on the shadow analysis would also work out identical if they sun were SMALLER AND CLOSER" was the youtube video: 'Is Earth Actually Flat?' with 12 million views. The video is more of a 'debunking'' or discussion video, as opposed to attemping to proof FE, so is not bias in that respect and is probable accurate

Landmarks visible when they should not be due to curvature of the earth.

Curvature of the earth.

I have a very hard time making sense of this too.
Everything I've ever been taught reinforces that we live on a globe. But I've never once been shown an experiment that proves this.
I stumbled onto this insanity thinking it was just that. But there seems to be much more experimental evidence to support this theory than what we've grew up with as 'fact'.
I have no idea what to think now.
But the deeper I look, and more evidence I uncover, the more unsure I am of everything I thought I knew.

I found this to be a common sense approach.
Save this Engineer from becoming a Flat Earther.

yeah the maths doesnt add up ...

yet people get angry and aggressive "kill everyone that says such things ?!?!"

What math?

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial

http://www.smokescreendesign.com/images/earth-curve-calcuation.jpg

"The Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of 7.98 inches per mile or approximately 8 inches per mile."

you can still see things, mathematically you shouldn't ...

You are aware that lighthouses reflect light further than you can physically see the lighthouse

I was thinking non lighthouse examples

How many have you seen?

Are you aware the earth is a massive ball that is not a perfect sphere?

pear shaped apparently

:: edit, source, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOE4Ar0Dfo

Wait how? If flat earth is a thing? I can watch Jupiter almost every night. And it will change its position through out the years. I have a telescope. And I watch the Galileo moons (?) orbit around Jupiter nightly, sometimes hourly. I can track the space station and it's really freaking amazing to see( I dare you to track it and watch it for yourself in real life). It looks like a UFO, and predict when it will come around again all based on orbital predictions.

Simply because the earth is a massive land in comparison to us. Does not mean it is a perfect sphere. On this matter of mass in the shape of a sphere orbiting other spheres does not mean it is a perfect sphere down to miles of distance being completely accurate and areas that are not sphereical that exist. Just study any rocky planet besides the obvious gas giants to realize this fact. There is no evidence the earth is flat.

do you watch the planets in your telescope ever ?

Yes

They look cool dont they

So is the earth flat and every other planet a sphere? Do the other planets orbit around the flat earth?

i dunno man, i am not a 'FE-er' nor do i have a good knowledge of their theories ... just think that it is a sort of interesting subject

when you look at the planets with a telescope the change color and flicker... why is that my scientific friend ?

What? What changes color and flickers? Are you talking about your computer screen?

Only stars twinkle because they are far enough away that the light waves join together mathematically to form a larger sequential wave of the same light source.

Planets don't 'flicker'. I have never seen Saturn flicker or mars flicker. Stars twinkle yes.

You should look into the concave earth theory and bendy light. Wildheretic.com has a bunch of good info on it. Also look up the rectilineator experiment. It was an experiment done in the late 1800s that concluded the earth actually curves up concavely instead of convexly. Scientism refuses to reproduce this experiment, why?

Scientism refuses to reproduce this experiment, why?

maybe becoz they can't!

With all the funding they get nowadays I highly doubt that. It wasn't that complicated of an experiment..

The chart on that link says:

"curvature 1 mile = 8 inches"

"curvature 2 miles = 32 inches" WUT?!

"curvature 3 miles = 64 inches" ..... Of course, IF 2 miles = 32" ... BUT how come 1 mile is only 8 inches?

BUT 3x8=24 as we all know!, not 300% moah than that!

this guy cant even do his 8 x tables! I'm not worryied about the opinion of anyone who can't see that!

I am not a flat earther by any means. However, I can admit some of the evidence is intriguing and worth a look at the very least.

I have a couple pics I took that I can share. I took these at 12:30pm a couple weeks ago, in the first is the moon, in the second is the sun. I stood in the same place and faced the same direction to take the pics. The extent of my movement was turning my head from the right, to the left. Meaning the sun and moon were both visible and on the same side of earth.

My question is; how can the moon have a shadow when the sun isn't behind the earth to cast the shadow? I'm genuinely curious and welcome any explanations. Also, the moon finally disappeared from the sky around 1pm, but was back in the sky a mere 5 hours later. How does that work?

I have a video as well to show that the photos aren't faked and that all I did was pan right to left but I can't get it to upload. I will keep trying and will edit this comment if I get it to work.

Again, I am not a flat earther, but I'm definitely a little puzzled and welcome any opinion from those smarter than I on the topic.

http://imgur.com/TnIkbnt

http://imgur.com/epNE4NO

You're not seeing the shadow of the Earth. The "shadow" is the dark side of the moon.

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remember, everything in science is a theory

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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i hate to say it but it seems like there is a lot of 'FE proof' ...

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do people think the world looks like this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AnkxnwhN0HA/UmZmYHjFs5I/AAAAAAAAANg/jMGuJ-fdgQQ/s1600/geoid-c2.jpg

it looks a bit silly ...

it looks a bit silly ...

how does it look if it's "flat"?

remember, everything in science is a theory

No, many things "in science" are 'Laws', physical Laws that everything 'obeys' (at a macro level on this planet, at least)

"instant refusal"

you mean enormous evidence vs. flimsy garbage, makes it seems like I'm instantly discounting you when really it's solid facts.

Try the ancient Greek method of ships on the horizon. It's relies on easy common sense. The flat earth wiki has some nonsense about angular limits of perception. But if you actually observe a ship on the horizon as it is coming towards you, you can see it gradually appearing over the horizon over the curvature.

if you watch the ship via a telescope it doesnt go over the horizon

(assuming you are watching a ship leave port) you can continue to see if again, after it goes away ...

factors like perspective, atmosphere

(apparently ;) )

Why don't you actually do it before lying about it.

why should i? I am currently content to do some light reading on the topic rather than personally invest in a telescope. Maybe next year

it cannot be lying, if i say 'apparently' which indicates i am paraphrasing another source outside my own

go do the experiment and report back with the results young sir robin

I can't believe you need help, there is literally so much information debunking this retarded bullshit. The most interesting thing is there are experiments normal people can do to mathematically prove the Earth is not flat, like Eratosthenes of Cyrene did.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/7-diy-experiments-b-o-b-the-earth-is-round/

Yeah and how do you plan to win this one? This is like telling someone you seen big foot and he's real. Lots of a pictures of bigfoot and foot prints etc etc... still its a never ending battle of belief until you both are standing in front of big foot. Who is right and who is wrong? Neither of you till your both in a space rocket leaving orbit to look back and find out for yourselves

I can't believe how many people believe in flat earth.

Next time you and your dad discuss this. Make sure you track the next time you can see the space station where you live.

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/

That's the website. It will tell you where you can see the space station fly over you. It's really cool to watch looks like a ufo. You can see it a few times a day I think. And when your dad sees this UFO thing that flies across the sky you can ask him what it is, and how you would know where it would be. And when you see it fly over the second time you can say how would this object orbit a flat earth. Or more so, simply asking him what it is

While you are on that site go to computer settings and change the time or date watch and see how you can change its location at will.

Wow .. look at all that hearsay ...

Life is too damned short! Sit down and watch a bit of it with him. The worst that could happen is a conversation where you both agree to disagree.

Everything seems so glitchy about Antarctica right now! It might not matter what any of us were taught in school!

If some Aliens are getting ready to pounce or our Global Leaders are cooking up some serious shit to unleash at some future date, it might be more logical that Antarctica is the outer band and it will come from all around, all at once.

It never hurts to exercise the old noggin and often times, if we allow ourselves to look at things in new ways, we discover more about ourselves and those around us.

It isn't worth blowing a fuse over!

Would love to know how both of you approach 9/11...if you don't mind sharing?!

Even better yet to twist your mind go watch iss earth viewing experiment and click on the live tracker option.

Then go to setting on your computer and change the time day or whatever and see how it moves it should not move at all from where it was but it does can anyone explain how a live stream can change location because you changed the time on your computer. There is something wrong here.

The website is ustream.tv has live streams from all over the planet iss is the only one supossedly off planet.

Tell your father about polar nights.

A polar night occurs when the night lasts for more than 24 hours. This occurs only inside the polar circles.The opposite phenomenon, the polar day, or midnight sun, occurs when the Sun stays above the horizon for more than 24 hours. "Night" is understood as the center of the Sun being below a free horizon. Since the atmosphere bends the rays of the Sun, the polar day is longer than the polar night, and the area that is affected by polar night is somewhat smaller than the area of midnight sun. The polar circle is located at a latitude between these two areas, at the latitude of approximately 66.5 degrees. In the most northern city of Sweden, Kiruna, at 67°51'N, the polar night lasts for around 28 twenty-four-hour periods, while the midnight sun lasts around 50 twenty-four-hour periods.

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This disproves the flat earth theory.

Chicago skyline is a good example the news writes it off as a hologram or mirage which is bs

Space station and all flight paths make more sence if you look at a flat earth map or the united nations logo pretty wierd stuff even though airlines say they fky nonstop that flight never happens do some research of your own like i am i am looking for a calm lake were i can see 80 or 100 miles across set up posts on both sides and see what happens i have to see and do the math to disprove this myself i dont believe everything i read. I have to see it.

Your dad should take a high school level physics class.

Iss is not far enough away from earth to take that photo.

Doesn't a picture of Earth from a satellite or the moon landing totally destroy this?

but the moon is a hologram / we were never there, satellites are actually angels helping wireless networks maintain profit margins.

moon landing looks kind of fake ...

But satellites and photos from the ISS? what about Chris kelly Instagram from the ISS looking at Earth?

All fake and they're all in on it? What's the gain of saying Earth is round when it flat?

Okay, what about the photos from the fucking inside of the ISS?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BC3AFKbNjlS/?taken-by=colchrishadfield&hl=en

they can fake photos bro

Sooo many different parties all putting so much effort in to pretending to be in space and then generating fake images. Oh and fuck math and physics too right?

they problem is a lot of the math / physics led to it being ... flat


" It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle

They have this crazy tech and have been caught using it look on youtube about fake iss i am not going to link all the shit you people are to lazy to look up your selves great question though

It a advanced green screen but its blue with a grid on it.

Yes, do you know how that photo was taken? Maybe by a resupply shuttle?

No there is no true picture of earth from space it is a compile of thousands of photos. Google earth admits this oh yeah on google maps where is the north pole scroll up and see for yourself.

But satellites and photos from the ISS? what about Chris kelly Instagram from the ISS looking at Earth?

All fake and they're all in on it? What's the gain of saying Earth is round when it flat?

why should i? I am currently content to do some light reading on the topic rather than personally invest in a telescope. Maybe next year

it cannot be lying, if i say 'apparently' which indicates i am paraphrasing another source outside my own

go do the experiment and report back with the results young sir robin