Re: Wikileaks rumors and your role and responsibility
6 2016-12-30 by CivilianConsumer
The rumor Wikileaks is compromised is seriously damaging to Wikileaks, completely undermines their trust and mission. Also invalidates any new leaks they've released. If you think they're compromised you better be damn sure of it. Because you're cutting of the biggest artery and lifeline we have at exposing corruption. Words and propaganda are powerful make sure they aren't being used against you regarding Wikileaks. This includes all Assange rumors and speculation. Be very careful with the power your words hold.
Edit: Sorry should add this. I DON'T know if they have or haven't been comprised. But I won't state or belief either position unless I have some evidence to back either one up. I won't go around saying Assange is dead and wikileaks is a front unless I know for sure. Because they're still releasing important leaks and have in he past. And as far as I know their accuracy record still stands to today.
Again, I DON'T know one way or the other, and also DON'T go around screaming they're compromised
36 comments
8 FL00P 2016-12-30
People asking questions are the bad guys. Got it.
0 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
It could be compromised, it could not be compromised. I don't know one way or another and neither do you. Asking questions is no problem. Saying their absolutely compromised and stay away is not asking questions, and that's what my problem is. We don't know. Ask question but don't assume you know it's comprised because it just "feels" like it is
4 FL00P 2016-12-30
You weren't talking about people being certain. You're talking about speculation. The people asking questions are doing so because they speculate that it's compromised. Also, you are re-framing the situation (something the new Wikileaks mods have been doing since they were added).
You are lumping together anyone speculating about the situation. Not everyone is assuming, and not everyone is doing so because it "feels like it is". It also "looks" like it is. Getting to the truth won't happen if you lump people together and accuse them of undermining Wikileaks.
The people speculating aren't doing that at all. If someone has infiltrated Wikileaks, then THEY are cutting off a lifeline for exposing corruption.
-1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Look sorry I didn't phrase it well I guess. Just saying speculation is dangerous. Stay objective, reasearch and never trust a source blindly even if they are wikileaks. But believing they're compromised without evidence is the same as saying all leaks since October are disinformation. Believing we don't know one way or the other and researching and following new leaks is the right thing to do
3 FL00P 2016-12-30
Speculating isn't the same as claiming they are compromised. There's evidence they are compromised, but since you don't agree with it: there's no evidence. You're speculating about people's speculation. You are literally spitting out word for word the shit the mods were spewing.
I can't tell you how many times I've read variations of that, and your last sentence basically repeats it. Don't look here, nothing to see here, go look over there. Does that not seem fishy to you? Does that not warrant further speculation?
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
No absolutely ask questions. Take each leak seriously and don't discount them at face value, that's my point
1 FL00P 2016-12-30
But that's not your only point. Repeating that doesn't erase the other things you've said.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
I'm human, I let my bias based on their track record sneak in and only covered the don't believe side. I won't and can't take that back but will admit I wasn't as objective as I thought. Thanks for helping me understand that
5 mrgrippa 2016-12-30
If Wikileaks is comprised this is concern trolling.
His internet is restored why hasn't he published a video?
Why hasn't he produced a file with his encrypted signature?
3 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
I don't know. Not concern trolling none of us know the reason why. None of us can jump to 100% proof they're compromised. Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial.
Faith in your belief with an absence of evidence is basically creating a religion of Wikileaks is compromised disciples.
2 mrgrippa 2016-12-30
LMAO it's like you think a diversion will convince anyone you're not concern trolling.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Huh you talking to me? Anyone doubting the argument that they're comprised is concern trolling? And anyone not doubting they're compromised is righteous and noble? I guess you're two steps ahead of me. Not sure how saying I have no idea am either way is concern trolling. Saying they're compromised without any evidence besides some personal bias is no bueno amigo m. That's my point
2 mrgrippa 2016-12-30
Concern for someone's reputation when they are doing nothing to protect it themselves... nope that's not concern trolling at all
4 HarryParatesties 2016-12-30
Assange could always just pop out on the balcony and end all the speculation couldn't he? How about you go lecture him?
2 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Not lecturing, I'm not defending one way or another just mentioning that speculation can be people thinking they've pulled to wool away from their eyes when they're actually pulling some fresh wool over them. I don't know why Assange won't come out to the balcony and I won't speculate what his reason his. I don't know. I also don't know what that means as far as being compromised.
But sure take not appearing on the balcony when you ask as 100% proof he's being tortured by the CIA.
3 HarryParatesties 2016-12-30
I think he's dead and Kerry played a huge part in it. The deaths surrounding the rest of the wiki crew don't paint a pretty picture either. I don't know if they're compromised but things aren't normal at the embassy.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Good theory, and thinking and knowing are two different things
1 HarryParatesties 2016-12-30
So is denying the right for people to make up their own minds by declaring that they should only view it your way.
2 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
My way is staying in the middle and not leaning one way or the other without evidence. I didn't phrase it right on the post but think i got it across in the comments.
2 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
I don't know his reason for not appearing on the balcony. And neither do you. Doesn't mean they're comprised or not compromised
3 Exec99 2016-12-30
Concern trolling = censorship propaganda
It's Orwellian speak like spam and witches
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Concern trolling is a problem. Saying that people who flat out state that Wikileaks is or is not compromised, when they can't back that up with hard facts , are making dangerous accusations is not concern trolling in my book
2 bbdiamonds 2016-12-30
Is there evidence that wikileaks is not compromised?
2 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Absolutely no evidence either way
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Basically we all should stay objective, not blindly believe every conspiracy or post, investigate new leaks and try to find and stomp on corruption and people out to harm us. if you can't agree with me on this then I got nothing for you here
3 FL00P 2016-12-30
So we shouldn't blindly believe your post and suggestions to focus on leaks. We should stay objective and consider the things you are saying are bullshit.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Sure if you believe they're compromised. If you believe they're not comprised than business as normal for you
To me the fact that historically Wikileaks claims a 100% accurate track record means I can stay objective and take each new leak seriously , not blindly believe it and not immediately discount as disinfo bullshit either. Which is what I try my best to stick to. But you can do what you want.
Preaching that they're compromised or not compromised is dangerous and helps some group or individual out there somewhere with their propoganda campaign.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Also yes 100% doubt me and my point I have no problem with questions. It's the statements that bother me.
1 FL00P 2016-12-30
Preaching that there's nothing to see here and that speculation is dangerous also helps out with someone out there's propaganda campaign. I just outlined it to you, it's from the Wikileaks mods and you are following it to a T. Now why would they all decide to push a specific (don't ask questions, focus on the leaks) agenda? Well you can't ask questions or speculate according to your posts.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
There absolutely is something to see there, and tons of questions but flat out stating that they're without a doubt 100% compromised is dangerous
1 FL00P 2016-12-30
Saying
is dangerous. If they are compromised, then the people that compromised them are the ones cutting off that artery. Not the people trying to get to the bottom of this. Saying the rumors and speuclation are damaging Wikileaks is dangerous. It could be a third party that is damaging Wikileaks, and reddit users are the ones trying to save it. You're accusing people of being damaging, while pretending to be neutral. You're conflating multiple issues into one re-framed narrative.
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
I see your point. And to he honest I'm basing that off their 100% accurate past. Which in itself is biased.
So If I say don't believe for or against either theory, stay objective, look into new and old leak verify all that you can and consider all angles. And please don't assume Wikileaks is or is not compromised. Just try to find facts and corruption
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
Also I stand by the fact saying Wikileaks is comprised does damage Wikileaks credibility, you can't argue that. Saying they're not compromised doesn't hurt their credibility, it hurts our ability to stay objective and ask questions
1 thesarl 2016-12-30
It's real clear. Show us Assange.
You want to help? Schedule a little phone time with streaming video.
Why can't they do this? Easy to do.
Maybe the CIA isn't so good at faking live video?
1 CivilianConsumer 2016-12-30
If Assange is okay, then it's strange he hasn't shown himself. If he's okay, he must have a reason we don't know
1 juanwonone1 2016-12-30
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