So dumb

It's not a real issue. It's a fake conspiracy for people who lack basic math and science skills. Either you're a troll or you refuse to learn anything scientific.

In 1872 Capt. Gibson and crewmates, sailing the ship “Thomas Wood” from China to London, reported seeing the entirety of St. Helena Island on a clear day from 75 miles away. Factoring in their height during measurement on a ball-Earth 25,000 miles in circumference, it was found the island should have been 3,650 feet below their line of sight.

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Thank you brother bot

Science is no match for your 150 year old anecdotes. /s

Anecdotes or mathematical proof?

From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea- level, the island of Gorgona can often be seen 81 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Gorgona should be hidden beyond 3,332 feet of curvature.

Not 150 years ago, today

Refraction. If the earth was flat you would always be able to see the island, not just "some days"

Nice edit

Well I didn't want to misquote you, but the reply box obscured my view of your post.

OK, at this point it's obvious you are trolling and don't actually believe any of this bulshit.

75 miles away, and he measured that how.

Bwahaha you took that "maths" off of a meme, instead of doing any real calculations, but if you had any math skills at all you would easily see that this is completely false. Really, anyone with out any real math skills, but rather an ounce of common sense can quickly determine that this is completely false.

I flew around the world for my honeymoon. SF->Ny->Paris->UAE->Thailand->Japan->Hawaii->SF

Could you please explain how this happened without backtracking? I almost positive I flew around a globe. Please explain otherwise.

Not that i believe flat earth, but to answer your question, you could've flown in a circle or something. It's also probably very possible that you were not paying attention a lot of the time lol

Imagine rolling a ball around on a dinner plate. Goes around and around and around and around.....

But why is the ball round? Am I the plate?

I say a ball on a plate cause it's easy to watch a ball roll, that's all. I guess you could put a GI Joe on a dinner plate and make it go around and around and around too.

My point was you don't need to travel around the outside of a ball to make a complete circle. You could make a complete circle on a 'flat plane' (or plate) just the same.

Not saying I believe the worlds flat.

Couple of questions...

So whats the point of a flat earth cover up? Who could possibly benefit from it and how? What about the countless pieces of evidence supporting the earth being a globe? Many of which can be obesrved with the naked eye.

From my understanding the myth came about from feuding mathematicians. It was used as an insult ie: "you probably think the earth is flat too" I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning to believe such a theory.

No, you don't. I looked into it. It's not worth your time, which is the most precious resource you have.

Meh I'm on reddit, clearly resource management is not my strong point.

Nice speech, but you haven't given me anything of substance. Im open minded and willing to hear any evidence of a flat earth. But no one has presented any yet. You've just skirted the issue. Tell me your logic behind your belief, what piece(s) of evidence convinced you the earth is flat?

It can from the top of the burj kalifa tower in dubai. Or from jet liners, or any number of vids from weather balloons

Red flag right here.
Says a guy wasting time on Reddit.

Finding a way to inform yourself one way or another is a waste of time he says.... ignorance in true form.

I spent many hours looking into it, trying to find a decent argument that isn't easily picked apart. There isn't one. I regret every moment I spent, and I am simply trying to prevent others from having the same regret. There is nothing in flat earth that is the least bit informative, except that it will give you some indication of how credulous people are and how shitty our education system is. Also, wasting people's time is one of the major purposes of the flat earth psyop. I'm trying to prevent that.

But you learned something, and you have found enough out that you can/would be able to carry a discussion.

There's nothing wrong with that! I've spent hours of my time looking at both sides of a fence just to realize I can't figure it out, or other times where I debunked my own way of thinking.

It's all fun until it's not, then we move on to the next thing. Right?

Take care, glad you at least looked. That's showing more gumption than the insta-downvoters who don't say anything or the "lol moron" argument.

Thanks. I appreciate your glass half full perspective. But at the same time I feel like an appropriate analogy here would be if somebody told me that Santa Claus was real. Is that claim worth spending the time to look at the other side of the fence? No. Should I feel good about myself for spending hours considering the arguments for Santa's existence? No. I just feel like a chump. Well it's the same here. Anybody who is credulous enough to buy into Flat Earth deserves all the derision and insta-downvotes they get.

We pick and choose! What we can easily debunk and move on from (Like Santa Claus)

Okay okay, how about an analogy and then we can leave it as it is? I really don't want to come off as preachy or anything, I'm just chatty today and I can tell you're a nice person. :)

Along the same vein of Santa being taught to us as real, when we were children.

Well, we didn't know better, we were told "this is just how it is!" until one day your parents, who you trusted say "Santa was never real". It disrupts reality! Why would they lie to us?! Those adults were supposed to be truthful. How could they hide this from us all these years and we just believed them?

What if adults who don't like us and have nefarious ways/evil inside them want to hide real things from us too. That's entirely plausible! It does happen, we're not that naive. But we can be fed propaganda our whole lives, which makes finding reality very hard some times. (Aliens, Religions, Sea monsters, Alien planets, Ghosts) hey, maybe some of that stuff is bogus but damn, I've seen some really creepy places and some really creepy ghost pictures, no way I'd ever venture near that stuff. Same with aliens, that stuff freaks me out... I'm good, I'll just wait over here til it's done thanks! But is it fake? Probably, hopefully, there's some damning evidence that Aliens are real. I've never seen anything live, so I don't know. I choose to believe they don't, despite the evidence for it.

The adults lied to us then and those were the ones we loved, sure it was all in good fun and for the sake of goodness. But what if we were lied to about bad things, from other adults? There is a globe in every classroom, the world is round! This is the way it is. I've never seen it.

But what if evil really does reside on this Earth, what if that evil was so corrupt it manifested its way to destroy religions and split people apart to give us each less hope. That is troubling to me. The thing that shook me to my soul after hearing it when I was younger was "The greatest lie the devil ever told, was convincing the world he did not exist."

What if? It doesn't take much for me to believe in a higher power, all I need to do is be a better person. I want to bring knowledge and life and happiness everywhere. I want to grab a beer with people overseas and have a blast telling stories. I don't need to go to church and listen to old men who didn't get married, tell me how it should be. A connection with a higher power isn't their choice, it's ours. So the things I've read religiously, I've tracked along in books, teachings, etc... I've seen some stuff. I choose to believe. We are all free to do as we please :)

Hey, have a good day and happy new year! don't let taking a few minutes/hour of your time rifling through videos or texts feel like a waste. There's nothing wrong with knowledge

Thanks. You've made me feel better about myself. Have a good year.

I have been hard on myself over little things, I thought I saw a glimmer of how I was with the way you were talking, so I thought I'd throw my .02 coppers in

Take care!

You won't get a logical answer, I've pressed this issue many times.

NASA stealing your money for fake missions seems to be a common one. Not that this makes any sense whatsoever.

It's just gas-lighting by assholes.

Yeah man sorry but really? Do you believe the moon is ducking real?

Do you? Pretty weird that everyone on earth has only seen ONE side of the moon EVER.

Lol obviously. Happy new year man.

You can see proof from nasa!

I mean.... that's reallly what they're selling us as real.

In the last week of September 2001, there was the NIST report. It was the "official" scientific explanation put out by the government of how the twin towers fell. Millions upon millions of people believed it, swore by it, and believe it to this day.

They will quote it, break it down, and show the "science" behind it.

The problem is the NIST report is total bullshit. It defies every fundamental property of basic physics. But that never stopped millions from believing it.

The flat earth theory is just like the NIST report. It denies fundamental laws of physics. But people buy that load of bullshit every day too.

The flat earth theory was a mind control project to see a) how many people could believe such a thing and b) to be used as a straw man argument against the truth movement. That way, when some researcher points out crimes committed by government, the officials can say " oh you conspiracy theorists and your flat earth."

Yes. They also use it to waste our time.

yep

You mainly won't listen. All the flat earths "proofs" are lies, and easily shown to be lies. Nobody wants you to be silenced, we want you to be educated and intelligent.

Most flat earthers are too ignorant

Not believing in flat earth has nothing to do with the intimidation factor. It has everything to do with the intelligent argument factor.

Either epic troll or just fucking Google GoPro on [rocket, balloon, xyz] and return with your thoughts re amateur footage of curvature of the earth.

How bout we slap you on a rocket and shoot your ass out into the Universe so you can see for yourself. No? K. Shut the fuck up and and play with your crayons.

Serious question. What kind of experiment would be acceptable to prove the shape of the earth, in your view?

The heliocentrists have used a light based experiment conducted by Eratosthenes to prove their model.

The problem is that the experiment assumes that light is straight.

Maybe a remake of the tamarack mine shaft experiment, or a fishing line experiment would be sufficient.

How do flat earthers explain constellations and planets? Anybody who's used a telescope will discover outer space is a real thing, why would all the stars/planets/moons in space be spheres and then the earth be flat?

All they will say is 'hologram'

The sooner you realize you are doing a Great job for tptb the better.

Op, this is a shame. Please use your beautiful mind to assume the earth is in fact a planet, then research accordingly to avoid confirmation bias. If you feel in your heart like it may be flat, then your mind will find evidence to confirm your incorrect feeling. Flat Earth has been disproven many times on this sub, in great length and detail. We won't go round and round just cause it keeps getting posted despite the evidence. But its just nonsense. Space, galaxies, cosmos, just tossed aside.

Earth is a prison PLANET. If you feel lost or like there is a hidden truth, then you are correct.

Okay, here's my question for flat earthers: how do you explain these things we call "days"? Light and darkness comes from the earth rotating

Also please explain the coriolis effect

Genuinely curious, not trying to be an asshole. I would really like to know your guys' theories for these things.

If they can get you to believe that the earth is a globe when it is not, think of what else they can get you to believe.

There's tons of information and proof posted! Use the search here and enjoy a great learning experience.

You're not alone. The truth is coming for all of us. Keep doing your thing and don't let anyone deter you. Would you be mad at a 8 year old throwing a tantrum at you for finally understanding there's no Santa? Nope! Just know it'll be okay, they are in their happy bubble of "well I learned it in school, so it must be true. No one is able to lie to us at a young age, it's impossible and doesn't happen."

Moving forward with what we know, r/new/conspiracy is the fun zone, those of us that pay attention appreciate knowledge and truth, or even just learning what makes for good conspiracy thoughts!

Many of the doubters on here clearly have never looked into FE theory judging from their questions. Please watch [this film]((https://youtu.be/ARp2j8t3O8Q)so at least you understand the position you are calling ridiculous.

I spent many hours looking into it, trying to find a decent argument that isn't easily picked apart. There isn't one. I regret every moment I spent, and I am gobsmacked by how many credulous people appear to buy into it.

Step 1: Charge your phone. Step 2: Get a selfie stick Step 3: Attach phone from step 1 to selfie stick from step 2 Step 4: Go to the edge.
Step 5: Lean over.
Step 6: Take a picture Step 7: Post to the Internet.

No, you don't. I looked into it. It's not worth your time, which is the most precious resource you have.

Meh I'm on reddit, clearly resource management is not my strong point.

You won't get a logical answer, I've pressed this issue many times.

NASA stealing your money for fake missions seems to be a common one. Not that this makes any sense whatsoever.

Refraction. If the earth was flat you would always be able to see the island, not just "some days"

Red flag right here.
Says a guy wasting time on Reddit.

75 miles away, and he measured that how.

It's just gas-lighting by assholes.

But you learned something, and you have found enough out that you can/would be able to carry a discussion.

There's nothing wrong with that! I've spent hours of my time looking at both sides of a fence just to realize I can't figure it out, or other times where I debunked my own way of thinking.

It's all fun until it's not, then we move on to the next thing. Right?

Take care, glad you at least looked. That's showing more gumption than the insta-downvoters who don't say anything or the "lol moron" argument.

We pick and choose! What we can easily debunk and move on from (Like Santa Claus)

Okay okay, how about an analogy and then we can leave it as it is? I really don't want to come off as preachy or anything, I'm just chatty today and I can tell you're a nice person. :)

Along the same vein of Santa being taught to us as real, when we were children.

Well, we didn't know better, we were told "this is just how it is!" until one day your parents, who you trusted say "Santa was never real". It disrupts reality! Why would they lie to us?! Those adults were supposed to be truthful. How could they hide this from us all these years and we just believed them?

What if adults who don't like us and have nefarious ways/evil inside them want to hide real things from us too. That's entirely plausible! It does happen, we're not that naive. But we can be fed propaganda our whole lives, which makes finding reality very hard some times. (Aliens, Religions, Sea monsters, Alien planets, Ghosts) hey, maybe some of that stuff is bogus but damn, I've seen some really creepy places and some really creepy ghost pictures, no way I'd ever venture near that stuff. Same with aliens, that stuff freaks me out... I'm good, I'll just wait over here til it's done thanks! But is it fake? Probably, hopefully, there's some damning evidence that Aliens are real. I've never seen anything live, so I don't know. I choose to believe they don't, despite the evidence for it.

The adults lied to us then and those were the ones we loved, sure it was all in good fun and for the sake of goodness. But what if we were lied to about bad things, from other adults? There is a globe in every classroom, the world is round! This is the way it is. I've never seen it.

But what if evil really does reside on this Earth, what if that evil was so corrupt it manifested its way to destroy religions and split people apart to give us each less hope. That is troubling to me. The thing that shook me to my soul after hearing it when I was younger was "The greatest lie the devil ever told, was convincing the world he did not exist."

What if? It doesn't take much for me to believe in a higher power, all I need to do is be a better person. I want to bring knowledge and life and happiness everywhere. I want to grab a beer with people overseas and have a blast telling stories. I don't need to go to church and listen to old men who didn't get married, tell me how it should be. A connection with a higher power isn't their choice, it's ours. So the things I've read religiously, I've tracked along in books, teachings, etc... I've seen some stuff. I choose to believe. We are all free to do as we please :)

Hey, have a good day and happy new year! don't let taking a few minutes/hour of your time rifling through videos or texts feel like a waste. There's nothing wrong with knowledge