Well, my take on this is that we've also been lied to about the meaning of religious texts, obscuring the metaphorical meanings by only indulging in the literal storyline.

There's a theory of consciousness I've recently stumbled across, that proposes that back in the day, before self-awareness arose via language and abstract concepts, that we perceived our inner unconscious programming as commanding voices in out minds. The show Westworld is heavily based on that theory of the so-called bicameral mind.

If this theory holds true, and I think it does, it would give godly powers to our own individual and collective unconscious minds, and offers a new viewpoint to understand so-called enlightened beings like Jesus, Hermes or the Buddha for instance. All they've done is reach within to find the voice of God within them.

Jesus said that heaven is in all of us. I interpret that as divine imagination, constructive creativity, and compassion. I believe to be in tune with oneself is to be in tune with the divine force, or God or Brahma, or whatever you may call the infinite creative potential of all things.

I think the widespread realization of our own divinity as well as the divinity of all things surrounding us, is what was prophesied by the second coming of Christ. Not an enlightened individual leading the way, but an enlightened, empowered collective.

In the end, most literal rules in the Bible can be seen as food for thought, mostly irrelevant to our times, but the underlying themes of compassion, healing, clarity, courage, sacrifice and faith in oneself should not be overlooked.

Amazing. I've basically come to the same conclusion as you. I didn't hit me until I read the high level insider threads, which he basically eluded to exactly what you said here.

That is where I picked up on the concept as well, after a long stretch of spiritual confusion and uncertainty.

Whether or not this anon was actually what he claimed to be is even beside the point for me too, but much of what he brought to the table has stirred new insight and also new optimism in me that was duely needed.

Im sure we're all just beginning to understand what this God within us is capable of, but I'm excited to see this unfold, within me and within others. It's certainly a powerful concept.

It's awesome that you say that because reading through those threads literally reshaped my view on everything. I was a staunch atheist before for many years. Now I have a new rabbit hole to go down. I am definitely going to pick up the one book he recommended - origin of the conscious bicameral mind.

The Origin Of Consciousness in the Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes. I'm on page 106 at the moment and have thoroughly enjoyed what I've read so far.

Good luck on your journey my friend, it's always nice to hear others share a similar path.

Ordering it from Amazon right now. This book seems right up my alley.

the high level insider threads

where can i view these?

https://yuki.la/pol/80955827

Scroll down, there's links to all 6 threads somewhere in there.

The problem is, most of the people I think OP is talking about are not nearly as enlightened as you seem to be, and are still getting hung up on the literal stories.

Bicameral mind though... holy shit is that an interesting concept. Thanks for sharing!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

High level insider would agree. Heaven is a mental state. The kingdom of heaven is within you. The big conspiracy is that we live in a world that laughs at the Bible when in reality - we are foolish to do so - and manipulated to think such a lie. Meditate in silence and you will find the voice of God. "He who has ears let him hear."

No one gives a shit what a LARPing retard on 4chan says.

I've noticed many of you trolls have your vote count hidden.

Almost as though it’s automatically hidden for a half hour after posting for the purpose of preventing brigades or something...

Not an argument.

Are you trying to argue with me?

You folks are so stupid.

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Some people want to destroy your thoughts. Brush them off.

This is why I keep my thoughts to myself.

Check out the Law of One

Session 13 And also https://youtu.be/vTEnAfHJlLo

Hey brother. You very nicely articulated exactly the thoughts I've previously struggled to explain. Thank you, I watched this video recently, this guy provides a detailed account of his profoundly real experience connecting with higher consciousness, he was firmly a material reductionist beforehand.. his book went to #1 on the NY bestseller & it was translated into 46 languages... it definitely strikes a cord.

https://youtu.be/qbkgj5J91hE

Yes! I've watched this exact presentation not even a week ago and found it very compelling.

The series The OA also attempts to touch on some of the mentioned aspects of this strange afterlife so often reported after NDEs. It's not earth-shattering but thought-provoking no doubt.

And I just marathoned this the other night! It was so beautiful.

that we perceived our inner unconscious programming as commanding voices in out minds

This still happens. See also: Every person who imagines they've "heard the voice of god."

Yes, as well as paranoid schizophrenics, deep meditators, psychonauts and people with specific kinds of head injury. Oh and, many generally healthy children as well.

Hearing voices other than your own conscious inner monolog is indeed still quite prevalent, and many still accept their unquestioned authority upon hearing their commands. Of course, these voices (or inner programs, subconscious conclusions, etc...) need not be benevolent, so if one finds oneself confronted with such a hallucination, discernment and a healthy dose of skepticism is duly advised.

Jesus didn't say anything. He is a myth. The Romans were notorious record keepers. From military sullied to conversations. There would be Roman record if such a man existed.

Perhaps. I agree with Ronald Lindsay's view on this:

“For the objective historian, he will always remain a shadowy figure, with little substantive biographical content. On the one hand, we have many who will take things on faith, accepting some subset of the stories as unquestionably true. On the other hand, there are those who insist that Jesus is an invented figure, a myth or a hoax. I think both of these extremes are almost equally implausible.”

"Almost" but not quite. A magic zombie existed 2k years ago and no one at the time thought to write a word down. Heal lepers? Told them to wash. Loaves for fishes. .. traded a fisherman for some bread. Water into wine? Made swish. I will take logic and reason over myth and superstition every time.

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Josephus Flavius the jew slave brought back with the conquering generals was the first Roman record of Jesus. A reworded myth from prehistory. Horus in Egyptian myth born on Dec 25th to a virgin. Mythra from the presume myths. .. born on Dec 25th to a virgin. Weird eh?

And telling me to fuck of isn't very "christian" you hypocrite.

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Right. I not sane because I don't wrap myself in a fallacy defused as a myth and bought by morons.

The asses that fill the pews have a far different take on it than do learned theologians.

You gotta cool your tits there. You cone across like some sort of religious nutbar

Right. I not sane because I don't wrap myself in a fallacy defused as a myth and bought by morons.

The asses that fill the pews have a far different take on it than do learned theologians.

You gotta cool your tits there. You come across like some sort of religious nutbar

I not sane because I don’t wrap myself in a fallacy defused as a myth and bought by moron

Nope, but if you had read the post you’d know that’s not what is being discussed. We’re discussing strawmen.

You gotta cool your tits there.

Stop shitposting and you’ll get a better response.

Hmm. Did Santa not bring you the toy you wanted? I was responding to the op and you piped in. In an rather angry fashion. Just because I deny your myths is no reason to be such a wander about all this.

The reason people quote the bible is because they feel it will give their opinion some credence. When in fact to any logical self thinker it does the opposite

String the known origins of the bible myth is not ahitposting... . I think you just learned a new term and may be using it wrong.

Just because I deny your myths

Stop shitposting and you’ll get a better response.

The reason people quote the bible is because they feel it will give their opinion some credence.

Nope.

When in fact to any logical self thinker it does the opposite

Thanks for admitting to not being logical, as you think quoting a given source makes you more right than if you don’t.

String the known origins of the bible myth is not ahitposting

Your falsified bullshit, however, is.

Wow. You seem to have some really strong beliefs based on absolutely no evidence. And you are a fucking rude asshole about it too. Cool. Jeebus would be proud of you. This is a good ecample of my issue with your type... you are as phony as anyone and think you have a show in to some magical kingdom when you die.

You are an embarrassment to humanity. Hypocritical Christians are some of the worst hypocrites

And blanket denial is not debate. It is schoolyard banter. You are the one that has zero evidence to your beliefs not me.

You seem to have some really strong beliefs based on absolutely no evidence

lol, that’s you.

And you are a fucking rude asshole about it too.

Why should liars be treated with respect?

my issue with your type... you are as phony as anyone

LOL MY STRAWMAN ISN’T REALITY SO YOU’RE ALL BAD BECAUSE OF IT WOW I’M SO SANCTIMONIOUS

Try harder, kid.

You are an embarrassment to humanity.

irony

Hypocritical Christians

You mean zionist “Christians”. You don’t have a clue what hypocrisy is vis a vis the discussion we’ve been having.

And blanket denial is not debate.

That’s right; so stop saying God doesn’t exist.

You are the one that has zero evidence to your beliefs not me.

Already proven to you, dude. Try to keep up.

Wow you are as stupid as you are deluded. The onus of proof is on the one making the claim. You are the one believing in these fantasies therefore the proof is on you.

I stated the first historical mention of your beloved Jeebus and I am correct. Feel free to add something to a conversation other than blanket denial. But you can't because there isn't any.

Future man is atheist. Get over it.

Your style of argument is exactly like those flat earth cunts too... the little quotes and adding questions. Never providing and source or backing for your opposition. Just on score you fail.

Already proven? Uhn nope. You saying so ain't no proof

Wow you are as stupid as you are deluded.

Not an argument.

The onus of proof is on the one making the claim.

Right. You made the claim that there is no historical proof of Jesus. Prove it.

I stated the first historical mention of your beloved Jeebus and I am correct.

Nope. Try harder.

But you can’t because there isn't any.

lol you were blown the fuck out hours ago.

Future man is atheist. Get over it.

Tip harder, moishe.

Never providing and source or backing for your opposition. Just on score you fail.

Not an argument.

Already proven? Uhn nope. You saying so ain’t no proof

Get wrecked. lol.

You are insane. You have become progressively more dissorientated throughout this exchange.

You believe in a fantasy and can't provide any evidence or proof. Try and claim some manufactured high ground and are basically a train wreck at this point

Fine you win. All hail the zombie lord. There you happy?

Lunatic.

Lol Wikipedia.

E hang on. Josephus was what I said you fucking idiot. 100 years or so after the fact. Fuck you are a dolt

You are insane.

Not an argument.

You have become progressively more dissorientated throughout this exchange.

Not factual.

You believe in a fantasy

Citation needed.

and can’t provide any evidence or proof.

Already provided it.

Lunatic.

Not an argument.

Lol Wikipedia.

Genetic fallacy.

Fuck you are a dolt

Not an argument.

No not an argument very astute of you. It is a statement. An observation. What is your fucking point here you mindless fool? .

Is there an end game? Get to it as I am done with you. Feel free to believe in any fantasy you desire.

But let it be known that my original point was the one in your proof of historical Jesus. Josephus Flavius was a jew slave brought back to Rome from Jerusalem by the son of the conquering general almost 100 years after the events. The words of the apostles were not recorded until 2-300 years later.

Ever play the telephone game?

It is all myth. Enjoy.

Aughh thank you for this. I have felt the same for so long... it is so hard to find others who agree. Especially since I figured this out at a young age. I have drifted away from so many people because all their problems just clash with everything I feel and it is frustrating. When I get really down with depression and anxiety I start to doubt it all. You reminded me to hold on.

Yeah. I don't get those conspiracy Christians and Moslems either. You should think those people are rational enough to understand that religions were made to control the people.

Religious belief has set me free, unchained me from life. I feel better now than I ever have.

Isn't it entirely possible to believe we've been lied to, made religion seem "boring" and "fake", that they wanted control over us all.... so they put a grinding halt to the religious freedom. Control can go both ways. I'm free in my religion and life now. Maybe ask why anti religion is pushed so hard upon us all?

Sadly, many theorists believe in many conspiracies that lack evidence. It fits with how they view the world. Evidence isn't needed when you have faith. It won't lead to what's true, but it'll make them 'feel better' about themselves and the world around them which is all that matters to some people.

religion =\= the bible. "bible" could be considered slang for "tradition" Humans of course include a "history buff" archetype for a reason. It really doesnt matter if our history books are wildly inaccurate. If their is any type of verifiable date on a publication, then a quality unbiased historian can still utilize the document. The agenda of the author at the very least can begin to be examined and even this type of data is useful for a historian worth his salt

OP, I dug into this a bit and you are partially right.

Religion = The study of spiritual matters.

The elite used religion to control public by altering much of the text and by disallowing people to continue researching 2000 years ago.

Our spiritual education is at low levels so we don't understand truth at all. Too much manipulation.

This is a strawman argument. Irrelevant they post a quote after. It's much the same as have a good day, take care, be safe etc.

Is it so hard to believe that we are bring destroyed from all angles, even religious? A good "why?" question here.

What you should be thinking about is.... why are so many conspiracy theorists staying religious or becoming religious even after delving in through many rabbit holes of information. What have they found that scared the life in to them?

Food for thought. Always seek more knowledge. God bless

Do you have proof God exists?

I'm not religious and this is a retarded and irrelevant question. That post didn't hypothesize the existence of god. It asked:

why are so many conspiracy theorists staying religious or becoming religious even after delving in through many rabbit holes of information

It would have been valid to ask them to prove that. That would have been useful. But instead, you try to derail the conversation into an unnecessary and exhaustively trodden theological debate we all know the results of.

Go back to /r/atheism

Not subbed to atheism because it's just a circlejerk

He said God bless. Thus, he obviously believes in a God. I asked for proof of that God. This serves one of two purposes: I either get evidence of a God and am immediately converted; or, he understands he believes in something based on 0 evidence.

What does that have to do with his comment? It is off-topic, and childish.

This post is about religion....

It is pretty disingenuous to pretend like you don't know full well this thread had nothing to do with proof of god.

It's a thread about religion and why conspiracy theorists are religious...

You're entitled to your opinion though

Yes. I've witnessed.

What's your point?

Edit: before we go round and round on the "what proof do you have" wheel. I've never proven the world wasn't round, I've got no proof of that either. But we have globes in classrooms and astronauts to tell us about it. Second hand proof. I've never seen many things, atoms under a microscope, $1000 bills stacked up in money bags. Second hand knowledge has shaped our understanding of the world we live in.

It's not hard to believe that we get lied to when MSM can quote other MSM as their sources. "They checked, so it must be proof."

Can you present that proof?

Edit: and which God?

You haven't seen that proof because you haven't looked for it.

I used to be Christian, I used to pray. You know how many got answered? 0

Know how many times I even got a response? 0

My life has been pretty shitty since I was a toddler and the fact that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being would allow that means he's either not omnibenevolent or not omnipotent which means he is not god. Let's not forget the children that have parasites that eat their eyes, struggle to find food for weeks at a time, are exploited by adults and more.

So which God?

My life has been pretty shitty since I was a toddler and the fact that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being would allow that means he's either not omnibenevolent or not omnipotent which means he is not god.

Faulty logic. Either the omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being exists or it does not.

If it does exist, and truly is what it says it is, then you cannot try to apply your human logic to its actions. You would not understand the complexity of its actions or its perfect logic. You would not have any clue about the complete nature of reality in this scenario other than what the being has told you. You would have to take its word that it is correct and that there is more to existence that what it seems in our shitty lives, and that possibly a shitty existence on earth is nothing in the grand scheme that includes an afterlife of eternal bliss.

You cannot use faulty, incomplete human logic to try to determine whether this being exists or does not exist. That's why it is a system of faith.

Hey, those are human words used to define him given in his own book (Christianity, judaism, islam). He used those words to describe himself. Not my fault if he lied about himself. Fuck, even in the Bible he says:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

That's not omnibenevolence.

Let's not forget that in Hebrew, the original language of the old testament, Elohim is the word used for God. Well, what does that word mean? It's the plural form of God, so Gods. This means Christianity and judaism began as polytheistic religions, which isn't surprising given that they were developed in a time when polytheism was rampant.

Only people who believe in Yaweh can know the truth. Everyone is human, even they use faulty logic, but their logic is less faulty than those who have chosen to reject God.

It would be interesting to have you define exactly what faulty logic is. Maybe then people would be able to avoid it.

I used to be a Christian. I really believed in Jesus and God. Logic led me away from that.

Agreed. Fortunately for us, our logic is faulty.

Believers think we're tricked and deceived. By whom, exactly? The evil that God created? Why should any man or woman, all born without sin, be subjected to punishment?

I find thousands of years of suffering as clear evidence of God's carelessness and hatred.

Almost no different than believing in Santa Claus... then you grow up and realize the truth.

Lol getting down voted for asking for proof. I love how there's not much more offensive to religious people than asking for proof of their deity

Because it is retarded to ask for proof. Obviously there is no scientific proof so what's the point? You clearly do not understand that everybody already knows there is no widespread proof. It is called a religious belief or a religious faith for a reason. Not everybody needs everything in life spoon fed to them by a man in a white lab coat, use your brain and make up your own decision.

Well you're incorrect in thinking you need someone to tell you what science is.

Science is a method, not a person. Ask a question. Test it. Unbiasedly interpret the results. Rinse and repeat.

No books, no people, just you and your tools.

Tell me, how are you typing on your computer or phone? Science

How are you sheltered? Science

How do you get to work or school? Science

How do you have clothes on your back? Science

How do you have food to eat every day? Science

Now what has religion given us?

Ooh let me try.

Strife?

Hope. Religion gives us hope.

That's great, but

1. Religion is not the sole source of 'hope'. Hope is just the yearning of something better.

2. Hope can lead to dangerous behavior. Instead of acting in a way that can promote change, many people just 'hope and pray' for it.

Kids with cancer have hope they can live beyond childhood, as do their parents. How many times has hope cured them? How many times has hope helped civilians bombed by drone strikes? Victims of natural disasters?

Hope can often lead to complacency which is detrimental to change.

Also, www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

Check out the Law of One

That's not proof. That's another scripture that still relies on the assumption "There is a God". Without that, the law of one becomes nothing

Without the assumption that we are in fact experiencing a shared objective reality then all of science becomes nothing. Please prove to me we are in fact experiencing a shared objective reality.

Were talking to each other

Check out session 13 in the Law of One

Ok. And? Still runs off the assumption God exists.

How do I know this isn't just another book written by men that fictitious?

Anyways, Extraterrestrials that are billions of years ahead of us define Infinity as Unity ~ everything can't help but be part of this Infinity and ultimately everything can't help but be the One Infinite Creator

You're relying off a lot of unverifiable assumptions here.

https://youtu.be/SGEgM_FeLRY

This guy is really into the Law of One as well (Creation story of Creator/Existence) : https://youtu.be/Tltx0Ipc3UU

Does he provide evidence?

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.

4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]” 7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

12 When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he withdrew to Galilee. 13 Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali— 14 to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah:

15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— 16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.”[f] 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

Praise God, from whom all blessings flow; Praise him, all creatures here below; Praise him above, ye heav'nly host; Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

How many women have you killed because they weren't virgins on their wedding day? Or people stoned for working on sabbath? Or sons stoned for acting out against their parents? Or stoned for wearing two different fabrics?

If the answer is 0, you're not following the bible as you should. Yes, this is all old testament but Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:18 "think not that I have come to abolish the old law, for I have come to fulfill the law."

Your 10 commandments also come from the old testament. Your story of how we got here came from old testament. You can't disregard the parts that you don't like. It's the "immutable" (see: unchanging) word of God.

You raise a good point. It reminds me of Jesus's own words when rebuking the Pharisees.

15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]” 10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

P.S. - I like your handle!

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Fulfill:

carry out (a task, duty, or role) as required, pledged, or expected.

Remind me again how I don't know what it means. Please tell me how fulfill means in any way "do away with"

carry out (a task, duty, or role) as required, pledged, or expected.

Yep, thanks for proving that your initial statement was false! Again!

Please tell me how fulfill means in any way “do away with"

Why would I do that? Your strawmen are bullshit, kid.

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Rule 4.

Thanks for failing to back up your claims. You have no argument.

Nvm, after going thru your post history it's pretty obvious you're an ignorant person that deflects it on others to make yourself feel better. I don't deal with trolls, especially trolls as bad as you. Take care

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Not even under your own definition is that statement true, kiddo.

Not even under your own definition is that statement true

Sure it is.

kiddo.

Not an argument.

Removed. Rule 4. Take a couple of day's break to calm down.

Take care

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Reported for genocide (ridding the world of Jews)

Not even under your own definition is that statement true, kiddo.

Not even under your own definition is that statement true,

Sure it is.

kiddo.

Not an argument

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Not even under your own definition is that statement true, kiddo.

Not even under your own definition is that statement true

Yes it is. Look it up.

kiddo.

Still not an argument.

Take care

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Thanks for failing to back up your claims.

Not an argument

You have no argument.

Yes he does.

You cannot read.

Not an argument

You DID not read the Bible.

Citation needed

You have zero comprehension of what the old and new covenants are.

Not an argument

You think that Christians are jews, when in reality we seek to rid the world of jews

Calls for genocide.

Get a fucking clue and shut up about things you don’t understand,

Emotional outburst

kid.

Not an argument

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you want genocide.

Nope.

Go find someone who will give you a hug, you obviously need it.

Eat shit. You have no argument.

Seek psychological help. I'm serious

Reported for personal attacks

Btw you're ridiculous if you really think Jesus said "think not that I have come to abolish the old law, for I have come to abolish the old law". He literally fucking says "think not that I have come to abolish"

Kid

Okay, you can’t read. Thanks for trying, though!

So what does "think not that I have come to abolish" mean then? Explain to me how it means anything other than don't think I'm here to do away with it. So far all you've done is talk shit and it shows your true age. You parents should probably put a parental lock on your computer, can't have 8 year olds on the scary internet

So what does “think not that I have come to abolish" mean then?

We’re not discussing that. Are you really this fucking bad at reading? Go back and read it again.

shows your true age.

Yeah, 59. What about it, moishe?

You parents should probably put a parental lock on your computer, can’t have 8 year olds on the scary internet

This is the best argument you’ve had thus far.

Take care

Another way to look at it:

Religion is the ultimate conspiracy theory. Think about it- Christianity for example proposes that not only is the world run/owned by some shadow government, but that you have been veiled from reality itself.

It's simply one step deeper than even some conspiracy fans are willing to go.

I don't follow you at all. Just because establishment lies to us, same establishment that killed jesus for his teachings to love and help each other by the way, doesn't mean that everything in the world is a lie.

Organized religion is mostly awful, that doesn't mean that religious teachings are. Besides, the bible told that the church would become awful and anti-christian.

The Bible is their version of the truth.

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Dude, idk about you, i was a borderline athiest 12 months ago. But this year has awakened me. If all of these enlightened people in powerful positions are possibly worshipping and summoning evil entities n shit, you best believe I'm cracking open that bible again. I believe in this shit.

Maybe you misunderstand why they started doing it in the first place.

And just for fun, let's try this line of thinking out:

If an unbeliever comes across a secret group of Jesus worshippers, does that convince him that Jesus is real? And when that same person happens across a secret group of Satan worshippers, will that convince him?

Convince him of what, exactly? That Jesus is real? That Satan is real? That Muhammed was right? What about Hinduism? Or Buddhism? What exactly are you convinced of?

That God exists? If he does, do you find him worthy of worship?

Dude, believe what you want. These are biblical times.

Ok. And? Still runs off the assumption God exists.

How do I know this isn't just another book written by men that fictitious?

How many women have you killed because they weren't virgins on their wedding day? Or people stoned for working on sabbath? Or sons stoned for acting out against their parents? Or stoned for wearing two different fabrics?

If the answer is 0, you're not following the bible as you should. Yes, this is all old testament but Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:18 "think not that I have come to abolish the old law, for I have come to fulfill the law."

Your 10 commandments also come from the old testament. Your story of how we got here came from old testament. You can't disregard the parts that you don't like. It's the "immutable" (see: unchanging) word of God.

No one gives a shit what a LARPing retard on 4chan says.